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132. The Pile Up EP20: GTO, Cocaine, and Back to the Future
132. The Pile Up EP20: GTO, Cocaine, and Back to the Future
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About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds at the Industrial Arts Tool Library in Portland, where the hosts delve into the fascinating life of John DeLorean, the GTO's creation, and the impact of 'Back to the Future' on the DeLorean legacy. They explore DeLorean's rise in the automotive industry, his innovative spirit, and the controversies surrounding his later years, including his entrapment in a drug scandal. The episode balances humor with insightful commentary on automotive history, making it a rich listen for those intrigued by the intersection of cars and culture.
Topics:
automatic transmission
big three
Chrysler
DeLorean Motor Company
four‑barrel carburetor
GM
Le Mans
Oldsmobile
Packard
Studebaker
Cars:
Buick Grand National
Chevrolet Corvette
Delorean DMC-12
Ford F-150
Packard Custom Eight
Pontiac GTO
Pontiac Lemans GTO Convertible
Tesla Cybertruck
Rose brings the dramatic story of John DeLorean to light, Emily enjoys the ride.
Recorded, edited & mixed by Emdognightmare & Queen of the Vans
Production & research Queen of the Vans & Emdognightmare
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Technical
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Car
Delorean DMC-12
"I want to go deeper into DeLorean mm-hmm I was focusing on the GTO but my notes are not GTO focused..."
The DeLorean is a famous car known for its unusual look and gullwing doors. It became popular because it was featured in a popular movie about time travel.
The DeLorean DMC-12 is a sports car that became iconic for its unique design and stainless steel body. It was produced by the DeLorean Motor Company in the early 1980s and is often remembered for its role in the 'Back to the Future' movie franchise.
Car
Pontiac GTO
"I was focusing on the GTO but my notes are not GTO focused..."
The GTO is a classic car made by Pontiac that is known for being fast and powerful. It was one of the first muscle cars and is still popular among car enthusiasts today.
The Pontiac GTO is a classic American muscle car that was first introduced in 1964. It is often credited with starting the muscle car trend and is known for its powerful V8 engine and performance.
Company
Chrysler
"he did a year at Chrysler then"
Chrysler is a car company from the United States that makes different types of vehicles like cars and SUVs.
Chrysler is an American automobile manufacturer known for producing a wide range of vehicles, including sedans, SUVs, and minivans. It has a rich history in the automotive industry and is part of the larger Stellantis group.
Company
Packard
"he got poached by Packard"
Packard was a famous American car brand that made luxury cars, especially popular in the early 1900s.
Packard was a luxury automobile manufacturer in the United States, known for its high-quality cars and innovative engineering during the early to mid-20th century. The brand is often associated with luxury and performance.
Part
Ultramatic transmission
"the ultramatic transmission and that became the twin ultramatic"
The Ultramatic transmission is a type of automatic gearbox that helps cars change gears without the driver needing to do it manually.
The Ultramatic transmission was an automatic transmission developed by Packard, known for its smooth shifting and reliability.
Term
automatic transmission
"but like Packard was one of the first to have an automatic transmission next to Buick and Oldsmobile"
An automatic transmission is a system in a car that changes gears for you, so you don't have to do it yourself like in a manual car.
An automatic transmission is a type of vehicle transmission that automatically changes the gear ratios as the vehicle moves, allowing the driver to focus on driving without needing to shift gears manually.
Brand
Oldsmobile
"...instead of it being BPO Buick Pontiac Olds you get a Buick Packard Olds..."
Oldsmobile was a car brand that made cars in the U.S. for many years before it stopped making them.
Oldsmobile was one of the oldest car brands in America, known for its innovative vehicles, and was also part of General Motors before it was discontinued in 2004.
Brand
Studebaker
"...but like Studebaker I guess Studebaker had money and Studebaker went to buy Packard..."
Studebaker was a car company in the U.S. that made cars and was known for being innovative.
Studebaker was an American automobile manufacturer known for its innovative designs and was one of the first companies to produce electric cars in the early 1900s.
Concept
Big Three
"...I'm assuming you had the big three I'm assuming..."
The 'Big Three' are the three biggest car companies in America: General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler. They are very important in making and selling cars in the U.S.
The 'Big Three' refers to the three largest American automobile manufacturers: General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler. These companies have historically dominated the U.S. automotive market and have played a significant role in the industry's development.
Brand
GM
"we're talking about generically GM as one automaker"
GM stands for General Motors, a big company that makes cars like Chevrolet and Cadillac.
GM, or General Motors, is one of the largest automotive manufacturers in the world, known for brands like Chevrolet, Cadillac, and Buick.
Car
Packard Custom 8 Victoria
"...Doc Brown has a Packard Custom 8 Victoria and loans it to McFly for the enchantment under the sea dance..."
The Packard Custom 8 Victoria is an old luxury car made by the Packard company. It's known for being stylish and powerful, popular in the 1930s.
The Packard Custom 8 Victoria is a classic luxury car produced by Packard, known for its elegant design and powerful performance. It was popular in the late 1930s and is often associated with vintage automotive culture.
Term
389
"...if we could take the 389 and put it in the Le Mans..."
The 389 is a type of engine made by Pontiac. It's known for being powerful and was used in many of their cars, especially in the 1960s.
The 389 is a V8 engine produced by Pontiac, known for its power and performance, especially in muscle cars during the 1960s. It was a popular choice for various Pontiac models, including the GTO.
Car
Pontiac Le Mans
"...if we could take the 389 and put it in the Le Mans and so he gets his crew together..."
The Pontiac Le Mans is a car made by the Pontiac brand. It was popular in the 1960s and 1970s and is known for being sporty and fun to drive.
The Pontiac Le Mans is a compact car that was produced by Pontiac from 1961 to 1981. It was known for its performance and sporty design, making it a popular choice among car enthusiasts during its production years.
Concept
Le Mans
"so instead it was a package of the Le Mans so the GTO was just an available upgrade for like another $250"
Le Mans is a famous car race that lasts for 24 hours. It's known for testing how well cars can perform over a long time, and many car manufacturers participate to show off their technology.
Le Mans refers to the 24 Hours of Le Mans, one of the most prestigious endurance races in the world, held annually in France. It tests the durability and performance of cars over a full day of racing, making it a significant event in automotive history.
Term
tri-power
"...the tri-power GTOs and stuff..."
Tri-power is a system that uses three carburetors on an engine to help it run better and faster. It was used in some classic cars to improve their performance.
Tri-power refers to a specific type of carburetion system that uses three carburetors to increase engine performance. It was popularized by Pontiac in the 1960s, particularly in models like the GTO, allowing for better airflow and more power.
Term
four-barrel carburetor
"...the four-barrel or the two four-barrels..."
A four-barrel carburetor is a part of an engine that helps mix air and fuel for combustion. It has four openings to let in more air and fuel, which can make the engine more powerful.
A four-barrel carburetor is a type of carburetor that has four barrels or venturis, allowing for more air and fuel to enter the engine compared to a two-barrel carburetor. This setup is commonly used in performance engines to increase power output.
Company
DeLorean Motor Company
"...because some of this is specifically about DeLorean Motor Company..."
DeLorean Motor Company is a car manufacturer known for making a unique car called the DMC-12. This car is famous for its unusual doors that open upwards and its shiny stainless steel body.
DeLorean Motor Company was founded by John DeLorean in 1975 and is best known for its iconic DMC-12 sports car, which featured distinctive gull-wing doors and a stainless steel body. The company became a symbol of the 1980s due to its appearance in the 'Back to the Future' film series.
Car
Chevrolet Corvettes
"cost overruns on the car Corvettes were cheaper than their car so it kind of came ou..."
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast and stylish sports car that many people love. It's important because it's been around for a long time and represents American car-making at its best.
The Chevrolet Corvette is an iconic American sports car known for its performance, sleek design, and relatively affordable price compared to other high-performance vehicles. It has a rich history dating back to 1953 and is often discussed for its role in American automotive culture and engineering advancements.
Car
DMC DeLorean
"...that Back to the Future did kind of save the legacy of the DMC because otherwise I don't think people would really remember it really it's such a cool looking car..."
The DMC DeLorean is a unique car known for its shiny metal body and doors that open upwards. It became famous because it was featured in the 'Back to the Future' movies.
The DMC DeLorean is a sports car manufactured by the DeLorean Motor Company, famous for its distinctive stainless steel body and gullwing doors. It gained iconic status largely due to its appearance in the 'Back to the Future' film series.
Car
Tesla Cybertruck
"there's another stainless car aside from the Cybertruck yeah you know"
The Tesla Cybertruck is a new kind of electric truck that looks very different from regular trucks. It's made from a tough metal and is designed to be strong and high-tech, which makes it exciting for people who like new cars.
The Tesla Cybertruck is an all-electric pickup truck known for its futuristic design and durable exoskeleton made of stainless steel. It has generated significant buzz due to its unconventional appearance and the promise of advanced technology and performance, making it a topic of interest in discussions about the future of electric vehicles.
Car
Buick Grand National
"like I remember I ran into a Grand National Roadster show I saw Larry Erickson who's a GM des..."
The Buick Grand National is a special version of a Buick car from the 1980s that is known for being very fast and powerful. People like it because it has a unique look and is part of the history of cool American cars.
The Buick Grand National is a high-performance version of the Buick Regal, produced in the 1980s, and is celebrated for its turbocharged V6 engine and distinctive black exterior. It has a cult following among car enthusiasts and is often discussed for its role in the muscle car era and its performance capabilities.
Car
Ford F150
"engines to change pick it up it's got the F-150 becoming the best selling vehicle in America"
The Ford F-150 is a big truck that many people use for work and everyday driving. It's very popular in the U.S. because it's tough and can do a lot of different jobs.
The Ford F-150 is a full-size pickup truck that has been the best-selling vehicle in America for several decades. Known for its versatility, durability, and range of engine options, it is often discussed in the context of its impact on the truck market and its popularity among consumers.
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You know what today is?
Sunday?
It's Sunday, so that means it's Wednesday.
Oh, yes!
That means we're recording!
Here we are!
Hi!
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Here we are!
The Industrial Arts Tool Library.
That's right, we're on location.
Portland, Oregon.
Oregon.
Capital K, Porkland.
There is a magazine called
Porkland, I think.
No, it's just called Pork, yes.
I've advertised in Pork before.
Oh, okay, you would.
Yeah, I did.
Is my mic close enough to my face?
Your mic could be a little
closer per half.
Oh, you're stuck?
How's that?
It's good.
Be pointing at your mouth.
Is it not?
At your forehead.
Is it pointing at my mouth?
Twist it down some.
That's pretty good.
Sorry, I thought it was pointed at my mouth.
The thing about microphones is you want to be intentional.
You really want to speak into them.
Well, I apparently wanted at my forehead.
Holly, a lot of people don't.
I can't tell you how many times you go somewhere
and people get a chance to speak that don't normally
do that and then they hold the mic
like a foot from their face
thinking that it's the
hottest thing ever.
Yeah, I think that's what I do
sometimes.
Hi, what are you doing?
Here we are. What am I doing?
Right now, I'm sitting here recording with you.
Really? That's cool.
I've been working on a movie.
A big Hollywood blockbuster?
Yeah, it's called Are We Cool.
It's a very small, very poor indie film.
And it's called Are We Cool?
Yeah, it's called Are We Cool.
It's set in 1994.
I'm really excited for it to come out.
1994?
I was 7.
So it was before your time.
It is my time.
Okay, I guess. Does that count?
Yeah, totally.
I remember Kurt Cobain dying.
Yeah, I do because my dad
took my Nirvana necklace and said
he's not a hero and threw it in the garbage
in front of my face.
Yeah, your dad's a real piece of work.
Yeah, it's definitely my time.
As much as I'd probably be like
oh yeah, 7, I don't remember any of that.
I remember that.
Definitely some powerful to remember.
I mean, it's funny to think of your younger self,
your child self.
Have you ever read something that you wrote
in that age and you're like, I wrote that?
Occasionally I found a notebook
from school or something.
And it was cool? No, but I was just surprised
at how much thought I had
sometimes. Yeah, I guess you do have
a lot of thought at that age.
This movie, I'm in the art department
for the first time.
Really? I'm an art department
PA and I
That sounds like a production assistant.
Yes, art production assistant.
And it is
so dang fun.
I love it so much that I am
scrapping my dreams
of becoming an actual producer
and I am going to pursue the art department
now. When we were having
the block parties
it was a lot of work to put together
and making trophies was my favorite part
and I really didn't get to make
very many trophies because
I was always doing the spreadsheets and managing
the volunteers and like
For those of you that don't know Emily had
a blockbuster party three years in a row
from CardFresh and
they shut down a block and
really they did block this.
We only shut down a block once but that's where the name
came from and then we had it in parking lots.
But it was an art show,
car show, proper
cocktails like we had a friend that owned
a bar that made this really great cocktail
menu for us
and then we also had automotive classes.
More than one we had quite a few
automotive classes.
So they were a lot to manage
Anyway, long story short
I was always the one not being able to
do the fun art stuff and then I thought
I would go into a career
not being able to do the fun art stuff
and now that I've worked in the art department
I'm like, no, this is what I want to do
what am I, yeah, so. Fantastic
Yeah, I'm really happy. You're honing in on
what you would like to do and that's good
That's great. Thank you.
I feel good about it. I've worked in the art department
I just wasn't told it was the art department
I was told I would be the lead fabricator
and then that was like some
leader of the art department
then later everybody was like, oh art department
and then I was like, you guys sold me this job
quite wrong
It's not what you said it was
I thought we were doing fabrication, no
I thought I was just doing the fabrication on the cars
and then I was like building the set
and I was like, what?
Oh, okay, you didn't know that you were
because people kept saying no to it
so they fibbed to me to get me to do it
Oh yeah, I guess they did, huh?
Yeah, they did a couple sets, didn't you?
Sure, I don't know
We made a show and that was what they got paid for
and so we did it and it was done
That's it, that's like all you can really say
You didn't get continued, if you get a second season
you could get ten seasons and we didn't get a second season
Yeah, I know, I wonder why
Huh
No rumors swirling around?
Nothing you can talk about on air
Sure, I could
I mean, nobody from that likes me
so it doesn't really make any difference
I mean, like
they didn't like me but I didn't like
most of the production company
because they
sort of go out of their way to insult the people
doing the physical work to be like
oh, you're expendable and I'm like
well, not really, we're specialists
like if you don't have people to do the physical work
you don't have a show and then they were like
why do you keep reminding us of that?
because you're jerks to us
but some people love that, they're fine with that
in that industry
it wasn't something I wanted to do
but why we didn't get a second season
I guess is the question
and that's hard to say
I was somewhat on screen
and I had just started to go through my transition
I had just started
so people hated me
people commented and said
you could tell some of these were English comments
because they were like just what petrol heads want
like nobody in America says petrol
they were like just what petrol heads want
or people would say
here comes the mental illness
or like I checked on the comments
that they'd put up on YouTube
of when we chopped that dodge van
and people were like talking about me
and they said I wonder if it chopped itself
and it's like
so yeah, people didn't like me
then we had Faye on there
so that's another one
it is progressive that they had you and Faye
so there's another woman, people probably didn't like Faye
I mean some people love Faye and that's a who knows
because like I think they have Faye on another show
and that goes great
I think that show does well
it's still going
so hard to say on that front
I think maybe people didn't like BC
because BC is black
but I mean BC is an immigrant
from Africa
so it's like
I don't know like BC is popular in drag racing
but then like other people told me personally
they were like I don't like that guy
and then I was like
I didn't really give them a window to tell me why
in that one instance where that person was like
not I like him and then I was like
I just kind of left it
maybe he's too pedantic, some people do say that
they think he's too pedantic so like I don't know
and then Tori, I mean what's wrong with Tori
Tori is the original myth buster
but I think that it
I think some of it is that it wasn't
in my opinion it wasn't like in the shop
DIY we're making stuff enough
like let's say you're starting an episode
and they're like okay how does this episode start
and then you're like oh
so and so
got a dozen eggs and they dropped them
and then they had this idea about why do eggs break
like that would be the kind of stuff they'd want to do
and I'd be like why don't you just be direct
and just say we're just going to do this because we're doing this to do this
and they're like no you can't do that
and I'm like why not just be real
and just be like we had a thought
we wondered and in myth busters
you have to create a question
and they talk about this in no such thing as a fish
they call it remote fish
where they will come up with the
in result first and work backwards
so we wanted to chop the
chop that van 12 inches
and so then we were like okay so what is the question
so
then you work on the question in the sense of
like
does
lowering the roof on your car
increase your overall top
speed
you know that's the kind of like
that's the myth you have to set up
you know lowering what is the myth
the roof on your car reduces your overall
top speed
well we did it we chopped it 12 inches
and the car went like 5 or 6 miles
an hour faster within a 1 mile distance
that's a big deal
that's a big deal and it only lost
like 50 pounds right so that one
we proved and that was good and that was factual
there were a couple others that were inconclusive
but anyway
I don't know or maybe people didn't
like me they were like nobody had any control
over you and it's like well I told
you I worked for myself for the last 9 years it might be
a little difficult for you all to work with me
like I'm not used to people
nobody had any control over you
yeah I'm not used to being managed
yeah I'm not surprised by that quote
me either I mean in hindsight
I could have behaved
differently in a lot of different ways and it probably
would have been a lot easier on my life
and everybody else I'll say that out loud
well alright
that's a mature thing to say
whether I go back and would do it again
you know what I mean differently
would I actually act? Probably yeah definitely
even though I had worked on other
TV shows I just wasn't
I just didn't know what I know now
yeah good learning experience
yeah but yeah I mean
to answer your question why didn't you get a second season
I don't know I think people don't like science
and they were just like
science show without Adam and Jamie
we don't care I mean yeah
how do you take like myth busters and then be like
I had silly myth busters with just Tori
I thought it was such a good idea
I did too but again
I just don't think that
you know people would make
I said this to the executive producer
like people would make comments on set and they'd be like
for science and I was like
you know when you guys say that you're like
you're making fun of science
I was like you're not doing it for science
you're just saying it's for science and in that way
like you're laughing in the face of what we're doing
and I was like it's counter
counterproductive to like
the overall mission
and I mean not BC BC's a chemist I don't know
personally as a science fan
I thought what we were doing on the day to day was really
good and as someone who loves cars
and the fabrication and everything it was
good but it's like
once the sausage is made it must have not
tasted very good because people didn't like it
so you sent me an image
on set you guys built
a faux wall that I was pretty shocked
that you were like no we just built this whole thing
because it fooled me
I'll say that you all like is a brick wall
and it had electrical panels on it and a window
that was boarded up with plywood
and a green metal window frame
and like it was
and the leaves at the bottom sold it
there was a big conduit drain like it was coming down from a roof
but it's not it's just fake
it's movie magic
it was for like a for real set
set it looked great
and all I did as far as the building was I held the walls
while they were screwing them together
because they had like the art director
and the construction guy had already painted them
and put them all up on the wooden armature
my big contribution
was I painted
every single staple
on the wall
I've worked with that brick board we used that on the
on the myth buster set and same thing we had like go back
and cover all the screws and paint moss
and the bricks and you know all kinds
like sponge the bricks a little bit
and you guys did that
and graffiti on it
they had already done all the sponging and stuff and then they did the graffiti
or they had already painted the bricks were already like
ready to go
and then we added graffiti and we had
everybody like almost all the actors
and like a bunch of the people that
we work like the workers everybody that's
the crew is what they're called
we gave them markers and had them go out on graffiti
itch everybody did kind of their own thing
but I yeah
because the staples are shiny
as you know
up to me I had the responsibility
of unshining everything and it was
took me like quite a while
and it was very tedious
but it was really fun
even though like
it was kind of meditative
you know just going around and there was two
I was either painting them a cream color or a red color
depending on where they were
Roger Corman would have left the
just left the staples
a movie champion Roger
I only say that because there's a scene
and
because they do a bunch of Roger Corman movies in
Mystery Science Theater 3000
and there's one that like there's a shot that is
so dark
I mean it's just like it's just a black screen
and they sort of do this like
PA type voice they're like
it looks pretty dark Mr. Corman
and they're like keep shooting
that's really funny
well I just think of that all the time
but like I think of that because the
Roger Corman movies are very like
how many movies he's done
they've had to just like
blaze through you know like
get this movie done but he is good
I mean right there is a direct correlation between
experience and skill
and now you got some more experience
now I got more experience
I also painted a room with splatter paint
that was really cool and then also
did a night where I did some set
dressing and that was
a lot of schlepping furniture
and we had to go like around like halfway around a block
because there wasn't any weird park
that was in front and upstairs
and I was
toughing so hard
towards the end of it I almost told him that I had
diminished lung capacity because I had pneumonia
you know what's funny is I saw this
video of this indie car driver
trying to push his car to finish the race
or a formula car not indie
a formula car and he like falls down
from exhaustion and somebody
in the comments was like cry baby
or like something like that
and like I hope the guy pushes car out of the road
a jeep like two weeks ago
and I like wanted to fall down
I was like God I need to do cardio
pushing a car is a lot yeah I thought the same thing
I went on a very fast
walk the next day
we got him to the curve
because he was stopped in the road and I stopped to help
and I just wanted to fall down
when I was done just like the formula
driver and it's funny that
people are cry baby and then it's like
it's hard I will say
some of my favorite parts though are like
one of the my favorite maybe
not the favorite thing but something that I also really appreciate
is that I don't have to do lockups
and lockups for those of you that
don't know are where you just guard
a door if they're filming
that you can't let anybody inside or you guard
a street or you guard
someone's driveway and you're just standing
there for hours
with a walkie with a walkie
yeah but you can't really use I mean you can't
the walkie they're like filming
so what are you up to yeah no you can't be talking
on the walkie yeah you can't go to
a different channel and talk you just are sitting
out there by yourself sometimes
in the cold sometimes in the rain for
hours okay so it totally sucks
it's real boring and
I don't have to slept tables around I'd rather
slept furniture than tables I guess
table is a furniture but tables for lunch
so anyway totally love it favorite I think
you should leave skits into it table oh
yeah what is
her job yeah my
job is no longer tables thank god
I know wow that's cool
that's great moving on up
that's good so if anybody out there
needs an art PA yeah so I
have a bunch of stuff on Johnny Z yeah I'm
excited to hear I want to go deeper into
DeLorean mm-hmm I was focusing
on the GTO but my notes are not
GTO focused I have this all the way
back to like DeLorean's born in 1925
wow is he
still alive too right I don't think so
no well he'd be really old
well he'd be really old I did mean to check
he'd be a hundred if he was
and I yeah I think yeah I think
that I think that was
mmm yeah oh five
so he's been dead for 20 years oh okay
so he made it to 80 yeah that's right
that's right I was watching the video and said he passed away at 80
like I didn't I remember that
silly me okay
DeLorean was born in 25 and
was drafted into World War two and
served for three years and was discharged
in 46 honorably at age
21 oh wow
he was such a little baby when he went in
yeah I mean there were people that lied
because they were like 14 and said they were
16 or whatever so they could go and fight
yeah that was a real
it was a real doozy
it was a very patriotic war
yeah it was a real doozy
things were a lot different back then I mean yeah
I like imagine being 17 and you're like
I'm gonna drive this B 21
yeah you know 17 or
25 or whatever
I'm gonna go somewhere where I probably
will die yeah I'm gonna go in a plane
because I love my country so much
you know leather jacket
yeah yeah different different time
definitely those are I mean
those are you know those people were
Faye Butler's mentors you know and that's one of my
mentors and like that was such a huge thing I mean
the World War two is how the GI bill
came to be you know because it couldn't pay
all those people and so then they like protested
on the White House lawn and eventually they were like okay
here's what we're gonna do you can go to college
we'll pay for it and that's where what developed the college system
and so hiring a World War
two or wasn't about
hiring somebody
because of necessarily the experience they
had it was because they would show up you knew they would
show up they had already showed up
to World War two and they did the damn job
right so you can hire a World War two
or back then you know you can hire a vet
and they would get shit done yeah but it is
a shame that we don't have those people
those minds because it wow craftsman
now
Delorean's dad was
he said he was a labor organizer
he said he was a union organizer
wow okay but he was a pretty mean guy
yeah nice to his mom
for him
so not a lot of good on that front
so what's interesting is that
when he got home from the war and like help out
his mom and stuff he did work at the local
public lighting commission as a draftsman
then he became a body man for Chrysler
like I don't know
he was in Detroit he was born in
Detroit okay so
it was funny in an interview that like
they asked them they were like was your
like
your dad was in the industry so were you just
gonna get in he's like well he's like my dad just worked
at the factory like my dad was a factory
worker he's like it's Detroit it's a one
industry town you either get in the industry
or you move
so very succinct statement you know what I mean
yeah them to be like well your dad
was in the industry and he's like my dad just worked
through the factory you know yeah well like
he was a designer so
anyway he was a draftsman but somebody
at Chrysler was like hey you should get into
our postgraduate system
in 1952 he got
a master's degree in automotive
engineering oh nice
okay yeah how little
I know that makes sense yeah yeah
and engineering's a big it's a lot
of schooling yeah
and a master's as well yeah so
he did a year at
Chrysler then
he
got poached by Packard
back to Packard back to your favorite
car company exactly I was doing
a little I was doing a little
I was trying to search Packard DeLorean
connection and see more about
it I do want to say that they hired him
in 53
and he was making
14,000 a year in 53
which was pretty high salary yeah
cause like
jeez we know people like
you know making 20 now
right yeah think about that
is he 27 or 28
at that point well okay
let's see so 46
he was 21
right and so then we fast forward
seven more years here so he's 28
28 and he's got himself
a job at Packard which is pretty cool
very cool to me he improved
the ultramatic transmission
and that became the twin ultramatic
transmission I think this is cool we did talk
about this in an earlier episode
but like Packard was one of the first
to have an automatic transmission next
to Buick and Oldsmobile so this ties
back into my statement when I was like
you know instead of it being BPO
Buick Pontiac Olds you get a Buick
Packard Olds
just taking Pontiac on the equation
period huh yeah and like Packard was doing
okay but like
Studebaker I guess
Studebaker had money and Studebaker went to
buy Packard but things were going bad at
Studebaker at the time I guess they were making
their way or whatever and it just like it
dragged both companies down and they're both
gone I feel like I saw
one video that said that Packard bought
Studebaker to save Studebaker but then I
heard it the other way around that Studebaker had made a
lot of money and was buying Packard
and Packard was like apparently
they were just rich and Packard was like you could buy us
it would help us out so I might have that
backwards which okay Packard
might have been failing and Studebaker tried
to save them and it took Studebaker down
because they didn't know
maybe how bad things were
it just sounds like neither were doing that
awesome yeah and then
all together it was a bad move
like if they'd left him alone what would have happened
I don't know
sounds like they would have gone down anyway
yeah I think they were going down
a bunch of money couldn't keep them up
so that some of that I got from this video
from DeLorean Tech I just want to like give credit
like some of that some
it was like a couple of guys from a DeLorean
club went down to a Packard
museum in Santa Ana, California
which is near
Orange County they went down to visit the
Packard's International Motor Car Club
in Santa Ana so in
54 Packard bought Studebaker
in an attempt to save the brand
see that's where this is where I'm a little mixed up
but they made them the fourth
largest automaker in America
wow so I'm
assuming you had the big three I'm assuming
we're talking about generically GM
as one automaker
and then Chrysler
Ford
and then Packard, Studebaker
wow
and it says that like when even when he came into
Packard like he dressed like a movie star
and people thought he was cool so apparently that far back
he was destined for greatness
yeah he was a big baller
I like that I like that he dressed like a
stud
yeah apparently he was an idea guy
I think that's very proven
idea guy yeah I mean that totally bore
out in the evidence
now it does talk about in
this is a good link
okay and maybe I'm bringing this up too early
oh my gosh
just created a new note
not a new note so Doc Brown
has a Packard
Custom 8 Victoria and loans it
to McFly for the enchantment under the
sea dance and back to the future
so there's another DeLorean
Packard connection
oh wow okay yeah
that kind of jumps the timeline
here a little bit but
I'm just kind of going through my notes
sorry this isn't like super fluid
but in 56
okay in 56
56 he was offered a job at GM
in any of their five divisions
I think Pete asked this call
oh he got to pick what division he wanted
to be in wow look at him
they approached him they really wanted him
they wanted him so he just
he never had to go out and look for a job he just got poached
yep he got poached in 56
he was offered a job at GM in any of their
five divisions his choice
with a salary of 16,000
he was making 14 at Packard
yep so this is 2k more
which is quite a bit you know
when your salary for a high up job like
that I think a good little cherry on top
to get you to move so yeah it gets poached
so
some of what's kind of missing in my notes
here are about how
like
basically the
GTO I feel like made DeLorean
because
they he would have sessions
with his crew at the tech center
like GM's got this big tech center
which was designed by the same guy that
designed
gosh I just read about a cool building
a piece of architecture maybe a bridge
that was designed in a
contest and the chosen one
was the same guy that did the GM
tech center
I think it was a bridge that I was reading about
anyway GM has a big tech center
and that's where Fay Butler would be employed
they would hire him every winter for eight years
to come in and talk to their employees about material science
just walk around and talk to people about
what they were doing so
DeLorean
is like messing around with all these cars
and then he's like
I wonder if we could take the 389
and put it
in the Le Mans
and so he gets his crew together
on a weekend as a team building
exercise and they put a 389
in the Le Mans
at the tech center and
GM didn't want this to happen
a little team building exercise
GM was already getting in trouble from racing
and like people getting hurt
and people getting killed in racing
they didn't want to get in trouble with Washington
and like have Washington make a bunch of laws
and be like
no more fast cars
finger wagging
a lot of finger wagging
they were like no motors over 330 cubes
in mid-sized cars
but they didn't say anything about small cars
and so like what they did
what I read
in that book engine that changed was that
if DeLorean had wanted to do this
as a new car
that it would have had to have been approved
and it would have gone across executive's
desks and they would have said no
you can't do that
so instead
it was a package
of the Le Mans
so the GTO was just an available
upgrade for like another $250
yeah not get right in there
nobody had to approve it
it was within the rules so
he was playing by the book
but actually
he was being sneaky
he was pulling a little smoky eunuch
much like what you brought to us in the last episode
about how they
gave you more than what you paid for
fudged on the horsepower
and so they put this 389
in there
and eventually the 389 made it to 400 cubes
the tri-power GTOs and stuff
I think what did we find in that last episode
that the tri-power made just a little bit less power
than the four-barrel
or the two four-barrels
I think we heard that note
anyway side fact
so let me get back into the things that I wrote down
but I just wanted to include that
also I did watch another GTO commercial
and
here's a quote from it
Pontiac didn't intend for GTO to stand for girls take over
but some GTO owners
have to guard against this
so it showed a couple of young ladies
getting into the GTO
and then it's like ladies like to go on shopping
and luncheons and whatever
in the GTOs but you know that you like it
for speed and handling
so it was
they were marketing to women and men
they were very much marketing to women as people that don't care
about driving cars
but just care about like
but I don't know the jungle one wasn't that two women
I watched a couple jungle ones
and one of them was
two women like going on a
safari or vacation or something
it's surprising because for all the talk
about cars that are advertised to women
I kind of don't remember the goat being in that
right but those commercials
did really speak to that
and it surprised me a little bit
because women couldn't even have their own
checking account yet
yeah that is interesting because that means they could
not really hardly buy a car
on their own
go take a hobby down
boy those times
it's fucked up
it's fucking stupid
it's really hard for us to imagine
but just as like modern women it's very hard
to imagine
what it would be like and I know things are still
messed up but yeah not that long ago
70 years
when did it when could you get a checking account
I think that started in the 70s
when you could
oh okay like in your own name
yeah in the 70s
like early 70s maybe
yeah so in my mom's
lifetime and like I think credit cards
are a little bit behind that
isn't that crazy
it's nuts it's crazy
it is it's really crazy
how do they even live
it's just fucked up
yeah
because if you have a job they assume you live at home
and you have a dad
what if you live with a single mom
what if you are a single mom and you're an orphan
I think that's the point
yeah it is oppression
yeah it's bullshit
it is bullshit
there's a chance to say that
neither we're saying it right now
it's bullshit
okay more
DeLorean
I kind of want to like roll backwards
into a few things here
okay so here's
because some of this is specifically about DeLorean Motor Company
so eventually
he got pushed up to the head
of Chevrolet
right okay and
that was after the GTO right
yeah but he like helped develop the Firebird
the Grand Prix and the GTO at Pontiac
all of which were wildly successful
yeah so eventually he's made the head
of Chevrolet which is like
kind of surprising because
you know he like
loved Pontiac
he was very big about Pontiac
and then he just abandoned it on the porch steps
at a firehouse
after that
he became
he would probably hate it if you said that
sounds like he seems like what he did
no he got promoted
he didn't say goodbye Pontiac
he could have fought and been like I want to be the head of Pontiac
I don't think so
I think in that engine to change
it had a little bit about why that didn't happen
they've twisted his arm
yeah with a hundred thousand
extra
so then he was a VP of
GM's car and truck production
and doing that
job he made about
two hundred thousand dollars a year with
annual bonuses of up to
four hundred thousand dollars a year
which basically comes to a salary of around
three hundred million today
three hundred million
I'm sorry three mil
oh okay
we'll never mind it's not that much
yeah sorry
a little bit of a flub there
that's a lot though
yeah three mil
damn
also
when he got married Lee Iacocca
president of Ford
was the best man at his wedding
how do you like that
that's hilarious
Iacocca was another one of these
he was like a rock and roller
he's a little more
he's very much a salesman
I feel like
other than like because like
Delorean is an engineer
you know oh right yeah yeah
he sees himself as such
Iacocca is a little more is a business guy
they're both idea guys but yeah I think he's a little more
business guy a little bit yeah okay
I do think both are cool
I personally
I don't get mad for people to be like
because okay
I guess I just don't get mad
there was a guy from Chrysler
in more recent times it got in trouble
something and I forget what it was
but people didn't like it
and that one of the guys from GM
I forget his name now one of the
higher ups one of the maybe the president
or like had just been a post president of GM
he said in an interview
he said all excellent people
have their quirks we just hope
they're not too illegal
so
you know like
it's all priced in my opinion
when you're dealing with these kinds of people
um
and I think some of that's because like
some of these people are sociopathic
right and like so sociopaths
their whole life is about their agenda
and nothing else and that's how they get to these places
so to some extent yeah I think some of this stuff
is priced in so here's some of the
wackiness so he left GM
in 72 he became
the VP of GM car and truck production
and he was passed up to be the president
because people got sick of his playboy
lifestyle they were like no
you're too unpredictable
so
you like to party too much
yeah 73 he left to create DMC
and
so then they wind up in Ireland with this plant
it took like 8 years for them to start getting cars made
and the sports car market
cooled off and there were a lot of
cost overruns on the car
Corvettes were cheaper than their car
so it kind of came out and people said meh
and so by 82
DMC was 175 million
in debt oh wow
and
you know so he got busted
moving coke it was like 50
pounds of coke for 24 mil so that wouldn't even
have solved his problems I saw this
interviewer where Jay
Leno was like nah I never own a
DeLorean he's like
he was like I saw the movie and he's like
him doing the thing with coke he's like he's just greedy
he's like he didn't have to do that
he could have financed his farm or something
he was like nah I don't he's like
he could have financed a farm
I guess he had his own farm
Jay wants a squeaky clean hero
he's like I did like the GTO when I was a kid
when I saw the movie about him and some other things
he's like I just was like nah it's a little
so he doesn't have a GTO either
I don't know
but yeah Jay Leno doesn't like that
like Jay Leno has never done some cocaine
I know right
I thought it was very interesting that he needed
DeLorean to be squeaky clean
shut up
they are so well known for not
doing drugs and drinking
yeah not they're just they
don't do any of that stuff
they play it so straight
definitely Jay Leno
all chin no drugs
the whole thing with the coke deal
was that he had a neighbor that
he had told him that he was doing poorly
and this guy Tim Hoffman
he was a criminal and an FBI informant
with the idea of helping him move the cocaine
and so DeLorean
DeLorean didn't have cocaine he offered it to him
so DeLorean
got off the charges because he'd been
entrapped by an FBI informant
because like basically his lawyer argued
DeLorean was vulnerable told this guy
he needed money and then the guy set him up
to get busted so it was entrapment
he was just sort of like oh here's a desperate guy
here let me create this ploy
so we can arrest you
so
we did get him out of it
that's kind of the part where I'm sort of like
I guess I would want to see the movie I'm surprised that Jay
was like I saw the movie
and then I learned some more about it
like movies aren't always very accurate
no yeah wait till somebody makes a movie about you dude
yeah exactly
probably somebody has already
I mean I've seen he's like
a little bit canceled sometimes because he made
a lot of Asian jokes in the 80s
yeah so nobody's squeaky
clean man
let's go down to Burbank
and tell him about it let's go catch him at
Aero Books and put him on
put him on coals
I kind of had some thoughts about
what DeLorean
had said about this
which was that like basically
he said an FBI agent was like
they're never going to stop coming after you
because then they tried to hit him
then they tried to hit him with like
investor fraud
because there was like money that was supposed to go to Lotus
that was a part of the parts
and then the guy that was with Lotus
he was like an engine guy at Lotus
he had a heart attack and died
one video said died mysteriously
and then I saw another video that said he had a heart attack and died
well mysterious heart attack
mysterious heart attack
sometimes you're mysterious
maybe heart attacks
didn't run in his family at all
and he was like a marathon runner
maybe he had a family history of surviving heart attacks
that might have been it
I can't believe this guy
I think it's the surviving part
it does seem mysterious
so in this interview that I saw
they were like oh there's charges being brought up in Geneva
about you or whatever and he was like
I don't know anything about that
in Switzerland?
is in Switzerland one of those countries that you can
hide your money and stuff?
I guess I don't know
I mean sure you know like yeah
that's where criminals go to hang out in Switzerland
yeah Deutsche Bank and stuff like that
Deutsche Bank is one that's really bad about it
that gets hit with the suspicious things
okay so eventually
he has to sell his house in Bedminster
to help pay off debt
guess who bought it
what's his face the Ford guy?
nope not Ayakoka
Jay-Z
no I'm just joking
Donald Trump
do you know what his house in Bedminster became?
Trump's golf course in Bedminster
he just tore it down?
oh oh
I mean I don't know maybe the house is the country club
yeah
crazy Trump bought it
oh it was like 434 acres
oh it was huge okay so that's why it became
434 acres
wow
so Trump buys it turns into this golf course
that Irish
were protesting it when he was just over there earlier this year
yeah
and I think people were like tearing up the grounds
and stuff on purpose
yeah that's too bad that his
story arc was so
then what happened?
well okay so there's more
and it's all
very interesting to me
but again I sympathize
with DeLorean
because it sounds like GM was pissed
that he split with their money
that they'd paid him all these years
for him they'd spent 20 years
making him and then he was like
I'm gonna go build a competing car
and then they were like
it
really does seem like they had it out for him
because he was like
he did say that when he was in prison
that somebody brought him a Bible and he's like I just read it
I just read it all the time
yeah because he came out super Christian
wait so he did spend some time in prison?
yeah in the interview
like they were asking him
about himself or whatever
and then they were like about his past
and he dated and stuff and he said
I've been reformed I like ugly women
slow cars and bad food
oh wow so
his interview is good
here's the thing you should keep in mind about this
right? okay
let's say sociopaths
and psychopaths
the difference is psychopaths have
dead people buried in the backyard
they're just expert manipulators
they're both expert manipulators but
psychopaths kill people
so
when you listen to this interview he's like
I've never done cocaine I've never been around
cocaine the people I hung out with
were like cocktails
and dinner parties
hard to believe
hard to believe
based on the way they portray the way he dresses
and stuff you'd expect him to be
also usually at rich people's
houses with cocktails and
stuff there's usually some cocaine floating around somewhere
he's never even been around somebody doing it
right so then you have the question you have to be like
okay is this guy manipulating all of us
and is he just really good at it
well he's a schmoozer
he's a lifetime schmoozer
but I still sympathize with him
yeah I think the cocaine thing is lame
in this interview that I watched
they were bugging him about having plastic surgery
and stuff like this and he's like I had my nose
straightened because I got it broken playing basketball
at times and he said that he had
a piece of impacted bone in his jaw
and he's like I had it removed but he's like it wasn't
that great you know whatever
so he kind of like
he kind of fought
this you know back
and forth
okay now I want to move on
because
not move on but like in this story
itself right so he's been busted
he's ruined right he's lost
his because he had a super
model wife okay right so he like
loses her
gosh
Cara Kathy Hera maybe
or something okay I didn't
sorry he was 24 years
older than her so he was getting grilled in this interview
about that
but then he was like yeah Pete Estes was
that was one of the guys that hired him
or was over him at Pontiac or with him at Pontiac
and he was like his wife was
he was 25 years older than his wife
and he's like the other guy
the head Ed Cole the head of
GM at the time he's like
he was 24 years older than his wife
that's what these guys do this with these super rich guys
do yeah yeah of course
well that's not shocking I mean
she was they were like how old was she when you met her
as 17 18 he was like
22
so she was legal
that's I mean four years past 18
like that's her choice
and he was cool and loaded
yeah why not
I'm not I just I'm just saying I'm not
I don't want to put any judgment
on her or DeLorean
and again like people and money
just sort of what they do
that's what happens yeah I mean
who's that
Leonardo DiCaprio won't date
girls that are over 25
really oh is that like an urban legend
though I think he finally broke his rule
but yeah he was known for breaking up with
girls on their 25th birthday I think
that messed up
what a douchebag
that's messed up yeah
so the thing is
that back to the future sort of saved his
legacy or the DeLorean
legacy for DMC
and him but he didn't get paid
anything for having his car in the movie
really yeah wow
zero didn't make any money off of that
so they were like we'll make your car
at least look kind of cool
I think that he loaned them cars
I think that they had cars
unsold from the factory
in Ireland
and that he still had some way
some sort of possession of them
because he didn't sell the company
he just went down with the ship
one of the things he said in the interview
he goes you know he's like a logical person
would have just said this isn't working
we just give up and we're out of business
he's like but my ego I was so far in
that I was not going to give this up
he was like I didn't want it to fail
to win he's like I hadn't fought all this
time and worked to get all this and to be
here to give up
you know especially in the competitive car
market that's admirable
it is and I get it because that's me
like that's like I was talking about earlier
in the show about about like when I worked
on the TV show and I was like well now
I would do it all differently
because I have the knowledge right
and so like for him he's like I'm different
he's like after having been through all
of this and
he's like yeah I would have just said
okay we're just done it just isn't going to work
and just give up on it and you just close it
wow
yeah I mean that part
well that is admirable that you just stuck it out
like a pit bull
I mean I feel bad I think that something
like I saw a thing people talking about
Kanye like people were talking about like
this guy's obviously having a mental episode or whatever
and I saw somebody else that
like I think Cat Williams was like you know y'all
cheered him on while he was doing all this crazy stuff
and you're like oh look at this poor guy
you know like he's like
maybe we shouldn't do that to people
when they look like things aren't going good
don't keep encouraging them to do bad things
right just for
your entertainment so that later you can be like
oh that poor guy
so that sort of feels
like that where like
to some extent where they're just sort of like
oh poor DeLorean
but like I don't know maybe nobody
could have helped him or stopped him at the time
let me see let me dig through my notes a little bit more here
because there is a little more
oh let's see
cocaine back to the
future
now it does say in it
that was really funny
cocaine back to the
future gto
supermodel wife
in 94 he filed a patent for a raised monorail
support that apparently never got used
so that's interesting because that speaks like
he was doing something
there was
a DeLorean alpha 5
concept
and there was some pictures of it
so
I don't know where that kind of stands but the
images kind of looked like a tesla
DeLorean hybrid
maybe they were just AI
slop I don't think so
this wasn't like
I don't think it was an AI video
oh maybe it was
one of the videos I watched really irked me
because they had clips from
Wolf of Wall Street
Iron Man
they were just using all of these clips to
give the emotions of what the story they were telling
because there wasn't much of DeLorean
and then there were clips from
the movie driven like the DeLorean movie
it was super obnoxious
to like to see the Wolf of Wall
Street clip and it was like this is totally
irrelevant
I think I'm hitting
the end here
and I think it is important
that Back to the Future did kind of save the
legacy of the DMC
because otherwise I don't think people would really remember it
really it's such a cool looking car
yeah
I just don't think I think it would just be like
it would be like the Mercedes
Gullwing car where people are just occasionally
mention that like oh yeah there's a Mercedes
Gullwing car and there's DeLorean
and then there's Lambos and that would sort of be it
what else would you talk about a DeLorean for
you'd be like oh yeah
there's another stainless car aside from the
Cybertruck
yeah you know
or if people talk about crappy v6's
was it a v6 yeah
oh okay yeah
yeah because I covered Doc Brown
having the Packard in there
and then um
yeah that's pretty much it that's what I got okay sorry
that I don't have a neat little bow tie to wrap that up
but I think my wrap
up on that is it like I think DeLorean
was super cool when I read the GTO
story I didn't know that nobody had ever
told me that yeah
and that GTO
story is really what a punk rocker
story about them being at the tech center
and putting the 389 in the car
like that's the kind of thing that I'm like God I wish
I could be the not just a fly
on the wall I'd want to be somebody on his team
that he was like okay come in on Saturday
we're gonna come to the tech center and do this yeah
like I remember I ran into
a Grand National Roadster show I saw Larry Erickson
who's a GM designer
or a Detroit designer in general
that Faye would talk about sometimes
and like he had his Bonneville car there
super cool and I was telling him
like it'd be cool to like
get to work at Detroit and work on like cutting
edge stuff and learn about that and he goes yeah
you know the problem with Detroit though
is all the layers of management it's like it's just so
hard to do anything everything's stuck
and stacked my sort of like wrap up
with DeLorean I'm sorry that like
my story kind of like tapers off there
you know I'm just
that's because it was the end it's the end of the story
yeah you know I mean you know how we do this
we just talk about what's interesting to us
but anyway I think DeLorean rules
the GTO them jamming that motor in there
I mean the GTO stuff
it would have been so cool to have been around
even to be a kid
to work at GM when they had like the tiger
display and the executive came in
and hated the tiger's display and the lobby
the tiger thing was so cool though
oh my god the whole thing is cool
and to be the person that like created that
buzz yeah oh my god
that's I mean that speaks so much
I really think the arc of the story
here is that like
GM didn't like that he left
they cultivated him
Detroit cultivated him and then he was like
no I'm gonna go make cars in Ireland
nobody else would have him
that was one of the things he did talk about
they were like why there and he was like
nobody wanted to have us anywhere else
it wasn't gonna happen
and the UK wanted to give the money
and then he said that they got
he's like we were approved the money
by the Labour Party and then they went out
and the Conservative Party got voted in
and then they didn't want to give us the money
so they shorted us 93 mil right off the bat
that's where part of our problems came from
so that is a little piece of the story
but I think yeah I think GM didn't like it
and he said that the government was just
gonna keep coming after him after the cocaine thing
yeah you know they hit him on the
fraud and I think that didn't work out either
but yeah he became Christian
and that saved his life in a way he thinks
and he talked about
he did say that yeah I have a lot of stress
and I have some worry
he's like but when I go to see my daughters
I am very happy and he's like
when our sheep dog jumps up and licks my face
he's like all of that goes away
for a little bit
oh sheep doggy
yeah I thought that was really sweet
you know I think there's a person there
oh I think so too
I think it's hard to think
about somebody like when you have that much power
and then you become persecuted for
so long or whatever
yeah you rise to the top and then you get
shot down so hard
yeah sure I mean Wesley Snipes went to prison
over tax evasion three years
oh I didn't know that
I know I didn't either I read that a little while back
and I was like what
that's my DeLorean
story I thought that deserved a deeper
dive and like
honestly if I find the engine to change book
I could almost one day later do another dive again
there's more details on the GTO
story in there
that's a great read though again if anybody
like if you want a book to read this winter
engines to change
pick it up it's got the F-150
becoming the best selling vehicle in America
obviously number one truck
it's got GTO and DeLorean
it's got Porsche
and it's got BMW
and this is the last chapter
oh wow it's still good
it's pretty modern
and it's got a great section on Honda
I think it's a really good read
so yeah engines to change
we ordered it in when we were doing our engine class
and I kind of like
peeked through some of it and I was like wow this is sick
and I read it and then who knows
maybe we gave it away in a later class
I don't know
I think you kept it because you read it
I thought so too I thought I was going to keep it
oh it had the Jeep story in it
you know the Jeep being made by
American Bantam in Butler, Pennsylvania
yeah I think it just got
I think it's just lost in the shop
I think it's lost in my bedrooms
so
that's me that's my problems that's my stories
for the week
you've been piled up
fish chip piled up
thanks for listening
have a great day bye
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