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China EV Problem & Battery Breakthroughs by CATL

China EV Problem & Battery Breakthroughs by CATL

Everything Electric Podcast May 04, 2026 36 min
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About this episode

Recorded at Auto Beijing on CATL’s stand, the conversation zooms in on how one battery giant shapes the EV market in China and beyond. The hosts cover CATL’s huge scale, its ties to Tesla, BMW and other automakers, and its latest claims around ultra-fast charging, cold-weather performance, and higher-voltage architectures. They also widen out to China’s price wars, market consolidation, sodium-ion batteries, and the shift toward larger, more premium vehicles.

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Term

B2B

"All events include a B2B EV day and commercial vehicles too and now back to the episode."

B2B means business-to-business. It’s about companies meeting other companies—more industry and partnerships than consumer sales.

Company

CATL

"Okay so let's cut straight to the chase. CATL is a company that if you're in the industry you will almost certainly have heard of but for the average person out there you might be unaware of who they are and what they do."

CATL is a company that makes the battery packs used in many electric cars. The episode highlights that it’s become one of the biggest EV battery suppliers in the world.

Concept

battery supply share

"of the batteries made for battery EVs around the world CATL are making 39% of them... so between those two Chinese behemoths they're actually producing well over half the batteries"

Battery supply share means how much of the EV battery market a company provides. The episode uses it to show how big CATL is in the EV battery supply chain.

Term

battery electric vehicles

"and a quick fact before I start asking Elliot questions is that of the batteries made for battery EVs around the world CATL are making 39% of them... CATL four out of ten battery electric vehicles are basically carrying their batteries"

Battery electric vehicles are fully electric cars that use a battery for power. They don’t rely on a gas engine to drive.

Concept

subsidies

"they had subsidies they had yeah many benefits from the Chinese government in order to then develop for for automotive in a big way"

In the EV context, subsidies are government financial incentives that reduce the cost and risk of building and buying electric vehicles and related supply-chain components. The segment argues that Chinese subsidies and benefits helped battery companies scale up and invest in automotive-grade battery development.

Company

BYD

"so that really spurred on the innovation and then they invested heavily into research... who were like well we need batteries where do we go it's more BYD or CATL"

BYD is a Chinese company that makes electric cars. The discussion uses BYD as an example of the big car makers that need batteries and therefore push battery suppliers to innovate.

Concept

battery tech

"they got something like 120,000 researchers working for their company... they're doing so much research into the latest and greatest battery tech"

Battery tech just means the engineering inside EV batteries—how they’re designed and improved. The episode is saying CATL is spending a lot of effort on newer battery designs and materials.

Brand

BMW

"CATL is supplying Tesla I think BMW many other western automakers are getting their batteries from CATL as well"

BMW is a car brand. The episode says BMW is also using batteries supplied by CATL.

Brand

Tesla

"for those listening in the west it's important to say that CATL is supplying Tesla"

Tesla is a well-known electric car brand. The hosts are saying Tesla is one of the companies that buys batteries from CATL.

Term

Shenzhen 3

"there's one called the Shenzhen battery they've just announced the Shenzhen 3 so now this comes with super fast charging"

“Shenzhen 3” is the name CATL gave to a new battery version. The host says it’s designed to charge very quickly, even in cold weather.

Term

super fast charging

"the Shenzhen 3 so now this comes with super fast charging so 10 to 80 percent in three minutes... and in minus 30 it only takes nine minutes"

Super fast charging means charging an EV battery much quicker than usual. The host is saying the new battery tech can still charge quickly even in very cold temperatures.

Concept

cold-weather fast charging

"and then even in minus 30 it only takes nine minutes so you know we've heard the announcements from BYD with their flash charging"

Cold-weather fast charging means charging quickly even when it’s extremely cold. EV batteries don’t always like the cold, so doing it fast without damage is impressive.

Term

high discharge rate charging

"is the roll out of this... super fast flash charging you know high discharge rate charging and for those cars to be able to enjoy those benefits"

This is charging that delivers a lot of power to the battery quickly. The point is that the battery has to be designed to accept that fast energy without getting damaged quickly.

Term

900 volt architecture

"they all have to upgrade to 800 watt a volt architecture 900 watt architecture 1000 volt architecture"

900-volt architecture is another step up in the car’s electrical voltage. Higher voltage can help the car accept faster charging without overheating as much.

Term

800 volt architecture

"they all have to upgrade to 800 watt a volt architecture 900 watt architecture 1000 volt architecture and all underpinned by the batteries"

800-volt architecture means the car’s electrical system runs at a higher voltage. That can make fast charging easier because it can deliver the needed power with less current.

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1000 volt architecture

"they all have to upgrade to 800 watt a volt architecture 900 watt architecture 1000 volt architecture and all underpinned by the batteries"

1000-volt architecture means the EV uses an even higher voltage system. That can help the car charge faster because the system can move more power with less current.

Term

battery health

"and for the super fast flash charging... they all have to upgrade... Shenzhen was one announcement so the super fast charging and the battery health for those batteries after a thousand charges still remains at 90 percent"

Battery health is how good the battery still is after lots of charging. The host is saying the new batteries keep most of their performance even after many charge cycles.

Concept

battery weight reduction

"if we reduce the size of the weight of the battery and give the same amount of range then it's going to benefit the handling the brakes the lifetime of the like the bearings the bushings and everything else"

Battery weight reduction means making the battery store more energy without getting heavier. A lighter battery can make the car feel better to drive and may reduce stress on parts over time.

Term

NCM battery

"they've got their Chilean the Chilean third generation battery which is an NCM battery starts with a Q Chilean yeah yeah with a Q and yeah yeah"

An NCM battery is a type of lithium-ion battery that uses nickel, cobalt, and manganese. It’s used in EVs because it can store a lot of energy without needing to be as heavy as some other battery types.

Term

watt hours per kilograms

"it has 280 watt hours per kilograms that's pretty high but it means the battery for 125 kilowatt battery is 600 kilograms instead of 850 kilograms for a LFP battery"

Watt-hours per kilogram is a way to say how much energy the battery holds compared to how heavy it is. Higher numbers usually mean more range for the same weight.

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LFP battery

"it means the battery for 125 kilowatt battery is 600 kilograms instead of 850 kilograms for a LFP battery so they've shaved off 200 kilograms from that battery"

An LFP battery is a lithium-ion battery type that uses iron and phosphate. It’s often chosen because it can be tough and cost-effective, though it may be heavier than other chemistries for the same range.

Term

flash charging

"if you have flash charging then do you need a car with a huge battery and so much rain"

Flash charging means charging an EV very quickly. If you can recharge fast, you might not need as big of a battery to still get practical trips done.

Term

CLTC range

"which now means they can get a thousand kilometers from an EV like CLTC range but 800 kilometers maybe from a battery"

CLTC range is an official test-based estimate of how far an EV can go. It’s specific to China’s testing rules, so the number may not match other countries’ range tests.

Term

energy density

"having lighter batteries which have much more which are much more energy dense will really help the industry try and reduce its weight in general"

Energy density is how much “stuff” (energy) the battery can pack into its size or weight. Higher energy density helps EVs go farther without needing a bigger, heavier battery.

Term

charging in the ground

"at the moment a lot of focus is downstream is people putting a lot of charging in the ground that maybe is slower maybe putting in the wrong type of charging maybe we'll end up with too much charging"

They’re talking about building charging stations in fixed locations. The point is that faster-charging, longer-range batteries could change how many chargers you really need and where they should go.

Term

sodium battery

"I'm quite interested I'm fascinated always by sodium oh yeah yeah yeah so I think then the Naxra battery is there that's right a sodium battery that's showing great promise as well yeah so then we went to the far north of China to see the Naxra battery"

A sodium battery is a type of EV battery that uses sodium instead of lithium. People are interested because it can be cheaper and may work better in very cold conditions.

Term

sodium ion battery

"they were releasing their new sodium ion battery with Chang'an and they're putting in one of their more affordable sedans like fairly plain sedan and they announced that that will be going to mass production in Q4 of this year"

A sodium-ion battery is an EV battery that moves sodium ions to store and release energy. It’s often discussed as a cheaper alternative to lithium batteries, and it can still work in cold weather.

Car

Chang'an sedan

"they were releasing their new sodium ion battery with Chang'an and they're putting in one of their more affordable sedans like fairly plain sedan and they announced that that will be going to mass production in Q4 of this year"

Chang'an is a Chinese car brand, and they’re talking about putting the new battery into an affordable sedan. That matters because it suggests the battery could reach regular buyers, not just special cars.

Term

mass production

"and they announced that that will be going to mass production in Q4 of this year so slightly later than we originally thought"

Mass production means they’re planning to make a lot of these batteries and cars. Making them in bigger numbers is usually how prices come down.

Term

icy cold conditions

"it's I think 400 to 500 kilometers at the moment but it can work in icy cold conditions it's so much cheaper so much more affordable"

Cold-weather performance means how well the battery works when it’s very cold outside. EV batteries can lose range in winter, so this is a big deal for real-world usability.

Concept

vertical integration around the supply chain

"the degree to which the Chinese manufacturers have built themselves around sort of vertical integration around the supply chain cost down advantages"

Vertical integration is when a company handles many parts of the process itself instead of relying on lots of separate suppliers. That can lower costs and make it faster to build batteries and EVs.

Concept

at scale and speed

"if they get to sodium ion at scale and speed that's going to give them if they get to sodium ion at scale and speed"

“At scale and speed” refers to the ability to manufacture a new technology in large volumes quickly. For batteries, that matters because costs typically fall and reliability improves only after production ramps up.

Concept

price wars

"you know we've seen some automakers not doing very well in europe and other markets and back home here there's the price wars so things are getting so competitive now so what's happened is these automakers have responded by saying..."

“Price wars” refers to automakers aggressively cutting prices to win market share, often forcing competitors to respond quickly. In this segment, the host says price wars at home and weak overseas performance push brands toward safer, copycat product strategies instead of taking risks.

Brand

Xiaomi

"so let's just do the Xiaomi copy we know big three-row SUVs with hybrid power trains in them are also selling really well so we'll just do that ... Xiaomi have made quite a lot of progress"

Xiaomi is being used as an example of a company whose EVs are popular, so other brands try to copy the same general approach. The host links that to how competitive and risky the market feels right now.

Concept

hybrid power trains

"so let's just do the Xiaomi copy we know big three-row SUVs with hybrid power trains in them are also selling really well so we'll just do that"

A hybrid power train uses both a gasoline engine and an electric motor. The host is saying that hybrid SUVs with lots of seats are selling well, so other brands want to copy that approach.

Brand

Citroen

"who knows if that will sell Citroen are doing some interesting concepts whether they sell very well and that's really about it"

Citroën comes up as a brand that’s showing some creative ideas. The host contrasts it with other automakers that are being more cautious because competition is intense.

Concept

battery EVs

"the political pendulum swings towards EV at one point maybe back towards hybrids in in in more recent times will swing inevitably back towards battery EVs because that is the better technology"

A battery EV is a car that runs on electricity stored in a battery. The hosts are saying battery-electric cars will likely become the dominant choice eventually.

Topic

China EV market consolidation and competition

"there doesn't feel it's bigger than the Shanghai show yes so that belies the rumors that the chinese car industry is is on the floor but it doesn't seem quite as distinct to me there does seem to be some copycatting going on some herd mentality going on"

They’re talking about how EV competition in China is getting more intense and how companies may merge, shut down brands, or change direction. The overall theme is that the market is moving fast.

Company

Geely

"i mean you look at um so geely for example closed down their gdu car brand after what's it two or three years"

Geely is a car company in China. The host says Geely closed one of its car brands (GDU) after only a few years, showing how tough and fast-changing the EV market is.

Company

GDU car brand

"so geely for example closed down their gdu car brand after what's it two or three years they cars on the streets"

The host mentions Geely’s GDU brand, which they say was shut down after a couple of years. It’s an example of how some EV brand launches don’t last when competition gets too intense.

Brand

Honda

"got five ev almost at china market only right is it enough maybe not honda for example they just closed the factory i think last week in china"

Honda is a car brand from Japan. The hosts say Honda is changing its China plans and moving away from gas cars, which shows how EVs are taking over.

Concept

ICE vehicles

"they don't sell ice vehicles anymore in china so yet legacy brands"

ICE vehicles are gas or diesel cars. The hosts are saying some automakers are stopping sales of gas cars in China and focusing on electric cars instead.

Brand

Xpeng

"legacy brands that the more agile legacy brands like vw they've built and designed a car with x-peng in china for china it looks fabulous"

Xpeng is a Chinese company that makes electric cars. The hosts bring it up because some traditional automakers are working with Chinese EV brands to compete in China.

Brand

Volkswagen

"legacy brands that the more agile legacy brands like vw they've built and designed a car with x-peng in china for china"

Volkswagen (VW) is a major global automaker that the hosts describe as partnering with a Chinese EV brand to develop a China-specific electric car. This highlights how legacy automakers are adapting their product strategy for the EV market.

Concept

disposable income

"things are tightening so for example people are staying in their jobs for longer ... they have less disposable income so they're not buying as many cars"

Disposable income is the money people have left after paying for the basics. If that number drops, it’s harder for people to afford big purchases like a new car.

Concept

democratization of transport

"lots of smaller more affordable at these yes [1602.5s] cars about which our audience typically gets quite excited because it's about the democratization of [1607.7s] transport maybe cheaper vehicles maybe you don't need to lug around the big battery..."

“Democratization of transport” in EV context means making electric mobility accessible to more people, typically by lowering purchase price and reducing barriers like charging access. The hosts connect this to smaller, cheaper EVs that don’t require very large batteries.

Term

kilowatt hour battery

"so many automakers had a small e-v like this is our small e-v it's 3000 pounds four [1682.1s] thousand pounds 20 kilowatt hour battery none of that i think there's two small cars here this year..."

A kilowatt-hour (kWh) is a measure of how much energy the battery can store. Bigger kWh usually means the car can go farther, but it’s not the only factor.

Concept

productising it

"absolutely and i guess productising it making it more expensive than and taking it away from the average everyday person"

“Productising” means turning something that might have been more flexible or niche into a standardized, packaged offering. In this segment, the host argues that productising EV/tech features can raise cost and make the result less accessible to everyday buyers.

Concept

over complicating the product

"maybe over complicating the product absolutely and i guess productising it making it more expensive than and taking it away from the average everyday person"

“Over complicating the product” refers to adding too many features, options, or layers of complexity so the end result becomes harder to understand and more expensive. The host connects this to EV marketing and product strategy, suggesting the industry may be pushing tech and larger vehicles that not everyone actually wants.

Car

Renault 5

"but if the smaller vehicles aren't selling that well that's a problem like we talked quite extensively about reno five selling well in the UK and europe and that's a great little car at a reasonable price point"

Renault 5 is a small, everyday car. The host brings it up because it’s selling well, showing that smaller cars can still be popular if they’re priced right.

Brand

smart

"we mentioned the smart hashtag too which is yeah well they're going smart going back to its roots effectively which is which is good to see i hope it does sell well but my view is that people are are probably looking for those slightly bigger cars"

smart is a car brand that’s usually associated with small city cars. In this segment, the host is saying smart is trying a bolder new direction to win buyers back.

Car

Land Rover Freelander

"you know i haven't been particularly excited about like the freelander looks cool but if you've seen the concept here it's huge it's like taller than me it's a concept of course freelander great to see that brand coming back but it's another suv they're going to go up market"

Freelander is a Land Rover SUV name. The host is using it as an example of how new models can look interesting, but they’re still part of the bigger-SUV trend.

Concept

premium and luxury pricing strategy

"the problem with those small cars they don't make profit... they have to say well this car's premium so we're going to add another few thousand pounds of it it's luxury we're going to add another and that's how they're trying to make their money back"

They’re talking about companies trying to make money by selling mostly higher-end versions of cars. If the cheaper models disappear, buyers feel like they have no choice but to pay more. It’s basically a lineup-and-pricing shift toward premium/luxury.

Topic

motor shows

"when it comes to motor shows i've been to a i've probably got motor show fatigue... fascinating to see all the product launched in Shanghai flow through munich and brussels"

They’re talking about car expos and how useful they are for seeing what companies are planning. The speaker compares different show locations and suggests one show felt like a bigger sign of change. It’s about trends, not a single car.

Brand

Audi

"i'm fascinated with how the Germans are presenting to the market last year in Shanghai Audi launched they've got a four ring strategy"

Audi is a German car brand. They’re talking about Audi’s China-focused strategy and whether it’s selling well. The discussion is about how brands reposition themselves in China’s EV market.

Brand

Polestar

"it's got the same problem as polestar so polestar has basically pulled out the market here even though they're still built here"

Polestar is an electric-car brand. The speaker says Polestar stepped back from China because it wasn’t selling as well as expected, even though cars were still being made there. It’s an example of how market demand and brand image matter.

Brand

Huawei

"they're moving faster than the japanese because they they're integrating Huawei tech into their cars so bmw are i think audi are doing it as well"

Huawei is a big tech company, and the host is saying BMW is using Huawei technology in its cars. The idea is that tech partnerships can help automakers move faster on EV features.

Brand

Hyundai

"i saw a new Hyundai launched yesterday didn't like the look i say that regretfully because i like i like the Hyundai kind of design language but actually it was chinese design"

The host talks about a new Hyundai and doesn’t like its design. They think it looks like it’s borrowing from Chinese styling trends, and they compare it to the new Prius.

Car

Toyota Prius

"...t was chinese design it looked a bit like the new Prius as well that's right yeah a bit of a bit of a str..."

The Toyota Prius is a car that uses two kinds of power: a gas engine and an electric motor. The electric part helps the car use less fuel, especially in stop-and-go driving. It’s a well-known model, so people often compare other cars to it based on how it looks.

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