Arizona Tea

when given the choice, take the German car every time.

Yeah.

This week on That Car Show, we are back as a crew show.

We talk about Arizona car week,

sharing some of the experiences during the week.

I talk about getting my hands on a Lucid Gravity.

Spoiler alert, it didn't suck, Lucid Gravity.

We also talk a little bit about the future of Tesla

and where Tesla is going.

Just when you thought we hadn't had enough lists,

we have a new list.

This is the mid list.

Apparently all the young people have stopped saying it,

so we're allowed to now.

All that and a whole lot more on this week's That Car Show.

Welcome to this week's That Car Show

when we're back with a crew show.

Before we get started, I think we need to wish

special someone a happy birthday.

So Mrs. Barkie Sr., many happy returns.

We hope you've had a lovely day.

We hope Michael has cooked you breakfast in bed

and had a wonderful day.

That's right, we will spare you by not singing,

but we hope you have an amazing day.

Yes, happy birthday.

Thanks, Dan, yeah.

Yeah, how are you guys doing?

Happy to be here.

Great to see you guys.

Brian, how about you?

Yeah, doing okay, hanging in there.

Is anyone having a great year so far?

I feel like it's a mix, right?

I think Meekum's having a great year.

Yeah, Meekum's having a wonderful year up there.

Right, yeah.

Our good friends at Haggerty shared some information today

by former guest of the show, John,

but he was comparing year on year.

And last year Meekum's total sales at the Kissimmee auction

were $215 million this year.

And obviously there were some big hitters this year,

but it was double.

It was $420 million,

assuming everyone's gonna pay their bills.

But yeah, I mean, a wonderful year for me.

Watch this, there's no hat.

Right, but generally looking at these stats,

they're comparing Arizona car week and Meekum,

and everyone is up year on year,

which is good news, I guess,

for the automotive used car markets.

I mean, that's what they always wanna see.

I mean, if you can double your profits, you're doing okay.

Someone's getting a bonus this year.

Right, yeah.

But good news, good news.

Ryan, how is the Pell Street gang?

Is there still stuff going on there?

You know, I think one person showed up last week

because it was like one degree.

So Chris Coleman, good on ya,

sorry, none of the rest of us showed up,

but it was at the week before

we had a pretty good turnout at my place,

and that was a lot of fun.

I'm still getting over that.

And that was a beautiful day, which helps, right?

So lesson learned, if you're gonna have a car gathering,

pray for good weather, right?

It looked really fun.

And so what was it like hosting your own cars and coffee?

Like obviously it's a group that you know, but no.

Yeah, yeah, it was supposed to just be our group,

and then I think the word got out,

and there were quite a few people who showed up,

but it was great.

Everyone was behaved, no one peeled out.

We tore through dozens of donuts.

The neighbors came out, it was great.

It was fun.

Oh, that's fun.

It was exactly what it should have been.

And yeah, very fortunate to have such a nice group of friends

and acquaintances and neighbors and stuff, you know?

It was kind of a throwback cars and coffee.

It felt organic, and it felt, you know,

I mean, it was lo-fi in the very best way,

which was cool.

So thank you to all of you who showed up for that.

I was really pleasantly surprised at the numbers

and the quality of cars.

There were some amazing cars, right?

Well, okay, so tell us what you had,

like which kind of special cars we're gonna have?

Well, there's a Spider RS.

There was a beautiful 930 Porsche Turbo that showed up

in a really unusual blue color that a friend had just picked up.

Our buddy Tom Heran in his new Emory Outlaw.

That was here.

A lot to GT3s and GT4s and that kind of thing.

There was a bug-eye sprite.

There was kind of an old MR2.

I mean, there's all kinds of cool stuff,

mostly Porsche, pretty Porsche heavy, of course,

but just missing two of you

in your respect of GT4 and 4.0, GTS 4.0.

What is the etiquette for if you host a car and coffee

at your house?

Because like if I was to come for dinner,

I'd bring a bottle of wine.

So did they bring whiskey?

Did they bring donuts?

Did they bring anything?

Unfortunately, no whiskey,

but lots of people brought donuts, bagels,

that kind of thing, coffee, which was nice.

Yeah, yeah, it was a Sunday morning.

I could have passed around the collection plate, I suppose,

but it was nice to see everyone's faces in cars.

Donuts are a good currency, aren't they?

They are.

I wanted to do it again, though.

It was a hell of a lot of fun.

The pictures looked great,

and short of getting to be there,

it was a great way to participate

and kind of get a little slice of the fun

that you guys were having.

Yeah, it was great.

And the weather looked amazing,

which we've had here, too, the last 10 days, I think.

So next time, if you're gonna go to Ryan's house,

he's got VIP parking,

but you have to bring a bottle of whiskey.

There you go.

So you know I have way more garage than they have fleet, right?

So I filled in one of the blanks with a buddy's

beautiful 356 Cabriolet, beautiful black car,

just a lovely, lovely car.

And I thought maybe, you know, if I kind of,

it would manifest, right?

Like if this car spent some time in my garage,

it looked so good sitting next to my GT4.

Of course, when he went to start it up,

the thing let out the biggest backfire ever heard.

And I see people sort of duck and, you know,

big puff of smoke, like cartoonish puff of smoke.

And of course, he swears it had never happened before,

but it was kind of a nice punctuation to the day.

So, Ron, thanks for, let me pretend

that car was mine for a morning.

If you do a little like field of dreams,

like if you park it in the garage,

eventually you'll have one.

That's right.

I thought about just closing the door, you know?

What car?

Nope, didn't see anything.

Because I get this long tent.

That's right.

Right.

But I could do a little detailing

and get a mechanics lean going or something, you know?

But I want a 356, seeing that car in my garage,

and it was just such a nice compliment to what I have.

And they're just such good cars, such good cars.

Beautiful thing.

Wow.

Is that something that you have wanted before?

No, it's something that since I've been involved

with the Colorado Grand, you know,

they've really grown on me.

And, you know, I realize a lot of these cars,

they don't fit so well in, right?

But the 356, I fit in just fine.

And, you know, it's familiar.

And they're just, you know, they don't break down

like some of the other cars do.

They're really reliable relative to some of the other stuff.

And they're just, they're timeless, you know?

I wish I would have kind of gotten into them 10 years ago.

But, you know, buy high, sell low, right?

Yep.

Even boxers are expensive these days.

Like the original boxers are going up in value.

I feel like it's right on the cusp of,

you could still find one now,

but that's not going to be true for much longer.

I think people are starting to,

because it's more, I think, of the Porsches,

those are currently still more, a bit more accessible.

But that may not be the case much longer.

I was reading that the Pacific Northwest is getting,

I guess, don't throw away, putting it,

is getting a lot less rainfall than normal.

Is that right?

Yeah, it's been, I think,

and I think that's been true the last couple of years,

like maybe the last four years,

there has been an unusual period of sunshine

and clear skies in January, which we never used to have,

but it does allow you to get your fun cars out

if you thought they were put away for the whole winter.

So we took the GT4 out last weekend, I think, and...

Speaking of waking up the neighborhood, right?

Do you have, like, a route now?

Have you got, like, a route that you can go to?

No.

So that's been kind of fun just exploring,

and, you know, because I know the road's up here

a little better than Tori does,

so it's been fun kind of showing him a few of them,

but really a lot of my just kind of, like,

cruise driving has been in California.

So, yeah, it was fun to sort of just get out and go

and, you know, just cruise and get reacquainted

and remember just how good the car is,

because, man, you know, I don't care what's going on,

a few seconds behind the wheel,

and all is right with the world.

Such a good car.

There we go.

And I misread your notes, Lindsay,

because you went to the advanced meter of the racetrack,

and I thought you said that there was an electric mix of cars,

and it was eclectic mix of cars.

I was like, that sounds like a shit car show.

You're like, I'm so glad you went and I didn't.

Yeah.

That's really funny.

I mean, it felt electric.

It was crazy, and because of the weather being so good,

they had kind of an impromptu cars and coffee

down at Pacific Raceways in Kent,

where the performance driving school is.

And we got there, like we were maybe a half hour after it started,

but, you know, it's kind of open house,

and there were probably 150 cars there.

Like, I've never seen that many cars there at one time.

It was like going to the Willow Springs Reimagined

and seeing the number of cars there and just going like,

there's more cars here than there have been in 10 years.

Like, I've never seen that many cars at Pacific at once.

Almost the whole paddock was full, which was so much fun.

And it was, they were all over the map.

Like, I was just looking at my pictures.

You know, there was a, one of the most recent generations,

GT350 Mustangs, blue with white stripes, which is what I had.

So that's always a treat to see.

And they had, you know, there was the kitchens

who run the school.

They now have a Pro 3 E30 race car.

So that was there.

I hadn't seen it in person.

That was fun.

Obviously, a lot of Porsches.

There were two of the Blackwing sedan Cadillacs,

which is like one of that launch glued.

I could have dig those.

Which is so cool.

Yeah, I'd really love color.

Well, and they're such a sleeper,

if you don't know what they are,

and then you hear them and you're like,

wait a minute, like what's going on there?

And there was this gorgeous Audi,

like midnight purple wagon, which was really cool.

Several E30 M3s, several E36 M3s.

A few of the most current M3 generation,

like in really unique colors.

One was this like brilliant metallic teal.

And then there was a rust colored one.

And what was really cool is,

then there was an E36 rust colored one,

and you could see them.

So it was like, you know,

seeing the progression in real life.

Well, Lindsay, most importantly,

were there any E39 M5 owners?

That were out for blood.

There were not.

Yeah, right.

I had more than a couple people reach out.

If you haven't heard the last episode,

we did a bit on cars that,

worst cars we've ever driven,

which is strong language.

But you were really underwhelmed with the E39 M5.

And it wasn't a car I thought

was going to be brought up in that segment.

But no, the consensus seems to be

that the good cars are really good

and the cars that aren't aren't.

And oh, interesting.

But they are a loyal, a loyal bunch.

They are.

I figured that would generate some engagement one way or the other.

Yeah.

I know.

Well, and it's so funny because I dropped off

the M3 for service today.

And as I pulled up to the shop,

there was an E39 five series in this gorgeous,

you know, ice blue.

And as soon as I rounded the corner and saw it,

I went, oh, and then I was laughing at myself

because I remembered what we talked about last week.

I mean, I really do love them.

So, you know, okay, Lindsay.

Yeah, right.

And then there was a typhoon at the Avans.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Black typhoon.

There was a beautiful kind of mustard yellow

912.

There was a 1978 Cadillac in this,

like, you know, the butter yellow kind of of that era.

That was really cool.

There was a one of the new Alpha Julia Quadrifoglio

in that brilliant emerald green that they have.

Yeah.

So this was eclectic.

It was it was a really fun mix.

It was like a true, you know, what you when you go to a cars

and coffee that isn't themed and you're just,

it was like mixed nuts.

It was so much fun because every row

was this really random mix.

It was modern vintage, you know, high performance regular

all over the map.

So definitely worth going.

And, you know, it's always fun to get to see the

performance crew too.

So we got to catch up with them and see the dogs and it's all good.

Cool.

Yeah.

We made the list of the weather.

I was on a mission last weekend to report back on Scottsdale car week.

Tell us all about it.

I made it out alive, which is a good thing.

It's huge this year.

It was huge from everything from car sales to everyone was down there.

And yeah, it was a good week, a really good week.

And it started at Radford Race School.

So this was formerly the Bondurant School of Racing.

Yeah, right.

And yeah.

So we went to we went there and they've obviously got the Dodge Hellcats.

And at that point, I didn't have a car to drive.

I was being chauffeured around in a VW Atlas.

And I was going to get a Hellcat for the week.

They were going to give me a Hellcat.

But then Mark at Radford said, Hey, do you want to try this instead?

And he gave me the keys to a lucid gravity.

That is what an amazing surprise.

Right.

And not being a big electric car person like, you know, I was like,

do I want the keys to this or give me the Hellcat?

But we decided that the gravity was going to be a better car for the purposes of the week

in terms of hosting science and, you know, doing a lot of driving.

And yeah, it was it was quick.

It was it's probably the quickest car I've ever driven, which is saying something.

And it was like, what's the right way of putting it?

It's like seductively quick in terms of like, you want more,

you just lulls you into it.

Yeah.

I mean, lots of people.

It's a siren song.

Then you add the actual siren song behind you and then you're screwed.

Yeah, that's in all the ways.

A lot of people were saying, oh, is that a people carrier or weak?

So I think it has a split identity.

The thing is like, when you want to drive it quickly, you want it in the lowest setting.

So it doesn't actually look, it looks more like a wagon or a, you know,

a people carrier than it does.

But that's because you're driving it low.

So is it so you can raise and lower the ride height?

Yeah, yeah, big time.

Yeah, there's like five or six settings.

I didn't realize that.

I think it was a pre-production car.

So I hope it was a pre-production car because some of the technology was a bit amiss.

But I really loved, we went to Sedona for the day.

And I took it on a very spirited drive back through the mountains.

We went to various locations that, you know, that had twisties.

And even one set of roads that we had that were twisties were one lane as in,

there was a separate road to the left that was going up the hill.

And we were going down the hill.

Split highway.

Yeah, split highway.

And the Regen, you have settings on the Regen.

And like, I haven't had many electric cars.

And they were a purveyor of an electric car.

But the Regen on it, obviously it doesn't work when your battery is fully charged

because it's got nothing to Regen into.

But it was, you could set it to hard, which was fantastic because it really helped

breaking into the corners apart from the time where I went all in into a corner and it failed.

And luckily, I managed to get it out of the corner on the other side.

But I don't know if that is a, you know, maybe it needs to come with a warning

saying if you go into a corner quicker than 100 miles an hour, it's not going to work.

Justin, they're like, could we have a word?

Minor heads up.

Brakes must work okay though.

The brakes, I think Jesus was my copilot into that corner.

Yeah, it's got Regen braking and the power of the Messiah.

Because, you know, put it out the other side.

That's the official term.

Yeah, it was a code brown moment for sure.

Well, that wasn't any time it failed on me, but I loved the Regen.

It gave me confidence in performance driving.

But it's the heaviest car I think I've ever driven as well.

And did you feel the weight when you were driving it?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, they've done a good job of trying to reduce that, but it is a, it's like,

it's probably one of the heaviest cars on the market.

Yeah, but on the freeway, like you would just put your foot on the accelerator

and like you were doing 110 allegedly before you knew it.

Yeah, it was very quick.

Because Lindsay and I have driven this car, but only in the confines

of downtown LA during the auto show, right?

Right, I think you drove the air, didn't you?

We drove the air, all three of us drove the air a year ago,

and then this year we got to drive the gravity.

So I was really excited when you said you had one for this extended length of time.

Well, and so, Ryan, did you, what did you think about it?

Because when we drove the air in 2024, I loved it instantly.

It was one of the few cars that I just went like, absolutely yes, all of it, I'll take it.

The gravity, I didn't have that sort of gut response to.

Yeah, I thought the gravity seemed a little more buttoned up, a little, you know,

just better put together, I guess, you know, because when we drove that air,

it was, I think, a pretty early one.

I don't think we had full power in either of these, you know, these cars,

and we drove them unlike you.

So didn't really get a sense of the power in quite the same way.

But they're neat because they're unlike anything else, right?

They just, they have a vibe that's just different.

And, you know, they're cool.

I really thought they were very comfortable.

I like the fit and finish, the quality, the materials.

But, you know, it's, it's hard out there, you know, for a small electric car company.

And so I don't know, you know, what the future holds, but I'd love to see them succeed

because I think they've got a really compelling product, you know.

And I think maybe I'd like the air.

I think maybe I'd like the sedan better in a way, not quite sure.

I'd have to drive them both again, Lucid, and do a back-to-back.

And this time give us the full bore, you know, versions, please.

So I don't know what settings, but the settings on the new one is calm.

And calm is like eco mode.

And I think that's a riff on Tesla because Tesla have a similar phrase.

Yeah.

Next one, which really is probably why I love the car.

It's called Swift.

There you go.

Talk about a math mate in heaven.

Yeah.

And then the Norton 60, like if you want to, if you want to beat like GT3s off the line,

the Norton 60 is called Sprint.

So it's got three modes on it, but I couldn't get Apple CarPlay to work.

But let me guess, you never took it out of Swift.

No, yeah, it lived in Swift.

Why would you?

Three days in, I discovered that electric seats also were massaging seats.

Oh.

So that was cool.

Yeah.

That's a nice discovery.

Yeah, it was.

It was a lovely surprise.

Like, what does this do?

Oh, hello.

Buy me dinner first, right?

Yeah, that's right.

We can let you down.

We should have had like a Taylor Swift lyric on deck to share.

There we go.

Yeah.

But we'll just edit it in later, can't you, Ryan?

Or we can just do an insert.

Your favorite Taylor Swift lyric here.

Yeah.

We'll put one in the comments, guys.

Yeah, there you go.

The wittiest comment win.

So I challenge you.

There you go.

Yeah, there you go.

Coating pro's titles also work.

Yes.

So how many people, like what was the most,

how many, what was the max number of people that you had in it during the week?

When you were fairing people around?

I had four people in it at one point.

They all agreed that when you really put your foot down, everyone feels nauseous in the car.

But they did love the heated seats in the back.

But yeah, at one point there was four of us in it.

And there was an extra row, so there's three rows.

Yeah.

But you don't get much luggage space with the three rows.

So obviously you put the third row down if you want the luggage space.

But yeah, I want to spend more time in one and hopefully with the technology working,

like I couldn't get carplay to work.

And so I had to separately match Spotify.

So there was a separate app for Spotify and you do a QR code.

So, but yeah, I loved it.

You know, for an electric car, and I had all sorts of problems with Tesla,

and we'll maybe come on to Tesla in a minute, but yeah, at the end of my spirited drive,

I ended up with 30 miles left and managed to navigate to a Tesla hyperchargers.

And this is like probably six in the evening, and I'm about an hour and a half away from Phoenix.

So anyway, I go to plug in nothing, I then download the app.

And if you've used the Tesla app, you download the app and then it emails you a code

and you put the code in.

But the problem was there was such a delay.

Every time I would make a request, go to the email.

By the time the email came in, the page had expired.

Yeah, the air was quite blue with insults towards Mr. Musk at that point.

But eventually I then got it working.

And then for some reason, that Tesla charger wasn't on the charging app.

And the nearest supercharges were 30 miles away.

And I had 30 miles left in the tank, or the tank, I guess, the battery.

So yeah, it was very, it was a very, it was like, I think I may have claimed,

I'm never going to drive another electric car again at one point.

Clearly I did the next day.

But yeah, so the charging network was still very frustrating.

Threats were made and not chemistry, that's right.

Yeah, but I know you guys saw some news around Tesla.

So I don't know if you want to share that now.

Yes, I just read that Tesla will be discontinuing the Model S and the Model X

in favor of transitioning that factory over to build the Optimus robots.

So before long, the robots will run amok at Tesla.

Did they transform from the, from the semi truck into the,

right, that was Optimus Prime.

Optimus Prime and the Transformers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, that might be more like, I feel like they might have better luck selling the robots

if they did transform into a semi truck because Elon is saying that they are giving the Model

S and Model X an honorable discharge as they transition over to, because he says we're all

moving towards autonomy, whether that's accurate or not.

And he's anticipating building a million robots, I think a year and selling them.

I mean, I guess I'm more, I'm also interested in like who are,

who's the target audience for these robots too?

Well, let's break this down because there's a lot going on here.

When did the Model S come out?

How many decades ago was that?

It's been a while, right?

2012, was it earlier?

Shall I, shall I give our research department a break?

Our research department.

You're just dealing with an old car whose time has come.

You're saying 2012.

I think that's pretty, I think maybe 2011.

I think they're about 17 years old.

So what would that be?

20.

That would be 2009.

2009.

Will you look that up?

Since 2012.

2012.

Oh, Ryan, wow.

There's a reason he's the number one writer on Autoblog.

He gets the back to write first every time.

That's right, I'm sure that's so far from the truth.

We never doubted you.

But it's an old car.

That's an old car, right?

I mean, it's, you know, that's a lot of model years, right, for anything.

And although I think they've, well, I want to say they did a nice job of keeping it current,

but I was in one recently and it really does feel old now, right?

Even the, even a new one feels old.

It's just, it's dated.

And the, you know, the Model 3, I think when it came out,

was just a superior car in so many ways.

But, but, you know, in the Model X, right?

You know, I don't know when that must have been a couple years later, right?

So maybe 2015.

I am happy to find that out as well.

You know, these are old cars.

Their time has come and gone.

I mean, you know, I thought you were going to say they're going to get rid of these cars

so they could finally start production of the Roadster.

Right?

I was going to say that.

They're just trying to distract everybody with these robots.

Yeah.

Look over there, squirrels.

Yeah.

So the Model X began production in 2015.

So just a couple years after that.

Okay.

So what's left in production?

What are they still going to make?

They're going to make the truck still?

Yeah.

The Model 3.

And the Y.

Model 3.

And the Y.

Yeah.

Y.

You know.

And the cab, is that like there's an autonomous cab as well.

Are they making that now?

That is a great question.

They distracted everyone with the robots and did not talk about that on the call.

At least in the article I read.

The only time I've seen one of those robots was at a party and it was a bartender.

Actually, now that you mention it, yes, I could use one of those at my house.

Yeah, actually.

What are they for?

Like, what's the purpose?

Are they just sort of like Butler robots?

Are they, you know?

I mean, that's what I was picturing, but I guess.

Military industrial, you know.

Right.

Like, how capable are they?

You know, like, could they be in a factory or whatever?

The only video I've seen, and maybe it's the same one, Dan,

this robot was supposed to be passing out bottles of water.

And what it looks like is that the robot takes off a headset.

So the inference is that the teleoperator, like, wasn't logged out, took the headset off.

The robot mimed that or mimicked that and then fell backwards and knocked over the water.

So on that note, maybe stick to building the Model S and the Model X.

Yeah, yeah, it's, I have to be careful.

I just applied for a role at Elon.

He has a brother named Kimball Musk who has a company called Nova Sky Stories.

And I didn't know until after I applied for this job.

It's a creative director role that there was an affiliation.

Nova Sky Stories does these amazing, like, aerial displays with thousands of drones.

And I thought it would be a very cool company to work for.

They're up in Boulder here.

I did a little digging and apparently this came about.

This Kimball and his wife were at Burning Man a couple of years ago.

I guess the weather was bad.

They couldn't burn the man or something.

And he thought, gee, what this, what Burning Man really needs is a drone show.

And that, that began, you know, this, this company.

And I'm the man to deliver.

Yeah, if anyone's listening.

Well, I am Ryan.

Creative director right here.

But yeah, so yeah, yeah, you know, it's a small world.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Small world soon to be full of drones after me.

Get the job.

You could have so much fun with drones.

Couldn't that be amazing?

Would that be amazing?

It could be like graffiti.

You could tag the sky.

Couldn't you?

There's your new slogan.

If you get the job, Ryan, what you've got to do is you've got to create that car show

logo in late in late.

Have you ever actually seen one of those shows?

Like they're really impressive, right?

They're incredible.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I saw one actually at Lamar.

They do a fireworks display.

Dan, I don't know if you saw the fireworks, but this year they had a drone element to it.

And they spelled Lamar in the sky vertically.

And they spun around.

I mean, it's it's remarkable what they did.

It's a three dimensional element, you know?

Yeah, we're both on the Indianapolis 500, really.

Really long time.

Yeah, exactly.

They're like, you know what?

We're just going with Indy.

Anyway, back to Car Week, Arizona Car Week, that is.

So after getting the Adrenaline Fix at Radford Race School, and if you've not been,

I would highly recommend it.

Those guys are, you know, ahead of their craft when it comes to teaching safety,

specifically driving.

We went to the owner of Radford's house for the evening.

And this is one of the highest demand tickets in the week.

It's pretty hard to get an invite to that to that event.

And I walked in.

Who do I see there?

Smiling, giving me a big hug.

Friend of the show, Jorge Aquino.

He has clearly made it in the Arizona car community.

Because he got an invite to have his ticket in town.

He was in good form.

And he was kind enough to introduce me to all his friends.

It kind of felt like a personal concierge service.

And every time I turned around, there was another guest that he said,

hey, you guys should meet.

So it was a wonderful evening.

Got to hang out with Justin Bell as well.

Yeah.

And the folks from events.

So Adam and Nicky, who's the director there.

And yeah, Justin.

Yeah, it was a good evening and a good way to start.

They actually reunited Justin Bell with he won Le Mans in a Dodge Viper.

And as part of that, he kind of got to buy a Dodge Viper stroke.

Get given.

And that car was there.

So he got reunited with that car, which is pretty cool.

Oh, that's cool.

Is that was that the year that he and his dad were on the same team that?

That was earlier.

Yeah.

That was earlier.

So that was in a Harrods McLaren.

And yeah, they ended up leading the race for many, many laps.

And they weren't supposed to.

So what I mean by that is this wasn't the factory team.

So in theory, the factory team for McLaren should be doing better than a private tier team.

Right.

But yeah, they ended up, yeah, leading.

He's got some great stories about like, you know, when you do the people transfer,

Le Mans, when you swap drivers, apparently he just pulled his dad out.

And his dad went rolling down the pit lane.

Like the adrenaline was so much that he just like dragged him out.

And this is obviously Derek Bell, who is one of the most important people in motorsports.

He's got a few accomplishments to his name.

He's been around a little bit.

Yeah.

Why not?

That was day one in the can.

Good way to start the week.

Day two, we went to private collections.

And the first private collection I went to, you know, this gentleman had all sorts of Lamborghinis,

all sorts of black series Mercedes, but the most impressive achievement of all his cars

is he invited us all into his living area.

And you walk through the front door and what is facing straight ahead of you

is a DeLorean.

And then you look at the math of the door width and everything else,

and he tells this story that he bought the car, but only on the condition that the person

selling the car could get the car into the house.

And the car does not fit through the front door.

So the car actually got craned over the house and then moved in from the back.

So, you know, you know, you've made it when you can buy a DeLorean and have it craned into your house.

Yeah.

How many robots?

Yeah.

I mean, it'd have been much easier, wouldn't it,

if Optimus and his friends had come along and moved it.

But yeah, so that was an accomplishment.

You know, you've made it when you've got a DeLorean in your front living room.

And maybe that's the right place for a DeLorean.

Yeah, I was thinking that because for the most part, we all say we like to see cars driven

and it's tough to see cars that are just tucked away, but that might actually be the perfect

situation for a DeLorean.

Just given their, you know, especially with the age that they are,

because it's still being celebrated and enjoyed in a way that makes sense for that car.

Have either of you ever driven a DeLorean?

Because I haven't.

I haven't.

Maybe I'm being too hard on them, but you know, it's.

No, I mean, I don't think they're known.

I don't think they're known for their reliability.

No, it's weird though, isn't it?

Because in theory, part of them should be a good car.

Because the chassis was developed by Colin Chapman of Lotus.

So in theory, but then they went and put a French engine in the back.

That's right.

And a crappy gearbox and the ingredients didn't equal a great car.

I was going to say what it's, it's a lesser than the sum of its parts.

Yeah.

Not usually the case.

A rarity.

But an icon like very few cars are and right, you know, right.

That's why I think maybe displaying them is the perfect solution.

That's okay.

Yeah.

He had a hoverboard in it.

He had.

Oh, that's amazing.

What was the character in Marty McFly?

Marty McFly, he had a driver's license, a California driver's license with a picture

and said Marty McFly.

So it was all about the little touches, which was cool.

Yeah, that's cool.

I love that.

Yeah, no.

Plutonium was actual plutonium.

That's right.

Yeah, everyone was glowing that evening.

Literally.

So that was the first car collection of the day.

And then we went off to Sedona.

And if you've not been to Sedona, it's a beautiful, beautiful location.

You know, it's out in the desert.

You've got the, you know, those rock formations that I guess remind me of like Airwolf or

something like that.

They sort of, you know,

Speaking of the 80s.

Yeah.

The theme continues.

Right.

Back to the future.

Airwolf.

What else can we get in this show?

But it was cool.

And then we came back.

And then that evening I ended up going to the auto club.

You guys can go to the auto club.

So this is a car storage and kind of, you know, a membership club.

They hosted a specific party for car week.

Everything was done really nicely in terms of like red drapes all the way around.

And then through the drapes were roof cars mainly pushing through.

So you could only see like two quarters of the car, which is quite nicely done.

They had folks on like high wires.

So it was almost like a Cirque du Soleil meets roof.

Don't fall on the roof.

Yeah.

And in the corner, there was also a Zinger.

And I caught up with a guy called Cooper from Zinger.

So shout out to him.

He does all that social media and he's a good guy.

He's a skilled photographer too.

He has worked with Hagerty and brought Arrow to do a lot of their photography as well.

There we go.

Small world.

Very small world.

I mean, as always.

Yeah.

And then that was Thursday.

Friday was Barrett Jackson.

And I guess firstly, thank you to Barrett Jackson for the hospitality

because they were very kind enough to give us hospitality.

We weren't in the Craig Jackson suite, but we were next to it.

So it was pretty good.

You were Craig adjacent, which is just as nice.

Yeah.

What an eye opener of an auction.

So I'm used to RM and Bonham's and maybe Gooding's.

This isn't that.

This is a massive auditorium and they are playing a volume game.

So what I mean by that is literally the cars roll on one side of the stage,

go across the stage, then go up for auction.

And they're in two positions during the auction.

The first position is the middle of the stage.

And then the second position is slightly on the down ramp.

But I would say that each car was selling or not selling within like a two minute window.

So it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, car, car, car, car.

And it was a lot of American.

I was there on the Friday and the further on the last day is the Saturday.

And the nicest cars get sold on the Saturday.

So I didn't see the nicest car.

But it was also a really interesting mix of people.

I think the car park was mainly full of trucks.

So not necessarily your people, Lindsay, but it was it was full of trucks.

The side halls had everything from watches to, you know, book yourself on a bison hunt.

So that might give you an idea of some of the some of the guests.

But yeah, I feel like that, like, is that is there a lot of overlap in that Venn diagram

is like if you're going to Barrett Jackson, you might buy a car or also go on a bison hunt.

She bison, I think also cigars is another big thing.

So there were lots of areas outside where people smoke cigars.

Okay. Okay.

Interesting.

Yeah. So it was a shock.

It was a shock.

That's quite an electric mix.

It's like the state fair or something.

Lots of jeans and t-shirts.

That was the kind of theme of the day.

It's a good spectator sport because you can walk around and see what cars are about to come

through the auction and they all get driven through.

There were some beautiful Broncos.

So yeah, there was quite a few beautiful Broncos that kind of went through.

Were they like first gen, like what era?

Like the classic, but the resto classics.

Oh, yeah.

All done very nicely, color-wise and yeah.

They're just so adorable.

There was one, I watched it briefly, like I think mid-week, and there was a 90s Cadillac sedan,

one of the big ones, one of the Brellum, if anybody remembers those.

And it was such a through act.

But I used to see the script, you know.

Yeah. And this one was just, you know, burgundy inside and out.

Had the, you know, vinyl roof, I think, or the cloth roof.

I don't know if you remember those.

And it was, there was a lot of 90s cars in that segment, but that was such a throwback to,

you know, I remember seeing those in high school.

Man, I haven't seen Brellum on the side of a car in a long time.

It was, I kind of wish I'd gone on the Saturday now because my friends that did go

bumped into the actor that played Officer Frank Ponturello from the movie series.

I saw that, I saw that, you know.

Yeah, that was, he's hero status in my head.

Yeah, yeah.

And yeah.

I was always a Camp John Baker, to be honest.

But, you know, I like punch too.

And I would love to get a pinch with it.

Would you accept punch in a pinch?

I would accept punch in a pinch.

So he was there on the cover of that.

I'd accept a pinch from punch.

Pinch punch first of the month, right?

Either or.

I promise that none of us have been drinking tonight.

I know.

I'm a croit, you know.

This for charisma.

Well, that was Friday.

What was he, what was Panch buying?

Was he buying a 78 Kawasaki?

There were no minor bikes.

So, okay.

He was at the wrong auction for that, right?

Panch was there for the bison hunts, obviously.

Clearly.

I think Panch was there for the ladies.

Let's be honest.

So that was Friday.

Friday night was, I wasn't going to, I was doing a dinner

and I wasn't going to go, but then I found out that some friends

were at the events party.

So went to the events party at the warehouse.

It's so fun.

And shout out to Rebecca.

Lady called Rebecca owns the warehouse

and she's done an amazing job with it.

It's, it's a really cool location for the week.

It was an art studio and car storage.

So there were four artists there for the week

and they'd all created art based on a 250 GTO.

So that was pretty cool.

Oh, that's cool.

That beats a face of flowers.

I mean, that's, that's a nice subject.

Better than a Van Gogh, right?

Was Lynn Heiner one of the artists that was there, you know?

Yeah, I was with Lynn during the week, actually.

Lovely lady.

She's lovely.

She's based in Southern California.

And so we cross paths, you know,

as often as we're in the same place.

But yeah, just after you said that,

I realized I had seen a picture of her,

but I didn't know about the venue.

So is it, is the warehouse like an event space?

Is it typically car themed?

Yeah, I think it's definitely a car themed location.

It's got a couple of offices.

It's got, I think there's car storage there as well.

So it's got everything, I think.

But it was cool because I was also catching up

with some of our rival podcasters.

So if you guys know Filippo and Nick from this car pod,

is that right?

Is that their, I don't think they're big yet,

but they'll get, they'll get there one day.

You know, we'll find their sea legs.

Yeah, I managed to catch up with those

and they're super nice people.

It's awesome.

So it's good to talk to them and...

Very cool.

Dan Pilling in Podcast Wars.

Should have had like a podcast off or something.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

Well, it's always fun to talk shop.

Yeah, yeah.

And they were in good form.

Nick had bought, he's got an SLR Mercedes convertible.

That's right.

So he'd driven that from, I guess, San Diego way on.

Okay.

That's a good drive.

Not too long, but you definitely get some time in the car.

Yeah, he was saying that he wouldn't have risked it

in his old car, which was a Lamborghini,

but he felt more comfortable in the Mercedes.

When given the choice.

Right.

What is one to do?

Take the German car every time.

Yeah.

So that was Arizona Car Week.

I think it's one of these events where you go every other year

or you go every three years.

I think if you do it every year,

it's probably the same people, the same events

and probably not too much of a differentiation.

Did you get to drive at Radford on the track?

Not this time.

I have done before and to be honest, I could have done.

But work was unfortunately in the way.

But I have done in the past of the track.

Yeah.

No, I knew, I remember when you did the school

because we got to hear about it.

Yeah.

There was a police officer turned up

and he had a charger, a new charger.

Okay.

And he was allowed to use the track.

And I tell you what, no one was getting away

from a speeding ticket in the Chandler area if he was behind you.

He drove like he stole it and it was a police car.

Okay.

That's amazing.

Well, I mean, anytime, I didn't get to get out

at Pacific on Saturday either, but even racetrack adjacent

is a good time.

Yeah.

Well, and so you mentioned you were going to get a Hellcat

and I'm glad to hear that you didn't

because there was a jewelry store robbery in Orange County

and they used Hellcats.

But so now we know it wasn't you for sure.

Yes, I have an alibi and a gravity.

Right.

Yeah.

But tell me, I saw that story and they escaped in two Hellcats.

Neither one was being pursued, yet they both managed to crash

and then they were all arrested.

So right.

Talk about literally crashing out as possible in a spectacular fashion.

Ending.

I mean, it's just a shout out to Jorge,

our buddy Jorge down in Phoenix because he's really owning

that whole Arizona car week thing.

He was pumping out podcast episodes left and right.

I don't know how he does it.

I don't know where he gets the energy.

He does these things on the fly.

He's our generation's automotive, Charles Corralt, I think.

He's on the road and he's recording

and he's capturing every story and he's going it.

So it's good to see.

Yeah, it was good to see.

Missed being there.

I missed being there.

His friends was so nice.

So nice.

Oh, that's awesome.

It was YouTubers, it was artists.

It was only the detailing shops,

but they were all really nice car people.

So he was in good company.

That's what it's all about.

It's always fun to, you know,

because a lot of us are not in the same place very often.

Like we're lucky that social media has connected us.

So it's cool to meet people in person

when you are in the same place.

Yeah, no, totally.

Totally.

Ryan, you had an idea around definitions of mid-cars.

Well, everyone seems to like these little collections

of cars we do, right?

You know, the worst cars you've ever driven,

you know, like the E39M5.

And so, Lindsay, you've got a 13-year-old.

I've got a 13-year-old.

And you pick up on the lingo a little bit.

Can't say six, seven anymore.

I'm not quite sure what's next.

But for a while, they were using this term called mid.

And, you know, so it's kind of like,

I don't know, Dan, you asked me what it meant.

And tell me if I'm wrong, Lindsay,

but it's kind of like the, I don't know,

the dad bod or the mom jeans of cars, right?

Like the most mid car, right?

So what is the most mid car?

Just like, not a bad car,

but just like kind of the most average of cars.

Like if you asked a kid to drive, to draw a car,

you know, what would that car be?

You know, and so, I mean,

I would say they're unremarkable.

Unremarkable.

Do the job.

Totally functional.

Nothing wrong with them,

but it doesn't get your blood going.

So could we say the other podcasts are mid?

Absolutely.

All mid.

All other podcasts.

The car.

All other ones.

Yeah, every single one is mid.

Yeah.

What I'm hearing is that there wasn't a podcast war in Arizona,

but Dan would like to start one.

Mid.

Just declare it so.

That joining glove has been launched onto the ground.

Right.

Well, and I think that really we're right on schedule,

because like you said, Ryan,

the kids aren't using it anymore.

So it's just perfect timing for us to pick it up.

Right, for us olds, right, to, you know, to come in, you know.

So yeah, I think it's just, you know, like again,

not a bad car, just kind of average, you know,

probably nothing too obscure, right?

Like what else would be a, would be a mid car?

Yeah, they just, just so average, right?

So I don't know who, so I asked you each to pick three.

And Lindsay is another parent of a 13 year old.

I think you probably have a pretty good sense of the word.

So what'd you go with?

So at first I kept thinking, because there was, at one point,

I had a Cayman and it was in the shop for a week,

but they kept telling me it was ready.

And the way the setup, you'd get a rental car,

and then you had to walk over to the shop to pick up the car.

And so you'd throw the rental car key through the slot,

and then I'd go to pick up the car,

and they'd say, just kidding, it's not ready.

So you'd get a different rental car.

And that happened, I think twice.

And finally, I was like, I'm going to hang onto these keys.

Until I find out that the car's actually ready.

And so that was a week of multiple mid cars,

but it was long enough ago that I couldn't remember them.

But I definitely, I had a sense memory when you said, Ryan,

what is a mid car that's available?

I went, whatever those three were, absolutely fit the bill.

But also, we've talked before about unremarkable rental cars.

A lot of them fit the bill.

But what I landed on, and I decided to go,

I decided to include a gas car, a hybrid, and an electric.

There are used and new options.

And I would say, just generally unremarkable,

but nothing wrong with them, and they get the job done.

So the three that I chose are the Tesla Model 3,

because they are, we're just overrun with them here.

And so it's like, I'm kind of glazed over at this point on them.

Same thing with a Toyota Prius.

Yeah.

You know, they're used in, I know, a lot of people.

Old-shape though, right?

I had the Toyota Prius, old-shape.

Yeah, the old-shape.

Not when you want to buy cool.

No, the old-shape.

It doesn't drive cool though, that's the only problem.

Well, yeah.

And Ford Fusion.

Like, oh, that's a good one.

That is just a car.

Yeah.

Right?

They're fine.

I think that's what it is.

Like, they're fine.

But they're not super exciting, engaging.

You know, grab your attention and just like, yeah.

So that's what I got.

I think these would all be good first cars for our soon to be

16-year-old, 13-year-olds too, right?

Because these are not cars an enthusiast would ever go for, right?

And I'm going to tell you right now, there's one car we all have.

That was, it was funny when I was choosing.

I was like, I have a feeling we're all going to,

there's going to be one that we have all chosen.

So, yeah.

Shall we keep going and find out?

Those are good, because you've got a Prius too,

it sounds like Dan.

Yeah, but yeah, the old Prius, right?

The old Prius.

Yeah, did you have one?

Do you remember the, yeah, I've got, I said the Toyota Prius.

Maybe this is an obvious one, but any year, any generation,

any trim level, to me it's the car for people who don't care

about cars.

There's no joy in the drive.

They don't excel at anything other than maybe fuel efficiency.

Though the latest iteration does look pretty good.

There's a reason the Prius is the car that more often than not

shows up when you order an Uber.

Yes.

And that's, that's the Prius, right?

And well, and, and we have a ton of taxi Priuses up here too.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I guess.

So this was going to be a nine car list.

And now it's a seven car list, because we all,

let's see where Ryan's going, Nick.

Yeah, that's true.

Got me to go.

Right.

The Prius is just so obvious.

And, and, and then I went with the Honda CR-V, the official vehicle

of mothers-in-law everywhere.

Tell me I'm wrong.

And you know, I mean, the last generation had pretty good cars,

right? But they're just, you know, they're just, they're just cars.

Well, they're functional.

They're functional.

There's a reason mothers-in-law buy them and drive them.

And that's hilarious.

Back up into me in parking lots, but the third one is a car much like,

much like, you know, we talked about the worst cars we've ever driven.

And the Chevy Malibu came up for me.

Dang.

Shock.

I almost put that one on my list.

Okay. Well, I didn't, I didn't pick it.

I didn't pick it, but this one has a lot of parallels, almost as long

in the tooth.

It's a car that had to make sure it was still being sold.

But is, you talk about average middle America, you know, Iowa, you know,

sitting in the left lane, it's the Chrysler Pacifica slash Voyager.

I didn't know that they made a Voyager.

They brought the name back, I think for the lesser, you know, the,

I don't know, the less upscale one lower trim level or whatever.

So is it a, is it still a Plymouth Voyager?

Or is it a Chrysler?

No, it's a Chrysler.

And, and of course, you know, if you go to Chrysler.com, there is but one

vehicle and that is the minivan.

But now there are but two vehicles because they call it Tudor for things,

right?

Depending on, you know, whether you're in the position to lay out 40,000 or 45,000,

right?

The town and country incidentally is gone.

That's come up a couple of times in conversation.

The town and country is no more.

But this is a car.

It'll be back.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, I always slap a little wood grain vinyl on a car.

I call it a day, right?

It's the pause of an era.

Which by the way, speaking of our buddy, Jorge, he heard our last, our last episode

and he said his mom had a town and country.

And as Jorge said, that thing slapped.

And I told him, Jorge, that was just the vinyl flapping in the wind.

So how about this week?

We need to come up with a list of cars that slap.

We're going to do that.

My daughter, your daughter cringing, cringing right now.

We're going to countermand all of the slang is no longer in use,

really show our age and use it incorrectly and just make our kids

print as much as possible.

That's it.

I have to add when I, you know, they're big in Iowa, these things, right?

And I did a whole thing for auto blog about how, you know,

usually when there's a car in the passing lane in Iowa, it's one of these things.

Well, the last time I was there, I saw one being driven by the Iowa Department of

Corrections as a prisoner transport vehicle.

And, you know, and then going right past it was like a family in their, you know,

their minivan.

And it's just, it's like, yeah, it's kind of what it is, right?

Transport prisoners or your kids, you know, Costco, the county jail, you know, you're good.

It's just kind of six to one, half a dozen of the other.

But I looked it up and I was shocked to find out that it actually has a V six with 286 horsepower.

That is the one engine option, which isn't terrible in a world of 2.0 turbos.

This thing actually has a, an honest to God Chrysler V six that, uh, that pumps up pretty

decent power.

So, so now you know, but, uh,

I feel like there's a lot of advertising potential there.

I mean, look at the versatility, family cars, prisoners, you name it,

you know, the Pacifica slash Voyager has got it covered.

You got bodies to shuttle around.

But you know, I had one on, go ahead.

Sorry, it's, I was just going to say, talk about an engine that's never going to be

used for what it was designed for.

You know?

Yeah.

It's putting indicators on a BMW.

Zing.

Yeah.

Uh, I did have an honorable mention.

People movers.

Yeah.

Here we go.

What's your honorable mention?

The Tesla model three, but specifically the single motor car.

Um, you know, I, uh, I used to work for a big accounting firm, uh, and that was the

car that I used to see a lot of in the parking lot, uh, terrible car for terrible people.

And I'll leave it at that.

And it starts the single engine one.

Single.

The single engine one.

You heard it here.

Also, can I just say, uh, I don't think I ever expected to hear the phrase big in Iowa.

Yeah.

That car show, big in Iowa.

Not anymore.

Yeah.

Is Iowa famous for potatoes or did they make that up?

Corn.

They're famous for corn.

Yeah.

And sitting in the passing lane.

Yeah.

Who makes the potato sandwich?

Idaho.

It's Idaho.

Idaho.

The other I state.

Yeah.

In the morning.

What?

It's probably California anymore to be honest, right?

So it's.

Who knows?

Um, so I had the, uh, I had the Prius.

Do we think that next year, Haggerty, we're bringing out in the bull market,

the mid market and the bull.

They're going to steal a lot of ideas.

These kids might be onto something.

The Aztec pretty mid, right?

Oh, absolutely.

Spectacular.

Currently on the market, but you know, it's retro cool now.

There was no, yeah, I think it's way better than mid.

Also, I have to say that.

I'm contractually obligated to say that it's spectacular.

Okay.

It was part of the, uh, the vows.

No reason.

This man and agree.

Do you promise to.

It's just like a hostage video.

Is that a cinderblock wall behind you?

And you don't say the right thing.

I love the Pontiac Aztec.

Wow.

Are you blinking in Morse code currently?

Marriage really changes the person, doesn't it?

I'm also blinking how much I love the Aztec.

Just to make sure my bases are covered.

Charlie.

And then I had the Malibu.

What's next?

The Malibu.

Okay.

That's, yeah.

That's there.

Yeah.

That exists in the mid.

What is the Chrysler that was like a,

it was round at the back and they did a convertible,

but not a convertible.

Oh, the Sebring.

Sebring?

Yeah.

The Chrysler.

Yeah.

The Chrysler.

The Sebring.

There's another mid.

Yeah.

There was the, for the Avenger?

No.

I mean, all these cars are qualified.

We were like, we're, you know, we're splitting here.

Turns out we have a pretty long list.

Yeah.

But it's interesting that a lot of them are either Japanese or American.

Yeah.

Isn't it?

I know that like, you know, look at the America, for example,

then a lot of their business is scale.

So they're creating cars for scale, right?

Selling lots of them.

But it's interesting that it was those two.

Yeah.

They kind of landed majority in those two regions.

Yeah.

You want one more Japanese one.

The RAV4 could have been on there too.

I almost had the RAV4.

Yeah.

That was on the list, but no, not a new one.

Okay.

Yeah.

Though they made a six cylinder with, I think, 270 horsepower for just a year or two,

several generations back that was crazy quickly.

Like zero to 16, like 5.4 seconds.

Look it up.

It's a real thing.

So, now you know.

Now you know.

Bull market next year.

I was talking to someone who said that they leased a RAV4,

and for a while they did an all-electric version.

I don't know if you guys knew that.

I think I did know that.

Like early on, right?

It was like one of the first EVs.

It was like 300 bucks a month to lease it.

Uh-huh, uh-huh.

But it had like, I think a range of 90 miles or something.

150 miles.

150.

Okay.

Yeah.

The same owners that now have the hydrogen cars out in California.

That's right.

They moved on to the Mirai.

Against the Mirai owners got together and were suing,

because there was nowhere to actually fuel the cars.

Or the infrastructure did not.

It was not built out as they were told that it would be.

Right.

So, these were hydrogen cars.

Right.

Yeah.

There was one station in Orange County that I knew about.

Because I knew I had family friends that bought one.

And I remember saying, like, that's great,

but where do you get hydrogen?

And there was actually a station not that far away.

But I think it was just the one.

You could do a meet and greet for the Mirai owners club there, couldn't you?

Oh, the humanity.

We're all there anyway.

Let's call it a meet and greet.

A station.

Somebody bring donuts.

Yeah.

You didn't get my bad hydrogen joke.

Come on.

What was it?

Oh, wait. Say it again.

I said, oh, the humanity.

Oh, nice.

That's a nice one.

You have to repeat yourself.

But no, no, we were just talking over you.

Pryor's taxi for Ryan, I think.

Let's get him one of it.

You know what I saw?

I posted this to Instagram.

I saw a street parked checker cab in Denver the other day.

Really?

So cool to see.

Yeah.

I haven't seen one of those in years,

but I'm just old enough to remember riding in, you know, one or two as a kid.

Right.

And they're huge.

They're long.

They've got the chum seats.

It was just the last thing I expected to see in Denver,

parked in the snow on the side of the street.

But apparently there's an outfit.

It's called denverchecker.com,

and you can rent it for events and things.

So I'm thinking the next time you two are in town.

Pike's Peak.

Let's take it.

A bad bit of article.

But can you nap in the back of it, though?

You can do whatever.

Yeah, but they got me.

Breakfast back there.

It's huge.

We do our podcast back there.

I mean, wow.

You know, it's...

Podcasting from the checker cab.

From the checker cab.

Yeah, it's a when I come in thing.

Yeah, that's really funny.

That's cool.

So have we completely slowed to the mid list now?

Yeah, so how many cars did we end up with?

So I had model Tesla Model 3 single motor.

The Toyota Prius, the old body and the Ford Fusion.

And then Ryan, you had...

I had the Chrysler Pacifica and the CR-V, but that Ford Fusion.

That might be the most mid of the mid, even though only you had it.

And then, Dan, you had the Prius.

You had the...

Malibu.

Malibu and the...

The Chrysler Seabring.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, that's pretty mid.

I just saw one of those, actually.

I hadn't seen one in years.

And I saw one on the road.

It's crazy.

Again, talk about a highly inappropriately named vehicle.

The Seabring, but that's a thing they do.

It's all in the contrast, right?

So, okay, so we had seven total.

That's a pretty fun list.

Yeah, not as fun as the worst cars we've ever driven,

but it's amazing how we all kind of tuned in on the same kind of thing.

We all understood the assignment for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

That's really funny.

Next week, your favorite 67 car.

You joke, but I've just interviewed someone for a different podcast

and they had a 67 Al Camino.

I kid you not.

Is it in original condition?

Is it restored?

Like, what's the story?

They have owned it for 59 years.

Oh, wow.

Okay, yeah.

It's been a long time for that podcast to come in soon.

But it was the way that this gentleman, I guess, is an elderly gentleman

and he kept saying 67 and he knew what it was all about.

Shark jumped.

All right.

Yeah, that's how you know the kids are definitely not saying it anymore.

That is really funny.

I love it.

What else you guys got?

Well, Consumer Reports brought out their car.

Reliability list, right?

That's right.

And I wondered if you guys actually took Consumer Reports with a pen yourself

or whether you would actually consult them.

Like, would they have any influence if you were to buy a car?

Would you look at that list?

I would.

I mean, I have in the past.

And I think it's one of many factors when you're buying a car,

especially because a lot of times you know you need a certain type of car.

So you can't just go to the list and go like, what's the most reliable?

And I'll just get that.

But I've definitely used it to help decide when you know you need a pickup truck or whatever,

then how are they rating the pickup trucks to decide for that ask, basically.

I would challenge you guys in terms of knowing what the list is now

and knowing what's in the last place before you saw that list.

Would you have got one and would you still get one?

Yes.

So it's the last place.

Let's define this.

Last place, Rivian.

Yeah, it's a bit of a shocker.

Yeah, yeah.

I've never owned a Rivian, but everyone I know that has owned one or owns one seems to love it.

So, you know, a bit of a, you know, a bit of a surprise.

You know, it's a young company, but.

Yeah, have you guys, have either of you ever known anybody who has had issues?

Because they are more prevalent now.

Everybody that I know, same thing, loves them.

I was really impressed with the quality, you know, the fit and finish.

So I was very surprised to see it at the bottom of the list.

Do you wonder if it's mostly software stuff?

That would make sense.

Which software stuff that gets sorted out, but it isn't like, you know,

we're not talking about like, you know, dry things are breaking.

Like dry things are breaking, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I know they do updates without telling the owners.

So I think their model is that they send engineers out to your cars, right?

Okay.

Yeah.

And they can do changes to the car.

And I think it's part of the contract.

They don't have to tell you what they've done.

So, you know, they do their updates too.

So you just wake up and the software updated.

Yeah.

But it is weird.

Like no one I know is ever complained about Rivian reliability.

No.

And yet this list, which they polled over 300,000 people.

Yeah.

So I guess it has some level of statistical significance.

Sure, sure, sure.

I think there are still a lot of people that look to consumer reports.

I think to this day, they don't take anything from the companies, right?

They review.

I think they buy all the vehicles and all that.

I think there's something to that.

Plus, I like circles.

They've got that system, you know?

Yeah.

You know, that kind of tells me what I need to know.

But, you know, I have, I will say, I have referred to consumer reports.

And now we've got to reach out to like Molly's cousin to get his login

because we don't like pay for the subscription

and you have to be a member to look at this stuff, right?

But it's a family share plan is what you're saying.

That's right.

You know, at least till they find us out like Netflix.

But, you know, I would go there and I have for like washing machines

and that kind of thing.

But maybe this, well, I was going to say the stuff that doesn't have

an enthusiast bent, but we'll look up washing machine collectors on YouTube

because they're out there too.

You know, people have basements full of them

and they have parties and they wash and go around.

So there's an enthusiast scene for washing machines too.

But, you know, to me, a car is such an emotional purchase, right?

So I think to your point, it would be one, one element of, you know,

but I want to hear, I want to hear from someone who's driven the car

and, you know, all that as well.

If you're listening and you've had a bad Rivian experience, let us know.

Yeah.

I'm really curious because like you said, Dan, I mean, they do aggregate

a lot of information, but I wondered, you know, briefly, like, is it bad data?

Just because you would think with the number of people that have them

at this point, you would have started to hear stories about that.

So yeah.

Where's Tesla on this list?

Tesla is the most direct competitor in the top 10, which is good for them, right?

You hear more negative press around them.

Yeah, yeah.

I was going to say, that's shocking.

That's the technology control.

And I think we have to give the disclaimer here that there were some models,

some brands that were excluded, right, just out of numbers, right?

So Alfa Romeo was not on this list, nor was Dodge, Fiat, Infinity, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lucid,

Maserati, Mini, Mitsubishi, Polestar, and Porsche.

So I'm guessing had those been included, maybe things would have shifted around a little bit.

Also, interestingly, both of the cars I own didn't make the list at all.

So that means you're never going to have an issue.

That's what that means.

They're just going to work forever.

You know, it's interesting.

Dodge isn't on there, but Ram is, which is one of the, you know, family brands, I guess.

Yeah, Galantis, Grapecar, isn't it?

Yeah.

Did not sell enough Dodges?

That's kind of crazy.

That's in some company, some much more sort of obscure company.

That's, right.

It's interesting that Ram made it, but Dodge didn't.

Yeah, I guess that's all.

Top five for our Japanese tracks with his German.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And isn't there at number 10?

Yeah, that's a little bit of a surprise.

I don't see Hyundai.

There are 12, kind of right in the middle.

To clear me, this was, this survey was done before our friends in Porsche, Colorado Springs,

bought their car.

That's, that's true.

Also, Mercedes Benz, number 19, one above Lincoln.

Right.

So, you know, there was a time that Mercedes Benz would have been number one done and done,

you know, and that's obviously no longer the case.

Interesting.

Again, what are the parameters?

What are we, what are we measuring here?

You know, but interesting nonetheless.

It's always interesting to look at that.

I still like Rivian.

Yeah, I do buy a Rivian.

Absolutely.

When that new was the R3, the little launch you're looking with back.

Yeah, it's like two years out, isn't it?

I think there's one in between that's coming out this year.

Yeah, this is the smaller SUV.

The two, right?

Yeah.

It's an interesting year, isn't it?

For an electric SUV, you've got that, you've got a scout.

Yeah.

Oh, God, I love the scouts.

Those are just, those are cool too.

We got to see those up close at the auto show,

and it was so much bigger than I expected.

But yeah, yeah.

Really cool.

They've got their little engines on them, haven't they?

So you can, if you've got an emergency, you can still use gas.

That's right.

Which I love the idea of.

You could use that.

So I think you get like 500 miles range acclaimed with a tank.

And yeah, so it sounds like a really,

it sounds like engineers have gone to that problem and solved it, right?

What's the direct competitors?

I guess it's Rivian.

I think Rivian is, yeah.

I mean, with all the, you know, the things that slide out,

and this and that, and, and, and, well, maybe that's it.

Have you seen the Rivian trucks?

So you know the Rivian trucks have got a cargo hold that goes through the middle?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So there's an option that you can get, which is a kitchen.

That's right.

Yeah, that slides out of there.

How cool is that?

But this is what I'm thinking.

Like what if one of the utensils didn't work right?

Does this land you on consumer reports on the, on the list of, you know?

Right.

Like what's the, what's the threshold to be considered reliable or unreliable?

I mean, there's all this bad data.

More right that can go wrong on a car that's complicated, right?

Right.

Yeah.

People used to say, oh, I don't want to buy the electric, you know, windows,

or that's one more thing to break.

Or yeah, automatic seats.

Well, it's another mode that could break down.

Yeah.

I'm going to enjoy moving myself back and forth easily and not worry about it.

Yeah.

No, that's funny.

Consumer reports for the wind.

So yeah, what have we got coming up?

Was there much coming up?

The rain has returned here.

So the driving days may be few and far between again, going forward for a bit.

So we'll see.

Yeah, yeah.

What about you guys?

I'm supposed to do ice racing?

Up in Georgetown.

So up in the mountains a little bit from Denver.

I guess it depends on whether the ice will be icy.

It depends on what the weather does.

But I'm looking forward to that.

Shout out to front of the show, Darryl Vaughn.

If you listened back as far as the steering committee,

he was a sponsor for a long time.

He was a realtor that we would always talk about.

And he picked up a second gen MR2.

It was the car he wanted as a kid.

And he's going to throw some snow tires in that thing.

And we're going to go drive that around a frozen lake.

So that should be fun.

That's amazing.

I can't wait to see that.

Is this legal ice racing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is like a structured event.

And I think it's actually a reservoir.

So if you do fall through, I think it's only about 20 feet deep.

So they can probably recover you.

It's ice cold water, Ryan.

It's 20 feet deep.

It doesn't matter if it's 10 feet deep.

And I like they can probably recover you.

They can probably.

Yeah, you know, it's perfect.

They're just pulling out a barky ice cube at this point.

Die.

He died doing what he loved.

Well, that sounds like a lot of fun.

Yeah.

What about you?

I got a couple of test drives next week,

but I can't talk about it yet.

But yeah, I got an interesting film shoot next week.

So we'll see.

How that goes.

Drag strip and lots of different cars of different types.

So when I can talk about it, I will,

but it may not be for a few weeks.

It's embargoed.

We're waiting with baited breath for the embargo to lift,

so you can share this.

I think that's a show, isn't it, guys?

I think it might just might be.

Yeah.

So what is the phrase, the pace?

That is, remember, always be driving.

And go drive for me since I can't right now.

Yeah.

If you're not in the Pacific Northwest, take a drive for Lindsay.

And if you're in Colorado, do some ice with Ryan.

And if you're in California, yeah, come hang out.

It's, I'm hoping, hopefully going to catch up with Jay Ryan soon.

He's back in town.

Yes.

Yeah.

I just saw that there's another episode of the podcast,

so we'll have to catch up.

I'm sure he's talking about the tour.

Yeah.

Let's get him until next week.

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