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Banks SCREWED The Car Market (SCARY DATA) | Episode 1086

Banks SCREWED The Car Market (SCARY DATA) | Episode 1086

CarEdge Live Jun 09, 2026 28 min
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About this episode

Banks’ auto-lending “most valuable borrower” charts raise red flags: high-rate borrowers often aren’t “perfect,” and Santander’s split is especially grim, even after a California settlement and promised underwriting changes. The hosts connect rising delinquency with negative equity and walk through a live example where subprime rates and long terms turn a ~$30k deal into ~$805/month and nearly $20k in interest. They then share tactics for underwater borrowers: stay current, pay extra principal, avoid rolling debt, and get pre-approval.

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Term

MVB, most valuable borrower

"MVB, most valuable borrower. We're not talking about the basketball game last night. We're talking about banks."

Banks sometimes sort borrowers into groups. “Most valuable borrower” means the bank thinks that person is more likely to pay on time, so the loan is safer for the bank.

Concept

auto lending

"In auto lending, borrowers classified as higher risk by lenders and therefore offered high interest rate loans, for example, 12% more or more, who then deliver by never becoming delinquent or a lender's most valuable, excuse me, borrowers."

Auto lending is how people get money to buy a car. A bank lends the money and the buyer pays it back over time, usually with interest.

Term

higher risk

"In auto lending, borrowers classified as higher risk by lenders and therefore offered high interest rate loans, for example, 12% more or more, who then deliver by never becoming delinquent or a lender's most valuable, excuse me, borrowers."

“Higher risk” means the bank thinks the borrower is more likely to have trouble paying. To protect itself, the bank may charge a higher interest rate.

Term

interest rate loans

"In auto lending, borrowers classified as higher risk by lenders and therefore offered high interest rate loans, for example, 12% more or more, who then deliver by never becoming delinquent or a lender's most valuable, excuse me, borrowers."

An interest rate loan is a loan where you pay extra money on top of what you borrowed. The interest rate is the percentage that determines how much extra you pay.

Term

subsidize losses

"From the lender's perspective, these borrowers effectively subsidize losses from those who default."

“Subsidize losses” means one set of borrowers’ payments help cover money the bank loses from other borrowers. It’s like one group’s extra cost is used to absorb someone else’s failure to pay.

Term

36 months of performance history

"The chart below shows the percentage of 12% or plus interest rate auto loans with at least 36 months of performance history that never went delinquent at any month end."

“Performance history” means how the loan has gone over time. “36 months” is a long track record showing whether payments stayed on time for years.

Car

Dodge Omni

"...round 30%. Look at Exeter, Dad, almost 20%, World Omni, 20%, General Motors. More than 80% of the people..."

The Dodge Omni is a small hatchback car made for everyday driving. It was designed to be affordable and easy to live with, especially for people who needed a practical car. It might be mentioned because it was a common choice in its time.

Company

Ally

"But what is Ally doing where they can convince people that they should go into high interest rate loans that they can obviously pay off? ... But I am fascinated as to what the pitch is for Ally to get what they get."

Ally is a company that lends money for things like cars. The host is basically asking why Ally pushes loans with high interest rates and how they convince people to take them.

Term

fiduciary responsibility

"Yeah, is there like some form of ether being pumped into the loan office as they're going through the rates and everything and that people are just kind of a little woozy and go, yeah, 14% sounds damn good to me. ... You know, one of the things that I would say occasionally to banks when we had somebody that had somewhat questionable credit history is you have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders"

A “fiduciary responsibility” is a duty to make decisions that protect someone else’s interests. Here, the host is saying banks have a duty to their shareholders to carefully evaluate risky borrowers.

Term

credit history

"You know, one of the things that I would say occasionally to banks when we had somebody that had somewhat questionable credit history is you have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to take a much closer look at this particular borrower because, well, his history or her history suggests that, you know, they're going to fall 30 maybe 45 days late occasionally"

“Credit history” is a record of whether someone has paid past loans on time. In this segment, the host is saying a borrower’s credit history helps predict how often they’ll be late on payments.

Term

late payments

"his history or her history suggests that, you know, they're going to fall 30 maybe 45 days late occasionally, and they're going to be paying you extra interest for those late payments. They're going to make all their payments just maybe not as timely as they should."

“Late payments” are when you pay after the due date. The host is arguing that even if borrowers don’t default, being late can still cost them more money in interest.

Term

extra interest

"late occasionally, and they're going to be paying you extra interest for those late payments. They're going to make all their payments just maybe not as timely as they should. And so all that extra interest adds up"

“Extra interest” means you end up paying more money to the lender than you would if you paid on time. The host is suggesting that late payments can make the loan more profitable for the bank.

Company

Santander

"So Santander, yes, 85% of the people Santander put into these high interest rate loans go delinquent at some point in time, or another Santander is also the exact same company that"

Santander is a big lending company. Here, the host is saying that many people Santander financed with high-interest loans end up missing payments.

Place

California

"was caught up in this half billion dollar settlement in the state of California back in 2020... after having paid a $550 million settlement in the state of California..."

California is where the legal settlement happened. The hosts use it to show that the lender was ordered to change practices starting from that time.

Term

subprime credit

"The settlement resolves allegations that Santander violated consumer protection laws by placing borrowers with subprime credit into auto loans and new carried in unacceptably high probability of default."

Subprime credit means the borrower’s credit history isn’t great. Lenders see them as more likely to have trouble paying the loan back, so the risk of missing payments is higher.

Term

auto loans

"The settlement resolves allegations that Santander violated consumer protection laws by placing borrowers with subprime credit into auto loans and new carried in unacceptably high probability of default."

An auto loan is money a lender gives you to buy a car, and you pay it back over time with monthly payments. If people fall behind, it shows up as delinquency or default.

Term

default

"Santander violated consumer protection laws by placing borrowers with subprime credit into auto loans and new carried in unacceptably high probability of default."

Default is when a borrower doesn’t make the required payments on time and the loan goes into failure status. It’s the end result of delinquency for many borrowers.

Term

underwriting practices

"Santander has also agreed to injunctive terms that make important changes to its underwriting practices."

Underwriting is how a lender decides whether you qualify for a loan. It includes checking your credit and deciding if the loan is a good risk.

Term

injunctive terms

"Santander has also agreed to injunctive terms that make important changes to its underwriting practices."

Injunctive terms are legal orders that require a company to change what it does. In this case, it’s about changing how loans are approved.

Term

MVBs

"Probably wasn't that ally. Ally has really good MVBs, most valuable borrower. Santander is the polar opposite."

“MVBs” here means “most valuable borrowers,” or the customers lenders see as the safest to lend to. The host uses it to contrast Santander’s approach with a lender that targets better-credit customers.

Term

subprime delinquency rates

"When you look at that yellow line, those are subprime delinquency rates versus blue, which is prime."

This is a statistic showing how frequently people with weaker credit miss their auto-loan payments. Higher delinquency rates mean more borrowers are falling behind.

Place

Massachusetts

"or the more recent settlement that we had in the state of Massachusetts. It was $27 million."

Massachusetts is mentioned as another state where a settlement happened. The host uses it as additional evidence that lenders faced legal scrutiny in more than one place.

Company

Credit Acceptance Corporation

"And this was for Credit Acceptance Corporation. You could see here, it was the same idea, subprime is the focus."

Credit Acceptance Corporation is a company that provides car loans. In this discussion, it’s mentioned as an example of lenders that may approve loans for people who later struggle to pay.

Term

auto loan delinquency rates

"we haven't talked about in a little while, Dad, but auto loan delinquency rates going up also correlates really well with negative equity."

This is a measure of how many people are late on their car loan payments. If the number goes up, it usually means more borrowers are having trouble paying their bills.

Term

negative equity

"auto loan delinquency rates going up also correlates really well with negative equity. Card debt grows deeper as a loan term stretch wider."

Negative equity means you still owe more money on the car than it’s worth. So if you try to sell or trade it, the sale price won’t pay off the loan.

Term

loan term

"Card debt grows deeper as a loan term stretch wider. So there's this interesting phenomena going on right now, which is, these banks approve auto loans,"

A loan term is how long you have to pay back the loan. Longer terms can make the monthly payment smaller, but you may pay more overall and be more exposed if things go wrong.

Concept

pre-approved

"And then they end up in a really precarious position. It's a good reminder to everyone in our community, get pre-approved before you go to a car dealership to rely on them for financing."

Pre-approved financing means a bank has already checked you and agreed to lend you money before you shop at the dealership. That can help you avoid getting pushed into a bad deal just because you were approved at the dealership.

Brand

GM

"Well, you look at Santander, GM, and you can look at others, Credit Acceptance Corporation, and we know that for years they"

GM is General Motors. In this segment it’s brought up as part of the broader car-buying and financing system the hosts are criticizing.

Concept

mortgage crisis revisited

"It is, you know, the mortgage crisis revisited where if there was a time, if a customer could walk in and they could fog a mirror showing that they were still breathing, that a bank would approve them for a mortgage or a car loan."

The host is comparing today’s auto-loan problems to the 2008 mortgage crisis. The idea is that lenders took on too much risk by approving loans that borrowers couldn’t afford.

Concept

great recession

"And then we had the great recession, and it became almost impossible, even for people with really good credit, to get approved for loans, whether it be mortgages, whether it be car loans."

The Great Recession was a big economic crash around 2008–2009. The host says after that, it became much harder to get approved for loans, even if your credit was good.

Term

delinquent

"percentage of those borrowers by bank that never go delinquent... Ally... never go delinquent, meaning they made a boatload of money off of them."

Delinquent means you’re behind on your car loan payments. The host is using it to compare which lenders’ borrowers tend to struggle more.

Car

trailblazer

"One of the first vehicles here is a trailblazer that's $30,000. That's not unaffordable, but let's go through a few more options for work... the dealer is asking $29,425."

The Chevrolet Trailblazer is an SUV model. The host is using it as an example of a car that might look affordable at the price tag, but could be hard to afford depending on the loan payment and interest rate.

Concept

monthly payment perspective

"What does that convert into from a monthly payment perspective for a borrower? Let me pull that up. Car payment calculator."

Instead of looking only at the car’s price, this means looking at what you’d pay each month. The host is about to use a calculator to estimate the monthly cost for a borrower.

Car

Fiat 600

"...t 84 months, but then you're going to be into the 600s. So no wonder people end up, yeah, there you go, ..."

The Fiat 600 is a small car that was made to be affordable and practical. Because it’s a compact design, it’s known for using space efficiently. It may be mentioned in the podcast when talking about how long people keep cars or how older models remain in use.

Concept

credit score

"Continue to make all the payments in a timely manner so you can build up your credit score. Pay ahead a little bit every month."

Your credit score is a number lenders use to decide how risky you are. Paying your bills on time can help your score, which can make it easier to get better loan terms later.

Term

principal payments

"Pay ahead a little bit every month. Make minor principal payments to bring the interest charges down and so that you can pay it off sooner."

Your car loan has two parts: the amount you borrowed and the interest. Principal payments go toward paying down the amount you borrowed, which helps you get out of debt faster.

Term

interest charges

"Make minor principal payments to bring the interest charges down and so that you can pay it off sooner. Resist your urge to have to have something newer, better, sooner, okay?"

Interest charges are what the lender charges you for borrowing the money. If you pay down the loan balance faster, you usually pay less interest overall.

Term

pre-approval

"If I may, always get a pre-approval [1495.9s] before you purchase any vehicles that you have leveraged when negotiating in the finance office."

Pre-approval is when a bank or lender agrees to lend you money for a car before you go shopping. It can help you get a better deal and avoid surprises at the dealership.

Topic

driving in the Alps

"Pops, that's time of year again. Headed to Europe for a week driving in the Alps. [1515.9s] The Stelvio can't say that."

They’re talking about taking a trip to drive in the Alps. Mountain roads are tough on a car, but here it’s mainly about the trip plans and excitement.

Car

Alfa Romeo Stelvio

"Pops, that's time of year again. Headed to Europe for a week driving in the Alps. [1515.9s] The Stelvio can't say that."

“Stelvio” is the name of an Alfa Romeo SUV. They’re mentioning it in the conversation as the car that isn’t going on the Alps trip.

Car

1930 Duesenberg Model J

"Check out the 1930 Duesenberg Model J. This is what pops drove back in his mafia days when he [1575.9s] was known as Ray the Slayer."

The 1930 Duesenberg Model J is an old-school American luxury car that’s famous for being extremely high-end and powerful for its time. People still talk about it today because it’s one of the most iconic “collector” cars ever made.

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