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It's time for Bringing the Heat with Trey Lyle. What is up, ladies and gentlemen? Welcome
on into another edition of Bringing the Heat with Trey Lyle and the aforementioned Trey
Lyle. We have a great show lined up for you. Caleb Barnes set to join. Talk a lot of news.
Got a lot of news happening in the NASCAR world this week. But first, Dalton Hopkins a few
weeks ago sat down with William Sawal. It's the driver of the number 18 for Joe Gibbs
racing the NASCAR Riley auto parts series about his world travels amongst other things.
William Sawalich now heads in to the Inferno. Now it's time for incredible drive for William
Sawalich, the 19 year old from Eden Prairie, Minnesota. Off the turn four sees the checkered
flag. His first career victory comes at Rockingham to go into the Inferno with Trey.
Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because I overheard that on, I think it was the MRN broadcast
one time. You went to Africa and did some charity work. What was that about? So we went with Starkey
Hearing Foundation and we went to Lusaka in, gosh I forgot which country that's in, but I can
600 people with hearing aids and Starkey Hearing Foundation goes to almost any country in the
world and you name it that obviously isn't as fortunate as us and fits people with hearing aids
for free and that's what my grandfather has been passionate about his whole life.
Why is it, why do you find that to be, why do you find it passionate about that?
What was your grandfather passionate about? He's just always loved helping people. I mean he will
do anything to help somebody. He doesn't ever care about himself. He's not selfish and I love going
along with him just to see what he does and it just makes you feel really good as a person to go with
and help others and I really wish I had more time to go on all the mission trips they do throughout
a year. I mean they have so many. We have an institute in Africa now where they go out to
their individual countries and do my grandfather's work. We have an institute in the Philippines
and Central America. Wow so have you like, where else have you traveled? I've been to Israel, Palestine,
China, Abu Dhabi. We went for the Special Olympics. I'm kidding. Yeah and
I've been to three countries in Africa.
I'm missing someplace. I've been to Mexico. So you're a world traveler? I would say so yes.
Do you, I mean do you like to travel? I love traveling. Yeah I mean anytime I would say in
I just want to travel. I want to go see places that I haven't been before and go explore. Is
there a place that you want to go? It's like the top of your list?
Not on the top of my head but I've been intrigued by climbing mountains
right now. Okay. So aside from the charity. So maybe like a Himalaya trip or something like that.
I'm sure they got deaf people on you know deaf folks on the Mount Everest or something like that.
I think they actually did, they did do, they set up a site at Mount Everest Base Camp
and they did a mission there. Really? Yes. Is that something you could see yourself doing?
I would do that one in the heartbeat. That's crazy. Going back to Africa, so like
how long were you there first off? We were there for two weeks. Two weeks, okay.
What was like, do you have like a favorite, I don't know, a favorite part maybe like a memory
that sticks out to you the most? Okay, well it's usually the best part is when you get like
a little kid that has never heard at all in their life and they sit down at your station
just kind of like new and like not a lot of emotion and then you first put the hearing aid in
into the mold and then you see their faces like light up. That's the best you know you can get.
And you had moments like that? Oh yeah for sure, we had a few. There was this one little girl,
she was happy and then she was running around the site you know high-fiving everybody and just
happy and laughing and then before she even was there she was just like no emotions you know
because you lose so much of your life if you don't have hearing aids. It's a big deal for sure.
Yeah, did they, did those kids like, did they know who you were like? No, they had no idea.
I didn't know if like yeah you know I was just another guy at the mission. I didn't know if
like that ever comes up when you're out there like any like NASCAR stuff or is it just a mission?
You know if I if they ask like what I do back in the US or something I'll tell them and then
they're like ecstatic about it. Really? Yeah a lot of them are like Formula One fans but they
know about NASCAR. Yeah and it's cool just kind of not having that attached to my name you know
as I'm there I'm just you know the person. That's interesting. Did you like, was there any like
any words you picked up like part of that language? Oh gosh. I don't even know what language it would
be. No it's tough. It would be, you know they actually speak a lot of French in Africa. Oh yeah.
Yeah but man I don't know what languages, there's a lot of languages there. I know in Ethiopia it's
well-liked. I know that. Where we were I'm not sure. Yeah they uh just for the record I mean I
went to Africa like two years ago so I get what you're saying like yeah there is a lot of French
speaking out there. Um did you have any like any like delicacies out there like try out any of the
I would say plump. That's the food we have here. Plump? Like it's not like full like if you get a
chicken breast there it's not it's smaller. Okay. Definitely smaller. Okay. Um and not as juicy.
And I mean they did a good job with food at the hotel honestly. Um you know some stuff is a little
weird. I don't I don't love the anchovies on top of mine like spaghetti or something.
I'm not gonna eat those. Yeah. Uh yeah I think everything else is kind of fine. I think
their steaks were good. Yeah I didn't have to change anything but I ate really. Yeah. So it
wasn't it wasn't like too different from what you're used to. I mean it's all meat. They're really into
tea. Yes. Because of the English. Yes. Really into tea so they have good tea out there. I'm
kidding. Yep. Like right right like where on the tea level would you I had a I don't know if you're
something was really good. I mean it's best tea I have. Whatever I go there I want to eat.
Really. I don't drink tea over here at all. Okay. Did you uh was there like a
from what I get it wasn't too much of a culture shock? Uh not for me no. Okay. I mean I've been
there I first time I went there I was 10. Um I'm going back there nine years later it's pretty much
the same but it's it was nice to get a refresh of what it was like in their culture. They're
really just the nicest people over there. Honestly I would love their culture over here. Yeah. A lot
of people here could use a trip over there to see how good their life is here. Just super welcoming.
Yes. They really appreciate it. Do you think they could be NASCAR fans one day? Oh yeah for sure.
Yeah if we brought them to a race they'd love it. Yeah. Yeah. Um regarding your other trips so I mean
you listed a lot of countries so forgive me if I if I missed the couple but I mean there's I heard
you know Philippines, Israel, Palestine all those different kinds of places. Yeah.
Was there um is there a specific memory that really sticks out to you with all of your charity work?
I know that's an overarching question. I mean I I maybe fit like 500 people with hearing aids because
at the mission sites there's like 10 stations um and you know we've had a lot of cool people out
at our missions. You know we've had Larry Fitzgerald. He's a big supporter of our foundation.
I think we even had Katy Perry out there once. Wow. Like Dan and Patrick went. Oh yeah okay.
With what she was with Aaron Rodgers. But honestly it's the kids that get me because
being I can't imagine being that young and not being able to hear honestly anything and you know
you don't really have the friends that you want to have you're not um you're kind of just disassociated
from your life out there already when their life isn't as good as it is here. You know there's there
was a few uh what are they called? Mother Teresa's sisters. Yeah right right. There's a few of those
that were in Africa that we fit and they luckily came to my station so that was cool to be able to
fit them um and honestly I couldn't pick one person because everybody has their own different
reaction to getting their gift of hearing back. So that but that's the most rewarding part is just
seeing those kids light up. Yeah and giving them a part of their life that they've been missing.
See that's what the most fascinating thing is about this I think is just like no there's nobody
else in this garage I feel like I assume is going to have an experience like that. Yeah so when you
when you think of that when you think of like the things that you do outside of this racing I mean
how do you how do I put this like how do you put yourself character wise like when
it comes to your your life I mean that's that's a fast that's fascinating. I mean I
honestly I take great pride in being a good person yeah I feel like I that's the most important
part of life to me is I know if I'm doing all I can to help other people and just be nice to other
people um you know that's who my grandmother's always taught me um she goes on every mission with
grandfather um there's never a reason to be mean to anybody you know and I feel like if I'm doing
my part and um going to missions whenever I can um you know I I will feel accomplished in life.
How far out do you guys plan these these trips? Oh they're like years really yeah where are you
going this year? I if you if you're going this year. So the time that I have off from racing is
it always falls on that African trip okay but I could go to the Dominican Republic in January
okay so I might think about that one okay I think it's early January but I'd have to
you know work it around the media stuff yeah I tried to do that 12 years ago but I had a
conflict um so I would go to Africa again it's just the best one honestly yeah I don't know if
there's too many mountains in Dominican Republic I'm not sure I'd go climb Kilimanjaro in Africa
yeah yeah exactly yeah you go do that again yeah that sounds like that sounds a little bit more
fun for sure yeah um yeah how do you balance that I mean are you guys like do you
guys talk about it like during on a weekday like during even during the race season or anything like
that or yeah like do any planning meetings? We planned Africa I think in the summer like just
for me to go they had already had it planned but I told him I wanted to go and try and make it
and then we went on the road from Africa and we met the Pope and through my grandfather's
charity that was possible you met the Pope yeah we met the Pope what was that like at the Vatican
it was pretty cool you need to get out to the kind of the courtyard area in front of the Vatican
throughout it's actually called and he's just kind of standing there you know giving everybody
their blessings it's weird to actually see him yeah but he was really cool you know you don't
have much time with him security's pretty tight right but you know I got to tell him I was a
NASCAR driver from the U.S. when I got to Toyota then we took like a group picture at the end and
he mentioned he wanted to be by the NASCAR driver yeah that was me so that's cool you remembered
so the Pope singled you out and was like I want to be next to that guy yeah he's
this is the new Pope right he's from Chicago yeah no he knew all about NASCAR he's like oh yeah
it's the badass NASCAR driver yeah what's the next thing yeah that's cool that's cool how uh man
so I got I mean you're really artist a world traveler yeah I mean shaking hands with the the
migrated but this is a fascinating life that you live so how do you balance all of it I don't
know there's not much of a balance really I just go do it if I can you know and you know bring it
all back to the U.S. and just try and explore and I don't really want to be stuck in the U.S. my
whole life I go explore the world there's so many things to go see and from a young age I've been
doing this so I think that made me really cultured as a kid and different from others have you ever
taken interest in racing internationally sure I mean I'd race anything anything anything yeah I mean
I'd race a rally car I mean I'd race F1 but that's not my discipline yeah I'd try anything out out
there that'd be cool so in five years when you're you know let's say during cup I mean how are you
gonna you still gonna be doing this yeah I mean I know the schedule will be a lot tighter
um but I'm sure there's time to you know squeeze one or two missions in yep and of course you know
bouncing all that but winning a race still feels pretty good too that helps out a lot yeah
absolutely that takes off a little bit of pressure definitely yeah I mean that just makes a season
even even better and easier is there a place where people can go to like donate to this foundation
oh I would think their websites start to be here in foundation let me just double check okay
we got him now
please hit six yes please there you go all right yes serve it
oh will you mic'd up today you what you get mic'd up today you got mic'd up man that's dangerous
that's right I gotta watch what I say around no it's okay you're just talking about cool stuff
just talking about Africa and all that okay
senior wildlife yeah we went on a few safaris really yeah you can add it in yeah that's in there yeah
yeah um the uh it's darky hearingfoundation.org okay there's a tab to donate but um yeah we
we went on a few safaris uh saw almost everything it's it's called the big five out there big
elephant we didn't see a cheetah we saw a lion you didn't see a cheetah or you did we did not
okay it's a leopard sorry oh those are the rarest ones to see um
a rhino
water buffalo no kidding yeah uh hippos we went on a river cruise and a hippo charged at us oh my
god yeah that's it hippos are the most deadly animal oh yeah they kill 3 000 people a year yeah
they're mean yeah they're vicious you know they charge at us and then the guy turned around and
go back to see it so wait so were you guys like a were you in a truck or something or no you were
you want to vote it was a river safari so we were on a truck at first and then we went to the river
and did that okay we like we're maybe two feet from the crocodile okay like it was on land
I gotta be honest with you the hippo I think would scare me a little bit more I was scared I didn't
want to go back yeah what do you did anyway yeah and then the monkeys out there they'll steal your
food like you like on your safari you got your food stolen we got a muffin stolen yes a muffin yeah
did you uh so it's the hippo thing like
they so he charged it so like when you were guys next to the river yeah and just saw you like what
was like recall that yeah so you see it's had out of water you know it waves his ears and it looks
right at you and then it goes under you know like uh-huh lost it and then you kind of see this wave
moving towards you and then it jumps out of the water oh and like has his mouth open like okay we
gotta go yeah I don't want to be here but the guy was like no no no it's okay yeah turn around yeah
turn around yeah I've seen the videos man yes that's pretty crazy yep all right thanks so much to
William and the folks at Joe Gibbs racing great conversation Dalton had with them thanks so much
to Dalton speaking to Dalton Hopkins he was on of course happy hour with Dustin Alvino Chris Graham
who's helping produce uh bringing the heat my number two counterpart in the podcasting realm
here at frontstretch.com helped me out or join them as well and uh yeah Brian Nolan he was there too
I guess but speaking of a rock star kind of like what Dalton Chris and Dustin are Caleb Barnes is
Caleb Barnes here Caleb welcome back on and let's do this all right we're diving right into the news
hope you're doing well Jordan Bianchi dropped pretty interesting nugget today that NASCAR is making
progress to towards bringing a race back to downtown Chicago for the Chicago street race
the finalized deal has been set but there's growing optimism that the Chicago street course will be
included in NASCAR's 2027 schedule so what do you think about this is it too early considering they
have not gotten to Chicago land yet or could we have a world where we see Chicago street race
and Chicago land on the schedule? Trey I hope that's the option I hope that we can see both of
those races on the schedule I don't know if they would go there at different times of year
or if they would do something to where like you have the Chicago street course one weekend and
then the very next weekend have Chicago land or vice versa and make it easier on the teams for
travel I would be very sad and disappointed if we brought back Chicago land and all this hype
and everything just for one year then to kick it back off the schedule that's what I was gonna
pull up Gary Owen on X G Owen YT said like I don't think NASCAR fans are aware that we can go to
both Chicago land and the Chicago street course in the same season but then Carson Hosevhar replied
said the fans are right so take that to mean what you will I I mean I did like the Chicago street
course and I don't know it's weird because with the street course option part of me almost wants to
see like a rotating street course like what they're doing with San Diego this year and then I would
like to see it like move to different cities if that's even a possibility as opposed to like
saying in the same spot so that's the other thing it's like I thought the Chicago street
course was a good track it was a pretty good race for what we saw three years I think with
anything with this car with the longer that you go to the same places the more that everybody
comes together like going to a new track is going to cost people to be all over the place and
spread the field out but the more that you go back the more that the field is going to come
closer together and that's when you get the harder to pass and that sort of thing but
also that Chicago street course with the 90 degree corners a lot of heartbreaking zones did
bring up the opportunities to pass so I don't know I it I wouldn't be like
angry to see the Chicago street course back on the schedule but I would be very sad to see
Chicago land pulled back off the schedule if that is indeed the plan especially with this
next-gen car that isn't the best at road courses but it's pretty good at mile and a half now we
are talking about going to a different car who knows maybe if we're going back to something more
like the Xfinity series then maybe that could be in play as well but yeah those are those are my
thoughts that's all I have to say about that yeah it's just one of the guys sneaking up the joint
in all these road courses like SVG which we'll get to later in the show I tend to agree I think
it's way too soon considering you've not done Chicago land yet maybe they're not hopeful with
the tickets maybe they're keeping both obviously they have a little more flexibility now that
Chicago land is a NASCAR owned track so could they I do kind of like the idea of doing a double
Chicago and you know it would be a natural way to kind of promote the week in Chicago if the
team's just stayed in Chicago for a week I do that I think that's interesting speaking of doubles
it was announced that Catherine Legge will be attempting the double of course she is already
locked into the Indianapolis 500 excuse me she'll be driving as well in the Coca-Cola 600 with live
fast motorsports Caleb when you saw this come across this was kind of a shock it was like
the cosmetic company she's a part of like who are sponsoring her announced in the middle of the
night which was I believe Wednesday night as we record this yeah like last night or Wednesday
morning Tuesday night and ultimately what are your thoughts on this what are your chances of
her ultimately accomplishing the double and getting all 11,000 or 1100 miles excuse me in
I think it's uh it's really exciting um I know like I think she had mentioned it or something
over the I feel like I saw a quote over the weekend that she was like oh yeah I'd like to
complete the double so on one hand I wasn't like super surprised that she was giving it a chance
but then on the other hand like it was very quick for it to be like on Saturday or whatever she said
it like oh yeah like a complete try to the double to like Tuesday night Wednesday morning so oh yeah
it's actually happening this year in fact um I think there are three I have three main concerns
for her number one it's the same concern we have for Kyle Larson the weather hopefully the weather
plays ball um and the timing and all that because that's the most difficult part of making the
double work is will the weather cooperate in both regions and then will like the races be run in a
timely manner that sort of thing um my second big probably my biggest concern for her too is just
the lack of practice time in the cup car um something that I think has gone really under the radar
with Katherine leg is after she's had enough time on the track she's actually given that car some
really good runs and some really good laps like I think that's been very um especially with the way
her stint started last season in Phoenix um I think it's been very underappreciated how much
how quickly she's been able to learn the car and adapt I mean Watkins Glenn I think
in qualifying Katherine would she kind of use that as like a practice session but she was like
four seconds off in qualifying but then whenever you actually got to the race she was keeping up
with the tail end of the field before she got dumped by Josh Bellicchie which means that she
did pass someone I know it was so hard to pass and Watkins Glenn but like she was like a normal
distance stuck at the end of that last train of cars it wasn't like she was trailing back behind
her either she had caught up to those guys on pace who knows what she could have done or if she was
just stuck there because of Arrow but just every race that I feel like I've seen um Katherine in
the NASCAR side of things last year um whether she was in Xfinity or Cup and she really I guess
mainly was the road course as the second half of the year in Cup but it did feel like she like
from the start of the weekend to the end was um like a completely different driver and was making
comparable lap times especially for that 78 car and like um I mean I love that LeFast team um
have some colleagues that actually like worked with uh BJ for a little bit so love those guys but
I guess it's not exactly the the quickest car out there it's usually one of those only shows up
every couple weeks you don't expect it to um finish on a lead lap those sorts of things so
I don't know what Katherine will be able to do in that car how long it will take her but the lack of
practice time does concern me especially trying to do that double but I mean we've seen other
IndyCar drivers I think have we seen any like IndyCar pros move over because I know I'm trying
to think through now because I guess Stewart did it whenever he was already had made the transition
to NASCAR um trying to think about John Andretti but I don't know well I think I think Katherine's
actually has a really good shot at um hot take maybe completing more laps in the double than Kyle
Larson did either of his two years the first time well he got all the 500 in
so but he didn't get any of the 600 because of the rain and all that stuff it'll be interesting
because like I think she could do I agree with it I think she could do with to me I think she's
going to be in a good car for the Indianapolis 500 because AJ Floyd is known to bring a really good
I mean look what I think Santino for she's going to be everyone's dark horse pick and he's driving
he's racing for AJ Floyd racing my question is like with Live Fast will they just have the car
to keep her on the lead lap I just don't see that happening so is she 56 laps even though she
might put up good time she might be six laps off the pace but I think ultimately that's the bar for
her is can she outdo Kyle Larson which would be objectively hilarious and to a really cool
I think really a really cool feat to see her the fact she's just attempting it I think you need to
just go like nothing but praise towards Catherine Lake and the fact that NASCAR is not getting in
the way this time unlike the last time you know before with Catherine Lake and her racing
is a really good thing speaking of someone who is called plenty of big races I don't know how
that was the transition but I'm doing the best I can here folks legendary Fox sports broadcaster
Mike Joy will become the honorary starter by waving the green flag for the start of the all-star
race at the motor mile obviously he grew up in the northeast since decades calling racing now
I believe he has not officially announced this but when you heard that news Caleb did your little
red flag light in your head come off that we might see this be Mike Joy's last broadcast on
television just because uh you know this is a unique way to honor his legacy in NASCAR or is
this just something that you know is a pretty cool moment for the legendary broadcaster
right now I'm taking it as just a cool moment I do think Mike Joy is probably getting to the end
of his broadcasting window I know he's been very adamant about like he wants to do it as long as
he possibly can and things like that but like I would be kind of surprised for Mike Joy someone
who's been in the sport for this long just to all of a sudden kind of like step off stage
left so quickly after something like this like I would be pretty shocked if something at the end
of the broadcast he was like oh by the way this is my last one you know I would expect Mike and
Fox to want to give Mike a little bit of leeway to like lead into hey like kind of almost a
retirement tour type thing although it's also different because Fox doesn't have near the races
that they used to but yeah I I do Mike Joy is like I know a lot of people grew up with Ken Squire
Bitty Parsons like those are their broadcasting goats because it brings them back to their childhood
for me that guy is Mike Joy our best week was good but like Mike Joy is the voice that I always
think of whenever I got in an ass car whenever I started watching and grew up and really became a
fan it was Mike Joy with a lot of those great moments on the mic calling those races and so
like that's I want to give him all the respect that he deserves I hope I would like to see him
like announce something early and do a retirement tour again we're not kicking Mike out of the booth
yet just speculation I do think based on some of the recent races and things like that that
he could be getting close or it might be about time for him to make an announcement or something
like that but again it is cool that he's getting this opportunity it was cool that he got the
opportunity to cover Watkins Glen and call that NASCAR race for the first time probably ever at
least on the NASCAR side of things they had the live rock broadcast last year like he's got to
do some cool things the last few years and so I hope he gets the proper sendoff that he deserves
though yeah I do indeed and I you know I don't hope this is his last race I do think Mike Joy
deserves you know I think Doug Rice by the way which we had two great interviews with him on his
final season Mark Garrow both had great kind of legendary I don't want to say like last rides
on their way out I think Mike Joy deserves that as well it feels like the final format or the final
kind of I don't want to say the old generation but Mike Joy kind of being that part of that
old generation speaking the all-star race Chris can you do me a favor and plop up that all-star
format so if you're watching on the YouTube video we'll have the graphic of the all-star format here
I need to pay attention so we're gonna I'm walk through it and then we'll go we'll
go through so qualifying competitors exit pit road take the green flag at the start finish line and
run one full lap at speed and then you have the pit crew challenge on the second lap qualifying
time is the total from green flag to checker flag results term it term in segment one full field
lineup so segment one has the entire field no all-star open anymore so the pit crew challenge
a four tire pit stop no fuel during qualifying fastest stop when no penalty wins the challenge
results determine pit selection for the all-star race now the rest of the all-star race so all-star
format full field starts segment one and segment two 75 laps each saturday qualifying sets segment
one lineup the top 26 from segment one inverted for segment two remaining drivers lineup by
finish for segment two lowest combined finishing musicians from both segments set the starting
lineup for the final segment which is 200 laps final segment consists of 26 drivers which are
the cup winners from 2000 the typical all-star field the 25 and 26 cup winners fan vote winner
past series champions and all-star winners competing from the field and then whoever's
left of the 26 are based on the combined finishing musicians of segment one and segment two and it's
final 200 lap race to get to 350 at dover 1000000 dollars Caleb no all-star open anymore
is this two part question do you like this format and is this a swan song for dover motor speedway
that was about as clear as mud tray i probably won't understand the format until we get to the
end of like stage two or segment two and then they like have it on the screen like but i mean
that this is what the all-star like it's not it's not anything it's not the way that you explain
it this is just what the all-star race i feel like has been what were you gonna say i was gonna say
is uh it feels uh just go ahead i i forgot what was this actually that's okay um you probably
forgot because you started looking at it again and got lost in all the different it is just a yes
like with all the stipulations and it's like oh well you got to have your past winners and your
past champs and then there's also this numerical format thing that's going on and i don't know it
just uh it just doesn't feel very all-starry and that's the really tough part about both
this being the all-star race and this being the race at dover for the year um like i don't it just
doesn't feel like an all-star event racing on a sunday afternoon um pretty early in the afternoon
too like i mean this what we've all been asking for earlier start times but the the dover all-star
race is like the one that's actually starting at like one in the afternoon or something um unless
that's just when coverage starts but um no it's starting in the afternoon because there's it's
there's no lights at dover yeah well that's exactly and then yeah just the fact that like
i mean dover been reduced to one race a year and that's the other tough thing is like dover hasn't
been great with this car but again it just goes back to it being a car like this isn't a dover
problem this is a car problem but you mentioned the dover swan song thing i i had no idea that people
or that that was even a rumor until like earlier this week like basically after the race on sunday
whenever i started seeing um that that's the first time that i saw people talking about like
maybe this is this is it for dover and that would also be um just an absolute shame i can't remember
who said it but i said the best of like i mean we're really not seeing any new purpose built
oval race tracks being built anymore and so it's like as these tracks that are dropping off the
schedule like they're probably never coming back we saw that with auto club and i don't know if
there's still hope to build that into a short track or not but um i mean you see that with
all these short track ovals um the local tracks around the country and i just think um with the
history that dover has the unique type of track that it is um it would just be an absolute shame
if this is it for dover so i i hope that's not the case i don't know the extent of what the rumors
are out there but um yeah i i hope we even though dover hasn't been my favorite track
over the last few years it had some really good stuff in the gen six car some of the car tomorrow
days and back whenever it was a legendary monster mile the last few years this car is what's kind of
been knocking it down the peg so i hope it's not it for dover well it's time to speak of the one
the only svg he is our focus for the sound bite of the week well tony what angered you at the end
of the race what did you take issue with what the hell do you think i was mad about dumb little
s**t runs us clear down to the infield he wants to s**t about everybody else and he's one that
drives like a little s**t i'm gonna bust his ass thanks tony thank you and short track races it's
time for the sound bites of the week yeah um they were kind of giving me lap times which didn't
mean much so i asked for um like the gap and then how many laps to go out of turn one every lap
and once josh started giving me that info was awesome every lap i knew sort of how much i was
gaining and how to manage my tires versus how many laps i had and it was a pretty cool feeling you
know at first i think it was 27 seconds 20 laps so i was a bit worried and then you know their
tires weren't going to get any newer i guess and once they fell off into the 75 76 is that was a
it was a pretty cool feeling yeah what is that feeling when you're taking three seconds chunks
out of their their time it's definitely better than the end of that um first and stage three i felt
like um i didn't really know how the the race was going to play out um i'm thinking they might make
it to the end and how much they were going to fall off and my tires were starting to go off so
yeah it was a bit of uncertainty but steven was always confident in his calls and it was really
cool you know i i just drove what i did didn't question or just believed in everything they
did and yeah it was a good team strategy day it was it was awesome
shane van giz bergen svg closed i believe was a 27 gap second gap as he mentioned won by
a lot here at walkins glenn calib is the debate over we're going to use a happy hour topic is
the debate over is he the greatest road course racer in the history of nascar i mean i i think
you have to give him that title um i mean we'll see he's he hasn't technically hit the number yet
but i think it's like everybody just kind of expects him to uh become the winningest driver
of all time at road courses and it's also one of those things of like i mean you talk about
different eras the different eras of the cars different era of racing to where they only had
two road course races a year versus we've had more the last few years but still just the the way
that he's won races is just stuff that jeff gordon wasn't doing whenever he won road course races and
so um yeah i mean i i think he's earned that title and um like i don't it's one of those it's like
you basically would give it to him but it's like i guess you can't actually hand him the crown
until he gets the number you know um but i mean again i think we all expect him to i mean if he
wins the other two road course races this year not saying that they're a lock um but i mean if
he wins the next two road course races then he's gotta be there already so um yeah i just the the
thing the ways that he's won the races i would be very curious though if it was in like the previous
generation car because he he looked mortal in the truck and the uh o'reilly races which especially
in the truck i don't think they had the best uh equipment that day they just were missing some
things so that's another again like you talk about the greatest of all time road courses you could
make some legitimate cases for like well what if he was in a traditional stock car versus this
next gen that a lot of people compare to supercars but still i just i mean what do you want to say
i don't think you can take away like people i know um shout out michael mcdowell he did a great
job coming through the field and like that was one like um i did kind of agree with people saying
like well mcdowell's doing the same thing like in some of the shots mcdowell was right there behind
well not right there but like a few car leagues behind and never got to mention on the broadcast
but when all said and done even though they started probably like a half a second or a
second apart svg won by seven seconds so um it's still like yeah mcdowell made the same moves to
the field but uh shane still bested him by seven a lot six or seven seconds yeah a lot there at the
end okay we only got one more segment by the way i agree with you he is the greatest of all time
i feel like it's uh it's just he's too good uh especially just in this era where the car
is as does now bino put it closer than we've ever seen and he's beating people by these
links we just haven't seen in really any style of racing in this series like no one's beating
them by seven plus seconds anymore and you know even on short tracks and stuff like that so uh
but you stick right there kyle it's time to wrap up the pod with some final thoughts
it's gonna be a drag race all the way back to the start finish line
no caution they're side by side right to the line back crash here they come checkered flag
the checkered flag is out and it's time for the final thoughts
final thoughts anything you want to rance rave or review
kyle barnes the floor is yours uh i think just after another race like Watkins Glen which
actually that ended up being a pretty good race because of the alternating strategies and you
had the massive differential and tires and stuff but like really that's the only way that i feel
like you're gonna get a good road course race with this car is you need the massive difference and
people pitting super far apart and fuel mileage and all that stuff to actually
give yourself the ability to pass so um just yeah after another race where like the first
half of the race they're running nose to tail and know what it can do anything
it's it's really demoralizing and then it's even more demoralizing when you see after the race
that there was actually a bunch of action that happened that you never got to see during the
broadcast and so i i think um these are things that like fans talk about each and every week
and they're things that like it's gonna take a lot to actually fix it like you can't just expect
NASCAR to change the car immediately one week and make everything better and i mean i don't
even think that you can expect like the tv to make a drastic change outside of like going from
fox to prime to tnt to nbc and just seeing the the different ways that they cover it but um
i just feel like like i don't know what the word is like there's things that compliment each other
but this current next-gen product and then the current fox especially broadcast are just not
complimenting each other at all um because the car itself um just it's become super difficult to
pass it seems like nothing's happening but then also like the broadcast only shows the leaders
running in a single file line and like that's something that like f1 over the last few years
i felt like has done a really good job at where i mean f1 is notoriously hard to pass the cars are
super spread out but it's like if there's a battle for 15th place even though those guys aren't going
to earn any points they still go back and show you a replay and a highlight of what happened and
it's also i know it's different former racing you only got 20 cars versus 36 to 40 in an
ascar race that's a lot more cars to cover do you really want to show two people racing hard
for 30th place if they're not wrecking each other um i don't know that's i'm there's a reason
i'm sitting here in my bedroom and not on the road and making those decisions on what happened
to cover the sport i'm just saying i would like to see maybe a philosophy change with some of
these broadcasts i do feel i mean like we see the drastic difference from the car and the broadcast
not complimenting each other on sundays to the car and the broadcast being very complimentary on
saturdays that booth is just incredible they get you excited about the action going on like
there's been times i'm like i've got the race on in the background the o'rally race and something
happens and i look up and i'm like oh that wasn't that big of a deal but um adam alexander parker
jamie their reaction made me think that like the greatest thing ever was happening and then
at the same time that car has been very good and sometimes it has been the greatest thing
ever happening so it's just such that's just been such the frustrating thing for me this year is
having such a blast watching race cars race on saturday to sunday just kind of sitting down and
being underwhelmed week after week uh as much as i want to go shout out to 2311 with the kyle
yarber with throwback scheme with hardys for nashville next week i just have to give we have
to give a shout out and love to kate and honey cunt who won four races in two days and it wasn't
he won the arco race at walkins glenn then outdulls spg and connor zillich the only
one to do so this weekend and wins the truck race with a great final restart then sweeps the cars
car stores races just incredible to win four races in two days really showcasing this kid's talent
and his ability and why you know tricon was so aggressive and getting him last season and uh
i think uh kate and honey cut while he might not get talked about as the best prospect in nascar
and obviously courtey high and connor zillich uh jesse love uh are probably the mainstays he is he
is appearing quickly to be right there with a big big weekend where four races in two days is uh is
like kyle arson like stuff and that was uh pretty impressive well at kaleb barnes underscore you
can follow him he called me atray law vt chris check him out as well check out his episode a happy
hour that's what chris would want you to do uh appreciate you editing this and putting it
together shout the dolton at pit lane cpt for the william swalch conversation uh signing off for
now we're back next week with another edition of bringing heat but make sure you check out
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About this episode
William Sawalich talks about living life on a mission beyond the track, centering his charity travel on hearing-aid work. He describes fitting “like 500 people with hearing aids,” including emotional moments when recipients’ faces “light up,” and even a mission setup at “Mount Everest Base Camp.” Between races, he plans trips around downtime—one included meeting “the Pope.” The conversation also pivots to NASCAR talk, from Chicago street-race optimism to how road-course strategy and TV coverage shape what fans see.
