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118 - PHEV - Plug In Hybrids - are they worth it?

118 - PHEV - Plug In Hybrids - are they worth it?

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About this episode

The hosts explore whether plug-in hybrids make sense by comparing real-world EV ownership, family-friendly buying decisions, and a week in a Mercedes-Benz GLC 350 PHEV. A recurring theme is practicality: listeners weigh budget, comfort features, software updates, and dealer incentives, while the PHEV discussion argues that regular charging can make a hybrid behave much like an EV for many daily drivers. The episode also includes long-term EV ownership evidence, with one MG ZS EV still holding strong range after nearly five years and 140,000 km.

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Concept

Plug-in hybrid

"Podcast: Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars - The EV Podcast Episode: 118 - PHEV - Plug In Hybrids - are they worth it?"

A plug-in hybrid is a car that uses both electricity and gas. You can plug it in to charge the battery, so you may use less gas for everyday trips.

Term

rear camera

"Steven's big recommendation is always go the R model that means a rear camera as well. So front and back. Look if you're going to go to the trouble get covered in all directions."

A rear camera is a camera that shows what’s behind the car, usually on the screen when you reverse. It makes parking and backing up easier and safer.

Car

MG ZS EV

"Good day how you going? Yeah really good mate where are you at in your EV journey? Well I've had a MG ZS EV for almost five years now and about to the lease is about to run out"

The MG ZS EV is an electric SUV. The caller is sharing that they’ve been driving one for years and are thinking about getting another one when the lease ends.

Brand

MG

"Well I've had a MG ZS EV for almost five years now and about to the lease is about to run out so I'm about to pull the trigger on another one"

MG is a car brand. Here it’s mentioned because the caller drives an MG electric vehicle.

Term

range

"The Zika is nice it's got the and it's got the good range it's got the range of about 600 approximately 600 but the ION's got just over 500"

In EV and plug-in hybrid discussions, “range” means how far the vehicle can travel on a single charge (or on its available energy). It’s usually expressed as an estimate under specific test conditions, so real-world range can vary with speed, temperature, and driving style.

Term

aircon

"... I think you said the aircon wasn't too good ... for example the aircon then surround plasticky thing that started to bubble and they just replaced it."

Aircon is the car’s heating/cooling system for the cabin. In an electric car, using it can also affect how efficiently the car uses energy.

Concept

salary sacrifice

"No yes I can't trading because it's some salary sacrifice so it's lease so I have to sell this. That was a lease car wasn't it?"

Salary sacrifice is when your job lets you trade part of your pay for a benefit. Here, it’s being used to get the EV through a lease arrangement.

Concept

residual

"Yeah right. Oh no no so I have to say it's mine but I'm just gonna pay out the residual whatever it is. Can you keep it or you keep it or even you'll sell it what would you do with it?"

A residual is the estimated value of the car at the end of your lease. If you want to keep the car, you usually pay that amount to buy it out.

Term

warranty

"... they just replaced under warranty and I haven't had any issues with that."

Warranty is the coverage that pays for certain repairs if something goes wrong within a time limit. They’re saying the car’s problems were fixed for free under that coverage.

Concept

conversion to electric

"... this is a car that was a punt in a sense too. I mean MG had been around for a while that car was essentially a petrol car with a conversion to electric."

Conversion to electric means the car was adapted to run on electricity instead of petrol. The host is suggesting this EV was based on older, non-electric design ideas.

Term

FBT policy

"I got it before the new policy which is the FBT policy came in so yeah just before so I had to wait until the lease ended..."

This is a tax rule that can make certain car deals cheaper or more expensive. The hosts are saying they got their EV before the rules changed, so the deal was better.

Term

EV

"...I tell everyone especially at work because you know they can all salary sacrifice so I tell them go and get an EV."

An EV is a car that runs on electricity from a battery instead of using petrol or diesel.

Term

wall charger

"...You'd be set up at home then on the charging front mate what's the what's the store you got a wall charger how are you charging?"

A wall charger is a dedicated charging plug at home. It usually charges your EV faster and more reliably than a regular household outlet.

Car

Dodge Charger

"... mate what's the what's the store you got a wall charger how are you charging? I just granny charge here. ..."

The Dodge Charger is a car that can be powered in different ways depending on the version, including plug-in options. When people talk about charging it, they mean how you plug it in at home using a wall charger or a slower standard outlet. The discussion is about what’s practical for daily use.

Term

granny charge

"I just granny charge here. Five years of granny charge. That's a big deal because a lot of people they sort of balk at the granny charging"

“Granny charging” means charging your EV from a normal home power point, not a special fast charger. It’s slower, but it can work fine if you drive a short distance each day.

Term

four-wheel drive EVs

"...there weren't really any four-wheel drive EVs when we go um yeah um this one..."

This means an electric car that can drive all four wheels, which can help with grip on slippery roads. The host is saying there weren’t many of these available yet.

Brand

Denza

"...this one so that's in and maybe maybe Denza by then will be a great contender in that four-wheel drive space..."

Denza is a brand of electric cars linked to BYD. The host thinks Denza could offer a compelling four-wheel-drive option in the future.

Company

BYD

"...maybe Denza by then will be a great contender in that four-wheel drive space to be go go super hybrid from BYD's kind of premium brand."

BYD is an automaker that makes electric cars (and also plug-in hybrids). The hosts are saying BYD’s premium brand could bring strong options later.

Concept

super hybrid

"...to be go go super hybrid from BYD's kind of premium brand."

“Super hybrid” sounds like a marketing term for a hybrid that relies more on electricity than a simple gas-only hybrid. The exact technical meaning depends on the specific model.

Term

PHEV

"Episode: 118 - PHEV - Plug In Hybrids - are they worth it? [519.4s] It's a nice looking car so we're going to have a look at that..."

PHEV means a plug-in hybrid car. It uses both gas and electricity, and you can charge it by plugging it in.

Term

roadside assistance

"...eight-year 200,000 kilometer battery warranty five years roadside assistance free 22 kilowatt EV wall charger..."

Roadside assistance is help if your car has trouble while you’re driving. It often includes things like towing or getting the car going again.

Topic

EV influencers

"...Mirac with his brand new hey we are EV influencers does that make us EV influencers officially..."

They’re talking about EV influencers—people who share opinions and reviews about electric cars online. The point here is that the hosts’ advice helped someone decide for themselves.

Term

CarPlay dropouts

"...but it wasn't a glowing review we definitely talked about you mentioned I think the carplay dropouts yeah and I think I think if Mirac Smarty think that's a software issue and can be fixed pretty easily..."

CarPlay is the phone-to-car screen system. “Dropouts” means it sometimes disconnects or stops working for a moment while you’re driving. The hosts think it may be caused by software and could potentially be fixed.

Term

Apple CarPlay

"...you mentioned I think the carplay dropouts yeah and I think I think if Mirac Smarty think that's a software issue and can be fixed pretty easily..."

Apple CarPlay lets you use your iPhone through the car’s screen. You can get maps, music, and calls without touching your phone. If it “drops out,” the connection between your phone and the car isn’t staying stable.

Car

Toyota Prius

"... I've had hybrids I had like the burst and second Prius I think it was the first model Prius and the sec..."

The Toyota Prius is a hybrid car, which means it uses both a gasoline engine and an electric motor. People bring it up a lot because it’s designed to use less fuel than many regular cars. The “first” and “second” Prius references usually mean different generations with different features.

Term

hybrids

"but or I I think and I still think hybrids are compromised and overly complicated compromised to have an electric motor and a petrol motor together just doesn't make any sense"

A hybrid is a car that uses two kinds of power: a gasoline engine and an electric motor. The car decides how to use them, which can make the system more complicated than a simple gas-only car.

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electric motor

"compromised to have an electric motor and a petrol motor together just doesn't make any sense yeah in the Chevy Volt remember the Volt was the Volta Volt"

An electric motor is the part that uses electricity to make the car move. In hybrid cars, it can help the gas engine or sometimes move the car by itself.

Car

Holden Volt

"yeah in the Chevy Volt remember the Volt was the Volta Volt oh it was the over here it was the Volt the the Holden Volt um I remember driving first time thing it was amazing but it was a petrol engine charging an electric battery that you would then power the car with it was a very strange thing"

The Holden Volt is a car that can run on electricity some of the time, but it also has a gasoline engine as backup. You can charge its battery from a plug, so it’s not a full EV.

Car

Chevrolet Volt

"...er just doesn't make any sense yeah in the Chevy Volt remember the Volt was the Volta Volt oh it was th..."

The Chevrolet Volt is a plug-in hybrid, meaning it can be charged like an electric car but it also has a gasoline engine. When the battery runs low, the car can use the engine to keep you going. People talk about it because charging affects how much you can drive on electricity.

Term

petrol engine

"it was a petrol engine charging an electric battery that you would then power the car with it was a very strange thing"

A petrol engine is the normal gasoline engine in a car. In a plug-in hybrid, it can help drive the car and can also recharge the battery when needed.

Term

electric battery

"it was a petrol engine charging an electric battery that you would then power the car with it was a very strange thing"

The electric battery is what stores electricity for the car’s electric motor. In plug-in hybrids, you can charge it from a plug, so you can drive on electricity for a while.

Car

Volvo V40

"well you know then I had I currently have a Volvo V40 diesel love it love it I think the car is absolutely gorgeous but it's no longer the right car for us because we've got grandchildren"

The Volvo V40 is the car the speaker currently drives. They’re saying it looks great, but it doesn’t have enough space for their growing family needs.

Term

diesel

"well you know then I had I currently have a Volvo V40 diesel love it love it I think the car is absolutely gorgeous"

Diesel is a type of fuel and engine. It’s different from petrol, and people often choose it for efficiency, though it depends on where you live and how you drive.

Company

Pickles

"...my son buys an electric car second hand off pickles and my wife says class amazing value..."

Pickles is mentioned as where they bought a used car. It’s basically a used-car marketplace/auction style seller, which can influence what deals you can find.

Car

Volvo C40

"...the other Volvos I love like the C40 oh that's good room and everything anyway missed out on six cars..."

The Volvo C40 is an all-electric Volvo SUV/crossover. The speaker brings it up as one of the EVs they liked while trying to buy another Volvo.

Topic

dealer demos

"...because I wasn't going to buy a car for that kind of look at it blah blah blah and I'm over so my wife's now getting caught up in excitement and I found and then we looked at the Z car... and I found a dealer demo oh fantastic..."

A “dealer demo” is a car the dealership uses for customers to test drive or to show off. It usually has fewer miles than a regular used car, but it may have been driven a lot.

Car

Z Car

"...and then we looked at the Z car yep X the the little one yeah nice yeah yeah I thought beautiful looking car..."

“Z car” sounds like the speaker is referring to a particular car they were considering, but the exact model isn’t clear from the transcript. It matters because they’re comparing it to other EVs while shopping.

Concept

vehicle for grid

"my first thing which I wanted I said if I'm going to buy an electric car it has to have a vehicle for grid has to be that makes the most logical sense why am I buying like you say Trevor yeah"

They’re talking about using the car’s battery in relation to the electricity grid. The idea is that the car could help with how electricity is used—either by charging at the right times or potentially sending power back, depending on the system.

Term

panoramic sunroof

"even down to like oh beautiful big panoramic sunroof there's no cover for it it's just ridiculous why can't there's no awning"

A panoramic sunroof is a big glass opening in the roof. It can make the cabin feel brighter, but if there’s no good cover, it can also let in too much heat or glare.

Term

awning

"there's no cover for it it's just ridiculous why can't there's no awning"

An awning is a retractable or fixed shade that blocks sunlight. In the context of a panoramic sunroof, the speaker is saying they want a way to cover it to reduce glare/heat.

Term

heated seats

"heated seats I needed that and the Z cut oh that's on the next option up right so so the depot"

Heated seats use electric heating elements in the seat cushions and/or backrests. They’re a common comfort feature on many modern cars, especially in colder climates, and can be tied to trim levels or option packages.

Concept

software update

"he said what software update and I said oh my god that's fantastic and I said and I told my wife"

Cars today run on computers. A software update can fix problems or improve how the car behaves without needing new hardware.

Term

blind for the window

"it had the on they had the blind for the window had a big boot it had everything"

A window blind is a cover you can pull down or adjust to block sunlight or add privacy. It’s usually a feature you only get on certain versions of a car.

Term

boot

"it had the on they had the blind for the window had a big boot it had everything"

A boot is the trunk area where you put luggage and other items. They’re saying the car had enough space for what they needed.

Concept

budget creep

"my wife kept approving the budget creep started off at like 30 and it crept up and crept up so now we're at 42"

Budget creep means you start with a spending limit, but the final price keeps rising. In this case, they kept moving up until it reached $42,000.

Term

charge rate

"...can I ask one more question because it's the only thing which I found which I've now thinking oh did I do the wrong car is the charge rate something to worry..."

Charge rate is how fast the car can charge. Even if you plug into a “fast” charger, the car may only accept a certain speed.

Term

trickle charger

"...never used a wall charger at home just a trickle charger every night unless you are doing 150 kilometers a day of driving"

A trickle charger charges slowly, usually overnight. It’s meant for keeping the battery topped up rather than charging quickly.

Concept

charging

"[1617.6s] to worry about [1617.6s] charging mate just get into the routine as we talked about on last week show for you rewind to last [1623.6s] week show when you get a chance to listen and you'll hear us talk about what you do when you"

Charging means plugging the car in to refill its battery. The idea is that once you do it a few times, it becomes a normal routine.

Concept

driveway price

"[1654.4s] well you know what I think in the end it sounds like he's the kind of person that's always trying [1658.8s] to get the dealer demo like he's not he's not going for the driveway price brand new car he was [1663.2s] looking at pickles he was in the car sales and then he went to the dealer demo demo angle so"

“Driveway price” means what you’ll actually pay to have the car in your driveway, not just the headline price on the ad.

Concept

ordering online

"[1667.5s] you know he's trying to get the best the best deal um and that that doesn't always mean you get [1673.3s] you're not ordering online or getting a car off the boat in that sense so that's probably the [1677.4s] challenge well he's had quite a journey that's good glad that he's finally got exactly almost"

Ordering online means buying the car through the internet instead of just walking into a dealership. People do it to compare prices and deals more easily.

Concept

car off the boat

"[1667.5s] you know he's trying to get the best the best deal um and that that doesn't always mean you get [1673.3s] you're not ordering online or getting a car off the boat in that sense so that's probably the [1677.4s] challenge well he's had quite a journey that's good glad that he's finally got exactly almost"

“Off the boat” means the car is shipped in from elsewhere by sea and you buy it when it arrives. It’s another way people try to get a better deal.

Car

Honda Jazz

"unfortunately not um I've got a Honda Jazz at the moment that's what I've got that's a cracker 2012 2012 what do you reckon as an 18 year old with a full-time job"

The Honda Jazz is a small Honda hatchback. It’s the kind of car people pick for practical daily use, and here it’s just what the speaker currently drives.

Car

Fiat 500

"...ed run you know whether Mini Cooper and the Fiat 500 that sort of stuff it's far too small for them to..."

The Fiat 500 is a very small car made for city driving. Because it’s compact, it can feel cramped compared with bigger cars, especially for taller people or when carrying more passengers. People mention it when they’re talking about how small cars fit real-life needs.

Car

Mitsubishi Outlander

"what's the family situation mate like are there any EVs in the family or do you think you'll be the first well my my parents have a Mitsubishi Outlander yeah so I mean I'm not I'm not too big on plug-in hybrids but"

The Mitsubishi Outlander is an SUV. In this conversation it’s mentioned as the family’s plug-in hybrid, and the point is that they can drive a lot while using very little petrol.

Term

instant torque

"they barely use any petrol now and uh you know they they drive quite a bit and I'll be honest with you the other thing about EVs is right is the acceleration on them and the instant torque it's like it's very exciting"

Instant torque means the electric motor gives you strong pull right away, even from a standstill. That’s why EVs can feel quick and eager when you put your foot down.

Concept

zero to 100

"yeah a lot a lot of EVs have that uh you know they you know if you get a bike test you can go zero to 100 in like under three seconds but generally yeah the performance"

“Zero to 100” is a timing test: how fast a car goes from standing still to 100 km/h. It’s used to compare acceleration between cars.

Car

Hyundai Ioniq

"[1995.3s] I'm just saying mate previous call I spent some time looking at pickles auctions and things like [2000.2s] that you know you might be able to find it might not be a Honda super one right but yeah you might [2004.8s] find a key and neo or an Ioniq or different things that are only I can't lie to you I'm I've not that"

The Hyundai Ioniq is a model line that includes electrified versions, like hybrids and plug-in hybrids. In the conversation it’s brought up as one of the cars you might find used.

Term

no-vated lease

"unless you're doing a no-vated lease and all those kind of things that that might require it to be a brand new car um you don't need to buy a new car"

They’re likely talking about a special kind of lease arrangement where your employer helps pay for the car through your pay. It can change the cost and how easy it is to get the car.

Term

wall socket

"I mean I'm I I think probably just like a wall wall socket I mean I could probably install something in our house but I don't know"

Charging an EV from a wall socket usually means using a standard household outlet (often via a portable charging cable). It’s typically slower than dedicated home charging equipment, but it can be enough for plug-in hybrids and for drivers who don’t need fast turnaround.

Term

second hand market

"but uh anyway the like a real world experience I can imagine the second hand market being a boon for parents buying their kids first cars too absolutely"

The “second hand market” refers to used-car sales, where buyers can often find lower prices than buying new. For PHEVs and EVs, used availability can be especially important because battery technology and charging infrastructure are evolving quickly, affecting what’s considered “worth it.”

Car

Mercedes Benz GLC 350

"we're and Fraser just mentions plug-in hybrids we we should we should take a time to talk about plug-in hybrids because we drove the Mercedes Benz GLC 350 recently yes we did um you know"

This is a Mercedes-Benz SUV. They’re talking about a version that can run on electricity and also uses gas, and you can plug it in to charge the battery.

Term

electric mode

"you had it in full electric mode so the thing about ... then there's just full electric so you can you can truly choose"

Electric mode is when the car tries to run on the battery and electric motor. If the battery gets low, the car may stop using it and switch to gas.

Term

battery saver

"one of them is you know just you know use you do your best the other one is kind of battery saver so it kind of just tries to keep the battery at the same level using it and the petrol engine"

Battery saver is a setting that tries to keep the battery from running down. It uses more gas so you still have battery left for later.

Concept

plug in every night

"and you can if you drive it particularly well and you charge properly as in you plug in every night you can drive a fev as an electric car"

Plugging in every night helps the PHEV start each day with a full battery. If you don’t drive farther than the car’s electric range, you can use electricity most of the time.

Term

fast charge

"...i want to be purely electric i need fast charge that's like when's that going to happen"

Fast charging is when you charge the battery quicker than usual. It’s helpful when you’re on a trip and don’t have hours to charge at home.

Brand

mbux

"...there's not much difference to it it's the same infotainments as mbux and all those different things"

MBUX is Mercedes’ in-car screen and software system. If two Mercedes cars both use MBUX, their menus and features tend to feel very similar.

Term

infotainments

"...there's not much difference to it it's the same infotainments as mbux and all those different things"

In-car infotainment is the touchscreen/console system that handles things like navigation, media, phone pairing, and vehicle settings. In this segment, the hosts are comparing the user experience across Mercedes models.

Term

ev charger

"...she would be reluctant to have to go to an ev charger every time she goes up there to be able to get home"

An EV charger is where you plug the car in to charge its battery. The worry is whether you’ll find one when you’re away from home.

Concept

hybrid mode

"...put it in hybrid mode yeah so that you don't specifically go electric but you drive to new castle and back in hybrid mode it would have been interesting to see how much petrol you use"

Hybrid mode lets the car decide when to use electricity and when to use gas. It’s useful for longer trips when you don’t want to worry about running the battery down.

Term

recuperation

"does it give recuperation to the battery that would recharge our wow that would have worked out but you know the recuperation is never going to be enough there's a lot of downhill runs it would have given a bit of recuperation"

Recuperation is when slowing down helps recharge the battery. Rather than losing energy as heat, the car turns some of that slowing energy back into electricity.

Term

e-v plug

"i had to remember i had to remember what side the uh the e-v plug was it's on the it's on the left side there's there's a plug plug in hybrid has got you got your petrol cap and your e-v your e-v chargers uh as well"

The EV plug is what you use to charge the car from a charger. It’s different from the gas cap, and the car usually has a charging port you plug into.

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