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Chevy Dude Said Be MEAN to Dealers So I Tried It....

Chevy Dude Said Be MEAN to Dealers So I Tried It....

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About this episode

The hosts run a negotiation experiment for a Cadillac Escalade, starting with the idea that being “mean” to dealers might force a better deal. They compare dealer markups versus MSRP, talk about using stock numbers and demanding an out-the-door breakdown, and even debate whether asking for a specific color changes how seriously you’re taken. After role-play calls and add-on math (including ceramic coating), the conclusion lands: the “mean” tactic doesn’t work—market conditions and pricing structure matter more.

Technical Too Afraid to Ask
Concept

market is still so hot

"they kind of like escalate is one of those cars that just boggles my mind because the market is [27.6s] Still so hot on this vehicle"

A “hot” market means lots of people want to buy the same cars, and there aren’t enough of them. When that happens, dealers can usually charge higher prices.

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Car

Lincoln Navigator

"...s vehicle if you look at a vehicle like a Lincoln navigator, which in my opinion is bar for bar Just as good ..."

The Lincoln Navigator is a large luxury SUV built for comfort and space on everyday drives and longer trips. It’s the kind of vehicle people consider when they want a high-end interior and a big, family-friendly layout. The podcast brings it up as a comparable option to another luxury SUV the client might consider.

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MSRP

"But for the Cadillac escalate dealers are still charging [42.6s] 1015 $20,000 above MSRP."

MSRP is the price on the car’s official window sticker that the manufacturer suggests. If a dealer charges above MSRP, you’re paying more than that sticker price.

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Place

New Jersey

"Cadillac [68.4s] Escalade luxury touring in [71.6s] New Jersey client is open to any color any options has a budget in mind"

They’re talking about negotiating in New Jersey, which can matter because dealers in different areas may have different inventory and pricing habits.

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Concept

open to any color

"New Jersey client is open to any color any options has a budget in mind [79.1s] Now anytime somebody is open to any color one thing I want to point out some insight is going to be for real [87.3s] But you want to ask for a certain color? Don't go in saying I want any color you want to know why you're gonna take you a little less [94.2s] seriously"

In dealer negotiations, being “open to any color” can reduce your leverage because it signals you’ll accept whatever inventory is easiest for the dealer to move. The host argues this can make sales staff take you less seriously, which may affect how aggressively they discount the vehicle.

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Term

stock number

"okay [381.4s] I'm finally I did it and so sorry for the long way. No, you're good. You got a stock number [387.2s] I think it was 5909. That's what my memory serves him."

A “stock number” is the dealer’s ID for a specific car on their lot. It helps them quickly find the exact vehicle you’re talking about.

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five over

"I know for a fact we typically sell these for five over and that's standard on all escalades"

“Five over” means the dealer wants about $5,000 more than the sticker price (MSRP).

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Concept

zero negotiation

"Reiterating this is like a hard 3k off. There's zero negotiation on your end on that [457.1s] I mean, I would say I mean is anybody flexible sure"

“Zero negotiation” is a negotiation stance where the seller claims the price is fixed and won’t move. In dealer terms, it often signals a take-it-or-leave-it offer or a “no discount” policy for that specific vehicle.

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Concept

cash a finance or a lease deal

"Are we looking to do a cash a finance or a lease deal on this vehicle? I have cash We are we have cash. We can just pay cash if we need to otherwise"

They’re asking how you want to pay: pay all at once, take a loan to buy it, or lease it with monthly payments. Each option can lead to a different deal and different total cost.

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Concept

online sales

"So I started off with the dealership in October and I was doing online sales So that was setting appointments cold-calling hundreds of customers trying to get them in"

“Online sales” means the dealer starts the buying process through the internet—like contacting you and setting up an appointment—before you go in. It can make the process feel more like shopping online.

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Concept

cold-calling

"So that was setting appointments cold-calling hundreds of customers trying to get them in and then they promoted me in February"

Cold-calling is when a salesperson contacts people who didn’t ask for help yet. In car sales, it’s often used to get leads and set up visits.

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trade-in

"“...are we are we gonna be trading anything in for this vehicle or just straight up cash?”"

A trade-in is when you turn in your current car to the dealer to help pay for the next one. The dealer will estimate its value and that number affects your final price.

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rebate

"“...Well, no, I'm only looking because we have something called supplier discount... Oh, I don't have it's a rebate.”"

A rebate is money back from the car maker that lowers what you pay. Sometimes you have to qualify for it, but it’s basically an incentive to make the deal cheaper.

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Car

BMW X5

"“...do you have any other what other vehicles you got in the household? We have a BMW in the household an X5.”"

A BMW X5 is a luxury SUV. Here it’s just mentioned as another car the household already owns, which can affect how a dealer prices a new deal.

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Car

2018 Tahoe

"“...but we also have a 2018 Tahoe as well and that vehicle is also owned.”"

A 2018 Tahoe is a full-size Chevrolet SUV. Mentioning it helps set the context for what other vehicle the household already has, which can influence the dealer’s deal structure.

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Concept

out-the-door price

"“...But first you just wanted me to let you know about it not being available until the 11th So now numbers will get generated and I'll have an answer for you extremely shortly...”"

The out-the-door price is the final total you’ll pay—everything included. It’s the number you want to compare between dealers so you’re not surprised by extra fees later.

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air suspension

"Escalade luxury black-on-black does have touring package power running boards air suspension adjustable ride soft closing doors"

Air suspension is a suspension system that uses air instead of regular metal springs. It can help the ride feel smoother and can adjust how high or low the vehicle sits.

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power running boards

"Escalade luxury black-on-black does have touring package power running boards air suspension adjustable ride soft closing doors"

Power running boards are automatic steps on the side of the car. They come out to help you step in, then go back in when you’re driving.

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soft closing doors

"Escalade luxury black-on-black does have touring package power running boards air suspension adjustable ride soft closing doors"

Soft closing doors are designed to pull the door in gently instead of letting it slam. It makes closing feel smoother and more controlled.

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Supercruise

"All of that good stuff comes with three years of full connected services Wi-Fi Supercruise usage. This is the way I would buy the car."

Super Cruise is a GM feature that can help drive more automatically on supported roads. It’s meant to reduce workload for long highway trips, but it only works in specific conditions.

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connected services

"All of that good stuff comes with three years of full connected services Wi-Fi Supercruise usage. This is the way I would buy the car."

Connected services are features that use the car’s internet connection. They can include things like remote functions and live services, and here they’re saying you get them for a few years.

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ceramic coating

"We do ceramic coating on them and especially any dark color car So some dealerships are charging premium. We're not this vehicle and ceramic coating were discounted it to 16 95 so it's 111 960 plus 1695"

Ceramic coating is a protective layer put on the paint to help it resist dirt and make it easier to clean. Here it’s also part of the price discussion—whether it’s included or added on top.

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Concept

charging over sticker

"It's hard to find the car and they go for way over a sticker. We're not charging over sticker Sir because they're charging over sticker you guys the stickers 111 960 you're at 113."

“Charging over sticker” means the dealer wants more money than the official sticker price. The speaker is arguing about whether this dealer is doing that or not.

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Car

Cadillac Escalade

"Okay, so you are you are the best car salesman there is that dealership not the other guy [1305.4s] But okay, well, you know, let's see what happens with you. I have a vehicle. I'm looking for a [1311.8s] Cadillac Escalade I want to see if you guys I see it on your website [1314.6s] I don't want to see if you guys have it. It's a long body or a short body. It is a short body"

The Cadillac Escalade is a large luxury SUV. It’s the kind of vehicle people buy for comfort and space, and this conversation is about whether the one they’re looking at is the shorter or longer version.

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Concept

strategy

"No, apparently this strategy that I did right there [1399.5s] I will not have to negotiate anything and I'm gonna get a fair price on the out-the-door because I this is the theory [1405.9s] That apparently this expert has I don't know if you guys just saw that but I played"

They’re talking about a negotiation approach—basically trying to get a fair deal without the usual haggling. The idea is to focus on the final total price so the dealer can’t keep changing the deal.

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markup

"Are you sure this one isn't a markup on those not yet, buddy everything is going and that's what's on the board right now [1656.5s] You want me to call you when a silver one comes? Tell me the window sticker the one you got there"

A “markup” is extra money added on top of what the car should cost. It usually happens when the car is hard to find.

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window sticker

"You want me to call you when a silver one comes? Tell me the window sticker the one you got there"

The “window sticker” is the official price sheet on the car. It shows the car’s listed price and what it includes, which helps you spot extra dealer charges.

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touring package

"I'm looking for one with the touring package. Is this one of the touring package a touring package No, that's got to be in a sport or a luxury, but it'd be it probably be like the 116 118 rain"

A “touring package” usually means the car was ordered with a bundle of extra features. It’s like a pre-made options list, often focused on comfort for longer drives.

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out-throw breakdown

"Okay so V's so like just let me break it down for me here. Do you have like an out-throw breakdown? Yeah, so 755"

An out-the-door breakdown is the final total you’ll pay, not just the price of the car. It includes taxes, registration, and any required fees.

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dock fee

"Yeah, so 755 1 dollars and 11 cents is your total tax. We charge a dock fee our dock fee 799 Registration is 371 other fees is which includes tire tax"

A dock fee is a dealer-added charge for moving the car from where it arrives to the dealership. It’s one of the extra fees you should ask about because it can add cost.

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tire tax

"Registration is 371 other fees is which includes tire tax and in this point 004 percent Excised tax that New Jersey charges because they're crooks and there's a seven dollars and fifty cent tire tax that they charge"

A tire tax is a government fee related to tire disposal or recycling. Dealers list it separately, so it can change the final price you pay.

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excised tax

"Registration is 371 other fees is which includes tire tax and in this point 004 percent Excised tax that New Jersey charges because they're crooks and there's a seven dollars and fifty cent tire tax that they charge"

An excise tax is a special tax the government charges on certain things. In a car deal, it can be one of the required fees that increases what you pay at the end.

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Concept

psychological warfare

"This hurts me even if it is psychological warfare and even if it works"

“Psychological warfare” here means using attitude or pressure to get the other person to react. It’s about how you make the dealer feel, not just the price on paper.

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out-the-door breakdown

"Well, can you send me an out-the-door breakdown of it? Yeah cash price, you know, I'm open to paying cash open to financing"

“Out-the-door” is the final total you’d pay at the dealership. It includes the car price plus things like taxes and fees, so you can compare deals fairly.

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cash price

"Well, can you send me an out-the-door breakdown of it? Yeah cash price, you know, I'm open to paying cash open to financing"

Cash price is what the car costs if you pay for it outright. Dealerships may quote different numbers depending on whether you’re financing or paying cash.

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financing

"Well, can you send me an out-the-door breakdown of it? Yeah cash price, you know, I'm open to paying cash open to financing"

Financing means you borrow money to buy the car and pay it back over time. The dealer might talk about monthly payments, but you still want the full total cost.

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