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AAH #771 - How OEMs Got the EV Thing So Wrong

AAH #771 - How OEMs Got the EV Thing So Wrong

Autoline After Hours Dec 12, 2025 65 min
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About this episode

The discussion centers on the missteps of legacy automakers in the electric vehicle (EV) market, particularly regarding consumer expectations and market realities. Patrick Anderson from the Anderson Economic Group shares insights on why EV adoption has been slower than anticipated, emphasizing that the vehicles cater primarily to affluent urban consumers. The panel debates the impact of government regulations, the importance of consumer preferences, and the need for better infrastructure and incentives. The conversation also touches on the future of EVs and internal combustion engine vehicles, with predictions of fewer EV models but potentially higher sales as the market evolves.

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Term

plug-in

"you also drive an EV. In fact, it's plugged in right outside the studio"

Plug‑in means the car can be plugged into a charger to recharge its battery, and it may also have a small gasoline engine.

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diesel truck

"Like, this is just way more expensive than a gas truck, let alone a diesel truck."

A diesel truck runs on diesel fuel, which is a type of gasoline that burns cleaner and gives more power for heavy loads.

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Concept

legacy automakers

"Why did the automotive, the legacy automakers?"

Legacy automakers are the older car companies that have made cars with gasoline engines for many years.

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Concept

electric vehicles

"you know, got into this because it believes electric is the future"

EVs are cars that use electricity to move, not gas.

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Concept

electrification

"General Motors did a really good job of picking the vehicles that were their most successful for the electrification first because it's less of an adjustment."

Electrification is the move from gas cars to electric ones. It means more cars run on batteries.

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battery placement

"But they were later to the party because they wanted to start from scratch versus a four motor company that essentially carved a hole where the battery would go and did the conversion there."

Battery placement means where the big battery is put inside a car. It affects how the car looks and handles.

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Term

EV

"They launched a lot of EVs this year and they had been planning these for about 10 years."

EV means a car that runs on electricity, not gas. It charges from outlets or stations.

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Concept

full-size electric trucks

"And so anybody who's buying I shouldn't say anybody that's too broad a brush but the vast majority of people buying full-size electric trucks are still selling some are people who largely have never been in the pickup segment before"

Full‑size electric trucks are big trucks that run on batteries instead of gasoline. They can haul heavy loads and are becoming more common as people look for greener options.

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Term

crossover point

"And at some point, probably before this decade is out, even in the United States, we're going to have that crossover point."

The crossover point is the moment when owning an electric car costs less overall than a gasoline car, considering buying price, fuel, and maintenance.

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modular EVs

"until Ford comes out with the series of modular EVs that it's going to build down in Tennessee."

Modular EVs are like a set of building blocks that let car makers create different electric cars from the same basic parts, saving time and money.

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Brand

Fiskers

"[1136.0s] And I am getting picked up in Rivians, in Fiskers and Teslas."

Fisker makes electric cars that are stylish and eco‑friendly. They use batteries instead of gasoline.

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Brand

Rivians

"[1136.0s] And I am getting picked up in Rivians, in Fiskers and Teslas."

Rivian makes electric trucks and SUVs that are good for off‑road adventures. They use batteries instead of gasoline.

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Brand

Teslas

"[1136.0s] And I am getting picked up in Rivians, in Fiskers and Teslas."

Tesla makes electric cars that can go a long way on one charge and have smart tech like autopilot.

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Company

SK On

"[1564.0s] See, and this is in charge of home. [1566.0s] So SK on the South Korean company that has been working with Ford on making batteries for electric vehicles."

SK On makes batteries that power electric cars and works with big car companies like Ford.

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Company

Redwood Materials

"[1582.0s] And then we heard Redwood Materials, which was the company that was founded by JB Strabal, [1588.0s] who used to be a Tesla, who basically said, okay, what we'll do is we'll recycle all of these batteries"

Redwood Materials takes used car batteries and reuses the parts inside them, helping reduce waste.

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EV batteries

"And therefore, the amount of investment going into the development of new EV batteries is going to be decreased."

EV batteries are the big rechargeable packs that give electric cars their power. They decide how far the car can go before needing a charge.

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Company

Ampere company

"[1817.7s] You know, it's the Ampere company."

Ampere is a business that makes parts for electric cars, especially batteries and related technology.

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Term

launch control

"You know, I got launch control in my vehicle. I'm trying to ever even use it."

Launch control helps a car start quickly by automatically managing the throttle and brakes so you get the best acceleration when you hit the gas.

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Term

all wheel drive

"You can, you know, I like all wheel drive. And I know a lot of cars we had all wheel drive."

All-wheel drive means the car can send power to all four wheels at once, which helps it grip the road better when it's slippery or during sharp turns.

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CVT

"to get the max fuel economy coupled with a CVT. You never heard so much moaning and groaning coming out."

It’s a type of gearbox that changes gears smoothly without the usual gear shifts, which can make driving feel smoother but sometimes causes a ‘rubbery’ feeling.

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Concept

hybrid

"...modern cars with internal combustion engines, already get into almost any hybrid with a CVT, or so on the judge."

A hybrid car uses both a regular gasoline engine and an electric motor to help save fuel. It can run on gas, electricity, or a mix of both.

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Term

moving parts

"Like, count out the moving parts in the brakes and the seats, and you're already at 200, right?"

In a car, moving parts are the bits that move around—like pistons in an engine or gears in a transmission. Fewer moving parts can make the car simpler and more reliable.

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Company

EVGO

"and they're now with the EVGO"

It’s a business that puts up quick chargers so people can recharge their electric cars faster, and it works with car makers like Tesla and GM.

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Brand

GM

"[3412.8s] ...all-building here, as well as GM, Ford..."

GM makes a variety of cars under brands like Chevrolet and Buick, covering many styles from trucks to sedans.

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Honda

"[3412.8s] I'm including Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes..."

Honda makes cars that are easy to drive and maintain, like the Civic and Accord.

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Toyota

"[3412.8s] I'm including Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes..."

Toyota makes reliable cars that last a long time, such as the Corolla and Camry.

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BMW

"[3412.8s] I'm including Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes..."

BMW makes cars that feel sporty and are often considered luxury vehicles, such as the 3 Series.

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Ford

"[3412.8s] ...as well as GM, Ford, and Stellantis."

Ford makes popular cars like the F-150 truck and Mustang sports car, known for their durability.

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Brand

Stellantis

"[3412.8s] ...as well as GM, Ford, and Stellantis."

Stellantis owns many car brands, including Jeep and Ram trucks.

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Brand

Mercedes

"[3412.8s] I'm including Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes..."

Mercedes-Benz makes high-end cars that are known for comfort and safety, like the C-Class.

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Term

hemi

"[3543.0s] in that four‑letter word is, hemi."

A "hemi" engine has a bowl‑shaped combustion chamber that lets air and fuel mix better, making the car run faster and smoother. It’s a special design most people know from classic American muscle cars.

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Concept

North Star

"EVs remain their North Star"

It’s like a compass for the company, telling them what they should focus on to succeed.

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Chevrolet Bolt
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Car

Chevrolet Bolt

"like we saw with the Bolt, you know"

The Bolt is a small electric car that can go a good distance on one charge and is cheaper than many other EVs.

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