Brennan Green from Pickles joins the hosts to debunk the myth that DC fast charging harms EV battery health. Recent data reveals that the difference in battery health between vehicles with varying levels of DC charging is negligible, providing reassurance for potential EV buyers. The discussion also touches on the growing confidence in the used EV market, driven by battery health certificates, which are boosting second-hand EV values. The episode highlights the importance of understanding battery health metrics and the evolving landscape of electric vehicle ownership.
Brendon Green from Pickles joins us again to look at their latest Battery Health data. Turns out, fears DC charging might be problematic for battery health may be over-rated.
We look at how the market is looking for second hand cars and what's driving it.
Plus, your feedback, and our look at the ATTO 2 from BYD!All thanks to NRMA Insurance and Uniden Dashcams
"...about battery health battery testing and a range of different things Steven and another report is is on its way..."
Battery health is about how good a battery is at storing and using energy. In electric cars, it shows how long the battery will last and how well it will work.
Battery health refers to the condition and performance capability of a battery, particularly in electric vehicles (EVs). It indicates how well the battery can hold a charge and deliver power over time.
"...you guys are selling multiple cars every single day you're getting through a lot of EVs these days..."
EVs stand for electric vehicles, which are cars that run on electricity instead of fuel like gas. They are better for the environment because they don't produce exhaust fumes.
EVs, or electric vehicles, are cars that are powered entirely by electricity instead of gasoline or diesel. They use electric motors and batteries to operate, offering a more environmentally friendly alternative to traditional vehicles.
"...you've got a bit of a sense of how DC charging fast charging may or may not be affecting the health of batteries..."
DC charging is a way to quickly charge electric cars by sending power directly to the battery. It's faster than regular charging methods.
DC charging, or direct current charging, is a method of charging electric vehicles that allows for faster charging times compared to standard AC charging. It delivers power directly to the battery, bypassing the vehicle's onboard charger.
"...that DC charging or too much of it can can really accelerate battery degradation which hasn't been great the myth is completely false..."
Battery degradation means that over time, a battery can hold less charge and work less effectively. This can happen for various reasons, including how often and how you charge it.
Battery degradation refers to the decline in a battery's capacity and performance over time, often caused by factors such as charging habits, temperature, and the number of charge cycles. Understanding this is crucial for electric vehicle longevity.
"...rely upon the third party DC chargers out there um to you know to move when they're moving into the into a electric vehicle so this is significant because..."
DC chargers are special charging stations for electric cars that can charge the battery much faster than regular chargers. They're great for when you need to quickly recharge your car on a long drive.
DC chargers, or direct current chargers, are a type of electric vehicle charger that provides a high-speed charging option, allowing EVs to charge much faster than standard AC chargers. This is particularly useful for long trips where quick recharging is necessary.
"...on average that all the cars we've tested have had a 36 percent DC charge rate and they're still showing battery health at about 96 percent state of health..."
DC charge rate is how fast an electric car's battery can be charged. It tells you how quickly you can get back on the road after plugging in your car.
DC charge rate refers to the speed at which a battery can be charged using direct current (DC). This is important for electric vehicles (EVs) as it affects how quickly they can recharge at charging stations.
"...it's sitting in the battery management system and we..."
A battery management system is like a computer for the battery that keeps track of how it's doing and makes sure it works safely. It helps the battery last longer and perform better.
A battery management system (BMS) is an electronic system that manages a rechargeable battery by monitoring its state, calculating its data, and controlling its environment. It ensures the battery operates safely and efficiently.
"...buyers are now bidding we've got more bidders on used EV since we launched our battery health state health certificates..."
A used EV is an electric car that someone else has owned before. More people are buying these cars now because they can be cheaper than new ones.
A used EV is an electric vehicle that has had one or more previous owners. The market for used EVs is growing as more consumers seek affordable electric options and as battery technology improves.
"...we saw we had a three-year-old Polestar with 230,000 kilometers and they had a battery score of 89%. Now ordinarily you would not want to touch that car..."
Polestar is a brand of electric cars that comes from Volvo. It's important to know how well the battery is doing, especially for used electric cars, to make sure you're getting a good deal.
Polestar is a performance electric vehicle brand that originated from Volvo, focusing on high-performance electric cars. The mention of a three-year-old Polestar highlights the growing market for used electric vehicles and their unique considerations, such as battery health.
"...those cars are being targeted by battery recyclers and repurposes to pull those out and utilize them on a house application or something like that..."
Battery recycling is when old batteries are processed to recover materials that can be used again. This is important for reducing waste and can help create batteries for things like storing energy in homes.
Battery recycling refers to the process of recovering valuable materials from used batteries, particularly those from electric vehicles (EVs). This process helps reduce waste and allows for the reuse of components in new applications, such as home energy storage systems.
"...they recover batteries from cars and put them in houses like a house battery storage battery? Application yeah correct..."
Home battery storage is a system that lets you save electricity in your house for later use. This can help you use energy when you need it, like during a power outage.
Home battery storage refers to systems installed in residential settings that store energy for later use. These systems can be charged from the grid or renewable sources, allowing homeowners to use stored energy during peak times or outages.
"...I can give you a certificate to show you the health of the battery so that's been driving that's partly driving some of the market..."
The health of the battery tells you how well the battery in an electric car is working. A good battery means the car can drive longer distances without needing to be charged.
The health of the battery refers to the condition and performance capability of an electric vehicle's battery pack. It is crucial for determining how much charge the battery can hold and how effectively it can power the vehicle.
"...we sold nearly 200% we sold over 200% more in terms of volume which was only a thousand used EVs for 2025 than we did in 2024..."
Volume means the number of cars sold. If more used electric cars are being sold, it shows that more people want to buy them.
In this context, volume refers to the quantity of used electric vehicles sold in a specific time frame. An increase in volume indicates a growing market demand for these vehicles.
"...we've seen more cars come back from fleet companies now so that they're the biggest returner of vehicles..."
Fleet companies are businesses that own many cars for things like rentals or company use. When they no longer need these cars, they sell them as used vehicles.
Fleet companies manage a group of vehicles that are used for business purposes, such as rental cars or company cars. These vehicles are often returned to the market after a certain period, contributing to the supply of used cars.
"a high percentage of that is your threes and your wives so that we've always got a good selection of them..."
The Tesla Model 3 is a smaller electric car made by Tesla. It's known for being fast and having a long battery life, making it a popular choice for many drivers.
The Tesla Model 3 is a compact electric sedan that has gained popularity for its performance, range, and affordability compared to other Tesla models. It is one of the best-selling electric vehicles worldwide.
"we still see a lot of Kona and Ionic because they got into the government it's really early so um but they will probably tail off i think..."
The Hyundai Kona Electric is a small electric SUV. It's popular because it's affordable and has a good range, making it a great choice for many drivers.
The Hyundai Kona Electric is a subcompact electric SUV that offers a practical range and a variety of features. It's known for its affordability and efficiency in the growing electric vehicle market.
"we still see a lot of Kona and Ionic because they got into the government it's really early so um but they will probably tail off i think..."
The Hyundai Ioniq is a car that comes in different types, including electric and hybrid. It's made to be very efficient and is a good option for people who want to drive green.
The Hyundai Ioniq is available in various electrified versions, including hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and fully electric. It is designed to be efficient and eco-friendly, appealing to a wide range of consumers.
"... fleet makes I suppose smaller range so you know Leafs um what else IQ EQ EQ A's um ix the only you know..."
The Nissan Leaf is a small car that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It's popular because it's cheaper to drive and helps reduce pollution, making it a good choice for environmentally conscious drivers.
The Nissan Leaf is a compact electric vehicle (EV) that has been one of the best-selling electric cars globally since its launch in 2010. It is significant for its affordability, practicality, and contribution to the growing acceptance of electric vehicles in the mainstream market.
"...the second hand market is a genuine reflection in delays of the new car market obviously but with a slight twist in the auction world because you're you're dealing with big corporations and fleets and the like because..."
The second hand market is where people buy and sell used cars. It shows how well new cars are selling and can affect prices.
The second hand market refers to the buying and selling of used vehicles. It can reflect trends in the new car market, such as supply and demand dynamics, pricing, and consumer preferences.
"...that's going to have a knock on effect so that's stability with that that rrp's really important for them..."
RRP is the price that a car company suggests stores sell their cars for. It helps buyers know how much they should expect to pay.
RRP stands for Recommended Retail Price. It is the price that the manufacturer recommends retailers sell a product for. In the automotive industry, it helps consumers understand the expected price of a vehicle.
"...they want that second tier of price point before they then send them back to us like Mercedes do that Mercedes have got a really good um second hand uh section of their dealerships..."
Mercedes is a famous car brand known for making luxury cars. They produce different types of vehicles, including cars and SUVs, that are popular around the world.
Mercedes-Benz is a well-known luxury automotive brand that offers a range of vehicles, including sedans, SUVs, and sports cars. They have a strong reputation for quality and innovation in the automotive industry.
"...we talked a lot about the novated lease situation you know and how that would create a bit of a bubble..."
A novated lease is a way to lease a car where your employer helps pay for it, often using money from your paycheck before taxes are taken out. This can save you money on taxes and make car payments easier.
A novated lease is a three-way agreement between an employee, their employer, and a leasing company, allowing the employee to lease a vehicle using pre-tax income. This arrangement can be beneficial for tax purposes and often includes maintenance and insurance.
"...ime i think model three was at the top sales yes model y was popular uh so i think we're though all those ..."
The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV that offers lots of space and a long driving range without needing gas. It's popular because it has advanced technology and is good for families who want to drive an eco-friendly car.
The Tesla Model Y is a compact all-electric SUV that shares many components with the Model 3 sedan, making it a popular choice for families seeking an electric vehicle. Its significance lies in its combination of performance, range, and spaciousness, contributing to Tesla's dominance in the EV market.
"...that popular but the i know that you just mentioned the number of Teslas on that site..."
An EV is a car that runs on electricity instead of gas. This means it doesn't produce exhaust fumes and is better for the environment.
EV stands for electric vehicle, which is a type of car that is powered entirely by electricity instead of gasoline or diesel. EVs are known for being more environmentally friendly and often have lower operating costs.
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"...we had the pleasure of driving the BYD Addo 2 in recent weeks... I've never I've not loved the look of the Addo 2..."
The BYD Addo 2 is a new electric SUV made by a Chinese company called BYD. They specialize in electric cars, and this model is designed to be a practical and eco-friendly choice for drivers.
The BYD Addo 2 is an electric SUV from the Chinese automaker BYD, known for its focus on electric vehicles and sustainable transportation. This model is part of BYD's expanding range of electric vehicles, aimed at providing affordable and efficient options for consumers.
"think anyone would have an emotional connection to this car you know i think i think it's just it's it's an a to b it does the job it's a get you there car i think without any passion i tell"
An 'A to B car' is just a car that gets you where you need to go without any extra features or excitement. It's all about practicality.
An 'A to B car' refers to a vehicle that is primarily functional, designed to transport people from one location to another without any emphasis on performance or luxury features. These cars are often seen as practical and reliable, but may lack excitement or emotional appeal.
"was there without without you know too many bells and whistles but was there to did the job and i found it was i was pretty good i enjoyed driving it"
'Bells and whistles' means extra features in a car that aren't necessary but make it nicer, like heated seats or a fancy sound system.
The phrase 'bells and whistles' refers to extra features or enhancements in a product, particularly in cars. These are often non-essential but can add comfort, convenience, or luxury to the driving experience.
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recently and wanted to reach out from the UK I was trying to put on a UK accent there I run a
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and always looking for new material and discussions around EVs the tech and the myths mainly from a
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oh four double seven six five seven six five seven now for the last year or so we've had a
couple of conversations with the good people at Pickles Brendon Green their general manager talking
about battery health battery testing and a range of different things Steven and
another report is is on its way from Pickles and we thought we'd get Brendon on the line to talk
about it good day Brendon how you doing good morning good to chat with you mate great to have
you back on the show let's talk broadly about what you what you're looking at in this latest
range of testing and just for people that are new to the show you guys are selling multiple cars every
single day you're getting through a lot of EVs these days and we'll talk about that broad market
in a minute but you're testing vehicles you're understanding the battery health but this time
around you've got a bit of a sense of how DC charging fast charging may or may not be affecting
the health of batteries yeah that's correct we've been testing used EV batteries since 2023 and then
in July this year we started releasing that data to the general public as people are buying
used electric vehicles on a website they can see our full battery test which is you know delivering
things like confidence for the buyers when they you know they can fully understand the battery
health before they're buying so that's been great but along the way we were able to identify or
were able to see what percentage of DC charging a battery has when it has when it's come to us so
you know we've got scores between 0 and 10 percent or you know 90 to 100 percent you know in terms of
the amount of DC charging and obviously there's been a myth out there that DC charging or too much
of it can can really accelerate battery degradation which hasn't been great the myth is completely
false so when we look at you know the 800 cars that we have the results of the DC charging ratios
there's literally between 0 and 10 percent charging and 90 to 100 percent charging
less than 2 percent difference across that you know on a two to two and a half year old car
with 30 000 kilometers on average so it's really good news I think for those that aren't in a position
to charge from home and or might need to rely upon the third party DC chargers out there um to you
know to move when they're moving into the into a electric vehicle so this is significant because
as you said this is this big news that the fast charging which we initially thought yeah might have
a bit more to uh adverse effect on the battery for those the EV owners that are still on the fence
and their question's always about range battery health so normally on a long trip you're going to
hit those fast chargers and well now that they know that the it's not going to really affect the
health of their battery then I think that's a really positive thing for them to hear oh absolutely
and I think there's probably been some reluctancy of people saying oh I can't set up at home I'm in
in the city of Sydney or Melbourne and I don't have charging access you know but I don't want
my battery to die in a matter of years well it's just not going to happen because the data's you
know proving it completely false on average that all the cars we've tested have had a 36 percent
DC charge rate and they're still showing battery health at about 96 percent state of health which
is a great score in my book. So let's just rewind here for a second because we talked about the
battery testing and the reports we've seen other people call the show Brennan that have gone and
found those reports available to be done for their cars independently outside of a
sales auction house like yours and it's a fascinating thing that we think every used car EV car should
have. You're saying that when they plug into the car the diagnostics it literally reports how much
the split between slow charging and fast charging your battery had done is that right?
Yeah not all the reports that we've got but it's sitting in the battery management system and we
get a feed from our third party supplier Avalu who's the testing hardware software that we
that we utilize so we've been able to analyze that across our data analytics to give us some
really deep insights as to what the effect of DC charging is on you know the 800 odd cars that we
have those scores for. We've tested over 1700 cars to date since we started this program
and batteries are healthy and I think it's backed up by you know there is no massive drop off in
battery health just because you're fast charging a lot. Is the knock-on effect of this Brennan
going to really pump up second hand EV values and sales you think? Oh look it's got it's absolutely
got to give it a push in the right direction. We've seen since we launched our battery health
testing more confidence so buyers are now bidding we've got more bidders on used EV since we launched
battery health state health certificates there's more bids on cars the prices of EVs at used EVs
actually went up a little bit because there had been some resistance and people just that nervousness
from people so the testing itself is actually having a positive effect on on used vehicles I
think you're basically crazy if you're going to go and sell a used EV at this point in time without
a certificate because you know why would you launch into something you know we saw we had a
three-year-old Polestar with 230,000 kilometers and they had a battery score of 89%. Now ordinarily
you would not want to touch that car or you know get into it for a you know you wouldn't want to
pay a lot of money if you didn't understand what the battery health was but once you see it's 89%
all that fear sort of goes I think because all of a sudden you understand the health of that
actual battery even for a high mileage car like that. Is there a bit of education still required
around what that percentage really means because I remember we were talking to a caller I think
who was deep in the technicalities on this stuff and I think the way I understand is when you get
close to 70 is when you get close to not unusual unusable but that's when it's kind of avoid that
so what I'm getting at is not to 100 is a lovely you know chart if 89 is a good number
but isn't the number really 70 to 100 isn't that what we're really looking at is and should we come
up with a better way of rating the scores or am I misinformed on that? Well I think the 70 score
is often the number that the manufacturers in their warranties is their flaw so if you're back
if they will change the battery out in a warranty claim if it's under 70% that's where I think the
70% comes from as I understand it's not to say that you know you're just going to miss out on
range right if you drop a few drops beneath 70% that's a good point about $300 or $300 km of range
still works and in fact those batteries have still got a lot of value you know we're selling
written off PVs so cars that have been an accident for all the major insurers those cars are being
targeted by battery recyclers and repurposes to pull those out and utilize them on a house
application or something like that there's some really strong rebates in Queensland
that are driving a lot of that so a lot of the cars the third of the cars go up to Queensland
so you say you're saying that they they recover batteries from cars and put them in houses like
a house battery storage battery? Application yeah correct because as I understand the the
batteries from even erect EVs are still far more powerful and a lot more storage capacity than just
the standard how standard battery that you might put on put on your on your wall at home so that
whole repurposing piece which was part of the initial planning of it was probably more for when
cars got beneath 70%, beneath 60%, beneath 50% battery life in your drivable car but you know
those that are handy guys that are doing solar applications, electricians that have converted
different things and there's a lot of startups up in Queensland are now targeting these cars
buying them and setting them up on houses up in Queensland so good news story from that whole
you know circular economy piece right? Yeah we spoke to someone I can't remember his name
Apologies they were repurposing them into trailers to be used in generator basically
there's electric generators, disaster zones, disaster zones and on job sites and things like
that so there's definite aftermarket there for it what else have you kind of gleaned in the market
other than just battery health around EVs I mean is there is there talk of pricing fluctuation
around seasonal I mean is there is there an evolving secondhand market here because it's
all well and good to say we've got enough cars to have a secondhand market but then there's
kind of the next step is that there's there's ebbs and flows in it there's different I guess
machinations to the actual secondhand market itself. Yeah so I think one of the really pleasing
things we've seen off the back of launching battery health certificates is we're now starting to see
trade buyers and dealers be more active they're more confident because they can see and they can
answer questions for customers as they come in the yard to buy those cars so two years ago or 18
months ago the dealers were only buying 30% of used EVs now they're buying close at a 50% of used EVs
because they now have more confidence used vehicle prices used to be prices are very stable we've
seen the average used EV price stayed at about $36,000 for nearly 18 months now it heavily
fluctuated off the back of COVID where they dropped like a stone and many LEMs were repricing
their you know readjusting their RRP's regularly so we've seen really stable pricing and now we're
seeing dealers becoming more confident and that's probably because they're also getting inquiries
from customers about can I buy a used EV yes I can I can go and source that through Pickles and
I can give you a certificate to show you the health of the battery so that's been driving that's
partly driving some of the market which is which is great you know we sold nearly 200% we sold
over 200% more in terms of volume which was only a thousand used EVs for 2025 than we did in 2024
so the volumes coming through we've seen more cars come back from fleet companies
now so that they're the biggest returner of vehicles so that's you know cars that might be
on behalf of Telstra or the government organizations or major corporations that have
you know jumped into EVs two or three years ago now they're coming back to us to be selling so
more volume more buyers it's it's all boating well for you know for that market absolutely
and and what are you finding if you can share some insights what are the brands that are selling
what's the bread and butter EVs like are there like is a Tesla easier to sell than
another EV like what do you see moving in the second hand market yeah so in the last quarter
we sold over 40 different EV models right so there's plenty that we're we're selling that's
just you know so Tesla still makes about up about 40% of the market you know and a high
percentage of that is your threes and your wives so that we've always got a good selection of them
we've got a number of poll stars um what do i see the other day cherry a motor um has started a
couple of those starting to come through i'd a buzz is starting to come through um that uh
yeah the volksma yeah there's little you know we're seeing we still see a lot of Kona and Ionic
because they got into the government it's really early so um but they will probably tail off i think
because sales it's sort of um aren't as strong what now is what they were a few years ago and
they're going through a bit of it an adjustment of the of their of their run their fleet makes I
suppose smaller range so you know Leafs um what else IQ EQ EQ A's um ix the only you know all the
i brands from the w because it's a funny funny reflection the the second hand market is a
genuine reflection in delays of the new car market obviously but with a slight twist in the auction
world because you're you're dealing with big corporations and fleets and the like because
in we've talked a lot about Kia lately it just feels like they're they're pushing really hard
with their their model range um you know i wonder whether though they're they're much more
private focus so you know the fact is Tesla has this great name in in the world of EVs and whether
you are you know buying 20 cars or 100 cars as a fleet buyer it's not a bad thing to say to someone
your next car is going to be a tesla i mean it's it holds some genuine value doesn't it
yep yeah it does um but but a lot of the the long-term brands i guess i guess the the
key is in the like they've got good credibility with a lot of the big governments and the big
you know the big corporations so the EV 5s and 6s we've had a bunch of 6s come through recently
they've performed really well um and that credibility i think still speaks for those
that might be jumping into an EV for the first time but they understand that brand because
they know that brand because they may have had something in the past so you know um and you
know i think consumers are wary about uh oems that might bounce there or reduce their um
rrp's too regularly because they you know that's going to have a knock on effect so
that's stability with that that rrp's really important for them and there's certain brands
that have certainly maintained that on the way through so yeah it's we've got a good mix um you
know and there's always 40 or 50 listed on the website for people to look at and choose from
they're all around Australia their ex-government ones they're you know a huge range and so that's
that's just delivering choice for our customers um across the board which is which is a good thing
the the other thing i was going to suggest uh it's it's mentioned we don't have the
detail but it's mentioned as a top line in your report is the Australia's climate and the effect
on on you know the local EV the physical EV or the battery i guess in a global sense
how on earth is our weather affecting EV batteries or EVs generally yeah um so again
battery degradation is accelerated when you know in extreme heat or extreme cold if you look at
across Australia our capital cities six out of the seven excluding poor old Darwin you know has
really balanced climate so you know correct so you compare you know the the average yes we get
some hot days in Sydney and Melbourne and Perth and whatever but they're only ones and two's three's
you know and then they drop back to normal climate and when it's cold it's not overly cold so our
climate uh look um up here when you compare it to say Europe North America Middle East Canada
where there are some extremes that those consumers that will drop charging their
car their EVs over there are going to be dealing with long-term cold long-term heat and therefore
the back the battery health battery degradation will be accelerated probably during those periods
ours are very balanced so it's likely our assumption is that we're really well placed to have some of
the healthiest EV batteries on the planet based on the mix of climate that we have the balanced
mix of climate that we have so really good news again for drivers that I suspect our batteries will
regularly score well and from a state of health perspective right through their life just because
of the climate we're here we we were able to tap into here in Australia. So an ideal EV market
ideal climate ideal ideal conditions generally it's uh look it's fascinating that you get to see
this market on the scale that you do even though let's be real it's still very small scale
generally compared to to your overall um you know sales market but because you're able to tap
and and bring this information out of those those large numbers of cars now and that'll
obviously continue to grow Brent and you'll continue to get this kind of healthy information
which is essentially providing this information to everyone because it doesn't really matter
whether you were a fleet owner or a private owner the battery health information is going to be the
same so super valuable information Brent and for everyone who owns an EV and probably suffers from
barbecue anxiety which is where the the bloke's or people at the barbecue yeah your battery's
going to last six years it costs you $30,000 to replace you know that kind of thing it's helpful
mate these are these are genuine things uh conversation points that people can use your
data for their own barbecue conversations mate so good on you for pumping out the info for us
regularly yeah no worries we love busing myths and and we'll continue to do that as we get
these little nuggets we'll keep talking and keep sharing the keep sharing the good news
good on you mate thanks so much for joining us Brent thanks guys cheers cheers no worries at all
there you go I mean that's that's the point is that all that information it's you know pickles
it's an auction house they're selling hundreds of cars but for the average person out there
that's that's for you and me I mean I'm absolutely I'm looking at my cars going I definitely don't
DC fast charge a lot but you know on those road trips so if you if you're doing 15,000 kays a year
and for me I might do two long road trips that might be two and a half thousand kays that is a
decent percentage yeah I do a lot of DC charging I charge at home like I tend to do one big charge
a week and that usually lasts me because you're still carrying a hanky you're basically still
old school mate you're still charging you're charging when you used to fill up don't you reckon
yeah yeah but it works that's the thing it works for you and plus two I want to get it on the books
too for the business hey I charge from home yeah and I do like I charge overnight I've got the real
cheap charging even during the day I've got free charging from 11 till 2 I've got free power at home
but it just it just suits my lifestyle and my just convenience being able to charge at one massive
charge at a DC charger yeah and then that that's good for five or six days so that's like genuinely
useful information for you that he's just providing yeah absolutely yeah because I remember last time
we were talking about I'm thinking oh god because I reckon I'd be probably I reckon I'd be 60 40
DC to AC to AC so that is fantastic news I'm looking yeah I mean we've talked about it before
it's not not overly personal but you've got I think you've got a buyback number in in your in your
phone yeah I'm covered I'm covered but the point is if you didn't have that and you were looking oh
you decided to sell privately yeah because you've got that option you could absolutely stand by the
battery health completely and probably now do you know the other thing is that getting a battery
health certificate is entirely your own decision when you're selling privately yeah if you'd heard
previous conversations we'd had about DC charging you might be reluctant to get one because you'd
be like you know what I might just I might just say nice things and leave it alone right but now
you can have the confidence to go I will get a battery health certificate why not yeah because
actually it'll help me during the sale well I think EV buyers are a lot savvier they're very savvy
I think more than a regular car nice I think such as so I think they need to be a bit savvier
with that and uh yeah they want to make sure they get a good deal they want to they don't want to
buy a bomb they want to make sure that this thing runs well and last them for years and probably
the most useful part of that comment or conversation with Brendan there was that because remember
Pickles sells uh auction and there are car dealers that go to Pickles and go we'll buy these three
and sell them on our lot right so they're looking to buy them at 40 and sell them for 45 that he's
getting more interest from dealerships because they're getting more interest yeah from the people
that's the barometer isn't it the dealers if they're into it then they know they sell more cars than
anyone else they know what's what's uh what's uh it probably points it probably points to the price
issue in just EVs generally because if people are going into dealers and going wouldn't mind an EV
and then finding out the price and going uh then what the dealers want is to be able to go oh no we
can still sell you on it's out here it's done 10 000 k's you know and it's it's a used car so they
want they want that second tier of price point before they then send them back to us like Mercedes
do that Mercedes have got a really good um second hand uh section of their dealerships yeah and uh
yeah that that's always a bit a bit of a fallback position for them so the EV's gonna fall in the
same basket which but if you're if you're a car dealer it's funny you drive down parameter road
or anywhere i don't remember seeing a lot of Tesla's in used car lots if i'm a car dealer
i'm going to pickles or other oxney houses whatever and i'm grabbing a couple of model
threes and model y's on a regular because put them in the lot you either you're either dragging
people in to to bring eyeballs to your EVs or you're giving people an option to just quickly
walk in and walk out with a Tesla have a look at yeah i was going to ask brendan too like whether
well man he's just been on yeah i know one question i had for him was uh and he kind of
answered anyway that obviously Tesla are the like he reckons we're at four up to 40% of the
second hand sales of Tesla's but does that um popularity then dilute the value like because
there's so many of them there's it's a saturated market of used Tesla's does that affect their
buy but their price you reckon like there's a lot of choices out there i would love to hear and we
talked a million times about the kind of calls we want it doesn't matter where you are in your
EV world right yeah it doesn't matter that you it's not this show is not all about people looking
to buy an EV and talk about it there's not people who just bought one if you've owned an EV for so
long and you struggled to sell it or you sold it easily that's what we want to know as well yeah
absolutely because if you've like that's a great question because we we've been doing this now for
three years uh or we get this is our third year i don't know yeah um you know we talked a lot about
the novated lease situation you know and how that would create a bit of a bubble uh which might burst
or otherwise of second hand EVs all these people going on novated leases which are normally kind of
three years is that bubble happening i think i think we're at that period because what's with
your average lease i there's three four five i think three years is the sweet spot especially
fleet sales three years so we're hitting that spot where when we i think we started the show when
do we start this show was 20 it started in our third year yeah right so um at that time i think
model three was at the top sales yes model y was popular uh so i think we're though all those leases
are starting to come in now how's this i just went to amazing ev.com.au shout out because
we've had them on the show um and you know you look at the makes you know there's three BMWs
there's a Cooper there's a Honda there's a hand there's three Hyundai's there's three Polestar's
two Porsches um 27 Tesla's yes there you go wow you know that kind of that kind of tells you what
the market is like out there but but here's what i want to know i want to know does that make it hard
to sell a Tesla for the price you want and you know this when you were selling your model yes
it was like you thought it was worth this oh yeah then you had a realization that it might be worth
this and then to be honest you had to bring it down even further because the market just wasn't
really there because you were also in you you were trying to sell a car that don't sell anymore
but was bigger and more expensive than the brand new version of the Tesla that was coming out right
so no i got the price that i wanted oh no totally but but it was um you're right if that if that was
happening now i would have got a better price possibly because i think there's the the myths
weren't there the battery we knew more about the batteries and there was more awareness about this
this the EV yeah i think back then like that's nearly three years ago i sold that car it was still
EVs were still catching on it wasn't really uh taken uh that popular but the i know that you
just mentioned the number of Teslas on that site and they'll be the same of other other sites so
pickles as well um well that's obviously going to meet demand there's a lot of people who were
their first thought of an EV for a lot of people as a Tesla yes as the first thing that comes to mind
so if there is the the sheer number of second-hand Teslas for sale
could mean that there's a lot of demand for second-hand Teslas so
maybe the value is still there for them it could well be so we'd love to hear from you
get in touch anytime tell us what it was like to sell your car if you've sold your car if you
you didn't get the price you wanted what do you think it was down to hope for double seven
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too late mate i missed it sorry you missed the moment we even made you got to keep your eyes open
come on whoa unbelievable i'm i apologize still got these little energy levels even at the end of
the show that's unbelievable look at you go incredible incredible um we had the pleasure
of driving the byd addo two in recent weeks steven um new new to the range i'm going to tell you
straight up um i've never i've not loved the look of the addo two it's this they addo three
good looking car yep the the um dolphin i felt was an awkward looking car
shark bold very different seal on six aged very quickly seal on seven love it love it seal love
addo one which they announced at the same time as this stunning sharp you know angular look and
this thing has a completely different look it's like a design by a different company yeah
to look quite fit in the sort of design language of the range it kind of bugged me a little and
what i find is weirdly when you look at it from the side it's like the um i don't know it's it's
like squashed in a tall tall roof which is actually a great thing it's very spacious inside but a
very tall roof for this kind of small SUV design and i got it it's called it small so it's not on
medium a small small yeah i got in it drove it and thought do you know what it's it's it lacks
emotion and that's not a bad lack is emotion as in your emotion a connection it's for i don't
think anyone would have an emotional connection to this car you know i think i think it's just
it's it's an a to b it does the job it's a get you there car i think without any passion i tell
i had the same feeling for member the mg suv we drove sort of base model or something just really
meat and potatoes did the plane did everything well i had the same sort of feeling for the
802 was i got in i thought yeah not not too bad you know comfortable drove well everything i needed
was there without without you know too many bells and whistles but was there to did the job and i
found it was i was pretty good i enjoyed driving it the thing um the thing that i found interesting
is it's not actually like it's bigger than a dolphin bigger than a dolphin yeah um dolphin
yeah way but but it's so it's in between addo three and dolphin right addo one is tiny yeah dolphin
with with a bit taken off probably yeah um the price wise it's not it's not exactly cheap for for
the size of the car would be my only concern maybe sort of 35 39 and the premium is about 39
just under 40 um and and you know let's be honest what does it compare to so addo well addo three
because i think you're eliminating the addo three as a vehicle for you because it's either too big
or too expensive so the addo three drive away these are the wise numbers about 43 so you save it
about eight grand okay and you're still getting a byd but you're also only getting a smaller one
350 kays of rain 345 that was the thing yeah well yeah people gotta understand that the all these
features with the price that's all if you had a high range and have a high price
well how big a battery wouldn't yeah bigger battery bigger a longer range and that that's a
consideration but where i think byd though have found a bit of a a space here where they're offering
value and a bit of range as well so that they are i think sort of at the upper levels of that
but compared to other vehicles you know what they're doing yeah they're doing the samsung strategy
yeah they're just every price point we're going to have something to do for you exactly yeah
you want a folding phone we've got the the shark or the sea lion seven whichever one you put yeah
you want to you want to spend less but get good features we've got an a 56 do you know what i mean
yeah true yeah i really think that that's byd strategy i think and i think we spoke recently
a few weeks ago about kia kia having it sort of you know the three the four or the five or all
those choices as well but in this case man i i think i like this better than more than you did
i i didn't mind this uh the the addo and my wife actually didn't mind i i she drives an svv every
day right so i see i value her feedback when it comes to the size of the car the drive of the car
and she quite liked it so yeah right i said to her said that would you would this be if you if
someone gave you one of these as your car would you be happy she goes oh i don't mind it i think
it's a great car it drives really well like it's actually not a bad drive it's not a sporty or
spirited drive but it's a good drive does the trick not not the worst car i've ever driven
that's for sure not at all i'm just saying you know fit and finish wise it is a 35 000 car and
that's a big screen massive screen on a 2a for the for the price of getting it 35 000 dollars
you get in the fit and finish you used to get in a 25 000 car okay i really think that that price
point is different for people who you know people that have bought that haven't bought a car for six
years seven years and they buy a new car they're thinking a 35 000 car is going to have a lot more
than what it probably does in terms of fit and finish maybe but it is feature rich like you
know cruise control and yeah you know i wouldn't buy it in black even though both we've got a very
black driver then you said to me and i took it back it was every time you get it in it's hot i
went mate you must be part of it and also i closed the mood roof right i'm like okay well let's close
that for start didn't help no i got in and um i was actually like my this was black car with black
seats burnt my legs on the on the steering wheel yeah but it was hot yeah i don't i'd never have
experience i hadn't experienced anything i i think the other thing was no tint yeah so i think there
was literally nothing stopping the sun from burning that car up so that again things that come
get it tinted folks things that come with higher prices as those little those little features yeah
a good car though mate oh like oh i wouldn't begrudge anyone that buys an addo too it's weird
because now i look at a couple photos i like the look of it but maybe it was just a direct
see i think all cars have good and bad angles but the color too i reckon it was different color
would have been i think the design would have been a bit better a bit bit more pleasing to the eye
yes because in while i'm looking at one that's like a light green color and there's black accents
around the windows and things which i think it needed that gives you some definition unless you
really love black for your addos um go the other colors yeah for sure uh blue they've got a nice
blue color it's not a road trip car concern of 50k range is is manageable but it would be frustrating
on the open roads short trips suburban driving city driving yeah this would be an absolutely
brilliant car for the city city driver yeah i think like i said to my wife i said this this
would suit her she doesn't drive far your car's never left the suburb her car her car yes she
does it doesn't go very far though it's got a new castle a couple of times well it's going to
make some several trips a new car well there we go yeah we'll have to hook her up grandpa
steven grandma joe hey yeah that's the one we mentioned that on this show uh i think so
oh sure well if not the net they they're gonna be uh grand yeah june yeah june we're expecting
so by the addo two uh looking forward to getting into the addo one at some point because that to
me is a fascinating vehicle with even lower range but an even lower price point yeah and i think we
want to drive more cars yeah we want to drive the the cheaper cars the top of the line cars we're
gonna got your cover yeah yeah i mean but the thing is and this applies to people who um watch
youtube reviews and read reviews you know that every single reviewer there's there's an inherent
not bias but an inherent uh personal feeling about a car and i think most people watching this would
know yeah that you're a you're a man who has a luxury car taste and i'm a i'm i'm someone who
had i'm i'm i have a i want a car with with some sportier sort of sport and some passion some emotion
yeah i want to feel great about driving the car and that's that's something i'll point out whenever
i whenever i do or don't get it simple as that fair enough that we're all different and we react
different to cars we've heard over the weeks the people who they just don't connect with the sort
of the plainness of a tesla they want something that feels a bit more like a real car like a
their old car so yeah everyone's different mate if you uh if you bought an auto 2 or you're in the
market for an attitude you're waiting for an attitude you've just driven an auto 2 uh let us
know uh 0 4 double 7 6 5 7 6 5 7 we'll uh take your calls whenever we can and we'll get you on the
show 0 4 double 7 6 5 7 6 5 7 7 let's do it all again next week i will be right here right here right
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