A lively discussion unfolds around the Jeep's storied history, with Tanner from the Rolling Death Van Club sharing his unique perspective. The hosts debate the cultural significance of Jeeps, touching on everything from their military origins to their quirky accessories. The episode features humorous anecdotes from recent van events, including a psychedelic experience at Vantababy. As they navigate through Jeep controversies and personal preferences, the conversation highlights the camaraderie within the vanning community and the deeper connections formed through shared automotive passions.
This week our first token man guest Tanner! Tanner is an ultra talented sign painter, owner of a Corvair and a downright sweet heart. We finagled him into talking about his least favorite subject the storied history of Jeep.
"It was a VW bug. Yeah, you think it's the bug, new beetle new beetle. Yeah, like the N64 beetle. I don't know what it's called."
The Volkswagen Beetle, often called the 'Bug', is a small car that has a very recognizable round shape. The New Beetle is a newer version that was made to look like the original but with modern features.
The Volkswagen Beetle, also known as the 'Bug', is an iconic compact car that has been produced in various forms since the 1930s. The New Beetle, introduced in the late 1990s, is a modern reinterpretation of the classic design.
"Well, there was a I think it was started with the Wagoneer, which is a part of where I started in with this story. I think the Wagoneer really brought in where people started being corny."
The Jeep Wagoneer is a large SUV that has been around for many years. It's known for being good for off-roading and has a classic look that many people like.
The Jeep Wagoneer is a full-size SUV that was first introduced in the 1960s and is known for its classic design and off-road capabilities. It has a significant place in automotive history as one of the early luxury SUVs.
"And the American Bantam fell into this. We start with American Bantam. That's it
Butler, Pennsylvania where I used to go to remember Butler great van event started in the 70s as Butler then came back as"
American Bantam was a car company in the United States that made small cars a long time ago. They are also known for helping create the Jeep, a popular off-road vehicle.
American Bantam was an American automobile manufacturer known for producing small cars in the early 20th century. They were notable for their role in the development of the Jeep during World War II.
"So the whole deal of the American Bantam is it was American Austin and they were supposed to make Austin Healy's
And I did not know that. Yeah, and it didn't work out."
The Austin Healey is a type of sports car that was made in Britain. It was known for being fast and looking good, and many people loved driving it.
The Austin Healey is a classic British sports car produced from the 1950s to the 1970s, known for its performance and stylish design. It became a symbol of British motoring during its time.
"So the whole deal of the American Bantam is it was American Austin and they were supposed to make Austin Healy's
And I did not know that. Yeah, and it didn't work out."
Austin was a car company from Britain that made different types of cars, including sports cars. They were popular many years ago but are no longer in business.
Austin was a British car manufacturer that produced a variety of vehicles, including the Austin Healey sports cars. The brand was well-known in the mid-20th century but eventually ceased operations.
"...Yeah, Willie's overland gave it a shot, too..."
Willys Overland was a car company that made the Jeep, which was used by the military during World War II. They were important in providing tough vehicles for the war effort.
Willys Overland was an American automobile manufacturer that played a significant role in producing military vehicles, including the Jeep, during World War II. They were known for their rugged vehicles that suited military needs.
Jeep is a brand of cars that are built to be tough and can go off-road. They were first made for the military during World War II and are now popular for everyday driving and adventures.
The Jeep is a brand of vehicles known for their off-road capability and rugged design, originally developed for military use during World War II. The term 'Jeep' has become synonymous with this type of vehicle, often used for both military and civilian purposes.
"...Model A's he did help out with sourcing stuff for the people's car. Not great. Yeah, not great..."
The Ford Model A is a classic car made by Ford in the late 1920s and early 1930s. It was more advanced than the earlier Model T and was popular for its price and features.
The Ford Model A was a popular car produced by Ford Motor Company from 1927 to 1931. It was known for its affordability and was a significant improvement over its predecessor, the Model T.
The Ford Cougar is a car that Ford made, known for being stylish and sporty. It was produced for several decades and was popular among drivers looking for a fun vehicle.
The Ford Cougar is a mid-size car that was produced by Ford from 1967 to 2002. It was known for its sporty design and performance, often sharing platforms with other Ford models.
"...so they do the Jeepster also which is like this weird like two-door..."
The Jeepster is a type of Jeep that looks like a small convertible car. It was made a long time ago and is different from the usual tough Jeep models.
The Jeepster is a model produced by Jeep in the 1940s and 1950s, known for its unique design that combined elements of a convertible with the ruggedness of a Jeep. It was aimed at a more lifestyle-oriented market compared to traditional off-road vehicles.
"...Willys they come out with the CJ the civilian Jeep right..."
The Jeep CJ is a type of vehicle that was made for regular people after it was first used by the military. It helped make the Jeep brand popular with everyday drivers.
The Jeep CJ, or Civilian Jeep, was a series of vehicles produced by Jeep starting in the 1940s. It was designed for civilian use after the military's use of the original Jeep during World War II, and it played a significant role in establishing the Jeep brand in the consumer market.
Concept
CJ
"So what is the xj is that for experimental people? Yeah, purely for experimental people or extraordinary people..."
The CJ stands for Civilian Jeep, which was made for regular people after the military used Jeeps in the war. It was designed for everyday driving and outdoor activities.
The CJ, or Civilian Jeep, was developed to cater to civilian users after the military's use of the Jeep during World War II. It marked a significant shift in the Jeep brand, focusing on recreational and everyday use rather than military applications.
Term
XJ
"So what is the xj is that for experimental people? Yeah, purely for experimental people or extraordinary people..."
The XJ is a model of the Jeep Cherokee that was made from 1984 to 2001. It's known for being strong and good for off-roading.
The XJ refers to a specific generation of the Jeep Cherokee, produced from 1984 to 2001. It is known for its unibody construction and off-road capabilities, becoming a popular choice among SUV enthusiasts.
The 258 engine is a type of engine used in some Jeep models. It's known for being strong and reliable, especially for driving on rough terrain.
The 258 engine is a 4.2-liter inline-six engine produced by Chrysler for Jeep vehicles. It is known for its torque and reliability, making it a popular choice for off-road enthusiasts.
"tanner has The mighty might or something with the jeep engine in it. So it's a 1966 international harvester Metrobike that has a 258 in it."
The International Harvester Metro is an old delivery vehicle from 1966. It's known for its boxy shape and was often used for transporting goods.
The International Harvester Metro is a vintage vehicle known for its unique design and utility. It was popular for various commercial uses, especially as a delivery vehicle.
"So that motor was put in gremlins amcs. Yep, because midway through this life amc owns jeep."
The AMC Gremlin is a small car made by AMC in the 1970s. It had a distinctive look and was one of the first small cars sold in America.
The AMC Gremlin was a compact car produced by American Motors Corporation (AMC) from 1970 to 1978. It was known for its unique styling and was one of the first subcompact cars in the U.S.
"...was the corvair one of my sweetest little angels of the Chevy era..."
The Chevrolet Corvair is a car made by Chevrolet that was produced in the 1960s. It had a unique design with the engine in the back, which made it different from most cars at the time.
The Chevrolet Corvair was a compact car produced by Chevrolet from 1960 to 1969, notable for its unique rear-engine layout and distinctive design. It was often discussed for its handling characteristics and safety issues, particularly highlighted by consumer advocate Ralph Nader.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a well-known sports car made by Chevrolet. It's famous for being fast and powerful, especially models with big engines.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a popular American muscle car known for its performance and sporty design. It has been in production since 1966 and is often associated with powerful V8 engines.
"...it's called the thrift power six. Yeah, and they rip they're way snappier and they're way more responsive..."
Thrift Power Six is a type of engine made by Ford that is designed to be both powerful and fuel-efficient. It's a good choice for people who want performance without using too much gas.
The Thrift Power Six is a series of six-cylinder engines produced by Ford, known for their balance of power and fuel efficiency. They were designed to provide a good driving experience while being economical.
Car
Jeep Maverick
"...they released the surrey and the jeep maverick station wagon. Okay, and we're it's like willies motors now..."
The Jeep Maverick is a type of car that was made by Jeep in the 1950s. It was designed to be a family-friendly station wagon but didn't sell well.
The Jeep Maverick is a station wagon variant that was released in the mid-1950s, associated with the Willys-Overland company. It was part of a series of vehicles that aimed to appeal to a broader market, including families.
"...happened to punks Especially if it was like jeep wrangler agro Do you think that the government would accu..."
The Jeep Wrangler is a tough-looking vehicle that can drive on rough roads and trails. People love it because it's great for adventures and has a classic style that many recognize.
The Jeep Wrangler is a compact SUV known for its rugged design and off-road capabilities. It has a strong following among outdoor enthusiasts and is often discussed for its iconic status and versatility in various terrains.
"So In 63 those turkeys created the wagon air, which I think is one of the best SUV"
The Lucid Air is a new electric car that looks really fancy and can go a long way on a single charge. It's part of a growing trend of electric vehicles that are trying to be as nice as traditional luxury cars.
The Lucid Air is a luxury electric sedan that has gained attention for its impressive range and high-end features. It represents a new wave of electric vehicles aiming to compete with established luxury brands.
"From amc Which is where they had created the Cherokee. They had 51 ownership and stock And the apache...."
The Jeep Cherokee is a smaller SUV that can handle rough roads but is also good for daily driving. It's been around for a long time and is popular for its versatility.
The Jeep Cherokee is a compact SUV that has been in production since the 1970s, known for its blend of off-road capability and everyday usability. It has evolved over the years, making it a significant model in Jeep's lineup.
"...Yeah. Yeah god merged this Yeah, so they had the jeep brand for 17 years until 1987 And also I saw but renau..."
The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a bigger SUV that offers both comfort and the ability to go off-road. It's great for families and people who like to explore nature.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a mid-size SUV that combines luxury and off-road capability, making it a popular choice for families and adventurers alike. It has undergone several redesigns and improvements since its introduction in the early 1990s.
"Is they're like iconic thing that they do that's the jeep for the jeep like the wranglers and all that stuff Yeah, they did a j-10 which is a truck j-20 Can't remember what that was cj-5 renegade cherokee"
The Jeep J10 is an older pickup truck that was built to be tough and useful for work. It's not as common today but is liked by people who collect classic vehicles.
The Jeep J10 is a pickup truck produced in the late 1970s and early 1980s, known for its ruggedness and utility. It represents Jeep's foray into the truck market and is appreciated by collectors today.
"...s a truck j-20 Can't remember what that was cj-5 renegade cherokee sj Cherokee chief sj they did a lot of ..."
The Jeep Renegade is a smaller SUV that's easy to drive around town but still has the ability to go off-road. It's popular with younger people who want a fun and stylish car.
The Jeep Renegade is a subcompact SUV that combines the brand's off-road heritage with a more city-friendly size. It appeals to younger buyers looking for a stylish and capable vehicle.
"...uspension I thought like oh, I thought about the pacer and how revolutionary it was And it's weird litt..."
The AMC Pacer is a small car from the 1970s that looks very different from most cars. It's known for being roomy inside and has a fun, unusual style that makes it memorable.
The AMC Pacer is a compact car produced in the 1970s, known for its unique design and spacious interior. It has become a cultural icon, often discussed for its quirky appearance and role in automotive history.
"...uck AMC was a big deal. Yeah. AMC kicked ass the javelin the gremlin the hornet The jeep. Yeah, they got ..."
The AMC Javelin is a classic sports car that was made to be fast and stylish. It's part of a group of cars called muscle cars and is still loved by car fans today.
The AMC Javelin is a pony car produced in the late 1960s and early 1970s, known for its sporty design and performance. It was part of AMC's effort to compete in the muscle car market and remains a classic among enthusiasts.
"...oing to say the same hit story landed on the fort explorer. Remember the tires? Yeah, the explorer. Oh, yea..."
The Ford Explorer is a family-friendly SUV that has lots of room for passengers and cargo. It's been around for a long time, but some older models had problems with their tires.
The Ford Explorer is a mid-size SUV that has been a popular choice for families since its introduction in the early 1990s. It is often mentioned for its spacious interior and versatility, but it also faced issues with tire blowouts in earlier models.
"I didn't want to go into them because that's fiat. It's in yep fiat"
Fiat is a car company from Italy that makes different types of cars, including small and family cars. It's been around for a long time.
Fiat is an Italian automotive manufacturer known for producing a range of vehicles, from compact cars to larger family vehicles. The brand has a rich history and is part of the larger Stellantis group.
"... fun There was a cool corvette. There was a cool eldorado. That's what yeah the corvette and the yeah, you'..."
The Cadillac Eldorado is a fancy car that was made for people who wanted style and comfort. It was popular for many years and is known for being a symbol of luxury.
The Cadillac Eldorado is a luxury coupe that was produced from the 1950s to the early 2000s, known for its elegant design and powerful performance. It represents Cadillac's commitment to luxury and innovation, making it a significant model in American automotive history.
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Happy Wednesday
Welcome back to the pile up
The pile up I'm the queen
We have a token man with us today token man token man
Talking man. Do you want to do you want to introduce our token guests man?
Tanner do you want to introduce Tanner?
well
Tanner can introduce Tanner and
I
Think I'm in the Tanner mode
Because I just came off of Vantababy and I am the representative of rolling death right now for this episode and
Oh, I didn't know you're bringing a whole van club. Yeah, I am bringing the van club. We love rolling death. Yeah. Oh, I love rolling death myself
Yeah, that's why I'm a part of it. You should you're in the club
Is that a specific rule for the whole group like you have to go down on record is saying you love the club
Yeah, it's an absolute part of our charter where you have to say you love it
Like there's a clubhouse wall and then it's like a photo of each of you at the moment that you said you love the club
And that you can just barely see the gun
Saying I love it. I just love it so much
No, I'm thankful to have you all have me Tanner from rolling death van club here to talk about
One of my most despised vehicles that's ever existed
The Jeep
It's a four-letter word for sure. I like him though. Oh, okay. You don't see it as like a derogatory four-letter word
No, I love a Jeep. It's like a really good four-letter word like good
Beer
Dick, I think it's a brand. I think it's iconic. I think it's the wraparound Oakley sunglasses as a vehicle
Well, oh my god, you might not be wrong, but I guess that means I like wraparound Oakley's sunglasses
Also wraparound sunglasses have been real hot with like the rave crowd lately. Well, that doesn't mean they're right
Fresh off of Vanna, baby. How does it feel?
Vanna, baby was
Exceptionally nice. I think this year. I think that we had a really fucking killer time
Cody and Whitney really hosted. Well, they're just came down. Oh, they have such a beautiful homestead and honestly
With the coloring and the gift bags. We really turned it up last night
And I found myself trapped in my van confused and bewildered. It's not because of mushrooms, but
Some just only part of the times it could have been
Coloring were you doing? Oh all the coloring so basically we had a van that was colored
And it was a penis working on the van and inside the motor was a vagina
I'm not sure if you've heard of these things before. Oh, did somebody draw that?
Custom that sounds like something that's absolutely was this a drawing or was this an icing on like a cake
You could say you could ice a cake with that. I think it's called
So what else was this did this take place like I'm imagining you I'm
Imagining you in a jacuzzi
well, you'd think I was in a jacuzzi, but really I was just in a
Fever dream of my own anxiety because I had taken too many mushrooms as I have mentioned before
Those mushrooms can cause a lot of things. There was
Farpid for fever dream man club. Yes. Wow. That was like kind of a joke. That was a joke, right? subtle
No, they had the fire pit rocking they had the fucking
Hot tub rolling. There's a hot tub there. Oh, yeah, they were moving and jiving. It was such a good time
We got pancake breakfast in the morning. Oh, wow
Oh, we drive I bought so many toys. I just want to take them home with me
Sounds like a really good one this year. It was a fun one. Yeah. Mm-hmm. We truly had a good time
Well, I'm sorry that we couldn't be there, but I've heard it's really damn cold
And I want to be like a lizard on a hot rock
You are a lizard on a hot rock, but honestly, I think it's not as cold as people say it's gonna be really it was not that bad
Yeah, I guess it's been unseasonably warm the last couple days. Yeah
That was rocking and rolling. Sorry for being a wimp
Are you though? I'm just no I just don't this fans not insulated yet. So yeah, I still have you know that external body panel
It's not on so it's kind of why
Don't build any interior stuff still hammering to do. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so the van's just like it. Oh my god
It's like sleeping outside. Yeah, it's so cold. I went the first year and it was really cool. It was a lovely time
Was that when you all got the Airbnb? Yeah, I got an Airbnb with Gina Dean and Rizzo. That sounds great
I don't yeah
I would have that while I slept on the crazy trundle bed, but it was cool that I got included at all
That was awesome. I was very happy to be there
But there's only like one Airbnb in that house this time in that place this time of year
This is haul season for for those who are listening who aren't vanners in the winter months your van clubs have hall parties
You go and like get a VFW haul or whatever and party, you know for the night and then everybody drives home drunk
Well, that's the thing I love about left lane and fever dreams that they're putting something on this time of year and
Honestly, it's such a fucking great event. There's so much fun. It's
Wholesome and not like saying like wholesome in the sense that like kids are involved
Wholesome in the sense that it makes you mushrooms in your van
Yeah, it makes you branch community with your friends and like you're taking time to really build connections
And that's like the core of the vanning scene in here. Yeah, which I appreciate that about them
That's what I liked about Midwest Vannon that wasn't really present when you go to the West Coast was like
The because the pace of life is slower in the Midwest. You're like, yeah, I'm taking a weekend and I'm gonna go
Take it real easy with some friends
Like California, you're like, I think we can go
I think we've got about three hours on Saturday that we can spend and then we need to get home and get ready for working again
Yeah, everybody's trying to cram it in such a short amount of time like how can we pack three days into two days?
Mm-hmm, and that's what I love about like our events as well as fever dreams
Rolling death van club van club rolling coffins up there
Let's turn it into a day or two more
Mm-hmm and take our freaking time. Yeah, that's what I like to allow
That's what I think when I really got into going to like Van Nationals
I was just shocked the way that you could feel, you know
Like we would go for a Wednesday through Sunday and then eventually it gets where we would go Sunday through
Sunday
You know, it's like or Monday through Sunday. We just wanted more time
That's styling, you know, like if you think about where you're like, yeah, we're just gonna we're just gonna pass the day
We're gonna eat hot dogs and drink beer
That's a nice day. I mean not everybody has to eat hot dogs. Some people don't at all like some people are anti-hat no judgment
So I've heard yeah
Well, all I know is I'll eat the hot dog. I want this to go on record
I'll eat the hot dog Kristen
I eventually banned ourselves from buying the cheapest hot dogs possible and we were like we cannot
Disrespect ourselves this hard
Like we ruled out 99 cent hot dogs
Wow, like no, no
No more bar ass we would occasionally drive past their factory
I think when we go through or like go across 70 and we'd be like drop in and pick up a pallet. They're only 25 bucks
Jess had a video of like one of those hot dog cookers that you put it on to spikes and it completes the electrical circuit
It's like the electric chair for hot dogs
I was like I
Just was like my friend inside of hot dogs. Yeah, Jess was like might be a good way to burn the house down
I was like, I don't care bring them over
She's like, I don't know the doll might not like that. I was like, I don't care
It's the way to cook a hot dog. That's twisted. It's unnatural. It is really it's the 80s though
What was the fella that electrocuted an elephant?
Yeah
Then acquired and then killed you know, is that elephants named topsy according to bombs burgers. It was
named topsy. How dare you come at us with a statement like that. Oh
I dared
No, no, no way to back it up. I did I just said I didn't research Thomas Edison's elephants at all for this episode
Sorry that I came with facts
You're the only person that came with facts
What am I to do I showed up drunk
You're not wrong
studied my elephants I
Made an outfit once I think what's really cool about Vanta, baby is it's two very small band clubs that put on a
Really big party. I mean as far as like I know the year that I went there was a ton of people there
But also just the volume in which the cool little things and the touches that they do
It's their production. They put into it. It's big in production. Yeah. Oh, yeah
thousand percent. Yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent because
They really approach that where there's no
Cost-barred it's like they're putting all their effort into it. Yeah, they put a lot of it
The best and most special van events. Yeah, the year truly and there's only two people in each club, right?
Totally
Just throwing this epic holiday party, I just it's really special. Oh a wonderful holiday party, and it's not one of those things
We're like, oh, it's a
Holiday party towards the end of year. I guess we'll go. No, this is an event to be going to
This is a place to be seen at I was gonna say it's
I didn't realize that. Oh, it's great. Nobody told me that. Oh
Cody and Whitney and fucking Jess and Nick and
Dean and oh, they're all sweethearts. Yeah
Every one of them when you read that out, I just imagine their names on stockings. Yeah, I
Imagine their names on stockings to my stockings
As I kick them off because I'm too wasted
Whoa
Jeep controversy
Emily demands Emily demands judgment reference material
For how many what is the body count there of for Jeep?
How many people have owned Jeep's ass
How many people have put it in Jeep's company whoa, how many people have been inside a Jeep
How many people have done been jeeped up?
How many people have
Designed a Jeep that's not that one was stupid. Sorry. Yeah, five or six either way that nerds
Yeah, we didn't mean to stumble into this territory because it's a really dangerous territory Jeep territory
Yeah, because it's super tribal and
I think that it's
Definitely risky business, but we're gonna wait in as people
who
Okay, Emily likes Jeep Tanner doesn't like Tanner hates Jeep and I would say I'm indifferent to
Like it. I think you're in the middle corn balls that like eyelashes and angry eyes
And they also like accessories that are plastic Tanner contends that the eyelash
accessory started on the Jeep
And I'm gonna say that's not true. It was a VW bug. Yeah, you think it's the bug
New beetle new beetle the new beetle. Yeah, like the N64 beetle. I don't know what it's called
Pretending that I did
Well, there was a I think it was started with the Wagoneer, which is a part of where I started in with this story
I think the Wagoneer really brought in where people started being corny. Hmm. I don't think anybody's put an eyelash on a wagoneer
Not a one
Cars in drag the Wagoneer
Next time you see one you better take a photo and send it to me because I don't believe you
Next time I go to grassham. I'm gonna take a picture. Yeah, do it
I'll give you four dollars if you find one four whole dollars. Yeah, Ford whole dollars
Exactly so we're charged with doing a deep dive to really look at our own version of how many people have owned
Jeep. Yeah, but we're not giving you the question or we're not giving you the answer to the brain buster
You'll just have to figure it out. You're gonna have to wait till Friday. Yeah, and listen to the brain buster
You're not gonna get the answer
This is called foreshadowing and
May contain something known as subtext
Perhaps
But we're trying to build a frickin subtext, huh? Okay, so look here's the deal with Jeep is
Uncle Sam needed a freaking Jeep
So I've heard, you know, I've heard it was World War two. Yeah
I mean things got a little hairy Germany kind of got a little how do we say this a little bit of a momentum going and
1940 started to get a little bit scary and the government reached out to
You know car makers aka some real losers
Wound up in this. Oh, wow stated in Paul and grassy as engines of change
She was like this would either be for someone who is profoundly confident or utterly desperate
And the American Bantam fell into this. We start with American Bantam. That's it
Butler, Pennsylvania where I used to go to remember Butler great van event started in the 70s as Butler then came back as
Remember Butler and did that for a long time. It's now ended. So I think the next one is remember remember Butler
But that's also where a famous assassination attempt took place on
Donald Trump. That's right or infamous Butler, Pennsylvania
It's the year snip. Yeah, and that's where American Bantam lived
So the whole deal of the American Bantam is it was American Austin and they were supposed to make Austin Healy's
And I did not know that. Yeah, and it didn't work out. That's an interesting little tidbit of Austin doesn't exist anymore
Austin powers only
That's all they got out of it
Interesting it only took yeah, it only took 40 years to mature but
They had it. Yeah, they had a real movie future there
So American Bantam is supposed to have been
American Austin that failed and a salesman bought it and then basically was like sounds like he was scrapping the whole time like what the
shit am I gonna do with this company so
The government needs a Jeep and they need something that can carry
You know as many guns as it as the vehicle itself weighs and both yeah, it's a tall order
Yeah, we're a tiny company. Yeah, Willie's overland gave it a shot, too
And both Bantam and Willie's overland were like didn't Ford also try it. No, that that's a little bit later
Okay, yeah Ford came in in my era. Yeah, so I mean Ford plays a tiny little role in the war effort
it's a little bit ahead of where we're at but
Basically what happened was that Bantam hired a designer from Detroit
And they were only gonna pay him if they actually got the contract because they'd pretty much laid everybody off
Which is crazy because I thought wartime. There was a lot of jobs everywhere. This job's flying around
Yeah, but we were in we were like getting in okay
We joined the war effort super late in the game only after Pearl Harbor
right, yeah
We were run by a fascist state and they basically were like, yeah, let's like not like let's cook for a little bit and
Then Pearl Harbor happened and then we're like, oh gosh, I guess we should join in well
We had people yes
We should now we had mercenary pilots in China
Helping out the Chinese because they're being attacked by Japan and nobody wanted to help China out like the flying tigers were over there
And so basically they like built planes on the islands and like, you know, we're just getting set up and then we just got in the war
so
anyway
We're just like getting in and then that's when they're like, all right, we're gonna need this Jeep thing and so
Well, that's is the name doesn't exist yet at this point. No, so they bring this general purpose, right?
Yeah, it is general purpose. And so they bring in this designer Carl probes and he designs it in five days
He makes drawings of it blueprints five days. Yeah, Rocky is written in supposedly in three days
So the Jeep and Rocky share a very yeah pretty much the same thing both just a total fever dream
And they've never used a song for the montage. It's a shame. Yeah. Yeah, they should have done it. They were really missing out
No, they would have had Buster Keaton instead of Sylvester Stallone much better. Yeah, I guess not quite
It doesn't quite line up. I guess in the 20s, you know
all right, so they designed the Jeep in five days and
They start making them and then the thing is like they throughout the war they can't keep up because
Bantamas in bad shape willies overland gets
Contracted to make some and then also Ford made a little bit of them
But Ford a number of times throughout the war is like promises to make stuff and then comes up really short
I think it went like that with the airplanes and ships. Oh, wow Ford. Yeah, I've heard that from Ford. That's not very patriotic
Yeah, they good. Yeah, Ford was a fascist leaning company. I mean
Ford used to put mine comp in glow boxes of
Model A's he did help out with sourcing stuff for the people's car. Not great. Yeah, not great
Look, it was definitely a controversy for Ford actually
Today for sure. Yeah a bow tie
Yeah, yeah, William Durant loose Chevrolet. They're just racing cars. I've never owned a Ford
I can say, you know in my lifetime. I do I
Got one drive it every day. I did own a cougar though
Oh
Yeah, you're in it's in the Ford family, you know, you either serve under General Motors or you're in the Ford family
Yeah, it was brief
Somebody kind of gave it to me. How brief it is. Yeah, I'm sorry
You can't hide the mark
Well, never mind then
I take it back. So willies overland in
50 managed to trademark the name and it took a long time was a huge hassle and like Bantam kind of had to work with it
But they were just pretty much done at that point. So I think a year later Bantam goes under
They're gone
but
It's not really an easy thing to sell so they do the Jeepster also which is like this weird like two-door
I know the Jeepster, you know fold down top Fiat in
Yeah, we have an interview with our friend Dana who has a Jeepster
I mean, I think it's pretty far back in the hot boxing archives, but anyway plug for hot boxing
I think that the T-rex on Jeepster is maybe the best outcome Jeepster for your love. Yeah. Am I right?
Yeah, one of the best songs ever made Mark Bolin. Mm-hmm sings like an angel masterpiece
That mark ballin. Oh boy that man's face
Just an angel just an angel, right? Just every song on that album is an absolute a total ripper. It's a
song for a
Pontiac ad every single one
Yeah, kind of I mean other than Jeepster, but yeah pretty much. Yeah, no, it's it's it's very popular for the common folk
It's perfect music for sure. Mm-hmm. So
It's a rough time for the Jeep. It's not popular like basically people regarded as machinery
And it has to be sold as such
you know
People didn't think it was gonna survive and so
Willys they come out with the
With the CJ the civilian Jeep right
GP general purpose is you know GP said quick so that's Jeep
But there was an army ad where they had it like a capital J in the ad so
The whole like Jeep as a brand is like kind of starts to develop from that point, you know
the name becomes its own thing and
Willie's overland getting that trademark is kind of a big deal right because then it's right sort of been snatched back from the government
Right in a way. They've got rights to now like make it and sell it as a slightly different thing
mm-hmm
Isn't that kind of weird like pulling the idea out of thin air?
I think so
It's like yeah, it's like it's a machine for the government and then it's called Jeep
It develops its own name and then they're sort of like
Yoink
Well, this was the time they also tried to bring up the agro jeep
So they tried to make themselves like an agricultural vehicle
and they wanted to separate themselves from agricultural military use into
Civilian use and that's why they created the CJ which is the civilian jeep
for the common folk
So what is the xj is that for experimental people? Yeah, purely for experimental people or extraordinary people
The experimental jeep it took them seven years to get that name
Really from 1943 to 1950 according to real trucks
Yeah, engine to change Paul and grassy his book it talks about a long process it involves the government and involves bantam
And jeep or sorry and ford and bantam. Yeah, they were all fighting for it. Yep real just a big
Like that shootout that you said between Clint Eastwood and those other dudes is jeep too big to fail
I think jeep is such an
Idea that it cannot fail for the sheer fact that it is the dumb parts of america
I mean, I think it is
I think it is the for the simple folk in the world
I think that it is an essence like that they by getting to trademark it. They like got this a built-in audience
Why does the hammer still exist?
Because people need it
Just like the jeep
Yeah, interesting point there
Still doesn't change my stance on jeep, but oh, I hate jeeps
Oh, I'm aware. I'm aware
I think I come to like them more and more
After researching this because youtube brought me on I honestly like jeeps more
Yeah, and I thought about buying one. Yeah, because jesus saves that I I spent from hating him to thinking about buying one
Yeah, mildly honestly reading about it in engine to change really like
I didn't know such a good story
It is very cool. And well, I'm also sorry just to interrupt here tanner has
The mighty might or something with the jeep engine in it. So it's a 1966 international harvester
Metrobike that has a 258 in it. It's called a metro might. That's right
So it's a metro body might little
Uh-huh. Oh, it's so cute. It is very cute
It still has the stamps on the dashboard for the federal
Whatever
Post office nonsense. So it's a right-hand drive silly little rig
But it has a 258 in it
Which the 258 the international harvester created
Is the block that jeep uses kriser least for their 4.0
So that motor was put in gremlins amcs. Yep, because midway through this life
amc
Owns jeep. Yep. There. I was a drum a gremlin and I drove for a little bit and had 258 in it
And that's the same motor I have in my rig amc was nash kelvin ater and then hudson
Mm-hmm
Yeah, six equals eight faster than an eight. Yeah
Mm-hmm, and the only reason why I aced the brainbuster last year
Last year
Is because I've been doing it for so long. He's a time traveler. He's a time traveler
was the corvair
one of my sweetest little angels of the
Chevy
era
And I brought stickers for everybody that say, you know nader was right because nader
Killed that car as he says, but honestly
It was a camaro
Oh camaro. Mm-hmm
Well, americans are dumb and they can't figure out what anything works outside of a v8
Well, you're right about that. You need eight cylinders to get to the store because you just might not make a home
I feel bad for countries that don't get to have more cylinders like
Sergei said that in russia you get taxed by how many cylinders the motor has
So they all have these pathetic tiny motors. They have like four two cylinder. Yeah, two three four. Wow
Well the 174 what's that the forward motor the
Stray six the 170 and the 144 the 170 is a killer motor
Yeah, it is we just talked about those one or two episodes ago. You did you talk about the 200?
Yeah, but I met somebody up there in olympia where I won
Best boogie van at the
Congratulations, I did. Yeah, and this guy was telling me about his 170 that had been tuned, right?
And he's like the thing snaps
It's got 20 something miles per gallon and it really gets with the program. That's what I got 20 miles a gallon
Yeah, the 170 it's a slept-on motor. Yep. Totally is it's called the thrift power six
Yeah, and they rip they're way snappier and they're way more responsive. I would love to drive the 250
I never have I think I painted one for somebody, but I didn't drive it or anything
But yeah, they're sick though, but they have those integrated heads the intake is cast anyway
I think that's it for me on jeep. I think tanner can pick up. I mean look, I think that kaiser getting involved with willies
introduces a new version
Mm-hmm
Basically mid 50s
They released the surrey and the jeep maverick station wagon. Okay, and we're it's like willies motors now
And that's all just nothingness
Like nobody wanted to buy the cars not not farmers like it just
Weird cars bright colors. They look like fruit baskets farmers aren't fruits. They're not going to buy them
too bad for them also is like
Considered agro jeep like the weird agricultural jeep era. They should have made agro jeep
It's like the international harvester
Wow
It like if they had done the 80s agro jeep, I mean think about like that would have been pretty cool
I probably would have done well. Yeah, they would have got the whole crest scene
That would have been such a bold move though for a car company to call it agro
Yeah, I mean think about what would have happened to punks
Especially if it was like jeep wrangler agro
Do you think that the government would accuse them of trying to make teenagers run wild?
In the in the woods with their and go agro on the trails and stuff. Yeah, sure and then roll over and die completely
Yeah, yeah, so that would be a real. Yeah, I mean, I think they would yes. It would be cool though
To see all those teenagers go wild
It's dancing in the streets
You want teens and jeeps?
This is an ad for the circle jerks wild in the streets. I pick up in a tower records near you
Teens and jeeps
Teens and jeeps
Yeah
Yeah, yeah
So I guess it's my time for takeover, right? Yeah, I think I was thinking basically let's talk about the middle era of jeep
The middle era the middle
of jeep
so
You know
Willys becomes kaiser basically. Oh, yeah, and kaiser frazier purchased in 55
So they went from kaiser jeep
To kaiser frazier, which who knows what the hell that means all absolute winning combinations
Yeah, that literally sounds like all made up nonsense
Kaiser is a guy that was like, I don't know how to make boats, but I'm gonna do it and they made liberty ships
So like gotta give him a little like he thinks he's gonna get one of these things, right?
Do you kind of like ships crack apart some? Yeah. Oh, okay. Just some of them. Yeah, not very many just some
All your garden is a success really. Oh, okay. They needed them the last weeks. Okay, so but it is part of kaiser permanente
Yeah, same same. Yeah, so still going. Oh, yeah, still going legacy that kaiser guy. Yeah a lot of money
Yeah, money is where his money is
So
In 63 those turkeys created the wagon air, which I think is one of the best
SUV
Introduction of the SUV to the modern market and that's why
Every time I drive down the road
somebody's sitting behind me with the brightest fucking headlights that I've ever experienced in my entire life and they're
like
Roaching my cornea
But the wagon here is a true icon
There there used to be a house in our neighborhood
With one in the driveway one on the street and you're like, okay, these people are obsessed corn balls. Yeah
Corn balls. They're obsessed corn balls
Yeah, I still think the wagon here is iconic, but but it's not the success
It's like you keep thinking when you read the jeep story that something's like gonna something good is gonna happen
No, nothing good is ever gonna happen
Like it's literally just etymology of the worst freaking oakley wearing wrapped around the head living
Ducks on your dashboard being people
Ducks on the dashboard. I've never seen that except for in like a hippie car. You mean like a
Quack quack duck. Yeah, like a little stuffy duck like a duck like a bathtub duck
Yeah, because they got nothing better than you that put ducks on their dashboard
And this is also something you've seen. It's just a jeep thing. This is a jeep thing. Yeah, it's a jeep thing
I've never seen that
I've seen it on like, you know an old like honda that like it's a hippies car and there's like a duck
There's like sticks and maybe a duck and some stickers and some fabric and a candle
You know that kind of stuff only a cheap thing is
Putting a stupid little stuffy duck
On your dashboard and pretending like you're a part of a community. I feel like you're making up rumors about jeep
I'm also a hater. So
I'm not gonna lie. I'm coming with this with ultimate despise
So does that count
That's a trade. Okay from kaiser
To wagon air that's from kaiser jeep from kaiser frazier
I think that's a change. Okay
Right in 79
amc bought renal had the purchase rights of jeep
79
renal gets jeep renal got it from
AMC that's right. Yeah
Which is calvinator. I have 81 for renal, but which is nash calvinator and hudson between 79 and 81 renal
took hold of jeep
From amc
Which is where they had created the Cherokee. They had 51 ownership and stock
And the apache. That's when they made the apache as well. It's fun. I saw a video that said they only had
What does the apache look like because I remember the camanchi. It's a truck. It's a Cherokee truck. Okay
Yeah, you take a Cherokee you make it a truck
But is it the same as the camanchi or is that a different truck?
Well, the camanchi was the earlier versions. Okay
Which one's in tremors?
Ah fuck. I don't know
My dad my dad and I bought a trailer in Tennessee one time and my dad was like I like your truck and the guy was like
Oh, wait, is it called the camanchi?
Maybe
I mean Chevy made an apache. So the jeep must be the camanchi
I think it's called the camanchi
I don't fucking know. Did you say camanchi? Oh, why dude? What do you offer me?
It's the jeep per mani
The answer is per mani brothers
Yeah
Uh
All right, I think that's m dog. I think you're taking the end of it
I think you're taking the end of it for us quite a bit less research than either of you two
You did less research and I literally went to panty baby last night. I was told about this
The night before I think you did a great job. Yeah, no, I didn't do as much. I was busy cooking potatoes
Oh, potato potato potato potato potato
So there's a kaiser jeep era and then amc was supplying motors to
the to to jeep
For kaiser. That's why I have that 258 in my metro might. Yep, exactly
So this is funny my metro mayan my spells check says bought weed in february 1970 for 70 million dollars
What?
bought weed in the city february 70
For seven 70 million dollars. No, I just I spelled jeep wrong and it spelled it weed
It's probably not that funny. I gotta chuckle out of it. Tell it again. Tell it again
Bought weed in february 1970 for 70 million dollars. Oh
So much weed. So yeah, so amc bought uh jeep in february 1970 for 70 million
It was a huge gamble and the brass was not stoked. I don't know who like
Championed it through maybe the shareholders because I don't know who goes above the brass
Who's above the brass was god honestly? Yeah. Yeah god merged this
Yeah, so they had the jeep brand for 17 years until 1987
And also I saw but renault came in there and bought
51% of amc
In 1981. So does that count of them owning jeep or amc? I mean 51% I said it 51% renault was in my part
51% so
That's the switch of dames. Yeah
Because we were talking about
Willys
Went like a slight name change. That's a different name at hinge
That's different. I I definitely think if it's stamped on a part
If I'm looking at it as a business as the federal government
The federal government
They consider that different. Yeah, that's where I'm at
All right. Well tit for tat I guess
Potato potato
Potato potato. We'll see you tit
So under amc jeep came into what we think of jeep today. Okay came along. They modernized it
They had tons of lines and special editions. Okay, so that's how they expanded it
They had the guys and uh
eyelashes
That's probably
They absolutely did not have angry eyes or eyelashes
When you buy a jeep, is there a lot of amc?
Is there any amc branding inside of it? Or is it just like on the owner's manual only or something?
I don't think it's any
It's in its own company. Just as jeep
Calpaniac is not a part of gmc. I mean they are but does it say gmc anywhere on a pawniac?
On a Chevy thing it'll say gm on certain things. Oh, okay. Well, it's also like my owner's manual has no Chevy shit on it
Okay, so maybe it does have amc somewhere. I don't know. I was just curious. I don't know if it's anybody
I don't think it any of the badging. I didn't know if anybody saw like it when you look at them
It's just a questionnaire for angry eyes and eyelashes
Do you feel offended or do you want to be a part of do you?
Yeah, does anybody specifically know what the jeep thing is?
Uh like they just refer to it as it but nobody's they have a seven pillar grill
Is they're like iconic thing that they do that's the jeep for the jeep like the wranglers and all that stuff
Yeah, they did a j-10 which is a truck j-20
Can't remember what that was cj-5 renegade cherokee
sj Cherokee chief sj they did a lot of like
CJ seven of course they did the wagon ear and then they introduced the grand ragon ear the comanche
and uh
Wow the j-10. Oh, yeah, the j-10 was a truck
It was known for being the first four-wheel drive full-size four-wheel drive
truck with independent front suspension
Also, I like it
Which truck was that? No, they're hot. I think they're hot. I love I looked it up and I thought it was sexy the comanche
No, the j-10. Okay. Yeah, so it was the first
four-wheel drive full-size truck with independent front suspension
I thought like oh, I thought about the pacer and how revolutionary it was
And it's weird little way and it's not like oh, that makes sense that amc would make this front independent front suspension truck
AMC was a big deal. Yeah. AMC kicked ass the javelin the gremlin the hornet
The jeep. Yeah, they got in there and they did things different. That's that was their motto
It was like if we can't if we can't beat them be different
Yeah, yeah, something like that
I mean the pacer coating it a little bit, you know people I feel like like to lump the pacer and their gremlin together
But they are such their own thing. Oh, yeah. No, they're so different
I mean the pacer is like a dream car. The gremlin is a car literally chopped off
And kicked in the butt. Yeah
Yeah, exactly. They kicked in the button. It's how god formed the spoiler squished it. Yeah, it's pretty funny
In the late 70s amc started hemorrhaging money as we have talked about before and then crisis. Oh the corporate hemorrhage
Chrysler. Well, then they released wait my guts
Million coming down. I'm feeling great. I got a hemorrhage
There's a hemorrhaging money. Are you suffering corporate hemorrhaging?
It's your company
Is your body pain?
Do you see him might be for you
Ask your doctor. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry persistent corporate hemorrhaging
Continues
persistence corporate hemorrhaging
so as a
Remedy they released the eagle which had the same four wheel drive system. I love the idea that eagle has a remedy
Yeah, and it did help honestly one of the coolest vehicles that's ever existed ever
Yeah, the eagle is really a dream car another amc dream car. Yeah, it's so cool
Again shout out to emily and adam who have one because they rule
I forgot to mention Renault here, which was what we said 79 to 81 that they came in and bought
Oh, that frenchies tried to take our jeeps
Yeah, they bought 51 and then they had issues with uh selling jeeps. No
No jeeps were selling strong this whole time jeeps have been selling strong
They had a problem with political up people. It was the amount of freedom jeeps
Yeah, and they're like we can't sell any more angry eyes people didn't want french jeeps. They only wanted freedom jeeps
It's not good either way
Also in 85 60 minutes ran a story about the cj5 rolling over in extreme conditions
And kind of like put a damper on sales. Oh, but it was like in extreme conditions
So it was like what you're just driving down the front. How extreme like the way they killed the freaking corvair
I was going to say the same hit story landed on the fort explorer. Remember the tires?
Yeah, the explorer. Oh, yeah
Did that really happen or is that an urban legend? No, it's a real thing. It's an all urban legend
Same with the corvair same with all these vehicles. Louisville was the explorer plant city, so
One fucking mom. I didn't have a teacher cross or shit and everybody got upset
Hmm. Well, it just sucks to lose a mom and a teacher at the same time. I mean for sure. Yeah, totally
You know, we should pay teachers more. Let's just start with that
And they shouldn't die in cars, but you know, they also shouldn't kill automotive
unclives in march 9th
In 1987 chrysler bought jeep and amc for 1.5 billion dollars
and then
That seems pretty cheap. Yeah, that seems cheap. Yeah, that's you know, why they bought the renault
They bought the renault in an hour. They bought the renault shares
Oh from 1.5 billion dollars and
Yeah, 1.5 million million or billion billion. Didn't I say billion 1.5 million 1.5 billion. Okay
1.5 billion
Are we saying I am gonna number sometimes their total value is about three billion then right because
If they had 51 percent of the shares, yeah, and they bought them out for 1.5 billion. Yeah, the values are about three
Yeah, I just still doesn't mean anything to me. Yeah
Um, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Well, and that's that's what I have so far
We have some other owners, but I didn't want to go into them because that's fiat. It's in yep fiat
slantus another there's a
Like an investment firm kind of they had never had an automobile business that got in there
That's good. That sounds like a few a few really good venture a few things
That I will go over in more detail in the question answer
Okay, so I do have something to say about the name though
So they think that the name came from one of the
arguments
Were arguments where they were of
One of the arguments was saying that ford has the one who they came up with the name jeep because there's
There's was called gwp
That meant government p as in uh 80 inch wheelbase and then sorry and then one of them res was reconnaissance
I think w was reconnaissance and p was 80 inch wheelbase
Why is an art reconnaissance those acronyms don't make sense sweetheart
So ford didn't really ford did make some this was according to the real truck article that I've read
Yeah, I think also ford is full of liars
But ford did make some jeeps and they like same thing. They just were like sorry. We did what we can
Yeah, they make all this shit up
But I've never like been somewhere and seen a ford jeep
But yeah, yeah, I know not either about how would you know if it's a ford jeep?
I bet some nerd knows
Well, if you're a nerd and you're listening, yeah, if you're a nerd and you're listening
Just dm at car crash c r k r ush. Yeah, if you're a jeep nerd you can
Yeah, if you if you know what a ford jeep looks like bring your ford jeep over
Also bring your swing your branded 1911
You nerd
Yeah, you're a world war two
error nerd
Stop on by. Oh, yeah. Yeah
Tanner, I think you should plug your business and what you do. What do you do tanner? Jesus christ
Besides get drunk
Well, I'm mostly wasted all the time. No, that's a lie. I'm just wasted today. It's only because it came
It's only because I came back from an event and we had a fucking
Amazing time over at vantababy. Thank you to left lane. Thank you to fucking
uh
The other club
Fever dreams fever dreams that's associated with that. I knew you were gonna get it. That's why I didn't I know
It took me a minute
You know, it's time to talk sometimes you gotta dig down to um
I'm a part of rolling death band club here in portland, oregon and we put on our show
Every year which you should come to and see if you want to see beautiful bands
If you don't want to see beautiful bands go fuck yourself
Exactly. I didn't see any beautiful bands. Oh
We got the best fans in town. It's not true. Actually, I saw
We saw some good looking bands, didn't we? I went on the illegal van tour. I saw some great bands. I saw some good looking bands, too
We have a great time. We party. We're inclusive and we like to meet y'all
We haven't released our dates, but okay. Well, it's usually in the summer. The theory is gonna be in the winter this time
No, okay, thank god. End of july beginning of august. Okay, it's around that time. Okay, july august, right? Yeah, yeah
So that's the scuttlebutt come to the pnw for some fans of the pnw and come and see these beautiful fans
Beautiful bands big and I also I heard that you're a sign painter
I do paint signs for living. Yeah. I print stickers. I screen print
I'm a full service sign operation
If you need a sign, I wouldn't believe it if I didn't do it. If you need anything
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