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Welcome to the party pals! This is Shift and Stare and everybody is back.

Back from the holiday, back from if you were in traffic over the holidays,

if you flew over the holidays, if you did anything over the holidays,

you are probably like just coming down, you're calming down finally now.

And that's what we're here to help you with, because we're going to talk cars,

we're going to talk about trucks, we're going to talk about new cars, old cars,

we're going to talk about fast cars, slow cars, we're going to talk about junkers,

we're going to talk about cool ones that you can't even afford or even think about affording.

I mean maybe you can, but you know, most of the people can't.

Maybe Aaron can talk about that new Pagani that he's got ordered,

but you know, everybody else, everybody else has his dream.

And hey guys, how you doing?

Good, doing well.

Are you doing any traveling over the holiday?

I didn't. I stayed in town. We've got a little bit of travel this month,

but the holiday, so here's things like, I don't know if you guys saw any of the videos

like on Instagram or anything, but the line of traffic back from Vegas to LA on the 15,

it wasn't even moving. It was just like, it must have taken people eight hours.

It was just a parking lot of traffic, so I tried to avoid those situations

and plans, you know, like, hey, you're going to go to Vegas?

Yeah, let's go on a Wednesday.

Well, I was worried because I went over to Arizona the week before Thanksgiving

to do some stuff on the house over there, and I actually was worried about coming back on Sunday

because I thought, oh man, you know, there's going to be traffic already people,

and it was going the other way. It was California to Arizona,

and going my way back to California, I hit a pocket or something.

I was very thankful, but where I did it, just a ton of traffic was at Costco.

I knew the mistake of going the day before Thanksgiving to get a pumpkin pie,

and dude, that parking lot was the most ridiculous and the traffic in the store.

It was like everybody had this look in their eyes, like, yeah, I got to get my stuff,

get home, watch the football game, and they were like bashing their carts into you,

and I had some old lady who she threw down a can of coffee and threw it at my head,

she said, you're in my way, move!

Okay, Bradley, you underscore a fan shot?

I think Costco closes at 7 p.m. during the week, like Monday at 7 p.m.,

so we go at like 6.15 on Monday, and we're like, we're on a time limit,

we got to get out of here soon, and then there's still a line, but it's a little better.

It's definitely better at that time.

How about you, Aaron? Did you go anywhere?

I went to the Chinese restaurant, had Chinese food, we watched Stranger Things.

There you go.

But I did do something interesting right after Thanksgiving, so the following Saturday,

I got in a call, I think about a week before that, unfortunately,

one of our dedicated Redhead fans passed away, and his family got a hold of me and said,

hey, we want to do something really special with this bicycle,

because he had a Red Rocker bicycle, which, you know, there were less,

we talked about that before, but there's less than, I think there's like 100 of them made,

they're very rare, they're very valuable, very special.

He had a really, really nice example, and they said, hey, we want to do something with Brian Spike,

you know, do you guys have a museum in the studio, or can we put it up somewhere,

and we'd like the family to have it, and I thought, wow, that's so cool.

I said, let me think about it and get back to you,

and almost immediately I thought, well, what if we put it in the museum,

because we have that nice exhibit there, and it would be really cool to have a Red Rocker bicycle in there.

So I contacted the museum, and I got back to them in a couple days,

and went down and pick it up, they were thankfully right down in Sacramento,

so it was a couple hours from Tahoe with the traffic,

and I was able to grab the bicycle, it was in great shape,

and I took it to the museum the other day, so two days later,

I was able to put it in the museum, and they're going to make a nice plaque for the Sac's family,

and yeah, it's going to be there for a while.

Those bicycles are really neat, and if you don't know the story, you don't have to get into it now.

Was that one of the Dino bikes, or was it somebody else?

No, no, these are real Gary Fisher bikes,

so Gary Fisher is kind of the godfather, or grandfather,

sorry grandfather, of mountain biking, and him and his crew,

Gravy and the Potts and my Uncle Bucky,

they all worked at Quartermatera Cyclery back in the day,

and dad wanted to build a bike, and Gary's like, I can do that, and they built a bike,

and then Specialized ripped it off and called it a rock hopper,

and basically underpriced us dramatically, and we couldn't compete, so dad pulled the plug very early.

But Gary Fisher went on to produce Trek, so his company was called Trek, which you all probably know,

it's still around, and he also has his own limited brand of handmade bikes called Fisher Bicycles.

But really cool, Brad, you don't know Gary Fisher, huh?

I would think you do, he's the man.

But very lightweight, I mean dad had really good components on him back in the day,

and I don't remember when that was, probably in the early 90s maybe?

89, 1989.

Oh, 89, okay, okay, then that makes sense, thank you for looking that up.

I should be doing more of that, Matt, you're really good at that, just bam, you have the answers.

You see the question mark pop up above our heads, and bam, you have the answers.

And I was looking at the bike as well, it's got pictures of your dad from 89 with his long hair.

Yeah, it is the early Gator sunglasses, our friend Ken, he was the founder of Gators,

and I think those are the early Gator sunglasses, those old big wraparounds that everybody ripped off.

Yeah, so that was a cool piece.

It doesn't say exactly like how many were made, but it did say it was sort of limited.

Yeah, I think originally, I don't know if he had 500 units or 750 or 1000, but it was a very limited production,

and I think after the first 100 or maybe less, he pulled the plug, he just couldn't compete.

You know, he had Shimano components, back in the day, really high quality components,

and specialized just because of their volume and what they were able to do.

So 150 bikes.

Oh, 150 total.

So 150 Red Rocker Fisher mountain bikes.

We don't know how many are still in existence.

Google AI says maybe two dozen.

Yeah, like they're that rare guys, they're that rare.

Well, I can now say I have two.

And I told the story about the old man that up in Tahoe said, I got a bike and I know where it is,

and it's got your name on it.

And I was like, well, you're crazy or high, you're allowed to do whatever.

A year later, he came by on his bicycle, looks like Santa Claus.

And yeah, he brought me the ultimate Santa Claus gift.

And sure enough, there was a Red Rocker bicycle up in Tahoe in decent condition.

I had to restore and replace a few things.

But yeah, yeah, and it was real affordable.

I want to double my money.

Oh, here we go.

I paid 50 bucks.

Oh, okay.

Well, I'll tell you, I'll add a couple of zeros to that.

No, no, I don't want more.

100 will do.

Are you sure?

100 will do.

Okay.

Well, what else you got in this junk store?

I think I had 450 bucks to my name back then.

And I came all 450.

I just picked a bunch of silly things and old shackles and an old siren and just some junk that was in his store just to, you know, here, take it all.

I got to give you something for this bike.

But yeah, now we have one in the museum and mine sits next to dad's tandem.

Dad has a tandem on the wall of the studio.

So I hung my single next to it because the only single I think he still has is in a crate.

Untouched, unbuilt.

So wait, what is the museum?

Oh, sorry.

The National Automobile Museum, you know, the big one.

Oh, okay.

That museum.

You didn't pick up on that, Matt.

Come on.

Now, I didn't know if you guys were doing a museum at some point.

No, we should.

You know, I mean, if you thought about, you know, a Hagar Museum of, you know, your art, dad's music stuff, cars, you know, all the different products and memorabilia that's come out over the years.

I've been going to the archives and let me tell you, it can fill a museum.

That's what I'm saying.

It's just like, there could be an interesting place that.

Yeah.

I think it would have to be more than dad.

But yeah, maybe a Bay Area Museum.

Matt, Matt, I like where your head's at.

I think a Bay Area Museum celebrating some of the Bay Area Rockers.

Yeah.

I think that's a good one.

Who's been from the Bay Area?

Most of them.

Pre Seattle.

I was just going to say before Seattle.

Anyway, a very cool experience and the family's really happy.

And so if you want to see an example of Red Rocker bicycles by Gary Fisher himself.

Go to the, what colors did those come in?

Just in red, red and black, red and black.

But you can go to the National Auto Bill Museum and see our display with the Woody

Wagon and the old Cabo Wobble race bike and those beautiful Tiki's that Dave

Wood made and the original Cabo Wobble sign from Lake Tahoe.

Some beautiful surfboards from the 40s and 50s that are on the wagon and all the

cool stuff as well as half the hair collection that's still there.

He's got over 250 cars there.

I mean, wow, not he, but.

One of the greatest things I did when I was a real little kid was my dad took me

to Reno.

We took the whole family to Reno and we stayed at Hera's there and had a big

suite and everything, but he took, took me to the, to the original.

Oh, wow.

Museum and saw that it was, I mean, I remember being like as a, I mean, I

don't think I was, I was probably six or seven maybe.

And, and I mean, it was fabulous and, and left an impression, you know, that was

back, yeah, it was back in the 40s.

The cars were all brand new.

So how many cars were in the collection back then?

Wasn't there like four or 500 or something?

It was huge.

I remember a number of half or a third of them.

Remember number 600.

It was huge.

It was, and it was everything, you know, so much.

It was just incredible.

We had some, some unusual stuff too.

Not, not just all the staples and standards going back to the first cars.

Right.

The other car too, but some really rare cars, but also weird stuff.

Like, like he took a Jeep.

What was it?

A grand wagon year, something back in the day and they put a Ferrari V12 in it.

I mean, cause he's like, I can't get this thing up and down the mountain when I

drive from Reno to Tahoe.

So he put a V12 in front of this, this old Jeep.

Yeah.

Just, just cool.

And the Plymouth air radial truck is over there too, which, oh yeah.

There's so many, so many reasons to go, but yeah, check it out.

We've got, Adam's got 12.

Yes.

I think Paul Newman cars over there.

That's right.

I forgot about that.

Along with some memorabilia, I think there's some.

Yeah.

Some racing suits and stuff over there.

Yeah.

There's some formula one cars in there right now.

They just got a beautiful series one Land Rover that someone donated from Oregon.

Green, just like a forest green, but it's just mint.

It's stunning.

I mean, I don't like things that are over restored and just, I would have loved to see

it in patina, but yeah, it's a, it's a perfect example of a series one Land Rover,

which are getting really, really rare.

Yeah.

You know,

I just, my mind starts going and I start thinking of other collections.

One collection I never got to see in person that I really would have liked to is Otis Chandler's.

Did you guys?

Otis Chandler.

The publisher of LA Times had the,

You're familiar with that one, Matt?

No.

You're not?

Oh my gosh.

Wow.

Yeah.

I'm not either.

You got to look up the Otis Chandler Museum.

It was phenomenal and it was muscle cars.

Okay.

Mainly.

Mainly, I should say.

And some of the rarest and best and his cars have gone, you know, to other people's collections.

Wow.

I'm not aware of that.

So there's nothing that that's all in one place.

He passed and when he passed, you know, it got auctioned off in 2006.

The Gooding auctioned the entire collection and they got $36 million.

Think 36 million in 2006, man.

I mean that collection.

Wow.

It was the museum.

Oh, it was in the location where the Mullen Automotive Museum was.

Right.

That museum was sold off and reopened as Mullen in 2010 which is now closed because Peter Mullen

is also.

Because Peter Mullen died, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess he's been, he had that collection in 1987 and started building up.

Is it Oxnard?

Yes.

It was fabulous and I could never find a way to get into it back then because he was pretty,

you know, back then it wasn't like collections are now where you can kind of access them.

This was more like him and magazines and, but he had all these fabulous muscle cars,

all these grand cars and he also had tapestries.

Tapestries that were just, you know, phenomenal and.

Well, there's something unusual, huh?

I've got a book.

I've got a hard bound book that I bought that's the Otis Chandler collection and it's just,

you look through it and you just go, God, how could one guy have all this stuff?

Didn't we talk about tapestries?

I went to see Bob Lee's collection and a couple of years ago and I think he had a really rare

Ferrari tapestry and I think I took a picture and texted to you or something and you were

telling me about something about some old Ferrari tapestries or something.

Yeah.

I have one in, it's hanging on the wall out front and it's one of the huge, it's 10 foot

by 6 foot and it's a handmade tapestry by a real famous artist and mine is of an F40

and it's really cool.

They're worth it.

They're very expensive and, you know, I was able to acquire this one for a very good price.

The book you're talking about, there's one available on Amazon, still offered new as

a hardback and it's $96.01.

Oh, really?

Wow.

Yeah.

I guess there's cheaper versions or used, but there is.

I have a $96 book.

You have a $96 book.

That's worthless because you're never going to sell it.

That's right.

When I die, they'll go, we're liquidating the Fanshawe collection.

Come on, get all the junk.

$5.

I sold something on eBay the other day and I was, I saw it come through and I went, damn

it, that's sold.

And it was like one of those things I put a really high price on and I thought, oh,

buys it.

Okay.

But then it, I got the money and I was like, I really, I had it out in my showroom out here

just sitting on a table.

It was a porcelain, it was probably, gosh, 12 inches long McLaren, Bruce McLaren McLaren.

Wow.

And it was really cool and it was from the 60s and I had acquired it and had it sitting

out there on display.

You guys probably seen it.

Yeah.

But it, you know, it's now, I was, I said to myself, it's like a car.

You're only taking care of it.

Now it's.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Hey, I saw actually the first one that I'd seen in the wild, but the new charger.

I'm sure it was an electric one, not a gas-motored one.

It's literally a charger.

Yes.

It's a charger.

It had a big long extension cord.

They finally lived up to their name.

But I was a little surprised.

I'd seen it in photos, thought it looked a little bulky, thought it looked a little heavy,

saw it at the auto show and saw it from the front, kind of thought the same thing.

But I saw this one in a parking lot and it drove past me as I was walking into the store

and turned around, saw it back three quarters and it looked really kind of good.

You know, I was like, wow, it really had the DNA of a 70 charger.

Then it came around the next aisle and I got to see it from the front and I was a little

more disappointed.

It didn't look as good from the front.

To me, to me.

A note too that you didn't hear it.

You didn't say, oh, and I heard this incredible and then I saw it.

It had a 426 cross-ram hemi in it and open headers.

A photograph when you lift the hood.

It was an electric motor with open headers and men.

There you go.

Are they bigger or smaller than the previous model?

Oh, they're smaller.

They are smaller.

You mean then the original one?

Well, no, of course the original.

No, no, like the mile long.

The hemi cars.

So there's one at the LA Auto Show that has the new six cylinder engine in it.

They call it the six pack.

There's a six pack high output and a six pack standard output.

The standard output is 420 horsepower.

The high output is 550 horsepower.

But it still seems like it's kind of a big, heavy car and it probably runs fine on the

six cylinder, especially the high output.

I just think you're going to find that, like, even with 550 horsepower, it might not be

as fast as you would think it would be for 550 horsepower.

I think it's just kind of big and heavy and maybe it just doesn't quite perform.

Well, you're asking a lot of that six cylinder too.

I mean, it's probably working pretty hard to give you that.

Six cylinders can play more horsepower than V8 stand back in the day.

So that's the other thing is like when you think about it and go, oh, I'm going to get

the six cylinder version and you're going to expect better fuel mileage.

You're probably not going to get it.

So I don't know.

Now, Dodge has said the V8 fits the hemi, the red eye, whatever the Hellcat engines fit.

So probably going to have some version of that at some point.

Is there room for a gas tank?

Yes.

Yes, because there was a big battery, right?

There was a big, you know.

Oh, that's true.

OK.

But actually, so you let into my next point.

My next point being I don't think the car was ever designed to be that, right?

So it was meant to be an EV.

It's reinforced for electric, right?

And then they initially they said it's an EV and then they go, we got a little pushback.

We're going to offer it in both the gas engine and EV.

And then only recently, Dodge is like, by the way, we tried and the V8 does fit.

I go, OK, that's great.

You tried and it fits.

But now it feels like a SEMA project.

Wait, we put a SEMA project in the back and a four cylinder in the front.

Right?

Like slant.

So now I feel like unless they get very lucky, they're going to go, well, to get the V8 to work.

We had to rethink this and we had to rethink that.

And suspension points had to be colluding.

Like you couldn't get a clean sheet of paper and go, we did a new charger.

It's got the V8.

It was designed always for the V8, you know, that we can also do as an electric car or six

owner car.

But now it's going to be like, is the front going to be too heavy?

Is the back going to be too light?

Is it not going to perform well?

Is the wheelbase too long?

Is it too short?

Like, you know, does the steering not before like, you know what I'm saying?

Like it just feels like.

Oh, I know exactly what you're saying.

Yeah.

I keep thinking Sunbeam Tiger, VTEC Mini Cooper.

I'm thinking that Ford F-150 I did when they sent me the GT40 motor and the Tremac Tremac

V6, I mean, Tremac V6, Tremac 6 speed.

And I said, yeah, I can put that in and it's like dominoes.

You know, first, you know, making the motor mounts and getting it to fits no problem.

But then we had to rewire the whole truck.

Steering calls.

Those trucks, I forgot that pickups don't come with manual transmissions anymore.

So we had to go underneath the dash and create, you know, the, the pedal.

And that was the easy part because, because then we had to decide, okay, how are we going

to make this work?

And, and we start looking at all the different hydraulic clutches and all the, you know, things

that are in other Ford cars.

But then once it was all done, you think it's a pickup truck and just what Matt said, all

the suspension and everything.

And I was like, oh, crap, this truck is sagging in the front.

It was towing out, you know, because everything weighed more.

And so I had to get ahold of Coney.

And luckily Coney made me some custom one off struts for the truck that were everything.

It just, so think of that.

That's really a SEMA project.

Oh yeah.

You're trying to make it to a production vehicle.

Right.

And the guy who woke up that night and said, wow, I could have had a V8 and they came into

work the next day and said, let's put a V8 in this thing.

Everybody in engineering was like, you know, why did that guy have to do that?

You know?

Yeah.

You realize this is a flat floor pan car.

Yeah, exactly.

Right.

What do they call it?

A skate deck.

A skateboard deck.

A skateboard.

Yeah.

It's like an EV platform.

And, and, you know, like on the EV side of things is they kind of, they're so expensive

to do that they kind of need to be modular, you know, you need to be able to go.

Here's that skateboard platform, right?

We've got motors front and rear.

We've got the battery now.

Can we make it longer into a truck?

We make it shorter into a sedan.

You know, obviously changes the range and stuff like what sort of platform that we can

do that, that, you know, it can be an SUV with flat floor.

It can be, you know, a sedan, it can be a coupe, it can be, you know, all these different

things.

A minivan.

Like do we do a minivan versus just an electric front wheel drive?

So we've got in the back, we could do, you know, cubbies in the, in the floor, you know,

things like that.

So I think the EV platforms, not just the EV companies, but the companies that are making

EVs, whether you're Ford or Rivian or Tesla or even Porsche are starting to think about

how do we make this modular platform, right?

And then what can we turn it into?

Ford specifically, we know because their CEO has talked about it going, we're not going

to do a large expensive truck.

We lose money off of it and it doesn't make sense in the EV world.

And it turns out people who buy trucks want to go far and tow shit.

So, yeah, right.

So, but he's like, can we develop a modular platform that allows us to do a small truck

of some sort or a delivery van and maybe even a sedan and what, what can we do there?

So he brought up an interesting question, as Jim Farley said recently, he put it out

publicly and he said, I'm curious, you guys out there, the fans, the customers.

Would you be interested in a four door sporty sedan EV and we're like, oh, you're

asking us if we want an electric four door Mustang.

And I guess the answer to that is, I think he's thinking about bringing back to

Taurus, actually.

Well, here's the thing.

Well, what's the Mach-E then?

Yeah, the Mach-E is kind of a SUV, it's an SUV.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

It really doesn't look like it when you see them.

They kind of look like a sport hatch.

Yeah, it does, but that's kind of the direction like SUVs have gone into when you

think of like the crossover, you know, like a Honda CR-V, you know, the Toyota

Round Four, those are the best selling ones are kind of the, they're kind of wagon-ish.

So we're looking at more of like a shooting break, not even a shooting break, more like

the Porsche or the Lusso or the.

Right, he's saying, yes, if you look at the Pulsar, well, you know, doesn't your

dad has the Audi GT, right?

He's got, or his wife has the sport back.

Right.

Like that's kind of, you know, would you be interested in a, in a four door?

Now, like a McCurf XR four T I know, like Brad, you're like, can you bring back, can

bring back a car like that?

Yeah, I guess.

But when you look at for Ford, the lineup was we're only going to do trucks and SUVs

because Sedans aren't selling and we're going to do sports cars like the Mustang.

And then so when they did the Mach E, they're like, we're going to put it under the Mustang

banner.

We're going to build out that brand with multiple cars.

So I think the only option of an electric sedan is to roll it into the Mustang brand.

Right.

Because if now if you reintroduce Taurus or something, they you're going, well, how do

we create hype around that?

So can we do a four door Mustang?

But here's, here's the caveat to doing it is he also wants to do an off road supercar

like the Porsche 911 to car, which he actually told me in an interview from like a year or

so ago at Monterey.

And I said, are you guys going to do to car?

Would you do an off road Mustang?

And he goes, yes.

I was like, oh, well, that's an interesting answer because I didn't I thought you were

going to hide that a little bit.

But it came out, it came out again recently where he's like, maybe he said a super car,

so it would be expensive.

I don't think it's going to be like GTD money, but maybe would be Kenny take the Mustang

two door, lift it and go race the car and then sell it as a production vehicle.

And bring back the Fairmont name.

Could could could do that.

We race to car with a Fairmont.

But so all the the news about like these interesting sedans and stuff.

I just started digging into the internet rabbit hole of the Mercury Marauder like

two thousand three, right?

Most of them you see are black, but there's like a silver and I think there's like maroon

thing.

I've done wheels for those.

Yeah, well, I know you would be familiar with it for sure, Brad.

But I figured you did wheels.

I don't know if if if I don't remember any like Mercury Marauder like SEMA car popping

up over the years.

I mean, not not like a flagship car.

Maybe there was something in like a paint booth or a wheel and tire booth.

What they basically were was the answer to the Impala SS on Ford's side.

And that's that's what it was.

The guys who on Chevy, they had their Impala SS Ford had to come out with theirs.

You know, right?

So they they they took this Panther platform, what they called it, and which was

basically like looked like the cop car.

And then they dropped in the Mustang Cobra engine in it.

It was the 4.6 liter mod motor, but it's 320 horsepower or something like that.

So it at the time it was good power, but nowadays the stock Coyote engines 480

horsepower, but you could get this V8 mod motor with a four speed automatic.

And, you know, some of them, I think had like an air suspension in the back or

some sort of airbag in the back.

They try to make it pretty comfortable, but they're terrible.

But, you know, you know, it looks like a cop car, but Gail Banks Gail

Banks drove one for years and it was modified and it was fast.

And you'd go to the the banks headquarters and it was like this little

carport out in front of his office of like all the places you can park right

out front was his car.

And I swear I've only been there maybe three or four times.

And every time I've been there, someone was out there washing that car for him.

Like someone was like detailed.

It was gorgeous.

It looked good.

I don't know if he has it anymore or for maybe he has it and finally took it off

the road, but I think he did a bunch of upgrades to it as you would if you're

Gail Banks, but he talked about twin turbo wing it or compound charging it

like turbo into the supercharger.

And I don't know if you ever got that done.

I'm curious, but yeah, it looks like a cop car.

Yeah, totally.

Yeah, I drive it.

I think it's cool.

Really?

They're fun.

I mean, they're they're like the Impala SS.

They're the Ford version of that.

You know, it's there's a whole community around it, right?

Obviously it's a big community around it.

Not as many modifications as you would think.

There's a there's an aftermarket company or a shop that, you know, that makes a

supercharger kit and make coilovers and stuff for it.

And but yeah, it it there's just something sleeper-ish about it.

Well, speaking of sleeper-ish, I saw Pontiac Aztec on the road.

Hold that thought because that was like people on the edge of their seats.

Pontiac Aztec while we go to a break.

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Hey, we're back and I, I, man, I couldn't even go anywhere.

I couldn't leave my desk is when you said Pontiac Aztec, I had to know you

don't see him much anymore.

All in collections now.

Yeah, it got me thinking.

I was wondering how much they're worth and if they're still around.

I found one on Facebook marketplace too.

I don't know how much it was, but it was like 8,000 or something.

But, uh, yeah, it was that, it was that weird.

I'm looking at a picture.

It's kind of a, it's almost like a metallic Merlot with, with like all the

gray cladding on the bottom.

It was just, but it's like, it was going down the road and it was all lopsided.

I mean, it was, this thing was to have 300,000 hard miles on it.

Autopia guys, I think have one.

They rolled up on us at like Monterey Carwick.

They're like, Hey, and I'm like, nice Aztec.

And I know it's part of their content, but they're doing something with it.

I think the breaking bad one is in the Peterson museum.

Oh, wow.

They might have that vehicle.

That's funny.

Yeah.

So you didn't buy it?

No, no, you didn't pull the guy over and immediately make an offer.

No, no, but no, and it's funny because I was looking at, uh, I was

looking at the little Honda.

Oh my gosh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a weird one I had.

I was looking at, at one of those in the trades and this one popped up as well.

And I was like, ah, we talked about that on the show a couple of times.

What's that other one that I was thinking of that had like the recaro

seats and it was like a two door, it was a, was it a Suzu?

Oh, yes.

Yes.

Okay.

So a via cross.

I'm always looking at the, is that the one?

I'm thinking of.

Yes.

So it had carbon fiber door panels, carbon fiber dash.

Those were cool.

They were, they, they, they, they were kind of like a hot rod Amigo.

Well, like they looked like a beefy Amigo teeth in the front.

Beefy Amigo.

They had two little things.

See, I got excited now.

Um, I love those things.

They have an Ironman edition, uh, that I think came in white and maybe black.

Uh, but I found a white one that's, that's all decked out for racing.

They want like 25 grand for it, but it, uh, it was all gutted on the inside.

Just raw carbon fiber and it's a full race truck, but those things are cool.

You know, it's a bummer when, when, when you want to experience this stuff,

like the Pontiac solstice, like the GXP, those were kind of cool.

You know, like there's all these neat little cars that I'd love to experience,

but they have so many miles on them now that, that, that, like a really good example

one are as much as they were new.

They're, they're 25, 30 grand, but like.

For, for, for any of those, the Pontiac solstice GXP, like a really clean

showroom condition one, they're, they're 25, 30 grand.

Same, same.

What, what are you talking about?

The LS motor one.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, just, it's like a good, they all have so many

miles now.

My point is that they have, you know, that there's no value in them.

They have to be restored and rebuilt and they're not worth it.

If you look at the ones that are everywhere else on the market, unless it's

some, you know, showroom car.

It's kind of a bummer because I think the time has passed on, on, on, you know,

experiencing one of those.

So I'm, I'm bummed.

I've got a list of like weird vehicles like that that I've always wanted to, to

own and.

Yeah.

I don't know if that was any good, but I'm sure there's like a fan base around

it.

Yes.

They actually are really, really good vehicles.

Um, the interiors don't wear well.

Every time you see them, the seats have been reupholstered or they're just torn.

Um, but it had the cool recarrow front seats in it.

Yeah.

They had a beautiful, they were all leather inside.

Like they came one, they came one way, a red and black or a gray.

Yeah.

And on the interiors and, and they, they had all the cladding.

So the cladding dries out and, um, some things, but mechanically, those are

two, 300,000, uh, mile motors.

Um, it's based off the Susie, uh, Susie Trooper, I believe the six cylinder.

Um, they had a really unique full wheel drive system that was supposedly

legendary and worked really, really well.

Another one of those concept cars that kind of made it into production, much

like the Audi TT and the Pontiac Solstice and, and so many others.

Uh, some we won't mention, but, uh, but yeah, really cool.

I'm a big fan of those.

I'm a big, if I found a good one for fair money, I would really try to buy it.

That they're, I still really like those.

Yeah.

I remember them, you know, there was a, an Aztec that, um, after it took so

much beating, um, that, that they, they did in the design center.

And when I had my Thunderbird at, uh, the excuse me, the Detroit cruise, um, one

year when I was working with Celine on it, uh, and, and they had it on display.

And I got to admit, it was a damn good looking vehicle.

But as everybody said, well, then why didn't you make it look like this to begin

with, you know, rather than all that body cladding and, and all of that kind of

stuff, because it was gorgeous and, um, they, they kind of shot themselves in

the foot there again, because it was, it was, uh, one of those deals where it

was, um, why didn't you make it in the beginning look like this?

I just sent you guys a photo of it.

It's, oh yeah.

I mean, it looks good that way, doesn't it?

Yeah.

You know what?

I was going to show you one that, that, that, that said the Pontiac Aztec

re-imagined, re-imagined.

And, you know, they slowed the head back a little bit.

Yeah.

It's got, right.

Like that was good looking.

Like, like that works, you know, there's also an off load one that somebody did.

I don't know if you saw the army green off load version.

It's, uh, I'll send you a picture of this one.

It's, it's pretty crazy.

How people can re-imagine these and actually make them look pretty damn good.

You know, it's, um, let's see.

Yeah.

It's funny how things that were so garish and so ugly and, and quirky and weird

are starting to be like, you know what?

Is that just, is that our eyesight getting older?

Yeah.

Uh, I don't think I like the Trans Am one, but the game.

Well, it didn't, yeah, it, but everybody's got to make everything into a

trend.

Oh yeah.

Well, yeah.

But the one that GM did, I remember looking at that thing at, at, at the show

in Detroit and just going, Oh my God, this thing looks great.

You know, it's, maybe you should make one, Brad.

Uh, no, no.

And this one also, by the way, had a V8 motor in it.

Oh, okay.

So, so, so did they have a six cylinder in originally?

I think they had a four.

I thought maybe a four.

I don't know.

But they had a four cylinder.

Really?

That makes no sense.

Huh.

Wow.

Who knows?

I'm not an Aztec aficionado, although I had a six, it had a 3.4 liter or six.

Okay.

That, that makes a little more sense even though.

Yeah.

The most I know about Aztecs is their human sacrificing and cutting out

living hearts and, uh, oh, that was a different Aztecs.

That's just a rumor, man.

That's just a rumor.

No, they've proved it.

They found, uh, they found some, uh, I just, I just listened to a thing driving

back Bear's Oh, where they found something that proved that the

conquistadors weren't lying.

Wow.

All right.

Through the lifeless bodies down the stairs.

Uh, what, you know, a via cross.

Yeah.

You know what makes those look good is those big like flares that they put on them.

Oh, totally.

Like I said, it's like a beefed up, uh, amigo.

But you're right.

They, they look good, but once you start driving it, how many things are going to

go wrong and well, that's the thing is now they've all got so many miles on them.

I would assume that the reliability has gone down the drain, but, uh, but I've

always heard really good things about them.

And, and they have a really, really tight following too.

You know, it's a, it's the same thing.

Now here's one for seven grand.

That's not too bad.

You said this, this racing one that they're asking way too much money for, but

I was like, when they took these pictures, they could have washed it.

No, it's a desert race car.

Why would you wash it?

Like, I mean, all the leaves on the cowl of it.

I was like, okay, but if, if that's the case, then don't ask $22,000 for it.

Yeah.

But it's, it's, I, I imagine it costs four times that to build that thing.

And who cares?

Something's junk.

I wouldn't get the racing one.

Get the regular one.

Then a clean street one, like the one where you just said over.

Yeah.

What was the other car you were saying?

The solstice, right?

Oh, yeah.

Fine.

The, the GXP, the GXP was the little, I think they were super charged, but I

sent you a, a 97 Mitsubishi Pajero, uh, evolution, which is kind of a rally

version or that's cool.

Oh, it looks like a, it looks like they tried to make it look like a Lamborghini.

It's a, it's a, it's a little rally version.

So it has all the rally, you know, all the rally cladding, but I love this weird

stuff.

It's just expensive.

But man, that thing is cool.

Well, like the Mitsubishi, yeah, that thing is cool.

You guys got to, you guys got to post some pictures.

We can't do a podcast and just talk about pictures you're looking at.

I know.

Yes, we, yes, we can.

Wait, there, everybody, by the way, thanks for listening, everybody.

I get texts all the time and Perry and all these buddies of mine go, I

lose the last show and I was laughing my ass off.

Um, yeah, we need to provide some visuals, but you know, this is what we do.

We sit in our little rooms and we catch up.

We, we have a little bit of a list that we usually never get to.

And we just end up sending each other pictures and laughing about it.

Brad, you got us going to save off all those pictures of the text messages so

you can post them to the, uh, shift and steer social media.

And, um, that, that one there, um, that Pajero, it's got the weird wing cause

it's got like, it's almost like they started to put a wing on it and then

just put, you know, well, we'll just put the ends on.

It's like bat mites.

Yeah.

Remember bat mites had a little, I said the, the LS version of the

solstice really could get a, an LS version.

They were very rare and you, my, my buddy had one.

My buddy had never heard of that one.

And, um, they were fast.

They were, they were made to go up against the BMW Z, the Z seven.

Well, I had no idea.

Oh, that's cool.

Um, they're rare and, uh, expensive.

When you find, wasn't, wasn't it a swap?

It wasn't from the factory.

I thought it was a factory.

I, well, I think people were doing like a swap kit.

Um, yeah.

The LS, I don't think it was a factory option, uh, but there was a pretty, I

want to say popular, but there was a, a, a turnkey like swap kit for it.

You can just like a monster, me out of kind of thing.

Yeah.

There's one of those, but it's like, it's like almost 30 grand to do.

Well, you know, there was a company, I think performance auto works and they

do, they have one, I'm sure other people do, but, you know, depending on the engine,

if you do the, the, you know, the LS three or do you do, you know, the

hot cam version or whatever it's.

Mallet performance cars.

Oh, Mallet was, uh, yeah, they're kind of like a Callaway.

Yeah.

They replaced the stock engine with, you know, see, he had one.

I thought it came that way and LS two or an LS three, uh, and look at, look at

the claim they're making.

It's significantly raised the, uh, over the factory four.

Yeah.

So I guess if you bought it done from Mallet, then yeah, that is cool.

And that's, I think what he, cause I know he bought his new and it had one.

So maybe it was one of those where the, was delivered from GM and they did it.

And I remember he had that thing and it was, it was sweet and it looked factory too.

Yeah.

But not like the, I don't think it held it.

Yeah.

It's, it should be RFF really freaking fast.

I know people love the Miata.

I've never been on a, I know, I know, even, even with the V8 in it, it's like,

I don't know.

It just never, never, never did anything for me.

Um, the, um, the, uh, the rest of the show, I don't even know where to go, man.

We've just been going crazy here.

And, uh, what other quirky things can we come up with?

We, um, you know, it's, um, uh, we were talking a little bit.

And I don't even think we want to go down the rabbit hole of this NASCAR, all

these things going crazy, except for the fact that it's really hard for guys to

say you can't make any money racing NASCAR when you're making 14 million a year.

Well, when you're paying yourself 14 million, yeah, that's what I mean.

It's, uh, you know, it's, it's, uh, it's a little hard.

You know what car I always liked with a V8 in it?

You know, I'm jumping around here, but one of the ones that I really, truly liked,

um, was it was, it was an older car.

And I, I'm sure you guys are familiar with it, but the Opel GT.

Oh yeah.

The main carpet.

Yeah.

The, the 69 Opel GT was such a good looking little car.

Yeah.

I mean, great looking car.

And everyone's, while you saw them with a narrowed rear end, you know, all like

ready for the drag strip and they were cool.

I mean, they were cool just as they were, you know, and, uh, you

spilt by those for like 500 bucks.

They're, they're starting to catch on.

They're still pretty cheap, but they're starting to catch on.

Yeah.

I, you know, and, and they really are like, like miniature Corvette.

So like a half pint Corvette.

They're pretty cool.

And along those lines too, if you go European, cause I think, I think

the Opel GT was a, uh, a US collaboration, right?

They were fiberglass bodies.

Yeah.

They're US color, but, uh, are you familiar with the sob sonnet?

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

I love those sonnets.

Those, those are so weirdly cool.

The earlier ones, uh, right after the two strokes, there was three versions.

I think the first one was a two stroke.

The second one was a little folks.

Damn it.

Why did it do that?

Yeah, that's weird.

Um, did you guys see the Citroen DS 21 on, uh, on cars and bids?

There was a beautiful, beautiful blue one out of Southern California.

Really a good example.

So for 24 grand, I really want one of those.

I know you do.

You always talk about it, but, but, but dad, dad, uh, mom and dad had one

when I was a kid, a little kid, and I'll never forget that thing.

It was just so, so cool, so bizarrely cool.

How many of those have been cut in half in, in movies?

In comedies and stuff like that.

I don't know, but they were so, so cool, but it's hard to find ones of

those that are decent cause those, those hydraulic systems are just, yeah,

they could be potentially a nightmare because a whole car runs off a single

system.

It's not divorced from anything.

So you lose one of those pods and the whole, the whole car doesn't work.

But, uh, but yeah, yeah.

I didn't realize that they don't have a clutch pedal.

The, the, the, you shift them, but they don't have a clutch pedal.

The, the uses the hydraulics.

Yeah.

It uses the hydraulics and it tells you when to shift.

So when it tells you when to shift, then you shift into the next gear.

It's like this, it's like this later on shift, a mass shift.

Shift, but yeah, it says it in French.

Shift, shift, shift, you American garbage, shift.

Oh boy.

We did.

We, we went totally off the rails and it must be because we're coming back

from a holiday.

We'll be better next episode.

We'll be prepared.

We'll have, well, who am I fooling?

It'll be another shift in steer and we'll be back next week.

And that's a promise, not a threat.

Always a good time.

Thanks everybody.

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