Aston Martin Is Broken & the Worst Retro Cars

Hello everybody and welcome back to Switchcast season well it's not season six

anymore that was last week and it's not season seven yet it's like season six

seven I don't even know what that means but I hear the kids are all doing it no

it this is our interim episode I was actually just looking at Lamborghini

400 GT interim at broad arrow that's a car that I really want I don't really

care 350 400 interim whatever I don't know they're so beautiful such a

beautiful body style and it's a tenth of the price of a comparable Ferrari

short wheelbase or whatever anyway welcome back to switchcast season

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you're doing is giving extra time to prepare so you're really just thank you

for taking one for the team Doug Tyler's in the pit still trying to like

torque his wheels fill up his oil makes you like get his car running did I torque

my old filter track waiting for the green flag I gotta call this week story

time I gotta call this week it's a time to drink it I was close close why not

okay what's fueling this podcast fueling it well I am gonna start off with some

lagovulin off from an addition aged in Guinness casks I am on a tear of

finishing bottles that are almost empty so if we don't finish what's here Doug

gets to drink the rest of it oh boy so I don't have to drive I am drinking some

wild turkey anniversary release eight years aged 101 proof nice low proof for

for me and I was brought by our technical advisor Dan and Tower are the real

bourbon experts here I gotta ask a bunch of bourbon questions for my Vin

wiki AMA and I'm like you asking the wrong person I can pretend okay story

time I gotta call this week to do an appraisal I do them occasionally and

initially I said that's a remote appraisal I don't really do those but the guy

just wanted to ask me a couple questions it was a mallet Corvette I'm like oh

okay interesting so Chuck mallet is a tuner mostly GM products in I think

Berea Ohio been around forever he was kind of one of the big three back in

the 90s mallet Lingenfelter and Callaway doing the stroked engines for the

Corvette C5 and they were you know lots of shootouts and stuff like that so

they were all going for the most horsepower and blah blah blah so Chuck had

the mallet 435 package C5 Corvette with a giant hood and some of them had a

tubbed rear end and 12 inch wheels and stuff really really cool build but

anyway this guy has a mallet Corvette it was a 396 cubic inch car not their

standard 383 and he said it's apparently the only one he made in that color and

it's light carmine red oh I was like oh is it a convertible yeah it is 98 one

year only I'm like yeah my language six-speed manual he's got 373 rear end

gears which is what I have in mind but I have the Lingenfelter so and he's got

the oak interior which is what I have and I'm like and the guy's kind of asking

like what should I have this thing insured for because I don't want to

something to happen to it and it be under insured so you know he's got a 98

one year only light carmine red over oak 396 mallet Corvette I've got the

brother from another mother Lingenfelter 383 light carmine red over oak but

mine ironically has mallet wheels so anyway I told him I there's no number

too big yeah it's I've hundred thousand dollars it's priceless it's one of one so

I kind of like initially I was like I don't feel like doing appraisals right

now and so but then when I talked to him I'm like I found my new best friend like

almost want to go to Kentucky to just visit take Gretchen there and be like

that's the cars can kiss silly but the tariffs this week the tariffs that were

instituted last year by the Trump administration were overturned by the

Supreme Court but only some of them only the fentanyl tariffs so I guess not the

reciprocal tariffs not the section 232 tariffs so initially people thought oh

my gosh I'm gonna get a refund for the classic car that I imported well it

doesn't seem like that is actually to be the case because we already tried to

apply through one of our customs brokers that brought in a car and they

clarified the language and said nope doesn't apply because it's not a the

Supreme Court did not cancel the section 232 tariffs which is what classic cars

are imported under but it almost doesn't matter anyway because I was chasing a

bunch of cars in Europe and Canada I'm like oh sweet let's buy them all up now

no tariffs well Trump didn't waste any time in reinstituting a blanket 10%

tariff and then change it to 15% this afternoon so I just not this afternoon

the same afternoon so he's shooting from the hip here and it's really annoying

that it applies to classic cars at all because those have nothing to do with

manufacturing in the current state but whatever frustrating very frustrating

so just always feels like us car people are a market that gets constantly

shafted because we either make a lot of noise if people hate our exhausts or our

racetracks or whatever but it's such a small group or we just get squashed

because we're not big enough to make exceptions for right right I just don't

understand why anything more than five years old of any product of any type is

subject to a tariff it's not competing with new manufacturing I want you to buy

new Doug yeah maybe maybe that's it the money that you spend on a used older

item doesn't go to the companies that the lob that employ the lobbyists that

are talking to the people who make the decisions that's what well then it should

only apply to used items like I don't know that would be doing sales tax and

lack of a sales tax credit on a used car then that pushes you to buy new note

about epic VIN so we've talked about that like supplemental vehicle history

report in the past quite a bit and I wanted to I may have addressed this

before but I don't think I did I realized a couple weeks ago the epic VIN

who we're an affiliate for and you can find our affiliate link in the show

description it's like supplemental vehicle history reports it shows you

different things than car facts does they do not pull from IAAI which is the

insurance auto auctions insurance I don't know what the second eye is for

international but the places that do pull from that currently show up on

Google so epic VIN is not the be all end all for vehicle research but neither is

car facts neither is googling the VIN neither is VIN wiki but you need all of

them in some capacity it's like it's like countermeasures for cannonball and

people are like oh what's one countermeasure that is it I'm like there

is no one like there's some that you need more often and then there's a CB radio

or the police scanner that'll save you like once in 3,000 miles but that

once that it saves you is absolutely worth having it the whole time and so

yes epic VIN doesn't show you everything you need neither does VIN wiki but my

goodness we still use them every time and the times that they do save us by

pulling up some crazy history on a car that doesn't show up on car facts or

Google is like I'm so glad we have this and for the price it's like one fifth of

car facts for like for dealers for an unlimited package so I don't know how

every dealer doesn't like do this extra research beyond car facts but anyway that

was just a side note kind of a disclaimer of you know not everything is

there but it's just an additional tool in the belt which is what we've talked

about all the time is like every thing that you have to buy cars is one tool in

the belt and you need the whole friggin tool belt well and I think a car is such

a complicated thing potentially and there's a lot of and I think the the

outcome if there's a problem is much greater you know if you're buying a I

don't know like a used piece of computer equipment I always go to tech stuff

like if you're buying a used GPU on eBay there's it is it can be a lot of money

there's less stuff that can go wrong and it's probably doesn't really matter if

it's been idled in the cold for you know such and such time that boars aren't

gonna score like there's just less things to screw up and it's a less of a

of a problem if something goes wrong like yes you might be out of thousand

dollars which is a lot of money but on a car doesn't matter if an adult owned a

GPU yeah like that that was I should have just said that but exactly like who

cares you know so definitely don't want one that's been used in the rain though

correct like Corvettes that's that's a big not a good time for GPUs although for

GPUs it doesn't really matter if it's a one-of-one because you put it in a case

and don't look at it so nobody really did checks out your GPU I like when

people check out my GPU okay and our patreon topic for our patrons and if

you're not a patreoner you can join us at patreon.com slash switchcast and our

patreon exclusive topic is cars that look cooler than they are slash look

better than they drive so that'll be a fun fun discussion Aston Martin is

broken but I have an idea on how to fix it why is it broken while we've known has

been broken for a long time in fact I'm not sure that Aston Martin has ever

turned a significant profit was it 2018 was the last year I think they turned a

profit and before that it was like 2010 and they were just constantly

struggling through the decades of their history making beautiful cars but

seemingly never having the money to do it correct so one of the least profitable

overtime companies in the automotive sphere but man have they made beautiful

beautiful cars but right now is a particularly dark time in Aston Martin's

history as they seem to be teetering on the verge of insolvency and ssoreport.com

which is man we quote them quite often really really good analysis of what's

going on with Aston Martin and we won't read the whole article or anything near

that we'll put the link in the bio it's a very very good article lots and lots of

numbers financial what is when you put a bunch of letters together and they

stand for things acronym acronyms thank you yeah I'm terrible at math and

English so anyway the author is is talking about what's wrong with Aston

Martin and their projections for 2025 were way off they projected growth they

projected that they would actually make a profit they projected that their gross

margin would improve that their overall volumes would increase and none of those

things were true the most notable is that they said that their adjusted

EBIT would be positive in fiscal year 2025 EBIT is you know EBIT minus the

duh and I don't think it was positive was it no it was negative 184 million

pounds you see it's like four or five hundred million dollars when I was reading

through that that negative sign was very small and I skipped over it at first

I was like oh hey they're not doing too bad and then the first time I read it

where he first quoted it was in parentheses which I know is financial

speak for negative oh yeah but I thought it was positive and I had to go back and

go whoa whoa that's really really bad so the title of this article is that

they they're hawking the family silver which that is that they sold the rights

to the Aston Martin name to the Aston Martin Formula one team for 50 million

pounds interestingly enough Lance or Lawrence stroll is the owner of both of

those both Aston Martin and the Aston Martin racing team the Aston Martin

racing team has become incredibly valuable since stroll has purchased it so

he's making a fortune on that if you should choose to sell it and Aston

Martin corporate has gone from bad to worse and it's an interesting deal

because they were renting the name for 20 million pounds a year to put Aston

Martin's name on the race cars and now they just bought the rights forever for

50 million so that's kind of an insider deal maybe yeah there's no other way

that that makes sense in my opinion like it why would you give up your naming

rights for what is in the scheme of a company not a lot of them like this

wouldn't even balance their books true but they just need money I guess so it

just feels so desperate right now however however I think I know how to fix

them one of the big problems with Aston Martin in my opinion is not that they

don't make good cars they make awesome cars they make incredibly beautiful cars

yeah they've been using a lot of AMG engines but so what so do a lot of other manufacturers

and honestly that's a really good engine to use I mean heck they were using

Cosworth re-engineered Ford engines two decades ago so you know McLaren used a BMW

engine Pagani uses AMG engines like what's wrong with Aston Martin doing it like

that's not it that's not a knock on them is I think though there is maybe this is

just nostalgia which has influences maybe a lot more of our decisions and our

opinions then maybe we care to admit but a Ford a tuned a Cosworth tuned Ford

engine sounds a lot more like it belongs in a British car than a German engine and I think

we've seen this trajectory where a lot of the German brands have been so successful

in creating performance cars it's in a sense to me it almost feels like putting an AMG

VA into an Aston Martin is like saying just LS swap your 944 like yes it's an easy good answer

but it doesn't it feels like it has less soul and I feel like Aston Martin should have soul

which maybe just means that they break a lot I think that's what soul means in cars actually

maybe I don't think that's their problem though because if they can recover their

reputation in terms of reliability I think that's a step forward their problem is

depreciation ah so Mercedes AMGs depreciate like crazy BMW M cars depreciate like crazy

nobody seems to care and it doesn't affect BMW and Mercedes because they sell so many cars they

can absorb that but where Aston Martin's competing they're competing with Porsche they're competing

with Ferrari and they're competing with Lamborghini Bentley Bentley's depreciate like crazy but

Bentley and Rolls Royce have figured out their marketing because those owners just don't give

a rip about depreciation which is baffling to me well I think they're just buying them to have

the latest one and I think they probably you reach a level of so much money I've heard whiskey can do

that sometimes I don't know that was a mic drop whoo train of thought I do think that when you

get to Bentley's and Rolls Royce's though there's a level of net worth or income that means that

depreciation doesn't correct matter yes it's or money clients sure yeah but where I think Aston

Martin is is losing people now you know they were plagued by other issues in the past is the idea

which is really only happened the last five years but it's become absolutely a prevalent idea

that I can buy a special car and not lose money because if you buy a special Ferrari you won't

lose money now they're run of the mill cars their Roma their FF the Piero Sangue all that stuff is

going to drop like a rock but Ferrari has built this cult brand to where people don't care because

well you're buying that so that you can become you know have Ferrari status and buy the really

special stuff which goes up in value it's that allocation it's a drug Porsche's anything

reasonably limited now appreciates as soon as you buy it and again if you buy a regular car okay

well it's you're getting in the family you're being able to buy other cars and you know the people

buying the McCons and the Cayenne's and Panamera's don't care because those are just appliances but

the special cars the GT cars the turbos people expect to make money on so that is a normal expectation

for people it's a dumb expectation but it's a normal expectation that if you buy a special car

you won't lose money enter Maserati Aston Martin they drop like a freaking rock and I think that's a

very real consideration for people looking at new Aston Martins it's I mean even for me I've

looked at the new Aston Martin's going I would buy this I don't like new cars they're too big

they're techy they're not manual but I love it I'm they're just some of the most beautiful

new cars on the planet and I go man sticker price is like 420 grand I mean it's going to be 200 in

a couple years I'm just like not going to do that why so much money to lose it's so much money

especially for peon like me but even the people who can afford to lose that are calculating going

well if I buy a Porsche GT3 touring I can make a hundred grand on it so Aston Martin I think needs

to fix their depreciation problem in order to attract those buyers because the cars are

awesome that they're making they're making yeah we're not going to beat that dead horse but

in order to do this because they are making some really special limited production super cars

but again it's I mean it's kind of like McLaren they'll sell them to whoever will buy them

so that's why a lot of these new collectors have just everything McLaren right because

they can't buy a Ferrari but they have money so buy McLaren's so they need to become viewed as exclusive

such that people will buy other models in order to get into the club to have their really special

stuff and I think the way that they do that is to start with the last 20 years of special cars

because and I've been saying this for a long time Aston Martins on the whole are undervalued

relative to their counterparts so you look at the Aston Martin Vantage V600 twin supercharged

friggin monster fat fenders gorgeous car from the early 90s

tough to put a value on them because almost every auction in the last two years went reserved not

met which tells you that the expectation of value for people you know trying to sell them is not

there with the buyers you know the buyers are just not paying up

Aston Martin DB7 GT 64 manual cars in the US compare that to a Ferrari 550 which I would

argue it's better than that Ferrari 550s are 200 to 250k all day long at DB7 GT is 50 to 80

Aston Martin vanquish first gen that was early 2000 supercar that is a supercar

and it has been completely forgotten granted part of that is because of its crappy early

single clutch sequential manual transmission which was notoriously unreliable but you can pick up a

bad one for 40 and the best one in the world for like 90 599 anybody it's like those start at

150 now and I would argue that the vanquish is far more special than a 599

and a manual 599 good golly for 500k now Aston Martin is doing works

conversions of the vanquish to manual six speed manual gearbox and I think it costs about 30

grand to do those conversions and they're selling for around about 100k plus or minus

those should be quarter million dollar cars then you have like the Zagato bodied specials

you have the DBAR1 and the what's the one that did the V12 Vantage with the Zagato body on it I

don't remember what it's called but you have some very limited Zagato specials with Aston Martins

that are a relative bargain the vanquish uh shooting brake Zagatos yep

then the newer stuff you have V12 Vantage DB9 stick DBS okay so Aston Martin needs to start

buying these up or incentivizing their dealers to buy these up hoard them and drive the stinking

market up and part of what they should be doing from the manufacturer level is taking cars like the

DB7 GT and or the vanquish so what I would do is I'd start with the vanquish and do a recommission

a lot of manufacturers are doing these recommissions even for not even manufacturers but like Canepa

is doing 959 SCs and they're charging 3x well not 3x probably 2x what a regular 959 would go for

and modified cars used to sell for less but these companies these aftermarket companies have branded

themselves as making the cars far better than original through these recommissions to the point

where people are looking at like Carrera GT recommissions and they're saying they're paint to

sample well no they're not because they weren't one of the original paint to sample from Porsche

but they're getting a premium anyway and calling them paint to sample so if Aston Martin bought up

every single friggin cheap ass vanquish for 50 grand took them back to the factory and started

doing recommissions on them with six speed manual gearboxes updating everything on them

fixing the weak points you know doing some modernization stuff apple car play etc and then

offering you know repaints and custom colors they could probably charge 350 grand I would be tempted

to pay a quarter of a million plus for a you know recommission new from Aston Martin manual

vanquish that is a heck of a lot of car and it gets you into that what is so hot is just like the

like analog cars from the 90s 2020 and even dipping into the 2010 so capitalizing on that

it's part of the reason why some of those aftermarket companies can charge so much because

it's getting an experience that literally cannot be manufactured today correct today's manufacturing

laws and I think you've touched kind of on something else too is when you think of Porsche

and Ferrari and Lamborghini and Bentley and Rolls it's they have a heritage that they seem to stick

to you know the Bentley and the Rolls is the the opulence and the and you know you you don't care

you buy it because it's the best Porsche there's the the motorsport there's the the care they

take to continue making parts and the reliability they really ground themselves on that Ferrari

it's everything with the brand the motorsport history the values of their cars and it when I

think of Aston Martin I don't know what I would consider their brand their image they're like

who is Aston Martin and they're making a bunch of like really expensive one-offs or like low

production runs like the velour is incredible looking but like it was incredible and then it

went away and I like I don't know if any are on market like are they trading who does anybody

care there's a couple that traded hands afterwards but and and like the the the Valkyrie it it I

went to Nimza Race at Watkins Glen last year the Valkyrie sounded so good and it because it is a

screaming V12 and a pack of like six cylinders I love flat sixes but still like the hearing a

V12 on the racetrack again was so good but it's not competitive it's at the back of like every

pack in every race it's in and it sucks I don't know why that is it could be bouncer performance

it could be maybe it's just a bad car I don't think so but like what are you guys doing yeah yeah

I think I think they need vision and what you touched on with Ferrari and Rolls Royce is part

of what they do well too is the aftersales they create such an incredible luxury experience

ongoing both in their service department and through you know racing and and different

stuff like that that you know the the people at that net worth level are paying for experience and

status and luxury beyond just what's in the car and I don't think Aston Martin is really doing that

they're just trying to sell cars and they're struggling and so I think if they started and

bought up Vantage v600 db7 gts dba aero ones vanquishes some of the Zagato specials the v12

vanishes in a stick I mean there's not even that many like the they could buy 500 cars

and recommission them and start driving the value up on those I'm not saying they should

do collusion or anything illegal but we all know that they're shall be I mean just there just needs

to be a few auction results for cars like that that set the new market that get people's attention

I'm not saying how they should do it but they should it should just happen you know because

that's happened with I mean if if if used car dealer speculators can single-handedly drive

the market up on certain segments of cars why can't Aston Martin who has the brand heritage

and the resources well I don't know if they have the resources right now but take that 50 million

bucks that they got for hocking their name to Aston Martin Racing and you know build some value

into your classic cars because there's so much room for upside there to catch up with the Ferraris

and the Porsches and the Aston Martin's are absolutely every bit as good if not better if not

better I think the V12 Vantage and Vantage S are probably some of the greatest cars of the 2000

teens just full stop period and the DB7 GT is like just completely overlooked and like the the brand

loyalty is there and the fact that I think I ran like I tried to buy up all the DB7 GTs a few years

ago and I bought one I couldn't find nobody wanted to sell them half of them were still with the

original owners like they just they never ever ever come up for sale because people love them

so much and the V12 Vantage S was the same thing with the help of our technical advisor Dan I went

through all of the VIN numbers of all the S manual roadsters and manual coupes and literally 33% of

them were still with the original owner that is a huge massive number 33% so Aston Martin has those

like high net worth loyal customers but they're just they need to expand to you know get the guys

who will buy a new Aston Martin every five to eight years that will buy instead of a GT3 touring or

instead of a Ferrari Roma or instead of a Bentley because I think they're the better choice but

to do that they've got to build the value in the classic cars such that people will start to go oh

well maybe my cars won't depreciate as much and then maybe they won't actually yeah I'm not saying

Aston Martin should control their own market but what a Porsche do there's also a level of it becomes

a self-fulfilling prophecy if like people don't want they're like if there is a perception that

these are valuable their values don't go decrease or depreciate then that almost becomes true once

you reach a critical mass of people that believe that correct correct perception is reality I don't

think you need to do that many transactions before it starts to just like it probably wouldn't cost

them that much in the long run because once they start buying these up and built the hype then

people would pre-fund air like they wouldn't have to underwrite any losses or anything like that it

would just naturally go bonkers so ah well maybe you should buy Aston Martin Doug or get promoted

to their CEO you know if I had bought Carvana stock two years ago I could buy Aston Martin with

the results maybe Carvana should buy Aston no no Doug no ah can you imagine taking delivery

Carvana would put the ass in Aston Martin

whoa all right what's next what do we got maybe David Brown should buy Aston Martin

fixed it once right uh I mean he's kind of doing that what I think they should do is

doing their the speedback thing like anyway uh well I've been we'll get to the shrew negotiator

a special segment um we love ragging on kit cars have been engaged recently to find a yellow 355

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okay this car was completed in 2008 one of 40 this is number one by a company called aerodynamics

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building this vehicle sounds like a real thing with a supercharger engaged 99% of people cannot

distinguish that this car is a replica car is the exact dimensions matching the real thing

except it's not because just like every other one when you look at it looks like it got squished

in the middle that said this is probably one of the best replicas I've ever seen in photos until

you look at the interior or the engine bay I mean it's absolutely a Pontiac Grand Prix interior

which is just too bad um well it's better than the fake uh the fake engine that we saw

oh yes it is definitely better than the fake engine than the Lamborghini Inventador

yeah so if you want a car that 99% of people can't tell the difference you can buy this

355 kit car because all the molds are taken from the real car yeah that's what they all say

that's what they all say

oh I can't this David Brown speedback thing is is not hot

it looks like they're like making them it seems and selling them but I can't quite tell

they are making them and selling them they've been making them since like 2014 it's like a

Nuvo Aston Martin DB5 yeah I kind of the interior is kind of meh but it's all right and they're

charging was half a million pounds for them if David Brown can sell these for half a million

pounds Aston Martin can redo the vanquish heck they could even get Zagato to like re-body

some of the vanquishes and do like one-off coach built modern vanquishes like man I'm just thinking

here we're we're cooking with gas I would say the speedback Silverstone edition with like I don't

know how I feel about the wire wheels I'm not really convinced they look all that great yeah

it's the Silverstone one is better though yeah yeah there's something about wire wheels that just

don't work on like a new car yeah I've seen a couple people do wire wheels on a z8 and it just

doesn't I know the z8 is like a heritage retro thing speaking of heritage retro cars would you

just look at the segue done I didn't even plan for that segue but here we go oh yeah wire wheels

on a z8 is no good that segue was so good Ethan wasn't even ready for it his eyes got wide

that's right Ethan got to keep you on your toes over there taking a nap

um I thought it would be fun to decide which are the best and worst heritage and retro cars

because there's a whole lot of them seems like the late 90s early 2000s was the heyday of well

really car manufacturers running out of good ideas so they went back to the archives and said all

right well let's just update this yeah people are nostalgic for this yeah and the trend has continued

not in such proliferation as it was back then and I think Chrysler kind of started they kicked that off

through the 90s man everything Chrysler was making was retro but what are the winners and losers as

they've aged a second time what what do we think are the best heritage uh designs retro designs

whatever uh I'm gonna start with a newer car the Alpine a 110 oh is just pulling in a very sort of

a secure one out chef's kiss yeah I would probably buy one if they well if they came in a stick

and if they sold them here yeah if they came in this into the us well yeah the you okay so that's

the first one if they came into the us and then also they had a stick I'd buy one uh Ford Thunderbird

that was a iconic one 2002 Ford Thunderbird that came to mind for me yeah everybody loves to hate

on those because they're like not a sports car whatever but they're not supposed to be they are

an old man car catering to the person who remembers their 55 Ford Thunderbird but can't squeeze in under

the giant frickin steering wheel or like underneath the heart I mean that is one of the hardest cars

to get into so and they captured the design in like a very good brilliant mid 2000s way I think

they've aged very well yes they have they even have the porthole window in the hard top I think

that was just a bang on design and it was like really close to the concept too so I appreciated

Ford for bringing that one out that's one of my top picks Porsche Boxster

who is that a bad one no I think that's good I just I wasn't sure if you'd be like wait that's

not a retro design but it really is it's supposed to be based on the 550 right yeah yeah uh so I

think that's kind of cool it's harkening back to the 550 spider maybe even the 718 RSK you know those

mid-engine race cars hence why the second fourth generation boxer was a 718

I really like the Boxster anyway it was kind of wild design language when it came out

and I guess all the car I mean BMW did the Z3 Mercedes did the SLK and Audi did the TT all

like wildly different but really pushing the boundaries but I love the boxer I think that's

good modern interpretation of a classic design I do kind of wish they would have made it closer

to the concept though the concept boxer looks the concept boxer was hot so close like Carrera GTS

so good so so good so good um PT Cruiser

I'm gonna actually give that a thumbs down I kind of like it I don't think they were good I like

that it exists but it's not for me I'm gonna give the PT Cruiser thumbs up and the Chevy HHR

thumbs down same thing but again I what I have to say is I don't have many thumbs downs because I am

so happy that these exist and I have fond memories and nostalgia there it is again uh of them kind

of driving around but there's a lot of them and I just wouldn't touch the HHR glad it exists I think

it's bad also the HHR was like oh Chrysler did that 10 years ago let's try this yeah same guy

designed them for really 100 I just put a bow tie on it and lean the car back level

Dan our technical advisor perfect uh let's see the Volkswagen new Beetle oh I have that one on my

list that was awesome thumbs up that was so cool when it came out oh yeah those things back when

they came out in like 97 98 that was a big deal that was a big deal yeah I saw and that was such a

like real close to the concept too and it was just a perfect modernization of what a beetle is

oh so good all the reliability to match well the original Beetles more reliable right yeah

probably actually yeah wait are the early beetles not reliable they just are

they're they're not a car that will 100 start up they're not necessarily quality but they're easy

they're simple and they're easy to work on and like that was such a big hit that the

Volkswagen new Beetle was a cover car from Midtown Madness that's a that is they had those everywhere

and I played there was a Nintendo 64 game yeah and big beetle adventure racing oh so good I'm

gonna have to get Ethan photos of these for the video my goodness uh Plymouth prowler uh thumbs up

grudgingly yes Ethan is what you know you don't get an opinion either I don't get an opinion okay

watch as Mike is saying watch we should unplug his mic you know you don't get to be hating on the

prowler I think we'll uh I think we'll come back to my opinions on the prowler in our Patreon

episode this should have been made into a hot rod like yeah it was trying to so the fourth

Thunderbird people not because it wasn't a performance car but it was appropriately following

what the original fourth Thunderbird was the Plymouth prowler was emulating

OG hot rods that were all about performance and it nailed the look other than the giant

rubber pool noodle bumpers they just forgot the performance part totally forgot it totally

forgot it and they didn't really create a platform that was easy to modify that's like you know here's

something modular yeah go to town with it it just I mean I guess it was perfect because the people

who were building 30s and 40s hot rods back in the day were of the age that they didn't want a real

hot rod oh no perfect I know what they were doing I haven't driven old hot rods but everybody I know

that hasem says that they drive absolutely terribly oh they're essentially built for

either looks or noise or straight line speed like none of them are actually balanced and good to

drive because they're kind of like homemade yeah so there we go the prowler was terrible on purpose

on purpose what about the Nissan Pike cars the Figaro the BE1 the S Cargo the thumbs up the pow

thumbs up for me big thumbs up yeah and what I like is they weren't necessarily modernizations

or a retro future design of specific cars it was like an amalgamation of like this style car

what would it have looked like or been made like in in in that time love them so cool Toyota did it

too Toyota origin the Toyota classic what I'm getting educated dodge viper gts and for that

matter rt10 dodge viper now these toyotas are interesting pop quiz does anybody know what the

dodge viper was originally styled from like the front end styling so you look at the gts blue

with white stripes and you think Shelby Daytona coupe but that is not what the original inspiration

for the styling was even though the blue with white stripes viper gts is like oh my gosh this

is the Daytona coupe yeah I knew this at one point and I forget all right oh my gosh

Dan Doucet knows more than you facebook page dedicated to Dan Doucet knowing more than us

doesn't know more than me now granted I just learned this so I'm I was down at the revs institute

Cunningham C2R yep yep so the designers studied that car and like the the bulk the bulbousy front

end and wanted to recreate that same like look over the humps as the drivers looking out and

they studied the C2R in order to get ideas for that these Cunninghams are so cute yeah Cunninghams

are awesome yeah that's pretty sweet how about every Porsche 911 ever made oh big thumbs up who

who right here because you don't think of those as retro cars but it's the same functional look

the same as Jeremy Clarkson has said many times 1964

uh wz8 yes I beat me to it love it big thumbs I like the z8 I put them the z8 and the sls

gallwing in the same category because those are two cars that weren't um they weren't like a

continuation car it was just uh we did an old one once and we're gonna do a new one once and

that's it yeah there's an old one there's a new one and there's like no in between no continuation

yes the sl line I get it it continued but like the 300 sl to what came after was not the same cars

the 190 sl there was a natural progression from that car to the rest of the sl line so you had the

300 sl gallwing iconic 50s dare I say super car and then you had the sls gallwing like

perfect tribute to that car old one new one bmw z8 bmw 507 it's like the 507 was a car

that they made once and would never make the likes of it again and the z8 was the same thing

like you can't do that three times you can't continue it it's just plop right in the middle

let's make one of the most gorgeous cars of all time let's do it again 50 years later

peace we'll be back yep uh how do we feel about the jag s type no yeah probably not it's so bad

so ugly no we're talking about like continuation ones that have just hard to say they're they're

retro but just the fact that they never stopped there was no brake or anything mini coopers

yeah that gives a thumbs up sure yeah but i think what's interesting about the mini coopers dan is

they made the same looking car forever for like 40 years and then they did the drop there was like

no brake it just works well Volkswagen did the same thing with the beetle just not in Germany

yeah yeah the mexican beetle uh for gt oh yeah very good very good thumbs up winner winner now

we're not talking about the 1718 gt because that is not retro at all but the 05064 gt might be one

of the greatest throwback cars yeah agreed and if they hadn't made the 1718 you could put that in

the same category as the z8 and the 300 sl it's like ford was a young brother ford was cooking in

the 2000s because the Mustang the 05 Mustang was so incredible and they're still making

Mustangs that look kind of like that now like definitely have fixed the design i think it was

good but then looking back that one hasn't aged as well as some of the others and i think the

interior has aged terribly every time i look at the interior of an 05 to like a 514 Mustang

i really don't like it well i'm like that's just because they're plastic so my acres of we will

look at the new ones and say the exact same things in five years because there's just a lot of

plastic i think they had the good idea because they had like the faux billet stuff and they were

trying to make it look old so i don't know it was good idea but you just have to remember that it

is a Mustang you can't expect too much of those that's very true same thing with Corvettes uh

dodge challenger the 08 challenger i feel like we can group the challenger the charger and the

Camaro into the same like they're all that era of them remaking challenger did it first though and

i think they did it best yeah i don't think the charger did a great job i think the charger was

kind of like you brought back the name dodgy magnum that was kind of cool yeah throwback wagon uh

here's my least one of my least favorites lamborghini coontosh oh yeah that was ridiculous

the eventador rebody for two and a half million dollars i don't think they nailed it with that one

i think it's better looking than the eventador but that one just i'm like eh they could have done

better because it's a body kit on an eventador it just doesn't feel the same like it's not its own

car right the mura concept who was one of the greatest modern styling exercises of anything

and that would have been awesome if they had made that unfortunately they didn't but yeah

coontosh for me thumbs down the a very new one that just came out recently the reno 5 e-tech

is an ev which is not my favorite thing in the world for like a sporting hatch but i do think

in doug i don't even know if you've seen a photo of one of these it looks like an old reno 5 just a

very modern version of it and i really appreciate how much they stuck to the assignment they didn't

make it look too ugh it like looks legit i just won't buy one because they're not here and i don't

really feel like buying any they're not here in a stick also just not here my final one roof ctr

anniversary oh thumbs up love it love everything roof does and i love that they made a new carbon

fiber friggin bespoke chassis monocoque blah blah brand new version of a super iconic car

yeah and they're like in-house built air cooled flat six that makes so much more horsepower than

it should it's like oh that could be a 9 11 like singer on steroids but no it's built from scratch

by roof not a 9 11 i don't know how they get away with that alloy roof alley alley roof must have

had a killer deal with uh furtenand pour ship back in the day i don't know how we got the rights to

use that body but anyway somebody smarter than me knows dan do you know yeah okay somebody does

anyway plate to sample brought to us by soul and spine this is where we read off a vanity plate

likely a user submission and the other person has to guess what car it comes on based on

what the person is projecting about themselves tyler i'll let you go first okay first for you

Arun the driver on instagram a driven m a driven m i'm gonna say that is like

late 90s m roadster or maybe even a clown shoe i would actually prefer this plate on that car

i was thinking that it was an enthusiast it is an enthusiast and i was going for full on okay

but it is oh goodness let me get my generations correct i think i don't need the codes i think

it's an f80 m3 oh it's uh it's much newer it's it's an enthusiast it's a it's a sweet guy it's an

fadm judge we don't know their hearts but yeah i'd like to see the more obscure car all right cool

let's see no ex-wife this is from john in north carolina thank you john no ex-wife nope

uh honda odyssey nope because they have a wife and kids um

is it a mustang nope what is it it is a mercedes c 63 first gen i would not have guessed that well

they probably still have kids so they have to pick them up for their that was my honda odyssey

okay honda no the ex-wife has the honda odyssey ah okay but there's no ex-wife

the current wife has the honda odyssey no wait a minute no ex-wife no he's never married

i'm all confused no ex-wife now i so he's never married so he should have like a Ferrari oh yeah

i assumed what's he doing i assumed that was just a weird like i still have a my wife well i thought

i thought he was saying he's still married i guess that's a weird way to say i have a wife

it's a really weird way to say it it confused all of us maybe get a new plate guy

if you do have a wife you might be you might soon have one and then you're gonna regret that play

i don't know is this the first time we've ever told anybody to get a new plate on this that's

uh no we've i mean in so many words that's an odd one uh dug for you uh no du i

well hold on maybe he's saying like hey i'm single like maybe he's like 40 or something

what he's single but he's trying to advertise he doesn't have baggage right like hey i'm actually

and he's got the back seat so it's like i'm game for kids and whatever it's like his his tender

call out of interesting you know i'm a i'm an eligible bachelor see i was thinking you were

going to take that the mark spence route of like you could be my future ex-wife don't have one yet

i don't know i just i get a new plate

uh all right let's get out of this dug no du i

that better not be one of the du i plates in ohio that would be amazing if it was well so this

guy has no ex-wife this guy has no du i probably because he doesn't have an ex-wife either because

ex-wives drive you to drinking okay uh you wanted to get us out of this we got right back into it

and this car is not worth it uh chevrolet beretta no but man that's a good guess nice no it's a

toy at a highlander i just like the plate it's all right it seems like a very sensible vehicle

to go with a sensible plate like no du i although maybe you i was sensible planes is like i don't

know god dude doesn't drive while drinking well maybe it's a moral statement of like you shouldn't

have a du i but it also could be like i'm really good at getting out of him it's a brag or he's a du i

lawyer oh and he'll get you out of him yeah like he could be like a lawyer up the better call us all

right all right uh this one from i think tony concevac i think uh c non ball cannon ball

ohio plate um what is that going to be on

did he actually send me this plate as well dan a mutual retirement i'll give you a hint you've

guessed it already tonight oh a honda odyssey yes no way really yes whoa the irony is you might

say that's a terrible car for that plate but uh yummy deets and his son and ben prestin did a

very fast time in a honda odyssey with a like trailer uh hitch mounted fuel tank

and a porta potty in the bank they'd back they did like 31 and change hours in a honda odyssey

you gotta really be careful with what you eat if there's a porta potty in the back of your cannon

ball car better than not having a catheter or whatever boy no gas station jerky for you

uh for for you dug flat with a four instead of an a

flat oh with not flat four i'm like well Porsche 718 boxer flat okay Porsche 718 boxer no

Subaru anything yes it is a WRX wagon yeah it's a good plate i like that a lot all right

jack h all right uh for you i spotted this one myself q ship one q ship one

that's got to be like a reference to something well q ship also known as a cuboid is a decoy

vessel special service ship or mystery shipped heavily armed merchant ships with concealed weaponry

i like that you had this like in the chamber ready to satisfy my confusion um what is it like a

honda accord a silver passenger vehicle no uh god i have no idea i'm blanking on w211 e350 wagon

okay that's a good one i know because i have heard the term q ship before i know interesting

i really wish it was on an AMG because that would fit the definition of q ship better ah

or d badged AMG even more i maybe i should get that for my car although q ship one is already

taken so i guess i need q ship two or three or whatever it's but yes that should be on a

well maybe they down badged it oh they might have because it is a decoy this is i got to

look at the photo no it's uh no regular exhaust definitely a base e350 but that would be cool

down badged yep anyway love that plate next one comes from uh from another submission

through switchcast dot live air 404 er 404 er 404 no err no err is a plate buddy no right

hardly no huh who are you nice Ethan laughed at one of my jokes that's funny

i don't know or i feel like this is gonna be like obvious uh it's i'm gonna feel really dumb no

no it's making the face no okay i give up yeah it's it's an out of s4 i don't think it fits the car

just like that it's another 404 plate err like air 404 is not found like the http air code for

not found i mean it's not an err s4 i don't know the er i know that's why you know and it's like

a recent s4 maybe they're a er doctor or something i don't know that might actually maybe my would

not have guessed that plate from that though interesting all right for you uh from daemon

whiting yowza

okay all right who uh um a corvette nope um yowza is this like a smart car

nope silly no it's a very serious car uh yeah a Lamborghini no what is it

lincoln mark lt pickup truck okay all right good plate i knew you'd never get that one though

no like i don't think that's related to the truck uh now last one for you dug from brandon b rated m

bmw yes it is an e90x cab i don't what is it two three one well you didn't let me guess it wasn't an m

oh but it's not an m right no it is it's m3 oh i think you said it x something or rather well it's

the e what is that because the e90 is the yeah oh e9x is like the generic yes e93 would be the

convertible m3 convertible e93 all right cool all right thank you for not putting one of those on

a non-m or like an m340 factory a forged car yeah get out of here yeah uh all right last one uh

from erin tulen business viz nas strictly business here uh ucon no oh that means i'm really far off

this is a like an e-class nope uh business business business is this an ultima i think more like

risky business oh it's a 928 serious business no but wow it is uh looks like a

viper green 992 karara gts aero kit oh there's lots of things happening there yeah yeah pretty

that's it's the business yep it is the business all right if you want to submit plates for the

plate game send them to me via instagram on at douglas tab or to tyler on switchcast dot live

and of course just visit switchcast dot live for all of your switchcast needs old episodes

old blogs very old blogs won't do blogs anymore but uh yeah what's on blog uh i wanted to talk about

hot takes tonight but you said you don't have any hot i think i have one but

leithan will tell me it's probably luke luke warm luke yeah luke warm all right well we can skip

hot takes uh we can put them in patreon we'll try them on the patreon audience and see how they go

i have one i said we could do anything we wanted as long as we could connect it back to cars somehow

because everything we talk about here has to be somehow connected to a car well and i think i've

worn out my like main hot take which is that gatekeeping can be positive and like i'm sure

maybe somebody will hear this for the first time and have their jimmy's rustled over that but like

i don't know i have good reasons we just talk about them a lot so it's not like ground it's not

earth shattering well speaking of gatekeeping i we've let's talk i'm so in we've we've beaten

this topic to death yet not solved it and i think but i was down in naples a couple weekends ago

for cars on fifth and i was hanging out with the paradise region grupe crew and they also run cars

and coffee 239 which is a big well run cars and coffee event down there and they absolutely gatekeep

they have to because if they don't the corvette guys literally will show up every month early

and take the premium spots which they rotate and say like okay it's not just like who knows us or

whatever they go okay like last month it was for gts the next month there'll be something else the

next month it'll be corvettes so they have a rotating like feature display which doesn't matter

how early you show up but they still have to gatekeep in a sense everybody's welcome but

not everybody's welcome in the featured spot because they want to you know curate that display

proven my point i love it but what scott does and he's mr gatekeeper

i want to meet this but but what he also does because he'll have kids come in and clapped out

mustangs and teggers and whatever and he's like listen i remember those days and we've talked ad

nauseam about how do you encourage the next generation of car enthusiasts without like

bringing the riffraff in right like how do you how do you foster respect and a good culture but

also not be snobby and invite those people to be included in what you're doing and appreciate it

because if you are too inclusive then the good cars and the old school car people just won't come at

all and if you're too curmudgeonly and snobby then your club will die as you're seeing with a lot

of i mean the cleven cleven is just a a walking picture of how not to do the automotive car scene

it's all bad it's it's all bad but i think we were having a discussion earlier that i think actually

might i don't know if it's an answer might be an explanation so like you have made the point

that when you go to a car show you want to see cars so you want to make sure you want whoever

curated or put on or you know made the call at the entrance no yes no to gate keep a little bit so

you have interesting cars to look at and that's one end of things which i think makes a lot of

sense the other end of things is just wanting to hang out with the boys which was what i mostly

prefer to do where you like the gatekeeping there is like invite only or it's just the friends and

we're here to like hang out with each other with our cars because we're passionate about it but

like that doesn't need to be open to the public that also doesn't mean you can't be into cars

or can't like be at the same coffee shop and be like hey that's really sweet and hang out like

we're not kicking people out but it's like you know how i gate keep you just not no i have car

things at my house at my l la suite and i invite everybody and just nobody shows up so it's easy

i feel like you're attacking dan right now no you guys show up i just like i'm golfing i'm this

i'm that i'm this it's so hard to get people just come out and hang out you know they'll go to events

where they can be seen but it's no i'm not anyway so back to cars and coffee 239 because i was actually

on my way to a point but you know detour road works yeah you know took a long detour this is

my brain so what scott does is he'll randomly pick somebody that shows up like a young kid

in a car that he goes hey looks like you put some work into this car wrenched on yourself

whatever he'll talk to him a little bit as quickly as he can as the you know hundreds of cars are

filtering in and he'll be like vip go park up with the really expensive cars and it'll absolutely

blow their mind because they're like you want me park next between these two ferraris and like

he did it to a kid with an older Mustang or whatever and the kid was like beside himself

and you know that was like just the the fact that he was invited to do that gave him naturally the

respect of like i'm not supposed to be here but at the same time like we're car people and i get to

like i get to be proud of my ride and people are coming up to it and asking me about it and like

that that ignites that passion that's awesome it's so cool i love that i feel like that's one of the

ways to balance i mean that that's just that's one scenario one example one person but i'm like

that's really cool because they maintain exclusivity and they maintain a standard of behavior like

there's no shenanigans at their events and they'll kick people out like he will absolutely kick

people out oh but also invite people in of like let's let's foster your passion for the for cars

so because that's what like we're here for that's what matters yeah cleveland ain't

ain't happening yet ain't happening yet even so what was the latest so we have the

um the big uh stan hewitt father's day car show every year big big deal car show and apparently

and one of the ways i think it's it's not the it's not automatic but one of the ways to ruin

a good car community is to introduce profit to it or commercialism you can you can do commercialism

you can have a profitable car event community whatever but i think that also is a good way to

quickly ruin something that's good so the one of the people who had been involved with running it

started their own corporation and then sold themselves back to the stan hewitt organization

as an event planning company for profit to now run this car show that they've been running the

whole time as a volunteer so then a whole bunch of people got ticked off and we're like well

we're not gonna do that we're gonna start our own show down at hail farm so they started their

own father's day show so you had a friggin church split and uh they're going down there well the

original person who started the event company registered the domain name like hail farm car

show dot com out of spite but then these curmudgeons that broke off and started the new one

basically don't want any cars newer than 1980 there what they're doomed from the get go because

they're like no young cars it's we want classic cars you only want holy moly look i'm all for

some gatekeeping that might be a better much like come on it's cleveland just i mean it's the picture

from cars and coffee to the father's day car show cleveland is the picture of how to destroy

a car community we just can't do it for some reason i don't know why gosh i'm just gonna come over

in my house that's you have to drive a stick shift car this but no gatekeeping yeah no um

so i'm headed to amelia island uh for the amelia concor in a couple weeks and speaking of splits

oh my gosh oh the couple years ago the moda rm sotheby's got ticked off and split and they

started moda miami which is crazy to me because it's two weeks after the miami concor so you have

the miami concor moda miami and then the amelia concor which hagerty now owns um i've not been

been well i went the first year of the split i think um but i've not been in a couple years so

i'm curious now because amelia was getting too big so now with the competition of moda i'm curious

if that's going to put a dent in it like i'm curious to experience amelia and see how it is

like well i feel like we went to the the year of the split and the year after yeah we did a fire

yes rm was still there the first year and then the the second year moda was on the same weekend

now they're on different weekends but it seems like moda's been doing a better job of marketing

themselves and seems to be the draw for all the big wigs i would agree with that i had more people

ask me this year if i was going to moda than going to amelia and it i mean i'm a big i had like at

least six ask about moda four for amelia you know so how much are you charging for autographs

not as much as carol shelby dog can i get a selfie

so

you laugh at naples oh i'm meant to tell you this at cars on fifth a guy pulled up from the Porsche

dealer and he's like hey you're the switch cast guy i love the podcast nice heck yeah not wiki

not cannonball not whatever not the mexican's not even like you're the switch cars guy like you're

the cast so many things that yeah nice congrats shout out to you tyler um wait what i have to do

and somebody said oh you're from ohio how's kasey butt shoot no uh i have been asked that

uh it's like we live in the same house or something you know um so anyway we love to play game

at no people think that like everybody from been wiki just like hangs out all the time

it's like those like the bachelor just like if someone says they're from new york everyone

assumes they're from new york city right exact thing yeah or like if if i'd say i'm from main

people like oh do you know well dog i think jimmy i'm like yeah actually i do

my cousin get married to my sister no everybody's cousin's up there it's real weird uh so anyway

me and my friend uh dav who who's been on the podcast before is a high ultra high net worth

collection consultant very very smart guy we like playing a game it's his game at the auctions we

play over under one of us picks a number at these high-end car auctions and you know cars are selling

for six seven eight figures and we say okay pick a number and we pick the other person picks over

the other person has to take under and it's a dollar bet okay so whoever is right get a dollar

if you're actually bang on i think you get two dollars you know real high stakes betting but it

is absolutely hilariously fun because you're betting on oh this car's estimate is a million to

one point two it's gonna sell for nine fifty all right i take the over you take the other all right

it's very competitive because we consider ourselves professional car valueers so it's

more about the ego thing like it is painful to lose a dollar because you're wrong and it's like

the game you and i used to play with bring a trailer so that was a good time yeah um so we're

gonna do a little over under because there's some wild estimates high and low on the auctions at

amelia island both good and a broad arrow so we thought okay let's look at ones that we think are

overvalued undervalued and see what we think they're gonna go for where the deals are gonna be so

tyler let's start off with gooding auctions what do you got uh so i so do you want me to like

say a number are we just talking about like what i think is going to go bananas or not bananas uh

yeah relative to their estimate i think is a good uh you say gooding my brain is either producers

are doing gooding christie so yep um i think so at gooding there's a roof 928 which i did not

know existed and that's the only one commissioned by some dude who used to be like the president or

CEO of the samsung group ages ago roofs always just seem to go bonkers and i think because

this is the only one yes a 928 is not as desirable as a 911 or a yellow bird of some sort of btrc

you know whatever i think that's gonna go pretty nuts and they have a very healthy estimate on it

of ooh pulling it up didn't pull it up fast enough they're estimating four to five hundred k wow i

wouldn't be surprised if it goes above that roofs always go like just but crazy that you didn't know

it existed means a lot of other people didn't know it existed that's true i just ah it's a 928

it is i'm gonna go i'm gonna take the under you're gonna take the under i'm gonna take the under

yeah either of you guys recall what the 928 from risky business sold for that was big money

was around a million i'm just thinking like how many 928s have beat their estimate period

and that one comes to mind two million i was wrong now that's got the the movie car situation

yeah that's but man i mean this is a hot 928 but it's definitely i just think it's the only one

you know yeah what do you got uh i've got uh the karara gt it's 1800 miles silver over

ascot no reserve what's the estimate the estimate is 1.5 to 1.8 and there's no stories on this car

recalls done clean car facts all the research i did there's no reason not to buy it um i think that

estimate is way low based on some very recent transactions i mean if you look at september

sale results that's dead on but that market has popped recently i think that car will go if if we

were playing if if you set the over under at 2.3 i would take over really yes yep i think that one's

gonna pop off i'll take under i'm guessing it's gonna stall it too okay but their estimate is low

that maybe that's marketing they're getting everybody every other time we look at this estimates

are like insane like they were drinking while they came up with them the other one that i think is low

at gooding is the diablo six liter this is not me uh wanting them to go up in value because we've

talked about how it's bad when cars go up in value but there's a 7 000 mile car in jewish

racing gold uh estimate is 550 to 650 based on just a recent bring a trailer transaction i think

that estimate is out of date uh if we're setting the over under 750 i'm gonna take the over uh at

100k above their high estimate i think that car will go quite well also i think it's not too long

before we see a public sale of a six liter over a million bucks i think tamarian has already sold

one privately above that for a really spectacular example we've seen a couple of himself for high

sevens around 800 so yeah i think this one despite the less desirable color combination

will also do quite well

i think uh that the xjr 15 that they have is going to go below estimate

i probably agree with you there what is the estimate on that one 900 to 1.2 oh that's a low

low estimate it is pretty low but i feel like as much as i adore xjr 15s although i don't know

what they're like to drive or live with i every single time i feel like i've seen one it's never

met its estimate because i just these are rare these are highly special but i just don't think

they've got the same panache as you know some old ferrari or Porsche wood so it's probably gonna

stall this is like a very no mile example they make all of these it's impossible no mile examples

the other issue is some of these have hidden stories i know that a couple years ago one

sold at rm one sold at broad arrow and i think one maybe also sold at gooding but there was one

at each auction and one of them sold for like 200k more than the other one yeah and that was because

people knew things that we as casual observers didn't know so it i think it depends highly on

what people know about this particular example um so i yeah i'd probably take the over on 900k if

you think it's going to go below the low estimate but i don't think it's gonna i don't think it's

gonna get to the high estimate so i'll take the bet on that one we shall see uh my uh high one

i think is high uh they have a 968 turbo s at gooding uh both auctions gooding and broad arrow

are expecting to sell the first million dollar 968 and it may happen but to me that's just

it's i think that's crazy even so uh claire the clarification i guess between the two is the

it is a turbo s at gooding and broad arrow has a turbo rs race car of which there's only like

three three it's only a race car this livery's fantastic it's like really stored even then

i still don't think a 968's gonna hit a million bucks yeah and that seems insane so race car is

great provenance it was raced by you know jergen heywood or whatever and uh anybody no no oh my gosh

mixing up Porsche factory driver names come on supposed to catch me on that um i would say that

the race car goes for more than the street car but yeah the crazy thing is looking at comps on

turbo s's is this is the nicest one to come up in a long time and they have sold for like 450 to

seven for lesser examples so this might just based on the hype because somebody wants to pay

the first million bucks for the first 968 might go i just i'm bullish on this one because i think

it's crazy just million bucks for any 968 is nutty to me i even think the price for the club

sports versus the regular ones is nutty like i don't know i would love to own a 968 club sport

but not for 100k no like it's trying to think of my 968 but with less weight is sounds awesome

but not for two and a half to three times the price yeah so i even the turbo rs i think it'll

probably get to like 900 like it's gonna get close but i don't think it'll hit a mill yeah

how about broad arrow or do you have more good ink or no and i've already done my broad arrow car

one of what was your broad arrow the turbo rs the turbo rs yeah all right uh let's see my broad

arrow car is the over nope sorry yeah the under the one i think is undervalued uh ferrari 360

challenge stradale in rosa scuderia which is the orangey red no stripe 3800 original miles estimate

is 600 to 700k currently as of our recording by the time you hear this it will have sold

but there's a 2600 mile one on bat it's already 800k with three days left so

we've seen some crazy transaction results results on stradales lately that market just

just exploded overnight um it's man i had a really good line i'm gonna back it up

water and reverse stradale market exploded like osama bin laden was manipulating it

okay let's put her back into first no no no no doug no no no just carry it the only way out is

through all right uh if anyone's driving and listening to our podcast they just veered into

the left lane no um i think this car is 8 5900k so if you said the over under 800k i'm taken over

i think they under under estimated that one is it the red yeah challenge stradale yep i mean

probably but i just don't want to think about that that depresses me it's crazy it's insanity it's nuts

but we're just talking reality what is going to happen is it's going to go for more than

their high estimate uh and the one that i think is too high is the 997 gt3 rs uh their estimate

is 450 to 550 it's a white car yes it has buckets and ceramics but it also has a couple light

aftermarket modifications and it has 17 000 miles which that seems low but in terms of the

collector world that's not low mileage a lot of these cars were tracked i'm interested to see this

car up close to see is it really really spectacular example or is it you know tired 17 000 miles

because um is it been like 17 a lot a lot of these got tracked a lot of them got tracked um so

and i just like that's crazy to me that that doesn't seem in line with market with what we've seen

it's not an aqua blue car it's not white gold graphics it's not like 5000 miles i think that's

like a high threes car that's i think they totally miss the mark on that estimate i know 3.8 rs's

are nutty but it's just not the market's not there and it shouldn't be there this is not a

market maker car it's just another gt3 rs so i do think so so many i'm really leaning on the

roofs to bring a lot of money situation so there's a 2001 roof rgt that broad arrow has that's like

this crazy orange color that has an orange and red interior business both gooding and broad

arrow have an rgt there's only 17 of them and two of them are there each got one uh i so this

estimate is 250 to 280 i think it'll probably just get above the the the top estimate i don't this

is a crazy spec that has been owned by the same guy does not have air conditioning is that correct

or is that the other one uh one of them doesn't have air conditioning which is a huge

i think that's a huge uh uh wow there's only five strike against it rgt's that came to the us

i have solar uh three of them really well no i sold the same one three times oh oh that doesn't

that one had air conditioning i think the last time i sold it was for like 85 grand

well because they used to maybe 90 because they used to just kind of be in line with gt3 prices

and well because you couldn't it was really hard to sell people on why it was better than a gt3

no this one has air conditioning i think it's the good angle okay that was so that one is a

funky funky color like funky like red in tan in full leather interior it's it looks awesome i'd be

all over that car for 150 grand but not a quarter mil because for that i'll just buy a 996 gt3

yeah i think those are pretty good if anything they took the 996 front end if it was possible and

made it worse they did i love the rgt but they missed on the front end why did you take a very

curvaceous car and put big squares rectangles in the front bumper for vents like it doesn't flow

but i do love this color the interior suite i think it's gonna i don't know roofs are so hot

all right well that brings us to the props and flops brought to you by switchcars i said this

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Doug what do we have for a pick of the week well we don't have much left because we've

been selling cars faster than we can restock them so i had to check stock right before we

went to recording with this 2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R the third in the holy trinity of Cobra

R's 93 Fox body 95 SN95 and 2000 new edge Cobra R with the most bonkers hood design i think on

any car of this era be lying what is underneath 2150 miles it has the coveted R book the pirate

manual R book and yeah it's a really nice car so that one is a super awesome thing and it doesn't

have a fuel cell like the 95 so you don't have to maintain that but anyway our flop of the week

Ford is now charging Mustang Mach E's customers to use the front trunk Doug that sounds like click

bait please explain no that's not click bait so they apparently found out through some study or

maybe just through i don't know everything's electronic so they just have data on how many

times people open the front trunk but they found that people weren't using the front trunk so

they're like okay well we're just not going to put the liner in and we're going to decrease the price

but they only decreased the price of $185 and then added 495 to the option so it still costs you $300

more or whatever to use the front trunk so if you want to use the front trunk that they previously

installed the standard it's $500 how much money could they possibly be making from these companies

would squeeze blood from a rock if they could well the irony is like good luck selling the Mach E in

I don't know if this is a this is an additional flop apparently I've got to verify this because I heard

this apparently Hertz struck a deal to buy a bunch of Mach E's and bring back like the Shelby Mach E

thing are they gonna paint them black with gold stripes yes oh yes come on oh this is old news

why is this oh this is very old news I'm sorry I'm not even with it

well they could Hertz couldn't even sell them Hertz slashes prices on their special Shelby

Mustang Mach E someone just 3000 miles so they couldn't even they they took what an awesome

heritage of the rent eraser and slapped the friggin gold stripes on an electric car because Ford

couldn't sell them and now Hertz can't sell them either Hertz so good yep boy these look terrible

prop of the week honestly I just have to do a shout out to both Paradise Region Gruppe and

DuPont Registry for hosting myself Arnie and Ed and the Cannonball cars at Cars on Fifth in Naples

that's a fantastic car show that I've heard about many many times I feel like everybody in Northeast

Ohio has a second home in Naples well everybody with means anyway and I've everybody's asked me if

I'm going ever been there pretty awesome car show with some amazing cars like 25 30 000 spectators

and they parked our Cannonball cars right in the midst of all the Ferraris nice which actually

perturbed some Ferrari owners which is hilarious this is just a silver passenger car but I dude

they made us feel like rock stars it was so much fun Arnie and I got to pick best of show for the

Porsche group and we passed by all of the paint sample 992 GT3 RS's there were many as there are

and we picked a 1974 911 outlaw build car that was really really well done so but anyway that was

just thank you to them that is a fantastic show lots of different like VIP areas and food and

just some real heavy hitter cars and cool events around a hangar party the night before

they inducted Miles Collier into the automotive hall of fame and yeah awesome awesome weekend

so if you want to excuse to take your wife to Florida and then also oh look at that there's

a car show well it's a great weekend usually it's very very warm it was a little cooler this time

it did get up to 75 degrees but it was down to 40 at night but anyway so not typical Florida weather

but fantastic event nonetheless and we really appreciate them featuring the fraud tourists in

the Ferrari row so I guess I got to manually read the closing because we're back to our like

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