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A Chat About CyberSecurity with Dr. Steven A Wright

A Chat About CyberSecurity with Dr. Steven A Wright

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About this episode

Modern EVs are framed as internet-connected computers, bringing a new landscape of vulnerabilities—from software exploits and social engineering to deepfakes and data poisoning. Dr. Steven A. Wright explains EV charging as an ecosystem with multiple access points, including chargers, cloud back ends, apps, and payment systems that can expose personally identifiable information. He also highlights vehicle attack surfaces like OTA updates and contactless interfaces (NFC/RFID), plus why even “airgapped” setups can be compromised. Practical guidance centers on digital hygiene and verifying information.

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Car

Dodge Charger

"...erability. You could have somebody who's hacked a charger, for instance, and maybe that's a vulnerability o..."

The Dodge Charger is a car designed for performance, with a focus on fast driving and a sporty setup. The podcast mentions it in the context of hacking or security, meaning connected features and software can be a risk if they aren’t protected. The key point is that modern cars can have computer systems that need safeguarding.

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public charging network

"Otherwise, your car is a very expensive one somewhere and that could be home charging [344.9s] or that could be some public charging network. [353.3s] And typically those charging networks have cloud back ends..."

A public EV charging network is a company/service that lets you charge your car at public stations. They handle things like who can use the charger and how charging gets paid for.

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cloud back ends

"And typically those charging networks have cloud back ends and some charging system operator [360.9s] that's administering who gets to use those charging systems."

In EV charging, the “cloud back end” is the remote server-side system that stores data and runs the logic behind charging access and billing. Because it connects to chargers and driver apps, it becomes a high-value target for cyberattacks.

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charging system operator

"And typically those charging networks have cloud back ends and some charging system operator [360.9s] that's administering who gets to use those charging systems."

A charging system operator is the company that runs a network of EV chargers. They manage who can use the chargers and how charging gets billed.

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personally identifiable information

"And once you get to that point, then you've got to have personally identifiable information [371.4s] about which accounts getting charged, how do you identify who it is that's making use [377.0s] of the service..."

Personally identifiable information (PII) is personal data that can point to you as a specific person. EV charging systems may collect it so they know who is charging and can charge you for it.

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EV chargers

"There's other issues around EV chargers themselves. [419.0s] The public EV chargers are perhaps a little more robust than the private ones..."

EV chargers are the machines that provide electricity to your car. They also have software and connections to networks, so they can be targeted by hackers.

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private EV charger

"The public EV chargers are perhaps a little more robust than the private ones [426.4s] because you tend to have some physical security around the private EV charger. [433.2s] So it's typically inside your garage..."

A private EV charger is one installed for a specific home or property rather than for public use. Because it’s often in a more controlled area, it may be harder to tamper with.

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protocols standardised

"from the early days of the initial EVs, a lot of the software to access the charges [453.1s] was all proprietary. [462.8s] But there have been some protocols standardised around communications with charging systems."

Standardized protocols are common “rules” that chargers and charging apps use to communicate. Using shared rules can make systems work together more easily, but it can also spread security weaknesses if they exist.

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Tesla

"And I guess that's maybe perceived as a strength for somebody like Tesla [567.9s] that has the sort of soup to nuts approach."

Tesla is an electric-car brand. When people talk about hacking, they often focus on the car’s software and how it connects to networks, because that’s where attackers may try to get in.

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malware

"Have you ever heard of any sort of malware or anything like, [574.9s] even through Pondone or some other contests like that,"

Malware is harmful software made to cause trouble or take over a device. In cars, it could be used to mess with systems or try to get access through the car’s connections.

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over the air software updates

"A lot of vehicles have not just a charger connection, [601.6s] but also have over the air software updates. [605.9s] And so that's another attack factor."

Over-the-air updates are software updates that get sent to the car wirelessly. If someone could tamper with those updates, they might be able to put harmful software onto the vehicle.

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infotainment systems

"There's been compromises through systems on the vehicle, [619.7s] like the in-vehicle entertainment, infotainment systems. [624.7s] Sometimes those have been hacked."

Infotainment systems are the car’s screens and entertainment features—like music, navigation, and apps. If hackers get into that system, they may be able to reach other parts of the car too.

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near field communications

"So those are things like near field communications and RFID interfaces. [662.4s] They typically don't have as much security as some of the more rigorous protocols"

Near-field communications are the short-range “tap to connect” wireless feature. If a car uses it for access or authentication, attackers might try to abuse that tap connection if it isn’t well protected.

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RFID interfaces

"So those are things like near field communications and RFID interfaces. [662.4s] They typically don't have as much security as some of the more rigorous protocols"

RFID is a radio-based way to identify something—like a key or card—without plugging it in. If the car’s RFID system isn’t secure, someone might be able to spoof or misuse that identification.

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charging station

"Is it the vehicle itself? Is it the charging station? Is it the back end systems with the payments?"

A charging station is the place/device you plug your EV into to get electricity. It’s not just a dumb outlet—modern chargers have computers and connections, so they can also be targeted or protected like other devices.

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back end systems with the payments

"Is it the charging station? Is it the back end systems with the payments? Are you trying to, with the charging station and even the vehicle attacks,"

That phrase means the online computer systems that run the charging service—like logging your session and charging you for it. If someone attacks those systems, it can affect billing or access to charging.

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destabilize the grid

"is it really against those devices or are you trying to destabilize the grid in some ways from the power by having power attacks on the grid? Yeah?"

The “grid” is the big electricity network that powers homes and businesses. If something destabilizes it, the electricity can become less stable—like the system losing control of how much power is flowing and how steady it is.

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unsafe power delivery

"Or are you trying to do some unsafe power delivery into the electric vehicle itself? Whether that's to destroy other components or degrade the batteries. So there's a lot of different targets associated with this as well."

This means delivering electricity to the car in a way that could be dangerous—like the wrong amount or the wrong way. The concern is that a compromised system could make the charger or vehicle behave unsafely.

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degrade the batteries

"Whether that's to destroy other components or degrade the batteries. So there's a lot of different targets associated with this as well. It's not just a financial attack on somebody's account or some provider in the chain."

Battery degradation means the battery doesn’t last as long or can’t hold as much charge as it used to. The concern here is that unsafe charging could make that happen faster.

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vulnerability

"It's then a matter of have the systems been patched to protect against what's been discovered in the lab or how serious is the vulnerability? So let me talk about it from the software vulnerability perspective."

A vulnerability is a security weakness in software or a device. If it’s found and not fixed, an attacker might be able to use it to cause problems.

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supply chain of software

"So let me talk about it from the software vulnerability perspective. You have a big supply chain of software associated with all of these systems. So the way almost everybody writes software is you're including libraries from elsewhere"

This means the software you use is often built from other people’s code. If that upstream code has security problems, your EV system can inherit them unless it’s checked and updated.

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open source software

"So the way almost everybody writes software is you're including libraries from elsewhere that other people have developed. These are typically open source software, so then you need to continuously check"

Open source software is computer code that’s publicly shared. It’s widely used, and that means security teams need to watch for bugs or security issues that get reported over time.

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upstream software

"These are typically open source software, so then you need to continuously check whether there have been any vulnerabilities detected in that upstream software. "

Upstream software is the code you rely on from other developers. If that code has a security flaw, it can create problems for the EV system that uses it.

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Linux kernel

"Right, if I miraculously found a problem in the Linux kernel and I've got to get Linux Torvalds to approve it, that might take a while."

The Linux kernel is the main “engine” of the Linux operating system. If a security problem exists there, it can impact lots of devices that use Linux.

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drones

"There's drones and other unbanned vehicles and then there's things like the Jetson-1, these personal flyers and robotaxis"

Drones are flying devices that can be controlled by software and sometimes by a remote connection. If something goes wrong or gets hacked, the risk can be different than with a car because it’s in the sky.

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e-bikes

"There's a much broader range of EVs. There's a lot of e-bikes and e-trikes and things like that that people are using."

E-bikes are bikes with an electric motor. If they have connected features or updatable electronics, they can also have software security issues.

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e-trikes

"There's a lot of e-bikes and e-trikes and things like that that people are using."

E-trikes are electric three-wheel vehicles. They use electronics to control the motor, so software security can matter.

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robotaxis

"these personal flyers and robotaxis and stuff like that. So there's a much broader variety of electric vehicles that consumers may be engaged with either as an operator or as a passenger in various robotaxi services"

Robotaxis are self-driving cars used for rides. Since they drive using software, hackers targeting that software could create real safety risks.

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Jetson-1

"There's drones and other unbanned vehicles and then there's things like the Jetson-1, these personal flyers and robotaxis and stuff like that."

Jetson-1 sounds like a small computer platform used for robotics and self-driving projects. It’s the kind of hardware that runs software that can have security bugs, just like computers do.

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airborne

"whether terrestrial or airborne. And so how do you issue a safe safety in that environment"

Airborne means operating in the air, like flying drones. If a system fails, the danger can be different than for a car on the road.

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Car

Tesla Model Y

"... accessories or apps that I use with my car, of a Model Y. The question was something like, were there any ..."

The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV that runs on a battery instead of gasoline. It uses a phone app and connected features to control things and add accessories. The podcast is talking about how those apps and connections work and what risks or concerns might exist.

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