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Exploring the intricacies of four-wheel drive systems, this episode dives into the best practices for operating SUVs and pickup trucks. Host Dave Polage discusses the importance of using the correct drive mode, especially the risks associated with all-wheel drive on uneven tire wear. He shares anecdotes from his experiences in the automotive world, including the consequences of improper tire maintenance and the often-overlooked details in owner's manuals. The conversation also touches on the need for better education on vehicle features and the amusing stories surrounding automotive promotions and contests.
Topics:
four-wheel drive systems
tire maintenance
owner's manuals
drive modes
automotive promotions
repo stories
vehicle education
In this episode of Bricks and Bumps, we discuss why leaving your car in AWD might not always be the best choice and when 2WD is the way to go. Plus, we talk about the strange world of promotional games gone wrong; like a guy being denied a car after nailing a football challenge. And don’t miss Dave’s quirky idea about selling historic bricks. Tune in for some laughs and insight!
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Let's Talk Cars Radio, Dave Polage.
Speaker 2: Happy Saturday, America. You're listening Let's Talk Cars Radio on
WKQA Freedom Radio. I'm your host, Big DAVP hanging out
with camera, Chaos as Normal and NATEVB. Hey, guys, it
is a great day for a radio show. Hopefully where
you're at, it's a good day for a car show.
You guys are out there and enjoying them, and you guys are listening to the show. We're gonna keep you
guys entertained. I want to jump right into some stuffed
this week. I got some interesting things, so I don't
even know even where to even begin. On this thing
you guys. If you guys know I said, I told
you I got to take you out all the time.
I like to stop in the shops, have conversations, and then listen to what it's going on at shops. And
the conversations are having at shops, then of course it turns into stuff to talk about on the show. Right,
All right, let's talk about your guys' pickup trucks and your SUV's and all that kind of stuff and your mode selection. Right, So if you drive an suv or
pickup truck and some of the smaller SUVs, I think have it now too. There's a mode selection for four
wheel drive, all wheel drive, auto drive, all that kind of stuff that you can select from, right, two wheel drive, yeah, and then of course the two wheel drive. I thought
that was a given, but maybe if you need to throw it out there, two wheel drive. My issue is,
many times this keeps on coming up on conversations, okay, of what mode you should be using or why or how when whatever it may be.
Speaker 3: What's the use case scenario or worst case scenario.
Speaker 2: Like as far as our use, use case use, I've never heard of use case scenario.
Speaker 3: Like when you would use.
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, let's I think it's a new adjective,
but it's a good one, all right. So here's the deal.
Like I can tell you guys on the Chevy, I know Ford does it. I think Ford does it all
it automatically does it all the times. You have the
all wheel drive version on it, and I don't think you have the selector like Chevy does. So correct me
if I'm wrong. Then I know Dodge has a different
setup too. On a Chevy truck, you should be riding
around in the two wheel drive mode, right, and everybody goes, well, mine has auto or mine has an all wheel drive? Uh,
you know, selection, You're right, it does. My issue with
it is we if you don't know? And I think
I've explained this kind of before. Okay, So you have
SUVs that have all wheel drive all the time. I've
told you guys, tires play havoc on that system. And
everybody's like, well, how's that? All right? So when the
vehicles first purchased, right, all the tires are the exact same dimension, They're all the same rounds, have the same amount of tread on them. Everything the circumference of the
tire changes as a tire wears So let's just say that you are an aggressive driver and you tend to wear out your front tires more. Now the front tires
have less tread depth on them in the rears, that means that the circumference of the tires are different. Even
though they're put on the same time and you've been driving around the same amount of time, you could end up having different tread dept different on all four corners.
And if you had that, when you're in an all wheel drive mode that has a clutch set up on the transfer case and stuff like that, those clutches constantly are being applied and everybody's like, why is that. I'm like,
because an all wheel drive, the tires wheels have to spin at the exact same speed. You want to always
be at the exact same speed. So the computer is
compensating for that, and it's applying the clutch to slow down the front tires to match the speed of the rear tires, or vice versa, whatever it may be. All
four corners trying to and it's working overtime to slow everything down so everything's moves at the same speed. Now,
I try to explain to people so they understand, if you had a manual vehicle and you rest your foot on the clutch and you rode the clutch, what is up happening to the clutch burns it up? That's right.
It's the same thing that's going to happen in your all wheel drive or your auto mode. If you have
a if the tires are constantly trying to keep up with speed, and everybody goes, well, why do they make the vehicle that way? Then I'm like, because in the
perfect world it would work decently. They never have worked great.
Guys on the Chevy trucks never ever have worked great.
Speaker 4: Well, it's probably what a flaw that probably wasn't really thought out right, because you know, there's a purpose to use each mode, and you could probably use the mode for a small you know, time to you know, get you through the problem that you're you know, curR right to a certain agree, but you should drive it, you know, and what mode you drive most often?
Speaker 2: Right, it is, so you use twol drive on a Chevy truck of all the ones I've had. Unless you're
going to be driving on dirt road, maybe maybe extremely wet pavement and or snow, then of course you might want to use the auto mode, but you're not. The
driving conditions are different. Those clusters are applying stuff like that,
try to keep it and it makes sense to do so what you don't want to do, and if you go on a bunch of forms, they'll tell you is the worst thing you do is turn that thing on and put it in automotor or put it in the aut wheel drive or whatever one you have, and then drive with it on drive pavement. And then those clutters
are constantly trying to apply turn on and turn off to keep those tires going. You are going to burn
it up now, will drive?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, We'll be a little bit audible. Yeah, it's probably
gonna have some audible noise to it. And the reason
why is what you hear is you hear the clutch is coming on and coming off, and then you hear things start to get warm. And as you get warm,
we know that front differential is rear differential whatever. If
they start to get warm, whatever, they start to have a little bit of an audible noise to them. You
can just kind of hear the there's a little bit of a I won't say a wine, but it is kind of a win it's like a whoa, you could hear it. Think about driving that for fourteen hours straight
where that thing is just getting hot and those clutches keep on turning on and turning off because that's what they're designed to do. There's no reason for it, like,
there's no reason for it to be in that mode.
And everybody goes, well, I got a vehicle, it's all will drive all the time. You're right, And if you
go ahead and drive around a difference or comforts tires on it, because you wear your tires out quickly, you are going to burn something up. Eventually. It happens all
the time. I'll give you a perfect example. So I
used to have people come to us all the time where they put a spare tire on a front wheel drive car and then also they got a transmission problem.
And they're like, I didn't have a transmission problem. I
just had to blow out. Now I got transmission problem.
Like I'm like, you're right, how long have you drove around on that tire for? Well, I'm gonna drove around
on a couple of days plenty enough. That tire is
designed to get you off of the freeway in tour pair station, not to drive around on it, and if you drive around on it, you have two different circumference tires, so that transmission is working overtime trying to keep those tires spinning at the same speed. And as it tries
to keep those tires spin at the same speed because one's a small spare and one's a full size tire, you burn the transmission up in it. Now you need transmission.
And people are just mystified by how that happens all the time.
Speaker 3: In Toyota trucks, they talk about on all their forms, how they say to leave it in two wheel drive.
On GMC they actually have a whole page dedicated to it on what drive mode to select, they say to use tour because sometimes you know, they labeled as tour off road weather. With the newer vehicles, they said leave
it in touring, And then I was just.
Speaker 2: Curious, but it's touring two wheel driver, four W two wheel drive.
Speaker 3: I was curious if they put it in the owner's manual, So every owner's man is a little bit different. But
I pulled it up for your truck. And in chapter
nine they actually do go over the differences between automatic transfer cases and various drive modes. And they say to
leave it in two wheel drive for every day driving.
Auto is when the road service conditions may vary, meaning like and every.
Speaker 2: Is wet, snow, dirt, dry is for snow and ice covered roads, and some some off road conditions.
Speaker 3: And four wheel low is off road only off road.
But here's the thing, when that comes straight out of your owner's man.
Speaker 4: And because they're bill for certain scenarios, not for everyday drive case scenarios.
Speaker 2: Look, here's the thing. You can by all means you
can put in automode. You can put it in all wheeldrive.
They obviously had to put it in.
Speaker 3: They obviously had to put it in the owner's manual because something happened, so they had to describe it. They
don't just put stuff in owner's manual.
Speaker 4: Look, I feel like most people just don't know the use case scenarios for the different types as well as you know, there's just there's so much technology that you know, offloads into these cars every year that you know they have to read the menu.
Speaker 2: They do. But here's the thing. I spend a lot
of time, a lot of time explain the people this.
I'm like, look, this is what you should drive well.
I've been driving around on that forever. I'm like, and
that's the reason why you're visiting us today. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 4: Right, But it's an unknown thing, like for people that don't understand cars and how they work.
Speaker 3: It's an unknown problem that you know.
Speaker 2: The fix is for it. Do you think that the
dealerships should do a better job?
Speaker 3: Like, okay, so you know.
Speaker 2: PDI right during PDI is right, So when you deliver the vehicle to somebody, and back when I told you guys, I sold cars for a very small period of time, I just didn't have the heart for it. I just
I think, Look, I got a lot of the auto sales guys that listen to the show and stuff. I'm not.
I just some dealerships they'll sell car cars for any reason.
I'm not talking about used car dealerships so talking, I'm talking about new cars. I have a fix for it.
I have.
Speaker 3: So my fix is, you know how you have to drive a car newer vehicles. You have to drive a
vehicle for four thousand and five thousand miles into it unlocks the full performance of the vehicle instead of just unlocking the full performance. Why you descriptions on the screen,
Why not put them through a tutorial class when though they probably will, You're right, they probably will. But what
happened if you first when you first purchased a vehicle, it was set on new user mode and it was like, okay, bring them to a parking lot, and it's like show them all the features, you know, like these are your blinkers or show them tips you know, like did you know about this?
Speaker 2: Like like I said, when I want to go sell cars, like I said, short period of time. I keep saying
that because it was a short period of time. We
had to when we sold a car, we had to take the Owner's Manual out and when the person went to go take a car, and we'd walk them through the highlight of most important things in the owners manel before we turn the car over. We put the person
in the driver's seat and sit them down in their driver's seat and go over things and let them push the buttons and touch things and stuff like that and explain it. We had do that. I don't know if
they do that anymore. I know they didn't do that
in the last car I purchased one of the car.
But that was like a complete step. You could not
sell the personal car the dealer shop. I worked out
without that worked out without walking them through the producing.
Speaker 3: Right like or like Apple does? You know most cars
they have the same entertainment system in it. It just looks
a little bit different. You know what my Nate's car
uses the Ford system. You know when it boots up
my sink, you know that's that's what it's called. Or
yours Chevy link you know, well the.
Speaker 2: Toy and the toy has the toyl link which gives me all the main instuff stuff stuff.
Speaker 3: Right, Why don't they know what Apple does? You know,
when you buy a new product, you can come to a tutorial class and they show you how.
Speaker 2: To use you know what I do want? I had
a tutorial class from my phone.
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm us, we're car. We know we
know how to use blinkers. You know, some people need
to learn. I mean with the newer technology.
Speaker 2: I believed behind they don't know how to use blinkers.
Speaker 3: We'll say.
Speaker 4: When I was impressed when I bought my car is that you can access the owner manual from the touch screen.
Really was pretty Any questions you have to like dig through the glove box or if you took it out of the glove bike hate Just.
Speaker 2: So you guys know, I hate the fact that the owner's manual takes up like most my glove what's the point of having glovebox? Can't put anything else in it
because the owner's manil takes up pretty much all room with a little and I like the little package.
Speaker 3: Why haven't they built an actual draword just for the owner's manual? You know, they know how big it is.
Why don't they just build an actual because it's not meant to be storage. Is meant for your gloves and
your owner's manual?
Speaker 2: I no, no, it is. You're right, Like I said,
it's well, does anybody really even store gloves anything in the glove box? I don't know why we can call
it see people who out, I kid you not. I
think probably like and I do laugh about that because back in the day, when we're working on cars and stuff all the time, and I'd open up the glove box to go look, and there were set of gloves, and I'm like, and I'd had to like, everybody would gather around. I'm like, look, man, you know it's funny
because it would make a great video, and everybody peers their head and to look at the set of gloves that are actually in the glove box and you're working.
But no, I just I think that there is some uneducation that runs into that, the fact that a lot of garages are talking about it and it keeps happening, and people don't know what motor drive run. And I like, literally, guys,
if I had a dollar for every time I've heard somebody tell the story or try to educate somebody on the story about tires being all the same size on a car and how that wears the car out, and people are just oblivious to the fact that that happens on all wheel drive cars and there's a lot of oil drive cars out nowadays, and people are like, I've never heard of that before, and they really think that you're trying to take them for a ride. They do.
They think you're trying to lie to them and you're really just trying to help them. Because I'll tell you
right now, a lot of tire come companies. I won't
mention the names of them. We'll sell you tires and
never have that conversation. They're like, oh, you just need
two front tires.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where the problem kind of stems from.
Speaker 2: It does, but that's what ends up happening. Like they're like, well,
I just had two tires put on it, so and so, and I'm like right, and it's all will drive. And
they knew better, they should have sold you four. Well
why don't they say something to me? And I'm like,
I can't answer that, but I can tell you, from the standpoint of a transmission side of things, you needed to have four. And all they did was basically put
a time ticking time bob on your transmission by selling you too. I've had people put tires on their car
and two weeks later transfer case is junk and they had no problem with it, and they bring it in they're like, man, I just had some tires. No idea
was going on, Like you got two brand new tires on the front and old ones on the back, and the transfer case worked over tim and the blue transfer case up because of that, and they are mystified. Guys.
Keep it in two wheel drive if you have it, if you have all wiel drive, make sure you're always buying four tires. If you don't understand it, go look
it up. There's tons of information on that you guys
can find me that note.
Speaker 3: I got to take a quick crurser break and I'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist.
Now back to your host, Dave Polach.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So here's an interesting one for
you guys. Do you remember when I told you guys
about uh remember the golf games that had cars that you could win a car if you hit a hole in one and they weren't paying out like it was all this content. There was like two of them, like
Right and Roads controversy. They didn't want to pay off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they usually get like a whole in one thing going on or you know, some type of specialty event.
Speaker 2: There was one guy that was a whole on one like he he bounced it off a building and then got it into the hole in one and that's how he won. And they were like, well that doesn't count
because your bunce with He's like, what does it matter the fact that happy gilmourg I should get cars for that, you know, I mean like really, that's how I felt about it. And then there was the female dude, you
you literally happy gilmourd you'r shot in and won the car, Like I mean, like you should get two cars out of that day. I'm just saying. But then there was
a female golfer who at one point in time I guess played in college or something like that. So they
considered her a pro pro or semi pro, which then they said disquality from hitting it. But they didn't like
tell her that before they let a register. They invited
her to come play at the tournament as it was right, no.
Speaker 3: Prom taking the money and so you're right, right, So there was that.
Speaker 2: So now and then, like I told you, guys, stories like weird ones like uh, you shoot the hockey puck and then you win something and basketball shot right right, the basketball shots whatever it is that there's a lot of insurance this car At the end of it there's a car and there's some type of money prize or something like that. But what people don't know, maybe you
guys don't know, I do because I used to have to set up promotions like this, uh way back in the day. Uh in my earlier car career, we did
we did weird things. And there's insurance to buy, which
is prize insurance. And then when you tell them what
prize it is you want to give, and then they give you a price to insure it. So if somebody
wins the prize, you're covered. Okay, that's how it works.
I'm not going to get into all the this schmatics of how that all works and stuff like that, but there is stuff that exists for that to cover you. Right,
So when you hear about these people that don't want to pay out, you just kind of go, what like, did you not have insuranceship? And then I find out
that sometimes it's just a dealership doing it on their own, and then they try to be weasley. And that's what
some of the ones we've heard recently. Well, here's another one.
So a student at Purdue University, I guess, was at a football game, right, and the prize was a two year car lease. By the way, just so we understand,
a two year car lease is not really a really big prize, right when you actually break down the money of it, it's really not a lot of money. I
think comes out to be a little over five thousand dollars.
It's not like we're talking like one hundred thousand dollars, like they're going to pay your car least for two years you get it to the lease. You don't even
own the car.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, so onn't you rather have like the money value of that if it's not something you can I personally own or take home, Like I mean, you're kind of just release it.
Speaker 2: Do you give me if you give me a car to use for two years right free of car? I
probably want the car other than the money. Maybe not,
because like I said, the value it's probably only gonna be like five.
Speaker 3: In two years. You have to find another car, or
you can buy.
Speaker 2: The lease out.
Speaker 4: You can buy a keeper car you could be that I could own then like a nicer car.
Speaker 3: That two year lease.
Speaker 2: Depends on what kind of card is. And don't even
it doesn't eve tell me what kind of card is.
But I get what you're saying, but like I said, the value of it. Okay, so you can get like
a decent car lease at three hundred dollars a month, do three hundred some dollars a month to buy that by two years, like I said, you're going to be somewhere in the five thousand. You know what I mean?
Times it not to buy you know what I mean?
I failed, man, apparently, but you know you all get what I'm talking about. So here was the thing. He
had a I mean, if you're not a professional kicker, right, I mean like and stuff like that, that's this is not I don't I don't think it's every day right, No, right, you're not doing it every day. He had a kick
a field goal at twenty, he had a thick kick, a field goal at the thirty, and then a field goal at the forty.
Speaker 3: So new competition.
Speaker 2: This was a competition, okay, So and he had to kick it. He hits the twenty, he hits the thirty,
he hits the forty, now forty. I've watched professional kickers,
and this was like that. This It was that a
football game. Football. Same people in attendant too, by the way,
watching this happen. So he kicks them all. Everybody goes crazy.
This guy wins. Like I said, Soncki's winning. I mean,
if it was one hundred thousand, it should have been one hundred thousand dollars car. You should have owned it
for that. I mean, you're not a kicker, You're not
a like, you're not watch professional NFL guys miss those.
Speaker 3: I will say the prize could have been just a little bit.
Speaker 2: You should own the car. I'm just saying, like, well,
the average costs for a nice car nowadays is close to one hundred grand? Is it for a nice car?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really nice car. It is.
Speaker 2: He heard a really nice car. Look I'm trying to
help him out. Look, he deserved a really nice car.
Look all right, Right, I know I couldn't hit the twenty to thirty and the forty. I might be able
to hit the twenty, I'm sure, And I've probably not hit the thirty or the forty either, not in a row without missing. I'm just saying, line me.
Speaker 3: Up, boys, line me up.
Speaker 2: You won't hit it either. But I'm just saying so.
But here's the thing. They try to weasel out. Here's
another one, like they didn't. He gets an email. Right,
they didn't he gets.
Speaker 3: It, not even celebrate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he hits it, like the crowd goes wild, they think they hit it. He goes home thinking he's
getting this car at least for two years. And then
he gets an email says, hey, by the way, we reviewed the tape. We review the tape. That's when you
know you're really trying to get out of things, right.
I'm like, I'm just calling it what it is. We
review the tape, and you were like a millisecond or a second short of hitting the ball. So apparently there
was a timer and they had thirty seconds to line up and then kick the ball and get it off.
And apparently his foot didn't make connection with the.
Speaker 3: Ball, which doesn't make sense at the time, like because within the thirty.
Speaker 2: Seconds the distance doesn't change.
Speaker 3: I'm still kicking the ball with forty yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I got you.
Speaker 3: It's usually in the thirty five seconds and everything. I mean,
I don't I don't see anything changing if you give them thirty to thirty five seconds.
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't what the wind changed for a brief second.
Speaker 4: Well, no, it's usually like a time event, so you have to do all of what they expect you to do in a certain aunt of time. So I'm guessing
what in the certain amount of time he didn't actually hit the ball in time.
Speaker 2: Mister Sam. As they line them up for the twenty
right for twenty, he gets ready and they start like a little timer for thirty seconds, and you got to within thirty seconds. You got to run up, kick the
ball and get it right. Then they reset you back
at the thirty and then they get you you're ready, yep, and then they start the timer and you run you kick the ball right right. So now he's at the forty.
They set the timer and they he's with him like I don't know millisecond or second whatever it is from where his foot he has her runs and his foot foot connects with the ball. They had. Let's put it
this way, they had to run it back on a videotape to see see where his ass I'll tell you how close it was.
Speaker 3: Everything celebrating, right, so of course.
Speaker 2: You know everybody else all the things to make it.
And then you send them an email saying, hey, buddy, by the way, we went ahead and we appreciate it showing up. Yeah, we looked closely at this and your
foot didn't connect with the ball within the thirty seconds allowed, so we're not pay out the car. I love the
he was there. They like to pick you out of
the crowd or whatever. I'm sure university, right, Yeah, So
I love the fact that when justice hits so of course everybody saw you win the car, right, and then the story question and the story breaks that they're not going to pay you.
Speaker 3: Ever's talking about it. They just witness you know, crazy
crazy and.
Speaker 2: It's right because you'd go I'd go crazy for somebody, and there I'll be like, man, good for him, you know.
Imagine I'm that type of person. I like to see
people win. I just I like the underdog kind of thing.
I always have. But to get a letter in the
email like, hey, we reviewed it and you didn't win, by the way, but we're gonna get you two undred and fifty dollars. You get two hundred and fifty dollars. Congratulations.
One something maybe maybe they're the first two kicks or something that.
Speaker 3: They thought that was a bit of reliability or whatever the words I'm looking at, meaning that you knew that he won something, right, because if he didn't and then he only did make the two kicks and didn't make the third. You want to give them out the two.
Speaker 2: Here's the best part about it, right, So the best part about this that I love is the people rallied.
All those people were there and saw it. So the
story gets out and they start calling and writing letters and sending emails or whatever, and it goes publicitly bad obviously for the university who and then they try to pin it off on the car dealership. And then the
car dealership is like, well, it actually goes to this insurance company, which makes me believe that it's an insurance company that they had a prize insurance policy on it.
Once they said go insurance company. Well they decided to
finally get the kid of the car or should you take the car or you could take it like five thousand dollars or whatever it is. I did offer them
the cash value or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: The cash value, I'm guessing I don't know.
Speaker 2: It doesn't say. But here's the thing, I just probably
not funny. We keep on getting these stories like over
and over again. These people are just you offer a
car and then you don't want to pay it out, and it's like it'd be one thing if it was like one story. I mean, I hear it regularly and
if you guys go, look, there's tons of accounts of this and people trying to weasel out of given the prize.
I don't get it, like you think the publicity own would be horrible that you get when you decide that you're the weasel doesn't want to pay off on the prize, like and you know what I mean. So it's always unfortunately,
it is, it's it's it's an unfortunate thing. But like
I said, it keeps happening. Like short, we gave a
car away a car once, if you guys remember going back, But the hoops you have to jump through for a lot of that stuff is some hoops, like for us, we didn't give way brand new car. We gave away
a car that was was donating to us and then we end up giving away to a needy family and stuff like that. But that car jumped through a lot
of hoops to go over through everything on the car.
Speaker 4: But you can also see, like you know, some some circumstances like when like they do those major prizes, you're not you know, you're not expecting you know, an Olympic star to do your event or you know, like the odds.
They're probably not thinking the odds of that, right, so they're thinking like, well, no, I'm not talking about that guy, but I'm talking about like in some scenarios right where like you have like okay, so.
Speaker 2: The golf the golfer, do you think offer things that that that should account.
Speaker 4: Its obviously like you know she wins because you know there was nothing against it, but those, you know, like some of the things that you think about, like when you're hosting those big events, like the small things that like you don't think about that could have the small chances of player.
Speaker 3: That's the whole purpose insurance, But not really because insurance. Okay,
it happened to us when we were trying to give away the seventy five inch flat screen TV and then the pro being baggers.
Speaker 4: But it's not that you don't think about where there's like you know there's someone in that pro level, like like you're right there, have insurance, but the insurance is not thinking about pro people coming in and playing that you know that tournament.
Speaker 2: I just know if you think about it. So he's
talking about so we do a game. We do a
game when we go out to events and stuff like that, and it's throwing corn hole, uh bean bags, you know, the cornhole game, but it's not the exact rules. Ours
is how many you can make in a row without missing.
So that's how it works for us for you to win a prize from us. Now I don't have that,
I don't sure that or anything like that because I don't care.
I'm just giving away with the TV, you know, seventy five inch led whatever TV. But obviously designed the game
because for people, some people it's hard to hit him in a row. Now, people go, well, that doesn't sound
like it's a great game. Keep in mind a nine
year old had the highest score last time, nine in a row. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, so it could
be done. And he's the one who took the prize home,
so it can be done. But for the pro guy,
the pro guy isn't playing all the time to sink or drop him. They're playing strategy as far as getting
them on the board and then knocking things and stuff like that. So I knew that by doing that type
of game that pro guys think they're at advantage. But
a lot of pro guys come up could not accomplish them.
Speaker 4: But they do have a better advantage or a skill gap compared to people that don't play it.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Obviously the nine year old had
the best skill advantage because he's the one that paid.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm at the university.
Speaker 2: We loaded the TV up for him and everything and delivered the TV. And then there's another one who won it,
and we shipped a TV out to them because they were in Pennsylvania and they wanted they urged in town. So,
like I said, I just think it's kind of creepy that people do that. It's just my personal opinion. If
you when you win, you got some of what you think.
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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back to the show. So here's an
interesting one for you guys that popped up. Did you
guys see about the Tesla truck that I guess is damaged and which one's not?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: So I saw I saw one it was indestructible. No,
they never said I saw one the other day they had the rear quarter crushing. It passed me in traffic.
Oh really already Yeah, somebody already hit it and had the rear quarter panel crushing. And I just looked at
it in the way it's built. And you guys have
seen running around you just realize that you're probably thrown it away. I don't know, I don't think you can.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the rental one still the Yeah, the baby blue one that drives around over here in the city. Yeah,
it's a baby baby blue Uh, Tesla truck has to I'm thinking it's a rental because every time I see somebody in it, it's somebody different. I'm thinking it's a rental.
But it drives through town Center all the time. If
you're driving over there, I.
Speaker 2: Thought I saw the baby blue one, but I didn't realize it was a rental. But I did see the
baby blue one. Guy out here has got a Matt
Maroon one too. It's been wrapping Matt Maroon wrap on it. It
looks kind of cool. It's different, but he's he looks
like he's done the lyft on a little bit and do the bigger tires on it. Because there's a different
set off stile stars. But I don't like the tire
second I showed you, guys those There's so much more that could have been done and what people are doing to them if you get online and you take a look, like I think there's a couple of YouTube pages are out there where they've torn apart and put like long travel suspensions on them and stuff like that, and the rims of tire. I think we talked about this once before,
and the truck's just so much cooler that way, and I really wish that's the way the truck would have came out. Not to say it's the end all be
all trucks, because it's just not even when they said it was going to be. And don't get me wrong,
you guys know, I'm a Tesla fan. I believe in
Tesla and what they're doing. But I just think if
it would have came with the long travel and the different set of wheels on it and it looked more like a like a pre runner off road Baja truck, it just like these guys have turned them into.
Speaker 3: It had been cool, right, It was definitely designed before it was engineered, so one definitely designed it. It was like,
all right, we're gonna make this work.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make this work. I don't I don't disagree
with that. The one that is online right this second,
and you would think that, you know, oh, the truck on line. I've seen Tesla trucks on Apparently this one's
damaged and stopped driving. And then it became a tourist
attraction in Seattle because somebody pinned it where it was broken down. So people like tourists started to go see attraction, right,
they're going to go see the the beat up, broken down Tesla truck as an attraction of all the weird things that become an attraction. Right like that, I.
Speaker 3: Would have set up a lemonade stand right next to it.
The dude that you got any Nope.
Speaker 2: But like I mean, I saw somebody like so I saw that it was posted, and then somebody was like, what's better because somebody I knew was at the is it Cadillac ranch or whatever where they have all the callaks sticking up out of the ground, and somebody posts a picture of that, and then down below it, somebody tagged into the Tesla truck and they're like, so, which one would you go see? I think I still go
see the cave. You guys never seen that. I think
the cemetery It'sy's Stonehenge. Cadillac was stone Edge. They bury
other Cadllaks in the ground and made Stonehenge out of it out the middle of nowhere. I drove by it
when I was younger. Uh, I didn't get to stop.
I wish I would, but at least look at that.
Speaker 3: There's a place hidden in Virginia that has all the presidential heads.
Speaker 2: If you go look it up.
Speaker 3: I've actually gone and seen it when I was trying to Williamsburg or somebody williams Burg.
Speaker 2: Like I made a big huge president had like big bus.
But think about them, like if you know the bus is.
Speaker 3: It used to be somewhere? But did they really It
used to be somewhere else, and then they brought them to this farm land and put them back so they're all stacked.
Speaker 2: Like I remember the story about it. I couldn't. I
can't remember how they ended uphere. They were there, they're big. Look.
I know I have a friend and I don't know if he's I haven't talked to him in many years, but I'm still a consummer friend. That was building a
tow truck museum on his own property. So he was
buying old tow trucks and he was restoring and he bought ones that weren't stored, and he was making a tow truck huh stuff even stuff older than that. But
he had a bunch of them, and I thought, if I remember correctly, his plan was to like open it up to people. But he lived in the country and
he had the space, and he was just putting I mean, he's just I've seen people collect things and then all of a sudden, go, you know what, maybe I'll do a museum out of it. I mean, there is some there's
a guy that's got a I had to look him up and find out there's a guy that's got a like the odd Car museum. And they're like all the
cars are like nobody cared about. They're like the pieces
of jump. But he collected them, and they're all the
like forgotten like crappy cars or whatever, made like the ones that like everybody I don't ever want to own one of those. He'd be like, aygo and uh, you
know the car like stuff like that. They they've got them.
All those statements were not officially supported by I saw somebody though.
Speaker 3: I saw somebody post on Facebook on Facebook marketplace selling barrels, and the caption was barrels of vintage dust. Grab anything
older than the eighties and put vintage dust on it.
You're five hundred dollars beat or just went.
Speaker 2: Up to not correlate it.
Speaker 3: A saved twenty five car related I'll give you.
Speaker 2: So there was a church out by us that caught on fire a couple of years ago, well apparently, and I didn't even know it's right by my house. Apparently
the church goes like way back into like the Revolutionary War and all that kind of stuff. But it caught
on fire and then it tumbled to the ground. It
was all these bricks, and I thought to myself, I'm like, look, these bricks are from a historic church. If it was me,
I would have took the bricks. No, no, even then they
didn't want to do that. I would have cleaned the
mortar off them and then sold the bricks online as like a memorabilia. To you're looking at me, funny, let
me explain. Let me try to explain it better. It
is apparently it's a church from the eighteen hundreds. It was.
It's it's not just the fact it was an old church.
It's like the very first like dedicated black church or something like that, like in America. So I was like,
I would have would have bought it. You would have
sold a brick from that, like look it fell down.
Speaker 4: Or if people were buying pieces of the Berlin Wall, they're gonna buy the bricks to the church.
Speaker 3: Pie thousands of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: So it's a part of history, right, I would have.
I looked at it as I saw all the bricks piled that every time I drove by it, I was like, I would take those bricks, I clean them were off it because I know somebody had did that and built their house. They would knock it down a building. He
went to where the bricks were at, and they sat there and cleaned all the bricks up. They stacked them
on a pallet. He took his house. He built his
house with those bricks, So it can be done. But
I was thinking, you stacked on a pallet and you sell them one by one for like ten dollars of brick, and they could have got enough money together to help rebuild the church by selling the bricks which is a historian.
I think they would have.
Speaker 3: I bet they would have been cool if they took the bricks and maybe like a cross out of it, like that one church that we went to that did the.
Speaker 2: Ship, the one that I was parked in front of that got hit by the tornado.
Speaker 3: By the tornado, they did, and I don't know if Nate saw it, but when we went in, they took when the building got hit by a tornado, they took all the wood forms.
Speaker 2: And there's a metal being that's been metal.
Speaker 3: Bean that was bent and made the full cross out of the park, which is really cool. Parts from the
old building.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy something. But just bricks. I mean
it's like, look, that's like you like digging a hole or buying b well.
Speaker 2: I'll guarantee if you put you know, this historic church, first Black church in America or whatever and stuff like that, people be like, I want a part of that history.
Like if you're just gonna throw those bricks away and now I can buy one of those bricks, have a pizza of brick, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing nothing.
Speaker 2: Here's the reason why I believe somebody would buy it.
Right the reason why I believe it because have you ever seen where they sell the bricks and you get your name stamped into it and they build something out of those bricks? Right, Okay, those like a couple hundred
dollars eco bricks. They're not no. Because Grandma, she's got
a brick that has their their name in it and it's out the National UH Nuclear Museum out in Nevada, that they pay to have it will be there forever, and they made a walkway out and it's a regular brick and their name stamped into it. So I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: It's a different You're paying for your name on a structure, but you're asking people to buy sign structure, so walkways the bricks from walkway whatever, but you're asking someone to buy a brick.
Speaker 3: Like how a you supposed to date that?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: How could people supposed to trust you that it came from a church?
Speaker 2: I can't. I can where you're coming from. But look,
people buy dumb car stuff right Like I'm like looking people, if you buy the French fry holder for your car, if you haven't seen it, go look it up. It
is a fry holder that actually fits inside your cup holder.
That holds your French fries so they don't tumble over it.
You can eat it while you drive. People are buying those,
like I think last time, I looked like it was like a couple hundred thousands those were sold. If people
will buy things like that, they're gonna buy a brick from history.
Speaker 3: But you can authenticate that. But you you authenticate a brick.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe somebody could look at the brick
and go, Okay, this is an little brick.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's a that's a that's too clean.
Speaker 2: A brick better yet, I guess you could just go buy a bunch of bricks and call say it came from anything, and sell them. And then you know, I
am going.
Speaker 3: To try that. I'm going to buy some bricks and
be like this just came.
Speaker 2: From this brick was in space. Space sprit, there's space bricks.
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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, Like, people buy weird car stuff, and people obviously set up museums like they was saying like you know that guy's got the Museum of the Weird Cars, and people obviously go to it, and there's a guy like, look it up. Do you see these
I'm meet a car guy. I see all these weird museums.
Like there's a guy that just he started buying Cadillacs and he just and he doesn't he just at his house starts taking before he knew it. He built a
big bar and he's got callacs. And there's a sign
you can go see his old Cadillacs. And he charges
like a dollar or something stupid for people. And people
stop because they see the roadside sign. They're like, you
want to go look at some Cadillacs. Sure it's only
a buck, you know what I mean. But he doesn't hurt.
If one hundred thousand people come through your museum in a year, he made one hundred thousand dollars a bucket of time. I mean, that's why I think people will
buy one hundred bricks.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: I've probably I got space bricks for you. Look, I'm
not saying I always have the answer. I think that
that's always you know exactly what's going to happen. But
like I said, if you can put weird museums together and people go see them, and you can sell parts of Berlin. You can sell a thing. It's all how
you present it. People may buy it. You have to
tell me what you think. Am I right? Am I wrong?
Am I onto something? I don't know? I kind of
think that I am, But I don't know the Tesla truck being a roadside attraction.
Speaker 3: I just wonder how many people were in and viewed it.
Like Google Maps obviously has that history, so I wonder.
Speaker 2: Find out for me. I want to find it. I'm
just curious. I'm curus. But like I said, I think
it's funny. Obviously, like I said, broken down Tesla truck
becomes a roadside attraction. People go like out of their
way when they're on vacation to go see means people buy anything. You guys, hold that note. I gotta take
quick crunch break. When we come back, I got more
for you. I'll be right back.
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Now back to your host, Dave Polach.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So here is a interesting one
that got sent to me. So I know everybody's probably
seen this video because it showed up and like it was like a meme. It was a video. I saw
it on TikTok somebody sent to me. I've seen it everywhere.
Speaker 3: So I was to call it immediately when you asked.
Speaker 2: So, uh, the Repo truck that was REPO in the pickup truck, and then I guess the guy that was having his truck repo jumped in the repot truck to try to steal the repot truck with his truck on it, and then it drags it and takes out I don't know, like thirty cars.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't even It wasn't even though, right, It wasn't finished. They didn't finish hitching into the trailer.
Speaker 2: No, he no, he was not done.
Speaker 3: My question about it, though, is whose insurance is reliable?
Speaker 2: Is it the tow truck drivers? I'm sure it probably
or would it be?
Speaker 3: Well technically it was all right. So the video, if
you guys didn't see it, was the tow truck driver hooked the vehicle up. He wasn't done hooking, wasn't hooking
it up, just got it up in the air. The
person came around, went into the tow truck driver's vehicle, took off the driver's side of the door, opened up and smalled. It opened all of the cars as it
goes down the road and as the guy made to turn the car flute watch the video.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the video is deceiving, right, so uh, if you all don't know, There was a short period another short period of time in life that I messed around with some reposts for extra money when I was towards the end of my military. Yeah, there was there's a
lot of fun to be had. I mean, it's a
dangerous job, don't get me wrong, but there was some funny stories and I'll share something with you that kind of came out of it. Right. But looking at it
when it hooked up it, it appeared to me that the snatch truck did not the jaws didn't grab the tires right in the first place, even when he had it up in the air. And maybe because the guy
came out he went ahead and just did it real quick and then hit it and shove it up in.
Speaker 3: The air, sout it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to get it off, But looking at it, it looked like it was sitting in the snatch truck wrong from the get go. Like, just looking at it,
it looked wrong. And then I think going down as
it drove and it smacked all the cars, it probably jostled even more. But just my knowledge and I you
guys know, I had a very vast knowledge of tow trucks because I was I.
Speaker 3: Was thinking, I was thinking that the insurance is probably going to put it under the toad truck because in my mind I don't think, and then they can correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't think you're allowed
to put the truck up in the air until the truck is tied to or.
Speaker 2: So stash struck. You guys ever see him, You back
up to it, the jaws are closed, you get the stinger underneath it, hit the button, the jaws open it up, wraps around the tires, and you lift the truck and the tires set down into the square boxes on on the stinger. So when it opens up and make square box,
it didn't look like those we re seated right from the get go. But I can tell you from doing
repose that a lot of times. The very first thing
you're trying to do is you're trying to get the car up in the air, because it just deters the guy from thinking about taking it from you because the car is up. Now, I know, in the State of Virginia,
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came out and told you put my car down and get up my property, then you you're supposed to like if you get caught. So it's like it is a
game of catamouse is really trying to get the car up in the air, get tied down security enough so you can drive away with it, or at least get it.
Speaker 3: Out of drum's going to.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go repoll a guy's car one time, and he started giving me a hassle. Now I didn't
use a tow truck. I was. I went found the
car cards and then we had a tow truck that would come get the cars and the guy. Most people
that know their cars are off for repo right like they're they either hide it or they're very cautious, like there's a lot of things. So I found this guy's
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I got the door open, and it was just so.
I opened up the door, I stepped into the car, and I was reaching in because I from the outside to put the key the ignition, make sure the key and the ignition works, cause I knew it wasn't working. The door,
the ignition turn, the ignition turned, and then and the guy was like, get away with my car, you know, leave my car loan, which technically, at the point in time you're supposed to probably stop what you're doing, right, but a lot of REPO companies don't. They just set
and then it's a battle, like, you know, prove it whatever.
I was smart enough, and he was like, get off my property. I was like, not a problem, sir, And
as I reached out of the car, I dropped new dropped the car in neutral and let it roll out the driveway into the street, and then it went in the street and I said, and now the car is not on your property. And I continued on with what
I was doing. Now is it a shady area, sure,
completely gray area completely, but technically car was non as proper anymore right.
Speaker 3: Here being paid?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, I think it was like a five hundred dollars bounty on that car, and I was getting paid because it was a long time ago. Another one,
I can tell you, shady area guy hadn't paid almost I think like seven or eight months. Car bed missing
for eight months and I finally tracked him down to a new address. And I had seen the car six
or seven times through the garage door window. I could
see the car was inside the garage, like you know your place, your You are playing cat and mouse, right, you really are. So I snuck up to the house
in the middle of the night, took my flashlight and I shined it through the garage door, and I could see the car clearly sitting in the garage. One night
I went by and the garage was about halfway open.
And well, he needs to say that car ended up out in the street too. I know, ie. Look, I mean
I was a young man, and you know, bills need to get paid. I hain't get a lie. So but
the garage, Now here's the thing. You kind of are
so a certain degree. Maybe you are breaking anery and
I don't know, but the garage was halfway open. It's
just it was what it was in the car. Same
thing I had the key to it, I put it neutral and I rolled the car down. Now, I'll tell
you a funny story. And I was we were starting
to talk about it during one of the breaks I stopped.
Speaker 3: I had I had a guy who uh.
Speaker 2: And most of these, like a lot of the cars that I used to get, they'd been like people had made make payments on them for a long time, so they had big bounties on them. Like, you know, I
don't know what repo pays nowadays, have no idea. Somebody
may know you if you go repot man, tell me what it pays. I have no But sometimes when these
cars have been missing for a really long time, the bounty defined him was huge. It was like a big
bounty put on him. And that was you know, five
six hundred dollars, some hundred dollars sometimes back then was big money. Back then. I was a young man, right. Well,
there's some weekends I'd find like six or seven cars in a weekend. Uh, And I wasn't bringing them back
to the yard. So I was bringing them back when
I had the townhouse I was bringing back. I had
a townhouse that had like a three acre or four acre backyard to it. So what I would do is
I would just take them and I would stack with my backyard. And then once I got them all on
Monday morning, I'd say, hey, I got like seven cars here for you guys to come and get that I found, Come get them. And that's what I would do with them.
Speaker 3: So's I got to wait a week with the bounty.
Speaker 2: I just I didn't want to. I didn't have to
want to wait for like toad trucks and stuff for all all the time. So it's just easier running back
to my house hide them and like so I used to have to go to the Eastern Shore right. Uh,
if you guys don't know what that is over here, but it's you know, part of the little cutout island portion that goes across up into Delaware. But a lot
of cars went missing over there. So I would make
a trip on a weekend and go look for like sixteen different cars that we knew that they were.
Speaker 3: Somewhere out of the shore. Well we found one.
Speaker 2: It's a long drive to come back here to Virginia Beach, right, So what I did was I had a hotel that I hooked up with, and I would drive him to this hotel and I would park in the back parking lot of this hotel and item in the back of this hotel, and then I would go back out and look for more cars. And then what I would do
was if I found five or six of them, then I would say, hey, you guys need to come with some trucks and come grab all these. I got five
or six of them stacked up behind the hotel.
Speaker 3: Anybody ever find their car?
Speaker 2: No one ever found it at that hotel. I used
to do the same thing, and the guy did find it.
If I was like if I had to go to the Norfolk and I didn't want to drive all the way back to Virginia Beach, I would hide him behind grocery stores. Like I'd go get one, take it, and
then hide it behind a grocery store and then go back out and look. And the one time I came
back and I don't know how the guy knew it was being at the grocery store, but he was gone.
It was like gone. He had found it, and he
used his key, and you know, because I had another set of keys to it, and he drove it away.
I end up getting the car later on, like a couple of weeks later, but the one I was tarning about.
I wanted to look at this car and there was a big bounty on it. And I found it, and
the guy had blocked it in between a car in front of him and a car behind him, but he left just enough room that I think I had to do like a thirty nine point turn to get it out.
I was like, literally, you're trying to be quite because you know people coming as soon as you start that car.
If they're a light sleeper, they're coming to the midnight they hear you. So I'm going forward backwards Forbacker's fordbackwards Foroarterbacker's
trying to get out. And I finally get out what
I think is enough, and I hooked the wheel and I look over my shoulder and I go to back out, and I didn't touch the car in front, and I was like, oh, I missed it, And as also, I hear this noise, but I knew I already cleared the car in front of me. And I look up and
the front bumper just barely hooked the guy's down spout on his gutters, and I was ripping the whole gutter off the front of the house. It was just stuck
and here comes the guy gets ready to come out, and I'm like, I see the lights come on. And
of course now I'm like, oh, I'm caught. So I
was I back out. I just the hole across the
whole front of the house. It took literally I washed
the pins and they're like ping ping, and I'm just pulling the gutter off the front of the house. And
of course I'm gonna reverse. So I just backed up,
and as I back up down the street, I'm dragging this whole length of gutter from the whole front of the house on the front of the car as I'm backing down the road with the car. It was crazy
that way. I drove all the way down his street
and it went around a corner and then waited and I got out and I got the unhooked there and stuff.
I don't think we ever heard anything about the gut or I don't know, because I don't remember anybody ever saying anything to me about it. Uh right. I remember
having like, hey, you're going to pay for that, or that's coming out of our insurance. I paid. I never
heard a thing about it. But funny story, I like,
I said, I got tons of them guys. Tons of
repost stories I've had where people have chased me down the street butt naked for their car, which just is funny.
I don't know why I find it funny. Maybe all
I it was hilarious to me, but and everybody goes, what don't you feel bad? And here's the thing, like,
I would never want my car repode for me. Look,
I mean I did it, and it's not. People fall
on hard times, and I don't find that funny. I
don't find the hard time point fun wake haven't made a payment on your car for five or six months, like you know what's coming, made any contact with the bank to try to rectify and stuff like that. It
makes it a little bit easier. When I was younger,
man to go he had it coming. Maybe he didn't.
I don't know. I don't know what your circumstances are.
But most of the time, like you go to these people's house, you can tell they're just not making the car payment. So on that note, maybe some day I'll
tell you guys some other repost stories, because I got a bunch of them. But I gotta go ahead and
get out of here. I cannot believe this show went
so quick. Hopefully you guys are enjoying your Saturday. Do
not forget Sunday's right around the corner. Turn off the
cell phones, hide them in the cush cushions. Cush cushions,
the couch cushions. Make sure you spend some time with
the kids. Play board game. They'll love you for it.
You guys, got anything before we get out of here, enjoy you with one. Al Right, guys, we're out here. Talk
to you soon.
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