986: “Cigarette Boat” Cars, Reliability Above All Else, Ran When Parked

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800 podcasts that's a lot that's a lot

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joining us live this is always very very

fun and in case you don't remember

because we get ourselves confused the

way we do this is we do podcast twice a

week in case you didn't know Paul we do

a podcast t a week yeah we do uh they

release on Tuesdays and Fridays and it's

an audio only podcast we are not

traditionally a live podcast however at

the 25 intervals the 100 the 25 the 50

the 75 and the next 100 we do this is

the live stream we take all questions

from you guys we don't come in with a

topic it gets nuts at the 50 interval

it's all questions not cars this should

be mostly cars I hope it's all cars yeah

anyway uh in the comments and watching

from the air chance that's cool chance

is busy flying back from a gig he had

actually photographing a Race So he is

in the air as we speak he's with a race

team we are here uh talking about

hopefully cars that's good you actually

had a question already but we also have

a few announcements we should probably

cover those yeah let's start with blip

shift Mandy Combs we give all credit to

her you might have noticed that when we

drop a video she has coordinated that

shirt that comes out you saw the alantra

N or the WRX great stuff and the 300Z

shirt is out you might have seen that

but there's also a few that are coming

in the pipeline F1 cars the lines

drawing era believe that's uh one that

was already out and that's coming back

the Killer Croc which is my Cayman GTS

and also uh oh look Nord dreamer so it's

similar to this shirt over here with

Kota but it's the uh the Nord scha yeah

it's really cool and we'll have to bring

the shirt that I'm wearing back at some

point because it's it's like Kota sliced

into chunks of meat I keep looking

seriously I didn't buy one of those when

they were out the last time and that was

a mistake because every time I see you

wear that I keep looking at it being

like that's got layers to it there's

really subtle it just looks like a

barbecue shirt it's really really the

choice cuts of the track it's great I I

think it's awesome so that is happening

other things going on I want to tell you

guys ahead of time we've got some dates

connected to this I am going to sell the

300ZX my son and my wife separately

asked me this week my wife for a when

are we getting that money my son for a

is it really going away there was two

separate conversations she was like you

know there budgetary wise that car does

need to go are you really selling it

because if so let be plan that totally

appropriate this is this is life my son

like um can we keep it maybe and I was

like buddy that's just not I mean

budgets are a real thing so that is

happening here what's gonna go on be a

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Discord we're g to have a part of our

Discord that is going to be a very

casual and yet serious auction of my car

I will answer questions and that kind of

stuff that is a Thursday Friday right

before we go to Germany so somebody by

the evening of June the 2nd will have

bought that car unless nobody hits my

base price which I think is 20 grand so

come on somebody's gonna give me 20

grand for that car so oh man can fight

Ste feel free so as long as we hit my

base and we go up from there if nobody

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car I can't believe you're getting rid

of it but of course I can't believe that

I went and bought a 928 and then you

side and bought 300 ZX and then here

here we are so yeah yeah it's it's going

away but uh guys welcome back to the 800

live stream I'm gonna start us out with

a question from Patron Rich C okay good

good good he is asking about types and

trends that we see across all the car

debate submissions that we get from you

guys he says a few that he's noticed are

examples of what he's getting at but we

do have more than these he named four

categories so far the person that's

always wanted a 911 and Corvette who

writes in wanting a practical sports car

list 10 options none of them are 911s or

Corvettes yes second category is the

Honda Fit or the 500 uh Fiat 500 F the

owner who loves everything about their

car but feels like they should want more

more car something they'll actually use

to have the driving experiences they

feel like they're currently missing out

on and then uh the person upgrading from

a 250,000 m Eclipse but won't consider

the 300 brake horsepower option because

it would be slower than that 350 brake

horsepower rival sure right and then uh

yeah the the cool car person that

they're trying to keep their car nice

wants advice on a more expensive and

precious car and you know that they want

to drive that car in experiences but

they're they're held back by the fact

that it's too precious well yeah there's

other categories too there's lots of

Miata questions too or Miata versus

gr86 kinds of questions these are good

rich and you're absolutely right my

favorite of the group that we will

always hopefully we will always remember

to stop and Rewind the car debate when

it happens and that is the person that

that somewhere in the email says I've

always wanted blank and then proceeds

for the rest of the email to never talk

about that car again and we try really

hard to stop and Rewind and be like give

yourself permission to get that thing

you've always wanted yeah one of the

main things that we're looking for is

somebody that wants validation which

they might offer choices but we try to

get them to expand their Horizons having

driven many things hey we have our own

biases we have our own things that we

like but we try to get that person

thinking you know more what what else

could they consider in their choices so

those are good and yeah we're we're

seeing continue a lot of Trends but

really appreciate your question Rich I'm

gonna start with William here on the

YouTube questions he says car question

which is good you're in the right place

gr86 is roughly 30 grand 30 35k okay

please don't pay markup you could also

get a used Corvette base C7 for that

money or you can the first if you're

lucky 30 grand 35 to 40 last time I

looked yeah they're right in that area

or the first when they first introduced

the M2 the m55 like the first year M2

before they made it the comp which was

actually different engine anyway he said

so how for the same money do these Stack

Up For Fun William it really depends on

how much you're going to get to use them

I would not say a used C7 Bas unless you

can get z51 for that money don't get it

without the z51 package it is definitely

worth it for suspension the M2 is very

very fun it is it is as close to the 1M

as most people are going to be able to

afford and buy the problem is it is

heavier and a little bit less involving

than the gr86 but it is more usable and

more powerful so if you want a car that

you can really like stretch its legs and

get everything out of its gr86 if you

want something that is more kind of

allif friendly the M2 has more power

more back seat space it's a more livable

car by far and still really really fun

the C7 is great make sure it's got z51

most people that's going to be more

power than they know what to do with

most people depends on how you're gonna

use it but if it was just if you're just

saying to me how can I just have the

most possible fun it's it's that slow

car fast thing the gr86 is something

that it's one of those cars I floorboard

at it

everywhere everywhere on track the store

but but the C8 that we just got I was

driving that this evening the see it

that we just got you got to like decide

this I me I hang on I got to take a

minute look around 500 horsepower can I

can I put that down right now or you

wait a minute the g86 is like I'm in

traffic I'm not in traffic there's

pedestrians doesn't matter just power

all right uh big shout out to MK who is

listening and watching from Japan thank

you very much for joining us really

appreciate it uh he works today and it's

resting time right now so he is with us

there's a question up here from Kaa Arby

who saw our Honda CRV review yes Honda

is back on track I he hopes the next uh

Acura RDX is going to be spectacular

Acura needs a hybrid performance RDX yes

I agree but I'm actually really

encouraged with that new CRV if you

haven't seen that on this channel we

were very encouraged because I didn't

like the last generation and we've had

comments from people who own them and

say I own that generation it's great and

I disagree and I honestly honestly we we

didn't do an act ual on camera revieww

of the last CRV hybrid the prior gen CRV

hybrid that we got we didn't do a review

because Paul disliked it so much I was

like this is going to be such a one Note

review we can't take it out so we were

glad that the next one was good one not

like dang I hate this thing seriously it

was all bad uh Benjamin's asking uh hang

on is it Benjamin's asking yes I think

he is yes he's asking about the Colorado

trip you have this week to sign up if

memory serves it's the end of this week

when registration closes for that trip

we have a few spaces left but look into

it right now he said is it family

friendly yes it is

it is designed to be spouse friendly

you're thinking about bringing your wife

and two girls you're going to have to

connect with Mandy through the

registration system to find out how the

pricing works for you to bring a full

family full of people it is very

possible there's nothing that's not

familyfriendly about it one of the

things that's cool about it is we have a

really cool overnight a great place

night one then we have a good easy

straightforward very cool Drive Daye uh

the first full day and then the next two

nights we're in the same place so if the

some of the family members don't want to

go on the drive like possibly my they

can stay in tell you ride and have a

great time and we'll be back so there's

a lot of flexibility there so definitely

look into it or asks us to give our best

sales pitch on y should buy an Integra

Type S over the type R the C cific Type

R as the ultimate Do-it all small family

car under

$60,000 I will say probably because of

availability I know it's going to be in

huge demand but the type R is so

difficult to get a hold of for a good

price for MSRP for something

you know we think about a $60,000 Civic

and we recoil in horror but you get a

little bit more horsepower we have not

driven it yet actually at this point

nobody has but I like this styling

actually a little bit better I really

like it it just seems like another step

towards it looks like adulthood but it

it still has the bones of that Civic

Type R goodness under there so it's a

little bit more invisible whereas the

Civic typ R is turns heads Haun

enthusiast we were driving that car

Honda enthusiasts would break their

necks trying to look at us and they know

exactly what it is I think the type S

will fly a little bit more under under

the radar if that's what you're looking

for from a family car standpoint it's

it's the nicer car it's the little bit

more family-friendly car it's got more

content you're G have heated seats

things that don't come in the Ty bar but

the flip side is it's not as aggressive

and focused but that might be better as

a daily also we offer low low financing

rates so you should buy from us really

we don't have one wish getting one very

funny let's see Shadow sniper has

written in before of all the old

aircooled vws which would we take and

why Shadow sniper is a fan of the Gia

and the type three squareback inter hope

does Dad pick up a 73 Beetle a few

months ago and it's a riot a buddy of

mine in high school had a Baja Bug and

it was it had the Stinger tail pipe and

it was all just it was really great

condition and had a colorful paint job

and that gas pedal that looked like a

cartoon foot so that everything forgot

that existed was such a 60s 7s thing you

get in and the pedals with feet it was a

huge it was just the gas pedal that

right foot with you could get them all

three and I just it made a big

impression so I'd probably get like a

Baja Bug or something like that but I do

agree the square backs and the notch

backs those are rare I've seen really

nice Notch backs I think I saw one up at

the shop in Seattle that was great

looking it turned my head and sort like

oh yeah that's a that's a different

choice but you just like old Porsches

you got to love how they don't handle or

they're not fast or you know same kind

of a deal You' got to love them for what

they do well they're cool I do like the

design uh Ryan is asking how my wife is

enjoying the new Cayenne of course we

talk of the old Cayenne what is funny to

me is I am driving the old Cayenne now

more than any of us and uh more than I

have in years because you know I take

the dogs or the bike or the whatever I

take the old Cayenne so there's that she

is driving a new she is actually loving

it we are averaging about 30 mil to the

gallon farm truck exactly because we're

doing a lot of stuff on E on E only so

that actually works really really well

it has taken her some real getting used

to because of that Hybrid drivetrain the

the old Cayenne was a V6 and a six-speed

So based on the gearing and the fact

that the minute you put your foot in it

there was there was nothing between the

fact that you were giving a gas gasoline

motor gas and asking the wheels to move

it has an initial jump that's a little

bit better than the new Cayenne the new

Cayenne it's you're coming out of EV

we're stopping you know the the regen

it's just off we go it it takes an extra

beat if you get your foot in the new

Cayenne it is significantly faster than

the old one she has come to accept that

also after I accept itrace it oh yeah

big time uh after I uh punctured a tire

on a nasty pothole yeah in the first

week of having it at home she was really

spooked until the winter snow melted and

the potholes got fixed that's happened

we've got pass that as well all of that

to say it wasn't love it first sight but

after a couple weeks of driving it and

after we got out of winter she's really

thrilled with it now have you noticed

how badly the potholes have been

repaired they're terrible oh yeah it was

the fast version and then it's going to

be summer build season and we're going

to have half our Rose clothes it's

goingon to be great yeah awesome John

cafi would like to see a video where I

teach everyone how to properly wash a

car you did that yeah yes Colin uh

there's already a video about it it is

called the one bucket method it is

highly controversial but uh I did wash

the GTS that was actually couple years

ago I can't believe it and uh car needs

a wash but the Cayman did get service it

got new pdk uh fluid and filter and

spark plugs and oil change and a new

battery and it is feeling fresh and

ready to go so I can't wait to drive

that but on the other hand I have a

Corvette now we have a Corvette to drive

it's crazy it really is nuts yeah for

sure I I clean things only with the uh

the foam Cannon now you love the foam

Cannon yeah I am I am thrilled by I

don't even tou the car unless I'm drying

it it and they look better than ever so

thanks to gri for making good products

there because I don't know what I'm

doing and the cars Paul Paul will be

like that car looks great I'm like

that's not that's an accident I didn't

do anything good yeah for sure I had the

world's fastest W before we did the uh

Lotus and C8 together for our last video

I did literally a 20-minute wash on that

car and it looked better than it had in

a while so that was actually really

cool see uh Mark Coopers always thought

of a GT car as either a comfy sports car

or road trip coups is this accurate yes

it is very accurate that's how I would

describe it it is the difference between

a uh well a alpha pardon me an Aston

Martin Vantage and an Elise the Aston

Mar Vantage is your GT car the Elise is

is not okay so that that's kind of the

thinking but what happens now that we

have adjustable suspension things like

the the C8 for example adjustable

suspension you can do GT and then you

can switch the car over and it feels

much more like a focus sports car

because you got away from the GT feel

but most the time the GT cars are also

bigger and heavier which keeps them from

being light sports cars Jordan schaer

says what is the weirdest possible car

we would like to take on the nurur ring

no traffic just you and the track I want

to take the van we transport everybody

in I want to do that oh my gosh with

everybody in it sure hating life but

here's the thing everyone would laugh at

the time and then we would check for

bruises afterward because it would we'd

laugh in the moment then it'd be done

yeah weird see isn't like lemons it's

not like let's have a horse head out of

the top of a shco or something something

inappropriate yeah how about a katum

something super duper duper lightweight

just something very different you're

sitting way back at the rear axle I I'd

like something as light as possible like

an aerial atom or a KTM or something

very very light to really understand

those Corners better because every time

that they're different and you drive in

heavy cars and you can't really feel

much you can't understand what that

corner what what it can do there's so

much possibility from all these Corners

to do them differently and we discovered

that there is the student line and then

there is the line most people do and

then there's the race line and they are

all different there's also the wet line

dramatically the wet line of course too

ridiculous they're all different and

there's so much to learn constantly so I

want something that I can understand

what the corners are doing all the time

crash test says if he has $20,000 for a

used first Porsche what is his best

option I'm going to say boxer because

the boxers typically are a little bit

cheaper than the Cayman if you can find

a Cayman great but I'm going to say

boxer ideally boxer s and uh find the

nicest one of those that has that has

been run well and has good records I'm

not even worried about the mileage I

mean ideally you you want to get away

from the IMs era but truthfully with

$20,000 you may be getting an IMS car

these things are fixable check the

records but the thing about a boxer or a

Cayman either one of those you're just

going to enjoy it that's the thing

you're just it's it's and it's going to

feel less precious than if you got some

some of the other Porsches Jorge sends

in a question now that we have convinced

him to upgrade to the type S over the

type R since it's no money at all

convince why he should stretch just a

little little bit farther for the Do-it

all to the ct4 Blackwing oh I got that

for sure Jorge I admit that we have not

driven that car we've not reviewed it we

wanted to we still may have a chance to

a standalone review at this point we

need to drive it against other things

and I think it might show up in as part

of a larger

comparison but they're not going to be

making too many more of them they're not

going to be making it that much more and

is manual transmission manual here's the

thing manual transmission rear wheeel

drive four-door four it's it's like that

Alpha Julia they don't make which is the

manual transmission version of the alpha

Julia quadrifolio It's that car okay and

and the truth is we're going to be much

more likely to wind up with another

front-wheel drive biased hot car than

another than another rear wheeel drive

four seat manual with a with a super hot

engine under the hood the ct4 is much

more unique and I would bet you in in

order of dynamic fund even though we

haven't driven all of them I bet you

it's integrate the bottom then then uh

Civic Type R then Blackwing above it the

Blackwing is goingon to feel bigger but

of course it is bigger let's see Eric P

says what is the best looking 50s to 7s

American car and why is the C2

generation Cor red Stingray you're not

wrong that is a pretty car but the 50s

the that late 50s just about anything

from of course the Cadillac uh the uh

the tall Tail Fins I really liked the 57

Cadillac and I also really like the 53

Cadillac more than the 59 59 is Iconic

and beautiful but I the the 53 it's just

so huge and heavy it's bigger than a

it's probably almost as big as a

Suburban it's so big and it just looks

so weighty and it's it's got such a

distinctive style and I guess I connect

with it

because my grandfather as his first car

owned a 1936 Cadillac and I I've only

seen one photo with him and my

grandmother in front of this thing and

it was gigantic but it looked like an

SUV before SUVs even came about but he

was a catalac man his whole life I mean

from the time he was in his 20s and so

that era just has always spoken to me

just from the that optimism of design

has always been fascinating so thanks

for the question Shadow sniper says have

we seen gears and gasoline's current

series they're attempting to take K cars

from Virginia to

Texas there's a yes I have I'm watching

because I really like into the trip I'd

be like I'm done I really really like

those guys Ben and Ben and big Ben and

little Ben uh Big Ben is on his second K

car and he's blowing them both up sorry

spoiler alert it it is it is honestly I

really like those guys I love the series

they are having a great time there is

there is a bues cameo as well according

to the clips so I'm enjoying uh here's

the thing it had it had me looking on

stoto at Kars I have to admit seriously

the problem is we did a k car episode

years ago we went up to our friend Adam

at sto Moto which is which is in Seattle

and um the problem is I am entirely too

big for these cars and we weren't sure I

was going to fit in the auto Zam which I

loved actually the idea of an auto Zam

and driving all that kind of thing but I

barely fit I would consider a cappuccino

because those are really cool um these

are kind of the obvious choices the auto

Zam is just awesome it awesome I just

don't fit well you're torso you you were

banging your head on well it has it has

couldn't close the door it's got the you

know the gwing door but it's got a glass

Center and then the frame around and the

frame literally came down like a halo

over me and my head was barely touching

the top of the glass that was I don't

want to be even don't even shake the car

let alone get in the rack see when will

we be heading to the Northeast for any

of the road trips this year that's a

question from Matthew M we are planning

two trips right now at least and it's

kind of the well I can't really say yet

we shouldn't say uh however the

Northeast still we we'd still like to go

that direction the farthest we got was

Philly for our second road trip with the

older cars and that was quite a trek so

if we were to do that we'd need

completely different roads a different

route and it's we'd almost need to start

from Tennessee or something and kind of

make the road trip section need to go

from Park City all the way to you know

full Northeast I'd like to do Eastern

Seaboard but I'd like to start out there

to your point that'd be really really

cool uh Derek is teasing me he says

hypothetically speaking how would we

feel if the potential bidder considering

the 300 ZX was using it for a safari

build you want it to go to a good home

that see that's the key thing I honestly

care I don't honestly care the thing I

here's the thing I don't want I want the

person person that buys my 300 ZX to

drive

it I don't want it to sit yeah I don't

want it to be in storage somewhere it

has almost 990,000 miles on it I've put

almost I've put over 15,000 miles on it

a lot of the stuff that you that wears

out between 60 and 80 has been replaced

some by me some by the prior owner it's

in very good mechanical shape it's not

in perfect paint shape but I have

actually decided to not fix it because

there is a huge debate among owners of

cars like this do you fix the chips in

the original paint so it says original

paint or do you which is probably the

more efficient way do you repaint it but

then it's not the original paint I am

leaving that to the new owner because

I'm not going to make the call and half

the biders don't like the de I don't

care so it has chips in the paint and I

figure whoever buys it if they want to

fix it great and here's the thing if you

don't want to fix it it is a 10-footer

from 10 feet away with when it freshly

cleaned it looks spectacular you get

close you oh yeah this got some Nicks in

it so whoever wants to drive it or

whoever wants to buy it but hopefully

he'll drive it buy it first yeah then

whatever yeah I hear you D David said

how is the lyric compared to the eqs SUV

have not driven the eqs SUV quite yet

but I still maintain that GM is taking a

loss on the lyric to build that for

everything that you get for 65 and CH

almost

$66,000 that's what you get it was very

impressive far more than I ever thought

we actually saw one in LA on our recent

trip and it was a a livery vehicle it

was like you know the the private

transport kind of vehicle and we're like

wow there there you go that's what

they're you know they're supposed to be

used for and uh I'm sure the eqs steps

it up quite a bit because those I think

are double the price at least at this

point but uh yeah that's that's the big

dad so gosh there's so many I just

jumped on me I'm trying to catch up uh

track daily Crush from Jeremy says uh

Audi R8 V10 pardon me V8 I'm gonna just

assume it means the Gated manual here

because that's how you want it the Aston

4.7 L V8 Vantage or the Porsche

997.2 uh

2s all from 2009 70 to 80 grand all

available in manual track daily

Crush I think oh man that is hard that's

really hard actually I think you track

the Porsche it's going to be the most at

home on the track

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um I kind of think you end up dailying

the Vantage of those three cuz I think

it's just the the more interesting

everybody loves the Vantage it's just

the C everybody's like oh that's awesome

well the doors open slightly up to avoid

curbs so that's your daily that's why

however um I think I personally would

probably do the R8 V8 because then I

would drive it year round through the

snow very happily which means sadly I'm

crushing the ason even though many

people would pick the ason so tracking

the Porsche and driving the Audi Greg J

Witherspoon asks me what is my favorite

color in the Porsche color wheel there's

like 12,000 colors including the paint

to sample colors so I haven't seen them

all but I actually like quite a few of

them I do like the Ruby star red the

Ruby Stone red and I like Miami Blue and

I like shark blue the new one of course

sapphire blue mostly Blues I know you're

kind of shocked at that but I actually

like a lot of the greens I'm really

lately feeling the green with the gold

bronze wheels and the green interior we

saw one of those uh that that color

scheme uh it was a 308 GTS

at radwood last year and it was just the

cool thing about it was because it was

so unexpected a Ferrari painted that

deep emerald green with the tan interior

so I do like that but the cool thing is

I mean there's a lot of companies that

will paint your car for you know you

just got to pay a lot of money Porsche

they'll do it but Porsche still feels

like one of the last handbuilt like I

got my car you chose your interior with

your custom paint color and yeah it cost

a lot of money but it's it's yours it's

not just from the options list it's that

that's the one that I want of course not

everybody might share your taste in cars

people look

at why would you choose that how how is

this ever going to sell but apparently

it does so anyway appreciate the

question G sweeper is asking me if we're

getting winter wheels and tires for the

new Cayenne given the Poole instant yes

absolutely the only reason we didn't

this year is we bought it late enough we

figured winter was over boy were we

wrong but yes as of next winter it will

definitely have winter tires on it no

question the water draining off the

mountains from the snow melt is insane

it's destroying Earth and dams it's just

filling Lakes it's crazy now crash Tess

is asking a question and I know my son

is listening and I kind of hate to say

this because he'll listen and my wife

will will ask later but what car would I

buy now to hand it down to my son in

five years when he starts driving I am

all ear new car new car I'm assuming

this is what this mean it would be an 86

I'd buy a brand new gr 86 and hand it

off because sure that would be perfect

because the other thing about it is I

know how good it is and I would like

driving it too I think it'd be a

fantastic one be like son yeah I don't

know here's the old Kay here's the old

kayad that's exactly how it would go

he'd be mad at me he

would let's see oh there's a lot are we

going to Pebble Beach this year or SEMA

from Matthew L Matthew how you doing

really appreciate the question we

haven't actually thought that far ahead

yet we're trying to get through June we

are out of town every other week through

June it is craz I know we should be I

mean if you're going to those two shows

you should be planning ahead for with

hotel rooms but uh Pebble Beach I mean

as much as I want to go and as cool as

the overload is we always have to weigh

that against content and content

creation and what if something's

available but the problem is I want to

be driving everything that I see and

that's frustrating not that anybody else

doesn't I I know that anyway so not we

haven't decided yet so we we shall

see John cater uh katery I think is that

what that is I'm sorry about butchering

that

he is going to visit a friend later this

year wants to take him for a good time

in a fun turo car the the catch is the

problem is his friend is 7 feet tall

pretty tall any recommendations I think

a 911 yeah 91 I've been surprised at how

much space is in a 911 we had a guy we

had a we had a guy come on our

pilgrimage trip who was either 68 or 610

I forget how big he was big guy made you

and I feel small and he was okay in the

911 he laughed at some of the other cars

other people had but the he was like I

can get in there and make that work so I

would I would try that yeah let's see

Hal B says how much does a person's

first car affect their future driving

style for example Hal's first vehicle

was a racing go-kart at nine years old

and he's been blasting through the

twisties ever since you know I I don't

think I I think it definitely influences

and and you're a perfect example but my

first car was a 77 Jeep Cherokee and it

was a rust bucket I shared it with my

sister and I didn't get the chance to

really start driving I mean real cars

really until just before you and I

started the show I mean I was in Honda

cords and and other stu stuff so was I

yeah and we just start started to

discover tires and I remember one of the

first questions I asked you when when

you let me drive your first Z car yeah

just said what tires are on this this

just seems to really stick more than I'm

used to and we started to discover

performance driving it wasn't something

that I had access to as a kid I didn't

grow up driving these cars I mean I did

some go-kart but I long to do that and

so I think those skills can be very much

learned and learned quickly which is

good if you've got that mindset and

you're willing to be taught the correct

ways I think all of those skills can

easily be learned and you can get very

good and understand the Dynamics quickly

so you know when we get into an SUV of

some sort you know throw out what we

want out of a sports car but then when

we are in something hot the these cars

were designed and engineered by people

people who are also enthusiast and know

and love good driving cars so therefore

I feel like we can bring that sort of

heads space and say okay upon this

criteria I'm evaluating this because you

want it to perform a certain way I

disagree because of my experience in

other cars or or I totally agree you

nailed it like a 300 horsepower Civic

Type R is inexplicably good it's really

good David elfring I just want to

acknowledge your your great compliment

real quick thank you man you said

between the reviews features and Discord

this is your favorite Automotive Channel

buddy thank you I I thank you app I will

take any and all compliments like that

that is that is well received I we work

very very hard we appreciate being

anybody's goto so thanks a lot for that

crash test says no question really

appreciates the quality content that we

create crash test thank you big shout

out to you thank you very

much see oh man still going on this is

so good I love

it uh what oh hang on MCN says what is

the most boring question various people

keep writing in on social media that you

always ignore uh I mean I don't know

that it's boring but here here is the

hardest question and it normally

actually comes from people that aren't

really car people they find out what we

do and they say so what's your favorite

car no parameters no perspective nothing

at all the pantheon of cars from the

dawn of cars to now all prices that is

an impossible question so if you give

any kind of parameters then it becomes

so much easier and so that is a question

that I I hate to say it but when I meet

people and I talk them about what we do

and they ask that question I kind of

duck it or then I follow up by saying

okay give me something to work with so I

can because because that's supposed to

be what what they're expect I understand

what they're expecting because they

aren't car people and they expect if I

meet a car person they have car number

one that this is just above the pantheon

of all cars but it's a huge shift so we

we do ignore that I will also say this

we get far more uh car debates where the

answer or discussion is either gr86 or

Miata then we discuss because we don't

want to only discuss the gr86 and the

Miata but both of which we love so we do

get a certain number of car debates

where that's the only discussion point

we're like we can't do another one right

now so we have it's not boring it's just

we don't want to beat you guys to death

on it and look we have you guys in mind

I think about what do we want our

listeners to hear what do I want to

listen to is an automotive Enthusiast

and so I'm always looking at ways to

keep things fresh and look for Fresh Car

debates whether that's somebody coming

from an experience or has a different

kind of a job or a different kind of

need that they need a car for of course

there's so many good sports cars out

there that we want and want to have and

we know we'll just go have fun but it's

it'd be really easy for me to choose

questions like hey of all the 911s which

would you really want of all the Cayman

which which would be your favorite and

which one should I buy and I'd love to

dive deep on that but there's also I I

want to speak to low and high ends and

we want to kind of do everything in the

middle it seems crazy when we get way

out there for $100,000 or more and we've

had many people write to us guys I have

a health budget which is cool really fun

but it's also almost like in design

terms the best design is almost better

with a very restrictive budget that's

when the most creativity comes out if

you have a blue sky budget well sure

we'll we'll design this amazing thing

we'll use all these great materials and

best manufacturing processes and the

best marketing it's almost easier to do

that but it's it's still hard in a way

because you still have to bring

something that somebody else isn't you

have to do better at that high but then

at the very low end so it forces us to

get creative in our choices we always

want to recommend different things

instead of the same things every time

like you know there there's good lexuses

Lexi that are sevens or eights but then

there's BMWs that are nines so we don't

talk about auds all the time or things

like that so um there was the question

you answered earlier about Porsche

colors and my wife is screaming out

chalk chalk is nasty I just don't get it

it's too close to White is so about the

color chalk she wants a Cayenne in chalk

it is so close to White I can't handle

it the only the only one of the rare

times I actually see my wife stop and

watch a car go by is a Porsche in chalk

it just gets under her skin for whatever

reason I don't get it okay I don't

either but all right she's probably

yelling at the screen right now um you

know what here's a good one Skyler

actually says thank you for for the

contribution man what was the one car we

loved as kid but as adult we now go oh

gosh why did I even like that what would

I what was I

thinking uh um I rocked Camaro

irck Camaro the80s one the 80s irck

Camaro irck is that's the coolest thing

ever okay and the fire chicken and the

firebird and all oh like the 870s too

wow yeah I thought all those were so

cool yeah yeah okay they've been

pasted by Fun better cars well I always

had the irck Camaro because it had this

sporty car shape

and I was utterly obsessed with the

jaguar

xj220 and I knew before we drove it that

it was a meor Heroes moment that I

wasn't going to like and then we drove

it actually it was like this sorry it

was like this and uh yeah it was a

little crunched and it and it didn't D

here's the thing I was I was a little

prepared for it to not drive well and

then I drove it and was I was just I was

disappointed to have it confirmed you

could feel what they were going for

there were things about it so amazing

watch it it's part of our uh rad trip

our second road trip piece went out to

Philly it's that's a really cool thing

and I don't know that I go what was I

thinking because I still think it's one

of the most fantastic looking cars ever

but it just it doesn't work dynamically

which is too bad that thing weighed 3200

lb double the weight I could not believe

it long wheel base and it was it

struggled a bit and and they're just

worth so much money so I don't get

it wow what there's so many good things

here stuff great stuff uh okay uh Colin

says original M2 or Focus r s for spicy

dad car replacing his 03 Z4 you've loved

that Z4 too I know you've talked about

it before uh awesome uh Common's on

Discord a lot so I really do appreciate

that um honestly the the M2 is the

better Dad car of those two now the

Focus RS is better because you got four

doors four seats the problem with the

Focus RS is that it is such an

aggressive suspension setup that unless

you are on really smooth roads even in

its soft setting you're going to find it

bounces around a lot the M2 can calm

down and just be two Series BMW

but then you get on a back road when you

don't have kids in the back that might

throw up and you can really throw down

with that car so I think it is the more

flexible uh dead car unless you need

four doors four seats because the M2 is

going to be harder for the seats anyway

Grady says plot twist that I have been a

closet Chevy

Enthusiast the whole time this is this

is why we're doing the C8 the fact that

when you when we first drove it and you

were like I would get a c and I was like

and this was even off camera I was like

you the Porsche guy would get a C8 and

you're like yes I would I was like at

some point we ought to do that we should

so here we are we're doing it I really

wasn't entirely sure you were serious

until it's now happened yeah we're doing

it we're we're both gonna be driving the

car a lot we're gonna put it against

everything we can imagine because that's

what it should be for but the jokes

about New Balance and Jorts it's it will

never stop I realized that uh no I'm

never going to Cave it's just going to

be but you know what I don't also want

to be the guy you know I'm always pulled

over like oh you got a Corvette H

speeding again of course you were you

know so Jordan Jordan must you hurt me

must you he says he has to bring up fast

and furious every live stream what are

our thoughts on Fast X being a

three-part finale we haven't discussed

this yet I was gonna bring it up because

I saw the trailer and we have not

discussed this can we stop please can we

stop there's money to be made well and

and I hate to say this but what is Vin

Diesel gonna do afterwards what else is

he going to do show up at F1 races

andile the camera he own he owns that

series

Inge that he has more than anybody in

that series it's all about but if you

look at if you look at the trailer for

Fast X I'm not sure who in Hollywood

isn't in

it except for the characters they've

killed off everybody else did it is it

like Vin Diesel's Expendables franchise

but here's the other thing if you look

at the people that have been the

villains okay they're all roughly Vin

Diesel sized and shaped we're running

out of those guys we're down to Jason

Mamoa okay but we've been through the

rock we've been through uh John Cena who

do we have left that's roughly Vin

Diesel sized and aged that we can put in

as a villain I think it's time I can't

believe this one is two parts please

don't make it three that just says to me

they're finding up other other

ridiculous scenes to shoot this one he

pulls Choppers out of the sky with his

Challenger which I I mean spoiler alert

but it's in the trailer I I you know I

feel like when I first saw the trailer I

think I've mentioned this before I I

guess they still do this when I worked

in Hollywood you could get one exception

a year on one trailer that could be

longer than two and a half minutes rest

of them had to be two and a half minutes

and Universal clearly used Fast and

Furious because the first trailer was

like three and a half and I swear they

had at least 10 seconds of every major

action sequence and I was like I feel

like I've seen all the big blowups of

the movie already but everyone's in it

yeah how long can we milk it it number

nine didn't have the did it have the

space buau in it yes it did in the

trailer I mean no it didn't that was a

surprise that was a surprise because

yeah thank God that was a surprise we

all needed oh man wearing diving helmets

in space with duct tape to seal off

there's so there's so much wrong there's

so much wrong with that space Fiero

though I where honestly where's that

blipshift shirt because I will buy that

one just space Fiero I want to see it we

have to make we have to get it made

right we can get it made we have friends

at lip sh lip shift and we know Mandy

we'll make it happen yep all right let's

see oh gosh questions this is great guys

such good stuff um okay uh ponis says

for our adventure events now keep in

mind we're about to go to Germany that

is full the Utah Adventure is full the

Colorado adventure has a few spaces left

but that's this week only he say what

are the procons for flying out and doing

a turo renting a turo for the trip or

the long drive there with their own car

he's debating is Volvo C30 versus

renting something that doesn't make

sense in Wisconsin I look I remember the

C30 I convinced one of my friends when

they were brand new to buy one he has

loved it he's had it for a long time the

C30 is very cool rent something else I

just because you have an opportunity if

you were going to tell me had some

really fun sports car that doesn't get

the exercise it should because of where

you live I'd be like drive it out but in

this case you should fly in you should

rent something cool and take it on an

amazing back road and make even

more Jake asks what we think about the

concept of having too much Tire Jake

puts very sticky tires on his 80s car

and it's now permanently stuck to the

road well sure we we do like the right

tire but it can also wreak a little bit

of Havoc I I think if it's not quite

right for uh for the suspension of the

car too because then you're sticking and

the car is rolling so you know gotta

gotta try to to match it but ultimately

I mean you want something really really

good really high performance for sure

Ryan thank you man is asking about his

MR2 spider which you know I like you're

not a huge fan but I do really like it

he said is that I my I've described my

Elise as a culdesac car there's nowhere

to go after the Elise you have to kind

of leave the neighborhood and go

somewhere else he's asking if the MR2

spider is is like the entrance to that

neighborhood is it on the way to where

the Elise is the culdesac or is it

somewhere else entirely or is there

something else in between the thing

about the MR2 spider is you could have

an MR2 spider and decide what I like is

small convertibles and you could go

along that line still so it it's I think

it's related and yes you can even do the

engine swap and it becomes even more

related I think it is the more focused

version than something like a Miata or a

Z4 it is a little more hardcore and a

little less nice which is along the

lines of the of the uh Elise I but I do

think you can jump in that same thinking

from the MR2 spider so close I'll give

you close you know I was thinking about

the Supra and I've never really been a

huge fan of the Supra until the new

generation the 90 came out it got

smaller it got lighter of course the

collaboration but I like the styling

better I like how it drives came in

wheelbase I liked everything about it I

I still do and I think that if Toyota

were to bring back an MR2 I think that's

the car I would probably really like

because of advances in refinement and

engineering and whatever engine they

choose to use they have a three-cylinder

little tiny engine they could pack into

a little MR2 and bring that

grm2 that doesn't roll off the tongue

MR2 gr that's that's

terrifying still I bet you I would love

the new one the past Generations okay

there's the recipe is there but I didn't

really love the execution I bet you i'

love MR2 and new Honda S2000 yes both of

those should exist they absolutely

should

2001 it should be the s3000 because

they're gonna have to put something in

like that in it but but it would be

phenomenal to have both of those I don't

see Honda doing it I I think there's a

chance of Toyota doing it though I don't

think they currently are yeah let's

see looking at a question up

here uh do you see this one for you here

as a Porche Enthusiast should he buy a

2023 Macon GTS that does everything

track included or get a Cayman GTs on

another family

car depends uh what who is that from uh

Kono Q qia is there track driving

involved that's what he's saying track

included y yeah I I don't think I think

you'd very quickly get tired of the

Macan on track I think you'd really

appreciate the came in and another

family vehicle that it wouldn't have to

be a Porsche if you want to allocate all

your dollars towards the Cayman and then

do something else for the family car

like a Honda CRV watch the end of the

CRV review uh David D or D David is the

RX the Lexus RX the egg really worth it

over the Venza $220,000 vinza difference

between the Venza Le and the 55k

350h David I'm not supposed to say this

oh you get the Venza you just get the

Venza God the egg it looks better than

the egg too it's got the weird uh battl

Star Galactica helmet front in now which

I guess is better than the Predator mall

but as I've said in the review already

it feels like they're just taking all

their villains from the 80s and putting

them on the front of a car the vinza

does everything that RX does it looks

more interesting it does it's you

already talk about there's so much of

the same stuff underneath I think the

Venza is it let's see Ryan s asked me if

I were commissioned to create a flagship

vehicle for any company who would be and

what would it

be that's uh I'd like it to not be an

SUV but to be honest the Puro sang has

kind of sparked imagination for me

because of how of the price well the

price one for everybody $1 but the fact

that they they are they don't need to

tell everybody not to call it an SUV

because it's it really isn't but it's

it's kind of in the Panamera sport

Turismo kind of Realm where it's you're

not sure what that is but 6.5 L

naturally aspirated V12 and they packed

that in there and the packaging is still

great and the doors are well engineered

I I really like that so it wouldn't be

Porsche I mean that

just I I'd love to do the very lowend

even though you're asking flag Flagship

Car I'd love to do something very tiny

and lightweight bring that 550 back and

do something creative there but I'd have

to

say some obscure brand something maybe

Italian because of the shapes because of

sensual beautiful form

language is launcha are they doing

something with launcha launcha coming

back I mean getting away from teasing it

fordor looking chopped up a Ferrari and

made the the new uh the new Stratus that

was we did it would be something else

for Maserati okay it be Maserati and it

would be some new flagship to kind of

either compete against the Puro sang or

kind of take the GT car and and make it

like a Maserati Does a gr86 maybe they

have their flag mc20 but maybe something

beyond that maybe something crazy stupid

but yeah Maserati moose is asking a

question on behalf of his mof Minister

of Finance thank you for that uh let's

see favorite choices of a fuele

efficient large dog hauler they've got

two dogs most of the stuff that can fit

big dogs aren't fuel efficient like a

Macon well you need probably a Macon and

going up from there um I'm gonna say

look the Macon doesn't come in a hybrid

but the cayen does if you're willing to

put dogs in the back of your Cayenne I

have to be careful about our dogs in the

new Cayenne I have to make sure the

crazy one doesn't jump over the back

seat CU she wants to she's like hi dad's

up there don't do that uh it's all bad

don't please stop it with your claw so

anyway I have to keep her in the back so

there's that but I will say this the uh

the Rav 4

Prime okay the Rav 4 Prime it's a Toyota

it's gets excellent gas mileage you've

got some straight EV they're actually

it's actually the best version of the

Rav 4 when we drove it we were like this

is awesome I think it'd be a really good

one let's

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see HD sh Shadow star stopping by saying

hello HD really appreciate it thank you

so much can't wait for the road trips

with the Elise and the C8 we can't

either it's going to be so great it's

gonna be so different there's gonna be

complaining from both of us on in

different categories I think I'm

predicting now so did you see that

Jordan said Jason Mamoa looks like an

off bred Jason Mamoa in the Fast and

Furious trailer I agree with you he

looks like he just got filmed on a bad

day and I like that guy it just looks

like it was not a good day for him but

he showed up to set anyway and made it

happen work is work work is work

absolutely yeah for sure see oh Jordan's

also asking a for a fresh new car movie

give give us the 15-second synopsis of a

fresh new car movie I actually it not be

Grand Turismo because that looks I

actually wrote sorry I'm I'm

copyrighting it here on this podcast 800

I actually wrote a producer years ago he

was in a pitch meeting with a he with a

film executive and the guy said I don't

know what the movie is but I just like

something we can call cars and guns

which as a car guy and as a person who

tries to write good scripts both of

those parts of my personality were

enraged by that recommendation but I

went and did it anyway oh you did I

figured out a way that you could like

every few scenes you jumped into a

different car because problems were

happening so it was a race across the

country idea you kept jumping into

different cars and of course there were

guns involved and so it had action

scenes in multiple cars and there

there's a there's a story there uh and I

WR a nice uh premise for it and never

went anywhere but cars and guns man is

it like old Cannonball Run kind of in

there kind of like a Cannonball Run

there there was a race across the

country Need for Speed game years ago

that was the closest thing I'd

encountered about it it was actually

really cool that was kind of similar but

um yeah there's there's an opport here

the thing thing is the movie title cars

and guns is the same as your Tik Tock or

shorts title that is you'll never

believe what happens if it's the same

thing cars and guns Just sells itself

that's that's what it is so then yeah if

it was cars and guns and girls then

we've just yeah that's pretty much Fast

and Furious is now exactly Fast and

Furious right let's

see uh would love to do um would love to

do tale of the Dragon in the vet and the

elite we love to do a tale of the Dragon

movie anyway thank you for that

recommendation I don't think it's going

to be this year um but thank you for the

for the thought also I'm not going to

call all of you out there's been four or

five and I don't want to to retread it

all but I want to thank so many of you

who are offering really great

compliments on what we do and the

channel and the community that's been

built around this and honestly that you

guys are the community thank you we're

just thrilled to have you with us and on

Discord and uh we love taking you with

us on these trips too it's great you

dive into Discord it's sort of like whoa

what's going on here awesome it's so

awesome yeah seriously friends best

friends have been made there and yes I

love that people organized trips

unbeknownst to us and people have just

gone on trips and get together and have

events and talk about whatever and it's

just sort of like this way to get it out

just I got to talk about cars and just

get it out so that's that's the place to

do it really appreciate it guys Colin is

asking about the TV series for paper

father uh the industry is in massive

turmoil right now so there's no pitching

that at the moment but the only update

going on on paper father actually is the

fact that I am actually working on the

audiobook it is not going as fast as I

would like I'd love to have it about

done now but unfortunately it's not

there I will have that finished this

calendar year it is me reading it is an

interesting challenge because I am

reading it and I'm doing voices which

means I have to voice act it's an

interesting challenge the post part of

it I'm like that's easy but the the

Reading part is like huh all right so I

found I can do like about a chapter at a

Sit sitting and then it gets a little

hard for me but I'm working on that so

that will be coming I know many of you

have asked over time that you'd rather

listen to it than read it so hopefully

he'll show up when it's ready Church of

petrol says what is our favorite medium

to save for cars like a savings account

or CD or index funds we just make bad

choices automotiv irresponsible that's

really what happens with us I'm just I'm

trying to think of little unexpected

places where you have income that you

didn't see coming for example you have a

garage sale or you sell something that's

actually you sold something a bike or

something like that for a couple Grand

and so now you could just put that into

your checking account and it'll just

disappear in in the form of bills yeah

or you could really set that aside so I

I always look at just those little

unexpected places it might be 30 bucks

it might be 400 but then when you sell

something and you upgrade or you just

you know what I don't need this stuff in

my life for whatever that is and that'll

kind of be the car fund and you just put

it aside that's kind of my favorite way

of thinking about money like

that wow such good stuff

um I'm trying to catch up you guys are

bom really good what's happening here on

the questions is just like it happens on

the Discord people are just going just

crazy it's it's awesome I really app

Simon is acknowledging the fact that you

at one time were considering an M2 he's

wondering if that would ever Circle back

now you've gone C8 though and there's

Jorts on order so I don't think so there

are no Jorts on order totally kidding

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that connects up yeah for sure we're

getting towards the end of our time here

what else did we miss if we've missed

something we apologize post it back up

there's lots of good ones I'm I'm

circling back now but there's some

really good stuff through here did we

talk about Skylar's question about

permanent deleting any car from history

did we answer that no we didn't cover

that at all cover that's Skyler said if

you could permanently delete any car

from

history and the effect the ripple effect

that it caused as a result what car

would you delete for Skyler it would be

the

RX300 interesting is that your first car

Skyler just wondering but it's the start

of the SUV play yeah that that is what

he's doing that's the car that generated

crossover Revolution for sure sure I see

that ah I would love to delete the bug

I've never loved the Volkswagen bug just

think of the ripple effect Herby movies

would not exist I don't know that that's

a loss but there it is okay we didn't

lose seriously I I want to like

Volkswagen Beatles the the first one not

the 98 redo none of that it's a golf

underneath but all the Beatles every one

I ever wrode in was just sort of

like but you know what it's hard for me

to say that because 356s and early

Porsches were based on components of the

Beatles so I can't really do that and

that means 356 is and therefore 911s

look what You' done you've created

trauma over there for you I I can't do

that okay all right and that lightweight

practically nothing at your feet you

know lightweight feeling that's a lot of

what a 356 feels like so can't delete

the bug as much as I don't like it and I

like

356s well yeah and the carry over to the

911 it would be killed forever that's F

yeah that's no G Nathan is asking Mark 7

Golf R or Focus RS for daily driving

with a couple of track days per year

here Nathan how hardcore do you want

your car to be because the golf has the

ability to just vanish it's just became

your commute car and it's fast enough

but it's comfortable and it doesn't ask

anything of you and it can it can kind

of Fade Into the background of your life

the Focus RS will not it is loud it is

aggressive and that and honestly I mean

look I drive a Lotus elisee that is can

be wonderful will that annoy you if if

what you need it to be is competent on

the racetrack and the rest of the time

just be a nice commute car well Golf R

if you want feel hardcore all the time

Focus RS and then when you get to the

track you're going to love it okay I'm

changing my answer to Fiat

500 interesting okay the little the

little mouse the Mighty Mouse Simon is

saying what about Bumblebee I could I

could get rid of Bumblebee and therefore

all the Transformers movies we could

just like scoop those off to the side

we're good right that's very funny it's

very funny Oddball daily driver request

space and fitting not a concern veloc in

or RF All City Driving watch our uh

daily fun car piece where we have the

veloc N versus the first gen 86 and

watch this guy change his mind three

times in the last minute of 22-minute

piece but it really comes down to what

you prefer I would always say that I

find lightweight rear wheel drive more

fun than even the best front-wheel drive

and the voster ends way up there so I

would pick me on RF of those two because

I think it is more fun it is not the

more usable of the two so what do you

need B Shopper says how much of a

premium would we pay for a good color on

a car well we just came across a vehicle

it is the BMW X3 2023

m40i and the paint color beautiful dark

cherry red color is gorgeous it actually

really works on this this is a test

drive on this channel it said close to

two grand for the paint color on that

the owner is privately own private owner

here in Park City let us borrow the car

he had to wait for it and paid almost

two grand just for that color for the

SUV his wife's SUV and he's got an M2

competition that's hot rotted and it's

he's BMW guy and so I I definitely see

it it works two grand on the other hand

if we're talking Porsche paint to sample

colors 12,000 is no money at all

whatever why not no I mean I I honestly

I think two grand for a color you really

like do it I think two grand 2500 but

the sample just gets me I cannot believe

that there's a chance actually showed me

a Porsche that was a color flop color

shifting paint that was close to

$37,000 for the paint and I think okay

you ding it or something gets Nick you

need a repaint now what okay yeah I I

think a couple Grand and I would carry

that over into used cars if you're

looking at used cars and the color you

want is a couple thousand dollars more

than the gray you don't want please

don't get gray spend a couple extra

thousand dollars I think it's very worth

it gray Skyler says imagine paying ,000

for chalk yuck hi

honey anyway yeah uh what do you do if

your dream cars are now Out Of Reach 356

is an air cooled 911s financially he'll

never be able this is Ben writing in to

obtain and drive these cars feel like I

missed the boat this is the problem with

the classic 911s is look they were when

we did this I'm gonna scare us all right

now this June a month from now this was

10 years ago we shot this the longest

day of the year that week 2023 it also

was almost one of the hottest weeks on

record it was crazy how H it was we were

sweating through our clothes every day

in the mountains at like 10,000 feet it

was

nuts the we thought they were nutty then

they've only gone up since then okay and

this car here we know a guy friend of

mine in Park City and he has it and he

never drives it well he rarely drives it

sorry Chris but rarely drives it and um

he uh he will never get rid of it

because he knows it's only appreciating

and it's his is very nice yeah so the

problem is yes those have stepped up I'm

gonna say two things here first off uh

with either turo or drive share or

something seek out a way to drive them

because it is an interesting Driving

Experience it is not worth these crazy

prices uh there is a there is a 911 cult

it exists it is a thing and it is

driving prices Way Beyond anything

realistic uh you haven't completely miss

the boat because you can get an

opportunity to drive one of those cars

also if you really really want one keep

in mind that 356s have really good

replicas yeah and so get it's not the

same thing but you could get a replica

so if that's something you wanted to go

with you could uh there are a lot of

911s out there the air cooled ones are

still going up but honestly if you go

all the way up to the 997 second gen of

the air of the water cooled the 997 is a

fantastic 911 and I don't

think Porsche fans will say otherwise I

don't think the difference in enjoyment

between the 997 and the aircooled Really

exists

we're here to find out there's some

specialness about the air cooled I will

grant you there's some specialness about

it but the Driving Experience 997 you

can get one of those holy moly yeah I

was just as you were talking this uh

this image over our shoulder here the

owners of this car had bought it I

remember they told me they bought this

car they named oi it was a 67 short

wheeel base believe so and they bought

it not too long before we shot the car

for

$88,000 and then they sold it for 40,000

and thought they had done great and now

they go for a couple hundred YouTube car

spotter guide to answer your question

912s good ones are 80 grand now that's

the problem which is ridiculous yeah

chance has mentioned that somebody

should take a 912 and put the uh 718

4cylinder in that and they get a rocket

ship and I love that also I think 912 is

a perfect perfect 911 to buy if you want

to put an electric version in it I think

that's really good Hal bulock is asking

the question you're not supposed to ask

Hal

uh why do auto journalists complain

about having to drive mid-engine cars

like mid engines but don't complain

about having to drive 9911 like rear

engine cars um there is an unspoken rule

I think I was sent the form and didn't

sign it you're not supposed to say

anything bad about the 911 ever oh

you're not that's the that's the auto

journalist rule 911 is the king of all

things and every Automotive journalist

is supposed to Aspire to just buy a 911

and be done we're all supposed to say

that we're all supposed to feel the the

greatest thing ever uh the 911s are very

fun because if you do it right Allah

Chris har us they are drifting

masterpieces yeah they're masterpieces

to drift they don't drive like anything

else but but if you have a if you have a

beginning Auto journalist and they don't

know how to drive a 911 they assume it's

them they should learn how to drive a

911 because everybody says they're great

if you have a beginning Auto journalist

who doesn't know how to drive a mid-

engine car they assume it's the car ah

cuz the 911 can't be spoken badly about

but why does this mid-engine car not

drive like a big front engine V8 cuz

it's not

that I yeah I still maintain that

everybody talks about manual

transmissions and th those are the best

I only buy manuals I I agree I love

manual transmissions we all do but then

what about all these car companies that

you are now no longer allowed to to talk

about Ferrari Lamborghini McLaren kig

seg Pagani on and on with all these

companies that don't build manual

transmissions anymore those are right

out we cannot consider this it's

interesting that the big boys the top

end doesn't build a manual transmission

anymore and yet so all the manuals are

for us enthusiasts what does that mean

for all the people who buy those cars

are they not enthusiasts I don't know

that's the other the question that

everybody says well it's not Emanual I

won't buy it does that mean all Ferraris

you now hate all modern Ferraris you

wouldn't aspire to that purang as cool

as that is point any of the the 296 GTB

that's a sweet looking car no you you

turn up your nose at that Jeremy is

saying all of those companies are dead

to him for that reason I mean here here

is the thing there is there is the

reality look I as much as I wish that

Ferrari still sold their gated man

because I've said it before that was

their magic it really was their magic

and what we've driven some of just been

like come on guys it was the the manual

uh six-speed gated to uh Ferrari was to

Ferrari what the good hydraulic steering

was to BMW BMW has gone to electric

power steering and Ferrari's gone to

dcts but yeah but there were 2% of the

people picking manuals if you're Ferrari

the the choice is obvious still a big

company making money or the flip side is

do you want to spend 2% of your

development budget making a new uh

six-speed transmission and how bad is

that transmission going to be if you're

spending that little money to develop it

I I hate it but it's a reality anyway

that's uh that's a problem also thank

you for uh for watching the veloc n86

piece I'm glad it was helpful to you um

only six% pardon me only 25% of your

Fleet is manual Paul

fix it goes away I know I need fix funny

yes yes the uh the 300 ZX is manual it's

going to go away the uh the lease was

only ever manual both cion are automatic

but the new one has an eight-speed which

is a revelation but anyway yeah for sure

guys it is a little after eight we are

still going to cover a couple other

questions before we wrap it up but I

just want to thank you again for being

on with us we actually really enjoy

these live streams they go so fast

because you guys pepper us with

questions so quickly and it's so awesome

to run through these and the the the

brain tease of reading talking listening

it's very very fun but we thoroughly

enjoy it mamil says how do you afford a

good Do-it all sports car and the

insurance and the maintenance especially

as they keep getting more and more

expensive to purchase Cars one word

Ramen you don't even have to boil the

noodles you can just sprinkle the

chicken flavor packet right on the on

the ramen brick and just like eat it you

know cheap there you go spend all your

money on your sports car right or you

just make bad financial decisions you

have really cool looking cars and

nothing in the back that happens too

which is terrible MCN is asking if the

Lotus is getting upgrades the Lotus is

getting driven that's what I'm excited

about this year I've actually got a

couple little maintenance things to do

but I'm just ecstatic about that car I

bought can't to drive them back to back

I bought it with the upgrades I already

wanted in it it was already track prep

that has uh the coilovers I mean I love

that thing so yeah Automotive

irresponsibility is happening and there

will be more of it this year for sure

keep in mind we are doing two major road

trips for sure maybe a third this

calendar year with the Lotus and the C8

we hope that you guys guys will show up

watch those road trips share them with

others we know others are doing road

trips we would love to see our road

trips getting lots and lots of views we

are very very proud of them and you guys

I will say this those of you that have

seen them have loved on them and have

given us some really nice compliments

that encourage us to keep going we enjoy

the life experience of it we love

sharing these roads with you there's

some roads we want to feature this year

that I cannot wait to show I'm very very

excited but we really hope you guys will

show up for that also keep in mind we

are feeding our original everyday driver

Channel about every two weeks on

Thursdays something comes out there that

is either big road trip comparison

personal car uh update or one of these

big comparisons of cars we have a really

fun one coming this Thursday with the

Prius and I think you're going to be

very surprised by it I think really

you're going to be very surprised I'm

really excited about this one that's

coming Thursday and then on our test

drive channel on Sundays we are dropping

brand new test drives the two of us in

the car together in a single car review

and very often we do a POV review of

that the following Wednesday so that is

getting something at relased every week

sometimes twice a week the podcast is

twice a week there's a lot going on last

two questions first from Mark Price

asking after listening to all of the

podcasts will he have an MBA or a PhD an

everyday driver it piled higher and

deeper yeah for sure it's GNA be a PhD

and Philip M says is the C8 Corvette

going to become the everyday driver

standard cost for season cars well if

you didn't hear us discuss this on Matt

feris smoking Tire podcast just last

week we came up with a new

cryptocurrency it is vcoin vcoin I

starting a new crypto and that will be

the standard another this the second

shirt out of this podcast is vcoin I

like it okay yes so we're we're starting

a new crypto we're gonna sponsor F1

we're kicking out crypto.com it's GNA be

vcoin can you imagine vet coin above all

the F1 cars

stop for three for three races until the

whole thing gets found to be a giant SC

it will crumble into dust we'll make the

news and well that will be the uh the

measurement stick so guys mcow the Lotus

already has AC thank you very much it's

just not that powerful but it does have

it if I avoid 100 degree days I'm okay

if I get 100 day I just I sweat uh Eric

is asking about road trips outside the

US uh we would love to they obviously

logistically cost wise are significantly

higher we do our road trips you would

not believe first off it's three of us

it's the two of us and chance that's how

we shoot those I'm very very proud of

what we get having done that we've kind

of dialed that in on the last two trips

and I'm really really pleased they're

expensive to produce but they're far

less expensive than anyone else doing

them because we do them so efficiently

once you get outside the US there's a

lot more Logistics and cost I would love

to I I can tell you three or four I'd do

right now if we could but for it's we

are never at a loss for ideas that's

some vcoin and we'll gocoin yeah all you

guys buy vcoin we'll go overseas and do

it and then we'll get arrested while

overseas oh vet guy arrest him yeah the

guy with the hair uhuh right yeah thank

you guys so much for being with us this

is so much fun yeah appreciate it we are

always looking forward to next time

really really appreciate all your

patronage your support thank you for

watching thank you for listening cheers

everyone

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