'25 Aston Vanquish Review; Kart Drifting; Matt's Law

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All right, folks, on this episode of the podcast, Zach and I went go-cart drifting. Chris Harris lost his Ferrari key and we discuss why that is in fact the best key for dropping on a bar. I review the new Aston Martin vanquish and things we would change if we ran general motors today. It's the Smogentire Podcast. Let's go.

That is a very good cars and coffee that Rancho Santa Fe cars and coffee because it's like A, it's super fucking rich people. And B, it's not in a parking lot. They like take over the whole town square. It's nice. Oh yeah. And all the restaurants like the coffee shops all open early and there's like a park. It's like it's pretty nice. Yeah, it's a good aesthetic. And at like six o'clock, it starts at, you know, seven thirty. If I leave my house, it's six.

And I drive south on the. I could fucking go a hundred miles an hour. There's no cars. There's nobody. You drive the entire length of seventy three. You don't see another car. Yeah, you're sending everyone to church. Amazing. Yes. That's not a sin. Speeding isn't a sin. Depends on which. That's a whole man, Zach. There's no. Listen, look, if we're going to live in a goddamn theocracy. Okay. Then we have to have both sides of the theocracy. And I'm going to live if fucking God.

And is going to determine how the rest of us that don't believe in God fucking live in this country. Then anything God didn't say fair fucking game. I'm driving a hundred miles an hour.

Well, guess what? They who are in control like to make laws based on air quotes. Things God said. They are not in the Bible. So I'm going to add it to the Bible. Speeding is now in the Bible, Matt.

Because, you know, they're against the other things that are in the Bible. Let's put it in the book of Matthew. Can we have math and the Lord say if the road be at empty. Yeah, Matthew 420 says, keep right, mother fucker.

But let the camels run free. Hi, guys. Welcome to the sermon on the mount. It's my entire podcast. There goes half our audience again.

You know, you can say that that's not being very Christian of me, but it's not my problem. Right. I don't actually give a fuck.

When was the last time you went to a religious thing thing? You had a bar mitzvah had a bar mitzvah. Yeah. Yeah. What was your tour portion, by the way? No idea. You don't remember? Yeah. Really?

Second, just vague. Just vague. They might have been called that. And I wouldn't know. I guess they're not. They can't all be memorable. One of them's like, and then fucking Mary took a shit. You know, like, look at that age. I, I mean, I did it. And then I focus on memorizing car facts. Oh, those are gone now. Oh, listen to nobody. I cheated. I cheated. I learned to make the sounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I translated my bar mitzvah. Yeah. I'm just saying. I don't remember. Now, mine was the Jacob's ladder thing. Now I just happened to know because it's like

a story from the Bible that's like people like, oh, you have that Jacob's ladder. I don't I couldn't tell you what Jacob's ladder was about. But there was a fucking ladder. Right. And he tried to climb it or did success.

Maybe I couldn't tell you. All right. It's funny. The tour portion stopped right before there. Not because it was supposed to. Only because I would. Yeah. Swipe right to hear the rest. Oh my God. No. Only because I was like, yeah, I'm going to learn. Maybe you know, 400 words. I think it's about what I'm going to learn. Didn't stop there.

Give a fuck. Yeah. I went to I went to Catholic Mass once with a girl I was dating just after college. Yeah. That was a long confirmation of why I don't want to be Catholic. Well, yeah. I mean, listen, and if you listen to Billy Joel, Catholic girl start much to late, but it's terrible. I recommend your younger try to date a Catholic girl, especially if they go to a really, really oppressive school. If those are still a thing. That's

a fucking good time. If you can get yourself in that world, man, there is some shit that goes down. It's, it's good. I mean, speaking of repression, this is why the stats that come out every now and then are like states that are most red, watch the most, you know, transsexual porn. Yeah, like fascinating love those search clouds. The search clouds. When you find out the Midwest really likes, you know, transgender porn doing research, mom. Yeah.

I've said it before, but there was a Catholic school in Westchester County that had that made a rule because of me. And they that boys weren't allowed to be there like before a certain time because I would go pick up my girlfriend and my fucking Mustang with the 303 cam. They didn't have air conditioning. That's close. The windows were always open. So I'd be out in the parking lot. It was like, it was almost Billy Madison.

That's a little also a little bit of Ferris Bueller. Yeah, like a snowman. Yeah. Come on now. Just like close family. Yeah. Yeah. Not good times. Nice. Um, so cars maybe we went drift carting less. Yeah, we did, which is, which is, uh, that's, that's a good time. Difficult. Very hard. Extremely very very hard. Uh, they basically just, it's a K one. And they, they just put plastic tires on the back. Yeah.

And the funny thing about, um, drift carting is that the brakes are also on the back. And, uh, therefore, you don't really have the same kind of control you would have when trying to drift a car.

You, you have very little control. Like the things you think will help mostly don't. It's, uh, it is a game of nuance and like a real, I think, uh, one of the secrets is, um, quit while you're ahead.

Right. You get 20 degrees of slip and you're like, and it doesn't feel like anything compared to any car. Right. But you should call that a winner. And then you're quote drifting. But if you go for 30, you loop. Right. And I, and, and inevitably you get to a point where you get a nice flow and you kind of link.

Five or six corners. And then you're like, now I know how to do this. I can repeat that every time. And then two corners later, you're just backwards in a wall.

Because the crowd, it was me, you know, Sarah Trimble, professional stunt driver, Corey, who does a lot of sim drifting. Misha Mansor, like a lot of people who drive frequently. And then some have a pretty solid experience drifting cars and sliding cars.

And every corner, one of us was spun out again and just laughing our asses off like, yeah, you think, oh, man, I don't have it. They have it. And the next corner of they spun out. And then you have it.

You got it figured out. And then you don't, it was a riot.

Nobody has it. Actually, it is wildly inconsistent. And there's a couple of different like surface changes there. And like, it's pretty funny.

Uh, the, the, the, the way that a go kart delivers power is non-linear.

And normally that doesn't matter because it's just, it's just not the kind of thing that matters when you're racing one for real.

But when you're trying to actually like drift and modulate the, you can't like feather it.

You have to like, floor it, but then back off before you get to was turbo lag.

Basically, it's like a turbo Supra. It's exactly like that.

So it's about like finding that like one third throttle.

And I found, I found the only real way to do it. It's kind of like a car.

The, the, you can't use your brakes. Like you have, you effectively have no brakes.

There's really only one place in that whole track where you can brake.

And it's before that left hand hairpin and straight line for the littlest second, right?

And so you essentially have to drift without brakes.

So the way to really do it is you can only slide under deceleration.

And then like just hold it just enough to not get more than your 15 to 20 degrees.

You almost crab block it.

Yeah.

And like you find your angle and you have, and because there's no auto-crack steering, like you set the steering to the angle, the rear wheel,

you're going, it sounds like simple, but it's not.

And then just be happy there.

And, but I can't. I always want a little more angle and then you loop and then you loop.

And there is no more angle. That's it.

There was a kid who went before us, like a half an hour before us.

He was monji down the street and was linking corners. I think he probably lives there.

Like the people that set the fastest time of the month or whatever,

there were two seconds faster than us.

Yeah. They probably just know that the, I don't know if the guy was blogg smoker,

but the, the, the young dude who was running our races.

Yeah. He said he was a fan.

We'll see if that's true or not.

But he was cool.

And like I was like, yeah, what's, you know, what's a good time here?

And he was like, yeah, he said, if you're in, you know, whatever, the mid 29,

you're like decent and the record is like a high 27.

It was what?

I have the sheet.

I think it was like a 28.1.

Is the record?

It's something. I think that was like the monthly record.

That's crazy fast for, for that particular track.

The torrents adult best of the week is 28.3.

That's really fast.

And oh, the adult record by Michael Chan is 27.235.

Wow.

That's fly.

How? When?

Wow.

You know, he just tires up first.

Yeah.

Yeah. No, fresh sauce.

There's some.

And also that, I mean, maybe that person, you know, weighs 105 pounds or something.

I don't know, but like wow, very impressive.

Very impressive.

Yeah.

But you, but if you, if you live at a track, like Nathan was like, yeah, there's,

these people are here like every other day.

So good for them.

Yeah.

I used to do that back in the day at GPNY and I was fucking winning shit.

Yeah.

That's what that's how practice works as it turns out.

I told Sarah on the way home.

I told her the story of you and Tom, like trading, free, carting forever for life,

basically for one commercial.

And I was like, so just don't feel bad.

Like, not that she would that she couldn't catch you.

Like, just know that Matt and Tom lived in a go cart track for a year, at least.

And he's very fast.

You see, like, I don't feel bad.

I got second to you.

I was actually really proud of that.

But the, I expected you to beat me.

And I went, that didn't beat you by much.

You didn't, you did.

What was it on the sheet?

It was close, right?

Is that the drift sheet of the grip sheet?

I have both.

The drift sheet is hilarious.

Your, your time on the drift sheet was 4.9 seconds.

That doesn't mean, yeah.

The drift sheet that's timing is, timing is scoring, stopped working.

The sheet sheet, Matt's fastest time was 30.872.

And my fastest time was 30.974.

Yeah.

So we're pretty close.

Yeah, pretty close.

Not bad.

Our whole friend group was pretty close.

Pretty tight.

Yeah.

But I can do it.

I don't know.

Someone found fucking three seconds on me.

On a 30 second track?

Yeah.

Like percent.

Where the fuck is going?

But Nathan did say that like the carts are particularly slow right now.

So it wouldn't be, that's like the all time.

He said it wouldn't be possible to get that in these carts.

Okay.

That is good to know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Anyway.

Maybe on the morning the batteries are fresh or the battery packs used to be fresh.

For the first time, I tried to read the levels on the fucking charging units to like see like what size the battery packs were.

Like what, how fast?

I've never cared about any of that before.

All of a sudden I'm like, how fast do these things charge?

What?

Well, EV education.

Drift carting is fun.

It's really fun.

Yeah, it's a sloppy mess but it's a good time.

Yeah.

It was hilarious.

Everyone laughed so hard all the whole time.

Did they get all the K ones?

I don't know.

They do it five times a year here.

Okay.

So it's not, I think they just, they bring the sliders out or whatever.

Yeah.

They just do it five nights a year.

So if you happen to land on speed by you wherever you live,

see if they do a drift night or five drift nights a year and sign up because that's fucking fun.

It's a riot.

Yeah.

We should, we should mark the calendar for the, for the next one.

And shout out to the fan, I think his name's Devon who on Instagram this morning often invited us to his private go carting track,

which the photo of which looked pretty amazing.

Vanquish video went up today.

I guess by the time non patrons hear this it'll be, it'll have been a few days, but please go watch.

And also the GTD video by the time non-patron see this will be up as well.

Vanquish is very, very pretty.

What a, what a fucking car.

That, look, that's just like, that shit is like a ruby slipper going down the road in that color.

Like, it is the most like candy apple gold in red.

I mean, it's a real, a real delight this car.

It's just, it's a crazy, it's, it's such a luxury item because it has only two seats.

Not a big trunk is big as fuck.

The front wheels are way far.

I mean, look, the front wheels are like eight feet, nine feet from your head.

So you have this very sharp steering that's happening down there.

Like the Morgan, remember that?

Yeah, like the Morgan or the Ferrari 812.

Yeah, or a cater room where, where there's this very precise machine happening way down there.

And so that's kind of an interesting and different thing, but just insanely fast.

It's 830 horsepower, just ridiculous.

You kind of have to go really fast.

Like, if you're not going to be going really fast, just like skip, get DB12, get, get vantage, you know.

Even if vantage is so fast also, DB12 is so fast also.

This is the difference between so fast and like, where like time warps shit happens.

You know, it's like, you know, out of, out of a dig off the line, you know,

it light to light, even squirting around on the highway, like DB12 or a, or a vantage is so fast.

But like, when you have that extra bit of road and you're revving it, not just a six, but to like eight,

that's when it's like, that's when this is really, really, you know, hang on pro grade weaponry kind of stuff.

And that's where the extra, this is 200 grand more.

You got quiet as you accelerated it at a couple of moments in the video, and that's not common,

because it was really hauling.

Third and fourth gear in this car are very crazy.

I mean, like, I'd love to have a go on one of these in the Autobahn.

It would be insanity.

Really, like, especially astins are fast, the DBS was really fast.

But like, this is like, oh, this is some other shit.

Very cool.

Gorgeous.

It's made well and the interior is great.

Obviously, in the video, I demonstrate the very slow connection time to car play ultra,

which was inconsistent.

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Sometimes it connected in like 10 seconds.

In the video, it takes real time, 45 seconds.

And sometimes it didn't connect at all.

Which brought me to another point.

When you turn the car on before Apple CarPlay connects, what do you use to normal gauges, all that stuff?

Gauge cluster on the drive.

You can drive.

But the gauge, but blank screen everywhere else.

Which sucks because climate control and all that.

Even though it's a scroll knob, you still need the display to know what's, you know.

So that's a pain.

You can abort that at any time and go to, like after maybe like 10 or 15 seconds.

You can abort that process and go to Aston Martin gauges.

Like the default screen, like the non-car play screen.

Which is fine.

But I made me think about, I don't know if I said this like a few shows ago because we've done so many fucking shows so close together.

And I'm sorry.

I hope it doesn't diminish the quality of the show too much to have to do this volume of shows so close together.

Like once a year, we have to do this.

There's always just a trip stack up.

Yeah.

But like sometimes I just forget if I said stuff.

Like when we came back from Atlanta and I was driving the 992.2 career ass.

They're not using car play ultra for the time being.

But what they've done is on the Porsche home screen, not the home screen.

There's a dock on the left side of Porsche's screen that has nav, phone, car play and settings.

Right.

And then like drive modes.

Now those are the five.

Now in my tycon, it's nav phone, excuse me, nav radio phone instead of nav radio car play.

So there's essentially, it's a touchscreen, but it's a hard button that's always there for car play.

That's important because with that, with that dock that has the main things there,

it doesn't really matter if serious XM is outside of car play or inside of car play.

If you can toggle back and forth between them fast and if the interface is good.

Right.

So mind not having the car play button on a dock is an extra series of button pressures which you do and you see me do all the fucking time.

And that is clunky.

Yeah.

And then Porsche is all of them, 2024, foreign up.

Have it have the dock now.

So like, okay, that kind of essentially solves the problem that car play ultra is solving most of the time.

For the user, I think I think one of the things car play ultra is trying to push, though,

if they solve the problem on the manufacturer side of hey, you don't have to design a UI anymore.

You don't have to like spend all this money to, you know, put these eyes on.

You still do because not everybody has an Apple device.

Oh, that's true.

Yeah.

And if the Apple device doesn't work, you still need to be able to do shit.

You still have to do all that.

It's on top of that.

But do they do it to a lesser degree?

Like, do they make their gauges and think simpler?

Well, I don't know.

Because they can hand it off to car play.

So far, we've only used it in Aston Martin.

And it's layered on top of Aston Martin's existing software.

So I don't know if going back two years, Aston Martin developed this car from the ground up with car play ultra in mind,

or if they just are able to integrate it by layering it over.

But if you don't use car play ultra, it's indistinguishable from what the DB 12 had before.

So they haven't dumbed it down because they expect everybody to use car play ultra.

Okay.

But like, I'm sure that car, like, there's no way Apple will let this be this bad forever.

There's no way.

Like, and, you know, people have been like, you're not the only person to say this.

Like, obviously, I'm not the person to say this.

I mean, we're not special.

But like, regular car play, the reliability of it to this point now in most cars,

along with the dock that allows you to go between your basics and car play,

along with car play that stays in the last mode it was in when you left.

That's important.

Not just go back to your home screen and then it's a fine fucking Google maps again.

If you do that, it solves like most of the problems.

Do you think they'll be able to upgrade your car?

I don't know why they haven't.

It's that's one of those things that to me seems no brainer.

It's a fucking touch screen.

Why can't you just load that?

I mean, whatever the back end programming is must be challenging.

It must be hard to retroactively work with the system.

Yeah.

That's like a thing where to a dumb person, it seems easy.

But to a smart person.

Thank you.

I've just demonstrated Dunning Krueger.

Watch that video, isn't he?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

No, I shouldn't talk about that when you do.

To a success story, to demonstrate a Dunning Krueger.

I go, how hard could it be?

Right.

And anyone who spent five minutes on it could do an hour on why it's hard.

That's why.

I fix my car plate when I fixed my stereo a few weeks ago

by using a different USB port and a new iPhone cable.

It used to take like two minutes to connect, and now it's just pop song.

Yeah.

So nice.

I mean, it's the inconsistent and we drove the dark horse.

It worked.

It works great.

They have the button.

They have a new system.

And so, anyway, just back to vanquish,

I hate to spend so much time on car play,

but it is a thing.

And it happened in the Vantage too.

It was not unique to this.

At first, I was like, okay, maybe this car,

this was like a pretty high mile press car.

It was like a 6,000 mile.

You know, for a $450,000 car to have that many miles on it,

like is a lot, a lot.

Which also means, it also just means

it's a very early car.

So like, maybe you can pick up whatever,

the Vantage Roadster production car, same shit, exactly.

And so some of this could be,

so like some of this could be Apple,

some of this could be Aston.

I don't know who's what,

but here's where it started to get wonky,

just to finish off this bit is, you know,

you spend the fucking however long setting

and up with your phone.

And with CarPlay Ultra, it does take longer.

That initial setup takes longer.

There's more like data to transfer.

And then, when I got up,

either to the mountains or to wherever,

when I started getting in and out of the car a bunch

and turning the car on and off a bunch,

which this is where we sort of veer

into journalism problems.

But, and the car started getting confused

about connecting, not connecting CarPlay, not CarPlay.

The problem is it never fixed itself.

That then became a permanent problem.

It couldn't find my phone ever again.

So I did it over again.

And then it happened again when I spent it like,

I got in and out of it and within a few minutes,

like sequentially for running some errands and shit.

And so it's not calibrated yet to a thing that's like,

not super normal in the car.

You drive to work out of the car.

But it's well within the realm of possibility

of a person running errands.

I wonder if they could put a setting on it

that's like a sleep timer, your computer.

You can set what time you want hard drives to go to sleep.

And they could just give it a five minute window.

If you run into the laundromat,

you're gonna be back in 92 seconds.

But if it's slow to connect then and you need your nav

and especially if you're a less techie person,

that can be very frustrating.

Yeah, it's annoying.

Yeah, so it's just software.

I mean, I know that's really simple,

but software's better than hardware

because you can always update the fucking software.

So like, but another wise, pretty spectacular

and unique.

Now that the, we haven't driven the 12C yet,

they promise we're gonna get the one that comes to LA.

They're on it.

I think some of them are going to of the year tests

and then we're gonna have them after that.

But based on what other people have said

and with 812, that's a naturally aspirated thing

is a unique thing, but also with the rear steer

and the sharpness and all that kind of stuff.

This has no rear steer, there's no hybrid anything.

It's probably the most direct traditional drive

of any of these type of cars, so pretty funny.

Kind of like that though.

I do too.

It's like the 911 teeth.

Well, before they added a rear steer.

No rear steer.

Yeah, no, I mean, I, it's, it doesn't need rear steer,

you know, it's not, it, you don't come out of it

going, yes, it needs that, it's fine.

What it needs is nose lift,

cause it's very, very scrappy.

Like probably the most scrappy car I've driven.

Dark horse is a little scrappy, but it's a plastic lip.

It's plastic lip.

Yeah, this is, this is scrappy carbon, no thanks.

Did you see Harris' story with his salindry adventure

this weekend?

I just, I mean, I saw some photos that he had wanted.

He had one and he went to visit a friend

and he put the key on the roof for whatever reason

and then he drove away to like down the road

a ways to a gas station.

Incredibly his friend went out in the road

and went for a drive and found the key.

And it had been run over, but it still worked.

Whoa.

Yeah, like it fell off and Chris had turned the car off.

And it's the square, it's the square one.

Yeah.

Stuck and fucked, but his friend found it.

So that key.

Do people know what a modern Ferrari key looks like?

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If you don't, I don't want to seem elitist

for just knowing this, but a modern Ferrari key,

it seems designed perfectly to throw down on a bar

and impress women.

It is roughly the size and shape of a zippo lighter.

It's an entire enameled front.

The back is pretty basic.

The back with the buttons on it looks like the fucking coaster

for the front.

You just put that part down.

And you know, it literally seems like the exact perfect thing

to throw up on there and have everyone see

that you have a Ferrari.

I think it's pretty cool.

Now we have pictures up of other Ferrari keys.

Like this is a nice Svelte shape from a 488.

Probably cars before it.

I think it's a cool evolution.

The corners are just like sharper square.

It's very square.

It's rectangular, yeah.

But I mean, I don't want to be, I mean, I'm being,

I'm being like, like I'm saying something that sounds mean,

but like it's, I'm not.

I actually think it's like, I think it's like,

they're finally just coming out with it.

Like they're finally just saying it.

Like this is a thing.

Well, I mean, look, the 488 one's not exactly subtle.

It's bright red, it says, all right.

But you are right.

This is even bolder because it's the shield.

It's bright yellow and it's got the horse.

It's the whole thing.

It's like, it's like, it's the badge off my 328 just as a key.

And you just throw it up on the table,

like as if it was your Zippo lighter.

And now everybody knows,

because I always describe a nice watch

as a car that comes into the bar with you.

This is, if you don't like watches,

you can just bring a little bit of the car in with you.

Yeah, Ferrari keys over time is a great search term.

Oh, that's just, no, that's all the exotic cars.

No, Mike, yeah, that right there is what my key looks like.

My key looks like it opened a master lock.

You should see, have you seen the Kuntosh key?

No.

It's fucking like, it, I mean, tiny.

It's crazy.

You're like, it'll break.

Dude, it looks like it opens a hotel safe.

It's saying you can't, you're like, wait,

can I, this car is worth how much?

Can I get a better like key cylinder or something?

It's insane.

There's that.

Oh, that, yeah, the key, yeah, that eBay right there,

that little, the red background on eBay,

that's what the Kuntosh key looks like.

Oh, that looks like it opens, yeah, a master lock.

Yeah, it's great.

At a storage unit.

Good.

And that's for a 308, 328, that's a blank yikes.

Yeah.

They used to be simple.

And then they just put this, this housing around them.

Yeah, they give you a nice little Pope hat.

But you know being Ferrari, that it's the same key blank.

I'm sure.

It's like the aluminum frame chassis.

But these have the like the transponder thing in it,

and they have the immobilizer thing in it.

That's the Ferrari 430 key.

I don't like that key at all.

I think my favorite Ferrari key key is the 360 key,

which if you Google Ferrari 360 key,

it's a pretty nice key.

I haven't seen one photo of it yet in your search

for other keys.

And yeah, this little, the one on the eBay one.

Yeah, that's what it looks like.

It's metal, and it's got this nice, like a guitar pick shape,

but it's sort of concave in the middle,

whereas the 431 looks like you puffed air into it

and made it out of fucking plastic.

Also to note, the 360 key, the key blade,

it's called is oriented perpendicular to the face

where you hold it.

And as the later, it's parallel.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's kind of, that's kind of trick.

So this, that, I don't know what that is.

Oh, that's just so weird.

Oh, they just put, they made a housing

for a 90s one for that.

That's just like some custom job.

But the 360 key is, is very cool.

I seen people get like polished ones

that they look kind of crummy.

But I think that's a very nice, that's a very nice shape.

That's a good key, yeah.

Of course, 360s, you have to do the dumb,

a mobilizer thing where you turn the power on

and then you have to hit the remote fob button.

It's a dangly fob.

And then you start every notice, you start, yeah.

That's such a funny thing.

Yeah.

That's like, that's the most like late 90s shit ever.

Portion 993 is two.

You can, you can, you can brick a 993

pretty easily if you fuck up with the fuck

with the immobilizer wrong.

Are you starting a plane?

How do you brick it?

What do you mean?

Like it drains a battery if you...

Yeah, like if the battery drains or if something,

like you, like you have to do like silly things

to get it to start again.

It's annoying.

Oh jeez.

It's happened to us once here

and like car left on a flatbed,

the dealer like we couldn't fix it.

Wasn't great.

No fun.

I mean, fortunately it was manual

so you could push it.

It's not like breaking a McLaren

and you have to fucking score a bunch of dawn on the floor.

Well, there's no way to put into neutral.

You don't remember when that happened?

Oh.

The door getting stuck.

Yeah.

So what happened is if you have a McLaren

and the battery dies,

you have to pull the key apart

and there's a tiny little key in there.

And if you have, in the earlier cars,

you have to get into the fender well

and like pop this thing out

and get in there and it opens the trunk.

It's a whole mess.

But yeah, if the car is locked,

the calipers clamp down so you can't move it.

And so if it's bricked and you can't get into it,

like you can't get to the wheel well

because our trays, the side things,

you can't get gojacks in there

because they're not wide enough

and you can't take a wheel off

because there's a thing.

And so basically the solution

is to squirt an enormous amount of dish soap

on the floor and connect the tow hook

to my Delica with an 85 horsepower diesel

put it in four by and drag it

and it's not dragging on the gearbox,

dragging on the cal, it's dragging on the calipers.

And in fact, once you break traction

in about two inches,

you then don't need the truck anymore.

And when it's on dish soap,

you can push it by hand very easily.

Make sure your feet don't touch the show.

No, almost too easily.

Like you actually have to like,

it starts to move sideways in shit.

It's just one of the scariest things I've ever done.

Which is where this happened here.

Here.

Yeah, we now have like,

like the card didn't get damaged

but like we now have like rules about this.

This only happened because

the customer refused after repeated,

repeated requests to get us the McLaren tender

and McLaren of Beverly Hills was out of stock.

So we couldn't even go.

So now we have a thing policy

where if you have a McLaren,

a Rolls Royce, a new Bentley,

or a new Ferrari,

all of which use proprietary tenders,

if you have one of those

and you don't provide us the tender,

like within after seven days,

because of McLaren battery when full will last 38 days.

I only know that because there's a literal countdown

on the display.

So there's a whole thing looking at you,

go like 37, 36.

Yeah, yeah, and then brick.

And then brick, that's a fucking

I hold you so more on counter.

Oh,

one, two,

I'm so hungry for some juice.

Yeah, geez, wow.

So now we, if you don't after seven days,

I'm buying and they're like $1,000

and it's going on your bill

because I'm not doing this again.

Because otherwise the solution is very risky

to personnel and the car and everything.

Yeah, so sure.

Very fine.

Yeah, wow.

So shady.

Yeah.

The fucking dish soap nationals, dude.

And then you know how hard it is

to clean that much dish soap off the floor.

So little dish soap in your sink turns into so much foam.

Right, when you try to.

Yeah, yeah.

You just like scoop it up with a shovel.

Oh my God, you're mopping for fucking hours.

Yeah, you got a scoop,

like you're like shoveling it into dust pans

and then you're mopping like it's hit.

You want to mop like 12 times.

It's crazy.

You need to get a bunch of ducks and like rub them on the dish.

Oh, and this store we don't have the,

you know, at the other store we have the Zamboni,

the floor Zamboni, that's luxury living here

because it's a small square footage.

We still mop by hand.

So just kind of fucking I bet I bet that would

fuck up the Zamboni.

That just seems like too much soap.

Oh, I don't know how I just, I would worry.

I would fake it first.

And then they would fuck up the Zamboni.

I mean, it might get a little foamy clean.

You'll be real foamy.

Oh, I don't think it would break it.

It'd be so fun.

You get to have a industrial grade that's Zamboni.

That thing's that thing's had a pretty easy life.

You could throw a foam party,

just while cleaning that up.

Remember those?

The dumbest.

Dude, you want to destroy your house,

make it smell terrible

and just give everyone some sort of staff infection.

Throw a foam party in college.

Like, because the the mystique of it

and the idea is like below the surface of the foam,

everyone's touching, having fun.

Someone's down.

That's not happening.

No one did that.

You want to go have sex?

Have sex in your room.

It's great.

It's meant for that.

You're getting chlamydia, but not in tech.

Not in the fun way.

Yeah.

Those pictures of Bezos' foam party on his boat, ew.

I remember when I was reading this medical book

I've been reading and it talks about like,

wearing gloves if you're dealing with blood

and your skin is actually very protective

in an emergency if you have to,

but if you have an open cut, it could be a big problem.

And I've always had this thought of like,

if I caught AIDS by saving someone's life

because their blood squirted in my eyeball or something,

I'd be pissed because I didn't get it the fun way.

Right.

Be a bummer.

Right.

Exactly.

And could I then go share needles and have a good time?

Because I paid up front.

I would say so.

All right.

Probably.

Don't do any of that.

This is not.

We're not doctors.

We're as much qualified as you know.

We're not the same level of qualifications.

Your skin is great blood barrier.

You've been drink blood as long as it's so warm.

All right.

So in scuba diving, I have a, what's called this,

I have a bunch of specialties, right?

So you, there's your main levels of scuba diving,

you know, like basic and advanced and underwater.

I'm sure.

All of them underwater.

Underwater on land, land, I've been doing that.

But they have, you know, like wreck diving

and search and recovery and blob ice diving

and there's different levels, deep water diving, et cetera.

So for Thurham Camp, I got a lot of specialties.

Well, one of them is dry suit diving,

which is basically where you're in almost like a space suit,

right?

Your whole body is kept dry.

It's a helmet and a full waterproof suit.

And you wear like mesh shorts or fucking sweatpants

and shit in there.

You stay dry.

It's meant for cold water stuff, right?

It keeps my warm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, really cold.

It's where you basically, like, because you,

wet suits really work and you can get all the way up

to like a seven millimeter wet suit.

And it can be fucking cold.

But like ice diving is dry suit and stuff like that.

Commercial diving, where you're down, you know,

where it's like 40 degree water,

but you're down there for an hour kind of thing.

Anyway, what if there was a foam party,

but the foam was like 20 feet high.

Everyone's in dry suits, just like, fuck.

This is like an outbreak the movie costume party.

You're in a dense, but, but movable.

Walkable for presumably some type of light penetrates it.

It seems kind of fun.

That's where I think.

It's like a clean room party.

That's what it sounds like.

Yeah, yeah.

And like why, but I'm also here for it.

Sure, it'd be kind of fun.

Because you're just pushing through the foam

and you just happen upon people.

Yeah.

What about a foam party in a car?

Has anyone ever done that?

By accident, sure.

Maybe.

That must be somewhere.

Yeah, that'd be fun.

This must be a foam party.

So a foam party must have happened in a car.

It's unfuckable.

Larry Cassila did it early when he's

learning how to clean cars.

Did his car sell?

What, how many days?

I think there was only one day left.

Oh, really?

I think there was only one day.

I just learned while you're looking for that,

I just learned that most of my racing equipment

is like outdated.

Like my actual racing helmet and my actual suit and stuff.

Because I haven't actually been in two hours

and it's up to 2.15.

OK, get that bag, Larry.

I haven't actually raced wheel to wheel in like five years.

So I haven't had to like tech my shit.

My racing suit, your racing suit, when it expires tech,

it's obviously not just like instantly not usable.

But I hadn't thought to get a new one.

So I'm on the racing team thread.

I was like, I need a new suit.

And other people were like, hey, let's get new suits.

And so now it's, we're going to get custom suits.

Now, which is fun, which is fun.

Apparently, no, but yeah, but member Johnny came on the show

and was talking about his fancy suit

that he got.

Apparently he's going to get us discounts from them.

So instead of like heinously expensive suits,

they're going to be regular price suits,

but they're going to have all the goodies on them.

So that'll be cool.

So yeah, we'll have new suits,

but hopefully it won't be too silly

that I can't wear it like later.

No, one of my favorite racing suit stories,

the only one really, is Proving Grounds season two.

Lee Keen shows up.

He's got a new custom suit.

He walks up to all of us and it's got, you know,

the Proving Grounds logo is kind of 80s

like purple pink graphics and stuff.

So he basically took the names of all the obstacles we'd made

and got them at like at an angle repeating graphic

across the whole suit.

So it was like, yeah, it's like the, you know,

the deer corner or whatever we called it

and cardboard alley and it just said that on the whole thing.

We're like, oh, that's cool.

And then we look closer and he had misspelled one of the words.

And we go, why did you spell that way?

And he goes, what do you mean?

And we fell off the chairs, man, it was the fun.

I don't remember where it was, but we,

and it's, you know, and it's printed a hundred times.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was so funny.

Oh, man, said the one and only time

you ever wore the suit, could he not wear it

again after that?

No, he's still wore it.

You couldn't see it.

It was really funny.

I forget, you know, he wore it for specific cars.

Yeah, my suit is like 12 years old,

like mustow gave it to me, but it's still,

it's still allowed.

Is it?

Yeah, but I bought new shoes which are in the mail

and we'll get here for lemons.

Yeah, I'm going to get to the new,

Google, the new balance, fireproof pit crew shoe.

So I don't know about you, but my problem with most driving shoes

is that they're fucking meant for like indie cars.

Like I don't want like little fucking booties

just because they need to be fireproof.

I drive in sneakers.

I want to keep driving in sneakers.

Like I cannot heel toe in these little fucking booties.

Oh, interesting.

Because they make my foot too narrow.

Good point.

Because I do left side, right side,

not heel and toe.

So look at these, these are, this is a meant for pit crew.

Ooh.

But this is a new balance sneaker made a no-mex.

I don't wish I'd ordered these to try.

This is the fucking tits right here, dude.

Regular ass shoes.

And you can walk around in them.

Yeah.

It's like driver shoes, you shouldn't walk much.

Dude, like they fall.

When I do an endurance race and I have to wear my no-mex,

my racing shoes all day because you got to do pit stops.

If you go over the pit wall,

you have to be wearing your shoes.

My heels and my knees are so wrecked because it's all concrete.

After 24 hours of walking on concrete with nothing,

I've ordered these and I am so excited.

This is really, like I really wish I had known about this.

I just ordered some spark-go shoes.

Well, you can return spark-go shoes.

That's true, I can't.

You can return anything.

Asked my wife how to return things.

Yeah.

My brother really exploited, Costco for a long time

had five years return no matter what.

And man, he got a lot of new stereotypes.

Well, Hannah and I have a new strategy.

She finally came to a head a couple of weeks ago.

And she was like, I think the problem

is that I just buy everything anticipating to return it.

And she does.

I mean, the problem isn't that she's buying too much.

The problem is she buys all this shit.

She returns 90% of it.

And then the stuff that she has keeps is only like, okay.

And so she's like, instead had like a luxury shopping day

with G and like tried, you bought more things in person

that she thinks will last her longer, whatever.

But anyway, she can happily teach you how to return.

When do these arrive?

For you?

I clicked order like a couple days ago.

Okay.

Finally, I finally, I don't need them till November.

I'm like really curious because this price is similar

to the sparkles I bought.

But when you're doing, like you said, at Lemons

or these like, you know, you don't have a pit crew,

the drivers are all, you're on fire extinguisher,

you're on fuel, you're helping drivers get in and out.

And the racing shoes just like, I would like more traction

when I'm working around oil and stuff like that,

having a little bit of more support.

And more support, yeah.

And the wider shoe, I do the same thing.

I do left side right side because I have a wide foot.

Sometimes the, you know, the driver shoes squish a bit.

Like a fairly slippery.

Yeah, they make, they narrow my foot in a way that I don't,

I don't actually want, I want my foot to be the shape

it's supposed to be, or the shape of a sneaker.

And we're racing production based cars.

They have regular ass petal boxes the same as a street car.

I don't, I don't go drive my street car

with little ass racing booties.

I'd be better driving, I'm better driving barefoot.

Not gonna do that racing, but like,

well like at least these are much more like my regular sneakers.

Cool.

That'd be, that'd be good.

Very cool.

Yeah, super stoked.

What a good idea.

Yeah.

Finally, fucking new balance makes a move I'm, I'm bored with.

I'm still sour about the, the, the closing down

of the customer.

I guess there's other.

There are other pit cruise shoes, yeah.

Not just new balance, it's like Sparco's got one,

OMP's got one, but like, yeah, if you fucking drive

in endurance racing or track days or whatever,

and you don't want a little tiny bootie, there are options.

Cool.

I'm curious how much like the pedal,

what the pedal feels like.

So, we'll see when they arrive.

I mean, I can feel pedals pretty good

through regular sneakers.

Oh yeah, I'm wondering if they're firmer,

because they're, because pit crew are they,

are they more durable like a hiking boot

where they're thicker or?

Oh yeah.

That's what I'm curious about.

Yeah, maybe.

I think it would be, maybe like kind of like those

day hiker type of things.

As long as it's not like, it doesn't look like

it's a super stiff boot.

It looks like it's a sneaker.

Yeah.

Cool.

Yeah, anyway, we'll see how it is.

Hopefully it works out, and if not, well,

back to the fucking moment.

Yeah, I can return them.

Yeah, exactly.

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It's time we're at 45, can I show you one video?

Oh sure, I didn't know you had things.

I'm sorry.

No, no, it's fine.

We found plenty to talk about, but this cracked me up.

So Mustang GT with creative exhaust.

I wish I didn't have this as tightly.

But this is a new edge.

All right, wait, let me refresh this so it's,

you get the whole thing.

Okay, it's video safety check on a Mustang GT.

It's got a goofy exhaust tip on it.

What?

Is that off a motorcycle?

Too exhaust.

It has one exhaust.

I wonder what's going on underneath here, so we went underneath.

Okay, is this so funny?

I look at this, you know, we'll get to call you welding jobs.

Yeah, look at the length of that exhaust here.

It's like eight inches.

And then you'll find a place to hang it to, hang it to the,

whoa, the exhaust is tack welded to the sway bar.

What the fuck?

All over.

What?

Oh my god, okay, all right, all right, so what we've seen is a person

with a V8 Mustang GT convertible.

And the headers go to the X pipe or H pipe.

It's the mid pipe of the exhaust, right?

A lot of people, it's where the cats are.

So the cats come from the, the headers are one piece in these car.

And then the cats are the next piece, right, the mid pipe.

And they've just literally welded a cap onto one side.

Now I don't know if there's an H pipe there,

so it crosses over, or if they've fully blocked the exhaust

of one bank of cylinders.

I think the guy would have mentioned it,

but it's a square piece of metal that's welded

over that passenger side.

I don't see the cross, do you see the cross over?

I wish it's hard to pause these things.

Yeah, no, I don't see a crossover pipe.

Maybe I can get it.

That's fucking crazy, isn't it?

Like everything about, and the exhaust hanger

for the muffler is welded to the can.

It's not like on a hanger or a clamp or anything.

It's just welded right onto the can,

which is polished, and then they just destroy it.

And it's also hanging down five inches from the bumper,

like where it should be sitting.

So when you first showed me this video,

which shows in the beginning, the back of this car

with this weird little motorcycle muffler thing on it,

I thought you were going to show me,

that had some little puny Cuba engine in there.

You know what I mean?

Some Russian tractor engine in there

that's just barely holding this thing together.

Not a V8 with half of its exhaust is perfect.

Okay, is this a cross over pipe right here?

Uh, okay, if that pipe on the right

is the capped pipe.

Then yes, that's the H part of the H pipe.

Okay, it's a one-inch crossover pipe.

And that, so that's all of the exhaust

is being shoved through that.

That's fucking crazy.

That must sound weird.

And if someone knows if you're listening,

like, I mean, all the exhaust is going out the side.

So does it create back pressure on the closed side?

Oh, it must be so slow, terrible.

I just thought this was so funny.

And it's, this is a perfect example

of comedy heightening, Matt.

It's like, you think the can's bad.

Then you think that the exhaust pipe resting on the sway bar,

which it seems to be like melting into is bad.

No, no, no.

The end, the finish line is where the magic happens.

That's what's funny.

You know what it made me think of though,

as when I was a kid, when I was 16 or 17,

looking to buy Mustangs, you know,

it wasn't before the existence of the internet,

but before the modern internet, certainly.

I just drove around with my dad

to all the local four dealers.

That was the first place I went to look for Mustangs.

And I got to Rive Ford, which is right around the corner

for my high school.

And I asked if they had any Cobra Coops.

That's what I wanted.

Do you have any Cobra Coops?

No, we don't.

But let me show you, I got a GT convertible.

I don't want a GT, verbal.

Let me just show you.

We go out and he takes me to a V6 Mustang.

And I go, this is not a GT, this is a V6.

He goes, no, it's a GT.

And I go, come to the back.

I'm 16.

There's one exhaust tip here.

GTs have two.

No, no, this is a GT.

Special edition, man.

Pop the hood and I counted spark plug wires.

And I was like, this is a V6.

Educate yourself and like close the hood, I laugh.

Do you think he's trying to pull it over on you?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's a shit back.

It was crazy.

I was one of the most aggressive, like, flagrant lies.

I've ever seen someone tell.

My favorite sales story, which was not a lie.

It was someone who does know what they're doing

is I went to drive an O2 WX wagon.

That was at a Dodge dealership.

It had been traded in.

And the guy's like, yeah, we can take it for a drive.

And we're driving.

And he looks up at the sticker window

that's right in front of him and he goes,

well, this thing's all-wheel drive.

Because it stickers heads for home drive on it.

And he was being genuine.

He had no idea.

He's like, I sell dodges.

I don't know what I'm doing.

This was in Colorado.

All the Subaru's have all-wheel drive.

When I bought my Volt here in LA,

and they set me up with the Volt Specialist at the dealer.

And there was one sitting on the showroom floor.

And I opened the door and looked in

and it indicated that it had a full battery.

Even when it's off, the battery thing would come up.

And I asked if I could power it on and just poke around the UI

and they said, oh, you can't start the car inside.

I said, why?

And they're like, well, the exhaust, I said, it's electric.

It's a hybrid assist, but it won't turn on.

It's electric.

There's no emissions.

It goes, oh, no, we can't possibly.

I go, you're the Volt expert.

You should be emphasizing that you, in fact, can do this.

And I was like, you know, this is like kind of nuts.

And I wanted the fucking Volt in there it was.

So ultimately, I did buy it from this idiot.

But yeah, he did not know that you could power this on

without the engine coming on.

Crazy.

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Christian says, I bought a Christopher Ward C63 GMT.

Can you get a picture of that, Zach?

Would you consider it a homage watch to the Rolex Explorer?

First off, Chris Ward makes a great watch.

They're the, I was at one of these watch shows recently

and I tried on a few of their watches.

I really liked some of what they're doing.

And yes, the C-lander GMT 36 is in the style

of the Explorer II, particularly with that stainless steel bezel

which I gotta say it's awfully copycatty font

on those on that bezel.

It also has the orange hand and the white dial

and we all know where that came from.

Doesn't mean it's not a nice watch,

but yeah, that is among the more tributey watches out there.

But it's a still nice watch and so you should enjoy it.

And they make some other shit, they're new.

The Belcanto is sick and they have a decompression timer

that is really, really cool fun summer watch.

Yeah.

Granny Shifton, not double clutching like you should

says, is the five-year replacement for tires?

A hard and fast rule.

On Michelin's website, it says that tires can go up to 10 years

as long as you inspect them annually after five years.

I think that's fair particularly

if you're talking about the entire population.

If you're talking about an average car kept in ideal conditions

and looked after regularly, yes, tires can go longer.

You know, if the car is kept indoors,

if they're not dry-rotted, if it's a car where like

like for instance, like Hannah's Delica,

the car lives inside, it's never driven very fast.

We certainly aren't pushing the handling.

We're never driving it in snow.

You know, they're regular tires.

They're falcon wild peak, slightly off-roady tires.

We put them on on 2019 and I think I can probably get

another year out of them, you know, before I replace them.

For that event, like yeah, the tires can go a little longer.

If you're driving a high-performance car

in high-performance situations,

get the fucking good tires, man.

Don't push, don't push your tires.

I mean, it's a circumstantial thing.

Like, how important is it that your tires need to be optimized?

I wonder how much, like if you put a tire outside

in SoCal where the sun's really intense

and the UV's intense and then you put one outside

in Washington.

I wonder, like if you could time-lapse that for 10 years,

see how, you know, this one gets more brittle around.

I'm sure the tire companies have, so if you work at one,

let us know.

Yeah.

Domesticated Jaguar XJS says the,

what are the wildest non-car activities

at manufacturer-hosted car events?

Example, the petting zoo at Camp Rivion.

That's the first time heard of the petting zoo.

That's funny.

It doesn't surprise me.

Is that a made-up, like Joker?

Is that a, we don't know.

You know, I think you'd hear about stuff

that happened back in the day that was

like kind of wild.

There isn't like real crazy shit anymore.

There's like, in terms of like wildest,

it's more like you would drive one way

and they put you on like a sea plane

or something to go back.

Or like, I mean, I guess building the yurts

in the middle of the desert in Morocco for Dakar

is like, that's pretty wild, I guess.

But, hmm, what else is wild?

There's like helicopter stuff.

Like you can, like Lamborghini will helicopter you to thermal.

Yeah.

Which is like an hour long drive at the right time of day

and then you drive and then fly back

or something like that.

Not an hour long drive at the right time of day.

There's no time of day.

It's three o'clock in the morning.

There's no time of day you can get to thermal

in an hour.

I have.

You have to break every law.

Well, I'm following Matthews law from the Bible

and so I'm breaking the law.

I just did, you know, I just really thought

Chuck Wallet was two and a half hours

and Chuck Wallet's three and a half hours.

Every bit of three and a half hours.

Except for that one time we drove back from there.

I do recall that.

That's a fucking life day.

The Rivian petting zoo was real.

It was?

I found some pictures on Reddit.

So it was like customers could drive cars and off road

and then sure enough, here's like I'm petting a mini horse.

When I become president of Rivian, I'm going to have make sure

there's ostriches and he moves at every event in every car.

Yeah, yeah, when I, when I, when I began elected, Chris from,

oh, Greg Norden says, Mary.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Mary Barra hires you to revamp the entire lineup.

All 400 cars.

All, all fucking 90 cars, you want to go by size?

Or do you want to go by?

What, what, all right, how about this?

What are, here, let's refine that question to something

that's actually reasonable for this podcast.

What are three changes we would make

to the General Motors lineup?

I, well, no one's going to like them.

All trucks are getting smaller.

Every single truck is instantly shrunk by 10%

all of them, cross-sport, every truck.

We're also, I would continue development of EV.

Yeah, which, right now they're probably not.

They're, and their EV crossovers are like pretty nice.

Like the Equinox and Blazer EV,

like those are pretty nice.

Their architecture is good.

Like they did the vault, like they should,

I'd bring back the vault.

Oh, yeah, I would bring back the vault

and I would make it awesome.

I'd put money into it again.

Hybridization is cool right now.

Everyone understands what a plug-in hybrid is.

You could go back and fucking reinvent the plug-in hybrid.

Yeah, follow Toyota's model.

Yeah, I would bring the Camaro back smaller,

just make it smaller.

Don't chase the Mustang in terms of size,

which I know would mean it wouldn't sell as well

because we'd have a smaller trunk,

but it's just the car got so big.

And it was a great thing to drive.

And actually Greg jokes after bringing back

the tracker convertible.

Beach cars are hot right now.

They are.

I think as a, I think doing a either a neighborhood

electric vehicle, an embracing mobility with a tracker

could be fucking with Gen Xers retiring.

I think you could sell a lot of those.

You know, I would just pivot the blazer hard

and go chase Bronco and Wrangler

because we see Bronco's granny wearing so cow,

but like that's a beach vehicle,

even if it's a capable off road vehicle.

So turn the blazer back into that.

Chris from Colorado says,

just re-watch the ammo video of your Kuntosh detail.

That's from like five years ago, maybe six.

At this point with the full engine rebuild

have you thought of respraying the car

so it's nearly a full restoration

and what color would you go with?

When I first talked to Tamarion a year and four months ago,

I asked about that.

I said the car is completely disassembled.

It'll never be closer to disassembled

than it is right now.

Is this the time to repaint the car?

And he said a cosmetic restoration on a Kuntosh

costs $125,000.

And every time, that's what he said what it costs.

And plus whatever you're spending on the mechanical.

And he said, what would probably happen is

after spending all that money,

I would end up with a car that was so perfect

I was afraid to drive it.

And he said, given that my car is original

and given the fact that I want to keep driving it,

I should leave it original,

touch up whatever I can't live with,

have a fresh mechanical car and keep driving it.

And if I ever want to sell it,

look into putting that money in then

because it could probably return 200 on the other end.

But I had absolutely no interest

in spending that kind of money.

Nor could I, if I wanted to in this car.

And I think there's something pretty cool

about having original paint and just keep driving it.

The rock chips don't bother me.

I don't give a shit.

But they said it's nearly impossible

to remove Kuntosh's glass without breaking some of it.

And it's fucking impossible to replace.

It's nearly impossible to remove Kuntosh's interior

without tearing the leather.

And it's really hard to replace it with that

and get it to match.

He said, he said shit always goes wrong

when you start taking them apart.

And you end up with insane while you're in there

so it just fucking completely spiral out of control.

He's like, here's this pretty good.

You know, it's not a piece of shit.

It's like it's a nice car.

You know, you can touch it up as needed and it's fine.

But I plan to drive it for the next 25 years.

Fuck it.

It's red gold.

If we were to change the color, I would change it

to a green gold.

That would look good.

Like an emerald green with the gold and the tan interior.

And it would be fucking so sick.

Zach's herniated disc dedicated track day car,

Dark Horse R versus Cayman Club Sport.

The track is road America.

I'm currently driving a modded, heavily modified Cayman

looking to upgrade to a factory race car

for no reason other than fun.

That's interesting.

Yeah, well, didn't we talk to people

after we drove the BGB Cayman?

Some folks like when you start really pushing these cars,

especially with speed, and you can fix that with arrow

but like their suspension geometry

just gets a little bit wonky when you really hit that limit.

So I don't know if that happens with Dark Horse R.

I've been driven in that hard,

but I would choose Dark Horse just for sound

at road America alone, long straights, big speed.

I'd be there all day.

I think I'd probably rather have the Dark Horse

for long road America.

The power would make a difference.

Cayman race cars are great for smaller tracks.

Like they're not horrible on the road America,

but like you'd run out of power,

unless you're talking about a GT4 RS club sport,

which I don't think they are.

I would consider, I mean,

a Dark Horse R is 150 grand.

For 150 grand, you could get a pretty interesting

used cup car.

Like I would sort of skip over a Cayman club sport

and go straight to cup car at that point

because that money would get you into a cup car.

Not one with like pedigree or anything,

but you don't want to drive it.

Yeah, good point.

So like I would maybe consider that,

or if it's literally not going to be street driven ever

for 150 grand, you can buy radicals.

I mean, prototypey type.

Now, I totally understand wanting to buy a street based car,

you know, and not a race car race car,

but like, it's on the table.

It's a lot of money, true.

Depends on if you're going to trailer to drive it.

And what's great is that at that amount of money,

you can choose what kind of driving do you want front engine?

Radicals, like, that's a full arrow situation.

Mid engine is going to feel like a crazy go-cart

or you can have a street car experience.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think that you're on the right track

for sure.

And man, I mean, the Dark Horse R would be,

if you want a pretty, you know, no frills,

but also Mustang, I mean, no heading.

I'm pretty sure you've got a powertrain warranty on it.

Yeah.

For road America, that would be a very good time

because you got big straights.

You probably hit, I bet you hit 140 twice and 150 once

at that track in one of those.

Yeah.

Because warranty's a good point, which brings up,

you could buy someone's cool race car thing,

but then you have to maintain cool race car thing.

And if the engine's too complicated,

finding someone who can service that might reach out.

So keep that in mind.

Yeah.

Yeah, probably Dark Horse,

unless you want to race other, you know,

other Cayman specifically, like those have a place.

Everything clean, but the ash tray.

Any advice or discouragement for putting a lift

in my home garage?

There are some uncomfortably inexpensive options available.

Pennsylvania, no earthquakes.

I mean, if you have the room, and you don't mind,

I don't see any reason against.

I wouldn't buy the cheapest one out there,

but most of them are kind of the same.

Most of them are essentially Chinese products.

They use similar hydraulic motors.

They're similar quality.

I wouldn't get the cheapest,

but you don't need to buy the most expensive one either,

particularly if you don't have earthquakes.

But measure carefully, measure very, very carefully.

And even if you don't have earthquakes,

I would still bolt it to the floor.

Like I'd still do that part of it.

But yeah, no, if you've got room, go for it, for sure.

Cause if you could, if you have a car on the air,

and then you're pulling your other car in,

God forbid you bump one of those corners.

Like you make your own earthquake.

Yeah, yeah.

Now you have two big problems that are colliding with each other.

Sure.

Live axle rows, that's very good.

That's great.

Recommendation for a 30K car that will see some track time

on a two mile course in rural Michigan,

where the pavement is in rough shape.

Would be driven infrinctly,

and I don't want to be constantly doing repairs

so reliable is important.

Now you said it had a backseat option.

C5, 06 backseat.

Oh, right, sorry.

Then Mustang, like 2011, 1213 something with mods on it.

With stock engine, they'll run for a long, long time.

Yeah, spec E46.

Yeah, that's a good choice too.

Um,

pavement is in rough shape.

What car takes bumps really well?

I feel like that's really a spring weight,

spring, spring weight, spring rate situation,

especially if it's like,

if it has aftermarket coils,

then you have to choose your springs.

Base camons.

We just saw them out base cam.

Backseat, though.

Oh, backseat, you're right.

30K?

996's.

Uh, I really think Mustangs and Camaro's

are your best options here.

I mean, anything that's a in your rural Michigan.

Yeah, anything one le mag ride.

Yeah, you know, mag ride,

you're going to be able to handle bumpy roads pretty well.

If you could get an SS one le at that price,

that's a great car.

And look, stock Mustang GT's actually,

like a stock one will ride very well,

even with performance pack,

will ride very well on bumpy roads.

They're meant, they're actually meant for that.

Most people, you know, make them stiffer

to ride to handle better,

but if you're driving on bumpy roads,

they ride really good.

Dance of the car,

avoidance,

an update on the inherited C4 LT1 auto,

drove it home and it's surprisingly lovely.

The tires are 19 years old with good tread.

Holy shit.

Are the tires absolutely necessary

in place if I only plan on driving this thing twice a year

with a top street of 60 and no aggressive driving.

The whole trip is about 10 miles round trip.

You're not going to like this.

Yes.

19 years.

19 years is unacceptable.

You absolutely,

because it's not hand, like here's,

when the tires that hold,

the smallest edge of pavement,

you're having a blowout.

You're not having,

if you catch a nail,

you're having a blowout.

You're not having a regular flat.

Right.

Like, dude,

if you're going to have a fucking free car,

cough it up and get a set of tires.

Yeah.

Like, you got a car for the price of the tires.

That's how you think about that.

This is your own life.

That's good boy, man.

But it's true.

And I'm glad this person wants to keep it for a bit

because I remember they asked the question originally,

like they're like,

eh, I don't know and they enjoy it.

They fell in love, great.

Just take care of it.

Look, it's a funky cruiser.

Nothing wrong with a funky cruiser,

but like you, you cannot roll on 19 year old tires.

You just, you just can't, not in a Corvette.

Montana LLC CEO,

the board just voted no confidence on this, by the way.

What is was your top automotive bucket list activity?

Top one.

My top one is to do the Baja 1000.

Whether, I don't know if I ever be rich enough

or healthy enough to do that.

Driving the nerve ring is a great second place.

Like doing a, not even a race,

I just want to drive it for like a full day or two

and just do lessons and stuff.

Oh, and Colorado Hillclimb.

That one in the dirt.

That, that seems, it was worth one.

There's a work one that doesn't cost that much money

and I just want to run a V8 something

that just fires and gravel out the back.

Yeah, who do we get a rally car from?

Well, Craigslist, shit.

Okay, we have to work on that.

We should return my E320 free, free 320 into a rally car.

Yes, it's a convert, it's a convertible.

Yeah, well, cage, a lot of cage, cage convertible,

four-seater, yeah, that's not optimal, not optimal.

When my engine in Everlet explodes,

yeah, my top bucket, it's not a one single thing.

It's B on the fucking mast head of road and track.

And then the last my last week,

starting 9-11 Monday.

Wednesday is a Zinger 21C.

Friday is Mustang GTD and GT3 race car.

That's one week.

There it is.

Don't we don't, we don't need to go to the nerve ring for that.

We did, but that's fun too.

For other people, like Monaco Grand Prix is worth seeing,

car week is worth seeing, Bonneville Speed Week is worth seeing,

and F1 race once Daytona 500, once or Indy 500.

Do rally school.

It is so fun.

Doing a rally school, yeah, yeah.

At least try wheel to wheel racing.

You know, even at the Lemons level,

it's less intimidating.

Dude, I'm doing it next weekend.

It's so fun.

You're racing Lemons next weekend?

Yeah, 28th.

Where?

Bonneville.

Oh shit, really?

With luckers team?

Oh fuck.

I don't know this.

Next weekend.

Oh, I'm going on.

When I'm gone.

Yeah, yeah, I'm gone.

I'm doing all the driving.

I will not want to do any driving for my,

we'll see how much driving I do.

Hopefully the cars are good.

And so after last week, the flip side of last week

is my trainer Sean fucking shout out to him,

fit like Sean on Instagram.

At yesterday when we were training,

he was like, dude, your hips and quads

and hamstrings are so fucked up.

Super tight.

And I was like, yeah, all I've done since I last saw

you was drive drive cars.

Like, that's it.

And he's like, do people know how bad this job is

for your health?

And I was like, I think so.

But they don't like to hear me complain about that.

So I stopped and I'm like, they're like,

he's like, this job is really bad for your health.

Yeah, it's like sitting in a desk.

But if you lifted your leg a lot,

so you're activating the hip flex or more,

which just tightens the tightens the tightens it.

Yeah, yeah.

Piggly Wiggly Deluxe says after driving a few different EVs,

they ruined ice dailies for me.

The delay in throttle, the shifting, and et cetera,

is frustrating.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyone who's had a daily EV pretty much

determines that combustion engine daily drivers

are worse than EV daily drivers.

As long as you got someone to charge it, smooth, it's quiet.

You get places a little more relaxed.

If you have one pedal drive, you're chilling a little more.

Very nice.

Roof, yellow, lead birder, superb.

If you had free paint to sample coupons with no restriction,

what would you buy or build?

Now, it just means free car and free PTS.

I don't know.

Free P, the most expensive PTS I can think of

is a clear thing on a clear carbon on a Pagani.

Oh yeah, I was going to say like $9.11,000 with something

with some PTS color.

Sure.

But yeah, I forgot that we could go up to like the green tinted carbon.

Green tinted singer, yeah.

Yeah, or if it's, if it's, we're talking 9.11 PTS,

South C's a blue metallic, please, on the 9.11 ST.

Matt is addicted to cheesy.

Once neural link is established and proven,

would you get it?

Absolutely fucking not.

We need to, I think we also need to clarify

what established proven means.

Like 20 years without any sort of hiccup

where no one's brain rejects it and they die.

And by then I'll be too old to have it implanted anyway.

So listen, I don't even want a fucking Alexa in my house either.

Yeah, we know, I don't need any of this.

No, I don't need my, I don't need a connected body.

No, hard, hard fucking no.

And not just because it's Elon Musk

and he's a fucking shiasty grifter, not because of that.

Let's just say it's not attached to him.

It would you ever like any chip in your brain

if you do anything?

No, do not require this at all.

I don't even, I'm not that even,

I wore the whoops strap for a couple of months.

I don't even like what it had to say.

I was gonna ask you actually.

It told me some shiner out myself.

You can have it.

I told it, it told me some shit about myself

that I already fucking knew.

It's like a bad horoscope.

I don't need fucking, I don't need a bit of data to go.

You're tired, you should sleep more.

I don't need a fucking thing to tell me that.

No.

Maybe when there's like, I would one day maybe consider

a couple of generations down the road.

I would consider maybe the Aura ring

if it was like really for like, you know,

if it could really have like not like pick up

all the warning signs of like some really bad shits

about to go down, you know, like that blood cell

account cholesterol, yeah, some really bad shits

about to go down, you know, and you need to know about it.

It's gonna serve a dog that's trained for that.

I think that'd be fucking better.

I'd rather have that.

The only thing I think it'd be like,

can I have a service cat that just like,

it's like, I'm fucking on the chest,

what I need to go.

So you gotta know it's like the certain,

it's not just warning, scritches,

it wants your attention to call 911, hard to determine.

Yeah.

The only thing I think it'd be cool

if you could just speak every language with your link,

but now the AirPods announced that like fish.

Well, that, but now they're gonna have like live translate

through Apple AirPods, which that's crazy.

It hurts Babelfish and Dueling goes like,

God damn it.

I would like to try using that.

That to me would be pretty incredible.

I think it'll be like a little clunky,

but it's very cool.

I mean, even just the camera one.

Yeah.

Google translate camera?

God, I mean, that's like, that's a game changer.

Traveling now with Google translate,

if I need to ask an important question

to an airline agent or whoever,

it's so helpful to be able to write

and I show it to them and they can help me

instead of me gesturing and pantomiming and all that stuff.

Yeah.

Jacking off the record.

I haven't seen this.

Thoughts on the new Portia design paint to sample watch.

Is it just, yeah, no, this is, it's not some new thing.

Yeah, if you get a Portia design watch

paired with your paint to sample car,

I think, I don't think it has to be a GT3.

Let's paint the ring.

They will paint the, what's called the,

the re-hote ring to match your, your shit.

And they'll also give you, I think, a matching strap

and I think maybe something on the case back

as well as painted, something else is painted to, but yeah.

Okay.

I, I very much like Portia design watches.

And I, a bunch of times considered,

you know, if the price was right, I would get one of those.

But every time I can, I really think about it more,

I'm like, when am I gonna wear it instead of what I've got

already?

And it, it never seems to win that equation.

I think, I like this style.

What is it?

Where's that like all the different dials and stuff?

And, but there's so many different places

I could get that kind of watch.

I don't use the chronographs.

I mean, Portia design watches are real watches.

They're, they're Swiss made, they're, it's, it's not,

it's really the only brand that gets a full on pass

with the car overlap thing.

I just, they even offered me one

at a ridiculously good price at one point

and I was just like, I just don't know

when I'm gonna wear this thing.

But if you want a matchy matchy your car,

I'm pretty sure Spike got a matchy matchy on their ST.

You got a matchy watch with it.

And yeah, I think if you go on eBay,

you can get these, get those for like pretty cheap

and you know, like three grand used.

Now we're, now we're fucking, now we're talking.

I think Ali got a good deal on one used.

Formula one time at Bandcamp.

So good.

Wait, like it was like American Pie

which is the firm that one time at Bandcamp,

I stuck a flute.

Oh, Formula one, oh,

Formula one time at Bandcamp.

I think if maybe if the, if he wrote,

if they wrote out the word O and E,

I might have interpreted the joke better.

But if I speak it, it's funny.

Nice one.

Am I familiar with the song Dune Buggie

by the presidents of the United States of America?

So, I fucking hate the presidents

of the United States of America.

Really?

That fucking peaches song is,

that's an album so much for Northern high school.

The song really reinforces to me

that I could never be a musician

because if I wrote that song,

I would then go,

this is garbage and throw it in the trash.

I wouldn't be like,

I need to call a record label now.

No fucking way.

That's true.

They also might have just written it as jokes

and then it just became successful.

That can happen too, yeah.

That can happen too.

That happened with,

I just saw a documentary about,

is it the Billy Joel documentary?

I think it might have been Billy Joel documentary

where there was the song that wasn't gonna be a big hit

and then it was a big hit

and he was like,

I have to go make a music video for this now.

Well, Sarah and I had dinner with Misha Mansour

and his chick on Sunday, Sarah.

And we were talking about bands

and they said that one of the stories of alien and farm

was that they all disliked each other so much

during their big tour

that they had separate tour buses for each of them.

And my thought was,

they were that successful

that they could have individual tour buses.

So for a moment,

they copied Michael Jackson,

the song caught fire and they went,

oh shit, we're making loot,

like let's make this work for a year

to be fade into existence.

So I wonder if, you know,

President of the United States of America

did the same thing with Peaches

and they just hit it.

Maybe.

What would be a good song to play

every time your car started?

So what's the first song in the alphabet

in your iTunes list?

That's the one we have to live with most of it, right?

It used to be Motorhead.

Yeah, he's a spade.

Can't listen to the song anymore, yeah.

Well, now I have that song

that's a very good song.

Do you have that as well?

I don't have it anymore,

but I know it's just silent, right?

It's very important to the silent song.

That's the perfect song to play

when you start your car is no fucking song at all.

Still I still got that same CD in the vanquish,

track one, Salisbury Hill, Peter Gabriel

gets you in a driving mood, does get you happy.

Yep.

Um, but, uh, okay.

Hang on, uh, uh, uh, uh, Stiggy Pop says, oh,

uh, I recently pulled my dad's 1975

Seiko 5 out of a drawer, put a new crystal on it

and started wearing it.

It's never been service, but keeps time just fine.

Should I spend the, quote, value of the watch

on a service or let it ride?

Do you have a photo of that watch?

Yeah.

Um, here's the thing, the value on that watch

is it's priceless.

It's your dad's, right?

Assuming, assuming there's some kind of connection

to your dad that is important about this watch, huh?

There's at least one.

No, yeah, right.

But like, like, is it, is it, did your dad

like throw it away?

Is it junk to your dad or did your dad die?

And you've, you're going through his things

and you found it like, how special is it?

Because, yes, this watch is like not a valuable watch

and it would probably cost you a couple hundred dollars

to fully service the watch from Seiko.

But it's your dad's watch.

And like, you want to keep it running right now.

If it's running good now, do you need to service it

preventatively now?

No, you could send that watch back to Seiko

in Mauwa, New Jersey at any time

and they'll have the parts to service that watch.

They could service it even if it just is totally seized

and stopped.

So wear it until it stops keeping good time

and then have it serviced.

You won't cause any damage to it by just wearing it

and because, and it's not rare enough

that parts won't exist.

Like, Seiko has all the parts in the world

to service that watch.

So it's a good thought.

Wear it in good health.

Construction Delay.

That's great.

Delay.

We have a construction delay.

Delay.

For a young professional,

should I get a 996 base with the IMS issues fixed

or a BRZ TS?

I think 996.

A 996 provided if it has to be in the shop

for something longer than expected for some reason,

you still have some other way to get to work.

Sure, like taking an Uber for a few days

or taking the train for whatever isn't like

such a hard ship.

That's what I'm trying to say.

You know what I mean?

And also like some costs because 996

is gonna be expensive to service.

That's true.

I mean, TS is a lot of fun.

I don't like it as a commuter

because it's loud on the highway.

It's a really fun car.

And if you're a professional,

maybe you already know you're gonna become

a Porsche person anyway.

So you could just spend a little time

with Toyota Subaru before you never go back.

Mm-hmm.

High subsides.

Sobsidee.

That's like that Instagram.

There's an Instagram.

High snobbyety.

Oh, yeah.

If you were tasked with remaking rendezvous

in LA at three in the morning,

what car would you do it with?

If you couldn't overlay the sound with a Ferrari.

A rally car.

Yeah, a rally car.

Or like that totem GT thing.

That would be fun.

That would be pretty cool.

Yeah.

And that was soft enough that would absorb

LA's imperfections.

Or I mean, I've said it before,

like the Hunicorn, you know?

Let's do it a little bit.

Yeah.

Yeah, some ground clearance here.

Yeah.

Because some of the intersections in LA

have these huge, you know, dips

where like the rain gutters are.

And everyone slows down even crossovers

let alone sports cars.

Like you could take off your oil pan and the car.

Rally car.

Actually, I mean, the real way to do it

would be a Machee rally.

So you could do it like silently too.

That's true fucking mob.

That's the best way to do it and get away with it.

Mm-hmm.

And then you can't dub the sound, so.

Yeah.

Dre from Houston said, wait, what?

I don't have any answer for that one.

I'm sorry.

I also think Ronin was intended to have a good,

like they spent money on that car chase.

Yeah, what cars and movies come to mind

then end up being heavy and automobile

that didn't intend to be.

Ronin's not a good example of that.

I think Ronin is intended to be.

I also don't think Bullets a good example.

Like they, it was like a 12 minute car chase.

That was a big focus of that film.

Yeah.

The rest of the movie sucks, but that's notwithstanding.

But both of those, the car's chases

were like fixtures and action highlights

of each of those movies.

I mean, that was a climax of Ronin.

Was it Chase?

I mean, maybe something like Top Gun,

where his motorcycle and the Porsche 356 did become iconic

in their own way.

Maybe the rock kind of, I mean, the car chase was three minutes.

Yeah.

And the rest of the film is full of action, of course.

But we all remember, for I flying out of window,

you started my Humvee, all that stuff.

Pulp fiction has certain iconic automotive scenes,

even though...

The question there would be do people

who are not nerds like us notice the cars in Pulp fiction,

or is it just us with NSX and the Wolf?

It's probably just us.

Have you, or Amelia, that didn't intend to be?

James Bond, I was going to know that's the example.

No, that's the incredibly honest one.

Well, even the ones that weren't sponsored by Eston Martin.

Yeah.

Fast five, you know, it intended to be a heist movie,

but it actually turns into a car film.

Yeah.

All right, I gotta spend more time on that one.

That's like, those type of questions are hard,

because it's like, search your entire brain database

for a sort of left field question.

You know, it helped with that?

A neuralink.

Yeah, if I just became AI, yeah.

That's what, yeah.

Why have a podcast?

I could just become AI.

Like, there's no, like, none of that, like,

80s Spielberg stuff, right?

Like, there's no interesting cars in, like, ET.

ET, or any of that shit.

All bicycles.

Yeah.

And you know, someone out there is like,

some snobby old person with questionable politics,

probably watches Indiana Jones.

Maybe like, you know the Mercedes that they're driving

right now was actually like a Nazi sled.

Yes, I do.

Those are the flags.

Risky business, maybe with the Porsche Intuit, right?

I guess you could have a little John Hughesy in there.

Was it weird science that had the Mondial?

They got at the end?

Is that weird science?

Oh, yeah, I think so.

Yeah.

I suppose there's a sense of a woman Ferrari thing,

but that scene is very much an on-the-nose

true scene about the fucking Ferrari, so.

Good scene, yeah.

Yeah, it's like, like, you'd be looking for a move,

like, you're not looking for movies that have interesting cars.

It's gotta be a movie where the cars are dull as fucking rocks

and somehow become,

because the movie wouldn't be about that.

If the movie has interesting cars in it,

it's probably because it's a car movie, right?

I think so.

Like, it was hard.

Like, if the car is a fixture of the plot,

like someone mentioned Ferris Bueller in the chat,

that is like, that scene was.

The Ferrari, too, for that, no, that's a central,

it's a central part of the plot.

Yeah, his dad getting him in trouble,

we're yelling at him all that stuff.

Yeah, he's driving home.

Dominating and wrecking the fucking car

that's like Cameron's entire storyline

is him having to raise up and face his father

by the forced wrecking of the car.

I think a good example,

and this is like articles from back in the day

that would talk about this stuff is breaking bad.

Cars were not fixtures of the plot at all,

but they were chosen well and kind of provided good articles

for folks because it was like,

this car was chosen with intention

and really supports the character.

Right, I think to that end,

like the sopranos is gotta be every character

in that show drives the right car.

And most of them are not enthusiast cars at all.

And there's no car chases in that show at all, right?

Not like traditional car.

In the very first episode,

Tony runs a guy down in Alexis,

like a guy on foot and that's, it's funny.

He's working, right?

Funny scene, the car keeps going, yeah.

I don't think we ever see the Lexus again.

It's Christopher's car from the pilot,

but from the pilot to episode two,

there's quite a few changes

and I don't think Christopher drives the Lexus anymore.

We're gonna put the fucking moto weapon in the garage

he Christopher has some of the most bizarre

fucking car choices in that show.

He drives some really strange.

At one point, he has like his car gets stolen,

is like Range Rover gets stolen

and he's rolling for two or three episodes

in a Pontiac Bonneville.

It's really weird.

You know, these Goombas driving

on his front wheel drive Cadillac.

Well folks, I am, I'm getting the fuck out of LA

for about 18 days.

I'm doing the road and track seaside to Sierra Rally.

San Francisco to Reno across the Sierra is gonna be epic

and then I'm going straight to Performance Car of the Year

at Thunder Hill and then from there,

I'm going to play A round of golf at Pebble Beach

with my old man as a little what-have-y's end of summer

special before driving back home.

And I'm driving that entire loop in the Audi RS3.

So I'm gonna have like 1,200 miles of RS3 review

for you, not to mention Peacody,

which will be fucking sick.

That's Performance Car of the Year for those of you

who don't know, better act somebody.

All right, holy shit, is it 12.45?

Oh my God, I have to go.

Thanks guys, love you, see you later, bye.

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