Downforce is the “suction” effect from the car’s shape and wings that presses the tires onto the road. That helps the car turn and stay planted when you’re driving fast.
Willow Springs is a famous race track in California. People use it to see how a car handles at speed, especially through fast turns.
Term
car unibodies
A unibody means the car’s body and frame are built as one connected structure. It helps the car feel solid and can affect safety and how the car drives.
The Chevrolet Blazer is an SUV made for everyday driving and family-friendly practicality. The podcast mentions it with the top down, meaning it’s being talked about in an open-air, fun-driving way. It’s basically a moment about enjoying the car’s look and experience.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a small SUV that also has a short bed like a pickup truck. It’s meant to be practical for everyday life and light hauling. The episode mentions it as a car someone drives regularly and deals with in normal situations.
Straightaways are the straight parts of the track where you accelerate. How long they are changes what matters most—top speed versus cornering and braking grip.
A road tire is a tire designed for street use rather than dedicated track-only performance. Even if a car has huge aerodynamic grip (downforce), the tire’s traction limits how hard you can brake, turn, and accelerate—especially in low-speed corners.
A hairpin is a super tight turn, like a near-U-turn. Even if a car is fast at high speed, hairpins can still be hard because you’re mostly relying on tire grip at lower speeds.
This is a higher downforce number than the previous one. It suggests the car can generate even more “air push” onto the tires, which can make it faster and harder to drive at the limit.
A comfort seat is the more road-friendly version of a seat. It’s usually designed to be easier to sit in for long periods, but it may not hold you as firmly as a racing bucket seat during hard driving.
The Mustang Dark Horse is a sportier, more track-oriented version of the Ford Mustang. Here it’s mentioned because the speaker had to hold themselves in place the way you might in a more performance-oriented car.
A carbon bucket seat is a race-style seat made with carbon fiber. It holds you in place better than a normal seat, which helps you stay steady when the car is going fast and turning hard.
A manual seat is adjusted by hand instead of using buttons and motors. It can still move on rails, but it’s less convenient than power seats—especially if you’re changing drivers often.
A seat slider is the rail system that lets the seat move forward and back. It matters because it affects how easily you can adjust your driving position and how stable the seat feels when you’re driving hard.
Term
hot swap the seat
“Hot swap the seat” means changing the seat quickly. The speaker is talking about being able to switch between a comfy seat for normal driving and a racing seat for track days.
Brand
m
Here “M” means BMW’s performance brand. The speaker is saying the seat looks similar to the kind BMW M uses in its performance cars.
It’s a simple idea that your tires have a limited amount of grip. If you’re braking hard while also turning, you run out of grip sooner, and the car can start to slide.
“Vmax” is basically about the car’s top speed. At those speeds, the car can feel less stable because everything is more sensitive—wind, tires, and aero effects.
RPM tells you how fast the engine is spinning. Around 9,000 rpm is very high, and it often comes with strong acceleration and a lot of sensory overload for the driver.
Third gear is one of the gears in the transmission. Using it while the engine is spinning very fast usually means the driver is trying to keep the car in its strongest acceleration range.
A hypercar is basically a step beyond a supercar—an extremely high-end, very fast, very advanced performance car. The idea is that different hypercars feel different when you drive them hard.
A-pillars are the structural posts at the front of the car that hold up the roof near the windshield. Their shape can change what you see when you’re driving, especially on a track.
Formula One is the highest level of racing with very advanced aerodynamics and race-focused design. The comparison is meant to describe how futuristic and intense the car feels from the driver’s seat.
The Aston Martin Valhalla is a very fast, expensive sports car made for performance driving. The podcast talks about trying it at a race track, which is where this kind of car is meant to shine. It’s being discussed as a track-focused supercar.
The McLaren W1 is a very expensive, very fast supercar from McLaren. The discussion uses it as an example of how fast these cars can go on a race track’s long straight.
Circuit of the Americas (COTA) is a famous race track in Austin, Texas. The hosts mention it because the track has long straight sections where cars can reach very high speeds.
A back straight is a long straight section later in the lap. The hosts compare its length because longer straights generally let cars reach higher speeds.
The Corvette ZR1 is the most extreme performance version of the Chevrolet Corvette. They mention it because someone was hitting around the high-170s mph on a track straight.
Top speed is the maximum speed a vehicle can reach under specific conditions, usually limited by aerodynamics, gearing, and power. The speaker mentions wanting to find out the top speed of a car on a particular straight but didn’t want to do it because they hadn’t driven that fast before.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car made for going fast and handling well. People talk about it a lot because it can be driven hard on a track. In this episode, it’s mentioned in relation to how it would manage a tough, slow-to-fast corner.
Horsepower is a way to describe how much power the engine can make. The point here is that very high-power numbers are becoming more common in performance cars.
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very high-performance supercar made by Porsche. It’s the kind of car people talk about because it’s fast and rare. In the episode, it’s mentioned as something featured on a cover, like a car people admire.
The Porsche 911 is a high-performance sports car that’s known for strong handling and speed. It has electronic systems that help control traction when you accelerate hard. The episode mentions it cutting power, which is part of how those systems respond on track.
“Crown Vic” is a nickname for a Ford sedan called the Crown Victoria. It’s a common car people use for racing because it’s big, rear-wheel drive, and easy to modify for motorsports.
Stafford Motor Speedway is a race track in Connecticut. It’s where this event is happening, so it matters for understanding the kind of racing and crowd you’d see.
NASCAR is the major American stock-car racing series known for oval-track racing and a large roster of specialized drivers. Here, the hosts joke about how quickly a local event could become “NASCAR-like” if enough regulars show up.
Ryan Priest is a stock-car racer who competes in NASCAR. The hosts are saying he’s done really well at this track before, so his presence makes the event more exciting.
Person
Dale Earnhardt Jr's son
They’re talking about the Earnhardt family, which is famous in NASCAR. The speaker is guessing which specific driver they mean based on that family connection.
“Lapped” means you get passed by a faster car that finishes a full lap before you do. If you don’t want to get lapped, you’re trying to stay on the lead-lap group.
Term
crown vicks
“Crown vicks” is slang for the Ford Crown Victoria. The host is basically talking about how racing can reduce how many of those cars are left available.
Nitrous is a performance boost system that gives your engine a temporary power kick. It adds a special gas so the engine can make more power for a short time.
A unibody chassis is when the car’s body and frame are built as one piece. That’s important because it affects how well parts fit and how solid the car feels.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a tough SUV designed to handle rough roads and off-road driving. People like it because it’s built to last and keep working. The podcast is basically asking why it’s still considered so cool and what’s happening with it now.
Revology is a company that works with classic-car enthusiasts and helps produce reproduction-style cars or parts. The hosts are discussing where its car bodies/chassis might be coming from.
An OE supplier means the company makes parts that are intended to match what the carmaker uses on new cars. The point here is that they’re trying to build these reproduction parts with factory-level consistency.
Galvanized steel has a protective zinc coating that helps stop rust. The host is saying the new reproduction parts may resist corrosion better than the original materials.
QC means quality control—making sure parts are made correctly and consistently. The host is saying the concern is whether the chassis is accurate enough that a whole car can be assembled without problems.
Lasers can be used to measure parts very precisely. The host’s point is that even if you measure with lasers, you should still assemble a full car to confirm everything fits in practice.
The Ford Bronco is an SUV made for off-road driving. It’s popular with car fans and has a big following. The episode mentions a lot of Bronco bodies being built, which points to how common or important the model is for projects.
OEMs are the original car makers (and their parts divisions). The hosts are basically asking: will the companies that own the designs and trademarks step in with lawyers if recreations aren’t authorized?
Concept
recreation of things
They’re talking about recreating cars—building something that looks and functions like an original. The big questions are whether it’s legal and whether it’s treated as the real car or just a replica.
VIN is the vehicle’s unique ID number, like its fingerprint. The hosts are saying that if you transfer the VIN to a new build, it can affect what the car is legally considered to be.
The McLaren F1 is a very rare, high-end supercar. The point here is that some cars can be rebuilt using replacement structural parts (like carbon tub sections and frames) instead of only using original factory pieces.
A carbon tub is the main structural shell of the car made from carbon fiber. Replacing it is a big deal because it affects the car’s strength and safety, not just its appearance.
A replacement frame is swapping out the car’s main structural base. If you’re building a replica or reproduction, changing the frame can be a major part of making it work and fit legal requirements.
Concept
register
Registration is the legal paperwork that lets a car be driven on public roads. The host is saying that replica/reproduction cars may be harder to register depending on local rules.
The Dodge Challenger is a popular American muscle car. The host is talking about whether a reproduced or modified version can be registered and how it might be treated legally.
Concept
track builds
A track build is a car prepared mainly for driving on a race track. The idea is that you might start with a cheaper base and then add the racing parts you need, instead of paying for a fully built expensive car.
Drifting is when a driver intentionally lets the car slide sideways through a turn while still controlling it. The host mentions it because people often build certain cars specifically for drifting.
A replica is a car made to resemble a more expensive or rare model. The host is saying that replicas can still be high quality, and people’s opinions about them can shift.
A “door slam” is just the sound and feel when you close a car door. People use it as a quick way to judge whether the car feels solid and well-built.
Company
fatties
“Fatties” sounds like a name of a person or shop the host expects listeners to recognize. The point is that reputation and who builds the car can change how people judge it.
Dry ice cleaning uses tiny pellets of frozen carbon dioxide to blast dirt off surfaces. It’s a way to clean without soaking things in water or harsh chemicals.
“Power steering gunk” refers to oily residue that collects around the power steering system—often from minor leaks or seepage. It can mix with road grime and dust, making the underside messy and harder to clean.
Term
pressure washing
Pressure washing is cleaning with a strong jet of water. It can be satisfying because you can see the dirt come off, but you have to be careful not to force water into places it shouldn’t go.
Tesla is the car company whose driver-assistance features are being discussed here. The debate is whether the system contributed to the crash or whether the driver’s actions were the cause.
Autopilot is a system that helps the car drive, like steering and staying in the lane. In accidents, investigators look at whether the driver was paying attention and ready to take over.
A stop sign is a road sign that means you must come to a full stop. If the car’s assistance system misses it, that can be a big factor in why an accident happened.
“Wrong pedal” means the driver hits the wrong one—like pressing the gas when they meant to brake. Investigators consider it because it can cause sudden, unintended movement.
Term
data that they can prove is legitimate
They’re talking about evidence that can be checked and trusted. In court, the other side may argue the numbers or tests aren’t reliable or don’t really match what happened.
It means the company’s ads or claims might not be truthful or might be presented in a way that makes people trust the product too much. In court, that can be used to argue the marketing caused someone to rely on the product.
Monza is a world-famous race track in Italy. It’s known for being fast, with long straightaways, so it’s a great place to really test how quick and stable a car feels at speed.
An autostrada is Italy’s high-speed highway system. The host is saying that on those big roads you can actually drive fast enough to use a powerful car, unlike many narrow back roads.
Car
Mercedes-AMG GT
The Mercedes-AMG GT is a high-performance Mercedes sports car. The host mentions it as part of a list of cars and whether they can fit golf clubs in the trunk.
The Ferrari 328 is an older Ferrari sports car with the engine placed near the middle of the car. People like it because it drives like a real sports car and feels very “Ferrari” even today.
The Acura NSX is a sports car with the engine placed near the middle. The host is using it as an example of a supercar that might still fit normal items like golf clubs.
The Lamborghini Countach is a famous, very flashy supercar from Lamborghini. The host is making a joke about whether something as “serious” as a Countach can still fit everyday stuff like golf clubs.
The Scion xB is a small, box-shaped car designed to be practical and roomy. The host is comparing it to sports cars to make a point about trunk space for golf clubs.
The McLaren GT is a McLaren that’s meant for longer drives, not just track days. It also has extra storage space up front, so you can fit things like sports gear in the trunk area.
The Nissan Juke is a small crossover SUV. It’s known for being compact and having a unique look. The podcast mentions it in a story where the car was jumped over train tracks, which is an example of an extreme situation.
Mud bogging is when you drive into really thick mud on purpose. The car can get stuck because the tires can’t grip well.
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all right folks on this episode of the program I talk about my experience driving the high
downforce zinger 21c on track at willow springs and then Zach and I realized the kind of competition
that we are in for we're actually gonna be racing against a bunch of NASCAR drivers at the cletus
race in Connecticut I bought some new gear for my Vespa and there's Chinese knockoffs of entire
car unibodies it's the smoking tire podcast let's go hi everybody fucking happy well you're
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what's a patreon patriot you're a patriot like you're paying money into the system aren't we all
no no but like I was trying to conflate the terms because they're similar
because they're starting with patreoned yeah the workshop that's a little clunky uh
Zach is wearing his monterey blazer that he designed with the grotto right we are we're
slang in blazers folks look Zach's got the dope liner on his I told I abstained from an aggressive
liner on mine I usually do but Zach went for it yeah I'm really great like it was really fun
picking it out which like if you get a suit from them you get to do this and they have all the
fabric books yeah and the buttons and stuff but I kind of forgot because of my brain like what we
chosen sure and then your your your material on your jacket is so soft because it's like a
thicker winterish yeah you know colder weather it's a wool yeah and then mine's like
and you I got to pick the buttons which have like you know blue thread in between and like the white
actor is just linen it's linen it let me feel it it's I don't think it's linen it's a linen blend
for sure it's a little bit it's a lighter summery one so yeah it's awesome the hood is removable
and it looks great with or without the hood and I realized or we realized yesterday that if you do
if you remove the hood like let's say you're in the car wearing your dope ass blazer with your lady
right the top is down and it's windy you can undo the hood bit from the blazer which I did my
undid mine while wearing the blazer actually you can do it and then you take it off and give it
and then it's like a bonnet like she could tie it for like her hair in a convertible totally like
felman louis ish and also um I was saying to you like every time sarin I come back from Santa Cruz
I drive and she's on the west facing window and just gets blasted by the sun and it's usually at
hour three that she like makeshift something over her face to hide it from the sun but no just give
her this thing or she could get one of those big tanning mirrors to even out the other side
like the late 60s where it's just she said look through our photos which like look really crispy
because we use the good camera and like you know the background's nice and she's like oh next time
I'll bring a bounce for your guys face and I was like this I mean yes but this is getting a little bit
yeah we walk across the street apple can clean this up yeah exactly yeah we framed out like the
back of the clippers building yeah but the photos looked all right yeah they did all right cool look
nice cool who say you shot me and I shot you yeah so did could Sarah tell who was the better
photographer uh I think they kind of look the same because we both use an auto yeah sure not to
be no we were to your university it was literally the first time I'd ever used that camera right so
if I had tried to do some kind of full manual thing but a bit very diminishing returns way
better at smiling on cue like you've got you do it in the thumbnails and stuff you have it I don't
have it so I was I was smoldering or I was like and and I asked her advice the night before I was
like what should I do for these photos and she thinks really hard uh and she's just like don't
don't think that the thing you're doing is dumb she's like just do the thing because she knows how
my brain works right you feel uncomfortable and then you'll make fun of it and then you'll look
stupid right so I tried not to do that you have to put you gotta push through the feeling stupid
that's really the hardest part of being on camera because like when I don't know for me
you know that's that's like I you know why I enjoy working on top of a mountain with just you
rather than man on the street you know shit which is like my nightmare
hmm I think I could do that but speaking in front but you know when you're on a trip like a
press trip and if there's a journalist in the car with me I don't want to do the in car with them
in there I can maybe if I've spent a day with them or I know them but I still hate it and if I don't
know them like I'm leaving them on the side of the road and I might remember to pick them up there's
three or four people outside of you that I would do in car with them sitting there you know yeah
there's not a lot yeah and one of them is jf you know in terms of other journalists I think I had to
do the last time I actually had to do in car with someone in the car I think was Kyle Kennard
on the spider rs press launch in Germany love him love and I love Kyle Kennard and he fully gets
it and we are on the same the same vibe and that was pretty mellow he's on the list but there's not
a lot of people because like other I'm trying to think if if I had to do in car with Chris Harris
sitting in the car absolutely not absolutely I wouldn't make it fine he would be immediately out of
frame like just making blowjob he'd be trying to fuck you up dude well we were I mean this is
10 years ago when we did that episode in France I'm up there on a podium at Le Mans for we were
doing that tour of Le Mans thing yeah and he's yelling into my radio but only I can hear my
earpiece Zach don't say penis while this french guy with a microphone for 10 000 people is asking
me about our drive like if you would do the same thing one more in the car oh yeah you and when
you're done he'd go he would just be like oh that many words but you said so little or whatever
the whatever the fuck yeah yeah that's that's a hostile working environment it is the one funny
I had to do it in car with someone in the car and I had just met them that morning but they were so
new to the industry that when I was done they were like you're really good at that and the whole
time I was like this is dog shit yeah and they're hearing it and I'm stumbling and I'm resetting
and so if they're brand new they might think you're doing better but if it's one of our friends or
someone who's established terrifying yeah there's a there's yeah you don't want them giving you
notes either you know hey bunch of you god jeff clucker I'll do in car with jeff clucker
being there he you know he's he's good but like who would I yeah harris is the was probably
the last any almost anyone british I mean you could I don't want to be in the car with an
Englishman period doing in car because like they just have better words than me they're
educational is truly just I'm not trying to like blah blah us like I think that whole country's focus
on English language writing and everything is amazing I'm reading Richard Porter's book right
now and he talks about how him and Clarkson were nerds about words and obviously it shows but then
reading the book I'm like yeah yes just the way it flows and the way he chooses different things and
plays around oh my god yeah like I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty good with words on with typing I'm not good
with words you know in real time the way the English are yeah it's perfect delivery
I'm pretty good with words and you and for people who are listening he taps the thing you can't
think of the word he's like typing oh yeah you and me both do man um but uh dude let's see the zinger
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slash tire here's how you could tell the downforce works my words are not very good in this video
it's not my best driving and talking uh because this car is very fast very scary uh on it it makes
you know streets of willow is it's not a quote small track but it's a lot of corners
for uh it's like 2.2 miles and it's like 19 corners or something so it's a lot of corners
and and not much in terms of straightaways and it's very much sort of a club track right like
it so if you have you know 400 horsepower 500 horsepower car you're having a really good time
on that track like that's like right i feel like you're going fast uh and you can explore that
engine in a couple of places and there's also some spots where if you got on it too hard you could
have a fuck up yeah but whereas if you had 200 horsepower probably not right so with 1250 horsepower
it is a different kind of situation um so it's just the the straightaways become so short you
know the the uh and it is still on a road tire and so although you have the downforce for the
the higher speeds stuff in a hairpin you know you are limited by the the limit of a sticky but
it's a street tire right and so there's sort of a uh a disconnect a little bit between the
the high speed limitations and the low speed limitations of the car and so on a like a really
big track the difference between this and a and like a regular car um around these many hairpins
is probably like around the many corners is probably bigger like at spa or whatever where
the average lap speed is higher um here it's just like it's a little more point and shoot
but a lot of the ways you're pointing and shooting are quite short and they just disappear so quickly
in this car it's crazy uh it's 3300 pounds of downforce yeah something like that that's
it equals it's all right high downforce version is 4400 pounds it has its own weight
and more than its own weight downforce so in theory you could do the upside down thing
but like it's it's it's very very sticky and it's very very fast and also this was like this car's
first outing and it was we shot this in when then we shoot this before before the indy 500 yeah you
were in jury duty oh that's when so is june 7th or something like that yeah it was before the indy
500 so this car has done a bunch of stuff you know with other people since i've driven it but
you know they were nice enough to bring it to the track um but they were like you know please
don't fuck this thing up because it's got a bunch of dates you know after you like nationwide
press tour right yeah the the color of this thing is wild it doesn't show up that well
on your instagram just because this was shot at noon but like in the beauty shots oh my god it's
like this python green carbon it's so good yeah that's lovely and what's actually really funny is
because this is the it's the high downforce car but it has the comfort seat and if i was you know
billionaire buying a zinger i would get the comfort seat for sure uh but as one might imagine
it's actually not enough seat for this for really track work um and so i found myself having to
like brace on the car like almost like i did in like a Mustang dark horse which is which is pretty
funny to have you know like putting your leg out yeah and like if i was driving it on the road like
of course the comfort seat as opposed to i've never even seen it in person but the car the carbon
bucket if you they showed me a photo of it maybe one i'm sure it exists somewhere i certainly wouldn't
want to own this car with it um maybe if they had like you know what would be cool and i bet you
they would do this they're a small agile company i bet if you got one and you wanted to take it to
attract day like this and they had it could send out a support team which they obviously did for
this car there was a couple of guys and a support truck if they could somehow quickly swap just swap
out the seat because it is it's a man it's on it's a manual seat like it's on a slider
like you could you could probably just you know that doors open enough like yeah it couldn't be
that hard yeah so uh that would be a fun thing if they could hot swap the seat yeah for you for
attractive you definitely need did you find a photo of it uh the seat yeah i mean it you know
picture a carbon bucket seat it's a lot like it you know it's not too different from like the m
carbon bucket seat uh here that's the back of it yeah it i think it pretty much it might like
be the m seat back but it doesn't have the the cup and the balls which makes it better so right
and it comes you know so it comes around a lot farther especially on the hips um yeah that would
be helpful when you're going this freaking fast i mean the driving was fast and back to your point
like hard to do in car when you need to focus that much or you might crash or die like this is a lot
to wrangle right like driving and talking for me is not a hard thing to do for a for a lot of other
people if they tried it it would be very hard like i'm i'm not trying to brag it's and but it was never
that hard for me in the in the beginning even like i could kind of do it pretty well for the whole
time but when the cars get really fast and more importantly when it's like takes physical effort
from your body to like it's you know talking while exercising or talking while
you know lifting weights or whatever it's it's actually harder so that becomes tough like the
traction circle right like you can turn and or break you know depending on depending on how much
your braking means you can turn or you know more or less but like if the car is x fast and you have
to brace your body like your brain has a traction circle totally 100 100 points and you know staying
alive right yeah it's 100 points yeah and you can't talk like for most people if you were to say
to do deliver some kind of a monologue while driving what percentage the average person
used for driving versus for talking versus what i use for driving i can use way less for driving
especially if it's on familiar roads at home i can like almost autopilot that
and really focus on talking whereas most people would have to allocate a lot more towards driving
yeah practice one can practice um so go watch the video it's uh there's not a lot of
new information there other than you know the thing uh that the the vmax car had which is a
bit of uh of instability at high speed and and a little bit of instability when you quickly went
from gas to brake obviously this is not an issue with this car it's fun i mean it's not it's not a
very long video which is good so like if you have 10 minutes but it's fun watching you literally yell
like like and not because you were doing a bit it's just like flooring it and then you know the
yeah it's just uh when you hit when you get past about 9 000 rpm you know in third gear in this car
your brain stops being able to think about anything else except corner gas break you know
you know whatever yeah uh so it's uh it's a very very crazy thing i mean there's you know in the
the land of the hypercar each has their own talent i mean this one is is overwhelming from the the
sensory perspective and and also the fact just like on the road that you're sitting in the middle
it makes every corner of a racetrack look a little different than it would look in other cars
because of how the a pillars are shaped you have to move your head slightly differently to look through
the same corner and you've kind of got you know that extremely prototypy formula one fighter plane
kind of vibe that um lends itself pretty well to being on the track yeah but you probably want to
be on a bigger track um in which case you're going to be going very very fast do you do yeah yeah
no i would think i mean god to try this at kota or the track where you go valhalla
like that's the kind of place for this yeah yeah nevara that was a nice place like
they were just doing um fucking of course puns took it why would he not uh the w1 mclaren was at
mugello which is which is cool like then they were doing 200 miles an hour on the front straight
i saw bossam's in car when you're like instructor with him he's doing 186 he had to do they had to
do in car i think harris had did in car with an instructor in the car really i'm pretty sure i saw
at least a little hand or something yeah of his of his video maybe not his in car but one
certainly one of the clips on instagram or something he had uh he had someone in the
car with like a radio oh um yeah dude i mean you there's sometimes like you're not above it you
know sometimes yeah and i and i don't think the person riding in the seat would be there if they
could if they could get out of it they would but like no yeah it's usually insurance or legal
it's something like that where the car is you know that expensive and that fast and you know
you're at a place where i mean if someone is not christ you know you have to make a blanket rule
at a certain point like i get it yeah yeah that's crazy yeah um fucking 200 miles 200 miles an hour
in a car at a front straight in a road car on the front straight of a racetrack is pretty
pretty well that's really how do you know how long that straight is compared to like kota
i think it's pretty long but 0.7 miles according to google ai 0.7 miles is the front
seven oh nine is the long straight okay and what about the back straight at circuit of
americas 0.62 hmm okay Miguel is even longer so yeah all right so but you'd still probably i mean
look i hit in the 750 s 175 at code on the back straight somebody in the zr1 i thought was like
179 or 180 so like this is probably 185 i mean which is humming right it's really really fast
i remember it was two years ago now that rodentrack asked if i would go i think take a 750 s to do that
that idaho straight away basically like will you go find out what the top speed is of this
mcclough and i didn't want to do it because i'd never driven that fast before so i think punn
did instead but he did he had a really good time i bet he did but that that was like a two or three
mile road yeah that car hit 211 yeah and this is 0.7 yeah hitting two yeah wow well you yeah you
need more you know to to go to 11 you know you're you're covering ground very quickly the difference
yeah it's not it did more each mile per hour over whatever takes a lot more effort but still it's
not a huge delta in miles per hour and this is like oh and i'm not sure i haven't been on mugello so
i don't know what the corner is at the end of the front straight but the corner at the end of the
front straight at the end of the back straight of coda is a is a not even a 30 mile an hour corner
it's 110 or 120 degree uh or excuse me it's it's a more than a 90 degree left hand corner that's
like 30 miles an hour actually i think this might be faster but it is also like a 190 degree corner
oh wow this uh buchine turn 15 uh big left but i don't know what the speed is
all right well either way i mean that's big braking yeah from that from that speed that's
big braking yeah it's very cool so fucking that's that i gotta mclaren i understand i didn't get to
go to mugello i might not have even been able to but you're into the roof it wasn't at the same time
it was a couple of weeks ago no but like i whatever but i was going up at the same time
the post went up at the same time so i thought yeah no um but god damn what i like to have a go in
one of those i think it'll happen punn said it was awesome yeah he said it was really good there's
some crazy fucking cards out there right now like this thing's rear wheel drive i mean it's got the
same it's got like the power of the of the zinger but it's rear wheel drive right oh boy like but
there's that there's zr1 there's all this stuff that's just 1200 horsepower is the new 600 horsepower
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i went to the uh i went to the motorcycle store because now the trip is real ali bought his vespa
and uh he and i are going to be riding uh the fun way to to to san francisco on our vespas so i
wanted and my helmet i realized was three years old so i thought new helmet um tried on the new
version of the showy i had and it was very comfortable but i was like what else is out there
that's like this price range and i actually ended up within a rye um which is really really comfy
nice and i got uh finally calms finally have bluetooth in the headset um i tested it it works
really good yeah it's nice i've heard it's amazing it's got some noise canceling i haven't done the
the the walkie talkie with ali yet um but i tried making calls and playing music and it's really
really nice and will be much better for my ears for seven hours of riding a day thanks for like
korean katie will ride you know two up on a bike and they can just chat with each other yeah yeah
it's just it's oh it's oh like voice recognition sort of open calms and uh and i got the one that
has crash detection in it and uh and when you take it off take your helmet off and put it down it
automatically shuts it off after like 30 seconds it falls it's not like calls 911 for you no no but
it also turns the power off so it doesn't it doesn't actually drain the battery which is pretty cool
and i got a pair of uh like riding jeans that are kevlar and have like uh padding in them and stuff
i feel like that's probably a good idea for sure new pair of gloves i get a new pair of gloves every
year new paris i do a new pair of summer gloves every year why do they wear out
i mean i wear them a lot i mean they're not like unusable but like the velcro stops sticking so good
and the stitching starts coming out a little bit if you wear them a lot um and they become the back
up and then last year's so i always have two pairs um they're not that expensive winter winter gloves
last much longer you're not you're not like sweating in them and whatever i'm and i'm also like when
you're running errands around you're like taking them on putting them on and off
off a lot so anyway spend some money but i feel pretty good about my my new gear i mean you spend
on safety gear that's very important that's an okay to thing to spend money on yeah but i have
really gone a long way without having like i don't i haven't been listening to music or anything for
15 years so this is going to be like a new thing to have have music and phone calls and things in
my helmet i mean i bet there's times where it'd be really nice like the right soundtrack you know
with the right back road will be awesome and then also the times where it's you keep it quiet and you
can just like let your brain rest for a little bit sure really nice yeah but uh it should be good
should be good i'm excited about my new gear so this trip is gonna be fun yeah that's gonna be super
cool yeah i told i i rode to the motorcycle store on the vest but i was getting stuff and i was like
oh yeah i'm you know i'm riding to san francisco with my friend and they like look outside and they're
like on that and i was like yeah they're like for real i was like yeah dude and then they're
asking about like actually that seems really fun yeah it seems like a pretty good time you don't
need the 900 for that yeah no you do not uh so that's that's a good time yeah um did we
talk about the did they did they post the final lineup for the cletus race
i got a text with a with an image on it that has the lineup for it so if you don't know zack and i
are doing uh a cletus mcfarland crown vic race it's stafford motor speedway in connecticut
friday july 17th anyone who's in the area uh you could drive there from new york you can drive
there from boston um you could drive there from north jersey or connecticut uh it's the new england
900 let me tell you how much i dislike this new story i mean it's exciting and also
any the headline is the possible tiny dream i had of winning which was totally imaginary anyway is
gone zack and i are in the happy to be their category the the the headline is every nascar
driver entered in cletus mcfarland how long before this just becomes nascar this is the
live gulf of nascar you know two is a couple yeah how many is do you need for there to be every
using a sense well maybe this is more than four we haven't scrolled down yet maybe it's only one
no it would say the one oh yeah that's what i'm saying uh how many are there
does it oh wait hang on notable nascar regulars like uh ryan priest bobby bobby dale earnhardt
is that dale earnhardt jr's son probably i'll go that's gotta be uh richard oh richard children
richard children himself that's so funny yo we could take out ridder oh wait hang on a minute
noting that ty and austin dillon were also expected to join and noting that uh ryan priest
quote ruled ruled the roost at stafford so apparently he's raced a lot and he's good at it
we've never seen it before wow all right so yeah we're not yeah we're definitely not he's gonna be so
that's gonna be crazy to watch from the back of the field if i just don't get lapped that's
that's the goal now uh i've driven over once how like how long do you think this race is 900 is
i think it's 200 laps okay um i'm pretty sure all right so you think the 900 just a made up
number then i think so okay cool i was trying to figure out someone told me that online and so
that's where that it's 200 laps yeah but i'm looking at the stafford thing and it just says
the time uh i think the dude said it the race starts at 730 and it probably ends around 930
so it's gonna be it's like it's gonna be 900 laps for that amount of time no no i don't but i just
didn't know like what it meant i'm fucking stoked it's gonna be so cool i mean we're gonna get crown
vic with me we're gonna get hosed by a bunch of nascar drivers but we're gonna get quote moved i mean
i know i've said before but you know that's that's the term that these guys use is i didn't hit them
i moved them yeah yeah so how much movement is allowed before it turns into hitting that's that's
what i don't know i truly don't know yeah someone moves me am i gonna want to move them back and
then am i gonna do too much and there's gonna be a retaliation there's gonna be a right you know
it's blue on blue right take your helmet off i'm not fighting anybody i mean you know you don't
know what they did to you yet that's true that's also true in my current condition i'm not fighting
anybody i got one swing oh dude no that would be so dumb getting a fistfight at a you know
cleanest at a cleanest race it'd be crazy they'd have to hit me intentionally when my car is
stationary like hard i don't know so i wonder if they're making a dent in the supply of
available crown vicks i think that's like i know there's a lot of them but they're buying them like
50 at a clip i think that's like water in the ocean yeah there's a lot of you know i'll look up
production numbers you don't know it's all right there's i'm sure there are a lot but like you are
buying buying buying and effectively totaling you know 50 at a clip for apparently made about
one half million oh wait and then they made uh if you add oh the earlier ones we're not gonna
include those so there's just 92 to 2011 they made one half million all right so take a lot of
races yeah 20 per race there's plenty of them we haven't seen people in the comments yet going
they're taking all the good ones you know they're probably not taking the good ones they're probably
taking the bad ones which is okay but i am fucking so stoked for this reason rad yeah nitrous i've
never hit nitrous before oh yeah they put sprays in the car but you have you have only one bottle
right yeah so you gotta figure it out too soon jr don't be you don't be the too soon jr i think
there's no kurt told us that kurt bush yeah 1010s invitation only yeah his advice was don't use
your nitrous too early yeah okay yeah but i just remember after i have to remember to use it at
some point don't forget your nitrous that's a good uh you know
tape note to have on the steering wheel we get to decorate our cars i know you know what i'm doing
i'm bringing my four and six year old nephews to the race and i told them they get to paint my car
great so like spray paint i get to both outsource this task and uh and bring joy to to two children
mr. nikey right uh you know haven't built you an iphone while you're at it that's a great idea
there you guys they love it they love doing little tasks over you know they're gonna i
i will enjoy painting once when i was 10 10 years old like at a relative's building yeah this is
the most fun yeah it's gonna be great we just have to make sure to tape off the windows so they don't
paint the windows on accident and the point sure they can figure that out they're not did the car
still have windows oh that's a good point i don't know they might have windshields yeah i think i hope
they have windshield i hope they have windshields they might they may not have other windows yeah
speaking of which i forgot to order that buffeting thing uh-oh that wasn't a great sound
everything's breaking today you broke your coffee grinder well you didn't break it broke
that's not great i don't actually want to open that that might create a big mess
yeah do that over uh over the sink later over the uh spill of flage no what was it called
stain of flies oh they sent me a photo did they really you want to see it does it
were they accurately describing it it actually looks way nicer than they described really okay
when i went home and i pulled out that shirt that i have to maybe wear it to dinner that was
the color of the stained oil shirt for people listening uh go go listen to the show with
david uh tracy and griffin they're talking about their new shirt stain of flage but look at this
that's really funny okay so okay so i mean movie theater carpeting which is how tracy
described it is is accurate yeah um but it also it's act let's say it's accurate but it's not
precise sure right because there are many ways to look at a movie theater carpet this um okay this
has sort of a it's got a layering of patterns so on the it's a blackish base shirt that has
a sort of like spaghetti like pattern on it almost like a very swirly signature yeah that's
repeating yes and then layered on top of that is a subtle checkered flag pattern that that you
know collectively creates a camouflage-esque look but with varying shades of like colors that you'd
find on the floor of a garage i'm like a really uh dirty garage wait so asak if i hold this to
your camera can you can you film that and get it is it is am i breaking the am i supposed to show
this i don't know let's see it on their merch store couldn't hurt they
i'm sure you know so it actually won't be mad about us increasing their sales yeah right
is that am i holding in the right place yep okay so that i think i think we've described it sort of
well there it's it's dark colors and swirly's and a checkered flag ish pattern over there if you
told me that this was rob dyrdek's new whatever line i'd go okay yeah yeah his signature repeating
repeating there's a lot of stuff that has that kind of uh so it looks it looks cooler than i expected
but the badge is decent too do you see that you zoom in on the badge in a bad no seriously the badge
looks like it is some industrial like hypey fashion ish brand you know fashion adjacent brand
kind of right yeah i mean a little bit i also think it looks the tag looks like it would come on
something from uh from 3m sure which is also what you want 3m and affliction 3m stainless yeah 3m
stainless flush but i i i thought those guys are fucking hilarious that's so fun dude he's crazy
he's great like what an endeavor and uh we always see him after the success like last time he was on
he was after he'd fixed that car in the woods for three weeks and like got bit by bugs and stuff
and you know it's it's second tier fun it's fun once you've done it but that's that's my wife's
family motto fun is best when it's over hmm some fun sure that that's hiking fun i know it's their
motto right yeah i'm just i'm disagreeing i have a lot of fun while i'm having fun usually
but i think i think the implication is the overcoming of the challenge is reviewed later
as something that was fun of course once you didn't die absolutely yeah you know or kill each
other as it is with had as i was gonna say maybe that's why it's it's all second tier fun for them
because they're happy it's over and then they can talk about it all right let's go to the people
there we have we have a lot of um this stuff or what is this well this is you want to
talk about this video or save that it's a larry chen's thing oh i texted you about last night
oh you know what i was at dinner and we had got a mooch of red wine okay sorry we can save it or
you can just tell me about it so uh if you have a lot of people watch this video but larry chen went
to a company called jung chen in china and the big story with them is that they are making
unibody chassis of classic cool cars that we all love like the a86 240 sx land cruiser um
are they making this is wild is this who's making is this where revology is getting bodies from
and not to my knowledge i think they're making their own bodies i'm pretty sure based on their
videos revology makes them in florida yeah but this is kind of a similar i mean yeah like
revology goes revology took the classic Mustang and went all right how's it made let's make it look
exactly the same constructed a little better but that's all they're gonna make so what this company
does this company's full-time job essentially is making car parts for companies like this is a
massive fucking for real factory with it's an oe supplier oe supplier and so so what they decided
to do is make the dies for all the a86 parts and like they press it all the same way Nissan used to
or Toyota used to and then they weld it together so these are new old stock unibodies or not new
old stock just new it's new unibodies but are they are they better uh like a revolution
revologies unibody is better than you would have gotten from ford is that which is it's just
that's a choice right so i would say yes and no so in the video like they show that they galvanized
the steel for example of the 86 they didn't do that back in the day so these are these are less
likely to rust but one of the early ones was purchased or partnered with big time for sima
and so big time was going to build an a86 and they said a bunch of oe and parts wouldn't fit on it
right so the tolerances were wrong so you know larry like larry does a great job of exploring
how this whole process works like the way i mean the way that a die is made is really cool i don't
even know and the way they press it and all that shit but he didn't address that qc problem like
what was interesting is he said that they've never this company has never taken one of their chassis
and then assembled a full car from which i'm like i mean one they should for promotional material
but two for qc like that that now maybe they just they measure with lasers and stuff but
also you should do with qc build one come on if you have a ginormous factory yeah hire six
fucking guys to finish one of these as a car and tell you if it's possible right and maybe they
have since then because they've done they've built like 600 bronco bodies like the classic bronco
and some of those are now built and going for sale for lots of money so in in many ways they are
probably better than the originals but fitment i guess i i didn't get enough information from
the video to know if that's true or not uh it's dude as an endeavor though it's it's kind of brilliant
and also i'm wondering when lawyers show up from oems because you know this isn't oh they're not
doing this with permission i don't know it wasn't covered but like they said they're gonna build a
recreation of things yeah it's Porsche and i i feel like that'll be the canary in the coal mine
for sure uh because i don't i don't know if they have permission from desan you know toyota or
whatever yeah well i guess the first question is like how much of a car or a part do you have to
build to you know to get permission you know i mean i i don't know the rules of like do i need
permission from toyota to build a exhaust that fits a g r carola like probably not i don't think i do
so do i need permission from toyota to build a door that fits a toyota great probably not
do i need you know what i mean like how how much of a toyota can i build
before i need permission from toyota totally i and i might have no idea how those laws were
that's a really great point because they do make parts that supply body shops yeah if your door
gets dinged like you're not maybe you don't get it from toyota you get from one of these places
and it fits great so they just like hey can we do all the parts and then sell the thing
and another philosophical question that it brings up is if you buy an 86 from them
is it a toyota a 86 or is it a you know jung chen 86 you probably have to do what you would do
with a fucking muscle car or whatever you you find the donor car and you get transfer the vin
onto this new unibody do you there's a legal process for that by the way sure oh i'm just
but i just mean like philosophically do you see that as an 86 or do you see it as a replica
right it's something we've talked about like as the quality of a car construction goes up yeah
we talked about with horology like now it's made the same way the cars used to be made
effectively stamped pressed welded yeah like at one point is a replacement part i mean there's
mclaren f ones that have had replacement carbon tubs you know there's replacement frames of cars
like it becomes mclaren tubs made by mclaren yeah yeah there's not an after party and i don't
have an answer i just think it's fascinating it there's a couple of things like can you register
them that takes that's challenging depending on your state and then like what will they be seen as
yeah look at this challenger uh you know a challenger a challenger uh it's just a typo they got
it right over here yeah but i i think this is great for like track builds i mean because some of
these cars are so expensive and if you want to build an 86 to drift or track drive and you have
to go buy a 30 000 you know whatever enthusiast taxed one now just get these bodies like 15 grand
yeah and it doesn't come with a whole bunch of things that you'd probably throw away
building a right race car if you bought you know a good one right like you don't need you don't
need to gut it right you can just add what you need instead of having to take out until you know it
gets there so it's interesting i think it's not a real 86 i don't think it is but you
know i also i don't i don't think even the other the other end the the borough motor works or the
ravology or the you know uh i don't think those are re quote real but that doesn't necessarily
take away from their quality it's just yeah real and fake doesn't necessarily mean bad and good
yes especially today yeah especially with old cars old cars the you know the quote real ones
sometimes drive poorly yeah so like a like an icon fj is like really not a toyota anymore yeah
for all intents and purposes like not real very but like it's so vastly better than the original
product that to me it's a desirability of a hundred to zero yeah in terms of which one i'd
actually have to drive like i don't give a shit if it's real and i bet if you own an icon if you
will say oh is that you know nice lane cruiser you're probably like yeah it's an icon you want
to put that name in the sense because it's so respected now that was literally in my rodent
track column this past month that the perception of replica has has now switched
where like if you've got a revolet like when i would drive around back in the day
in our replica cobra when people would learn it wasn't real they'd be disappointed like they just
were and maybe like that i mean then that doesn't disappointment maybe matters to people maybe
doesn't matter to people like who gives a shit but like enough times it affected me and i was like
okay i don't think i want any more replica cars driving the revology mustangs around
and you tell them what they are and that there's actually and people are like wait what and they're
actually more impressed sure yeah that's a good point um you know maybe because it doesn't seem
like your and also it's more expensive than the thing it's copying so that's the you know a cobra
was like even a nice cobra was like 10 15 percent of the value of a real cobra yeah now this is
100 to 200 percent of the value of the thing it's impersonating a singer turbo you know so
how interesting of a state of affairs we've found ourselves in there so
that was what my column go read it on rodent track but it's yeah people react differently
when you tell them it's fake but not just differently the opposite if it's from a brand they know or
respect or or if you explain it to them then yeah or if you show it to them and they you know they
can see the you do the door slam and they go oh yeah you know that's a good point yeah really weird
right yeah so maybe if you build a better 86 using one of these bodies especially if you become a
company that's respected for that um then people go oh it's not just like a modified one it's yeah
it's from you know fatties is 86 imports or whatever the fuck yeah pretty weird don't say
don't say his name three times or fatties will call us tomorrow and be like
i'm buying unibodies i mentioned it for him specifically he is he is the kramer of our friend
group he's uh he's doing some his new businesses doing some stuff this weekend i think or next week
so he's the yo if you're in la and you need that dry ice dry ice cleaning on your shit
not just cars food trucks kitchens industrial equipment parts you know you can use that stuff
david tracy with those diffs for sure whoa and it's dry cleaning i what if you dry ice black
what if you dry ice blast his shirt my god that's what it survive and would it just yeah
would all the oil fall out of that would it if it made that shirt white again could you from red
line oil sand make david tracy's shirt white again this is good content i'm gonna text harder
hard agree when we're done for real for uh yeah once he gets a couple a couple under his belt
he's gonna do the coontosh that'll be some contento donnie when the coontosh was at
donnie's was and i can't say his name three times either the bots will show up but uh uh but uh
he was like offended at the idea of dry ice plastic why because the idea that he would not
clean it good enough was like insulting and i had to bring someone else in to do it to clean the
underside of the car which like all right sure that's what i said i was like fine you want to
fucking clean the car you i was like i don't give a shit i don't pay somebody else
right i mean if he's if he's obsessed enough to sit there and scrub the underside of a car
whatever but dry ice is quicker for getting oily gunk off yeah and i don't know how much oily gunk
there is i mean the entire engine is completely now spotless but oh that's not much left in there
that's good but like hey fucking while you're in there why not but the underside of my car is
is uh full of power steering gunk actually i wiped out the whole tray went through a lot of paper
towels really yeah okay maybe you're this then too well he's gonna do both mine
if this goes well i'm going to put an outdoor lift at the gardena store so he can just do it
because it's so messy can't do it inside no yeah definitely not but i can't wait to see how much
actual dry ice it takes to uh to do a car it's hundreds of pounds of dry ice yeah that's a lot
i forget what number he said but it's a lot yeah but and also i want to do a little blast in
myself see what's what seems fun for five minutes yeah you know just like driving
the backhoe yeah yeah as long as you got something to wreck dude pressure washing i mean we've all done
it like it is cathartic it is you just watch the you're watching progress happen have you have you
tried the floor zamboni south base door that's pretty fun too that's a good i think it's a good
fucking vibe can you over polish the floor where it becomes slippery no it's not a polisher it's a
it's a zamboni that washes the floor but it doesn't polish no yeah no we don't know yeah that'll be
that would be a lot although that does seem nice just it's probably a decent core exercise too
it is it's like twisting with some effort yeah yeah uh let's go to the people they have more to say
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it's gonna be awesome um so those people full self-driving to the scene of the accident did you
see the guy was charged with manslaughter speaking of that the guy who crashed into the house in
texas really and they the tesla guy like tweeted that the throttle was at 100 that guy was charged
with manslaughter so wait wait wait the guy driving the car or the guy that tweeted no no no i'm not
the guy who tweeted okay the guy driving the car who crashed into the house and killed the woman
was charged with manslaughter yeah that makes sense tesla's statement which may be subject to actual
discovery now because it's almost certainly the guy's defense is going to be that the car did it
of course right yeah so this will this could be very very interesting i mean it's absolutely
possible in and and in fact very likely that he was very over reliant on autopilot in general and
came into a situation where he didn't see a stop sign or a turn and panicked and pressed the wrong
pedal and and there you go um and and and he will almost certainly try to blame uh tesla in a
variety of different ways and we'll see if any of them actually hold up in court uh whereas tesla
obviously will do everything they can to make sure that this guy uh is blamed for this crash it
will be interesting it could be a very simple you know case in one way or the other well i mean
look the the legalese says the driver's always responsible so but it's gonna but if this guy
can convince a jury that in fact the tesla does bear some responsibility i mean he doesn't he has
to convince people yeah you know and people can be swayed true and all but all tesla would have to
have data that they can prove is legitimate and then the defense will be like well how do we verify
well but if they make them argument to a jury and say they're misleading marketing led my cousin
my client to over rely on the product and he degraded his skills and he was not you know he
thought the car was going to handle this situation and it you know it you could could potentially
convince a jury they could and then yeah yeah it'll be interesting doubt they will but you know
well if tesla can do the thing that you know some of the toyotas did where they're like look
this is the point based on the data where the guy hit the full full gas thought he was hitting the
brake i mean you know tragic obviously but that's that and if they can show that and prove that this
is attached to his car because this is the venom and then the you know jury will go oh okay yeah
probably yeah but they might be able to to make a convincing enough argument i mean because it's
tesla they may get a real hot shot fucking lawyer attached to this guy you know a defense
lawyer that really wants to go after tesla sure and sees this as a way in and will represent
this person for free whereas they may not be able to afford that type of lawyer otherwise yeah
that's a good point johnny cochran type if you think go for damage yeah yeah get filmed we get
in here to analyze the case uh anyway that all that from the guy's fucking username
going to northern italy next year for roughly the same amount of money you can rent a for
modern ferrari for six to eight laps at monza or rent one for a day to drive through the countryside
pros and cons of each option leaning towards the track uh six to eight laps at monza
monza is a pretty big track so actually and and assuming those are laps like where you can
really run the car like you're going to get up to a big speed and that's an experience you know
that's a that's a 30 minute 20 to 30 minute uh hot run and if it's modern for assuming it's a it's a
modern ferrari that you really want to be on the track that not just because a car is a ferrari
doesn't necessarily mean and also depending on you know the level of freedom they give you
yes i doubt they're going to let you drift the car but like is it are the instructors
that are going to encourage you to have a have a good time and and really get the car going
maybe not i don't know that is that is a tough choice because i've done i've never driven at
monza but i have driven ferrari's on track in italy and i've also driven them around italy what
i will say is when you drive a ferrari around italy the citizens go apeshit they love it i had
people like asked i had a young dude asked to sit in my car to take a picture people smile like
they're very proud of the brand yeah and you also like there's something magical about driving that
car through that countryside and there's also places you can go kind of quick and the roads are
great and there's roads that are not so great so fuck man you can't go wrong either way there's not
a lot of places in italy to really in the countryside to really go fast enough to use a ferrari no you
need autostrada yeah because the roads the back roads are really tight they're tight they're windy
they're the tarmac isn't always perfect i mean a good a quality hatchback on the back roads is
going to be really as much fun as a ferrari that's very true in terms of like dynamics right um
but the vibe i'd i would probably just do the track to be honest with you i'd probably just do the
track um if if yeah you'll get if what you love about ferrari cars is like the speed and the allure
performance you'll get to feel that on the track that's true tappin z's nuts smallest car that you
know that will fit a set of golf clubs in the trunk uh smallest car i think think an astin vantage
will fit a set of golf clubs if you take the woods out setting no drivers yeah i think
uh an amg gt will well look at 1991 1991 act your nsx will absolutely fit golf clubs in the
trunk my ferrari 328 would fit golf clubs in the trunk my coontosh will fit golf clubs in the
trunk as a matter of fact like no it will not that's not true i bet the scion what's the vertical
sign the xb yeah it'll fit in that trunk at an upright angle oh easily i bet those are shorter
and smaller than the sports cars maybe that's funny i hadn't thought of an xb yeah maybe i mean
there's probably like like the chevy chivette like some little shitty economy car from the
early 80s that'll fit a set of golf clubs in the trunk but i don't think that's this is a
period of the question um you know corvettes uh that's a staple of corvettes front and mid
engine corvettes um mclaren gt the mclaren the mclaren gt like when they has that that trunk
over the engine that will fit a surfboard oh or a a small set of skis or a snowboard yeah or
golf clubs yeah that's what i asked laura mclaren i was like yo let me get those new mclaren golf
clubs have you seen those i was like loan me the mclaren gt with the set of mclaren golf clubs
so i can go play a little fucking golf ski with these things see what they're about
they're probably so expensive oh we talk about these yeah mclaren irons yeah yeah i want to borrow
for you she said she would look into it i don't i she she didn't get back to me i'm sure she had
more important things to do with the w1 launch dray from houston says what's the most heinous
thing you've done with a car for example i've jumped a car unintentionally uh okay heinous how
we define heinous heinous i mean there was the time i ran over that child and didn't tell anybody
until today does that count but that was uh baby hitler jr so you save the world
heinous i mean i've i've like fucked up rental cars and gotten away with it before when i was
younger i mean when i was like in my 20s like you stood on one the grand we danced on the roof
of the grand marquis we actually also jumped that car over train tracks like intentionally we did
like a fucking juke's hazard that motherfucker yeah that was serious that that might have been
actually the worst that's the highest i've ever jumped any car i think wow yeah i blew the head
gasket on my dad's scout offroading it and i didn't realize how severe you know that is in terms of
damage at the time now i recognize that was a big problem oh i um i got uh the the mercury villager
the nautica villager um when i was a well it was before i guess this was one of the
first times i ever drove on a vacay i i when i you know i talk about like selling weed and
shit in college all the time but i don't really talk about the fact that i was actually sober in
high school like i i really didn't enjoy drinking because i love driving so much right and i just
like i just knew them things didn't go together and and and i hadn't i didn't smoke weed until i
went until i went to college um like i did when i was like 12 for like two months and then not
again until i was went until college so um so i didn't uh wait where's it go with that uh oh
shit how do we get there oh heinous things we've done with a car um so i i would my parents were
very comfortable with me driving places including like on overnight trips in high school which other
people's parents maybe weren't but me being like sober they were like pretty much fine with it and
so uh i took the van the mercury villager to nantucket drove it and then got on the ferry and i
fucking got it stranded i beached it in the sand and drove it in the sand had to get towed out
it was fucking pretty shameful yeah i mean they're shameful i guess yeah that's heinous when we went
down to south carolina when my parents first got bought the house down there or the property before
we even had a house uh when i was 16 or 17 me and larry casillo went down there with my parents
but they let me let us get our kind of our own rental car like they rented it but it was and there
was maybe a quarter of the houses on the island that are there now and not even there was a few
roads that are paved and we had this for torus big frog eyed for torus we stage rallied the fuck out
of this thing there was mud all we took it like mud bogging like diving through these mud pits like
sending it sideways on these dirt just terror all night everyone's asleep never got caught nothing
but right the next morning the car's in the driveway and it's just every caked in mud like
our trucking king of the havers was like that but parents were like that when we went to bed the car
did not look like they mad yeah yeah mad really bad i had sex uh on part of your focus rs that was
kind of heinous but which part the door was open and we used the door get out of here but i would
not i refuse to have sex in the car thanks because that's exactly it was a lease yeah but still it's
that's grimy thanks for telling me now i saved this for years i mean when did you have that car
that was 12 years ago yeah it was uh it was a 17 i think or a sick 2016 so yeah 10 years ago yeah
nice nice put that on the car facts
flood damage oh gross oh wow
incorporeal spirit of bob barker uh okay wait
wait what uh oh that's a comment oh oh it's okay sorry that was a sorry delay of game there
sob 93 aero press launch are you garbage if you have a starlight headliner in a nod rolls
roiss vehicle no i think it's cool now i think sarah sarah got an uber recently they had it and i
said do you know that was a $12,000 option when that came out with when rolls roiss like invented
it yeah and now it's just a thing you can get out yeah can you can you but it's probably
only costs yeah sure i bet it's not fiber OPTIQ in all the cars now you think it's just a panel
they just put up there if i had to guess because leds are cheap and easy now uh what is it after
light starlight aftermarket yeah let's see starlight head fck light bars is the name of this website
by the way fck like first one at the top i mean this looks okay starlight headliner kit shooting
star has $400 no that's what this says oh but it's it says from 400 to 1900 let's see
let's see what the difference how many stars do you want how i want all the stars 3000
stars two grand 3000 stars and you get the venom headrest oh boy wait so how does it
can we how does it install like what's the deal 12 volt power supply twinkle features recommend
doesn't say anything nothing about uh i mean it's pretty if you if you had an uber black
yeah this this would get you five stars these look much brighter than the rolls roiss one yeah
i think the leds can only be so small i'm sure that's what they are but that's uh pretty funny
i say i say go for it i don't think you're garbage the specter now has the has in the doors too
well yeah it's sealing and doors it's it's it's very fucking driving the specter with the windows
down on a warm night at night and and playing music loud is fucking epic really really great
kyle 951 if you wanted to start your own line of Porsche builds similar to the famous re-imaginers
would you still start with an air-cooled 911 or if you could build the most perfect
tailored Porsche would it not be air-cooled i have i've only driven like three air-cooled cars i think
so i do enjoy the engine but i haven't yet discovered what's better about it than a really
good water-cooled engine so i would probably just go with the water-cooled engine because
you can make more power for less money you don't need this like crazy roth sport
400000 dollars shit yeah hundred horsepower and especially if it's like an n a gt
three engine feels and sounds almost exactly the same to me so i'd probably go water-cooled
i i yeah i would probably use a water-cooled engine as well i'm not that committed to
air-cooled engines um i think they're cool but if you were talking about the ultimate experience i
think i would not use a an air-cooled engine you hear that marco go fuck yourself i know he's
listening right now that's fine um let's see uh florida man sorry what takes a car from really
fast to you shouldn't sell this to people fast is it an element of danger or the difference between
two to three seconds zero to sixty no it's it's like when you when a car can spin the tires
at like 85 miles an hour with the traction control fully on that's it's not necessarily
just fast it's like fast and like a handful you know we're like the where traction control is
like a suggestion more so than an actual thing that keeps you from getting wheelspin yeah that's
that's much more of the you know where it's like wait you're selling an 850 horsepower
hellcat that you can lease for like a thousand dollars a month like and what with like regular
tires on the back like that's crazy or or the mclaren you know 765 which will like
happily do a burnout on the freeway with the traction control on um
you know cars that are just like really nasty that you have to like kind of fight and and
wrestle a little bit to to to drive fast where i go man you really you're just gonna you're just
gonna sell that to people like wow um you know that kind of stuff
i thought more people would crash like tesla plaids but i think people realize pretty quickly
that doing those types of that type of accelerating like isn't all that pleasant or or all that useful
and yeah i guess people are like a little of a little more sound mind than i thought you know
and i i would wager a lot of the people that they get excited by that zero to 60 they do a couple
times but once the speed goes beyond 60 at that rate they slow down like plenty of people are
used to going 60 very few people you know other than us and track people are like accustomed to
going 140 yeah so when it starts to like really accelerate beyond what they're used to on the
highway they're like okay yeah maybe yeah um i fought the years and the years one has decided
to buy a macan aside from the pasum sport chrono and sport exhaust are there any options that make
a real difference to the car from a driving feel perspective maybe the size and weight of the wheels
you get if you get small wheels versus big wheels versus the sport design like light weight wheels
true that can make a big difference outside of that um uh is there there might be a sport steering
wheel option in that car where you have a slightly smaller steering wheel that can make a difference
if you get 18 ways versus the base seats that can make a difference um but those three options in
terms of dynamics are pretty much it a lone list list wow it's really uh when you take those two
words without like the rest of the song it's really depressing uh i'm looking at 2023 models the price
difference between an Audi e-tron gt non rs and a similarly equipped Porsche tycon 4s is around 30k
is the tycon fork 4s really a $30,000 vehicle excuse me $30,000 better vehicle experience than
an e-tron gt uh no i don't think it is i think they're mechanically very similar cars the Porsche
feels more like a Porsche the steering in particular is is much more Porsche like uh much i think it
has better feel than the e-tron you sit lower in the Porsche um but i i don't think that i think
that price difference is much more like perception than than reality unless what was the first year
of the e-tron was that the first because if that was if it's a 2020 i don't remember the first year
of the e-tron but it was definitely after the tycon 2022 okay so spring of 21 there may be
there may be a i don't know but possible slight difference in reliability dependability
because the Porsche came out a year earlier i i don't really know um well in the first year
tycon had a lot of problems i wonder if the first year e-tron was better it may have been i
haven't tracked it yeah but uh that's just one thing that could be but i i do think the difference
is perception more than the quality of the vehicle and when i was looking at tycons the e-trons were
way way cheaper way cheaper but like i could have gotten the same car for $10 or $15,000 less
almost but because we talked to people about Porsche so much it just made more sense to just buy the
Porsche um and i think that was for me the right call but for you if what you want is like a a good
dynamic driving you know fast comfortable ev that's depreciated to below what the experience of the
car will provide you that is a there's not a $30,000 difference between those two cars at all
there's maybe a 10 right maybe some difference probably yeah uh let's see i'm lit uh
a adh my d that's pretty good uh i'm listing my 2014 BMW 335 i m sport for sale i've deemed that
it's not a fit for bat i think it could be acceptable for cars and bids but i'm scared
that it will sell too cheap at auction am i crazy or should i just do the marketplace
auto trader thing and wait for the right person to come along and and willing to pay what i think
it's worth well look i mean there are well known strategies that you can employ to maximize your
car's sale at auction you can give it a great fucking detail you can you know service it right
before with records you can have you know find do take really great photography do really great
videography you know there's things you can do to improve your odds of getting a good number at
auction you can also set a reserve and if you don't think you don't want to sell your car for less
than you know a certain number you can set a reserve price and you don't have to so there's
that and then you're out the listing fee um you can also but those same strategies with good photos
and good and good descriptions and service records like those are the same things that you would use
to maximize your value anywhere else but trading it in at a dealership right so you still have to
invest that time in making the car look good no matter what so the question is do you want to
negotiate down with somebody right do you want to be the person that others are coming to and
telling you why they don't think your car is worth this much to your face and negotiating you down
or do you want to put your car out there but have them negotiate up with each other
that's the difference i would much rather present something as best i possibly can
put it out there confidently and then let the market tell me what it's worth
uh than me deciding arbitrarily that i'm only going to sell this thing if i get this much money
or that i think it's worth this even though the market thinks it's worth that um that's the risk
when you sell a car um you know but if you really want to get every dollar if you want to really
maximize your dollar and you don't really care if that means more work do the detail do the photos
try all the free options first marketplace craigslist whatever with those photos in that description
and ask for that big number and if you get it great and if not you know you can you can
roll it on cars and bids and and see what the market decides i mean a 2014 BMW 335i is like
the kind of car you see on cars and bids all the time so it's not like it's too cheap to be
auctioned off i mean it's you'll get you'll get money for that car and and i think
if you present the car well like you'll get like we we sell cars here west side we sell cars all
the time we're a local partner for both cars and bids and bat and we if you present the car well
you get market price you just do there's enough audience on these sites that like you will get
market price so that's how i roll you just market price may not be the think the amount
that the seller thinks it is that's a different story murray long last name says bought a 1980s
minolta tele a out of autofocus point and shoot camera excited to get back into film photography
are there plans to dust off your film cameras soonish not really man in fact i sold my pentax k
1000 to jebron um i
what without the process of doing the printing because if i shoot on film i i ultimately have
to go to a lab and have prints made like digitally i really liked the working in the dark room and
making the prints the big large format prints and stuff like that and that was a lot of my process
back in the day and you know the best cat for me the best camera really most of the time is the
one i've got on me and my phone and really just does the job i need for that so i like the idea
of holding a mechanical camera much more than i like the idea of of that i like the actual
action of carrying one around they're fucking kind of heavy and clunky and i feel like sort of a
pretty soon like film is all that's going to work as evidence you know what i mean like
pretty soon it's going to be like the only way to prove the only way to prove something was real
you know so i think the industry will see a resurgence that's funny once you can no longer
use digital photography at all as evidence a lot of the pictures in those files will probably shut
on film yeah back in the day so maybe hard to create them with a i uh
oh a second jz has hit the super speaking on the young jung chen do you pronounce the
it's do you pronounce the j it's jung chen you know i don't know what jung chen
all right we'll try um if you had david tracy's mechanical skills a functioning back and an
open pocketbook what body from them would you buy to build with friends i don't know how they have
many bodies they have but i mean the idea of an 86 is is a good start i don't hate that oh here we
go i should have the list of bodies car car car body dot com hell yeah it's linked
on their site oh boy this looks like they sell fake cars doesn't it i mean okay uh classic cars
uh let me go there uh toyota land rover nissan moz i mean i i gotta say the 86 is probably what i
would do you know a little s 2000 motor in there maybe rip shit at bronco escort mark 2
nissan z the 240z moz the rx3 that could be cool
i might do a 240z i think they're beautiful and it would be really fun to build one from ground
up not oem style like david like mod you know i want to head towards where larry chen's current
car is but that might be a cool way to go that's pretty cool i like it i like a z but i think i
looks like the singer from turnstile says what is the what do you think the reason
is for bmw's reluctance to make a true sports or supercar profit margins in crossovers i think
i think i think a supercar a sports car like a mostly mass produced sports car like if they were
to make say a z8 again or something like that right particularly if it was not platform shared
with anything else the way the z4 in the super is is like the lowest margin car that they could
probably make yeah so that's a problem yeah right they could make a super a hypercar and make 500
of them and sell them for 5000000 dollars and they'd have margin on that but like you ain't
getting one you know so i think they're there are the options right now are to
wait and see if toyota has another car they can platform share with because the z4 and the super
are now dead um see if somebody else wants to partner on another sports car um or build a hypercar
i i don't i mean i it would be a shame if bmw had but there are no sports cars but they're
pretty comfortable building these sports sedans and sport crossovers and sport suvs it's it's
really not their brand i mean the only time they've done it it correct me if i'm wrong is the m1 right
and that was small run and that was 50 years ago 40 years ago uh it was an 80 81 so yeah
45 years ago they tried once but like they've done plenty they've done really well with what they do
you know fast sedans fast coups based in sports you know normal car shape and and they can platform
share it's not like they are missing out on something that was a tentpole of their brand so
you know you can love the brand you can go oh wouldn't it be cool if they did this but like
i just don't think it's them and i don't know that they would do a great job at it they have a good
IMSA team like in the you know p1 level but like i don't want to see that driven on the road really
yeah it was just not for them yeah i i think i think they're following the money um bring back
the smoking fryer wants to get back into a corvette previously had a c6 uh z51 loved it always wanted
a c5 z06 but also a c4 zr1 has come on the radar all three can be had for basically the same money
this is the 25 000 challenge how would you compare these corvettes for half cruiser half canyon car
so like you know the older you go in corvette like the worst the build quality and the worst the
technology and and and but um c4 zr1s are really a if you know you know kind of car
and 25 grand will get you an awesome one like a low mile one in a good color
and they look at this interior they there it's yeah oh yeah the seat is actually quite comfortable
but it's just really plasticky but these things go really fast these bolsters yeah great these
in the zinger yeah they're cool um but these are very fast cars they're they handle really well
they're really comfortable once you're sitting in them and um you know time hasn't been kind to to
them in terms of the styling or the the buttons and stuff but they're really neat and they're
really rare it's if you know you know kind of cars c5 z06's are the sort of gold standard of
i want to go fast for cheap and i don't if you've already had a c6 i think i think you
going to a c4 will feel like a totally different kind of car whereas going to a c5 will feel like
a shittier version of the car you had before already yeah the c506 to me is race and track car
first yeah everything else is secondary so this is just they said it's a cruiser round and canyon
car cruise around it's not i don't think it's good for that i mean they sound they look great and
sound good but the inside insides bad this is gonna feel at least like a bit of a time machine
and you can go to radwood with it yeah you can do more things with it if you're not just trying to
go fast yeah i agree yeah but if you want that vibe you know you could also consider a viper
you know which would be a different enough experience but the same kind of kind of
vibe his last two uh elderly woman behind the wheel of a small car that's very good
what car would each of you love to go for a ride in down woodward avenue could be a muscle car of
or one of a crazy creation i would like to drive really anything built by randy grub but maybe that
deco the deco liner that the bus he built that we drove for tuned back in the day wow the art deco
bus from the roof drive it from the roof you're you're yachting at that point you are yachting
and you're you're not it's fabulous that's a great answer i was gonna be like ah 33 4 or something
like that which would also be very fun but i'll go in a similar vein but small one of the the
belly tanker cars that people have built you get very hot i would get very those don't have fans on
the radiators like you yeah good but it's like a fun interesting choice sure you basically would
just what you'd want to do is get towed around by the deco liner on like a fixed
tow bar yeah yeah um bm trouble you last one out of random curiosity i googled a 24 hour watch
today and didn't like anything i was shown uh do you know of any 24 hour watch that's not
aesthetically icky or is that a stupor hour format to put on a watch anyway well if you're talking
about a single like a watch that has 24 hour markers on it is like a single hand yeah like the
a lot meister singer is the one that really comes to mind yeah that one i mean if that's
it's a very specific thing looks big some of those are big but you don't let the white background
photos like fool you but um but also like gmt watches have a 24 hour hand they also have
regular hour and minute hands so if what you're looking for is a watch that's exclusively a 24
hour watch with with two hands or even one hand and has like 24 hour indicators on the main dial
they're probably going to look a little awkward if you get a gmt it'll have a regular dial but
then it'll have a 24 hours one to 24 around the bezel and it will have an extra hand that will
point to the bezel numbers and that looks much more normal so raketa yeah you don't you can get
into the deep rabbit hole of russian watches um they all tick like fucking time bombs the time
qc on soviet watches is not good uh having said that what there's one of the best watchmakers
in the world is russian his name is konstantine chacon and he makes crazy fucking shit really
dope stuff uh that's our show kids fucking good times you're going to be hearing it late but i
guess have a good i hope you've had a good fourth of july weekend if you're listening
don't blow your fucking self up um i'm going to idaho to drive a cool new car uh i had i
did i tell you the concept of this story has nothing to do with the car yeah uh the concept is i was
on one of our road and track events and we were and i had an idea that where if you want to find
good roads you should look near a dam there's always good roads around dams um mainly because
they're around lakes and rivers where you also find good roads and it's also there's going to be some
elevation drop of a dam as well right so it's a good way to start looking for roads and i uh was
assigned to uh find some damn fucking damn roads so i found two of the the coolest dams that i could
find uh in the country in the middle of middle of nowhere and i made a really good drive route
between these two dams that should be very spectacular this is a good idea it's a little
silly but it's a reason to go it's a reason to go to idaho i mean i've been near what i don't know
three dams and like the one in tennessee the roads are great and that's where i thought of it yeah in
tennessee yeah off of whatever by tail the dragon yeah by that uh that road's fantastic and then
there's hoover dam and then i don't know what's around there that's like a valley of fire yeah
valley of fire lake mead how far is valley fire from the hoover dam it's right there okay yeah it's
close uh it's it's close um i saw hoover dam from lake mead is right by hoover dam so i don't
remember the oh yeah there's the the main road is not that but you turn off afterwards and you hit
the good stuff yeah no there's lake powell there's a good there's a there's fucking it's not one to
it's not always but like it was not hard for me to find a spectacularly good drive route from
this one dam to the other one like 300 miles of just epic fucking idaho river roads should be awesome
yes that would be sweet all right good times i'll see you when i get back uh peace out kids
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Matt Farah and Zach kick off with off-the-record ticket help, then pivot into personal stories: choosing matching blazers, photo-taking on trips, and the awkward reality of “in-car” journalist interviews. The conversation then shifts to track excitement—Matt’s experience driving the high-downforce Zinger 21C at Willow Springs—and what that kind of pace means for upcoming racing against NASCAR drivers at Cletus’ event. The show also touches on Chinese-made enthusiast-car “reproductions,” including Chinese knockoff unibody structures, and debates whether that’s a good thing for the hobby.
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