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Welcome to this weekend drive edition of Daily Drive for the fifth week of August 2025.
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I'm Kellan Walker in Las Vegas, we're breaking down some of the biggest stories in the
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auto industry from the past week and looking forward to what's in store in the days ahead.
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Today, I'm joined by two of my automotive news colleagues, Michael Martinez covers Ford
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and the UAW, Mike, welcome back to weekend drive.
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Thanks for having me.
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And Molly Boygon covers tech and innovation for automotive news, Molly, welcome back.
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All right, so let's get started.
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So our own Richard Truett reported earlier this week about a possible bombshell in
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the EU's trade framework with the US, one sentence in the document seems to say that
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the US and EU would accept each other's vehicle safety and emissions standards under a deal.
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Now Mike, what are some of the potential issues and could this result in lower safety
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and environmental protections?
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Well, Kell, there's about a million and one potential issues here.
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There's a lot we don't really know, although I still think this is absolutely fascinating
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and a potential massive development, right?
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Because for so long, people groups have been trying to harmonize the standards between the
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US and Europe costs automakers hundreds of millions of dollars to retrofit to modify
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their vehicles if they want to export them to sell them in the different markets.
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The safety standards, the emissions standards are so different.
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I think here in the US, we care more about the drivers, the people actually in the
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The US sort of cares more about the pedestrians in case of a crash.
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So if a Ford or a GM wants to export big trucks, say they need to add things like external
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airbags or collapsible hoods, if Europeans are trying to import vehicles here, they need
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to add beefier bumpers and more sensors, especially for rear end collisions, because we seem
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to care more about that.
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The emissions are different.
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So if the automakers don't have to spend all that money modifying their vehicles and the
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same standards are accepted, I think the jargony term is a non-tariff barrier to trade.
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This is a non-tariff barrier to trade.
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If you take that away, there could be more incentive to see more F-150s or Silverados
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But the question is, do people actually want that?
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You saw a decade ago when Sergio Marchioni tried to bring Fiat to the US.
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They did not sell well at all, those smaller European cars.
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Obviously, there was a lot of issues there in terms of the emissions regulations that
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were losing money on every car they sold.
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So different situation today.
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But the question remains, do Americans want European cars?
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Do Europeans want American cars?
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Who knows how exactly these regulations will play out?
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If it all works out, it sort of levels that playing field.
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It reduces some cost and time for the car companies.
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And in theory, it would make customers happier because they'll have more choice.
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And that's always a good thing.
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Well, Mike, how might automakers redesign cars to meet both the US and EU markets?
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Well, that's the thing.
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They wouldn't have to redesign their cars and they wouldn't have to spend all
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that money, modify those these sort of third party modifiers wouldn't have
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to become involved, customers wouldn't have to pay all that extra money.
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So that would be the game changer, Cal, is that you could in theory,
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if this all works out how we think it might, you could sell an F-150,
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a Ram 1500 without much change.
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You could bring in for the American market.
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This could be important.
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You could bring in smaller European cars in an age where affordabilities
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and issue range even for gas vehicles is important.
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People want to go further on a tank of gas because it can cost a lot of money to fill up.
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They may be more likely to buy those smaller vehicles.
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And again, you wouldn't need to change too much.
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Well, we usually don't think of Ford as a major exporter to Europe.
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But how could this affect Ford also?
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Well, it depends on what model you're talking about, right?
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The Mustang sells well anywhere in the world where it's sold.
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But, you know, again, it could give Ford more incentive
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to shop its larger products in more markets.
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They obviously have plenty of plants in Europe and elsewhere overseas
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that serve those markets, but, you know, you could see in theory.
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I don't know if you'll see too many F-350s, F-450s rolling down
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these sort of very old and small roads in Germany or France or wherever.
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Yeah, that doesn't make much sense.
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But in theory, they could.
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They could have an easier time selling them.
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And if that's what people want, so be it.
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Interesting. Now, Molly, if listeners think they finally got a handle
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on which auto parts are affected by tariffs, you wrote a story this week
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that will probably completely burst their bubble.
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You write that more auto parts may soon be added to the list.
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Now, why will parts manufacturers be able to request components
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to be added to the tariff list and how will they do this?
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That's right. I hate to burst people's bubbles, but there was a provision
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of the original auto parts tariff proclamation that the government
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would release a procedure for auto parts manufacturers to be able
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to add tariffs to the list and specifically to add parts to the list
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of components or goods receiving tariffs.
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So the reason why the government did this is because it's creating
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an avenue for manufacturers who feel like maybe an important product
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for which the US has a competitive disadvantage has been left off the list.
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It's an opportunity for those manufacturers to try and sort of seek
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extra protection for their own operations.
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Now, what impact will this have on the auto industry?
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So the procedure was published.
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The government still has to publish it in the federal register
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and there will be periodic two week windows whereby manufacturers can submit
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ideas to the government for new parts to be added to the tariff schedule.
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However, the government's been delayed in posting that to the federal register.
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So we haven't seen any of this yet.
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For me, I think the thing that this will really highlight
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is the different ways that parts manufacturers versus vehicles manufacturers
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are thinking about the tariffs.
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You know, the vehicle manufacturers are eating a lot of the tariff cost
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and thinking about basically how to keep costs down and manage manage those extra expenses.
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And then you have this procedure highlighting the ways in which auto parts
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manufacturers may be actually seeking to add additional parts to the list
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and sort of protect their own operations and manufacturing from foreign competition.
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So that's I think it may if parts manufacturers take the government up
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on this offer sort of highlight the tension around that dynamic.
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Kel, I would just have one thing to add that I cannot wait to see the ramifications
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of this because the pettiness is going to be off the charts.
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And you see that you see that with the automakers, right?
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And you talk about Ford and GM, these two Detroit rivals.
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There were some strong insinuations that it was GM
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who was sort of lobbying against what Ford was doing with this Marshall battery
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plant using sort of Chinese technology and they were running into some roadblocks.
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There were some some rumblings that GM was the one
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alerting the government and cautioning the government against what Ford was doing.
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So I can only imagine what automakers, what rival suppliers will do
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to try to get that leg up on each other when these rules
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when they're allowed to, you know, submit this stuff to the government.
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That's a really good point.
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And interestingly, the original tariff proclamation said
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the government would create a process for auto parts manufacturers,
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vehicle manufacturers and industry groups to submit these goods
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for consideration to be added to the tariff schedule.
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The procedure only is for auto parts manufacturers at this point.
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So I think that I mean, I don't know for sure this is purely conjecture,
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but I think Mike raises a really good point that perhaps the government
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is still working out ways to prevent intercompany competition
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from sort of bleeding into this process.
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So they're holding off on the procedure for the auto parts manufacturers.
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This is so interesting.
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I just I feel like this whole auto parts tariffs thing,
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this could turn into a really, really good Netflix documentary.
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So coming up as part of our centennial celebration this week
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at Automotive News, Mike took a look at our coverage of labor
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and the UAW over the past 100 years.
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I'm Kellen Walker with Automotive News staff reporters
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Molly Boygon and Mike Martinez.
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Mike, you wrote a piece this week about our coverage
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of the UAW and labor movements over the past century
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as part of Automotive News's 100th birthday,
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which we celebrated this week.
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When you went back through our issues from decades ago,
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what were some of the things that stood out to you
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about our coverage of the early days of the UAW?
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Yeah, Kell, it was honestly pretty wild
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to see how automotive daily news at the time covered the UAW.
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The first mention of it was two days after its founding.
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It was a Wednesday, August 28, 1935.
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There was a two sentence brief
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in the bottom right hand corner of the paper.
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It did make the front page, but barely thought that was interesting.
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And it quoted somebody as saying this union was meant
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to help employees share in the wealth of the industry.
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But, you know, I'll be honest with you,
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it seemed in those early days we were a little slanted in our coverage.
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And I hate to say it, you know, I'm a proud, proud employee here.
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But it was really geared more towards the companies
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in those early days, the famous Battle of the Overpass,
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where future president of the UAW, Walter Ruther,
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and some union members were attempting to pass out flyers
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near Ford's Rouge plant.
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They were beaten up pretty severely by company goons,
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security guards, Harry Bennett and others
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within an inch of their life, basically,
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in some instances for some of these people.
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The only mention of the Battle of the Overpass in automotive news
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was a few days later, a small story on page two.
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The headline was Ford production normal, despite UAW disturbance.
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We quoted we quoted Henry Ford blaming the issue
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on newspaper sensationalism.
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So fake news was a thing.
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There was there were some a whole lot of communist fear.
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Montgrain, I think, is the best way to put it during the Flint
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There was a photo we ran one day of one of the strikers
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and one had their fist in the air.
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So the caption in all caps was, is this Moscow?
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So there are some interesting findings.
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But, you know, it did go to show you our coverage has evolved.
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But the union has played a major role in the industry,
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you know, for its 90 years.
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You also touched on how the industries played a role
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even outside the auto industry.
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What were some of the highlights that you were able to find there?
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Yeah, Molly, you know, it's really interesting because basically
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a lot of the things we even enjoy as journalists
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or most workers enjoy no matter what sector you're in,
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you can trace it back to the UAW or a union
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that had to fight sometimes literally to win that benefit for you.
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And I'm talking pensions, health care, paid time off.
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Weekends free, a certain set number of hours, annual raises.
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Those are all things the UAW one in its early contracts
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with the Detroit three after the fights to become recognized there.
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And even beyond the auto industry,
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it played an important role shaping American politics.
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Early civil rights issues.
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Walter Ruther spoke at the March on Washington
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where MLK gave his I have a dream speech.
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The UAW was prominent in its support of Nelson Mandela
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in the fight against apartheid in South Africa.
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Nelson Mandela came to Detroit in 1990.
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He had one of those fancy satin jackets with the UAW wheel on it.
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And he thanked the union.
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So its impact has really extended beyond the industry
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in terms of benefits, but also just in terms of social impact issues.
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Yeah. And some of those issues came into stark relief
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during the Great Recession of 2009.
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How did that impact the union?
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And did it ever fully recover from some of those challenges?
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The short answer is no, because the union had to give up a lot
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to help the companies remain financially solvent.
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Obviously, Chrysler and GM still went bankrupt.
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Despite what the UAW did, there were a lot of givebacks
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from what had gained over the years.
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And you can argue whether or not some of that stuff was fair
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or good for a business whose job it is to make money to have.
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There was one of the most controversial elements is the Jobs Bank.
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There was a benefit the UAW, I think it was 84 when they won that.
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Essentially, if you were laid off, an auto worker who was laid off,
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you could still make almost your entire paycheck.
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You get thrown into this Jobs Bank
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and you basically sat around and twiddled your thumbs
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and got your full paycheck almost for being laid off.
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Probably not the best thing to have if you're a business.
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The union had to get rid of it.
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They're still trying to win it back today.
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The chances aren't that great, honestly.
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But then you look at things like different tiers of workers,
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new hires getting paid significantly less than legacy workers.
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Those new hires no longer receiving pensions.
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The older workers still got them.
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The elimination of cost of living adjustments.
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So we just saw in 2023, the union wins some of that back,
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not all of it, but some of it.
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So to this day, they are still fighting to recover from what they lost.
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But you could argue, did they need everything back then?
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If you're a Ford or a GM, you're probably way better off
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to not have those sort of burdensome costs on your books.
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Well, Mike, you know, this question right here was coming
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because we cannot talk about the UAW
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without mentioning the corruption scandal.
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The 2017 federal investigation exposed numerous union officials.
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Now, has its members regained the trust
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of new union leadership under Sean Fane?
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You know, I'm not sure that they have largely
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because of some controversy under Sean Fane.
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The result of that corruption scandal was that the UAW was placed
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under a six year consent decree with oversight from a federal monitor.
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And that monitor is looking into some choices.
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Sean Fane personnel choices Sean Fane made and stripping some
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some secretary treasurer and VP of some key assignments.
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And the perception, I think, is still there that, hey,
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maybe this union isn't necessarily clean.
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Now, obviously, there's been no criminal allegations
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A lot of what the monitor is looking at is still under investigation.
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But just the perception that everything isn't on the up and up
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still hurts some members that there was a lot of trust lost
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in that corruption scandal to presidents went to jail.
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Wow. It was the worst thing you can think of because
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what was found to have happened was that these criminals were stealing money
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from the members, dues, money, sacred dues, money
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to fund this lavish lifestyle, thousands of dollars in cigars
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and fancy golf trips in Palm Springs and this really expensive liquor
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and fancy, I remember Mont Blanc pens were part of this at some point.
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So the union is all about solidarity.
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It's all about being there for your brothers and sisters
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and to have that betrayal of trust was really, really tough on the membership.
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And it's going to take a long time to gain back that trust.
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Wow. Well, good stuff.
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Molly, Mike, thank you so much for joining me.
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Thanks, Cal. Thanks.
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That's all for this weekend drive edition of Daily Drive.
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