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We're starting by laughing this episode. Welcome back to the podcast. Happy Tuesday.

We're starting with laughter because we have so many great things to talk about,

so much fun to have, and some fun photos to share, and there's so many things. One of the

things we're going to talk about in a minute, we're going to talk about the whole Ferrari

interior thing, and I cannot wait to get your thoughts there. We have good news up front,

lots of varied news up front. We have everything, a good, cool topic Tuesday on revived name

plates, and I know why this got asked, and I'm going to touch on that too. We're going to talk

about all the events we have coming up, two good car debates, probably get to car conclusions,

but it really depends on how far into the rest of this we get, and then we have questions from

you as well. So there's a lot we're going to dive right in, but I have to give a celebratory moment

for me. I'm so excited. It only took a year. Season 12, which is stuff from a little while back,

is stuff after TV ended for us. We were on TV, we're on Motor Trend Cable Channel,

until that decided to kind of take a slide, and now it kind of no longer exists. So we were off

of there starting in about 2024, and I have been working to get our updated stuff from YouTube,

some of our biggest stuff to still get that on Amazon, and I won't bore you with all of the stuff,

but it only took a year to actually get through Amazon's upload process. And of course, we have

plenty of stuff on Amazon already, all of our first 11 seasons, but I did what is called season 12,

but it's longer than the stuff on the TV seasons. We've got a couple of one hour pieces up there.

Our South Dakota trip is up there, which is awesome. It's actually one of my favorite road

trips I've ever done, as is price of fun. I love price of fun. So I'm excited for you,

and I'm excited for you guys to be able to see it on Amazon. So that has finally gotten through

all the approvals and it's up. I'm mentioning it not because it doesn't exist elsewhere. It exists

right here on this channel, but because for reasons I don't understand, but I'm thankful,

I have to send a super heavy duty master to Amazon, like super high quality master,

much higher than I send to YouTube, and then Amazon takes it and does the compression themselves.

And anytime I've watched our stuff on Amazon Prime, it's looked better than anywhere else.

So this is where to watch our big stuff, that's the point, and have it look awesome,

and have it look like TV. And my hope also, and as this happened, many of you have mentioned this,

is that you'll be watching something else on Amazon, and it'll just show it to you as you

might like this. And people have found our show that way. And I'm thrilled by that. I hope that

continues. It's bummed me out for literally like the past year. I keep kind of pinging because

I'm talking to a monolith. Like I have a question is like, where the phone doesn't ring at Amazon,

Microsoft. So anyway, but thankfully, look, I finally got somebody very helpful, genuinely,

very helpful in the help area. It took a while. And they were like, we'll fix these things. And

I got it fixed. So it's up so you can watch season 12 right now on Amazon. It does cost a little

bit of money. But we appreciate that support immensely, because as you probably heard from

all of the people you follow, YouTube is getting harder and harder to make any money off of. But

we're glad to be there as well. Thank you guys for watching, for listening. We are thrilled by that.

Let's get into other news that has nothing to do with us, but it's sure fun to talk about.

Let's do it. Well, I want to start out with filmmaking and related to directly to F1,

because you might have seen the Cadillac F1 livery has been revealed, I think at this point

for 2026, all F1 teams have revealed their livery, including Cadillac. But apparently,

Michael Bay sued Cadillac F1 team because they had consulted him for ideas on how to reveal the

car properly, but ended up not going with him. So I guess my question as a filmmaker, as you are,

how does one go about determining that, well, you stole my ideas, or you didn't use my ideas,

and you went in a different direction? Because, of course, there's two different stories. It was,

we consulted you first, we ended up going a different direction, there will probably be a

settlement 1.5 million for Michael Bay, I think falls out of his pockets because he, yes, it's

so it comes down to principle, it's not about the money, it's about the principle of things.

And so, protecting ideas before they're actually shot while you're discussing, and was he actually

hired? Do you know the story here? Was he actually hired before they actually went and shot the reveal

video to reveal during the Super Bowl? Look, I have no inside information here, but I'll

give you what from what I've read and what I understand, I'll tell you what I think. Okay,

that's as far as I can go. Cadillac is saying they had an ad agency and an idea before they

talked to Michael Bay, and that they executed a variation of their idea post talking to Michael

Bay, so they are, quote, disappointed that he's suing. Right, I read that part. The reality is

this is going to go into some sort of arbitration, and it'll probably wind up somewhere between

what Michael Bay wants and what Cadillac wants, and this is, for lack of a better way to put it,

this is pissing on your territory. That's what this is about, okay? This is saying,

hey, I was consulted, and look, Michael Bay came out of Art Center where you went to school,

and he was instantly wildly successful as a car commercial director. That's actually the stuff

I think to this day, if you look at his films, like The Island is a great example, which a movie

not a lot of people have seen, phenomenal car chase scene in there. He shoots car chases,

this is why he's good at shooting the Transformers movies. Anytime he's shooting car chases,

they're phenomenally well done. Pepsi commercials too? He's done Pepsi, he's done BMW, he's done a

lot of stuff, really, really high-end car chases. He does really, really well. It makes sense to

ask him. The problem in Hollywood, I had a friend of mine tell me once, and this made my blood run

cold until it happened to me, he said, you're not successful in Hollywood until somebody sues you.

And I was like, what a terrible way to have an outlook. But there's a lot of lawsuits flying

around in Hollywood in general, and they always end up falling in some level of arbitration. So

this will go somewhere, we'll see what it was. But I mean, he didn't actually direct the commercial,

and this gets back to your question. Right. Ideas are almost impossible to defend in court.

I mean, it's an idea. We had a conversation, we threw ideas around, that's great, that's great,

no, let's do something different. And then, well, who owns that? How can you defend against it? It

wasn't in writing, and it wasn't a contract. Execution can be defended in court. Ideas cannot.

And so a conversation you had at a table, unless somebody's got a transcript that they can pull

out is going to be next to impossible. Now, what happens in like things like screenplays, okay,

is if you can show something unique to your idea, let me rephrase, unique to your execution,

that would not have come out of somebody having, seeing your execution, that winds up in somebody

else's work, you can win. And I'll give you one of the best examples that I can think of off the

top of my head, there was a movie, it's 20 plus years ago now, but called Amistad. Okay, was this

a slave slave ship? Okay, remember, there was a lawsuit, because there was an original writer,

and I forget her name, but there was an original writer with that idea that submitted it to

Steven Spielberg's company. All right. And after Amistad came out, and it was after the movie

came out, she sued that ideas from her script had been taken for the movie Amistad. Now,

Amistad was a historical thing. Okay, so amblin entertainment, universal, whoever it was,

actually got sued said, look, this is a historical thing. But she won. And here's why.

Because in her script, that Spielberg and others claim they'd never read, but somebody

at amblin had read, in her script, there was a emancipated black lawyer who in the movie was

played by Morgan Freeman. Okay, that person didn't exist in history. She made him up in her version.

Okay. So since her script had that version, she had proof that it had been sent to his

production company before he made the movie. And they made a historical film that claimed to have

no awareness of her thing, but had that character, that's why she won. Because you could see that

it was able to connective tissue to be like, that was executed a specific way, and you took it.

Okay, that's very, very hard to prove. I think Michael Bay is blatant in that example. Exactly.

I think Michael Bay is out on a limb here, but he'll probably get some money as just go away.

On the other hand, in Michael Bay's defense, he has influenced filmmaking for completely

dramatically. Of course. There is a Michael Bay effect. You can blow something up in the

background. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, his name. Yeah, for sure. Most people don't know that the

director's name of commercials or films. True, true, true. They know the main actor. They know

Tom Cruise. Yep. They know Matt Damon. Yep. They know the big name actors, whoever that is,

generally speaking, but to know directors and to get it, that means you're kind of into that,

you know, a little bit, and he has definitely created that. And so in his defense,

I would have preferred the Cadillac F1 team to go forward with Michael Bay because I think the

reveal would have been better. I thought it was fine, but I don't know for the amount of production

that probably went into it. I think it was just okay. The car looks great. It looks pretty cool.

Taken off like Rocket and then some CG and then, okay, we spun around the car.

I think Michael Bay could have done a better job personally. We'll see. I speak for me. Yeah,

there's no way to know. This is one of those lawsuits that was splashy page one stuff now and

will die on the back page. I want a bad boy spinning up around and, you know, the cool.

Yeah, I'm speaking for me. The second part of this is about Formula One, the movie being nominated

for four Oscars. I usually don't pay attention to Oscars, including Best Picture.

Yes, I'm sorry. What? Well, I hate to say it this way, but I'm sorry. A few years back,

it's been a little while ago, but a few years back, they expanded the Best Picture nomination

option to 10. And they did that in order to allow movies like F1, which aren't they're not

prestige Oscar winning movies, but they were successful movies to allow movies like that to

wind up listed for Best Picture because they know that'll make more people watch the Oscars.

This is an actual ploy. So typically now what you find because there's 10 available and not

all 10 always can fill. They doubled them, right? Yeah, four or five. So they doubled it. And so

the reality is they don't always do 10. They have to get submitted by producers. But you've got Jerry

Brockheimer. Jerry Brockheimer is not known for making. I mean, he's a Michael Bay producer.

He's not known for making Oscar winning films. But by putting F1 there, I mean, literally,

I'll get cynical. This is the reality by having F1 nominated for Best Picture. Folks that don't

care about any other movie nominated might watch and folks that would be me. Exactly. And and

folks go, Oh, that means Brad Pitt will be there. They can count on Brad Pitt being there because

he's a producer. But you know what I'm saying? He's a producer. So Brad Pitt will come. I mean,

that's the thing. There is a reality to this. This is the same reason you nominate like a Mission

Impossible movie for special effects because Tom Cruise is a producer. I mean, but but Best

Picture, your producers get get nominated. So Brad Pitt's a producer. Tom Cruise is a producer.

So this is the thing. They expanded the reality so that you end up with people that and movies that

people care about in mass, mass success, right, right, wind up nominated for Oscars and they

wouldn't have otherwise. So that's why they did it. But slim chance that this will win Best Picture,

but to be able to say that it's nominated is a better, I guess, a bigger, better honor.

Because there's a second one coming, a sequel coming. Yes, which I heard somebody online joke,

please, please call it F2, which made me laugh. But we stepped down. But it's the second movie,

but we stepped down. I'll stay in Oscars for a second because this is there's a funny thing

that's happened as a result of going to 10. They've also changed the voting style. You used to just

vote, I think X should be Best Picture. Okay, okay. But now they require you to rank your one

through 10. So what's interesting is there's been a few that give them what information because they

end up with the movie and I don't remember the name for it, but they end up with the movie with

the highest total potential score of all the votes. You may be the movie that everybody thought was

the second place runner for Best Picture or third place runner for best everybody said that movie

should be that's third most likely to win. But one in two constantly changed. The movie that's

in number three will win because averaging out all of the votes, it wins. There's been multiple

movies. One of the most debated was the movie Green Book a few years back, one Best Picture.

And everybody went, why on earth? But it was because in consensus voting, it was the average

highest. There were much more critically acclaimed movies ahead of it, but not everybody liked those

movies. So this is the other thing that happened. So no, F1 is not going to win, but weird outliers.

But you're saying there's a chance. Weird outliers win because of this

averaging of the voting. It's bizarre. It just means they can justify making a sequel,

which I'm fine with. I mean, I was perfectly fine with the movie. It was great. I like that they're

doing it. Great. It was great. It was fine. It was great. It's a popcorn movie. And frankly,

they need popcorn movies to make the Oscars interesting. And that was the whole reason

they expanded that category. Right. Because usually it's the list of

movies that you've never heard of and it's been voted on. You've only seen if you really,

really pay attention to Oscar style movies. Yeah.

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the subject that we have all been waiting for. You saw it get released not too long ago. Ferrari

has not only revealed the interior for their new EV, but they've also inadvertently, but

maybe on purpose, revealed the name for their next EV, well their first EV meaning Illumination

in Italian. So they've partnered with a design studio called Love From to come up with a fresh

new look for Ferrari. Here's that interior. Here's the driver's view of that interior. Yeah. And you

wouldn't believe the marketing. There was actually some level of press trip, press reveal because

there were folks that came to a studio and saw this in person and walked around it and were

given all of the dog and pony show of an interior. And of course, it matters not only because it's

Ferrari, but because it's Johnny Ive and Mark Neusen who have done and you've talked about

both of them before on this podcast and you know so much more about design than I do. So I'm going

to let you run for a while. I'm going to give my uneducated opinion first. I'm going to let you do

good stuff. Totally fine. Okay. I love that this is continuing. Go back like two episodes. We talked

about screen suck on one of our last episodes. Okay. And and we talked about how important it is

to have tactility in a car. Things you can duplicate stuff that you can have muscle memory.

It's not all just touch screens. Okay, we're talking about Johnny Ive, the original designer

of the iPhone. All right. So of course, this has some real iPhone feel about it. It does like first

iPhone feel and rounded edges and black and silver and has a lot of his things, a lot of his signature

things. There's definitely screens here. But there's as I if I understand it, the gauges in front

of the driver, the needles are real. Yeah. And it's it's circling a screen that has a digital

readout underneath the sort of screen within a screen. So you're creating depth. But you're

talking about a steering wheel here that the steering wheel just by itself forget the pods on

it. The steering wheel looks like something out of a 1960s car, which is really cool. And we're

talking about actual toggles and actual buttons, they exist, there's stuff to interact with here.

Having said that, I have three headlines, and then I got to give it over to you because you're

going to do it right. But my three headlines are this. I love this interior. Okay, I love the

thinking of this interior, because we're getting away from just screens, we're getting industrial

design back, we've got tactility and interaction. And I love that. It looks very much like the two

guys it came from. Nothing about this says Ferrari to me. Nothing about it says Ferrari,

other than the fact it has Ferrari badges, you could take the Ferrari badges off,

you could make it any other brand, and it would work. What I'm seeing here is Ferrari is releasing

the Apple car. Yes, this is Ferrari gets the chance to release the Apple car that Johnny,

I've never got to release. So that's that's my issue with it. I don't think there's anything

about it that is Ferrari. And it's going to wind up in a car, I'm going to call my shot now,

it's going to wind up in a Ferrari, that may be the most easily to get Ferrari of all time,

because no one's going to care about an all EV SUV from Ferrari, the only way this thing is going

to sell is one of two ways. Discounts to the people that want to say they have a Ferrari and

really like EVs, which that's a minuscule part of the market, or people that are required to buy

one to buy the Ferrari they really want like the Aston Martin signet. Exactly. This is going to be

the Ferrari that lands with a thud on EV Ferrari. We've already seen the whole market shift away

from EVs. This is an EV Ferrari. Just this week, there was press that Porsche is having actual

meetings about do we even care about going forward with the 718 Cayman and Boxter in EVR,

are we going to kill it entirely? There's no actual news on it yet. Yes, please kill it.

But you know, for the while, they've been saying EV and internal combustion or EV hybrid,

if it's both. Apparently, there's meetings about do we kill the project entirely. This is an EV

Ferrari. Ferrari's you only buy to make a statement. You don't buy for the for the environment. You

don't care. You are a consumer at at first blush because you bought a Ferrari. You're not protecting

anything, not even your own wallet. You're buying a Ferrari. This will land with a thud and it has

this non Ferrari interior in it. This is either in a Ferrari collector's collection at the back

collecting dust or it's a car you have to buy to get the one you want or you're going to get these

for a song. That's really good. That's really good. I'm going to agree with an asterisk. Great.

I want to you're going to try to sell it to you. Okay, all right, go for it. I'm going to try to

sell everything here to you, to you, to us. I'm going to try. Imagine this is a Honda. You'd go,

yeah, I love this. If that were Mercedes, Genesis, maybe it could be a Honda tomorrow tomorrow. Yes,

100%. It's more than a name. It's a vision. Oh God. It is not defining a technology,

but a philosophy electrification as a means, not an end, a new era where design, engineering,

and imagination converge into something that did not exist before. I take issue with that.

Continuing on, simple, pure, and evocative, loose, it becomes a symbol of clarity and

inspiration expressing Ferrari's approach to motivation on compromising vision,

transparent design, silent energy that is felt in every fiber form shaped by function.

This is how Paul reads the press release, everybody. There it is. Saw through it.

Controls are inspired by both historic automotive cues and the purposeful,

clear graphics found in aviation, particularly helicopters and aircraft, which at first I took

issue with. But as a matter of fact, before Enzo founded Ferrari, he actually had a machine tool

company and during World War Two, they were building aircraft parts. So it's a thin thread,

but we'll pull on it and we'll give it to Enzo Ferrari and say, okay, there is some

very thin aircraft manufacturing background, even though it wasn't Ferrari. It was the prior

company that did that. Sure. Right. So we'll give that to you. But here we go. We've got this new

interior. And I'm in agreement with Todd. At first I thought, oh, this is just the expression of

Johnny Ive to do the interior that he wanted to do for the Apple car and maybe did a slight tweak

here and there. But because the Apple car never existed and he has now left Apple, he had to

get it out of his system. And so here it is manifested. And then Ferrari came knocking and

went, aha, let's do that. I already have sketches. As a matter of fact, it's already done. Here you

go. I want to introduce to you the men at Ferrari that you need to familiarize yourself, Benedetto

Vigna, the CEO currently of Ferrari, John Elcan sitting down. You could consider him to be the

Elcan families like the Kennedys in Italy. He is the grandson of the Agnelli founder, so former

CEO of Ferrari, Flavio Manzoni in the middle. He is an architect, but also a car designer.

And he is the current styling director for Ferrari. He has done the Pro Sangue. He's done the F12.

A lot of really great, interesting, unique cars. But Ferrari has obviously hired Johnny Ive here

in the blue suit from Apple. And on the far right is Mark Neusen, famous furniture designer.

Johnny Ive and Mark Neusen have love from, this is a consultancy.

They pick and choose their clients. They tell clients to go away.

Just want you to know who these people are behind this. Again, dead shot here of the interior.

I think it's fantastic design. And again, I agree with you. I think looking straight on,

I think that is spectacularly good looking. It is the best I've seen of somebody takes

perfect 60s retro styling and makes it now. It's not Ferrari, but I think it looks amazing.

I want to interact with that interior. Here's the binnacle with more of the

aircraft inspired. So you can see it's screen here, but then it's a dual gauge,

sort of dual layer screen. And I do like the mix of electrification. The screen,

the analog gauges, I like this interaction. I think it's so well done. Simple and clean is

hard to do, but simple and clean comes from a time period. When that's all you knew how to do.

Yeah, when that's all they could do. Yeah, for sure. Here is the console with the

Corning Gorilla Glass that is machined for the shift knob to put it in gear. So it's a nice

close up of the binnacle. Again, simple, clean, relatable hot dog shapes. Notice a lot of these

hot dog shapes. That little key that looks like something, it looks like the shape and scale,

if you will, of a deck of cards, like a mini deck of cards. You know what a mini deck of cards

looks like? Oh, sure. That key looks like a mini deck of cards with a Ferrari logo on it. Yeah.

And I'm sorry, but that looks like some trinket you bought off the Internet. Okay.

Let's dive in, shall we? Please. Showing in 1959 Ferrari 250 GT Long Wheelbase Scalietti

Spider Convertible Competizione. Okay. These are my photos that I took from Pebble Beach Monterey

Weekend 2014. And I knew that I was going to pull them out someday and use them for some purpose.

Today's the day, everybody. Today's the day. Okay. I want you to check out the interior.

Familiar shapes in this interior with the hot dog surround, a lot of circular instrument panels,

the circular gauges that feel automotive. They feel like watchmaking. They feel like aerospace.

Interesting. Simple, clean. Here is now a 1956 Ferrari 250 GT Alloy Buano Coop. Very beautiful.

Late 50s. Look at this interior. Look at the door panel. Look at the simple, clean shapes. Look at

the thin, nardy steering wheel. The triple spoke. The old wood rimmed steering wheels with the

very simple spokes. I mean, that's very much the style that we're talking about here, except they

need to take either the circles or the gaps back on the steering wheel. You don't like the gaps.

No, no, I'm saying we need them in the updated design. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. This would be a nice

referential. I agree. I agree to that. So you're starting to see a through line, even though at

first, the Neusen interior, the Johnny I have the love from interior for Ferrari doesn't really seem

Ferrari, but look at the shapes moving on to a 1958 Ferrari 250 Testarosa Scalietti Spider.

Here is that beautiful, like achingly scrumptiously beautiful car. It's a great looking car,

for sure. Here's the rear shot. I mean, everything is so resolved. Yeah, it's awesome. It could

be carved out of marble. You'd be like, yes. Well, and what's so funny is this is the era when

they weren't designing for aerodynamics. They were just going, well, what seems like a slippery shape?

Like draw it on a napkin. For sure. So I'm wanting to see beautiful, voluptuous shapes

combined with these very simple. You can see where that interior is starting to come from,

because at first, I saw the love from interior. Is that where we're calling it?

I guess that's the brand. The Lusse interior. The Lusse interior. Let's go with that.

I saw that and I thought, oh, that's not very Ferrari like. Well, actually,

let's go back to some referential to some very significant historical models. And then, of course,

here's the short wheelbase. Here's that car from the Gooding options. That's the

short wheelbase California spider with the interior. Simple, clean, circular gauges,

hot dog shapes. Here they are with all those toggle switches. If you have the means,

I highly recommend picking one up. I yeah, this particular car. I can't believe how beautiful

it is. But again, look at this interior combined with the voluptuous exterior. Sure. Okay. Because

at this point, I'm thinking the interior has been revealed. There is not a chance the exterior

does not exist. Well, and I saw some picture that was like a guest picture of the exterior.

You know, you know, it exists. You know, it does. Yeah, for sure. Because you might be asking, well,

that kind of simple, clean interior cannot work with a beautiful, voluptuous, modern,

striking Ferrari kind of interior. Well, I'm arguing that it can. So now moving on to Mark

Neusen. He is a furniture designer. He really came onto the map back in the 80s. I believe it was

the 80s with the Lockheed Lounge. Here it is. This is a famous, famous piece. You can see why

it's named the Lockheed Lounge. So aircraft, yeah, voluptuous shapes. It's manifested in a lounge.

It's riveted metal. That makes a chaise lounge. Correct. That looks like for those of you who

can't see it, it looks kind of like a bean on feet. It does. It looks like a metal bean on feet.

I know, I look, I know, I've just offended you and everyone that likes furniture. I know,

but I've just tried to get those of you that can't see it to see what I'm seeing. I mean,

it does. It's a stretched, it's, it's taffy chewing gum. It's, it's a voluptuous, beautiful shape.

Okay. So you start to see. I don't even want to know how much that cost. If you can even find them,

these kinds of pieces don't get sold at stores. They get auctioned by Sotheby's and Christie's.

Well, just sit in the corner next to the EV Ferrari that's going to be collecting dust.

Will this be sitting next to it? Absolutely. And I'm going somewhere with your collecting dust

thought. So I'm moving on to the second notable piece from Mark Newsen and that is the embryo

chair. You can also see similar kinds of design aesthetic. This is a leather bean with feet.

Sorry, I'm sorry. I know I'm offending you, but I'm trying to help the people that can't see it.

Double bean with feet. Yeah, exactly. Polished aluminum, maybe stainless. And then finally,

the wooden chair. So it's slatted, but you can see this where this aesthetic is coming from. So

I just wanted to introduce you to Mark Newsen's work if you weren't already familiar.

But in 1999, Ford hired Mark Newsen. They did. To design a car. And he did. And we've talked

about this before. And when you look at this thing, it's like a Fiat 500 kind of aesthetic.

That's the closest to an actual car that got made I can think of is the Fiat 500 aesthetic.

It's rounder than that. But when you see this thing, it looks like it could have been the Apple

car. So now you see the way these two guys work together in this interior. Yes, 100%. For sure.

So this was named the 021C or the 021C, however you like to call it. And that is named after the

particular Pantone color, the shade of Pantone orange that it was originally painted. So here is

that car. And now they repainted it. I actually forget what particular shade this is. But now

it's a bright chartreuse, almost green, yeah, bright, bright, safety, yellow, green. So you can

see the aesthetics of this car, the soft form language, very clean, simple, full surfaces.

And now what I'm saying is that I think the Lusay exists already. I think you're right.

I think you're right. Yeah, yeah. They just haven't revealed it. I think you're absolutely right.

They've decided to reveal the interior first for whatever reason instead of both together.

Maybe they're still working out a few. Maybe there's some infighting, I don't know,

but some details on what that exterior looks like. But this interior from Ferrari is now

driving a new form language, EV or not, because the EV, I agree, will collect dust. But future

Ferraris now going back to the original, the 60s, the beautiful, amazing, the Testaroses,

those 250 GT cars, and those simple clean interiors that are now reflected in the glass screens,

even though I would like less glass screens, but I understand it's a swiveling center screen and

the console, very clean and simple. That can work with a new direction of design language

for Ferrari. It can work. And this is the design language that I think we need to kind of expect.

Well, I love where you've gone. And I'm theorizing here, this little city car you're showing,

the interior just showed goes in this car. And my problem is, Ferrari is a high-end brand.

Yes. And I think part of the reason they've revealed this interior first is because the

interior is a selling point for the car. And if they just showed you the exterior and said,

here's our new, for lack of a better way to put it, our new Macan fighter EV SUV, everybody

would go, and I don't care. The interior has got to lead the charger, which is a weird backwards

way to sell a car. The interior has got to lead the charge for you to go, well, pardon the pun,

I want that EV anyway, because it's got that cool interior. Do you actually think this interior

design is going to work its way through Ferrari at large? I do. Really? I think it's a good new

direction for them to start thinking about what if that could be applied to a future front engine V12

with a simple clean interior. That's the whole point of the 62 Ferrari GTO. Sure. The interior

could not be more boring. It's kind of terrible to look at, but there are 70 to 100 million

dollar cars nowadays, but front-engined, beautiful GT car voluptuous shapes and the

interiors kind of harken back to simple, clean. There will be models that will be more gussied up

and definitely for a Ferrari clientele that wants to be ensconced in the experience. I think

that this experience, I mean, here's that part of that interior from the Neusen car from 99,

and the shapes still relate. Well, and good, you could plug this interior these guys have done

into this city car and it would work. I do think this is an economy car, city car interior done

really, really well. I cannot believe it has Ferrari badges. I can't. It's interesting,

but just going all the way back to. I see a connective tissue. You created connective

tissue. I give you kudos there. Yeah, but it ultimately comes down to materials because

you've got your plastic toothbrush. What if that were suddenly cast in gold and polished?

It's no longer a 299 toothbrush. It is now, it's got heft and weight and it's this voluptuous shape

and wow, this thing's amazing. Well, made out of plastic, you wouldn't carry it. You throw it

away after two months. Maybe, maybe I take your point. So materials matter, which they have definitely

addressed. But I think that's a good starting place for Ferrari. And I am interested and encouraged.

And at first, again, I thought that's a Honda interior. Boom. And it could be. But I have to

go back to the referential images here. I mean, to think for their high end sports cars, the 250

Testarosa's for their flagship. Oh my gosh, this is the car. Look at those interiors. I think it

can work in the future. It's going to be a balance. So I say with an asterisk, not to completely

disagree, but with an asterisk because it could easily go wrong. It could easily be like, yeah,

that the exterior and interior are two different teams. It doesn't match. I just don't think that

car is going to sell. I think it's going to be the Ferrari they cannot sell. I think it'll

sit. But I think what this interior does, gas or electric is define a new direction for Ferrari.

And I'm intrigued that they started with the interior first, instead of showing

something like an O21C. Yeah. And saying, here's, I mean, not proportion. And you'd be like,

of course not. Not a Ferrari. Of course. Yeah. These kinds of surfaces and design language

suddenly show up in a new Ferrari. Yeah. What's that? And then what's that interior look like?

Okay. I'm fascinated. They started with the interior. You are the guy that knows design,

that's done design. You have all of that history and I do not. So I give you a big hat tip to

the way you dissect this. And connective tissue is a big deal here. And I think that's important.

I'm very curious to see the reality of this because I think the car it's in is just going to

sit. Nobody's going to buy it. I really mean that car. I think it'll be, but they may have to

require sales. It's going to be the car, the car you have to buy in order to get a different

Ferrari. It's going to be that. It's going to be that Ferrari for sure. But I'm intrigued by

this whole announcement is kind of a crazy different direction from Ferrari. And what

does it really mean? That's what we don't know. It's not what this is. What does this become in

five years? It's certainly fun to speculate for sure. Moving on to last piece of news before we

jump into our topic Tuesday and that is the 2027 Toyota Highlander three row seven-seater EV has

been revealed comes with the North American charging standard port so you can charge in any

Tesla supercharger DC fast charge from 10 to 80 percent in 30 minutes. Pretty much just like every

EV that's introduced in the market. 10 to 80 percent in 30 minutes. Sure. Yep. Same thing.

And what? 338 combined system horsepower, 323 pound feet of torque and Toyota is leaning in.

This is actually what we saw when we went to the Plano headquarters back in May 2025.

They took our phones and said, let's show you. It was a concept. Yeah. And at Toyota,

that means this is coming. They just haven't given it a name yet. They were kind of backing away

from like, well, we're not sure. We're just showing this to you anyway. And here it is

announced fully three row. Here's what I find interesting about this bit of news. Now Toyota

has been late to the party on EVs. I'm surprised they're pushing this far, but they're doing

something with the Highlander lineup. That's kind of interesting. If you buy the Highlander,

you get this. It's going to be EV only just like this. If you buy the Grand Highlander,

which is a slightly bigger one, you can get hybrids and other engine options. But this is

going to be the straight up Highlander, no asterisks, no extras, no grand. It's not grand. It's just

Highlander. EV, Grand Highlander options. And they're going to do that going forward.

There's been new regulation. The EPA is changing environmental standards and the compliance credits

that were given to auto manufacturers for having stopstart have gone away. So I'm not going to

claim to have full understanding of how all of this works because these credits forever have been

super cloak and dagger mystery shell game stuff going on anyway. Environmental credits for

manufacturers have always been really weird. But there used to be a credit if your car had a

start stop feature. So that means all of our cars have got start stop and generally people don't

like it. There's I mean, I feel like there's two camps. There's the folks that don't care.

And then there's the folks that really hate it. I don't feel like there's anybody's like my car

needs to start and stop. I really hate it. I know you do. And I'm not a fan of it either.

So what this means is it's no longer going to be a thing that is put on every single car.

Or I think the other thing that it suggests is that going forward, this will be an option where if

you turn it off once it stays off. Because on a lot of cars right now, when you turn it off,

you have turned it off every time you start the car. And because you start the option,

which is good, it became more interesting. But I could see a kind of thing where this is

something where you say in the options, I don't want that to ever turn on. And then your car

never does it. And for those of you that want to commute and want to have your car stop when

you're sitting there, I get it, you're sitting still for three minutes, your car is idling.

Okay, I'm not against the concept. But it'll be interesting to see what actually happens here

because if the automakers don't get benefit from adding this technology, I think it goes away in

mass. I think so. It doesn't solve the problem with the cars that are already on it. But my

2015 Cayman had the button that stayed on. I left it on for nine years. Every time I started

the car, you just always hit it instantly. I don't have to touch it. Oh, I guess it's true. I guess

it stayed set. Please don't do it. Whereas the 2020, the 718, it defaults every time I started

and I forget and the engine rattles to a stop at the stoplight. And that makes no sense in that car.

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We have a cool topic Tuesday for you and I know where this topic Tuesday comes from.

I want to talk about that very briefly and then I want to move on. The topic Tuesday comes in

from Kyle and he says he'd like to hear our thoughts on the three best revived nameplates.

So brand brand names for cars that came back. What are the three best that did it right?

And what are the three revived nameplates that did it worst? And I know while Kyle's asking

because he wants us to rant on why the prelude is a failure. Yeah, that's where that and I look,

I will go ahead and admit that yes, the prelude has landed with a thud. So that could be in the

failure column, but I'm not talking about prelude here. I'm moving on. Okay. I have three best

and I actually have four worst because I have one that hasn't come back yet. I'm calling my shot.

Oh, really? So I've got three that are worst and I'm calling one that hasn't happened yet.

All right. So the best three revived nameplates, I think we're giving ourselves any rules and it

just has to be within what the last five, 10 years, somewhere just general revived nameplates.

I'm thinking about stuff that's happened since the year 2000 where they brought a name back.

Oh, you're going back to the night. They brought a name back because I feel like

all of those cars are still on the road. True. You know what I mean? So they brought a name back

and did it work or not? Okay, I'm going to dive in with nameplates and I kind of blurred the lines

here a little bit between nameplates and brands. Okay, great. A car brand itself, but I think for

Toyota to bring back the Supra after the hallowed Supra, after what Fast and Furious did and after

what Toyota told us and that was nobody was buying the A90 or sorry, the A80. It was the prior

generation. This is the 90. So the prior gen, it stopped selling and then Fast and Furious movies

came out and suddenly everybody's like, Toyota, where's the Supra? And they went, they didn't

buy it when we had it. The last couple of years, they sat on dealer lots. Now there'd been a lot

of changes in the economy and they were now wildly expensive. But the last year or so,

they had so much trouble making those cars move. For sure. So GR Supra for me, it's a fantastic car.

They rethought it. It's turned out to be brilliant. It's got long shelf life here. I think Supras

are awesome. And it just, it said to the world, Toyota makes great sports cars again. We make

awesome sports cars and they brought back the Supra name. And I know there was hesitation,

but can we all agree at this point? The Supra is pretty awesome. It's great. That engine that got

all the debate, the B58 is starting to be argued as the new 2JZ because it's the engine that whatever

it's in, it's great. Because at first everybody's like, oh, you did what? You put a BMW 6 in it?

Yeah, you're asking for problems. And now it's an engine that people are lauding as a great modern

engine. And they added the manual. Everybody wanted manual and then Toyota said, okay,

we'll give you the manual. So we've got both versions in a fantastic chassis. I think the

styling is great. It's held up really well. And also this means that there could be a second

generation new Supra here. So I hope, I think they'll keep it going, but Toyota builds awesome

sports cars again. That's what it said. Cool nameplate to bring back. Love it. Fantastic.

Moving on to my second choice and that is, can we all also agree that the MR2 is coming back?

And for them to bring the MR2 back is a great thing. I hope it looks anything like this image

you're showing. This standard image that's online right now with this orange, really amazing looking

angular, small mid-engine. I hope it looks anything like that. I'm not holding my breath,

but man, I do want this car to come back. And you know what? We want that in the

engine and drivetrain configurations that we all want. You know what I'm talking about.

You don't want it to be a hybrid only with the CVT? Is this what you're saying? Huh.

I didn't say that. I said it. I'm saying it right now. It should not be that. But what I'm

insinuating is that Toyota has listened and they brought the manual on the Supra. And so

I'm just going to have my high hopes over here. You're going to trust them that they're going

to do it right. Got it. They're going to do it right. They're going to maybe have

two or three different kinds of configurations and you can kind of choose. And then the one we

all want, 400 horsepower turbo manual done. That's it. Like just done, done, done, done. Turn

all the everything off. Yep. Exactly. Let's go drive. Right. Let's put the, the Johnny Ive interior

in that. Make it a day. That'd be good. Yeah. Sure. And then third, the best. This is strange,

but I think for Scout to be revived is a good thing. I think choice in this marketplace,

specifically because it's body on frame EV. It's not. Sure. Okay. All right. Yeah.

Chassis platform. We crib something from somewhere else. It's truck off road thinking. It's

scout thinking EV and there's huge amounts of interest. The design is fantastic. It needed to

come back. I think they're doing a great job. I'm looking forward to scout in general. I'm looking

forward to driving it. They've got the range extenders, of course, which you could argue defeats

the purpose because now we got both electric and gas engine on boards and I think it'll make it have

a broader interest though to people. But I think so because this is like, okay, you know, there's

been the Hummer, the Rivian, the Jeep recon, you know, it's chasser. For sure. Yeah. But it's,

that's how you build an electric car. That's not how you build an electric truck.

So let's see what Scout can do. I'm giving them a hall pass before they come out. I think the styling

is fantastic. It does look good. And it looks like I'm giving them a pass. They brought it forward

from the old Scouts. It doesn't really, despite the fact that it looks a little like a Rivian,

they do look great. All right. All right. Well, I'm going to jump into my thoughts here,

but that's, that's excellent, Paul. I really like it. You and I never consult, but we did have one

overlap. Okay. All right. So I'm just going to start with the overlap and that is, I agree with

you. We should all just go ahead and acknowledge that the Supra is great. Yes. I cannot believe

that they did it. I cannot believe that we've, I feel like in mass, everybody's kind of come around

on it. I mean, the hate on the Supra was heavy when it came out. Yeah. But it ended up being a great

engine. This is a really good chassis. I think the design has grown on the people that hated it

initially. I kind of liked it, but now I really like it. I wish the bigger car that the design

came from, the FT1 had ever existed because this design looks a little weird on the smaller

shape. But then everybody would have complained like, oh, it's too big and heavy and blah, blah,

blah. Yeah. And I probably would have led that charge. I have to admit it. But the other thing

that it was a master stroke is finally coming out with a manual and it was a correct manual.

It's one of the best feeling manuals being sold right now. It is not a BMW gearbox

in feel, which is fantastic. So the Supra is a victory. And the other thing about it,

the reason it's a victory is because it sits at the right place in their lineup.

It didn't become a car that's down with the 86 and it's not a $100,000 vehicle. It sits in the

right place in the Toyota lineup. So the Supra is a victory. Another revived victory is the Bronco.

Okay. Ford nailed this. Now, I'm actually showing a raptor, but Ford just nailed this. What people

wanted the Bronco to be is what it is. It's even better, I think. Exactly. It's a direct competitor

to the Wrangler. And even though you can certainly argue that the Wrangler may have better running

gear for some rock crawling stuff, they took the success and the rabid interest that they had

from the raptor program at the F-150 and they went, okay, what have we learned here? And they applied

it to the Bronco and they came up with something that I think is a wildly successful victory.

This is one of those things where the internet had had strong feelings what the what the Bronco

should be. And it came out and we all kind of went, yeah, I mean, how often does that happen?

That's pretty amazing. They really nailed it with the Bronco. And the last one is a car I cannot

believe exists. And I think potentially is better than the original as far as in the general public's

mind, the Alpine 110. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's this was a race car. Yeah. This was a car that people

knew about if you followed rally and you might occasionally see one out in the public. But it

wasn't like this was a common car. And it wasn't like it was a go to car in its era. It was a race

car. People knew about it. There were street versions, but it wasn't like, yeah, everybody has

an Alpine 110. But when you and I go to Europe, there's a lot of them. True. It's not like a

couple people bought them. We see much more of these than we do any Lotus product. Yeah. Think

about that. That's amazing to me that the Alpine 110, a singular car from a brand that sells nothing

else. Now they have an electric SUV, but at the time brand that sells nothing else, we see more

of these than we do Lotus. And we're in Europe. And we're always like, Oh, there's one. Totally.

The Alpine 110 is a total victory and a fantastic revision bringing back of a name plate. So that

one is top of my list of revivals. But I love it. Where are you going now? I am going to a middle

choice. Okay. And you might say that this is a cop out. But I'm glad Honda brought the prelude

back because at least the prelude name is back. Okay. And at least it could become a performance

version, I guess. We'll see. TBD, we'll see. So I wanted to put it in like, good, it's bad. But

in the bad category, because this is not what we thought. And I think it's an opportunity

squandered by Honda to bring back. There was a better car possible. There was a,

that's a great way to say it. So prelude names back. That's good. You're leaning on your history.

You're bringing stuff back. Yeah. But it's not the one that everybody wanted. It's not like,

so I guess it's still in the middle for me. It's a middle choice. But hopefully you've

seen our prelude video by now that we keep talking about it quite a lot. Probably too much at this

point. I wanted this to be a hot, powerful sports car. Sure, as did everybody. Yeah. Moving on to

the worst category, starting off with the fancy EV minivan that nobody wanted. I love that Volkswagen

also looked into their history to think, let's revive the bus. And as an EV, they called it

the ID buzz. I'm still really not sure where ID comes from. I don't know either. But I'm sure

if we could look it up and find it out. But yeah, keep going. That's the thing. The buzz, the bus,

buzz, they went fully into electric electrification because of diesel gate, leaving all that behind.

But I think the smarter play would have been offering both. This is an EV platform. Okay.

And then we put some cool rear engine in this and really lean into it. Whereas this

is ename only. Well, they're leaning visually very much on the old hippy van, the two color,

the whole thing. I mean, trying to bring that forward and then making it an EV. By the way,

ID stands for intelligent design. Fine. Great. I'm excited. I knew you of all people would be

quite excited about the fact that they did that. Anyway, moving on. Yeah. Was it intelligent,

Volkswagen? See, this is the thing. I knew it had you down that road. I knew you'd be like,

really? Is that what we're going with? Because if we're going to bring it back, I mean, why not

sit over the front wheels? I mean, why not really embrace it and make it the quirky thing that

everybody loved about it? Because now if it wasn't called the buzz and it was just electric minivan,

I don't know if you remember, more than a decade ago when you and I were shooting the last gen

Civic Type R and the Focus RS, we were in California and three of these came by us. And

at that point they were being tested in California. It was being called the Volkswagen California.

Yes. Right. And then it then they scuttled it and brought it back as an EV and called it the buzz.

There's an opportunity there. It just doesn't. Yeah, that's the right word. Yeah.

Moving on to the second choice. And that is something you might not have realized has lived

and died. Dodge brought the Hornet back. Nobody cares. Nobody cared. You're totally right. Yes.

The Tonale from Alfa Romeo. Tonale. Yeah, for sure. Terrible name. The problem with this,

especially, well, we didn't drive the Hornet. I can tell you, it's rental cars back at best.

Sure. Sure. Yes. But the Tonale had a gas engine driving the front wheels and an electric motor

driving the back wheels and the torques were different and they didn't talk to each other

and things got weird. Yes. It was. You're totally right. Not good. I've never driven a power

trade that seemed to be at war with itself more than that car. Totally. Fighting itself.

Nobody cares. Still nobody cares. And more product from Stellantis and that is the current charger.

The Challenger, everyone has gone away. I don't know if you're aware. It's the

two door and the four door charger. Yes. But the problem is they've come out with the EV version.

And they also have the new six cylinder gas version. The RHO engine, which is a good engine.

If you want to know if it's an EV version, it says it in six point font, the tiniest font,

and you can't tell. And so I think I'm right. But I could stand to be corrected here. I think the

EV version is Daytona scat pack and the gas version is just charger scat pack. They're that close.

I'm not sure. They're very close. This is the problem. The website is not clear.

It's actually one of the worst description because they lean into horsepower.

Sure, of course. Look at all this horsepower. Well, tell me how the power is made. Tell me

the drivetrain. Tell me about the car. Don't just tell me numbers and stats and figures.

And I know that you think that's what your customers just care about. But I think they're

wrong. And so they have two door and four door gas and EV. But it's very difficult to differentiate

which is which. It's the hood pass-through that is the giveaway. The hood pass-through you've got

here. That's kind of the only visual real reference when you look at it at glance. But still, yeah.

But this landed with a thud because even though it had all this 670 horsepower and

burnouts and nobody really cared because it was enormous and 6,000 pounds. It's huge.

6,000 pound car. 6,000 pound car. You're right. It's huge. You're not a fan. I get it.

There was a lot going wrong at Stellantis. They've actually taken a huge multiple billion

dollar write down. I think new leadership is in charge. I think they're in the process of

writing the ship, but it's not clear to me at this point. They're bringing back their hellcats

is where they're going. Get back to what worked. Yes, that worked. Why change? Let's, you know,

ain't broke. Don't fix. Regulation. That's where it went. I don't understand. We haven't driven

this car. We've sat in it at the LA Auto Show. But here's the thing. No one we trust drove it

and liked it. Right. That's the problem. And no one cared about this. Again, nobody cared. Nobody

noticed. Nobody cares. We wanted to shoot this car. I really, really wanted to shoot this car.

And everyone we trusted that drove it before us that didn't like it, then I watched their videos

fall on their face. And I was like, it's not even worth the time and money for us to shoot it. And

I hate to say that. I really do. I actually would like to drive the straight six turbo version. I

think it'd be interesting. And it makes more power than the prior V8. But again, because it has

six cylinders. Nobody cares. This is, you know what? This is a fantastically large, spacious car

in two or four door. There's a ton of space in here. The interior is actually very nice.

I think there's a worthwhile car hiding in there. But the EV first really tainted it, frankly.

It's £6,000. The EV version is £6,000. Those are my top worst.

Okay. All right. I'm going to jump in here. I'm going to go straight to a brand you might not

have expected, but I'm going to go there anyway. Can we all just agree that Lamborghini should

not have brought back the Countach name? Good shot. They took an Aventador and they essentially

bodykidded an Aventador and sold a limited amount and called it the Countach. It's like the 800

something something. There's an actual designation for it. But no, no. This is probably the most

storied name in Lamborghini. Yeah. And I feel like it's either do a full car that is the Countach

or leave it alone. And this is just a body kit. This is just something for collectors.

It's a variation on the Aventador and there were and that's the other thing about it. It's not like

the Aventador was just the Aventador and this is the only alt. They made so many alts off the

Aventador. Yeah. So many little bodykidded one offs where they made 100 or whatever. Okay.

Lamborghini, we make bodykidded one off. This is just another one of those. Yeah. So anything

where they could have made this feel more bespoke than maybe bring back the Countach,

they just somebody sat down with, okay, here's what we're working with the Aventador. Here's

my body cues of the Countach. Let me figure it out. This is a fail. So there's the Countach.

That's one of them for me. Another one for me is the early 2000s Pontiac GTO. This is a great car.

Yeah. With the entirely wrong name. Yeah. If they just released this with any other name,

I think it would have had the ability to actually be a car that was taken seriously.

But the GTO had such muscle car street cred and it had such angry styling street cred.

Monaro. This is the Monaro. Yes, the Holden Monaro. If they would have called it the Holden

Monaro would have been better. It would have been great. So the reality is this is soft rounded

shapes, which doesn't connect to the original GTO at all. It has no aggression in the styling.

So here's a really cool car with the wrong name that should have not been called GTO. Not at all.

We'll take anything else, right? Take just about anything else. Give it a name that we

haven't heard prior. That's the thing. It needed a name without history. The Monaro would have

worked. But a name without history. Because this had Chevy Corvette power in it. It was a decent

size 2 plus 2 because it was an Australian Holden. It actually had, I hate to say this,

a better interior than a lot of what GM was making stateside at the time. Yeah, true.

This is a worthwhile car with a terrible name because everybody brought all the baggage I'm

talking about forward. It's the same as the prelude problem. Everybody brought the baggage

of what it should be and then it wasn't. But the sad thing here is this is a cool worthwhile car.

Killed by the GTO name. Another one that might be a decent carpet wrong name.

Chevy Blazer. The Blazer. I was going to mention the Blazer. When you were talking about the Bronco,

that's where the K5 Blazer, we've talked about this almost. Everything where Ford did it right

with the Bronco, GM dropped the ball with the Blazer. 100%. For a while, and I'm actually showing

the EV version here. For a while, the Blazer was the innocuous five seat SUV for the dad who really

wanted a Camaro. It was pretty much the Camaro interior, which I actually kind of liked with the

vents that were also the temperature. Very cool, shoved into a five seat SUV and we drove it in

RS trim and were pleasantly surprised by how well it drove. I have to give it props because it was

a decent vehicle, but it's not the Blazer. The Blazer was GM's opportunity to really compete with

the Wrangler and the Bronco at the time that the Bronco was coming back. Draw the K5, just draw the

box. Well, but it doesn't even, it doesn't even have to be the old style, but just it can't be

this. I think it would have been more appealing. I mean, this Scout look at the Bronco, but this

was just another, this was an also ran and that's the problem with it. And then insult to injury.

Now let's make it one of our EVs. Not only is it not the off-roader we hoped for, now it's an

electric commuter. How lost in the woods are we at GM? This is just, this is like the bell

weather of the ship lost at sea right here. Celestic loss. Seriously. So I, yeah. So the Blazer

is a big fail on a revive name that could have been really, could have been Scout. You're right.

It could have been, we could have had a world of the Wrangler, the Bronco, the Blazer, the Scout.

Amazing. And I didn't put it in my list here, but Land Rover brought back Defender. That's been a

success as well. Yes. Could have been in that Pantheon of vehicles. And we have this electric

thing that frankly, it now is on the same chassis as many other electric things from GM,

including the Honda prologue. Yes. What on earth? What on earth? And you get the prologue and not

anyway. Yeah, seriously. And then I have one more. I have a fourth one, but this is because I'm

calling my shot. I've been excited to hear your four. This is my fourth one. This does not exist

right now. Okay. But based on what's happened here, I realized two of my three or GM products.

I was Dodge heavy. I was Dodge heavy with Pontiac GTO and now the Chevy Blazer. Okay. The Camaro

died recently. And I will admit, I just went on and found somebody's AI nastiness,

but I'm very worried that the Camaro is going to come back as some sort of SUV monstrosity. It's

going to have Camaro styling cues and it's going to be another five seat SUV. And we're all going

to remember when on the Camaro. I'm very, very worried that that's where the Camaro is going.

And I am asking GM right now. You're not going to listen to me. I know there's going to be many,

many board meetings and I'm going to be ignored. I know, but I'm asking if you're going to bring

back the Camaro name, bring it back on the right performance vehicle. Yes. Don't do what you did

with Blazer and GTO and make the wrong car or even maybe in, look, look, I'll go this far,

the Blazer we drove that was the RS, good SUV. Why is it called the Blazer? Wrong name.

So it's going to bring back the Camaro, make it an actual performance car, have it compete with

things like the Supra, the Mustang, even though the current Mustang's kind of lost its way in a

separate thing, but have it be in that world, have it be competitive and interesting. The last one

was, I want it to be new BMW, new BMW M2 sized. That'd be cool. Yeah. Well, that's what we put

it with the last time we had a Camaro. We put it with the M2. I'm just worried that GM's going to

fumble and bring the Camaro back and be like, it's an SUV now be cut. And here's why they're

going to do it because they're looking at the Mustang Mach-E. They're going to go, well,

that was a success. So let's make the Camaro SUV. I just, I can't leave this on screen any longer,

but it makes me hurt. Disgusting. Wow.

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In just under a week, February 21st and 22nd, hooked on driving mid-Atlantic is running at

Atlanta Motorsports Park, so we will be in attendance. We're looking forward to that one.

Yeah, I actually never done it a few days away. I'm very excited to do AMP. It's actually a really

cool track. You and I are both going to be there. A lot of HOD is going to be there,

which is really exciting. So if you've thought about going between the Atlanta area,

this is your event to come to. It's going to be really cool. I think it's almost sold out,

but I think there's a little bit of space left. A little bit of space in B and C groups, I believe.

Also, February 28 and March 1st, that is also a weekend hooked on driving is in California at

world famous Laguna Seca. That is a 92 decibel day, so we are kicking off the West Coast season,

California season for Laguna Seca. We're very excited about that. I'm going to stop there

real quick because Laguna Seca is interesting for a lot of reasons, but they have all of their,

a lot of put this, angry neighbors. You bought an expensive house near a racetrack that's older

than you are, and now you're mad there's a racetrack there. It's a whole other thing,

but as a result, they have these noise restrictions, and this is 92 dB, which

prior to now has been a problem, but Laguna has very publicly actually redone all their sound

systems, and most not all, if you have a big Z06 with a loud exhaust, it's not going to work,

but most street cars now won't get sound hits on a 92 dB day. What do you have to do? Right around

the time we bought hooked on driving, if you didn't have a 103 dB day, you couldn't bring

any fun cars. It's not true anymore. Most normal street cars that are performance cars will work

on a 92 dB day at some Laguna Secas. That's actually happening that weekend. We're very excited about

it. Also for hooked on driving flagship event for 2026, and that is Circuit of the Americas in

Austin, Texas. That is a weekend May 30th and 31st. It's the weekend after Memorial Day in 2026.

We will be there. We would love to see you there two days on track. It's going to be a fantastic

event. We will also be doing a podcast live from there. We're planning on that right now, and also

we don't know what's going to happen with the track in the future. True. We've been told one

thing, and that is only club kinds of members, and members only organization in Formula One,

and maybe a few special groups, but we're not sure. Nevertheless, you've got to come. If you've

never been on Kota, or even if you have, you know how great a track this is, and the weather will

be excellent. Just right before it gets summer hot. You've got great dates. All three of these

dates can be found at hookedondriving.com. You can register there. You can find out more information,

and we would love to see you there. We will also be at Kota in Texas too. Looking forward to it.

Last thing to talk about, of course, is our pilgrimage trip. That is Germany and Belgium.

That is the Nurburgring and Spa. Two days of driving on Spa, Franco Champs, and one on the

ring as an actual track day. Not a TF public day. You want to come to an actual track day.

Because it's three track days, a little more expensive than in years past, but this also has

some really nice just tourist time built into this trip. It is August 2nd through 9th this year. We

have just a couple of spots left. I'm encouraging you. Send us your questions, everyday driver,

TV, at Gmail. We'd love to get you on this trip because this, I think, we've done it for a decade

now, and I am really excited about this itinerary. I think it's going to be one of the very best ever.

It is worth the money. It is worth coming. You will have an amazing time. I am already,

like, headspace in this trip, and it's August. I'm so excited. August, yeah. So you got to

come with us. A few spaces left, so sign up now. You can find that on hookedondriving.com,

but you can also find that at everydaydriver.com slash adventure. So you can register there,

and you can also find out about the September Utah adventure as well while you're on there.

We'd love to have you at all of these events for both hooked on driving and everyday driver.

Tiash writes to us for our first car debate. Thank you for writing, Tiash. Really appreciate it.

He's a big fan of the channel and tries to catch every podcast. Thank you.

Tiash is a 40-year-old family man with two kids. Okay. Makes a decent living, but like many people

with a young family, he doesn't have the flexibility to buy a new or lightly used sports car right

now. Okay. We're going to sell them on some. We're getting there, yeah. A few years ago,

Tiash set a goal to learn manual driving. So the one day he could own a manual sports car

in 2023. He bought a new Subaru WRX, his first new car ever as the practical and affordable

four door that still offered some performance. It's been a great daily, perfect car to learn,

stick on. And right now his plan is to keep that WRX long term as the daily attend a couple track

days each year to build skills. And then once it's paid off in about three years, he'd like to buy

a dedicated weekend slash track day, track sports car while continuing to daily the WRX.

Now, here's where he's torn. Manual cars, he writes, are becoming harder to find.

He doesn't want to rush into buying something new. Ideally, he'd like to pick up a well-sorted,

used manual sports car in the 40 to $50,000 range, preferably less than 10 years old,

with noticeably more performance and power than the WRX. Seating isn't a concern,

but his long-term goal is to get comfortable and used to that car on track and then in a decade

or so potentially buy a new sports cars. But he says, with manuals disappearing,

he's unsure what that future will look like. He says, great use manual sports cars that fit this

kind of budget and track use. What are those? What does it make sense to wait or buy a new sports car

sooner given where the market is heading? And any general advice for someone learning track

driving on a realistic family budget? Tiaz, I really appreciate this. You've got a lot to think

about and I love that you're saving. I love that you're jumping in, you're diving in to

performance driving and you're right. With young family, grown family, you've got to balance needs,

you've got to balance the budget. And regarding your manual transmission question, we're seeing now

that buyers are picking up more and more manual cars and in no way, I think we've done it. We've

saved the manuals and no way do I think the manuals are going away. Even 10 years from now, I think

someone will still offer a manual sports car that will be good. I think you've hit on something.

I think there's no chance there'll be no manuals on sale in a decade. The question mark will be

where are they in the market? Because what's happening right now is, and I find this fascinating,

manuals are available between the bottom of the market and $100,000 and then they vanish and they

pop up again in the millions and everything in the middle is kind of not really available to you.

I mean, you could make some exceptions with the 911 variants and that kind of stuff,

but generally that's about what we're talking. Early six figures, they all vanish,

they all become dual clutches and paddles, and then they pop up again in the Gordon Murray products

or Pagani's or whatever. So my concern is that all the manuals are going to go up high. I hope

even the cheap sports cars nowadays, I hope that the cheap sports cars continue to offer manuals.

My real concern, my real concern, genuinely, since we've driven the Ioniq 5N and the Prelude,

both of which do a good job of giving you sensations of controlling the car and it's all fake.

I'm very worried that manufacturers are going to lean into that too far. We're going to wind up

with, for the affordable end of the market, that the people that are spending lots of money can

still get a shifted yourself manual because that's what they're buying. They're buying the high end

watch, they're buying the high end car, they get the interactivity and the rest of us below 100

grand are going to be given fake interaction because we want interaction, but this is the

way we're giving it to you. And I say that because it works in the I5N, it works in the Prelude and

both of them are entirely fake. And it makes the cars more engaging to drive, but I'd like a car

that's actually engaging to drive and right now we're in a renaissance. There's a ton of stuff

that is available out there in manual that is good to drive as a manual. And I hope that is around

in 10 years, I believe with you. 10 years from now, manuals will be sold. I just am not sure where in

the market. Tiyosh, I'm putting on screen right now a shot that I had on my phone from our Cayman

GR86 comparison shoot. This was just the cars were parked while we were doing something else or

having lunch or resetting cameras or something. And it's a representative of example. I also

think your email is a representative example because I think, Tiyosh, you're speaking to more

than just you. I think he's speaking to a lot of people. How do I get something now? How do I get

a manual car? Are manuals going away? How do I get into track driving as little expense as possible?

And what's a good car? So these are two mid-engine and front engine representative examples, even

though you could chase either of these two cars. Again, I don't think it's hard to make predictions,

right? I would like to think that a Cayman will still exist. The Cayman will come back in some form

and the GR86 and some front engine Toyota manual sports car will continue to proliferate. Maybe

it swaps. Maybe the MR2 comes out and that's the Toyota mid-engine. And then Porsche brings the 944

back. We do the reverse of this photo. Instead of 987 Cayman and GR86, we swap them. You like

that a lot. I'd love to put those photos back to back. That'd be amazing. Something that's,

yeah, who knows. But I think whether you're shopping now, whether you're shopping later,

these are two great examples of relatively affordable to get into. You know, higher mileage

Cayman and a GR86 because I think these cars are going to be around a long time. Look how

the NA generation Miata's. There's still a ton of them around. They're cheap. Yes, you're right.

They're around and they're so beloved and there's such a community behind it that they're continuing

to offer tuning companies and new products. And that product was never well designed by a,

you know, by Mazda. And so let's build our own new shift gate or whatever that is. You know,

so there's going to be continually, continual investment in these cars. And so again, whether

you wait a year, wait two, wait three, but I do want you to get into something sooner rather

than later. And that is because when you're talking about the art and practice of manual driving

and then you want to go do it on track, I want you to have had the car for a while.

I want you to practice heel tone driven around on the street and on a road trip and a canyon drive

and start to get to use used to the car because this also sounds like a long term car for him.

Well, it used to it. Yes. And then learn track driving with the car he's used to.

Yes. And then also, I mean, he says he's going to take the WX, but he's looking for that more

track dedicated car. And then hopefully, because he said he's just turned 40s, hopefully in a decade,

he can buy the more expensive, more heavy duty track car. Fair. But he's training himself now.

That is key. Yes. For sure. These are your great options. I agree. I'd love for you to have actually

both or be able to live with both for a while because the dynamics are so different. And you

can also argue that the best drivers in the world can apply their skills and jump in any car. It's

not just the car they're used to. And it's not just the track that they're used to. And that's

why they're so fast because it's their car and their track. And you know everything really well.

That's a comfort zone that we've both experienced. And it's a great place. It's so much fun because

you know the limits of your car. You know what your car is doing. You know what that car does

out of that corner. And you know the track that you're on. It's very satisfying. But then the best

drivers can jump in any car. True. And a track they've just learned and they're seven laps in

and now they're doing the same things. Those are the pro drivers. So I want you to experience

different cars. I want you to experience the mid and the front. So I encourage you to go inexpensive.

These are two great examples. Get something sooner rather than later and start to live with it. But

only you can answer the balance of time balance of money to be able to do that.

It's something to to work into more and more. Now regarding your track driving question how do

you get into track driving more. I want you to forget about all the the stuff that track enthusiasts

can get into. It's a it's a rabbit hole just like any industry. I've heard horses is the worst.

Oh horses are bad. Boats are terrible. Airplanes are not good. Airplanes are very bad. Yeah.

So you get the buy-ins only the beginning on all of these things we're talking about. That's

true. Yeah. The part that we love best about hooked on driving is there are fast drivers that

bring dedicated track cars and they are prepped and they are sorted and they are fast drivers and

they're experienced. Those people are absolutely welcome. But what I love is when somebody comes

in with something stock that's not that powerful it's on street tires and they are there to learn

because all those skills will start to transfer and you can you can start to then think oh yeah

tire pressures. Oh yes I should get brake fluid changed. Oh yes maybe a little break upgrade

and then start to work slowly into it. But if if you don't know what the baseline of your car can

do you don't know what those changes will do for you. You don't know what the true difference will

be like. So I want you to bring whatever you have and we encourage all of you to bring any car. We've

seen Audi Q5s. Yeah yeah I don't recommend you bringing an SUV but just bring whatever you can

bring whatever you can. SUVs are top heavy and you know not great for track driving but still

people bring whatever. We've seen Jeep Trackhawks. Yes and we've seen I've seen an Altima and an

early 2000 Sonata on track. That's true. Just that's the car they had. Bring it. Bring it.

Come be coached. Come learn a track. Come start to learn those inputs and where to put your eyes

and what track driving feels like and how very different it is than street driving. Yeah yeah

and then start to work into things and then maybe an inexpensive sports car comes into your life

and then you start to those newfound skills you've got. The WRX is going to be great on track. It is.

I think you should drive it on track. I think that's your starting places. Bring a WRX to a hooked

on driving track day near you and get some coaching and start to experience a little bit of body

lean and where to put your eyes and how should I approach this corner and where does my braking

begin. Where does it end and start to answer all those questions and then that's going to start

you down this path and it's just easy inexpensive and you don't even have to drive that WRX really

hard. You don't have to learn. You'll grind the brakes into dust and set them on fire and turn

the tires into ash and you know you don't have to do all that stuff. Well while you're here on this

photo I'm going to add one thing for you. There's a lot of conflicting stuff and I don't think you

mean for it to be conflicting but there's some conflicting stuff in your email. I want to point

out too. One of them is you would like a car that is more powerful than your WRX

for your learn the track better car. The car you want to buy next like to be more powerful than

the WRX and then you ask later general advice for somebody trying to learn track driving on a

realistic family budget. The way to make tracking and you cannot see my air quotes if you're not

watching affordable. Okay it isn't affordable. We all have hobbies that we just spend too much on.

Track driving is about consumables. It costs money to go but then your car goes through stuff.

The only way to make track driving anything close to affordable is to get a light

low power car. Yeah so you might get a car that is on paper and the 86 is a great example but

the Miata is the other obvious example. My Lotus Elise is an example. These are cars that don't have

the power on paper of even your WRX but I will give you a personal example. I put some amazing

Yokohama 200 treadwear tires on my car. Okay those tires on just about anybody else would have been

done in a track day. I did five track days and 5,000 miles on those tires and one set of brake

pads in my Lotus Elise and that has nothing to do with my driving. It has everything to do with

the fact that the car doesn't weigh anything. It doesn't go through stuff. Conversely I have not

met a single person beginner or expert who has not gone through a set of tires and brakes on a

BMW M car in one day. They could be first day at the track or they've been to the track more

times and you can count and by the end of that day that sedan which drives wonderfully on track

and defies physics it needs everything. Brakes, rotors, tires we got to start again. If we're

coming back tomorrow it's going to have to be all fresh stuff because those cars are heavy and

they're defying physics so the cheap way to do it I hate to say it is Miata or 86 because they're

cheap to buy, they're cheap to buy parts for and they don't blow through stuff quickly.

That is in contrast to your question which is okay if I bought something in the 40 to 50,000

dollar range maybe less than 10 years old what is that performance car and I want to talk about

some of those but did you have more? That's where I'm landing. I love that he's investigating all

this questions are swirling but these are great places the Miata is a great place to start but

we've got to get him on track and start to feel what that track driving is like in any car.

Agreed yeah get that WX out there. It's like the skiers when you see somebody at a ski resort

and they don't have the latest coolest clothing and the latest skis and then you you know they

duct tape on their pants and they've got some older skis and then they're bombing the runs

and they're faster and better than everybody like oh local they know what they're doing skiing

for a long time local and they're awesome. Exactly they've got to rush it out super in

the parking lot but they are the person to try to keep up with. Doesn't matter you know pro drivers

or or excellent drivers in a Camry and they're smoking everyone because they know track driving

they know where to put their eyes they know limits of the car they can feel what the tires are doing

you know that that starts to translate so it doesn't matter the car to get into this great hobby.

Some things to think about Tiash on this and I'm just going to put up some cars that are

compilations of us you've already talked about 86 and Cayman I've talked about Miata those are

obvious even the Elise is obvious for stuff that's lightweight lightweight matters MR2 Spider would

be a really fun super cheap track car yeah let's go buy something light and cheap and you can work

on it and that's great such a great day but yeah I have right here in front of me the first time

we drove the GR Super which was with a Cayman and also with an M2 competition I'm thinking about

cars that you're going to buy in the next few years and you're trying to buy them for between 40

and 50 grand and you want it to be a manual with more performance than your WRX with all of these

three Supras Supra Cayman or MR2 but while I'm here what about a Nismo Z what about a dark horse

Mustang it's not be the first choice I would have but it is a more powerful car but then I've

got the Supra again in that comparison they're talking about the Nismo Z having a manual that

means that car's going to be every bit of 70 grand but in three or four years what's that car going

to be this was 70 grand it was 70 grand exactly and but I think those cars are not going to find

second buyers and so I think there may be a deal on those and the Nismo version of the

current Z car is excellent yeah while I'm here thinking 40 to 50 grand you can't get an Amira

for that yet but I've got all three low-tie on screen you can get versions of the Evora for 40

to 50 grand and you can get Elyse's for 40 to 50 grand have you even thought about a Lotus product

I'm just what I'm only showing you these photos Tios just to give you hope yeah I'm saying this is

stuff right now if you told me between now and five years from now I'm looking for cars like this

I've just given you like six or nine yeah okay and I'm and that's all stuff that's more powerful

more expensive all that kind of stuff I still think you could stay on the cheaper end of the pool

and be very very happy but I wanted to talk about those just to kind of give you some frame of

reference awesome Tiosh thank you so much for your questions keep us updated with your progression

your journey and again I think this is speaking to more than just Tiosh because so many people

have these kinds of questions so we encourage all of you use autotempus.com every day when

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thank you man he's writing in he's asking should two cars kind of become one here he has a 2011

BMW 535i with a six speed manual and he loves it first manual he's ever owned suits his needs very

well has a backseat large enough for three car seats that is key now we do know somebody our

friend Shane that did three car seats in the back of Fiesta ST I don't advise that I'd much

rather suggest something like this big five series he also has a year 2000 Porsche Boxster

that he got intending to get on track but he's had it for a year now and he's realizing he's just

his life isn't structured to take it to the track he could sell it to Tiosh he could that actually

would work that would be an excellent choice so those are the two realities and so he's sitting

there realizing he also doesn't really have room to own two fun cars so the Boxster stays

under some coverage and the BMW stays out in the sun he doesn't love that so maybe he either replaces

the BMW or he just sells them both and tries to get something that does all of the above he's looking

at alpha julia's because he could maybe spend as much as $25,000 which of course it's us so I

bumped it up to 30 to at least look oh I went to auto tempest he said 20,000 range then 25 max

and you're bumping to 30 I'm bumping to 30 you said 25 max let's be honest when you start searching

you got to look for at least five grand more just to see what the options are out there so maybe as

much as 25 to sell both of those cars he said could he get an alpha julia for that what about a

Panamera what about an Audi wagon he's actually intrigued with something else European but again

three car seats is a factor here doesn't need space he does want something that'd be track worthy

does need four doors decent backseat space where'd you go you know it has a gigantic backseat

manual transmission is fun to drive and inexpensive as a civic SI that's a great choice actually

that's really good we could almost call it done right there yeah okay the backseat is enormous

it's bigger than it should be it doesn't make any sense depends on the car seat you know I haven't

measured it's it's empirical testing but it's it's just us flying getting in it you and I are

big guys we get the backseat this car every time and go why can't everybody figure this out at this

size that's great the the civic is excellent yeah civic or the Mazda 3 hatch you could get the turbo

you could just go for the hatch I think this is going to be a little bit smaller the backseat

space is not I mean maybe depending on the car seats three wide but but you know gotta try it out

gotta figure that out uh next on my list is g70 because we're talking car seats not adults actual

legs legs is where this has trouble yep so we don't have that problem yeah that's why this could

work you're right it could definitely work and again I'm thinking 2025 I'm showing the 2.5 sport

prestige on screen right now Genesis and those were 49,000 new so maybe you'd have to bump up a

little bit 30 35 but this could be a really nice luxury option it's you've heard us before if

you're looking at the alpha you've got to look at the Genesis I agree if you're looking at the

Genesis you've got to look at alpha totally the same kind of thing yep and then I am showing the

HRC concept in Tegra because if we're gonna talk about Honda product just blow the budget completely

it's fine it's gonna be fine I doubled your budget and I'm just saying Integra type s again this is

the HRC concept but it's a really sweet photo and it's got a sweet wing and I just wanted to tease

you and tell you maybe Integra or something like that because uh you know if we're talking civic

SI we've got to type talking Tegra type s too so I think it's very good I'm I'm leaning more

towards Civic than anything because that is you know there were 29 new we recently last year tested

a 32,000 dollar version slightly used it's going to be at the top end of this budget giant pack seat

manual transmission 200 horsepower fun to drive Bob's your uncle I like this I'm gonna jump to

a couple of options here but mainly I stayed in sedans because what I'm feeling from your email

Tommy is that you want a more fun to drive car in the shape of your BMW you like the manual that's

good you like the manual but it's not a performance car but it is a big sedan and you've talked about

the Julia with the Julia work yes I think you would love driving the Julia the steering on the

Julia is excellent now your five series if it's not the X drive I looked this up the X drive had

hydraulic but he doesn't say he's got X drive so the rest of my head early electronic power steering

which means the really good BMW feel you want is not really going to be in your car this Julia

in any powertrain is fantastic to throw around a corner yes you're talking about Texas Hill Country

you would love this car in the Texas Hill Country now my question for you is I also think part of

the reason you like that BMW is because it is a manual how much are you going to miss a manual

here I can't really say I think that's the real unknown in this conversation Tommy but I think

the Julia is excellent yes you can do a Panamera an early Panamera for under 30 grand you can take

options now try not to get the base but if you get an s or a gts if you can find one for your

budget by the way some of the early turbos are down there don't do that don't do that no no no no no

the early turbos were tempting uh yeah very tempting the early turbos that engine was problematic

and they have not aged well so be careful yeah but gts or s are down there believe it or not

early Panameras I think that is a great choice you would the dynamics you're hoping for this really

is the merge of your five series in your Boxster is is a Panamera so I'm glad it's already on your

radar I have others for you for you as well though please please go by drive a Kia Stinger because

you might buy it Stingers are sweet Stingers are really really good tons of back seat space

you've got an actual hatch to work with for all of the plastic stuff that comes with kids

so you could throw strollers and madness in the back of a Kia Stinger and then still have a car

that when it's just you you'd enjoy those hill country roads get a GT and get the good the good

turbo engine I think you would love having a Stinger and then I have a wild card as well

while I'm here while I was thinking about big old sedans what's five series but more attitude

what's five series more fun the problem I'm having with all of these is I'm not in manuals which I

don't like because you know right now but the Dodge Charger RT and up gets you into a V8

that is really compelling because it's a big car with it here's the thing it's it's the size of

your five series and a little bit bigger with all the attitude your five series doesn't have

just be like the SRT massive back seats but RT and up gets you V8 so I'm showing I think a

skat pack here but but then of course I have to say Chevy SS because if you want the auto they're

available all day long yeah this is the performance car you wish your five series was and this is the

one that you don't have to be precious like the Porsche it's Chevy parts not a big trunk it looks

like a Malibu but it's not big trunk you can get it magnetic ride control the here's a funny thing

about these SS if you want to get on automatic you can get one right now for between 20 and 25

30 on the high side if you'd like to get a manual you better bring 45 and go up

they have split themselves by more than 10 grand it is crazy so unfortunately the manuals out of

your budget but these are excellent car Chevy SS I have to bang the drum for this car I think it's

in my contract somewhere I don't get a commission but I should Chevy SS is awesome and would answer

this question so Tommy I hope something in here helps you though I have to say your Civic is compelling

you could almost say Elantra in there too I didn't bring these I stayed in big sedan okay but if he

wants to go smaller the Elantra and the Civic both have got great back seats it's kind of shocking

how much space is in those cars all right well Tommy thank you for writing everyday driver tv at

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which we will get to thank you guys for sending those in yeah we're going to go to did you see

this and we're also going to do some audience questions because you guys are giving us tons

of questions and thank you for that I want to get to those for sure but um let's see I I have to

talk about something that I just I can't help but laugh so I have to put it in the did you see

this column and this is as close to Olympic commentary as we're going to get I'm sure many

of you have been watching the winter Olympics I've always liked the winter Olympics more than the

summer that says me personally I've been watching it when I can see it there's been some great

wrap-ups going on on YouTube I don't get a lot of chance so I've been watching a lot of like the

wrap-up compilations they've been great and I have to make fun of curling because I cannot

believe that ice shuffleboard is an Olympic sport you know and I also can't believe the level of

celebration that happens when I hit your rock away from my rock that that I just can't make it

connect I have learned about curling I learned that the stone comes from a single source on the

planet that's about as much as I can tell you seriously if curling isn't sponsored by Swiffer

it's a massive missed opportunity oh now I see Swiffer commercials and that's all I think all you

see is curling yeah that should be everything I feel like also this isn't even the one I want to

talk I'm gonna move on the one there is one sport that I have to put up on the screen here in a

second that I cannot believe is actually a thing that exists and can we just all laugh for a minute

that doubles luge is a thing luge is already a weird sport luge is already the world's most

hardcore version of sledding okay you laid down I mean I think skeleton looks awesome by the way

where you go ahead first skeleton is crazy but luge where you're steering with your ankles

essentially while you lay down on a sled is weird but then the question I have about doubles luge

where an actual full size person lays on top of another full size person while they do luge

and I just I struggle here's my struggle I struggle with what was the conversation

that led to we are doubles luge partners and not only is it a sport it's an olympic sport

doubles luge there is just no way I can wrap my head around this without laughing I don't care

men's doubles luge women's doubles luge I just and look I know I know there are sex jokes available

for doubles luge I get it even if I take that out of the equation this is ridiculous this is

ridiculous what on earth was the progression that led to I'm gonna lie on top of another person

and I'm gonna hurl myself 90 miles an hour while steering with my ankles what on earth

bets were lost heavy drinking was involved seriously jokes were made I and the conversation if you

are a double double luge person please call this podcast right I want to know the conversation that

led to that person and I we are doubles luge partners we are olympic level level doubles I just

I can't get there I I almost have to not look at the screen because every time I see a photo

of doubles luge all it does is make me laugh I have to say I have belly laughed more in the last

week that I have in months and it's been entirely due to doubles luge moving on to some great audience

questions thank you guys from Daniel on Facebook asking if you own a black or dark colored car

what are some non-tacky ways to add some color to the outside or the inside and also what are

our favorite touch surface materials to see in a car real wood aluminum crystal that kind of thing

so if you own a dark colored car the best way to do it is to think of tone on tone but light

tones and dark tones but if you're adding color it's still got to be in the same tone so a dark gray

and a light gray so you wouldn't want to go to a color that is full saturation it would still have

to be a neutral red let's use red or orange or something so you wouldn't want to go bright saturated

version of that color you'd still want to add think of adding black or white to that color

so you go a neutralized sort of color that's why bronze works so well and bronze works on any

car color I think you're a big fan of bronze yeah I'm a huge fan and bronze and all the different

shades you can go brighter you can go go darker but what's great is if you've got a lighter colored

car you can go with a darker bronze wheel or a darker it's less bronze and more gunmetal or

you know less saturation less orange and less brown in it and then if you've got a dark colored car

you can go some pretty bright bright wheels and just right wheels are key get away from black

wheels yeah even just a hint of color like a champagne it doesn't have to be bronze or gold

just a just a light little bit where it kind of makes you do a double take that's the

sophisticated and subtle now regarding your question for materials you've named all honest

materials and I like that car manufacturers are going back to that as much as possible but there's a

huge industry and suppliers to make a material look like that and it is not because it's much

cheaper to make but you've got to think when there's real wood why don't we go back to real wood well

there's airbags in the dash and there's crash safety standards so you can't have splinter woods

that's why the veneers are so minuscule there's you know microscopically thin yeah but i do love

where wood is going in cars it's that open poor look and the best news of all is piano black

is going away i mean we're seeing less and less shrinking and shrinking which is good but i love

aluminum i like aluminum touch you know i like pattern materials and i like the fabrics too

i like that a lot just textiles dammy is writing a question how are you man he's writing a question

that is close to where i am in life he says he's shopping in the month or so for a five

thousand dollar vehicle for their daughter who is about to be a driver i my son literally has

just started going all over the place in the last couple of weeks in his mini he's having so much fun

he is completely in love with his car and i am navigating the reality of being very proud of him

and also my wife who's going do you think he's okay and she she actually knows he's a good driver

and she's not helicoptering him on this seat but she's just having those net normal mom things of

okay but he hasn't texted me that he got there yet like we'll get there we're getting there

he's doing great but dammy is asking he's looking on auto tempest dot com slash every day he's looking

for a decent driver for her about five thousand dollars he thinks he should get her a hatchback

or a sedan but then he wonders would his daughter appreciate a five thousand dollar old pickup so

he can use it to go to the dump dammy don't do this to your poor daughter don't don't do this don't

do this why'd your dad get you that here's the thing i would say to you here's the thing i would

say to you in order to best navigate potential disappointment in your child when buying them

a car okay now first off no kid deserves a car okay there every kid on the planet and i got a car

and my son got a car but you have a roof over your head your parents are feeding and hopefully

they're treating you well you don't you don't deserve a car unless you have a job and you bought

your own car no 16 year old just should demand a car it's a blessing no matter what my son's car

was thankfully very cheap he likes it very a lot but it was forty two hundred dollars which was very

inexpensive and he's still going to help us with paying stuff and a whole other thing i think you

want to get your kid in a car that they don't hate driving and they don't feel like you forced

yourself on them so what i think you do is if you'd like a small pickup dammy then buy yourself

one and then at that point you push a car down to your daughter if i feel like and i could be wrong

but i feel like if a kid inherits a car that's already in the family they may not love it but

they understand that car was already in the fleet and that's the one you get to drive now that may

not they may not love it this is how i got a car they may not love it i got a car exactly but they

understand it that car is around and available and i can drive it if you're going to put a new car

in the fleet if it's for them get something they want okay or get something you want and they get

a car that already existed but don't go buy a car you want for them to drive at that point they're

going to be like so you bought me a present you bought me you wanted you bought me a dump run truck

exactly don't do that don't do that i mean nuance here family dynamics at work but you know the

easiest thing is just they drive a car in the fleet and if you're my son i have to tell the

story on him again we told him we were going to keep the old cayenne he's like i don't want to drive

the cayenne as my first car and i went whoa whoa there is no more spoiled child moment that i don't

want the old Porsche for my first car he has since recanted but he loves his mini and that car was cheap

Nate M on facebook asks if we think there's room in the 911 lineup for a new 912 all analog no

screen static everything manual transmission priced around 70 or 80 thousand dollars a dumb 911

here's the 911 and here's the dumb one i i want to shake my head so much it hurts yes i totally

agree bring that car and just think what the marketing team could write just think we've

gone back to our roots uh-huh we've gone back to the manual that enthusiasts love and the the

engagement the dynamism that Porsche is known for and we've offered our enthusiasts now the thing

that they want and blah blah and it's also an opportunity i can't believe i'm going to say this

to offer less power you just go analog less less expensive lighter weight less power

yes all of the above 912 would be phenomenal i love that idea it's the dumb 911 yes i'd like

Craig asks this question and i can't entirely answer it yet but he brings up a good point

he thinks Mazda made a mistake in getting rid of the command knob interface and their HVAC controls

in favor of a giant tablet in the upcoming updated 2026 Mazda CX-5 what do we think

Craig Mazda was the last holdout they were the last ones yes and now they are leaning into

all right i guess it's just a big iPad in the dash i very much want to exactly i very much

want to drive the updated CX-5 for this reason i i'm bummed i'm not surprised but i'm bummed

and i think Mazda again Mazda was still hanging on to knobs and buttons and here's here's where i

feel bad for Mazda here's where i'm actually bummed Mazda may have caved right when everybody

else decides maybe we got it wrong that's my concern because if the new CX-5 is this now

they're stuck into a life cycle of a car that is leaning touch screens when all of their competitors

are going to start pulling back we haven't seen it yet but that seems to be the sea change that's

happening jared you've got a question on facebook that i am going to run with okay good what is your

ideal engine swap what engine would you feel suits a car better than the one it came with

the civic type R engine in the prelude everybody's asking there you go i mean you

kind of ask for it a little bit but yeah fair point that's it it suits it better bring the

prelude back do i need to keep going on no thank you guys for all your great questions we really

appreciate all the emails you're doing a great job i want to continue to encourage you write topic

tuesday's car conclusions the topic tuesdays are great you're really very thinking it makes us dig

in and then yeah it's awesome i love our list so if it's a list based kind of thing those seem to do

really well about the list i love it it's great list well everybody loves hearing about the list

the top three the best three the worst three the top five this whatever the lists are we love the

lists and those car conclusions are great and those car debates keep them coming guys looking

forward to next time as always cheers

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