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Lyn Woodward Rides Again. Part 1

Lyn Woodward Rides Again. Part 1

That Car Show Jul 10, 2026 65 min
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About this episode

Kelly Blue Book’s Lynn Woodward returns for a long, laugh-heavy chat about what makes cars worth the hype—and what doesn’t. The crew debates the new Jeep Cherokee, praising the surprisingly upscale-feeling base interior while questioning how it drives in sport mode, including a transmission calibration issue Lynn flagged to engineers. They also explore why Toyota’s no-nonsense reliability keeps the fifth-gen 4Runner winning, compare it with Land Cruiser, Bronco, and Wrangler tradeoffs, and touch on other recent news and oddities.

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Jeep Cherokee

"...r ratings. We have mixed opinions on the new Jeep Cherokee. Lynn shares her only unique take on Slate."

The Jeep Cherokee is an SUV, meaning it’s a taller vehicle meant for both city driving and light off-road use. People often have different opinions about it because different model years and versions can feel and perform differently. A podcast might cover it when reviewing how the latest one stacks up.

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4Runner Forerunners

"...nique take on Slate. We give the fifth generation forerunners some love, celebrate the surprise of the year in ..."

The 4Runner is a larger SUV that’s designed to handle rougher roads and outdoor trips. It’s known for being tough and practical for long-term use. When a podcast mentions the fifth generation, it’s usually referring to a specific set of years and how that version stands out.

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Subaru Trailseeker

"... celebrate the surprise of the year in the Subaru Trailseeker in Bimone. How poor Polestar got the showtime at ..."

The Subaru Trailseeker is a version of the Subaru Outback that’s meant for people who want a more outdoorsy setup. It’s still a regular wagon-style car, but with extra features and styling for trips. It gets called a “surprise” when someone thinks it’s a better pick than expected.

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Aston Martin DB 12 S

"There's piano black on the on the center console [182.1s] of Aston Martin DB 12 S. [186.2s] There's not a stitch of piano."

The Aston Martin DB 12 S is a luxury sports car from Aston Martin. The hosts are talking about the center console trim—“piano black” is a shiny black finish that looks expensive and stands out in the cabin.

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piano black

"There's piano black on the on the center console [182.1s] of Aston Martin DB 12 S. [186.2s] There's not a stitch of piano."

“Piano black” is a very shiny black interior trim. It looks upscale, but it can get smudges and marks pretty easily compared to less glossy finishes.

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Jeep Grand Cherokee

"No, I came very close in high school to a grand Cherokee. [207.7s] Gray with a boyfriend who had a two door sport. [211.7s] The two door sport. Oh, yeah. Yeah. [214.1s] Was it a manual in the."

The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a popular SUV model from Jeep. In this conversation it’s used as a reference because the hosts are comparing interior look and materials to other cars.

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sport mode

"So I had it in sport mode and I was going up a hill up this up. [284.3s] The the snake on Mulholland."

Sport mode is a setting that makes the car feel more eager. It usually changes how quickly it responds and how it shifts when you’re driving harder.

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calibration of the gearing

"Oh, yeah, snake in sport mode and trying to the calibration of the gearing [296.7s] on the transmission, it wasn't in manual."

This is about how the car decides what gear to use and when to change gears. The speaker is saying the way it was set up didn’t feel right to them.

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transmission

"on the transmission, it wasn't in manual. [301.3s] I just left it in automatic the way that the lag was combined with the gear"

The transmission is what changes the gears in the car. The speaker is talking about how the automatic shifting felt while they were driving up a hill.

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lag

"[301.3s] I just left it in automatic the way that the lag was combined with the gear [307.8s] selection and the and how high was revving and where it was shifting gears."

Lag means there’s a delay between your foot going down and the car actually pulling. The speaker thinks the delay was connected to the way the car was shifting.

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powertrain

"I can't speak to the reliability of those things. There's a brand new powertrain, you know, that there is to consider."

A powertrain is the car’s “moving system.” It includes the engine (or motor) and the parts that send power to the wheels, so it strongly affects how the car drives and how dependable it is.

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Jeep Wrangler

"Like so many things right now at the Jeep Wrangler, they've recalled every Jeep Wrangler. Have you heard about this?"

The Jeep Wrangler is a popular off-road SUV. Here, they’re talking about recalls—meaning the manufacturer has to fix a problem on some Wranglers.

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push for trying to really become more efficient

"there's been this push for trying to really become more efficient and like really trying to sort of push that that envelope a lot."

This refers to automakers’ drive to improve fuel economy and reduce emissions, often through downsizing, turbocharging, and other efficiency-focused engineering. The segment argues that pushing these limits can increase development and validation complexity, which can lead to recalls if issues slip through.

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turbos

"there's been this push for trying to really become more efficient... But I think that when you have those turbos and and display it like the displacement"

A turbo is a device that helps the engine make more power by pushing extra air into it. It can be great for performance, but it also adds complexity that engineers have to get right.

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displacement

"and and display it like the displacement and you're trying to like force like a lot of power"

Displacement is basically how big the engine is internally—how much space the pistons move through. Smaller displacement engines are common today, often paired with turbos to keep power up.

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fifth gen forerunner

"but he said one of the greatest things on that I [582.9s] could ever hear because I have a fifth gen forerunner and they were talking about [586.5s] what is the best, like, what are the best like SUVs to have?"

The Toyota 4Runner is a tough, off-road SUV built on a sturdy frame. “Fifth gen” just means the newer version of that model, and the speaker is saying it’s the best SUV they’ve seen.

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Body on frame

"It's funny. I mean, there's there's so many things now you put me on the spot. [623.7s] Body on frame stuff. [625.2s] I mean, there's just not a whole lot left."

“Body on frame” means the car’s body sits on a separate heavy-duty frame. It’s a common design for trucks and rugged SUVs because it’s built to handle rough roads and tougher use.

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Toyota Land Cruiser

"So the forerunner is really the forerunner. [626.9s] So the forerunner is really the forerunner. [629.3s] The Land Cruiser to me are really are really kind of the the mainstays."

The Toyota Land Cruiser is a long-running, body-on-frame SUV famous for durability and off-road capability. Here, the speaker calls it a “mainstay” and contrasts it with the 4Runner, suggesting it fits a different kind of buyer who wants a more sophisticated take on rugged use.

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overlanding

"general aura is, you know, a little more overlanding than it is sort of, you know, ruggedness, I'm more of a Land Cruiser person."

Overlanding means taking long trips with your vehicle, usually to remote places, and being able to camp or travel self-sufficiently. It’s less about looking tough and more about being practical for the whole journey.

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Ford Bronco I

"You know, Ford Bronco, I think, has a lot of really good things going for it. To me, on-road drivability is exceptional when it comes to that kind of vehicle. Off-road, it's also tremendous. It has a lot of great features. My only issue with it is build quality and interior noise."

The Ford Bronco is an SUV meant to handle both city driving and off-road trails. The host likes how it drives on the road and off-road, but worries it may get noisy or start rattling over time.

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on-road drivability

"To me, on-road drivability is exceptional when it comes to that kind of vehicle. Off-road, it's also tremendous."

On-road drivability is how good the car feels when you’re driving on regular roads. The host is saying the Bronco is especially easy and pleasant to drive on pavement.

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interior noise

"My only issue with it is build quality and interior noise. It's very loud in there. I don't know how long it will take for things to start rattling and making,"

Interior noise is the annoying sound you hear inside the car, like rattles or wind noise. The host is worried that after rough off-road use, parts might start coming loose and making more noise.

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build quality

"My only issue with it is build quality and interior noise. It's very loud in there. I don't know how long it will take for things to start rattling and making,"

Build quality means how solidly the car is put together. If it’s not great, you can get rattles and loose parts, especially after rough driving.

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Defender Octa

"If money was no object and people wanted a car in that category, [785.6s] I would unequivocally say the Defender Octa. [791.4s] Yes, I second this choice."

The Defender Octa is a special, higher-performance version of the Land Rover Defender. It’s meant for people who want a serious off-road vehicle, and the hosts are saying it would be their top choice if cost and repairs weren’t a concern.

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British bad teeth

"You know, we always, it's like British bad teeth. [809.9s] You know, we always make the funny joke of like, oh,"

“British bad teeth” is an old-style joke that means “there’s a stereotype that this group has a problem.” In this segment, they use it to talk about the common (and often exaggerated) idea that certain cars—especially British ones—have reliability issues.

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suspension

"I love the sensation of that, of that suspension, though. I just felt like I was spinning around at top in that. OK, I was like, this is like a mid-engine sports car feeling to me."

Suspension is what helps the car ride over bumps and rough ground. Good suspension keeps the tires planted and makes the ride feel smooth and controlled.

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top

"I love the sensation of that, of that suspension, though. I just felt like I was spinning around at top in that. OK, I was like, this is like a mid-engine sports car feeling to me."

Here, “top” likely means the car is open—like driving with the roof down. With the roof gone, you feel more of the wind and movement.

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mid-engine sports car feeling

"OK, I was like, this is like a mid-engine sports car feeling to me. I was so crazy."

A mid-engine car has its engine placed near the middle of the car. Because of that, the car often feels more balanced and “connected” when you turn or drive quickly.

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Encino

"[1146.1s] But, you know, Lindsay and I at least grew up, you know, when when Land Rover [1150.1s] dealerships had like the technical courses at every dealership and this kind of. [1154.2s] They had one in Encino that I loved."

Encino is a neighborhood in Los Angeles. The speaker is recalling that a Land Rover dealership there had training courses they really enjoyed.

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Camel Trophy

"[1204.2s] And the thing that I love about this Defender Trophy [1208.4s] challenge that they're doing, which is definitely the next iteration of Camel [1212.1s] Trophy is they really are leaning back into that part of their heritage,"

The Camel Trophy was a well-known off-road adventure event. It’s remembered for tough routes and teamwork, and the hosts are saying Land Rover is bringing that spirit back.

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highly customizable

"But the troupies, those things, they're highly customizable. So you can they come gutted on the inside. You can put as many rows of seats in there as you want."

They mean these safari vehicles can be modified a lot. People can change how many seats they have and how the inside is laid out for different passenger groups.

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GMC Safari

"...arious sleeping arrangements. And then we had our safari truck and we did we did hire a guide. And I thoug..."

The GMC Safari is a large van made to carry people and gear, often for family trips. Because it has lots of space, it can be set up for road trips and camping-style use. That’s why it might come up in a story about “sleeping arrangements” and travel.

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transport truck

"we would just leave the transport truck there. We could put six people into the safari truck."

A transport truck is basically a work vehicle for getting people or supplies from one place to another. In this story, they left it behind while using the safari truck to go see animals.

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re-body the old chassis

"our guide, he's so smart, he said, sometimes they just re-body the old chassis. Don't make it look like it's a new truck, but it's not a new truck."

It means they keep the truck’s main frame underneath, but put a different outer body on it. So it can look newer, but a lot of the important stuff underneath is still old.

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Le Mans

"Emmy was Emmy was the first person that I saw when I landed in Paris for Le Mans last year."

Le Mans is one of the biggest long-distance race events in the world, held in France. People who talk about it are usually into serious racing.

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gravelly dirt roads

"It was what you would expect. Long kind of, you know, gravelly dirt roads."

It means the road wasn’t paved—more like loose rock and dirt. That kind of surface makes tires slip more easily and the car can feel bumpy.

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Baja driving

"And it was just kind of fun like Baja driving, which is my favorite kind of driving."

“Baja driving” is off-road driving over rough, bumpy terrain—like the famous Baja races. It’s about keeping control on loose dirt and rocks, where the car bounces and grip changes a lot.

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rattly

"our vehicles were the older variety Truby, and so they were kind of rattly and and a little bit, you know, by the end of it, you're sort of like, I've got bruises all over me."

“Rattly” means the car makes a lot of vibrating or shaking noises. On bumpy roads, older cars can feel looser and rattle more.

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Renault Wind

"... you have that safari tent open and you just, the wind is in your hair and you're just looking at, you'r..."

The Renault Wind is a small car that’s meant to feel more open to the air, like a convertible. When the top is open, you can feel the wind while driving. That’s likely what the podcast is describing with the “wind in your hair” moment.

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Cadillac Lyric

"Please, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. The lyric is just like for once in my life, like give me wh..."

The Cadillac Lyriq is an electric SUV, which means it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s a luxury vehicle, so it’s designed to feel comfortable and upscale. The podcast is reacting to it as a notable option that stands out.

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camber

"And there were all kinds of little modded things with like the tiny little wheels that have a little camber on them and like have a kind of a coffee can muffler."

Camber is how much a tire is tilted inward or outward. Some car owners change it to help handling in turns, and others do it mainly for the look.

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coffee can muffler

"that have a little camber on them and like have a kind of a coffee can muffler."

A “coffee can muffler” is a nickname for a small, round muffler. People use it when the exhaust looks like a can and often sounds louder than stock.

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JDM cars

"Those kind of non-descript JDM cars that you're like, I don't know enough to know."

JDM means “Japanese Domestic Market.” It’s a way people talk about Japanese cars that were made for the Japanese market, and the culture of modifying and importing them.

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car culture

"But it was really neat to see that there was still even in Arusha, there was a look like car culture, it was that part was really cool, too."

Car culture just means people in an area are really into cars. That can show up as local car meets, custom builds, and people talking about what they drive.

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TSD

"And then there was a track day where we did some TSD on track, which was so much fun."

TSD means Time-Speed-Distance. It’s a rally style where you’re supposed to hit specific timing targets for certain stretches of road, not just drive fast.

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road rally

"This is like a road rally."

A road rally is an event where you drive a planned route and follow the rules. It’s usually about doing it correctly and consistently, not just racing to the finish.

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Golden Gate Bridge

"But this thing was we started up. We started up at the Golden Gate Bridge."

The Golden Gate Bridge is the famous bridge in San Francisco. Starting a drive there usually means the event begins with a big, scenic landmark and a Bay Area route.

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Mendocino

"And we drove from there up some of the most amazing roads up to Mendocino."

Mendocino is a scenic part of Northern California on the coast. People like driving there because the roads are beautiful and twisty.

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Sonoma Raceway

"And then we went from there over to Sonoma and we ended on Sonoma Raceway."

Sonoma Raceway is a famous race track in California. It has challenging turns and hills, so driving there is a big deal for track enthusiasts.

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Sears Point

"I'll always think of it as Sears Point just because when I was living up there, Sears, Sears Point, but."

Sears Point is an older name people used for the same track that’s now called Sonoma Raceway. It’s basically the track’s previous identity.

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accuracy on the track

"We came in second overall on accuracy on the track, which I don't even have a"

In rally-style events, “accuracy” usually refers to how precisely you follow the required timing/speed/distance targets rather than how fast you can lap. The speaker’s “second overall on accuracy” suggests scoring based on meeting the event’s exact schedule.

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speedo

"speedo on my car that works how we managed to do that."

“Speedo” means the speedometer—the dashboard gauge that tells you how fast you’re going. If it works, it’s showing your speed properly.

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horn

"So at one point by the last day, every time I turned left, the horn would honk. Oh, really? So I had to pull the horn like I had to disconnect the horn."

The horn is the sound-maker you press to warn other drivers. Here, it was going off by itself when the car turned left, so they had to disable it.

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windshield wiper

"when I first walked, went up there, I had one windshield wiper that worked. And then this one was like. It was sort of like like it was like a lame thing by the end of it. And neither of them worked. They were just like and then they broke. So I had no windshield wipers."

Windshield wipers are the blades that wipe the front windshield so you can see. In this case, one wiper worked briefly, and then both failed so they had no wipers.

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Mud Fest

"And I was at an event in the Pacific Northwest called Mud Fest and Scott Brown from Stilentus was there and he knows Sarah and he had helped get her into the Pacifica for the rally."

Mud Fest is the event the hosts are talking about. It’s where they saw the rally setup and learned more about the Pacifica they later drove.

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Pacific Northwest

"And I was at an event in the Pacific Northwest called Mud Fest and Scott Brown from Stilentus was there and he knows Sarah and he had helped get her into the Pacifica for the rally."

The Pacific Northwest is a region in the U.S. The hosts mention it to say where the event happened, which matters because weather and terrain affect how vehicles perform.

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Denver press fleet

"That's amazing. That green Pacifica they were in ended up in the Denver press fleet. And so we actually got to drive that same Pacifica..."

A press fleet is a group of cars that the media gets to drive. The speaker is saying that the same Pacifica later became one of the cars available to reporters in the Denver area.

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plug-in hybrid

"More one of the more underrated vehicles, not just minivans, but one of the most underrated vehicles, the plug-in hybrid is even better because you can get some crazy, crazy gas mileage in that thing."

A plug-in hybrid is a car that uses both gas and electricity. You can charge it from a plug, and it can drive on electricity for a while before switching to gas.

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Chrysler Pacifica plug-in hybrid

"I had a long term I had a long term car my first year at Kelly Blue Book, a long term Pacifica plug-in hybrid. I at first I was like, oh, thanks, guys, give the new girl the fucking minivan."

The Chrysler Pacifica plug-in hybrid is a minivan that can run on electricity for a limited distance, then uses gas when the battery runs low. Because the electric motor gives quick power, it can feel responsive, and it can also be very efficient if you charge it regularly.

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instant torque

"You kind of haul some butt in that when you're off the line because you've got a lot of instant torque there working with you."

Instant torque means the car can give you strong pulling power right away. Electric motors can do this quickly, so the car feels responsive when you start moving.

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hyper mile

"I could hyper mile that thing like crazy. I mean, there was one time I got a thousand miles because I was trying really hard to see how long I could go before having to fill up the tank."

Hyper-miling is when someone drives in a very fuel-saving way to squeeze the most efficiency out of the car. In this case, the host is saying they tried to stretch the gas and/or electric range as far as possible.

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electric range

"And, you know, if you're a local person, you have, I guess it's what, 33 miles of range of electric range in that in the plug-in motor."

Electric range is how many miles the car can go using electricity alone. After that, it typically switches to using gas to keep you moving.

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RAV four of GR Sport

"Yes, the the the RAV four of GR Sport. I've not driven that."

The Toyota RAV4 GR Sport is a more driver-focused version of the RAV4. It’s meant to feel a bit more sporty, with extra features and tuning compared to the regular model.

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PHEV

"It's it's the PHEV so you can only get it as a PHEV. And it was a blast."

PHEV means a plug-in hybrid. It runs on gas and electricity, and you can charge the battery by plugging it in like an EV.

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Subaru Trail Seeker

"Because I feel like that is even more of a than if you just go in, you know, you're like, yeah, I'm expecting them to be OK and it blows you away. You're like, yeah, but I was already positive about it. If you're skeptical or you don't know what to think and it blows you away. That's an even stronger review, I think. The other thing that I really enjoyed was the Subaru Trail Seeker."

The Subaru Trail Seeker is a Subaru made for outdoor and off-road style driving. It’s meant to be more capable and rugged than a typical commuter, and the host says it was a highlight.

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