Hosts kick off with banter, then dive into Mercedes design backlash—mocking “fake V eight sounds,” “nuclear reactor tail lights,” and questioning who the buyer is. They argue AI could generate better designs, but the bigger issue is corporate “yes people” locking in bad decisions. The conversation pivots to muscle-truck momentum: Ram reveals, “SRT day” with a new top coupe, and TRX-powered Scat Pack variants. They also discuss Rivian body-work headaches, PDR repair time, and how EV depreciation and used-market algorithms are reshaping car buying.
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"...you guys won't believe this. I started looking at AMG GTs on my search query not too long ago. And earlier ..."
The AMG GT is a sports car made by Mercedes-AMG. It’s designed to be fast and fun to drive, more than a typical luxury car. The podcast brings it up because the speaker was looking at AMG GTs.
The AMG GT is a performance sports car from Mercedes-AMG, built for high-speed driving and a more track-oriented feel than many luxury cars. It’s discussed because it’s a distinct, enthusiast-focused model with strong power and styling. The podcast mention is about someone searching for AMG GTs, suggesting interest in that specific performance category.
"They didn't think this was a poor design, which by the way, it basically looks like what an e-tron maybe has a little tie can in it. It's got a whole lot of Kia forte in the front."
The Audi e-tron is an electric SUV made by Audi. It runs on electricity and is designed as a practical vehicle for everyday driving. The podcast mentions it because its design stands out as an EV.
The Audi e-tron is an all-electric SUV from Audi, known for its EV design and technology-focused approach. It comes up in discussions because people compare how EVs look and how they’re packaged compared to other vehicles. The podcast reference is about the car’s design being noticeable and recognizable as an EV.
"...little tie can in it. It's got a whole lot of Kia forte in the front. Okay."
The Kia Forte is a small sedan made by Kia. It’s meant for everyday driving and is usually positioned as an affordable, practical car. The podcast mentions it because the speaker is comparing front-end styling.
The Kia Forte is a compact sedan designed for practical daily driving with a modern, youthful design. It’s commonly referenced because it’s a mainstream model that many people can afford and see frequently. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as part of a visual description of another car’s front-end design.
"I'm going to have to do some research of how many Kia Hyundai people help it on this car because this looks like a stinger."
Kia and Hyundai are big car brands that make a lot of everyday cars. The host is basically saying the car’s styling looks like it could be from that kind of design style.
Kia and Hyundai are mainstream automakers known for mass-market designs and, in recent years, for styling that can resemble more “sporty” shapes. Here, the host is comparing the car’s look to that design language, implying it doesn’t feel like the brand heritage the speaker expects.
"[1068.9s] Dude, that is definitely a Kia stinger rear end.
[1073.8s] And then the front is a very Kia Forte GT line kind of front end."
The Kia Stinger is Kia’s sporty-looking car. Here, they’re basically saying its styling looks like it belongs to Kia’s lineup and questioning whether it was marketed the right way.
The Kia Stinger is a sporty liftback/sedan-like fastback that Kia built to compete with more performance-focused brands. In this segment, the hosts are discussing how the Kia Stinger’s styling and identity come across—specifically calling out the “rear end” and how it relates to Kia’s other models.
"[1070.9s] Dude, that is definitely a Kia stinger rear end.
[1073.8s] And then the front is a very Kia Forte GT line kind of front end."
The Kia Forte GT is a sportier version of Kia’s small Forte. They’re saying the front of the car looks like it borrowed styling from the Forte GT.
The Kia Forte GT is a performance-oriented trim of Kia’s compact Forte, known for a more aggressive look and sportier positioning than the base model. The hosts compare the front-end styling of the discussed car to the Kia Forte GT’s design cues, implying the design language feels too familiar.
"...how to do that. This is a company that's made the G wagon look good. Even the baby G."
The G-Class is a luxury SUV built to handle rough terrain. It’s known for its very distinctive, boxy shape. The podcast is referencing the idea that this SUV is a well-known, premium off-road style.
The G-Class (often called the G-Wagen) is a rugged luxury SUV known for its boxy design and off-road capability. It’s a standout because it has remained recognizable for decades while still being treated as a premium vehicle. The podcast mention highlights how the company made the G-Class look good, including the “baby G” idea.
"You don't own, what'd you say? You don't own Corvette. You don't own Chevy."
The Corvette is a sports car made by Chevrolet. It’s designed to be fast and fun to drive, and it’s one of the brand’s most well-known cars. People often talk about it with a lot of pride.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a long-running American sports car known for its performance and for being a flagship model from Chevrolet. It often comes up in car conversations because it represents a serious, enthusiast-focused option with a strong performance reputation. The podcast mention is likely about the pride and identity people attach to owning or driving one.
"I would buy, I mean, I'd buy an SL 500 right now."
The Mercedes-Benz SL 500 is a luxury “grand tourer” from Mercedes. It’s meant for comfortable, quick driving over long distances, not just short trips.
The Mercedes-Benz SL 500 is a luxury grand tourer (a fast, comfortable long-distance car) built around a V8 engine and a roadster-style body. In enthusiast circles, the SL line is known for blending comfort with real performance, especially in higher-spec trims like the 500.
The Mercedes-Benz S 63 AMG is the “performance” version of the S-Class. It’s still a luxury car, but it’s built to be much faster than a normal S-Class.
The Mercedes-Benz S 63 AMG is a high-performance version of the S-Class luxury sedan, tuned by AMG. It’s notable because it pairs a comfort-focused flagship body with a powerful V8 and performance-oriented setup.
"We're just talking about when you see it pop up, you go, yeah, I could own that. E 63 wagon, E 55 wagon. I mean, the list goes on."
The BMW 6 Series is a luxury car line from BMW. It’s designed to be comfortable for longer drives while still feeling sporty. The podcast is basically saying it looks like a car they’d want to own.
The BMW 6 Series is a luxury grand touring lineup known for comfort and a more upscale driving experience than BMW’s smaller models. It’s often discussed because it offers a mix of style and performance in a long-distance-friendly package. The podcast mention is about seeing one and thinking it’s something they could own.
"We're just talking about when you see it pop up, you go, yeah, I could own that. E 63 wagon, E 55 wagon. I mean, the list goes on."
The Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG is a faster, performance version of a Mercedes E-Class sedan. It’s made by AMG, Mercedes’ performance division. The podcast mentions it as a car someone might want to own.
The Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG is a performance-oriented version of the E-Class, built by AMG for stronger acceleration and sportier driving dynamics. It’s often mentioned because it represents a classic era of high-performance Mercedes sedans. The podcast reference groups it with other similar cars as examples of desirable vehicles.
The E 55 wagon is a Mercedes wagon that’s been upgraded by AMG for more power. It’s meant to be practical like a wagon, but drive more like a performance car.
The Mercedes-Benz E 55 wagon is the AMG-tuned E-Class estate/wagon, known for using a V8-era AMG powertrain in a more practical body style. It’s a “muscle wagon” concept: everyday usability with performance intent.
This is the Mercedes-Benz E-Class wagon, but in AMG performance form. So you get a family-friendly wagon shape with a much stronger, sportier setup.
The Mercedes-Benz E 63 wagon refers to the performance E-Class estate/wagon variant tuned by AMG. It’s a rare blend of practicality (wagon packaging) with serious power and handling from the AMG performance program.
"All right. Got my flag, this is going to be a clip, Dodge, Ram, Stalantis. All right."
The Dodge Ram is a truck line made by Dodge. It’s built for work like hauling and towing, and it comes in different sizes and setups. The podcast is just referencing the Ram name as part of the truck discussion.
The Dodge Ram (often referred to as the Ram pickup line) is a brand of trucks known for towing and hauling capability. It’s commonly discussed because Ram trucks are a major part of the American truck market and come in many configurations. The podcast mention is brief, but it’s clearly part of a “Dodge/Ram” naming and brand context.
"... still kind of a cabin and a half kind of like my Raptor, but it's got the four doors. So it's not a full ..."
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck made by Ford. It’s available with different cab styles, including versions with four doors. The podcast is comparing how roomy it is to another truck the speaker has.
The Ford F-150 is a full-size pickup truck that’s widely known for its versatility and popularity in the truck market. It’s frequently discussed because it can be configured for work, towing, or daily driving. The podcast mention compares its cabin size to another truck and notes it has four doors.
"That body looks great. Body looks good. The wide body, four doors."
A wide body means the car has wider fenders than normal. That lets it run wider tires, which can help it handle better.
A wide body is a bodywork configuration that adds wider fenders and often wider wheel/tire fitment to improve stance and grip. It’s commonly used on performance cars because the extra tire contact can help with cornering and stability.
"They are all be the 392 rumblebee and then the SRT, which is going to be the, basically the TRX... And then, and it can't overshadow the TRX, right?... Well, maybe this one will, the TRX powered one."
The Ram TRX is a super-fast, super-powerful version of a pickup truck. In this discussion, they’re basically asking whether the new trucks will be as quick as the TRX.
The Ram TRX is a high-performance pickup built around a supercharged V8 and designed to be a true “supertruck,” with performance targets that include very high speeds and hard acceleration. Here, the hosts compare other new street-truck offerings against the TRX’s performance ceiling (like whether it can “crest a hundred”).
"And I think it's a 5.7. I said 5.4, but it might be a 5.7... And, and you want to take some guesses, there's a 5.7."
They’re throwing out a number that likely refers to how fast the truck gets up to speed (like 0–60). The exact meaning isn’t spelled out, but it’s being used as a performance benchmark.
In this context, “5.7” is almost certainly shorthand for a performance time (commonly a 0–60 mph figure) that the hosts are debating between 5.4 and 5.7. They’re using it to judge whether the new street-truck lineup is hitting the right performance targets versus the TRX.
"And then I think 6.4. I would, I mean, it feels like all this stuff is going to be 60 and above."
This is another speed/acceleration number they’re comparing. It’s part of their guessing game about how quick the trucks will be.
“6.4” is being discussed alongside “5.7,” which strongly suggests another performance-time estimate (again, likely a 0–60 mph style benchmark). The hosts are using these numbers to predict how the new trucks will stack up once price and final performance are known.
"You're like, get off my back. What does keep Gran Torino? I thought that was a great movie."
The Ford Torino is an older Ford car model name. It’s known for its classic, muscle-car style. The podcast mentions it because it’s tied to the movie “Gran Torino.”
The Ford Torino is a classic American car name that’s strongly associated with muscle-era styling and performance. It’s often brought up in pop culture and car conversations because the name is recognizable. The podcast mention references “Gran Torino,” connecting the car name to the movie title.
"I thought that was a great movie. Gladiator. Have you seen anything in the last 20 years?"
The Jeep Gladiator is a pickup truck made by Jeep. It’s meant to handle rough roads and off-road trails better than many regular trucks. It’s basically a truck with Jeep-style toughness.
The Jeep Gladiator is a midsize pickup truck that’s built with Jeep’s off-road focus, combining truck utility with SUV-style capability. It’s frequently discussed because it offers a more rugged, trail-oriented alternative to typical pickups. The podcast reference to “Gladiator” ties into that recognizable name and the vehicle’s identity.
"...ff, I'll just get a towed and you'll just see the wind blowing. It's like, I'm still going."
The Renault Wind is a small car made by Renault. It’s known for having an open-air feel, which connects to the “wind” idea. The podcast is making a joke or reference to that name and what it implies.
The Renault Wind is a small, compact car model from Renault that’s known for its distinctive styling and convertible-like concept. It’s often discussed as a unique, niche vehicle rather than a mainstream choice. The podcast reference is about the “wind” and how it feels or sounds, likely tying to its open-air character.
"And there was another one on a guy backing out his 9-11 says before you, or be grateful for what you drive."
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car made by Porsche. It’s known for its classic look and strong performance. People bring it up because it’s one of the most recognizable cars in the sports-car world.
The Porsche 911 is an iconic sports car known for its distinctive design and rear-engine layout. It’s a frequent topic in enthusiast circles because it has a long history and a strong performance culture. The podcast mention uses it as a recognizable example of what someone might drive.
"...ling people. And then you got this dude driving a Model S Plaid acting like an asshole to a guy driving an ..."
The Tesla Model S is an electric car, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gas. It’s built as a high-end sedan and can accelerate very quickly. The podcast references it because it’s a recognizable Tesla model people talk about.
The Tesla Model S is an all-electric luxury sedan known for strong acceleration and advanced technology. It’s often discussed because it represents Tesla’s flagship approach to electric performance and software features. The podcast mention is about someone driving a Model S Plaid and how that situation played out socially.
"Yeah. I mean, I see prowler, I see viper, I see. You just see a more refined ..."
The Plymouth Prowler is a sports car with a very unusual, hot-rod style. It’s designed to look different from typical cars, with a low and wide stance. The podcast is mentioning it as one of the cars people notice.
The Plymouth Prowler is a distinctive retro-styled sports car known for its low, hot-rod look. It’s often discussed because it stands out visually and has a cult following compared with more conventional sports cars. The podcast mention groups it with other performance icons as part of a “what you see” conversation.
"So Dodge, again, going all in on SRT, you know, the, the chargers are going to have a two door and a four door, the Durango."
The Dodge Charger is a classic American muscle car. Here they’re talking about Charger versions in both two-door and four-door forms, aimed at performance buyers.
The Dodge Charger is a long-running American muscle car that’s been offered in both two-door and four-door body styles in modern generations. In this segment, the hosts connect it to Dodge’s SRT performance push, implying Charger variants are being positioned as more performance-focused.
"So Dodge, again, going all in on SRT, you know, the, the chargers are going to have a two door and a four door, the Durango."
SRT is Dodge’s performance badge. It usually means a Charger or Durango is tuned and equipped to be quicker and more aggressive than the regular versions.
SRT is Dodge’s performance sub-brand (Street and Racing Technology) used for higher-output, track-oriented versions of models like the Charger and Durango. When the hosts say Dodge is “going all in on SRT,” they mean more variants are being marketed with that performance identity.
"So Dodge, again, going all in on SRT, you know, the, the chargers are going to have a two door and a four door, the Durango."
The Dodge Durango is a larger SUV with room for more passengers. They’re saying Dodge is applying its performance SRT approach to it too.
The Dodge Durango is Dodge’s three-row SUV that has also been offered in performance-oriented trims. The hosts mention it in the same breath as SRT-focused Chargers, suggesting Dodge is extending its performance branding beyond just sedans/coupes.
"You know what I want to do? [3265.3s] I want to drive this 2027 BMW M3. [3267.8s] How do you pronounce it?"
The BMW M3 is BMW’s high-performance version of the 3 Series. It’s built to feel sharp and fun to drive, not just fast in a straight line. Here they’re talking about the 2027 model, which should bring updates over earlier M3s.
The BMW M3 is BMW’s performance “M” model, known for a driver-focused chassis and a high-output straight-six. In this segment, the hosts are specifically excited about a 2027 version, implying a new generation/refresh and likely updated powertrain and tech compared with prior M3s.
"And I think one of the coolest things about this is that they kind of
[3378.2s] got away from the horsepower talk because it's a manual and just sort of talked about the vehicle"
“Horsepower talk” is when people mainly judge cars by the biggest power number they can advertise. The hosts are saying they’d rather hear about how the car feels and what it’s like to drive, not just raw power. They think the conversation may move away from horsepower-only comparisons.
“Horsepower talk” refers to the common marketing and enthusiast focus on peak power numbers as the main measure of a car’s performance. The hosts argue that this conversation is shifting toward other factors—like weight reduction and how the car drives—especially when a manual is involved. They also predict that people may get tired of only chasing horsepower figures.
"got away from the horsepower talk because it's a manual and just sort of talked about the vehicle
[3383.5s] more where they drop some weight and some things you used to talk about, you know what I mean?"
A manual is a car you shift yourself using a clutch pedal and a gear stick. It usually feels more involved and fun because you control the gears. In this discussion, they’re saying BMW is focusing on the manual driving experience, not just big power numbers.
A manual transmission puts the driver in charge of shifting gears using a clutch pedal and gear lever. Enthusiasts often prefer manuals because they feel more connected and can make the car more engaging to drive. Here, the hosts highlight that BMW is putting the manual front-and-center rather than focusing only on peak horsepower.
"It's the affordable way to slip into the all wheel drive Taycan."
All wheel drive means the car sends power to all wheels. That usually helps it grip better, especially in rain or snow.
All wheel drive (AWD) means power is sent to more than one axle so the car can maintain traction in slippery conditions. On an EV like the Porsche Taycan, AWD can also help with launch grip and stability.
"It's the affordable way to slip into the all wheel drive Taycan. It's still $108,000, by the way."
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. It’s a performance sedan, and the hosts are saying you can sometimes get into one for less money by buying used, even though it’s still expensive.
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s all-electric performance sedan, known for its fast acceleration and high-tech chassis/traction control. In this segment, the hosts are talking about it as an “affordable” entry point via the used market, even though the starting price is still very high.
"I mean, you get another year of depreciation on some of these that are already on the used market"
Depreciation is how much a car’s value drops over time. They’re saying used EV prices may start falling faster as more of them enter the market.
Depreciation is how quickly a vehicle’s value drops after purchase. The hosts argue that as early high-priced EVs become used (especially via lease turn-ins), their resale values could fall faster—meaning depreciation could “escalate.”
"People think now we got all these EVs, as these become lease turn-ins and everything, and that start keeps ramping up"
Lease turn-ins are the cars that get returned when a lease is over. If lots of EV leases end, more used EVs hit the market, which can lower prices.
Lease turn-ins are the cars that come back to the leasing company when a lease ends. When many EV leases end around the same time, it increases supply in the used market, which can push prices down and change depreciation rates.
"... at the market and you don't have things like the Kia Rio or a lot of the Nissan stuff, or even some of the..."
The Kia Rio is a small, affordable car made by Kia. It’s designed to be an easy, practical choice for daily driving. The podcast mentions it as an example of a more common, lower-cost model.
The Kia Rio is a compact, budget-friendly car designed for efficient everyday transportation. It’s often mentioned in the context of what’s available in the mass-market segment. The podcast reference uses the Rio as an example of a common, lower-cost model people may see on the road.
"...ven some of the older Honda stuff, or Toyota like Celica, I know it kind of came back, but like those chea..."
The Toyota Celica is a smaller sports car from Toyota. It was made to look sporty and drive more like a performance car than a regular commuter. The podcast mentions it as an older Toyota model people still remember.
The Toyota Celica is a compact sports coupe that became well known for its sporty styling and driving character. It’s often brought up in discussions about cars that have a cult following or have “come back” in popularity over time. The podcast mention points to the Celica as an example of an older Toyota that people still talk about.
"...'s going to be because this is, we are sort of in uncharted territory because we've never seen this type of p..."
The Subaru Uncharted is being talked about as a new or unfamiliar kind of Subaru. The phrase “uncharted territory” means it’s not something people have seen from the brand before. The podcast is highlighting that novelty.
The Subaru Uncharted is referenced as a concept or model name tied to “uncharted territory,” meaning it represents something new for Subaru. In the podcast context, it’s likely being discussed as a fresh direction or a product that breaks from what people expect. The key point is that it’s treated as a new, unfamiliar chapter for the brand.
"Just leave the LEDs out.
Let's just put the old glass headlights back into cars."
LEDs are a type of light used in modern car headlights. The speakers are basically arguing about whether to keep the newer LED headlights or go back to the older glass-style ones.
LEDs (light-emitting diodes) are modern headlight light sources that typically run cooler and can be packaged in more flexible shapes than older bulb-based designs. The hosts are debating whether to keep the newer LED setup or revert to older-style glass headlights.
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glass headlights
"Let's just put the old glass headlights back into cars.
Look, Dodge, again, this will be a clip because you know, I like Dodge."
“Glass headlights” means the older-style headlight covers made with glass. The hosts prefer that classic look over newer headlight designs.
“Glass headlights” usually refers to older headlamp assemblies that use a glass lens/cover rather than newer plastic (polycarbonate) lenses. The hosts are using it as a styling preference—wanting the classic look instead of the newer LED/modern headlamp treatment.
"But you're like, hey, Ram Charger, I'm for sale.
Or some muscle trucks."
The Ram Charger is an older Dodge SUV that people associate with the classic American “muscle truck” era. Here it’s mentioned as the kind of vehicle you’d buy instead of something extremely expensive like a Bugatti.
The Dodge Ram Charger is a classic full-size SUV from the 1970s, known for its big V8-era styling and “muscle truck” vibe. In this conversation, it’s used as a cheaper, more attainable alternative to a Bugatti-level budget.
"I'll just take a Ram Charger, a hell of Dakota,
base Dakota will work for me."
The Dakota is a Dodge pickup truck. In this discussion, it’s being used as the cheaper option compared to a super expensive car.
The Dodge Dakota is a mid-size pickup truck (especially popular in the 1980s–2000s) that’s often brought up as a budget-friendly alternative to larger, more expensive trucks. In the segment, “Dakota” is used as the practical model that could replace a much pricier purchase.
"How about a fleet?
What if they outfitted your fleet and paid for the fuel?"
A fleet just means a group of vehicles used together by the same company or person. In this segment, they’re talking about having several trucks and having the fuel handled as part of the deal.
In automotive/business contexts, a fleet means multiple vehicles operated under one organization, usually managed for consistent usage and cost control. The hosts are imagining outfitting a fleet of Dakotas and having fuel paid for, turning vehicle ownership into a managed expense.
A gas card is a special card used to pay for fuel. The idea in the conversation is that someone would cover the fuel costs for multiple trucks.
A gas card is a payment card issued for fuel purchases, often tied to a company account or fleet program. Here, it’s discussed as a way to cover operating costs for a fleet of trucks.
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Well, here we are again, Rob, after another week of viral clips that you edited, like
the evil Vince McMahon.
You mean the genius, the world-building genius?
Well, did his career end well?
Depend to you ask.
Getting it kicked out of your, so I want to catch everybody up this first time you're
listening or your longtime listener.
If you haven't really known Rob's playbook, the evil Vince McMahon playbook of this guy,
he purposely edits clips and keeps some context out of the clips.
So I can be the bad guy.
Not true.
So I can be the person that takes all the heat because what I'm waiting for here, Rob,
and to all you awesome listeners, is when is Rob going to be put in the fire?
Because Vince McMahon did a very, very good job of keeping himself out of the fire.
He did.
He did.
Even the big show was just talking about it the other day.
He was on a podcast saying like, I knew he wasn't my friend.
I knew he was my boss and I tried to bring him in sometimes, joke around, have dinner,
have a good time.
But at the end of the day, when he'd look at me and be like, oh, this guy, he doesn't
want to be a part of this.
So that, by the way, that Lexus video, if you remember from like six months ago, that
got like half a million views and I was dragged for reading the article title.
That's all I did.
That's true.
I just read the article title.
Well, here's what I'm going to ask.
As guys, yeah, we're supposed to put our hand up when maybe we've gone a little too
far.
Oh, expand on that.
I'd love to hear.
You make a mistake with your buddy.
You go, Hey man, hand up on me.
My bad.
Okay.
I think you threw me in the fire a little bit this week.
Let's go hand up.
No, no, absolutely not.
Let's go hand out.
No, I would if I had, but I didn't, it called me.
He's like, Hey, crazy video.
Huh?
I was like, Yeah.
And I'm waiting to be like, Hmm, where's this going?
He goes, So, uh, we leave anything out of that?
I was like, Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
I went with the flow of the conversation, just like every other clip.
Um, so the ones you cut off at like 42 seconds where you can add another 18 seconds of context,
that's not, that, that, that isn't editing.
No, listen, you have to go watch.
You have to go listen to the whole episode and here's why.
Nick is just like me sometimes when we're talking about two or three different things.
He'll weave together the afterthoughts and not finish that thought.
So I'm like, I'm stuck.
Look, I'm going to, I'm going to drop it here that I think this a hand up, hand up moment.
You don't think it's a hand up moment.
This is a defining moment in the podcast because I think you played evil.
Make Vince McMahon a little bit.
Wow.
Wow.
I'm going to, I want to make sure that when I, the rest of the videos that come out this
week after this podcast launches, which by the way is Memorial Day Monday, go to hypercleanestore.com
get 15% off with promo code MD15.
That's not Mad Dog.
That's Memorial Day.
I know.
I was going to do Mad Dog 2020.
Nice.
Good call.
Good call.
That a Mountain Dew.
My guy.
Sophisticated.
Mountain Dew Zero Sugar.
My guy.
It's not, it's not bad.
No, it's fantastic.
I was at a, a client's house and they had a little garage fridge and he's like,
hey, you want some of the drink?
I was like, yeah, I'll take that.
Are you a big zero soda kind of guy or no?
I'm not really a big soda person.
I, I look, I like that Mexican Coca Cola.
Oh, it's the best.
The whole sugar stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you might be diabetic for the rest of your life after one, not let alone 12 that
you could drink.
But yeah, I mean, I'm just not a, I'm not a huge soda guy, but I do like, I do like dabbling
in some childhood favorites that are zero sugar.
Absolutely.
That man do is one of the best.
The Dr. Pepper.
And if you like coconut, Dr. Pepper coconut cream zero.
Oh my God.
It's one of the best I've ever tried.
I never had that.
It's so good.
It's limited time.
If you splashed some vodka in there, I'm just saying, maybe, maybe it's really good.
Maybe it's really good.
Blame it on the goose.
Blame it.
Hey, got you.
I'm already feeling loose.
Um, by the way, so we've got plenty of stories to start with.
I like where Nick ended his, his opening monologue on maybe, maybe I'll put the hand
up, but I'm going to go through the clips again and I'm going to even before I post
them and be like, look, dude, you didn't add any more context to this.
So this is what I'm going to do now.
Just saying.
I mean, we do have to get to, for all you car people that are listening to this podcast
for this reason, we got to dive right into AMG GT, right?
We do.
We do.
There's a lot of good stories, but I have to lead with this one because it was, it was
a top two, but Nick mentioned it before we even hit record.
So let's just go ahead.
I'm going to show us still here.
I've got a larger still, but this is basically the one that's making the rounds.
And Nick won't believe, you guys won't believe this.
I started looking at AMG GTs on my search query not too long ago.
And earlier this week, I was sending it back and forth with an old, old front of
mind about how inexpensive.
I don't know if you've seen them.
I mean, you can get them for like 70 grand, right?
17, 18 is really good.
Really, but they are, they do seem to be stabilizing.
Absolutely.
I think we've kind of reached, I wouldn't say like a total floor, but it seems like
they've, they usually would keep falling, right?
Historically.
And I don't think we see that dramatic fall from where they're at today.
For sure.
And that was about Tuesday of this week.
This is Friday, the day we're recording it.
So obviously this was launched really like yesterday or about 48 hours ago.
And I was like, damn, the prices of the old ones are about to go up because this
isn't to quote Nick and atrocity, but I'll let you give me your thoughts.
Well, I think the nuclear reactor tail lights, if you go back to the tail lights,
you know that nuclear reactor sign?
Dude, that's, I didn't even notice that.
That is, uh, I think this kind of, and maybe some of you are already there.
Maybe Rob's already there.
My question with a lot of brands that seems to come up over and over.
And maybe I just haven't, you know, put all my thoughts together is how many
vehicles are being built that you can't name who they're for?
I'm going to go ahead and say, I think a lot of the cars are already kind of like
who are they built for?
Is that where you're, uh, yeah, like, like, what customer, if you had a white
board at Mercedes HQ and they're in a little meeting with people and they're
going, who are we selling this to?
Do you think that list would even, they could even have a list?
Do you think they could even, I mean, does the board just keep, is it just white
at the end of the meeting?
Like who, who is this built for?
Because, and I'll tell people why I came to this.
I have 11 people in my life through my business that are loyal Mercedes owners.
Most of them 10, 15, I have one that's owned an S class, at least an S class, if
not more Mercedes products, but has owned an S class consistently for 35 years,
has had one in his garage.
Okay.
I have a woman who has been a longtime client of mine.
She says that she's at like 27 years of having a sedan from Mercedes in her garage.
Now she has, these people have other stuff, so it's not like they're just
Mercedes, but they are Mercedes people, these 11 people.
The launch happens, I send it to all of them at one by one, obviously not a group
chat, none of these people know each other.
You're a professional.
And I have a thousand laughing emojis, at least 10 each, or you know, not 10, 100
each.
They just copied and pasted a sheet of laughing emoji.
Buddy, if it's not for them, who's it for?
Who's it for?
Now, the thing that kind of makes the design of this car even worse is this
company has built four door cars from a design perspective better than any company
in the world.
Yeah.
Right.
Now you could say Bentley and Rolls Royce, that's not in that price point.
In this price point down, that the best designed four door
big body sedans comes from who?
Mercedes.
I would even say they're better looking.
That's just me than even the higher tier stuff.
A lot of the times.
Sometimes yes.
Yeah.
Sometimes yes.
But let's take them out.
Yeah.
It is hard pressed to find a company that builds a four door car from design
just design.
We're going to talk about engine that looked better historically one after
another than Mercedes-Benz.
And this is what they landed on.
Now, let's go through some more thoughts because I want people to walk through this.
They didn't think this was a poor design, which by the way, it basically looks like
what an e-tron maybe has a little tie can in it.
It's got a whole lot of Kia forte in the front.
Okay.
But by all accounts, if you look at everybody laughing across the internet,
they didn't nail it.
The exact opposite.
Would you agree?
I would agree.
But if you go to Ben's and Bowtie's Instagram, he's like, hey, well, he works there.
I know, know.
So, but from independent people, all I saw were memes, jokes, and here's the sad
part.
I saw people do AI renderings that looked a thousand times better than this.
Yeah.
Right.
And comments.
Hey, I fixed it.
Put the picture there.
You see all that stuff.
The memes, all this.
In what universe did this get all the way through Mercedes headquarters through design,
which by the way, in their design team, they can just click on the design files of
decades of beautiful sedans.
Yeah.
It's at their fingertips.
All the pictures around the office are beautiful sedans that they've done.
You could literally go ahead and they go, we nailed it.
So much so they closed a bridge.
So much so the Harry Blink 182.
So much so they brought out Brad Pitt and two main things here.
The design sucks compared to what you expect from the best four door design
company, probably in history from a sedan perspective, from any type, whether
you call it a coupe sedan, sedan, doesn't matter.
The people that brought you SL 500, this is what they did.
People that brought you the CLK.
So when you look at this, they thought they nailed it.
And yet when I said, tell me who is the buyer here?
None of you thought of anybody and tell me who, who likes the design?
Nobody.
I'll show you a liar.
Who, what are we doing here?
So I'm not even to the fake V eight sounds.
I'm not even to that it's electric.
That is a distant in this world, which is that's what most people get pissed off
about.
This is the situation that we're in.
That's crazy.
It really is.
And maybe it's one of those like you're to a jaded point, not you, but myself
where you see a lot of stuff that like, I don't know who this is for.
And then you just kind of keep, keep going.
Cause the next car you see is like, I don't know who this is for.
And you just keep going.
This one stood out so much because again, I've said it a few times.
It's one of the only companies that I worked for a short period of time inside,
you know, that facility.
And it, it was one of those things where you're like, man, you would just
look and all because a lot of the cars, you couldn't even, you couldn't drive
even if it was around the lot or anyway, just sure you can only look at
them like, God damn, it's incredible.
And then you fast forward 20 years and like, this is where we ended up.
You could have, what I was going to say earlier is you could have taken
all those beautiful pictures you were referencing, put them into a large
language model and it would have given you a better design than this.
It's true.
So let's get to what is on a lot of people's mind because if you guys are
connected to the world at all, all you hear about is AI.
Yeah.
The big topic around AI is you don't want it to take people's jobs.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
If AI can design this better, which everybody can see the pictures of
hundreds, if not thousands of people that used AI intelligently to design
this better, how am I supposed to feel sorry for those people?
Because you guys thought this looked awesome.
You closed a bridge, you brought out Brad Pitt, you brought out Blink
182, you thought you nailed it and you can't really tell me who really wants
to buy it, the customer you're trying to build it for.
And that you can't, and you also can't tell me that in your heritage, this is
going to go down as a great design vehicle.
So what, what boxes did you check off here?
I think this is a big problem too, with just being inside of a vacuum and
having all of these yes people.
Like once it's, once he gets so far down the line and enough people have said
yes, it's really too hard to turn around or say, we're going to change the
trajectory of this release or of this product or whatever.
So you just have to finish it out.
And I think a lot of these people probably are swallowing the, you know, the, I
don't know, atrocity that is this car right now, but they have to go along with
it.
Like they put so many man hours, you know, project meetings and emails and zoom.
So I would ask, I would ask you, do you think there's even one email in the
entire corporate structure that, you know, Mercedes Benz.com is, is there
email at Mercedes Benz.com?
Do you think there's one man or woman that wrote this thing looks like shit
one time in this whole project?
I have to think yes, because that will save my sanity.
Because to think that not one person said anything is unbelievable.
There's no way.
All right.
I would probably put a heavy seven figures that nobody ever saw dog.
You, can you just say that again to yourself?
You're like, that's no way we are supposed to be smarter.
We are an evolved species at this point.
And by the way, the design files of great sedans are in those design computers
that they designed this on.
They could have pulled up anything they want, any S class.
And I get it.
This isn't an S class.
I'm not, but I'm saying when you look at a company that understands the
proportions of a four door sedan, they're at the top of the leaderboard.
And somebody signed off on nuclear reactor taillights.
It looks like an alien.
I just want somebody, lots of somebody's for sure, because you had to go into
the design, the color, the size of dimensions and all that.
And we haven't even railed on the fake V eight sounds.
Yeah, but they were brought in.
I just want everybody to understand I'm not doing some corny EV take here.
It's not what this is.
Is that corny?
Yeah, it's corny.
We all, I mean, we've all stayed at stated that from how long?
I mean, when it go back to what your boys over at Dodge that try to do the
fake sounds, like we've all, we've all beat that dead horse.
But they thought they nailed this so much.
This was a launch launch.
Like this was a big boy launch.
And I still don't know who's on that whiteboard that is clamoring to buy this car.
I'm not saying they're going to sell zero, but.
You need to sell 20,000, 50,000, you know, 70,000.
I have 11 of the biggest Mercedes Benz people I know, not a single one.
And by the way, all in a position to go buy this, the day it hits the lot, not a
single one of them did anything but a laughing emoji.
So I was pulling up as Nick was talking to another video that I had in my notes
of on the bridge where they're doing that.
I wasn't saying they burned all the tires off immediately.
It's got whatever it is.
Ungodly amount of power.
A thousand.
That's a thousand.
Almost, yeah, I think almost 1200 horsepower.
Cool.
It sounds like all of the other EVs.
Dude, honestly, I almost feel bad.
But like you said, if AI could do all these things better, it's hard to feel bad
for them, the people, the everyone who launched this.
But really, it's like that is a really crazy fucking vehicle that we're looking at.
I'm kind of at a loss for words.
It's crazy because of what we said.
I still don't, I just don't know who this is for.
And you can say the same thing.
You know, I have plenty of people in my life that bought the Porsche EV and they'll
defend it till the end of earth, even though you go, dude, come on.
Like you're just in a tax bracket where the money doesn't matter.
You didn't buy this car because you thought this was the best car you could buy.
No, and even then it looks a thousand times better than this.
It does look better than this.
100 percent.
It looks like they just took the worst of Porsche and Audi and said, let's mash
it together and then put some crazy front end on it.
And then, oh, wait a minute, let's let's mess around with the back end.
And you just go, I don't know, man, from a company that I have really respected
in my life about their ability to design things with four doors.
I just, I don't know where that this is.
So out of left field to me in the daytime.
Is there any redeeming qualities of this back end?
I don't see it.
I don't see.
I don't even see what they could have been looking at to go.
This is the logical progression of our heritage.
I'm going to have to do some research of how many Kia Hyundai people help it on
this car because this looks like a stinger.
This looks like a stinger.
Somebody, somebody sent me that text really about, would you just save your
money and buy a used Kia stinger?
Dude, that is definitely a Kia stinger rear end.
And then the front is a very Kia Forte GT line kind of front end.
I, I, I'm not even trying to get on this vehicle.
I'm, I'm asking the simple questions like, who is this for?
We know that most likely this is going to be a poor selling vehicle.
They pulled out all the stops on the launch.
You got to give them credit for that.
Yeah.
They at least did the launch in a, you know, semi unique way.
I, I was kind of dumbfounded and it was really the thing on my phone all week was
people talking about it, people laughing at them.
And, and I get, if you're designing something and taking a chance on something
you don't know how to do as a company, like you just go, Hey, we've never done
this before.
So we're going to do this, this experimental launch of this vehicle.
You guys kill it on four door products.
It's almost like they should have not made a big production out of it.
They should have just let it release it under the radar.
They should have had one of those.
We just pulled the thing off the cover off.
The one time we'll say that was probably, probably a better idea.
That would have been better.
Pull the veil.
And you even, you showed me before the podcast, I put you on that guy's account.
We got to give him a shout out.
Yeah.
Let me pull it up real quick.
He, he, he's been, he's like my favorite account to follow.
Cause all he does is just bust people's balls, which is hilarious.
Angela's death highway at is the Instagram.
Yeah.
So, so your boy has like the guy standing in front of the car with all these
flames around all the pyrotechnics dude.
It's fantastic.
Wow.
Shout out whoever's behind that account.
We like to give shout outs to good stuff that you're doing a fantastic job.
Yeah, please.
If you follow that and you're in the discord, by the way, clutch.club.
If you want to join the discord, uh, let us know your thoughts in there of the
car.
I'm waiting for the first person other than Ben's bow tie or anybody that
works for Mercedes to really give an explanation of why they think it's a good
looking car or just a good design at all.
I haven't seen it yet.
I'm not, I'm not sure anybody's going to do that.
I think they're just going to blame it on EV design.
Well, you know, it's an EV and this is what you got to do and you got to design
them a certain way.
I just think that's going to be the, the shill company line is like, Hey,
this is EV.
You got to realize this is not our, our, our S class and this is not this and
it's not that and you got to understand it looks bad.
So really any of the excuses doesn't matter.
This isn't, you are the company.
Historically capable of building a great four door car and I don't care what
the badge is on it.
I don't care if it's an S class.
I don't, I mean, at times they've made the C class look great.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Like they know how to do that.
This is a company that's made the G wagon look good.
Even the baby G.
Yeah.
If you look at it, it is a completely square box and somehow you go, I like it.
You know what I mean?
Like they know how to design stuff.
And this goes back to the Jaguar conversation we've all laughed about.
Yep.
The one thing you guys knew how to do was design a car until you didn't.
You know, they could have really used AI too, to be honest.
Yeah, 100% really helped them out.
Um, I'm going to pull up just real quick before we move on to other stories
because I can talk about this particular one off 100%.
This is, this is the greatest story of the week.
Uh, you know, a little slightly older one that's, that's good.
That's good.
That's, that's like a real gentleman's car.
It's that Jaguar Austin, good body lines, great body lines.
Right.
The grill hasn't gotten out of control.
They got some, they got some nice, you know, uh, straight lines with curved lines.
You know, they got a nice mix.
Uh, you look at the back end, the tail lights are sleek.
The roof line is sleek.
The bumper is sleek because you're going down in a rounded way.
You don't round the car off and then put this like busy stuff.
You actually let the car end.
This is just, they do this fantastically until they don't.
And that's where they're at right now.
And then obviously you can always move on over to, uh, the, the coop,
which is so, so sweet.
Or yeah, or yeah, this, I just love this car so much.
I've never read this up on the podcast.
This is one of my favorite cars.
Yeah, I love it.
It's a great car.
And look at the body lines.
Look at, look at the integration of the tail lights.
Look at how well done this.
Look at the front grill.
Look at that light placement as they work.
Look at, again, if you look at the bottom of the front grill, you know, you
have drops, straight lines, curves that make sense.
This company knows how to design cars until they don't.
And that seems to be the MO of every car company right now, whatever they're
good at, they're good at until just out of the blue, you go, where did this come from?
That makes you then go into the conspiratorial mode, at least me and be like,
all right, if you had great people that did this and designed this at one point,
where are they?
Cause I don't think they're in your building and who did you replace them with?
And why?
Well, this would be the conversation of a lot of men and women getting to
retirement age and as the, as the next generation, were they brought up properly
by the older generation and most people that are in big corporate environments
will say the sort of boomer generation left a lot of people behind.
That will be the excuse.
A lot of, you know, 40 year olds and 35 year olds will say, I'm not here to
say whether they're right or wrong, but that is the thing we're seeing.
How in the world does this stuff happen in a heritage legacy car brand that is
known for knowing how to design cars?
When you see something fall this far off of a ledge, do you think to yourself,
I should maybe really go back and get one of the older models of something?
I mean, look, man, if I'm getting something, I'll buy anything if it's
the right price.
So I need to get that out of the way.
Cause people, people don't really seem to understand that, that I'm always
going to look through the business lens.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's all these people that, that talked about me having a C four, like
that was my dream car.
I said, bud, I bought it to flip it.
Take a deep breath.
You don't own, what'd you say?
You don't own Corvette.
You don't own Chevy.
You don't own Chevy.
Relax.
Okay.
I never said C four was great.
I said, I was one of the few people back in the day that made money on C four.
I can tell you that because that, that was a loser on the money side.
Okay.
But there are a lot of Mercedes I could buy.
And it's one of the few brands that I think a lot of us that are
enthusiasts, you go, there's a lot of older stuff from them.
I would buy, I mean, I'd buy an SL 500 right now.
I mean, I see those are popping up on my feet all the time.
Somebody, you know, put the stance right, put time and I'm going, yeah, I
could own one of those.
I could, you know what I mean?
Like from that brand, from a looks perspective, when you see it pop up on
your feed, they have a lot of vehicles.
You just showed two of them out of the blue.
You showed two of them.
You could, you could show how many big bodies today.
I mean, S 63 AMG.
How, I mean, how quickly would you buy that?
Okay.
If it was the right price now repair costs, we're not talking about that.
We're just talking about when you see it pop up, you go, yeah, I could own that.
E 63 wagon, E 55 wagon.
I mean, the list goes on.
And by the way, most of these, not all of them are four door.
Most cars will be four door in the future.
I think we're all looking at four doors for the most part.
Right.
So I think, yeah, man, there's a lot I could own from Mercedes.
And I know not everybody feels that way, but from a design perspective, I could
own a lot of Mercedes products.
Well, we're going to take a hard left here, hard left turn on the race track and
start talking about, I mean, we might as well call it SRT day.
All right.
Got my flag, this is going to be a clip, Dodge, Ram, Stalantis.
All right.
Your boy's been representing since 2008.
All right.
You were one of the first accounts that clutch culture channels followed.
Why?
Because I loved what Dodge, Stalantis, Ram were all saying about two years ago.
The talk was good.
I didn't, I didn't green light that follow.
Uh, he did not.
That's why your boy who takes charge took charge.
I liked what they were saying.
I'm like, okay, like Nick says, a lot of talking Nissan, a lot of talking X, Y,
Z, what are you, what are we going to see a year and a half later, rolling out a
bunch of cool stuff, actually doing demos and showing you things that are coming
in market that the people want to buy engines, designs, whatever.
So I'm going to pull up the, we're not going to listen to it because it's a
full video, but Nick hadn't seen it yet.
And I'm just going to pull up the actual launch of basically, I have the audio
plan, let me pause it so we don't get booted on YouTube.
Um, this is just awesome.
And I give your thoughts as tense.
You're talking about that the sound of America, right?
We got the Ram.
And last week we talked about the single cap truck.
I really thought that the tease was going to be a single cap truck.
Oh, no, no, no, not at all.
We're looking at Tim, Tim, can this is talking about obviously the history of
dodge and as I fast forward here, we're going to see everything that they're launching.
Wow, this is a lot.
Oh, there you go.
Is that a, is that a, oh, did they try to do a little step side there?
It's a, it's a wide body.
It's four doors, but it's still kind of a cabin and a half kind of like my
Raptor, but it's got the four doors.
So it's not a full crew cab.
It's kind of like a quad cab, cab and a half with four doors.
Love that style.
Makes it look really cool.
How about we cover up the body lines with an obnoxious sticker?
That's smart.
It's part of the branding.
Okay.
I'll got you a brand of your brand.
There's three, let's make it look worse.
There's three variants to the muscle trucks.
The 5.4 hammy in the, and I think I'll tell you what, I like how that looks.
Oh dude, you just wait to see them all in a row.
So this one's the 5.4 liter.
Cool, cool, cool hood, cool hood design.
Very cool hood design.
First of all, I'm not sure Tim would be driving this truck if it wasn't given to
him.
Good old Tony Stewart.
Funny story about Tony Stewart here in a second too.
Heard him on a podcast earlier this week talking about how NASCAR's been
neutered and.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he went deep.
He went deep and then he alluded to it.
Hey, you saw the NASCAR news last night, you know?
I know.
Boss Vegas native.
Really?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, RIP, Mr. Bush.
That's wild man, just got sick and how was everybody?
He was just won a race like a week ago.
I think he was testing like that day.
Oh wow.
I'm going to fast forward, see if we can get all the, yeah, there we go.
Let's get a shot of all of them.
They had to do a yellow one.
Of course, that one's the Rumblebee.
That's cool, man.
I like them.
So TRX powered, the first ever Scat Pack powered.
So the 6.4 will be in this one and the 5.4 will be in that one.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it looks good.
They look really good.
I wonder, I mean, let's not even get into it.
So it's called the Rumblebee.
So they're all going to have different variants, but yeah, basically.
Yeah, one's going to be the Apache.
There's going to be the Rumblebee and then there's a third one.
But it's either they're all Rumblebees and then they have like a different
engine kind of name to go along with it, like the Apache.
Or, or yeah, I don't know.
I didn't get the full scope of the names, but dude, I think they look sweet.
That body looks great.
Body looks good.
The wide body, four doors.
So yeah, your thoughts on that because, you know, he did an announcement to you
like at the track after all this was shot, how, hey, we're going to get a bunch
of keyboard warriors, you know, saying, where's the single cab?
Where's the manual?
It's like, look, and he gave his explanation, like one percent of people
to buy those things.
Like I rather take the bet on the other 99% that are more likely to buy this
because it's useful.
You can tow, but I have a question.
Didn't they drop that they were going to do a street truck?
I mean, didn't we just have that on the podcast?
Yeah, this is the street trucks that they're the mall.
So they, they lured everybody in saying, we're going to have a street truck.
And then they clarified with this video that their idea of street truck is
still not a two door street truck.
Yeah.
That's kind of sneaky.
Very sneaky.
That's kind of sneaky.
You got, you got to give him credit.
He kind of lured everybody in, but that's kind of sneaky.
They do look great, man.
Yeah, they do look great.
And I think everybody, we weren't the only ones that's saying it, anybody
with a brain, as soon as he got back in the helm, this was all coming.
This was, it really hasn't taken very long.
I mean, this has been, this is to me, this is his baby.
This Ram brand and the SRT brand as well.
Yeah.
This is, this is kind of his, his brainchild and has been, you know, I know
he got, you know, exited the building for a little bit and things went sideways.
But since he's come back, I mean, I think it's interesting that they basically
played on the street truck people and then said, but we're just going to do
street truck like this.
I think that was an interesting play because I, I, I was genuinely surprised.
They were even talking street truck a week ago.
So they are all rumblebees.
They are all be the 392 rumblebee and then the SRT, which is going to be the,
basically the TRX.
And I think it's a 5.7.
I said 5.4, but it might be a 5.7.
I mean, either way, dude, they're checking all the right boxes.
They look fantastic.
Some of the people, they haven't checked all the right boxes.
Well, we don't know the price and we don't know the performance quite yet.
So the biggest box with the check mark is, what are you paying for all this?
Yeah.
Right.
And, and you want to take some guesses, there's a 5.7.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 5.7.
That's what it was.
And then I think 6.4.
I would, I mean, it feels like all this stuff is going to be 60 and above.
And then, and it can't overshadow the TRX, right?
So, you know, it's not going to at least crest a hundred.
Well, maybe this one will, the TRX powered one.
I mean, if you bought the yellow stripes of the ones we're looking at on the screen,
I mean, come on, come on.
Listen, listen, the funny thing I saw was that this is for sure going to be in fast 10
and Toretto is going to either say family or do.
Is there another one coming out?
Yeah, of course.
The previous one left you on a cliffhanger.
We're John Cena and Toretto.
We're in like this battle.
How dare you not watch them?
How dare you not watch them?
That should be homework for this podcast.
I mean, here's what I think you don't realize.
I would turn them on and then I'd be like.
Yeah, exactly.
I knew it.
Look, and that's that's nothing towards fast and furious.
It's tough for me to do a movie.
Just in general?
Yeah, in general.
What does keep your attention movie wise?
Godfather, stuff like that, you know, mob movies.
Boomer over here.
Hey, whatever.
One of the all time great.
Goodfellas, Casino.
Get off my back.
That was a funny line too in that clip.
You're like, get off my back.
What does keep Gran Torino?
I thought that was a great movie.
Gladiator.
Have you seen anything in the last 20 years?
Not really.
Okay, fair.
That's fair.
Look, I'm going to see I go hand up.
Okay.
Hand up movies are a blind spot for me.
I'm with you.
Same.
Same, same, same.
Same.
Do you see how easy it is to go hand up?
Oh my God.
The evil Vince McMahon has never taken responsibility
from the WWF to the WWE.
That's why the rise of the WCW and Eric Bischoff happened.
When are you going to put the hand up?
And then what happened?
He just scooped them all up and said,
you work for me now.
You shut your mouth, Eric Bischoff.
All right.
And then he got thrown out.
Literally thrown off and thrown out of the building.
Yeah.
Just right as they were going to join forces
with a bunch of other successful companies.
What?
Yeah, no, I, I, all you died, all you Ram guys,
those trucks look great.
Now, as, as I am a Ram guy,
you are OG Ram guy, right?
So to finish my spiel to dodge,
because again, I'll make this into a clip as well.
You know, go ahead and just, I want one of each.
I know Nick wants one of each.
You can use the first fleet.
So send them over.
We'll give you some really good feedback.
We'll keep the entertainment coming towards your brand.
Lot of smiling.
Lot of smiling.
We'll have videos and smiling.
And I've never had a,
we won't even show the dash flickering.
No, no, no, no.
And all the electrical problems you guys still have,
we won't show any of that.
Tim figured that out.
That's not happening in these new models.
I'll even IRL it.
So I will just, I will point of view,
livestream myself just driving this truck all the time.
And we know Rob can put anything into whatever context he wants.
So even if the, even if the truck shuts off,
I'll just get a towed and you'll just see the wind blowing.
It's like, I'm still going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know what happened.
People talking about electrical problems.
We don't have electrical problems.
Ah, it's just, they look so cool.
I don't know what it is.
Like the truck you have even, which is a, what is it?
Like 01?
03.
03, that those years, they just looked very American.
They looked very, you know, time correct.
And they still kind of stand the test of time.
A lot of their modern stuff still looks good too.
Like it just makes you say, that looks cool.
And a lot of people will say in our comments,
which by the way, I got like,
we haven't said hard over the weekend a long time,
but what I started to do was just see comments that people post
and I go to their profile and a screenshot their avatar.
And then I'll put them together in the layout app.
And I'm going to, I was going to text them to you earlier,
but I forgot.
It's crazy because Nick gets a lot of this,
this kind of guff on, on the comments.
And people get so bent out of shape, dude.
I mean, they get,
if you don't, if you don't like something that they like,
it's like the end of the world.
Or, or it's just to know it all together.
And you've said this, I actually, here's one of them.
This guy was doing, so Rivians are notorious for
how hard they are to do body work on, right?
Oh yeah.
So if you want to replace a bedside, for instance,
I don't know how this always happens to people in Rivians,
but their bedsides are always getting smashed by something.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a real, it's a real problem.
And 30 to 40, very, very common 30 to 40 plus thousand dollars
to get the thing in place because of how big it is.
It's one big piece.
PDR guys that are going out there trying to do their best
to make, you know, these things right.
This guy put 28 hours, showed a whole video,
obviously in a 60 second clip of the entire montage
of bringing this truck back to life.
It was 28 hours worth of work.
And he's, the guy's literally in different clothes
different times a day, but he gets it to look in brand new.
The first comment, that's definitely not 28 hours of work.
Right? I'm just like, so I screen shot at it
and I put it together and this is the guy,
and I'll just show the phone.
This guy and his, that little hat there.
What would he know?
What would he know?
If you're watching on YouTube, you know who I'm showing.
And it's just, it's mind blowing.
And there was another one on a guy backing out
his 9-11 says before you,
or be grateful for what you drive.
Some people have to plug theirs in before bed.
Funny joke.
That's your line. Good line.
And he's got a 9-11 and an M3 like yours
in the background, right?
You probably can't say it.
There you go.
Good for you, buddy.
First comment.
My ex-plad would drag both of those junk boxes
and then I'll switch cars and drag you in my ex-plad
just to let you know how it goes.
I'm like, what are we, who talks like this?
What are we doing?
I'm flabbergasted at the way people talk online.
Especially about cars.
When you remove repercussions, people talk crazy.
What did, what did Mike Tyson say?
Everybody's tough till they get punched in the face.
It's just so dumb.
One of the, I mean, you and I know, you know,
both follow Gordon Ryan.
People say crazy things to that dude.
That dude would maul you.
He'll break all your limbs.
Maul you, I mean, you, I don't know if we've ever,
I don't know if I was talking about, I don't think it was you.
Okay.
This is how crazy people have gotten.
Did you ever see the, the traffic incident with John Jones,
where that guy started talking crazy to him
when he got out of his truck?
I don't think I did.
But this guy's talking crazy.
Doesn't realize it's John Jones.
Wow.
This is a guy that's the killer amongst killers.
He just got out, started talking crazy for, for,
and John Jones is like, yo.
You don't want to, you don't want to.
This is a guy that has killer dogs at his crib
when he's a killer.
That's true.
Think about that.
Like this dude is unhinged killer.
Like people talk about this all the time.
If you've never been in a room with John Jones,
I've been lucky enough to, to be in the vicinity.
It's very clear.
If this dude pops a lid, it's a wrap for the whole crew.
Find the exit, nearest exit.
Here's the thing.
Brendan Schaub talked about this.
Yeah.
Where the dude barely stretched, came in,
boat raced all the top heavyweights in the gym and pieced out.
Yeah.
Very common story with that.
Hey, you remove repercussions.
People talk crazy, man.
They just talk crazy.
And you know what's put even crazier?
Some of these people, and I've met them in real life too,
they are completely oblivious to the repercussions.
They don't really don't care about the repercussions.
They just really want a diarrhea of the mouth,
like whatever they want to say.
Yeah, for sure.
And they will accept the repercussions, honestly.
The weird part is you and I have a life around and in combat sports.
Those men and women talk zero trash on the internet.
I can guarantee you that.
Those men and women aren't in people's comment sections.
Those men and women hardly talk trash at the gym where they're mauling people.
And then you got this dude driving a Model S Plaid acting like an asshole
to a guy driving an awesome 911.
I'll drag both your junk boxes.
It's like, how about I just drag you out of your car?
How about we do that?
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, by the way, your boy over here, because I know some people,
I got to straighten some things out.
I haven't said.
Okay.
I made some peptides and gear jokes when you made some references of like,
hey, man, been looking through the guys.
I'm not on peptides or gear.
Oh, I did say you look younger than you even did two years ago.
Yeah, I just made the joke because I have people asking me like,
what's your stack?
That's funny.
I'm not against those things.
Not at all.
Been around those things.
I got friends on them.
I'm not against them.
I've had all my tests done.
Your boy, as you could probably tell how I talk,
testosterone through the roof.
He's like, I don't need anything.
You know, so all the jokes of my friends on tea, I go, real men don't need tea.
God built me different.
You know, the funny jokes that you make.
Of course.
I don't need sleep and I don't need tea.
Yeah.
But I'm going to say this out loud.
Your boy could make light heavyweight with probably like a three hour sauna session.
Let's go.
How many, damn, how long you've been spending in the sauna?
No, no, I'm saying for all those familiar with weight cuts,
three hours, I'm at like heavyweight now.
Okay.
I mean, light heavyweight where I could easily carry 240 on my frame, get to 205.
I got to tell you, get you thinking, Rob.
Get you thinking.
Maybe I got time.
I got enough time and I'd like one more.
By the way, that's a joke.
That's a joke, everybody.
Okay, it's a joke.
I ended that clip with the peptides, right?
It's just like a funny thing to end on.
People are like, what the fuck?
Is that what I was expecting it to end on?
But I got to clear that up, guys.
Go get your blood tests.
Go have somebody do it.
I've done all that.
I'm exactly where I need to be, but no, I'm not pumping gear.
Nice.
Very good.
Very nice.
If you do follow up for the people that do,
they read a true tide like phase three clinical trials that people were waiting on.
I think just started to show results.
Pretty crazy stuff.
Obviously, all this stuff is for like diabetics and people with huge problems,
but muscle has been on this stuff for already months, I think, if not a year more.
But they're getting all this stuff from China,
which most of the stuff comes from there anyway.
And they're whatever the compounding process is doing it themselves.
I mean, that's all you if you want to do that.
But now that the trials are done, showing some crazy benefits for removing visceral fat
and increasing muscle mass.
But I think we all know we could probably do that still
as long as you were pretty healthy in your 30s and 40s without the jabs.
You could also just mix in a salad.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I mean, some salad, some sauna.
Maybe get some push-ups in, get some weights in.
The formula's been there, Rob.
I know.
I mean, we've had the formula for generations.
And you know what we've done?
We've followed the formula, saw results, threw it out the window, lost the results,
did the formula again, and saw the cycle goes.
Look, this is this is me saying, do whatever you think is right for you.
Yeah.
That's the kind of guy that I am.
It's like people, I'm telling you, man, the TRT talk and the peptides talk,
it's so toxic.
And like you said, if you're around any gym people,
they don't think anything of it.
And they've been doing this shit for 40 years.
Yeah.
You know, like it, you know, the people were tracking down veterinarians to buy wind straw.
I mean, you know, this this this shit ain't new.
Like it's just not new.
But I think there's cool stuff.
But just for everybody that asked me, I know most of you are probably listening.
Oh, no, I'm not I'm not hammering gear or anything.
But when he does, he'll let us know for sure.
Oh yeah, when I do, you'll see my traps.
I'll be like Goldberg.
Hell yeah.
That's a dude.
That's the first thing.
If I pumped gear, my neck would be like yesterday morning.
I first thing I saw when I woke up, like I made some coffee and I just opened my phone.
And I saw the clip where Brock Lesnar runs in the Goldberg for the first time in the ring,
like Goldberg comes back, right?
And I'm like, Goldberg was huge huge.
I don't know if they made Brock like not get pumped up and not take anything before
he was going to be in the ring because he made Brock look small.
And I know I've you've been next to Brock.
Not next to him, but I've been pretty close to him.
I've been close to Alistair, which is even bigger.
Yeah, Alistar.
Alistar is big back in the Uber days.
Yeah.
Well, Alistar on gear was was a different thing.
Sort of like, you know, VTOR and all these guys that were.
Gear VTOR was a bad man.
Well, before we even get to more car talk, did you watch the fights?
Did you watch the Netflix one?
Did you watch any of them?
I think that's a disgrace.
I mean, come on.
Come on.
How was that?
How was that bet on when so clearly it was?
I mean, that was an actual literal lay down.
Yeah, she did.
The double leg wasn't even like a blast double.
It was like, I'm going to just kind of like correct your bum.
I've said it on here before.
It's nothing, you know, towards anybody.
Women's MMA is just not my thing.
It's just not, it's not what I enjoy watching.
It's just, I've seen some great fights.
Don't get me wrong.
I know what people say, but I saw it and I just go, yeah, this seems about right.
What about Mike Perry and Diaz?
Boy, your boy Mike Perry is a bad man, isn't he?
He's made out of just concrete and wood.
And he just throws hands.
Just throws them.
It's so funny.
Like in the post fight, he's like, I want to get him back, you know,
come back in here, whatever, motherfucker, you know, I'm going to get you again,
but he's still just being cool.
It's done, it's done, bud.
It's been done for a while.
You got, you got mauled, mauled.
And then Francis was talking his smack, trying to get John Jones riled up.
Yeah.
I mean, Francis knows how to get John Jones.
Go back to the UFC and sign a contract.
I don't think Dan is going to ever allow it.
That ship has sailed.
And then last thing before we move on to more cars,
Conor McGregor making his return against Max Holloway.
The champ champ, dude.
The guy.
I don't care what people think about his lifestyle.
That guy is below this guy.
Yeah.
It's, he's, he was the all time microphone champ and then backed it up for a while.
And has not been backing it up for a while.
But what a fun thing that he's back.
I mean, that, that'll be fight week here.
Oh, well, I'm pretty sure it's that fight week.
So fight week's usually in Vegas.
It may not be this year, but usually in Vegas, if it's a Vegas fight, I'll be there.
Nice.
That's a, that card, I was reading through it.
That really seems like the 250 card kind of level,
but the 250 card stacking up to be pretty good.
But that one is like, that's a really good card.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
All right.
Back to card news real quick.
So did you see, well, since you didn't see the muscle trucks, you probably didn't see that
the SRT lineup will be getting a new coupe at the top of its lineup.
No.
Yeah.
We haven't gotten full rendering.
By the way, did you like cut a deal with these people?
I'm trying to.
Why do you think I'm fucking waving this flag around?
I'm about to wear this thing like a cape.
I'll wear this thing is like, yeah, boy, let's go.
I'll walk around.
I walk around Austin and Houston.
100%.
No, really, I will.
It wouldn't be actually that abnormal.
The first comment I saw, one of the first comments I saw was,
Houston's about to be wild with the muscle trucks.
Yeah, you're right.
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
No, so way back in the day, so car and driver, I guess apparently got some kind of a scoop
that they couldn't quite show, but they did show this rendering for a concept back in the 90s
called the copperhead.
Yeah.
I mean, I see prowler, I see viper, I see.
You just see a more refined viper.
Yeah.
Basically, like not such a raw.
Right.
You know, viper.
That looks pretty cool.
So what are they saying?
They're going to maybe revitalize this?
Yeah, that's going to be, yeah, they're going to be had two door coupe.
It's going to be, you know, part of the SRT brand, probably a V8.
And even though they saw some stuff, they really couldn't say much more in the article,
but they gave a nod to the copperhead.
My question is, do they give the viper name back?
Do they bring it back alive?
They have to, right?
Like, why would you, I mean, that's such a staple in their entire brand historically.
It looks pretty good.
Yeah.
Copperhead's cool and all, but.
Yeah.
But you go down to that viper.
Yeah.
Come on.
That's awesome.
That's incredible.
Yeah.
No, they, they won't sell very many of them, but we are all four of them bringing back
stuff that will heavily depreciate and we can maybe pick up on the used market in a few years.
Yeah, for sure.
So Dodge, again, going all in on SRT, you know, the, the chargers are going to have a
two door and a four door, the Durango.
You know, we, we just, we just talked about at the beginning of the podcast, Mercedes and,
and sort of, you know, going awry with this design chargers.
Dodge is just, they're just playing the hits.
Yeah.
I mean, they're the radio DJ just hit after hit here.
They're just like, we're going back to the old school 2000s.
Yeah, exactly.
They're, they're the ones playing Drake and so glad that Drake came back with a new album.
They're like, thank God, the king is back.
They gave it one of these.
We're not even listening to the new Drake albums.
We're just going to pump old Drake.
Yeah.
Tell me what's really going on.
Yeah, dude.
You have to give them, you have to give them credit.
They're like, hey, this ship was going down.
Let's just play the hits.
Of course.
That's what you're supposed to do.
Hey, nobody's dancing in the club.
Just play the old school dance.
Exactly.
Get them on the floor.
Get two chains going.
Get whatever, get back that ass up.
Get juvenile going.
Whatever you got to do.
Because you know what?
Funny enough, that's who's going to buy this stuff.
That's who, if anybody has disposable income, it's going to be the people that have a reverence
for the stuff that hit 20 years ago, 25 years ago, especially in the club.
Kids, kids, quote unquote, younger people, they're not drinking as much.
Which I think it was Zach Topper, one of these country artists,
like a popular one that was like, that's lame.
He goes, there's people that are saying I'm completely sober.
Like that's lame.
Like what do you have a beer like a normal person?
Because nobody said you had to have 30 beers tonight.
Exactly.
Just have a couple beers.
Go dance a little bit.
Go find yourself a night.
Somebody at the club and whatnot.
Yeah, man.
It's a different time.
And we obviously being in Vegas, we have one of the biggest liquor
distributors in the world here.
Buddy, they're clipping union members in that warehouse for robots and AI as fast as they
can because people are drinking.
Dude, it's wild.
Guys just showed up, 50 union workers showed up.
They're like, yeah, the robot's got it.
You can go home.
It was like a big, a big thing in town.
Really?
That's crazy.
Oh yeah.
That's the real, like liquor sales and beer sales falling is like, it is a real, real thing.
Yeah, I have two friends that work in that industry.
I'm all, I'm all for, you want to drink, you don't want to drink.
It's kind of like I say, you want to run gear, run gear.
So everybody knows my take.
Do whatever you want.
I don't care.
Yeah.
But also you don't have to proselytize to people that you went sober because whatever,
whatever, which I get it.
But then again, if you're called to do it, whatever that means, fine.
But there's just something about being so damn annoying about some of this stuff.
I think that's the perfect word.
It's like people that show you their morning routine.
Right.
It's like, but just wake up.
Okay, it's not.
Grab your brush and put a little makeup.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like, we're good.
So I've never really, I never really liked the talk about booze and weed and drugs because
it's just this blanket thing of, they act like there's not people, especially with booze,
that can go to a barbecue and have two or three beers.
Yeah.
They just act like those people don't exist when that's like the majority of people.
100% dude, that is the majority of people.
That's like, I mean, they're not at their buddy's barbecue 45 years old going,
dude, let's do a keg stand.
Like they're just having two or three beers, grabbing a dog, grabbing a burger,
jumping into pool, having some fun.
Now I got some buddies of mine.
They're going to hit it hard.
I have had times in my life where I lose control of the night.
I just let it get away from me.
Hand up.
Once again, I'm trying to show you what it looks like.
That's the next year.
I've done some things I shouldn't have done.
I let it get out of control.
But yeah, I kind of like what you're saying is like this whole thing about sober.
The vast majority of people that are talking about getting sober never really had the problem
because if you know alcoholics, they don't talk like you.
Exactly.
Even when they get sober, they talk way different than you're talking.
So you gave up three or four beers at a cookout and want to talk about sober?
No, you just stopped drinking.
That's so funny.
That's all you did is that's where I come when you say annoying, it's like,
I know people that have had true drug and alcohol problems,
but I can look at what you're saying and know that wasn't you.
Yeah.
And I know those people listen to the show that have probably gone down that road and
they're just like, they're like, no, I'm good.
I don't really drink anymore.
I'm like, oh, that's cool, man.
And they leave it at that.
They don't like try to talk about sober living.
And you know, why do people drink?
Look, man, I drank way more 10, 15, 20 years ago than I drink now.
It doesn't mean I'm like getting off booze.
Yeah, same.
It's like, it's just a natural evolution.
You go, I got a lot of shit to do tomorrow.
Also, you look back, you're like, how did I make it to 36?
And that's what I was doing 15 years ago or even 10 years ago.
Yeah.
So it's just an unbalance.
And I think this is a lot of things now we can see in the car world.
And people's comments like the Porsche guy, you know, my, my plaid would toast you.
You know, I would, I would drag you.
It's like, where's the balance, man?
Your, your, your, your plaid is not in the same conversation as an analog 9-11 or even any 9-11.
So funny.
You know what I mean?
So we, we just lost a balance and all this.
Yeah, I don't think balance exists anymore, to be honest with you.
It's got to be, and balance is way more fun.
It's supposed to get the crack on everything.
Yeah, it's supposed to be.
But then you seem like, oh, you, when I say this, do sometimes you, uh,
you fence rider or whatever, like pick a side kind of thing, which sometimes that's justified.
But a lot of times you really don't need to be getting that bent out of shape.
Yeah.
Which is why it's so hard sometimes to make content because, you know,
what do you want?
Do you don't want to do the vloggy shit?
I'm, this is like you and I talking Nick's not going to get up and vlog.
He's not going to get up and point the fucking phone at the mirror while he's like
shaving in the morning.
Yeah.
What does it get ready with me?
Yeah, get ready with me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's, you're not gonna.
I woke up and I journaled for 30 minutes and I read this book.
And then I put my face in water.
It's like, bud, you would have had to, you would have had to be an up at midnight.
And to sleep at 6pm.
Yeah.
You'd have got up at midnight to get to work at 8am with all this shit.
You just try to tell me you did.
Come on, man.
It's just, there's just, we have to get back on cars, on life, on booze.
The vast majority of us know how to handle all this stuff.
Yeah.
Oh, I was going to say earlier too, I was never a big into pot or anything like that.
But I did like like the missions that people were on to like try to figure out how it could
help people with whatever kind of like veterans or whatever the medicinal purposes for it.
So one of my good friends actually made the biggest pot doc in the world.
He was on Rogan in the early days.
And I, I, I mean, I'm older than you and you keep saying pot.
It's weed, right?
I mean, that's like, that's like the vernacular.
Yeah.
But like pot doc goes well together when you describe, when you say a weed documentary,
it's like, it's kind of like gross, but like, no, this was the biggest.
I just want you to, everyone to know out there who was talking like a boomer.
I'm sorry.
This is coming from, now the aristocrats trying to turn the tables on me.
I don't appreciate this.
I don't appreciate it.
Hey, aristocrats take responsibility.
We're hand up crowd.
That's, that's what we've proven on today's podcast.
No, you don't.
You push somebody else into the fire.
We're a hand up crowd.
I put my hand up multiple times.
I know you have not.
Well, when even Vince McMahon has not.
When it's warranted, I will do that.
Until then, I'll push someone else into the flames.
Yeah, exactly.
Anyway, so I hosted like the Houston premiere for his second follow up to that.
And I was there with a bunch of people that just like, wake and bake.
Like that's what they want to do.
And I'm like, I don't get this man, but if that's your life,
like if you can find some sort of a purpose through that, go for it.
You know?
Yeah, I'm good.
Like I'm just, it's just not a concern of mine, of what other people are doing.
Yeah.
Like it's just not my, hey man, that's what you want to do.
I don't care.
You know what I want to do?
I want to drive this 2027 BMW M3.
How do you pronounce it?
Hand shelter breaks rules by giving a CS manual.
So the CS, did you see the new?
It's going to have a manager.
Yeah, I got some text.
Pull it up.
Let's go.
I know you still don't.
And I don't either really kind of like, but this looks, this package looks better.
That looks a lot better.
Yeah, it looks, they've,
this kind of proves, and I'm just going off of the people that texted me,
you know, I'm going off of my life.
This, this stuff still existing inside of BMW.
I just think is more important than probably BMW thinks.
So we just got to kind of be okay that they're still doing it.
Because I don't know when this is all going to get cut off.
Because this generation is dying, right?
What is it?
G80?
Yeah, I, I, I think it's really cool that they're still doing this.
I really do.
As I look at that picture, I mean, that's really good.
Looks really good.
From that angle, it looks really good.
Yeah.
I love the hood being, you know, kind of like a bulbous-y kind of hood.
Gives a rest.
And I'll say this, I've kind of always liked the wheel.
I mean, I like, I like how the wheels look on the design.
Oh yeah.
These bird-desk looking wheels love them.
Yeah, yeah.
It's, it's, it's a good look.
I'm glad you're doing it, man.
Like this is, we can bust balls all we want.
I'm just glad they're still doing stuff like this.
There was a guy that swapped a Civic, funny we were talking about SIs last week.
I think it was an SI, like a 99, 2000, something like that with a B58 BMW motor.
Thing was insane.
Yeah.
I know people don't want to hear this.
They're anti-BMW.
The B58 motor is, it's proven itself.
Yeah.
Anything that has it in it.
It's proven itself as pretty reliable, pretty easy to deal with.
Takes a lot of power.
I mean, it's, it's a great platform.
And I think one of the coolest things about this is that they kind of
got away from the horsepower talk because it's a manual and just sort of talked about the vehicle
more where they drop some weight and some things you used to talk about, you know what I mean?
Like they got away on this and I'm not saying that they're all, BMW is all horsepower all the
time, but at the front of this, they made sure to make the manual, the front and center and even
acknowledge like, Hey, this may have a little less horsepower.
This may have a little less this, but we did this.
I just think that's what guys like us want to see from brands like BMW.
Yeah.
And I think the horsepower talk is going to become more and more of a topic where people
will kind of like over it, if that makes sense.
You'll always have the people that are like, no, it's never enough.
And then you're going to have the, again, back to the balanced perspective where it's like,
look, yo, 400, 500, like good spot might even be too much for most people.
You start talking about everything has 777 horsepower or 1000 horsepower.
Again, what are we doing?
It also just kind of gets washed away, right?
The more you hear 650, 750, 1200 horsepower, it just becomes part of the way everyone talks.
So it loses its meaning.
Yeah.
And it becomes a novelty.
You really, it's hard to make something special that combines all those things on a regular basis.
I agree.
That's a well said.
You got to take one or the other.
Do you think we're there now?
I do 100%.
Yeah.
Cause everything from here is kind of like chasing EV territories and you're not going
to make something special that looks amazing, handles incredibly well, fun to ride in and
fun to drive with over 1000 horsepower is like, let's pick and choose a couple.
It's like the old adage of like, you can have something like fast, cheap and quick, right?
Or fast, cheap and good, good, but you can't.
Yeah.
You can have two or three.
You can only have two of the things.
Yeah.
You can have, you can have what?
Yeah.
There is some saying.
Yeah.
It's like good and fast, but it's not going to be cheap because I think we're going to get,
we're going to get this wrong.
We're going to, we're already fucked up.
Yeah, but that, that is, there is a balance here.
I think as much as we can talk about the abomination at the beginning of the show,
these are the kinds of things that if people don't go out and buy and celebrate,
like they all say they are going to do if somebody builds a car like this,
these cars have no chance to hang on.
Not at all.
Right.
I mean, that's, that's the whole problem is a lot of people talk big online.
I want a manual.
I want this.
I want that.
Well, here it is.
If you go buy them in big numbers, they'll keep, they'll keep building them.
But if the numbers dwindle, then they have every excuse to kill it.
And that's what I think is, is kind of the sad part of where we're at.
Well, since we talked about this earlier, there's a, and this was released last year,
the Taycan four, right?
It's going to be like a cheaper or the base version of the Taycan where it's, I think,
what is it?
It's not like the four S.
It's the affordable way to slip into the all wheel drive Taycan.
It's still $108,000, by the way.
When these drop to like 30, 40 and just like a year or two,
it's kind of crazy that you're going to pay $110,000 for it.
But they're, they're on the used market and people are going to get pissed off.
How do you actually say it?
I say Taycan.
That's what I, that's how I figure it out.
That's what I say.
Yeah.
But I know somebody on the comments will go, that's not how you say it.
But the, the thing about the used on the market that we see now,
they are at really interesting price points.
I mean, you get another year of depreciation on some of these that are already on the used market
or headed to the used market.
You go, oh buddy, this is, this is now getting to where you would, you would think about it.
I mean, and it's already there for a lot of people now, but I mean, there's,
these used, we are at the very beginning of the flood of used EVs on the market.
People think now we got all these EVs, as these become lease turn-ins and everything,
and that start keeps ramping up and they're on, you're going to have a flood of these.
I think you're going to see depreciation escalate in a big way as these keep,
not just this brand, I'm saying across the board as these EVs,
these are going to be like old big body sedans that were like $120,000 and the next year they
were 60. Like it's going to, you know, it's just going to be, and then after that,
they're down to 20 and you look around and go, what the hell happened here?
This feels like we're, we're not only already kind of there.
I think it's actually going to get more dramatic.
I agree with you.
And I've been thinking about this for a while because when you,
when you look at the market and you don't have things like the Kia Rio or a lot of the Nissan
stuff, or even some of the older Honda stuff, or Toyota like Celica, I know it kind of came back,
but like those cheap commuter cars, I think the future is going to be cheap EVs that are down to
$5,000, $10,000. No question. So you'll have them.
And there's, there's going to be a whole, and it's already kind of developed,
but you're going to have a lot more EV only used dealers that figure out this market through
algorithms and AI, where everything's at, what they can buy it at, what if they have to replace
this is all going to get figured out.
And I do have a connection to somebody who made a lot of money early on selling used
Teslas at his dealer.
Mr. George, the JNS, no, it's kidding.
No, this was, this guy ended up selling his boutique dealership, but he found a,
he really understood the market.
I mean, he did all the algorithm and, you know, he's just that kind of brain.
And he's like, and he, from very early on in Tesla, he found real pockets.
A few people made a ton of money in that world.
I think in Arizona, maybe in Mexico, that's all he did.
There you go.
Is that who you're talking about?
No, no. One of the guys I know is in Arizona.
Gotcha. And he's also maybe not the same guy, but he's really good about doing the content
of the dealership lifestyle of selling the cars, getting people to drive them and stuff.
He's just really good guys.
It's going to be, whether you are interested in buying one, it's going to be because this is,
we are sort of in uncharted territory because we've never seen this type of platform before.
Right. Like we know, Hey, is this engine platform good or bad?
Right.
From this company and this particular.
And so it's going to appreciate Lester.
It's going to treat, to appreciate more if it has bigger bills coming with EVs.
We're in the infancy of massive amounts of them being on the used market and what that means for them.
And we've seen depreciation curves.
We've never seen before on these cost of cars where they just lose 50% overnight.
And I think there's a real argument.
These could be the first cars that actually their floor is zero.
Yeah. And then in the future, like not too far future, people are going to be like,
wow, there's so many EVs on the market.
How did so many people end up getting into them?
Well, dude, they bought them for like $1,000, not $80,000.
So we haven't talked about this in a while.
Lease deals are back.
Indeed.
You can get a base Tacoma for nothing.
Yeah.
You can get, I mean, base Tacomas on a lease.
I'm saying on a lease.
You're in what, 350 to 380?
There's a ton of stuff.
349, 399, even some dip into the 250s.
That is all signs of and if all the repossessions would have been done properly and be done properly now,
you guys would see a crash in the used car market, which is
now it's apparent to me that these massive loan holders are doing a controlled burn
of the used repossession.
Absolutely. Because I've read some people are hanging out of their cars,
but not even from their own doing.
Meaning they haven't paid for their shit and they're still not getting a repossession.
There's some people that actually want them repoed.
Right.
They're like, I moved.
I don't have the space.
I've been like trying to hand the keys.
Yeah. And they're not taking it.
They're not taking it, but I don't want to like take it to the junkyard.
Because then they consume me like I want the repossession done.
Like right now they are re-negotiating loans where people owe $40, $50, $60,000 and they're
renegotiating down to $25,000.
This is a controlled burn instead of doing historically what all of these loan holders
would have done, which is go repo the car.
They are trying to keep the prices elevated.
Now, I don't want people to think there's like one guy in a back room controlling all this.
Some of these banks and loan holders have so many loans
that they would affect their own business if they went out and repoed all this stuff.
And it seems like, again, make believe or like it's territorial,
but some of the information is out there.
The amount of people that should have already had their cars taken from them
and the reports have not lost your audio.
Oh, sorry about that.
Rookie mistake.
Hey, hand up, hand up.
3.1 to 3.5 million cars need to be repoed right now.
3.0.
Damn.
That's the delinquent.
That's the amount of repos.
That's, that is the best estimate of in a traditional sense,
you could repo somewhere between, let's even take it down and say 2.8 to 3.5.
But I've seen numbers that from accurate people, you know, that they're in the
data business or like, yeah, 3.1 million, 3.5 million.
The wild part too is that they're just like hanging on,
obviously to the monthly note they should be making, hopefully maybe.
And then when they get repoed.
Well, this kind of happened in real estate.
Yes.
I mean, of course, people weren't there in 2008,
nine and 10, there's people that just lived in their house for two years,
never paid a, never paid a dollar.
Yeah, the original squatters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I mean, hey, you're gonna, you're gonna foreclose on my house anyway.
Why would I pay you any more money?
Let's just go ahead and negotiate my out.
But it would take, they wouldn't negotiate it for two years
because they didn't want to dump more inventory onto the market.
That's exactly what's happening here.
I got one more car story before I ask you something that's completely un-car related.
And it's still in the same conversation of Ram Stalantis brand.
There's this image of, and we talked about the Dakota,
I think even the Ram Charger a couple of weeks back, maybe a month ago.
So they haven't unveiled it obviously, but here's the Dakota, the Ram Charger for sure.
So these are the things that are gonna be revealed pretty soon.
Any high hopes or thoughts on either one of those?
Yeah.
I mean, obviously we know that the Dakota is going to be bigger than what most of you
want for some type of truck like that.
It's all going to be about price with Dakota.
I mean, if they really beat the price down, I think it'll be interesting.
They try to push conixes to say below 30, sub 30.
For that size?
From the size we saw, right?
Which if it is that big, it would be insane.
I'm interested to see this Ram Charger.
Yeah, me too.
Dude, if I had, I want some square lights on that thing.
That'd be sweet.
Oh hell yeah.
Just leave the LEDs out.
Let's just put the old glass headlights back into cars.
Look, Dodge, again, this will be a clip because you know, I like Dodge.
I'll sell the Raptor.
I'll sell the Raptor and pick up one of your products if you can make it worth my while.
I'm just saying.
Well, it seems like you're sponsored by them.
So I'm not sure what we're doing.
I think Nick is the one that said, we are for sale.
If we were for sale and all we need were some Dodge Ram products.
Well, the people I said that were cutting checks,
they got a lot going on over the Middle East.
Well, so we got to settle for something, right?
You need to flee.
I was looking for that Saudi money.
You're over here talking about getting a Ram Charger.
For now, right?
In year two, when they're cleared up, they can come back, we can chat, right?
Nick was shilling for Bugatti money.
You're right.
But you're like, hey, Ram Charger, I'm for sale.
Or some muscle trucks.
I'll take a rumble deal, like I said, right?
Imagine them.
I was asking, I thought we were worth a Bugatti and you're out there like,
I'll just take a Ram Charger, a hell of Dakota,
base Dakota will work for me.
How about a fleet?
What if they outfitted your fleet and paid for the fuel?
All Dakotas on Dodge.
We're talking.
With the fuel.
We're talking about the fuel.
Is that gas card?
100%.
Yeah, it's all on Tim.
It's all on Timmy.
Yeah, and it just says his name on the bottom of the card.
Tim, can I just guess what the credit card number?
Yeah, it means you're owned by Tim now.
You're owned by Tim.
Hey, Tim, can you make sure that this taps?
I like the tapping cards.
Dude, when you go to a place that doesn't have the tap outside.
Oh, it's miserable.
I got to go inside.
I got to touch a door handle that I don't want to touch.
Oh, wait.
I'm not the aristocrat.
Sorry.
Sorry, sorry.
Hand up.
Yikes.
That's I'm to blame.
I hate touching fucking handles on restroom door.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
And I'm not like some Howie Mandel kind of weirdo.
I was going to say Howie Mandel, the Mexican Howie Mandel.
Yeah.
God, I'm going to hear that somewhere down the street.
Hey, howie, howie Mandel, right?
Soy el Howie.
Yeah.
But those germs at gas stations are, dude,
I walked into a gas station the other day
and it's one of those ones where it's like,
it's a stall and then one urinal.
It's a small fucking thing.
What do you have to pee at the gas station for?
Listen, it is what it is.
All right.
Ah, you just got caught up.
The door should have been locked because it was,
even though there's a stall and a urinal,
it should have been locked.
I walk in this dude, older long hair,
pants down to his knees, taking a leak at the urinal.
I'm like, hey.
OK.
That's a lot.
What are we doing?
That's a lot.
Well, I just showed around.
Old guy at the health club.
That's, hey.
So what I did, got back in my truck
and I went to the nearest Chick-fil-A
and used the restroom there.
Why?
Because they're always clean.
Because they're always clean.
And their food always is average.
Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
You're right.
Yeah.
People love it.
Can I get some seasoning?
I don't know.
Same with raisin canes.
Can you guys sprinkle some salt on the chicken tenders?
Well, the cane sauce is amazing.
See, that's funny.
You realize it's like a 50-50 thing.
I think people love cane sauce.
Or no, no.
I thought you were talking about Chick-fil-A sauce.
I don't like Chick-fil-A sauce that much.
It's OK.
Yeah, it's not bad.
But cane sauce is fantastic.
I don't like it that much.
People love that stuff.
Cane sauce, yeah.
It's good.
Cane sauce is good.
I say that we have the big one you buy at UB,
the Chick-fil-A sauce that's in the fridge.
I'm like, why do we have this big ass tub of Chick-fil-A sauce?
Yeah, I don't like it that much.
I like their other sauces, though.
Chick-fil-A has a lot of good sauces.
I just don't like the Chick-fil-A sauce that much.
But I like the other sauces.
I like the other sauces.
I just said, I like the other sauces.
Hands up, that was too far.
That's too far.
I went too far.
All right, look, it's Memorial Day weekend.
We have landed the plane.
Go to hypercleanstore.com to get 15% off.
You can get the complete detail kit, 15% off.
That'll probably never happen again
if we're being quite honest, right?
Join the Discord, clutch.club.
Join our email newsletter, which, again,
we don't bombard you with anything.
We haven't sent you anything at all,
other than an invite to the Discord.
Damn, what was I going to ask you?
It was going to be something about...
I think somebody asked me something about your car
because we joked about it being for sale.
But somebody actually asked me, would he really sell it?
So I'm just going to ask you again,
so they know that I did ask you.
I would absolutely sell it.
So reach out to him.
Reach out to Nick.
Every vehicle I own will be sold the day I get the offer I want.
It doesn't matter what it is.
I am not connected.
I'm ready to go.
I'll take that money and go buy another one.
So yes, everything I own is for sale.
Make him an offer and he can't refuse.
Make him an offer and he can't refuse.
Yeah, I mean, I can't believe you made a Godfather crack
like I was, I don't know.
I mean, I just can't.
Oh, really?
Oh, that's...
Okay, that's too much.
All right, you know what, everybody?
Enjoy your Memorial Day.
I should see Fast and Furious,
but you made a joke about Godfather.
I mean, I don't know.
Taste, taste.
Your...
The shirt is coming soon, by the way.
You're these mods are an assault on my eyes.
I got to figure out how to make it.
I keep getting that question, by the way.
I appreciate you guys asking for it.
I got to get it made,
and then obviously Nick got our approval
and we got to both be on the same page.
But enjoy your Memorial Day Monday.
We'll see you soon.
See you guys.
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