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974: The Great EV Stakeout, The Miami Special Edition, The French Connection

974: The Great EV Stakeout, The Miami Special Edition, The French Connection

Everyday Driver Car Debate Feb 25, 2025 74 min
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About this episode

The episode dives into the evolving landscape of electric vehicles (EVs), featuring guest Jordan Sheifer from Out of Spec. The discussion covers the current state of EV technology, the challenges manufacturers face, and the importance of driving dynamics in new models. Topics include the impact of Tesla's software superiority, the rise of Hyundai's Ioniq 5, and the implications of recent market trends on used EV values. The hosts also share insights on upcoming automotive events and personal car debates, making for a lively and informative conversation.

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Nürburgring

"...I have to start with Nurburgring news, which is not something I think I've said before in the podcast. And that is the ring. One of our very favorite places. One of my very favorite tracks has this crazy thing called TF days..."

The Nürburgring is a well-known race track in Germany where people can drive their cars. It's famous for being very challenging and beautiful. There's a part of the track called the 'Nordschelife' that many car enthusiasts love to drive on.

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TF days

"...has this crazy thing called TF days to listen to Martin, which is a fantastic word. I did want to say the word. That is the day where anybody can come in anything and drive the ring..."

TF days are special days when regular people can drive their cars on the Nürburgring track. It's a chance for car lovers to experience the excitement of driving on a famous race track.

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Nords Life

"...but motorcycles can continue to experience the Nords Life as part of guided tours on professionally organized training sessions for a safe yet intense Nords Life experience..."

The Nords Life is a famous part of the Nürburgring track that is very long and has many twists and turns. It's a popular place for car fans to test their driving skills and see how fast their cars can go.

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Company

Hooked on Driving

"...you can sign up right now through actually hooked on driving. But you get there by going to everyday driver.com on the adventures tab."

Hooked on Driving is a company that sets up events where car lovers can drive on racetracks and learn from instructors. It's a fun way to enjoy driving safely.

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track days

"...the biggest event of the year for hooked on driving and everyday driver right here, the 1000th podcast track days road trips..."

Track days are special events where you can drive your car on a racetrack. It's a safe place to go fast and learn how to handle your car better.

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Circuit of the Americas

"...the biggest event of the year for hooked on driving and everyday driver right here, the 1000th podcast track days road trips, circuit of the Americas in Austin, Koda."

Circuit of the Americas is a racetrack in Austin, Texas, where many big racing events happen, including Formula 1. It's designed to be exciting for both drivers and fans.

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Watkins Glen

"...our last event for today's podcast is Watkins Glen for July 4th weekend..."

Watkins Glen is another well-known race track in New York where many car races take place. It's famous for its beautiful scenery and exciting race events.

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HPDE

"...But of course, the HPD ease that HOD is famous for. Get your car on track..."

HPDE means High-Performance Driving Experience, where you can drive your car on a race track and learn how to handle it better at high speeds.

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EVs

"But but EVs also aren't going anywhere."

EVs stands for electric vehicles, which are cars that run on electricity instead of gas. They are better for the environment and can save money on fuel.

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Tesla Model
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Tesla Model

"...But I finally did add an EV to the fleet. The new Tesla Model 3, it was just an easy de facto, genuinely good c..."
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Tesla Model 3
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Tesla Model 3

"But I finally did add an EV to the fleet. The new Tesla Model 3, it was just an easy de facto, genuinely good car."

The Tesla Model 3 is an electric car that is popular for being fun to drive and having a lot of technology. It has a simple design inside and is considered very safe.

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EV

"...as a commuter, something that is insanely efficient, something so efficient that I theorize you can really live with it by plugging it into just a normal wall outlet..."

An EV is a car that runs on electricity instead of gas. This means you can charge it at home and it doesn't produce exhaust fumes like regular cars do.

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Jeep Wrangler
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Jeep Wrangler

"...olution for myself. But I love, I mean, meata and Wrangler, I mean, you're really leaning into, we've talked..."
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Nissan Leaf
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Nissan Leaf

"...not quite. I mean, Nissan Leaf was early. So everyone was like, wow, Nissan's really going to get it..."

The Nissan Leaf is an electric car that was one of the first to be sold widely. It's designed for everyday use and is known for being affordable and practical.

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Tesla Roadster
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Tesla Roadster

"Another question I commonly get is what's my favorite EV? Well, my favorite EV I've ever driven is still the old Tesla Roadster, which is something to your release."

The Tesla Roadster is a fast electric sports car that was one of the first of its kind. It was known for being able to go really far on a single charge.

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touch screen

"If I'm driving, I don't want to also be fighting with software. And as we can see, more and more cars are going more and more touch screen, taking buttons away."

A touch screen is a screen that you can touch to control things, like in a smartphone or tablet. In cars, it’s used to change settings instead of using buttons.

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0-60 time

"They had, you know, intriguing cars because of straight line speed. And that's really all people cared about was like, oh, what's this year 60?"

0-60 time tells you how fast a car can go from a stop to 60 miles per hour. It's a way to see how quick a car is compared to others.

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Mercedes-Benz Sclass
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Mercedes-Benz Sclass

"Okay. So I see you and Kyle as both performance drivers. But as you just identified up to now, EVs have just meant, well, we made the S-Class or the E-Class or the current model as an EV now."
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Mercedes-Benz Eclass
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Mercedes-Benz Eclass

"Okay. So I see you and Kyle as both performance drivers. But as you just identified up to now, EVs have just meant, well, we made the S-Class or the E-Class or the current model as an EV now."
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Hyundai Ioniq 5 N
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Hyundai Ioniq 5 N

"But I think with the I-5N that is now in general, the ON-8-5 is selling more and stealing Tesla sales from what I understand. But the I-5N, they did their N thing onto an EV, which as it turns out, is really quite good."

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N is a sporty electric car that is designed to be fun to drive, not just practical. It has special features that make it handle better on the road compared to regular electric cars.

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straight line speed

"...not just performance and name only where it's straight line speed, but performance that means cornering, handling something really quite delightful to drive and is engaging to enthusiasts."

Straight line speed is how fast a car can go in a straight line, like when you press the gas pedal to speed up quickly. It's just one part of what makes a car fun to drive, as it doesn't show how well the car can turn or handle curves.

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Hyundai Ionic 5
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Hyundai Ionic 5

"...ood. They do people moving things, but having the Ionic 5 in as a flagship car, it did super well at Pike's..."
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Pike's Peak

"...it did super well at Pike's Peak, Randy Pubes couldn't overheat as hard as he tried..."

Pike's Peak is a mountain in Colorado where cars race to the top. It's known for being a tough race that tests how well cars can perform.

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electric vehicle (EV)

"...I have my complaints about software, but they do the EV thing,..."

An electric vehicle, or EV, is a car that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. They are better for the environment and can save money on fuel.

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Term

lease

"...you could get the loophole with the lease. And so now, most leases are three years..."

Leasing a car means you pay to use it for a few years instead of buying it. When the lease ends, you give the car back to the dealer.

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Dodge Charger Daytona
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Car

Dodge Charger Daytona

"... I totally get that. Maybe going to win the Dodge Charger Daytona leases low is 249 with 4K down 0 APR for six year..."
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mileage cap

"But your limit, your mileage cap is 7,500 miles a year. Wow. So it can't be your primary car."

A mileage cap is the maximum number of miles you can drive a leased car each year without paying extra fees. If you drive more than this limit, you might have to pay extra money when you return the car.

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Company

Stellantis

"I also noticed, sorry, in the midst of the weeds of this. Stellantis is offering."

Stellantis is a big car company that makes many different brands of cars. They were formed when two companies, Fiat Chrysler and PSA Group, combined.

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zero percent financing

"They're offering zero percent financing on many of their cars up to six years."

Zero percent financing means you can borrow money to buy a car without having to pay any extra money in interest. It helps keep your monthly payments lower.

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powertrains

"And now every car company seems to be considering doing both powertrains for every model. Yeah."

Powertrains are the parts of a car that make it move, like the engine and the system that sends power to the wheels. It's important because different cars can have different types of power sources, like gasoline or electricity.

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ICE

"Sports car. Ice and EV version. Yeah."

ICE means Internal Combustion Engine, which is the kind of engine that runs on gas or diesel. It's what most cars have used for a long time before electric cars became popular.

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gas powered pickup trucks

"We've got gas powered pickup trucks."

Gas powered pickup trucks are trucks that run on gasoline. They're often used for heavy-duty tasks and can carry a lot of weight, making them great for work or outdoor activities.

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electric cars

"...And then they introduced electric cars that drive exactly the same."

Electric cars are vehicles that run on electricity instead of gasoline or diesel. They use batteries to power an electric motor, making them more environmentally friendly.

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Brand

Kia

"but I think Kia must be pretty well up there. It's practically the same car."

Kia is also a car company from South Korea, similar to Hyundai. They make a variety of cars and are known for their modern designs and good value.

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Toyota Rav4
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Toyota Rav4

"...d questions. Because if they just, if they have a RAV4 and they like their Toyota dealer. Then I might s..."
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Toyota bZ4X
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Toyota bZ4X

"... like their Toyota dealer. Then I might suggest a BZ4X, which hurts me as an EV super nerd. Because as a..."
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Toyota Car
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Toyota Car

"Yeah. But it plays into their, it's a Toyota car. And if you charge it at home, then all the stuff..."
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Honda Prologue
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Honda Prologue

"...en you have a GM, the GM equinox, but now named a prologue and now available with Apple CarPlay. So what hap..."
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Honda Civic
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Honda Civic

"What do they do? There has to be like the Civic S.I. Or sorry, the Italian market."
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Honda S2000
Handelsgeselschaft (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Honda S2000

"... out of person, I still admire and look up to the S2000 and the SX. Sure, yeah."
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Acura RSX
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Acura RSX

"They have the new RSX coming out. And all the car fans, remember the RS..."
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Mazda Miata
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Mazda Miata

"...rse, are you, I mean, Jordan's over here with his Miata and his Wrangler. He's got both sides of the conv..."
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Chevrolet Silverado EV
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Chevrolet Silverado EV

"Yeah. And you even see the Silverado EV on the website. It shows a truck, Silverado EV pu..."
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Mercedes-Benz SL
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Mercedes-Benz SL

"...is red. It was one of the very best errors of the SL. So Kudos on a really cool car."
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Daihatsu Valera

"...life in 1981 as a junior in high school with a 79 Valera two-door slant six. The best is dad would let him..."
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Toyota Supra
Dietmar Rabich (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Toyota Supra

"1986 and a half. Supra, the Gen 3 Supra. 88."
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Audi A6
Alexander Migl (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Audi A6

"No, 98. Volvo V70, 04 Audi A6 4.2. And most recently, an 09 Audi S8."
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Audi S8
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Audi S8

"...70, 04 Audi A6 4.2. And most recently, an 09 Audi S8. I love those."
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Ford Ranger
Alexander-93 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Ford Ranger

"Susu trooper, yeah. 85 Ford Ranger and 89 Dakota. Oh, F-150 from 1988."
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Ford F150
UltraTech66 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Ford F150

"85 Ford Ranger and 89 Dakota. Oh, F-150 from 1988. F-250 diesel."
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Ford Explorer
Alexander-93 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Ford Explorer

"F-250 diesel. 1998 Explorer. Navigators."
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BMW 540I
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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BMW 540I

"The current garage. Includes a 1998 BMW 540i. That's a cool car."
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Jeep Cherokee
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Jeep Cherokee

"The aforementioned MbSL-55. Also 2016 Grand Cherokee. Their daughter uses it most of the time in New Y..."
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Jeep Grand Cherokee
Alexander Migl (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Jeep Grand Cherokee

"The aforementioned MbSL-55. Also 2016 Grand Cherokee. Their daughter uses it most of the time in New Y..."
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Audi R8
Vauxford (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Audi R8

"...t Gotham Dreamcars in New Jersey that included an Audi R8 Bentley GTC, Jag F-Type V8, the Aston DBS, Ferrar..."
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Ferrari F430
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Ferrari F430

"...entley GTC, Jag F-Type V8, the Aston DBS, Ferrari F430, and a Lambo. All cabriose."
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BMW M5
Vauxford (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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BMW M5

"Even the V8 is over his budget. Maybe an E39 M5. You're wanting to upgrade that current 540."
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BMW M6
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BMW M6

"That's very cool. Ryan's looking at the BMW M6 or the 650 or Mercedes-Benz E53 or E550 as good p..."
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Chevrolet Corvette
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA)
Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"...rd with all this but has ruled out any Porsche or Corvette. That's interesting."
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Jaguar Ftype
Alexander Migl (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Jaguar Ftype

"I'm chasing four seat convertibles for you mostly. Now, I do want to say that the Jaguar F-Type, not a four seat convertible, but I think it is an overlooked car. It's underappreciated."
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Ford Expedition
Noah Wulf (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Ford Expedition

"...u're only in Florida because you came down in the expedition. You have other transport."
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Aston Martin DB9
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Car

Aston Martin DB9

"...ur Mercedes. You could get either an Aston Martin DB9 or a vantage convertible. The DB9 is technically ..."
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Renault Wind
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Car

Renault Wind

"...o. So just imagine you sell your Mercedes and you wind up in either an Aston Martin or a Mazurati. I am ..."
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BMW M3
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BMW M3

"...he power, the thunder, you could go get a BMW E93 M3 hardtop with the V8. Ooh, that's a good one."
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BMW E93
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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BMW E93

"...e, the power, the thunder, you could go get a BMW E93 M3 hardtop with the V8. Ooh, that's a good one."
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Ford Mustang
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Car

Ford Mustang

"...doesn't usually like white cars, but he likes the Mustang S550 in white. Admitting that is the first step t..."
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Lotus Amira
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Lotus Amira

"...lors going the other direction. Now, on your red, Amira, I do like that bright silver, because the red is..."
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Porsche 911S
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Porsche 911S

"dropping off into the wheel wells, and then all the details aside, you walk around the car, the ductile, that kind of stuff. And then, yeah, I mean, a lot of 9.11s, I see darker colors, and I think, okay, it's very subdued, and you're saying very classy, elegant, reserved, but that's not what that car can do."
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Lotus Elise
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Lotus Elise

"...st OEM yellows. The Hethyl yellow I have it on my Elise, and it has a little bit of a blue flake in it, y..."
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Volkswagen Jetta
Alexander Migl (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Volkswagen Jetta

"Track daily crush. Chevy Cobalt SS Volkswagen Jetta GLI Dodge caliber SRT4. And I've thought about th..."
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Nissan 350Z

"... 03 is when they released the Z-Car. That was the 350Z. Now that one actually had a real automatic and a..."
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