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#428 - BHPH on the Border: Managing Risk, Repos & Growth in El Paso

#428 - BHPH on the Border: Managing Risk, Repos & Growth in El Paso

The Independent Dealer Podcast Apr 23, 2026 43 min
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About this episode

Caesar Stark, an El Paso, TX buy-here-pay-here dealer, breaks down how border dynamics and policy shifts have changed his risk management. He explains how Mexican vehicle legalization led to more cars crossing the border, wiping out liens and complicating repos, especially when Texas registration rules tightened for customers with certain IDs. Stark also covers his growth path from insurance into dealerships, scaling without family money, and why GPS tracking, portfolio discipline, and collections systems matter. He ties it together with years of TIADA involvement, community fundraising, and his upcoming NQD competition.

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Concept

repos

"Episode: #428 - BHPH on the Border: Managing Risk, Repos & Growth in El Paso"

“Repos” are when the car is taken back because the buyer didn’t make payments. For dealers that do their own financing, handling repos well is crucial to staying profitable.

Concept

risk management

"Episode: #428 - BHPH on the Border: Managing Risk, Repos & Growth in El Paso"

Risk management means the dealer tries to avoid losing money when customers can’t pay. With BHPH, that usually involves careful screening and having a plan if a car has to be taken back.

Concept

pre-purchase inspection

"[2424.1s] I said are you gonna [2426.1s] I think it was a car it was worth a couple [2428.1s] thousand dollars it was gonna cost me"

A PPI is a mechanic’s inspection before you buy a used car. It helps you avoid buying something with hidden problems that could cost a lot later.

Concept

BHPH

"Episode: #428 - BHPH on the Border: Managing Risk, Repos & Growth in El Paso"

BHPH means the dealer sells the car and also takes care of the financing payments. That’s different from a bank loan, and it can be riskier for the dealer if customers fall behind.

Concept

legalize all the vehicles that are here illegally

"Because the Mexican government came up with the bright idea that, you know what, we're going to try to legalize all the vehicles that are here illegally."

This is about a government changing the rules so cars that were previously not allowed can become legal. The hosts are saying that this kind of change can make it harder for dealers to get cars back.

Concept

bill of sale

"So all you had to percent was a bill of sale and you get your plate, get your registration, and you're set."

A bill of sale is a paper that proves who sold the vehicle to whom. Here, the point is that Mexico is treating that paperwork as sufficient to get plates and registration, which affects what happens to vehicles dealers have.

Concept

liens

"They didn't hit it. Yeah, your liens. Correct."

A lien is like a legal “hold” on a car when someone still owes money on it. In this story, the concern is that when the car gets handled through Mexico’s process, those claims may no longer protect the lender/dealer the way they normally would.

Concept

collections boot camp

"Yeah, but it's a collections boot camp. So we send her in, she learns, she comes home. It's Atlanta."

A “collections boot camp” is training for staff on how to get paid when customers fall behind. It teaches the right steps and timing so the dealership can recover money more effectively.

Topic

Atlanta

"So we send her in, she learns, she comes home. It's Atlanta. Come on."

They’re talking about a training trip to Atlanta. It’s basically where the boot camp is happening.

Company

TIADA

"And I am a member of TIADA. I sit on the board with them and been on the board"

TIADA is a group for car dealers. Being part of it can help dealers learn from each other and stay informed about rules and business issues.

Company

EPIADA

"I am the local president of the local chapter, the EPIADA. Been doing that president for six years."

EPIADA is the local chapter the speaker leads, referenced as being important due to the distance from larger hubs. Local dealer chapters often coordinate events, training, and support tailored to regional needs.

Concept

dealer association local chapter

"Well, that's, I guess, being that far out in Texas, having that local chapter is super important"

The speaker emphasizes that having a local chapter matters when dealers are far from major cities or central meetings. In practice, local chapters reduce travel burden and help members solve problems faster through regional relationships.

Term

curbstoning

"“...sometimes we fall into it backwards because we're curbstoning and then we got to get legal.”"

Curbstoning means selling cars like a dealer without being a licensed dealer. It’s often done informally, and that can lead to legal trouble and problems for buyers.

Concept

finance side of it

"“...I kind of fall in through the finance side of it where I was kind of chasing money and ended up tripping over cars.”"

The “finance side” is the part of the car business that deals with getting customers approved for loans and managing the money side of the sale. It affects both how much the dealer earns and how risky the deals are.

Concept

flipped it

"So not leaving my insurance business aside, I just bought a car, put it for sale, flipped it, and then that one car turned into another one."

Flipping a car is when someone buys a car and sells it again pretty quickly to make money. The goal is to sell for more than they paid, but they have to cover things like repairs, transport, and paperwork.

Topic

starting a dealership without a business plan

"they kind of look at you like a curb stone and I said, no, and eventually, you know, got to get a license out of place and all of a sudden I'm a dealer without planning it or without, you know, even having a business plan in place."

They’re saying they didn’t plan to become a dealer at first—they just started selling cars. Over time it grew, but starting without a plan can be risky because you still have to handle the rules and the money side.

Term

license out of place

"eventually, you know, got to get a license out of place and all of a sudden I'm a dealer without planning it or without, you know, even having a business plan in place."

Dealers usually need a license that’s tied to where they operate. If you’re “out of place,” it means you might not be legally set up at that location yet.

Company

TIEDA

"I was TIEDA back in 2011, and I haven't missed a beat except for the COVID year, you know, dinner every year."

TIEDA is a dealer group that helps independent car dealers network and learn from each other. Going to conferences through it is a way to stay up to date in the industry.

Topic

managing risk and growth in a used-car dealership

"[492.3s] I got three locations, three offices to town. [495.8s] I'm blessed to have my sister help me run it [499.1s] so I can kind of leave that in her lap, you know, [501.5s] and she runs with it. [503.5s] And then, of course, I'm the local recording agent, [506.2s] so, but I also wear my dealer cap."

They talk about how a dealership owner runs multiple offices and uses insurance to help stabilize the business. The idea is to grow without putting all the risk on just buying and selling cars.

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inventory risk (cars vs insurance)

"[510.0s] Well, that way that insurance is a great business. [512.5s] I have several friends that are in the insurance business [514.8s] and they've got a good bit of money doing it. [517.1s] The inventory for insurance is a lot easier [519.3s] than the inventory for cars."

They’re saying car inventory is risky because you have to buy and store cars and they can lose value. Insurance is more like selling a service—more paperwork and less physical risk—so it can feel easier to manage.

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reinsurance

"and who I use for all my reinsurance products. I can't thank them enough for teaching me so much [558.1s] about reinsurance over the years"

Reinsurance is like “insurance for the insurance.” If one side has to pay out big claims, reinsurance helps cover some of that risk so the whole system doesn’t get overwhelmed.

Term

warranties

"My customers have options of warranties [569.4s] and service contracts, gap."

A warranty is a promise that if something breaks, the cost of certain repairs will be covered for a period of time.

Term

service contracts

"My customers have options of warranties [569.4s] and service contracts, gap."

A service contract is an agreement to help pay for repairs after the factory warranty ends. It’s basically “planned coverage” for future breakdowns.

Term

gap

"My customers have options of warranties [569.4s] and service contracts, gap."

GAP helps cover the “missing money” if your car is totaled and the insurance payout doesn’t cover what you still owe on the loan.

Concept

pay here, lease here

"So if you are a buyer, pay here, lease here, pay here [578.5s] or retail dealer, it works for all dealers."

This is a type of dealer financing where the dealer is basically the lender. Since the dealer takes on more risk, they often use extra tools to protect themselves.

Concept

in-house risk

"You can insure your own stop giving money [583.4s] to those third party providers... Keep it in-house, call the guys and girls over at Buckeye [589.4s]"

In-house risk means the dealer tries to handle the coverage risk themselves instead of outsourcing it. That can give more control, but it also means the dealer has to be prepared for claims.

Company

Buckeye Risk Services

"Keep it in-house, call the guys and girls over at Buckeye, [589.4s] risk services and get set up ASAP."

Buckeye Risk Services is a company mentioned as helping dealers set up coverage and risk protection. Think of them as a specialist that helps you get the paperwork and setup right.

Concept

claims ratios

"and they're still watching my claims ratios [614.2s] and I've got to be within a certain ratio [615.8s] or they're going to start getting mad at me."

Insurance companies track how often claims happen and how expensive they are. A “claims ratio” compares what they pay out to what they collect. If your ratio is too high, they may get stricter or charge more.

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liability insurance

"Well, I'm sure you're able to still write the liability [654.2s] through your company [655.5s] and probably pick up the renters insurance [659.1s] and the other types of stuff as that goes, right?"

Liability insurance helps pay for damage or injuries you’re legally responsible for. If something goes wrong, it can cover lawsuits and repair costs. Dealers often try to set this up for customers as part of the deal.

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bundling renters insurance and other policies

"and probably pick up the renters insurance [659.1s] and the other types of stuff as that goes, right? [662.1s] That's all we try to do."

They’re talking about selling more than one insurance type to the same customer—like renters plus auto, and sometimes business or homeowners. Doing it together can be easier for the customer and may come with discounts. It also helps the dealer make more money from the insurance side.

Term

CPI

"Yeah, we get them the liability [663.0s] through the insurance agency and the CPI through us [669.1s] and then hopefully we get their auto, their business"

CPI is an insurance acronym mentioned as something the dealer provides, but the episode doesn’t define it here. It likely refers to a specific coverage add-on tied to the vehicle or the deal. You’d want to ask what CPI stands for and what it pays for.

Concept

Selling cars into multiple states (cross-state sales)

"I find it, Jeff, I find this interesting. And you're kind of in that area too, where you, you sell cars into multiple states. You've got Nevada, you've got California, you got... Arizona."

They’re discussing what it’s like to sell cars to customers in other states. Different states have different rules and paperwork, so it can be more complicated than selling only locally.

Concept

registration

"So all you had to percent was a bill of sale and we get you played, get you registration and you're set. Well, guess what? A lot of my vehicles started going over there."

Registration is the paperwork that makes a car legal to drive in a given place. If registration becomes easier to obtain, it can affect whether a car can be recovered later.

Term

past due

"And the thing that I'm encountering... it was customers that were past due."

Past due means the customer hasn’t made the payment on time. That’s when the lender may start taking action to get the car back or reduce the loss.

Concept

cents on the dollar recovery

"Put a Mexican plate on it... you know, cents on the dollar, you know, a couple of thousand on a $10,000 car."

They’re saying the car might only be worth a small fraction of what it cost once it’s recovered or sold. So the lender/dealer loses money even after getting the vehicle back.

Term

Mexican plates

"Put a Mexican plate on it... he's driving out with Mexican plates."

They mention Mexican license plates to explain that the car is being used/registered differently after crossing the border. That can make it harder for the original lender to find and recover it.

Term

GPS

"...the vehicle was still load over here... he's driving out with Mexican plates. We got in a couple, you know, recovered when they come across with the GPS."

GPS is a location system. If a car has a GPS tracker, the dealer can sometimes find it and recover it instead of guessing where it went.

Term

Texas title

"So once it comes back over, is it now American rule you can repo it because you have a Texas title? Correct."

A title is the paperwork that proves who legally owns the car. If it’s a Texas title, it can matter for what steps a dealer or lender can take under Texas law.

Concept

repo it

"So once it comes back over, is it now American rule you can repo it because you have a Texas title? Correct."

“Repo” means taking the car back because the buyer didn’t keep up with the payments. The rules for how you can do that can change depending on where the car is titled and what laws apply.

Concept

across the border

"If I'm know that the vehicle is going to be garage or, or kept overnight and across the border, I won't do it"

Moving a car across the border can make it harder to enforce the deal if there’s a problem. That’s why the dealer may avoid selling if the car will be kept over there.

Concept

underwrite it

"Oh, no, no. I mean, you underwrite it and you do the best you can."

Underwriting is the process of deciding whether a buyer is a safe risk for a car loan. If there’s a chance the car will be moved out of the dealer’s legal reach, the risk goes up.

Concept

get it inspected to get it registered

"and he can't even get it over here [1026.1s] to get it inspected to get it registered [1028.1s] because he can't bring it back"

To re-register a car, you usually have to get it inspected first. If the car can’t legally cross the border, it can’t be inspected, and then it can’t be re-registered.

Concept

stuck there

"And so, so they get stuck there, [1033.1s] but when you're doing it and it's, [1035.1s] I mean, for me, it's, you know,"

“Stuck there” describes a failure mode in cross-border vehicle recovery: the vehicle can be located but not legally moved or processed, turning a recoverable asset into a stranded one. This increases dealer/lender risk because the cost and time to resolve the situation can grow quickly.

Concept

50 to 50 hours

"it's, you know, [1037.1s] 50 to 50 hours. [1039.1s] You're 15 minutes away."

They’re saying it takes a very long time to handle these cases. When it takes that long, it costs more and becomes riskier for the dealer trying to recover the car.

Concept

utility bill

"Yeah, they can produce a utility bill for maybe their mom at that same address that they're giving me that's on their license, but they may actually be living across the border because the cost of living is a lot cheaper a litter."

A utility bill can be used as proof of where someone lives. Lenders ask for it to confirm the address on your ID is real, which helps them feel more confident about approving financing.

Concept

documented

"How do you do it with citizenship? Is it, is it you have to be documented because I don't know if you're going to get deported tomorrow?"

“Documented” means you have the proper legal paperwork to be in the country. The hosts are discussing how that can affect whether a dealer feels comfortable financing someone.

Concept

immigration-related ID/document changes affecting dealer operations

"it didn't matter if it was Mexico ... as long as it was valid, we were able to sell them a car ... But all of a sudden that changed ... once the customer cannot renew their plates? What's going to happen? Turn it back into a dealership here."

They’re saying a change in what IDs are accepted can affect whether customers can keep their car legally registered. If customers can’t renew plates, the car may end up stuck with the dealer instead of being used normally.

Concept

swapping a bunch of ownership

"It's going to be an issue. It's going to be swapping a bunch of ownership"

They’re talking about cars changing owners a lot. That usually means lots of paperwork and uncertainty about who is responsible for the car at each step.

Topic

Sourcing cars that far in a remote location

"Sourcing cars that far in the middle of nowhere. Is it difficult? Are you still relying on Dallas and Houston and places like that"

They’re discussing how a dealer finds cars when they’re not near big cities. It’s basically about where the inventory comes from and how hard it is to get it there.

Topic

relying on Arizona (Phoenix) for inventory

"A lot of us rely on Arizona, Phoenix. You know, it's closer to us"

The dealer explains that they rely on Arizona—specifically the Phoenix area—for sourcing cars because it’s closer to El Paso than other markets. This is a common strategy for independent dealers: choose the nearest high-volume inventory region to reduce transport cost and time.

Topic

inventory sourcing

"So, we're six hours away from Phoenix and eight hours away from Dallas. So, a lot of the inventory source from there. We get some also from Dallas or even Lubbock."

They’re talking about where the dealership buys its cars from. Where those cars come from affects how much they cost and how easy they are to get.

Concept

transportation cost

"That adds an extra cost to every transaction you do, right? Definitely. You've got to take into account that transportation."

If the cars come from another city, you have to pay to move them. That extra cost usually changes what the dealer can charge and still make money.

Company

BlitzPay

"I do it through BlitzPay. The guys and girls at BlitzPay are great, amazing, attentive on top of it. I have had little to no issues since I switched over from that other company."

BlitzPay is mentioned as the payment solution the dealer uses to manage money flow. The host claims it reduces issues compared with a previous provider, which matters for operational reliability.

Term

automated texts

"And the backing automation, I've actually been working with that for a couple of dealers here lately and going in and changing up these automated texts that go out. Super simple."

Automated texts are messages that get sent automatically to customers. The goal is to prompt a quick response—like clicking a link to pay—without staff having to do everything by hand.

Term

AI

"And also they got this AI thing, Jeff. Pretty cool. Yeah, I'm stoked. They got the audio AI, the phone caller and hopefully very soon the texting version of that. So it'll help my collector be way more efficient in the future."

In this segment, “AI” refers to artificial intelligence features used to improve dealer communications—specifically audio-based phone calling and (soon) texting. The hosts frame it as a way to increase efficiency in collections and customer follow-up.

Concept

collections process

"I'm super stoked to see the AI get integrated in the collections process and BlitzPay is on the cutting edge of it."

The “collections process” refers to how a dealer follows up on overdue payments—contacting customers, negotiating, and attempting to recover delinquent balances. The hosts connect it to automation and AI, implying faster outreach and more efficient payment recovery.

Concept

buy here, pay here

"So if you're taking credit cards at all, whether you're buy here, pay here, lease here, pay here, even retail dealers can take advantage of this and use BlitzPay for their"

“Buy here, pay here” (BHPH) is a dealer-financed model where the dealership sells the vehicle and also collects the customer’s payments directly. Because the dealer is effectively the lender, collections efficiency and risk management are central to the business model.

Concept

lease here, pay here

"So if you're taking credit cards at all, whether you're buy here, pay here, lease here, pay here, even retail dealers can take advantage of this and use BlitzPay for their"

“Lease here, pay here” is a dealer-managed financing/contract structure where the dealership is involved in both the vehicle arrangement and payment collection. Like BHPH, it increases the importance of collections processes, payment handling, and reducing delinquency risk.

Term

credit card processing

"credit card processing, incredibly competitive rates, super easy interface. Call the team over at BlitzPay and move your credit card processing today."

Credit card processing is how a business accepts and completes credit card payments. The fees and approval speed can affect how much money the dealership keeps on each sale.

Term

carrying your own notes

"And then if you started carrying your own notes, was that from lines of credit? Was that family money? What was it?"

“Carrying your own notes” means the dealer is the one lending the money to the buyer. Instead of immediately selling that loan to a bank, the dealer keeps it—so they earn interest, but they also take on more risk.

Term

lines of credit

"And then if you started carrying your own notes, was that from lines of credit? Was that family money? What was it?"

A line of credit is like a credit card for the business, but with a bigger limit. The dealership can borrow up to a set amount when it needs money for things like buying cars or covering expenses.

Concept

cash sales

"Jeff, no money. No money. No family money, no nothing. Basically I started, it was all cash sales at the beginning. And then eventually, you know, I think"

Cash sales are when the buyer pays right away instead of getting a loan through the dealership. Early on, that can be easier because you don’t have to line up financing, but it can also slow growth if you don’t have enough money to buy inventory.

Concept

retail installment contract

"we didn't have the retail installment contract. It was like, you know, I'll take your word for it, you know, sign a piece of paper."

It’s basically the paperwork that lets a dealer finance a car sale. The customer pays monthly until the price is fully paid, and the contract defines what happens if payments stop.

Concept

payment strings

"They started doing the, they started doing the payment strings for me. Yeah, so that helped me build a portfolio."

“Payment strings” is a way of setting up the payment plan so money comes in consistently. It usually means the financing is organized through a partner so the dealer isn’t guessing how payments will work.

Concept

portfolio

"Yeah, so that helped me build a portfolio. But I wasn't really growing as much because"

Think of a portfolio like a bundle of car loans. Instead of depending on one customer, you have many loans at once, which can make the business steadier.

Concept

asset protection with vehicle tracking

"for you it's cost effective to put two in throwing a wired one and then throwing a wireless just as a decoy and then a backup because it's that important that we protect the asset."

This is about protecting the dealership’s cars. If someone tries to take a vehicle or disable tracking, having more than one tracking method (and a decoy) makes it harder to fully get away with it.

Term

VIN numbers

"We talked about it before, we got VIN numbers and these VIN numbers got to produce"

A VIN is like a car’s fingerprint. It helps the dealer identify exactly which car it is, and it’s used for paperwork and tracking if the vehicle is recovered or goes missing.

Term

On Time Device

"It was in a GPS I think it was called On Time On Time Device Yep, I remember those too."

This is basically a payment enforcement system. The car won’t start unless the payment situation is resolved, which pushes customers to pay on time.

Concept

two different providers

"one wired, one wireless and one thing that I do is I use two different providers. I had a bad experience"

They use two different service companies for the GPS so if one has trouble, the other can still work. It’s meant to prevent the system from going offline.

Topic

Texas Quality Dealer of the Year

"Cesar, I mean you've come from starting your business 26 years later and I'm pretty sure that you won the Texas Quality Deterer of the Year at TI-80A in 2025 and you're up for NQD this year."

They mention a dealer award in Texas. It’s basically a way of recognizing dealers who run their business well.

Concept

dealer compliance paperwork (forms)

"...I mentioned a form that has been out for four years now that our state implemented...are you not having this form signed like is this not in every deal..."

They’re talking about required paperwork that should be signed for every sale. If it’s missing, it can cause legal trouble and make the deal harder to manage later.

Term

OCCC

"...so just blows my mind and Texas is unique because you got OCCC that comes out and is in dealerships actively states like Utah..."

OCCC sounds like a state rule or oversight group that affects dealerships. The key point is that dealers have to follow whatever requirements it brings, and missing forms can create compliance problems.

Concept

state enforcement differences (Texas vs Utah)

"...Texas is unique because you got OCCC...actively states like Utah were very...we're not any more consumer or business friendly than Texas is...but we don't really have our in bed and enforcement division..."

They’re comparing how strict different states are with enforcement. If one state is more aggressive about inspections and penalties, dealers there usually have to be more careful with paperwork and processes.

Concept

audit

"[2072.1s] then they stay involved and it's [2074.1s] it's kind of weird because one [2076.1s] like I went to [2078.1s] through a no triple C audit [2080.1s] right and then they left"

An audit is an official review of a business’s records, processes, and compliance with regulations. In dealer contexts, audits can include checking paperwork, licensing, and whether the dealer’s practices match what regulators require.

Concept

state controller

"[2078.1s] through a no triple C audit [2080.1s] right and then they left [2082.1s] and then I had the state controller [2084.1s] and then they left"

The “state controller” is a government office that can oversee public funds and/or compliance-related matters depending on the state. In the transcript, it’s referenced as another regulator that can audit or enforce rules affecting dealer operations.

Concept

regulated by so many agencies

"[2086.1s] and then you get your local [2088.1s] we're regulated by so many agencies [2090.1s] that [2092.1s] that"

The segment highlights that dealers can be regulated by multiple levels of government and oversight bodies (state, local, and other agencies). For BHPH dealers especially, this means ongoing compliance work—staying current on rules to avoid fines, enforcement actions, or license issues.

Concept

recon

"to fix so recon has kind of increased on us here the last couple of years"

“Recon” means getting a used car ready to be sold. It can include fixing damage, making sure it’s safe, and cleaning it up so it looks and drives right.

Concept

total (totaled vehicle)

"you get a wrecked vehicle sometimes you most of those are going to be total because they have full sensors"

When a car is “totaled,” it means the damage is so expensive to fix that it’s not worth repairing. Newer cars can get totaled more often because the safety tech is costly to replace and recalibrate.

Concept

full sensors / cameras / lane assist (ADAS)

"just the cameras and the lane assist and all that stuff is just gets expensive"

Many newer cars have safety features that use cameras and sensors to help with things like staying in the lane. If the car gets into an accident, those parts can be expensive to fix and may need calibration.

Concept

thick skin

"[2408.1s] but it's not for everybody [2410.1s] you know you gotta have some thick skin [2412.1s] or you or you're gonna grow some thick skin"

They’re saying this kind of car business can be emotionally tough. You have to be able to handle setbacks without letting them derail you.

Concept

20 group

"...being in a 20 group yeah I mean it's one of the best decisions..."

A “20 group” in dealer circles usually refers to a peer group or mentorship network (often named after a founding cohort or program) where dealers share best practices and strategies. The speaker credits it with shaping how they run the business, implying structured learning and operational support. Without more context, the exact organization isn’t identifiable from the transcript alone.

Concept

cars that maybe driving themselves

"...it's gonna move faster with AI and it's gonna move faster um with cars that maybe driving themselves..."

They’re talking about cars that can drive themselves or do more of the driving. That could change how people buy cars and how dealers plan for the future.

Concept

charged (rather) than taking gas

"...with cars that maybe driving themselves or they're charged you know rather than taking gas..."

“Charged rather than taking gas” points to electric vehicles (EVs) that run on electricity instead of gasoline. For dealers, EVs can impact inventory strategy, charging-related customer questions, and servicing/repair planning.

Topic

NQD

"...we wish you good luck at NQD uh you just thank you so much..."

NQD looks like the name of an event the guest is attending. The excerpt doesn’t explain what it stands for, so it’s mainly a reference point.

Term

collection boot camps

"...you gotta be involved and stay dedicated uh attend some of those collection boot camps you should definitely you should definitely attend collection boot camps..."

A “collection boot camp” is training on how to handle late payments. The goal is to get customers back on track and reduce the number of cars that end up being taken back.

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