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Selections a little bit. GM has just run an eight-second quarter mile in their ZR1X. I had a

little pallet cleanse this morning in my own 718 Spider, and Zach found a one-of-one special

coach-built Ferrari right in his own neighborhood. It's the Smoking Tire podcast. Let's go.

Mm-hmm.

Because it's like, hadn't driven it for like five weeks, like a deep cold, you know.

And I met up with Evan Funke, our new friend, Chef, watches the Netflix Chef's table on him.

It's crazy. He's got a GT3 wing car manual that he took the wing off, which is pretty cool.

Very cool.

It's a pretty cool thing. It's got, it's like a flip. It's not the ducktail thing, like on that

Carrera that we tested. It's not like an aftermarket ducktail, but like, if you look at a GT3,

it has the little flip tail on the engine, the mini one, and then the big, you know,

swan neck. So if you take off the swan neck, there's a, you know, like a gap filler kit,

basically, that just sort of like blacks out where the, where the wing would go.

You got a photo? And, and so, we need to the rear, the motherfucking rear, not the touring.

There we go. So there you see, so it has the flip tail engine cover, which does not go up and down,

notably, right? And then you have the, the swan neck wing. So it deletes the wing,

but it leaves, which is a cool look. At first I thought it was like a lightly modded touring.

Yeah.

Turns out other way.

This is a cool way. His method is good. I was behind a car once it was a GT3RS that they'd

taken off the big wing. That looks strange because you still had all the other shark fins,

but this, you basically just make your own little touring design.

I think, I don't know if Seinfeld, Seinfeld certainly publicly did it when he took the

wing off his, his two RS, I think. Yeah, two RS, no wing. But now, for some reason,

Canapa, whenever he gets one, because I get the emails, they always take the wings off and

show them no wing.

Well, Dan, one of our Patreon members said that Canapa is selling a kit that deletes that wing.

Yeah.

So maybe that's partly an ad.

I mean, well, maybe, but he, he was a, he was, they, all the ones they do have no

wing, which I think is a cool look. It's a, it's a, it's a look, but Evan, you know,

because if you got an actual touring, it has a power wing, like a, like a Carrera does, right?

But this one just is a fixed wing like this. So Evan said it like over like 120, it can be a

little like hairy. Oh, that's not good.

It doesn't move. It doesn't go up and down. It's fixed.

Yeah.

So he's like, it's not, you know, it's not great for going really fast. He's like,

but I really like how it looks.

It does look cool. And if you, if you know that you're not going that fast ever, then I guess

it's all right.

Yeah. And he said he can't see with the wing there and he's been dailying this car.

Yeah.

So like, you know, I would like to see, I like seeing every time when I drive cars that have

wings that block my own vision, I am annoyed.

Yeah. That makes it tough.

And aftermarket companies make like different height, like stanchions.

So in a lot of cases, you can raise the wings.

And you don't, you can't really tell.

Sharky makes a kit for the GT4. The GT4 was a real,

Cayman GT4 is a huge offender in the wing blocks your own vision.

So they make a taller upright that's only like a little bit taller.

It's like, you know, two inches taller or something, but it's enough that you can see.

Now you can see. Yeah, that's important.

Yeah. They're, well, let's assume there are no negatives about having that wing two inches higher.

Like I'm not entirely sure how the wing interacts with the lower element.

Sure.

In a way that it might be designed for track use, whatever.

But like it doesn't really look different and it, and you can see.

Seeing is good.

Yeah. I don't know. Sharky, I guess they probably haven't done, I don't want to assume.

On their page, there's nothing that mentions CFD or anything like that.

It just says it raises it to perfect proportions and it's made of aluminum.

I mean, look, I don't, I'm not, I'm making no accusations about this.

I'm not accusing nor supporting. I hope it works well and I hope it just improves

downforce and all that stuff. I'm saying like it would be, it would be cool if you can like,

I don't know, send some sort of, like send the measurements to a company that's going to be

based in wherever and they can run it through like CFD program and just tell you how it works.

After this show, I can ask Tim if using these Riser kits negatively affects your aerodynamics.

Yeah, cool.

I suspect it doesn't.

Well, because the old RSR cars ran really tall wings, like the 70s.

Those things were like taller than the roof of the car.

But they were different shapes.

Sure.

And they, they had a different shape. Like it's, it's not, I'm not the height.

I'm sure like in general tallers better, I don't know, but like I think,

I think how the elements interact with each other is crucially important.

David Tuig, let us know. I know you're listening.

There's, I mean, yeah, I'm like, I think, see, I need to just be smart enough to have that kind

of consideration. I don't need to be smart enough to do the math on the other end.

Yeah, I agree.

That's where we need to be in life, right?

Moral compass. And then we let the engineers spin it up, right?

Let the experts decide.

As long as they've actually gone to school for something.

But after like, after about 200 miles, pink car, very happy.

Now pink car, very happy.

But dude, you know what I did? We did.

I connected for the first time, not like in humanity and for me, I connected,

I did one drive where I connected the north loop to the center loop.

Where like, which I started at the south end of San Francisco Canyon Road,

local knowledge incoming, pull up a map just in case.

San Francisco Canyon Road, we went north all the way to the end, came back around Spunky Canyon

to Bouquet Canyon and then went across Soledad Canyon to the east.

Okay, so look a little further south of that. So we went on both sides of the 14 highway.

So we started there, San Francisco, kind of ran the entire run of that north to the reservoir

on the right. Then we did Spunky Canyon. Yeah, we drove into the town of Green Valley,

which is there, Spunky Canyon, and then came back south on Bouquet Canyon,

which is that long, windy bit there. Okay, we crossed over on Vasquez Canyon,

which is going east there. We then went north to Sleepy Valley on Sierra Highway and came down

across to Acton and then, oh no, sorry, sorry, we went south to Agua Dulce and ran along the road

that's the south side of the 14. Like that, Agua Dulce Canyon Road all the way down along there

to the east and then came back up Soledad Canyon Road, excellent road. Nice. And then came back

up Angeles Forest from the north. Oh, over here. Yeah. And then we went all the way to there and

came down. Wow. What time did you start this morning? So we met at the beginning. We was 730

and we were down at the base of Angeles Crest at 9.55. Wow, that's good time considering he

doesn't have a wing. Yeah. No, we're not going crazy pace, but when you take, when you go,

when you do the loop that I did in the exact order I did it, you're going opposite commuter

traffic the entire way. Oh, perfect. So we were having that kind of good time where there's like

so many cars on the road going the other way and just nobody going our way. It was nice.

Quite lovely. The real question is, did you bring this person to our Denny's? We did not

have a meal. We did not have a meal. We had coffee. We did not have a meal. He's, you know,

America. That's his rule on pasta. He doesn't eat pasta. Does he eat it at his place?

I think he probably has to at a very minimum, but like he, but no. Is that just because it's

so terrible here compared or it's like a diet thing? Probably just eat too much pasta. Oh,

okay. Oh, okay. But also maybe that's a good rule. I'm sure there's somewhere in America,

but yeah, it's a good, I think it is a good rule. I think it's a good rule. That's like,

we don't drive like shitty, like I don't drive shitty cars. Like why would I, like why would I

drive, you know, I don't want to use a specific example, but like, why would I drive that like

terrible little two liter crossover? Like, yeah. Yeah. And you can drive fun things. My dad would

not eat pork unless he was skiing and it was just a way for him to not eat that. Unless he was

skiing. Yeah. So it was like, those are two really unrelated. They are, but it was just a way for

him to like avoid eating this certain food. Yeah. Most of the year. Yeah. Don't eat pasta when

you're in the United States. I should clarify if it's because no US pasta meets his standard,

or if it's just like his method of not only pork while skiing. Yeah. I don't have one of those.

My nutritionist, and I've slipped a bit on it, unfortunately, and I haven't really suffered

for it, which is funny. But if you're going to have the bad thing, you know, it's only have the

best, best version of the bad thing. During the holidays, I slipped when it came to like

baked goods because of course, of course, you're going to have like a little bit of grocery store

pie. Well, someone sent Sarah, I think her work did like eight cookies from this amazing bakery

that's located in a different state. They were incredible. So we ate like one every two days.

They were like levain, but they're like six pound cookies. Yeah. So that was that was eating the

terrible thing, but the best version of it. That's nice. But in the holidays, I didn't do that.

In the holidays, I also ate the like, not the worst. I didn't eat the good, like the garbage,

garbage. No, but it was like, there's usually, I was really usually good about the best. This time,

I banged the sevens. Sevens are pretty good. Sevens are passing grade. I mean, if you, yeah,

if you're, yeah, it is, but not in terms of, not in terms of my nutrition. Well, it's tough

is someone for me, like if someone makes it from scratch and it's a good cookie, like that's

amazing, but it's game over. It's like, I guess chips ahoy is the resin hit. You know, that's

something like that. Chips ahoy. It tastes like cardboard. Talk about an easily avoidable snack.

Right. That's what I'm saying. Like that's the Delta is like, there's the fancy cookies and

then there's the worst. I'll go the fucking rest of my life having zero chips ahoy and feel like,

all right, about that. You know what I wish I could do? I wish there was a package of Oreos

that you could get that had one of every type of Oreo in it. Just one of each one.

So you could try the whole thing. Like one of those fancy boxes of cookies,

but it's all the Oreos. Fucking patent that. They should do that. They should really do that.

They should really do that. On the holidays, Advent Oreo calendar. Do you know how often I am

in the grocery store? Walking down the fucking aisle and I see there's some new crazy ass Oreo

and I go, I, my choice is to buy a pack of 64 of these and you know, throw 63 away. I need a little

like Oreo app sampler would be amazing. Wouldn't it? Do they have it already? They probably have it

already. It's not like I've been searching for this kind of shit, but they kind of do. Really?

Well, it's, I mean, I said to advent calendar. It is an advent calendar. Yeah.

By Milka. What is that? Milka. I don't know. This is only available. I must have for all.

I don't know. It has the most popular biscuits of the Oreo chocolate variations from the Milka range.

Oh, okay. What does that mean? Oh, yeah. It seems like a Swedish version. All right. I think we're

in the right direction, but that's not the right thing. The one I want is just production level

Oreos. One of each type. That would be amazing. Be cool as fuck. Anyway, cars. They put the

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So performance car of the years up. The photos look really nice. Of course, Greg Pejo killing it.

And Huck was there. Armin was there. Love it. Good shooters. Look, that's a great shot.

A lot of light painting happening in that one. Armin did so much light painting

for this shot. Armin shot these? I didn't know that. No, no, no. Greg Pejo shot this, but Armin

physically painted light. He's running around with the lights. Yeah, it's very cool. And if you

have questions, if you're on the live stream or whatever, we can definitely do questions about it.

I guess they revealed the fucking winner, right? Obviously.

Yeah, yeah, right. The winner. Yes, so the ZR1 is the winner.

Shocking, not shocking maybe, you know? The ZR1 is just fucking nuts. It's insane.

Yeah, it's insane. And we saw it's a good timing because ZR1X just posted an eight second quarter

mile, which is really wild. I'm a little less excited about the ZR1X than I am about the regular

ZR1, not because I'm a downer on hybridization at all, but because I just know that GM's focus

when it comes to hybridization and Corvettes is really drag racing and getting off the line.

Like, that's kind of what the E-Rays for. You know, the E-Ray and the Z06 are really

almost the same price. They overlap by quite a bit. And like, they were straight up. Like,

the E-Ray is for drag racing and road tripping and the Z06 is for this. And same thing with

ZR1 and ZR1X. In my opinion, this is not driving it yet, but the fucking thing did an eight second.

I think it's optimized maybe for that. Well, the winner lines more with the style of driving you

like to do. Yes. You know, we don't have many or any drag strips here anymore, right? Pomona's

gone. We don't drag race the few strips and we don't really road trip in the winter. I mean,

look, a car that can run an eight, that's such a fast car. That's like, that's rematch like numbers.

Like with, you know, what is claimed to be, you know, half the horsepower or no, two thirds,

the horsepower of what a Navara has. But it's also, I mean, the Navara is electricity,

just electricity. And we all know that that is like the, well, it seemed like for a long time,

last 15 years, the way to get down a road quickest is electricity. It's instant power,

basically the speed of light. And now you have this cool, I think what's impressive about this is

the handoff that's happening from the electric motors to the gas powered engine and just maintaining

in that kind of pace. That's incredible. Yeah. Well, at least in the e-ray, and as far as I know,

the ZR1X system operates essentially the same as the e-rays. It's upgraded, but

it's really just like getting you through that initial either bog or turbo lag or burnout.

You know what I mean? It's just making you go forward at a time when a traditional,

the gas engine couldn't do it. It's the feat for the bobsled team, right? It kind of gets you out

of the hole and gravity takes you. Yeah. It really, it gives you that initial bite really,

really well and with excellent traction management at the front. So according to GM, it was a prep

surface. It ran an 8.675 at 159. It was on pump gas, standard equipment, tires. The 060 time was

1.68 on that same run. That's nuts. That is so crazy. 1.75 Gs of acceleration force off the line.

That's what tires was it? Did they say what tires? Standard equipment tires. Wow. I mean,

they're going to sell this thing with this. It was on PS4s, PS4s tires. No way. It says GM's

official news page. PS4s tires? Car was equipped with standard aero, standard Michelin PS4s tires,

and the available carbon fiber wheels. Wow. Dude, that's got to be the fastest quarter mile

ever run on PS4s. And it did. That's nuts. So here it has some numbers. So the RIMAC,

Nivera R, ran a quarter in 7.9 seconds at 186. I was going to say about the Nivera.

27 miles per hour faster. The top pen was higher and it is. That, I mean,

it's almost a full second faster and it's also 27 miles per hour higher top speed.

But the 0 to 60 time. 27 miles. Dude, the 0 to 60 time between the 0, 1,

X, and the Nivera R is only two one hundreds of a second difference. That's pretty wild.

So that 0 to 6, that short thing, like you're pretty cool.

You know, they used to say in like the, you know, the 20s and shit, if you went faster

at a certain speed, you know, your feet die or whatever. If you open your mouth and the windows

open. But like, and, and I guess like everyone always says, oh, this is as fast as you can go.

Or this is like, but when you're getting to numbers that start with a 1,

you really are getting to as fast as a thing can go. Like there, there's almost nothing

that accelerates fast. Forget like cars, like outside of like bullets, like what the fuck

else goes from 0 to 60 miles an hour that fast. Like even those magnetic roller coasters don't do that.

Ooh, that's a good question. Like the superman ride that goes really fast, like airplane. I guess

like, you need like the hydraulic ram of a fucking aircraft carrier to beat that. So the

superman, the superman ride, the Superman escape, which is like a magnetic powered thing. And it

was super famous. What 20 years ago, it was like, Oh my God, this is, I did it. It was sick. It does

zero to 100 in seven seconds. It does zero to 62 miles per hour in two seconds. So this beats

that. Yeah. Yeah. I think as a vehicle, there's nothing that accelerates. I mean, like cars do,

right? Even motorcycles, because they don't have the grip. Yeah, no, I mean, other than, other

than like dedicated drag racing things, like, you know, it's only, you know, but for a,

let's see, like, and I'm probably, I probably have an enormous blind spot here somewhere. I'm

going to find out what, but like, I don't know of anything that a person could experience that

goes from zero to whatever that sky, skydiving, maybe, maybe that's just gravity, right? Gravity,

you fall at one G. This is 1.6 something G. Oh, I was just, I was thinking the acceleration from,

from zero standing on the plane to when you reach, you know, 60 when you're falling, but no,

but you're accelerating faster in the car. Maybe. You are. Cause it said it pulls one

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to the show. I'm just curious how quickly you get from not the G's like the actual time and for

context BMW S1000RR does 0 to 60 in 2.6 to 3.2 sluggish. And if you look, I mean GM is of course

being cheeky but accurate. They're like the price of everything that even comes close or does beat

this ZR1X, most of the cars cost 10 times to 20 times as much unless it's a lucid air sapphire.

I mean the sapphire honestly, that's the drag race I want to see. I want to see a sapphire

because you, I mean look, you and I did a quarter mile in a sapphire and like holy

fucking shit. Yeah. That's a serious, serious, serious drag racing vehicle. I wonder how much

time each vehicle needs to like prep the battery. Like when you drove the E-Rate at the launch,

was there time to set it into launch mode? Nothing. If you ran back to back, you know,

if you're in back to back runs, do you think there's like a cooling or a battery prep period?

Well, the battery is small. Yep. So it doesn't like last very long. So if you're putting it in

like drag racing mode, I think you need to either drive it for a couple of miles or idle it a bit

because it'll do a fast idle to charge it for like a little bit. That would be a great experiment

because the ZR1X would have to like, you know, go and drive into town and back to charge the battery

and the Lucid might have to like cool or prep the battery between runs. So which one

could get like three zero to 60 runs done quicker? You know, it might be able to,

the ZR1X, I wouldn't be surprised if you, if between the braking, the regen braking

from braking from 160 to 30, right? At the end of the drag strip, you got to break pretty hard in

this car, right? So like, I bet you that much regen and then the drive back to the paddock

gets you almost all the way back to the full battery. Erase recharge really fast. Like when I

would do, when we did like, you do two or three laps around the track in the array and the battery

would be mostly depleted and you'd put it into charge and you would do one lap slow and it would

be charged. So it was pretty good. Revolto two, Temerario two, they would recharge because they're

small, they would recharge pretty fast. Yeah. But like that's so fucking fast. That's really cool.

Yeah. So the non X, the non hybrid ZR1 is the road and track performance car. It's essentially like

the, you know, the, the ZR1 is like legit like a 750 McLaren, but with more traction.

Like I like the 750 because you can have a, it's like riding a bull. Like that's a good time for

me. Like that's too much for some people and like that's okay. This is that kind of speed,

but it isn't like that. It actually has like track, it turns horsepower into forward motion.

The rear tire is that much wider? GM's performance. GM's PTM is better. I just think it's better.

Wow. Yeah. I mean, McLaren's is, is, is good. Like you can do it. You can, you can do a whole

track day in a McLaren and knock you a wheel speed, but if it will spin, but if you, if you

turn everything off, this, the ZR1 had stickier tires for sure. McLaren uses regular ass tires.

The ZR1's tires are also wider. Oh yeah. The ZR1 uses 315s. The 750 uses 305s.

Yeah. And they're, and there are compounds on the, on the ZR1 and they're regular like P zeroes,

I think on the McLaren. So like, but the vibe of the two cars, like how they deliver just explosive

power and it feels like a cheat code to life, to drive one of those things.

I mean, I can't, I cannot wait. I remember saying, when these things depreciate to a hundred thousand

bucks, I am so in, I will, I'm absolutely going to buy one of these when they're a hundred grand.

Well, it's, it's buying your own amusement park ride. That is so fast. They are nuts.

They're so fast. And the Temerario is incredibly special. It's really cool. I, it's so fun.

It's so balanced. It has the magical steering. It revs to 10,000. It doesn't sound amazing

outside the car, but it sounds amazing inside the car. It just has much better intake noise

than exhaust noise because of the turbos. The ride's incredible. The steering's incredible.

And it's really roomy, like roomy inside, which is so, and you have side visibility,

but you never had in a Huracan or a Gallardo. It's all the like, all the goodies from Revuelto,

but like smaller and it was rad. The, what other cars do we have here? M5 Touring, you know,

it's, that's me sliding it, which is a nice photo, but it's never, I never loved it.

RS3 we talked about because I spent like 2,000 miles driving that car. I drove it all the way

up there and then I drove it all the way back. I drove it on the road and track rally on the way.

It was like, I lived out of that RS3 for like a month. May I never see an RS3 again? I have enough

RS3 miles, but that car really takes it, takes a shit kicking. If you want to, if you want like,

like, because the GT, we had the five door GTI or Golf R as well, but like the Golf R

is really fun right up until you try to drive past the traction control, you like try to try to go

full off and it doesn't like it as much. The RS3 is happier to do that kind of stuff, but the Golf R

has amazing seats. It's really like, if you want a road trip, a hot hatch, like that's the

shit. And the fabric they used on it is really nice, like the shape of it, all of it. It's not just

like the stuffing. Yeah. Man. The AMG GT Pro, if you are the kind of person whose goal is to

go fast and maintain traction, which is most people, right? Most people, even in a track day,

are not trying to slide around. They're trying to have grip. If that's how you want to drive,

you know, in a way that your car will really help you maintain a good line, be clean and be very

fast, that AMG GT is pretty good. It points really good, great brakes, really fast, and it's perfect

right up until you try and do stupid shit with it. And then it gets very mad and unhappy. What does

it do? Like if you turn traction off with that, you know, yellow knob, if you turn traction control

off, it will let you get two degrees or three degrees of yaw and then start killing stuff.

And it'll get confused. Wow. Yeah. It just is not happy. It's so funny. It's such a journalist

problem for the most part, but like the simple knowing the science of killing traction control

for the sake of either video or fun or pictures is like in itself a skill. Well, we just, yeah,

the last two days, and we don't talk about it because for the magazine, I did the dyno tasting

story where I put the same car on four different dinos. And so the nuances of how cars behave on

the dyno are even weirder than this kind of stuff. Yeah. The Mini, yeah, the Mini Cooper,

we can just, that's just a just don't buy one of those. That's not, that's not good. That's not

good. That one's that it made the golf bar feel like a fucking McLaren. Honestly, it was not good.

Yeah, they feel like somehow you've put a civic SI with a suburbant. That's what

pops like it's just heavy and everything's up front and now they're big. It's very, very strange.

And what are there? Are there any cars on there that I did not mention? Go back up. Sorry,

would we go all those GTD GTD? I talked about GTD a lot. The GTD is one of those cars that it's,

it's just it if you love Fords and if you love Mustangs and if you want the greatest Mustang

ever, like that's it. It's, it's not competitive with other cars that are like $400,000, but it also

like for the people buying that shit, it doesn't really matter. Like it's fucking, they're crazy.

Outside of a group comparison test, it's, it's in, you know, no one would ever get into a GTD

and be like, this isn't awesome. Like it's, it is awesome. Even if it's like marginally not as good

as a ZR water, whatever. It sounds like fucking a NASCAR race all the time. It looks like a touring

car racing car. I mean, oh my God, there's so much presence to that thing. Yeah. And they actually,

like they ride pretty good on the street. Like you, you can sort of use them as cars.

They have no trunk, but at least you can fold the seats forward and put, yeah. And there's a whole

big shelf behind the seats. So like you can put stuff in it, unlike a GT3 RS. It's just, you know,

in the, in the world of $400,000 cars, like pretty stiff competition. Well, especially when you have

ZR1, which costs not half, but like significantly less. Yeah, 222 out the door. Yeah. That's wild.

I mean, that is, that is a lot of money for me, but that is an amazing bargain. And to be fair,

that's expensive. I mean, but I called it a $400,000 car and it's not fair to call that. Oh,

yeah, sure. When I'm actually going to be very specific about the other one. Right. That's fair.

Also, ZR1s, the roof comes off. And that's just a nice thing. Even if you don't care,

even if you don't care, you, if you buy one one day, you might be like,

you know, it's a really nice day and the roof comes off. And I was going to vote, I was going to vote

for Tamarario is my number one. Until the very end of the last day, when we had a beautiful

sunset and I had like 20 minutes of nothing to do, and I grabbed the ZR1, I took the roof off,

and I went for a rip with the top 10. I was like, oh my God. I was like, you're telling me

this is a, this is, this is what $200,000 gets you in America, 220 in America right now. Like,

this is what we're talking about. And like, they're going to make five too many of them.

So they're going to depreciate like fucking crazy in a couple of years. Like,

this is the shit. Like that, this is exactly what's up. Cause like it's, because Lamborghini's

smart, right? They're going to make one less than people want. You know what I mean? They're,

stuff like with the sports cars, they can always make one less than people want,

even with Rivalto's and all that shit, right? Like GTD, one less than people want all of these

cars, GT three, absolutely one less than people. Core GM will never and has never learned this,

right? They make as much money as they can. Sure. As many as you can sell and then a few more.

I mean, Porsche kind of does that too. Like they have some limited things. They just do

a slow rollout. Sure. So Porsche has like, it seems like it's limited. It's limited in,

in how many you can access it once. That's true. That's true. But I think it works in their favor.

And I mean, this is just what I see is the more of the really good cars that are out there,

even when they depreciate, it exposes people to that brand and the cars are still good.

And then you have more fans of the brand. So when the new thing comes out,

there's more fervor around it. Sure. But man, when these fucking things get to be a hundo.

Usio 6 is now, we have two or three friends and they've had really nice stuff and now they've

got these things. I mean, it just seems like it makes a lot of sense. I got two years, excuse me,

two years later, they're a hundred grand. That's wild. Yeah. And to go back to the roof off thing,

usually the faster and more extreme a car gets and the zero one is both of those things.

You have a lot more compromise, right? You GTD, you lose the trunk, GT3 RS, you lose the front.

It's just like, okay, you want to go faster, faster. We have to remove these features because

we need the system to accommodate that speed. Zero ones like roof comes off. It still has

the same trunk in the back, two golf clubs. It does have the same trunk in the back. Yes,

although with the wing there, it becomes an interesting negotiation for certain items

to get in there. Well, if you put a loaf of bread in there, it's sliced when you take it on.

No, but you can carry things. You can carry things. Yeah. So the whole big story with

lap times and very pretty photos and all that other stuff is up at rodentrack.com.

There's also the video that we made actually. It's probably the best one we've ever done.

There is a pretty good video that I host. It's fully produced. There's interviews with a lot of

people as well as a lot of good action. Oh, Andy Hendrick was there with Mark. Cool. Yeah.

And there's also a lot of like sub stories that people have written about that kind of thing.

Nice. So what a thing. Yeah, we should get one here. Yes. Yeah, we should. The only thing about

the ZR1 is that it's not awesome, is that it is quieter than the Z06 because it's turbo obviously,

particularly with the top down. And also that the extra horsepower versus the Z06

doesn't actually come into play very much below 70 or 80 miles an hour, obviously. So

for most drivers, the Z06 is actually the kind of the one you want. It sounds a little better,

and it's really fucking fast. And they're very similar cars outside of that. One is just the

turbo, but 1,000 horsepower. I imagine these are selling very well in like Texas 2000,

like the 2K stuff. Like these will be everywhere. And then when people start putting

bigger turbos on them and running 2,000 horsepower ZR1s at the drag strip, that's going to be nuts.

Yeah, can't wait for them to be a Hondo. That's gonna be fucking sweet. What a rad thing. Yeah.

It really does. I mean, in a lot of ways, it felt very, you know, McLaren-y for a car that

is not a carbon tub. It's quite a bit heavier than the McLaren, but it steers in a, it doesn't

have the feel, the hydraulic, but it does, it's as direct. The gearbox actually feels very similar

to what McLaren's gearbox feels like. The power delivery is very similar. There's even more of

it because you have a little more displacement, but man, tons of grip, tons of grip, but fucking.

Did they put any slidey shots in there? I did a bunch of, I did a bunch of that and I hope they

used some of it. That would have been, that would have been awfully nice. Nope. Now it's all just

details, no. That? That maybe. Yeah, there's a couple. That's nice. That's a good one, Mark.

Nicely done. Didn't get very, these tires don't get that smoky. Well, super sticky and humongous

tires. I'm sure you were, like the slide probably was over so quickly because it just grips up and

starts sending you forward. Yeah, the, they just like, just these, no, you, yes, it kind of does

hook up pretty good. You can't do a really long one, but it's fucking, you can. You kind of can though.

You need that third gear shit. The third, fourth gear. Yeah. I don't have the balls for that kind

of stuff. It's too important when there's like 12 other people that need to drive the cars for

like four more days and like the wheels are carbon. So if you have like an off, you're probably

going to like fuck one up. I don't want to crack. No, you do not want to sideline the car on a

production of that size. It's, it ruins everything. Yeah. The, they don't get, they don't get that

smoky though. The M5's tires got very, very smoky. That's, that's the smokiest one.

That's a good time. I love, I love a performance cars of the year. Were there, she want to like,

let's go, should we go to questions about that and then come back to something else?

Sure. Were there, were there direct questions about Peacody?

Well, I, let's see. I saw one about, wow, this is running really slow.

We talked about that. Maybe this was a bad idea to do on the fly. I think we,

let's see. Well, LL Coolbee, that's a great name. What was your favorite memory of this year's Peacody?

My favorite memory. Oh.

Zero one top down.

Yeah. I mean that drive, that drive on the, in the sunset with the ZR1 with the roof down was

pretty, pretty special. That was, that was a good one.

Getting to drive the Temarario and the rain was pretty fun. That was a pretty good, pretty good

weather car actually. I really, I really enjoyed that. I probably won't ever get to do that again.

Pretty unique circumstance.

Let's see.

I don't know. I think, I think that drive in the ZR1 really is it. I'm sorry if they,

if I don't have a new, a new other one, but how did I rank the cars? I only, we only rank our top

three. Oh. Yeah. So they don't ask us to, to rank all the way down. So what if everyone ranks the

same top three? There's like 10 cars there, right? Yeah. So the bottom seven, how would they, how

would they shuffle those into order, just based on lap time? I don't know if they,

I don't know if they do. I don't, did they, did they rank them all in that order, all the way in

order? I don't know. I guess they, I don't know if they did. Oh, you're right. They're not really

ranked. They didn't ask us to do that. They said, just give us your top three. Oh, okay. Yeah.

So my, I mean, my top three were the, the ZR1, the, the Temerario and the, and the GT3, which

shocking, I mean, but, but also like, I mean, those are all very, very expensive cars, but the,

the Golf R was pretty sweet as well. I think you, you're still, you're right in the money now with

the Golf R. I mean, talking to you makes me want to buy a used RS3 with a warranty for like two

years. Yeah. What a great thing. Good everyday car. Yeah. Good at, good at doing all kinds of

different stuff. A little more fun in the canyons than Golf R. Oh yeah. And like very, very fast.

Yeah. Better HVAC. Well, better like controls, right? Oh yeah. And it sounds, you know, it sounds

cool. It's, it's fucking credit as fuck and big trunk. Like that's a very practical car. Yep.

The RS3. We drove the new S3 together and it's basically the same. Yeah. Same car. Yeah. It's,

even the new S3 is great. Well, you, I need your help in identifying a car. Oh boy. My wife filmed

this on the, on the road. And you mean, is it a Wrangler with no fenders? I'm not. Because that's

what it looks like. It's a, it's a couple of things. Really? Okay. Let's see him play this video.

You shouldn't film while driving. Oh. Okay. So this is, it's, it's a four door Wrangler with no

fenders. It's pink on one side and what color, what color is the other side? And then it just

like it says Kia just in tape, maybe? In huge font. Huge letters. The size of like a monster

energy can in terms of the height. And then some kind of camper top. We got a second angle here.

Like it has one of those like angled. Well, it's funny. It's got this cam back, but it's covered

like a cyber truck. So this person can't see out of the back of their car anymore. Very interesting.

But look at the, can I punch in? The buttress here. Yeah. Look at the butt. So in the cam back,

it has a weird like buttress in it. Oh, this is like kind of funky. My favorite. So the reason I

show this because it's not just like, like it's a Wrangler with weird fenders, but then I zoomed in

and I realized that these fenders are not, this is not a straight line. Like this is like a handmade

wide body. Yeah. And then up here, they added buttresses to the front fender. So for people

listening, there's imagine a triangle is reaching out from the front door hinge to the fender,

like for extra support. That's a very good description of that. And then it like matches.

So I don't know if it's an art car or a SEMA car or they're just trolling the world with this huge

Kia badge on the back. Yeah. I mean, it's really strange, but, but I mean, it's clearly someone's

full on concept. But you know, it's funny. It's definitely a Wrangler obviously,

because if you look at the exposed hinges, but what, what jumps out is that they left the stock

bumper on. Yeah. It also has a temporary license plate on it. So we just bought this. Yeah. Like

why change literally every part of the body to, you know, be entered into an art competition,

but leave this stock black bumper with the reflectors? Well, if there, it looks like there's a

camera right underneath the eye and Kia. So maybe that's their rear view mirror. And then what's

this little thing? That's probably, I mean, you, you would put a camera there. That's where a camera

might be. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's unquestionably stupid looking for sure. I mean, it's, that's

pretty, pretty bad. I'm a sort of a live and let live kind of guy. That's, that's hideously ugly.

And also looks very cheaply done. Yeah. That's, that's, that's the funniest thing about defenders

to me. Like they put a lot of work, but they didn't have a lot of time. It looks, it's like high

school pimp my ride shit. Yeah. Yeah. Very much like my nephew, you know, is young. He's like,

you know, he just, just turned 16. He got his first car. It's a Honda fit. Nice. You know,

and he's talking about, and, and as a, you know, as a, a budget constrained 16 year old does,

he's finding ways he can modify his car that he can afford. Of course. You know, so it's like

seat covers making some fog lights fit. And like he got, he actually, to his credit, got the JDM

arm rest, you know, cause his car's a no arm rest. Did, did Sarah's fit have an arm rest? No,

it did not. Well, the JDM one, the jazz does. So he got the jazz arm rest. You know how important

that is? That was one of the big problems of that car. So he's asking me about other things,

you know, what should he get for his car? There's a couple of things where I'm, I'm like, look,

let me let my embarrassing failures help guide you here. So I was like, here's a list of things

you cannot modify on your car unless you're going to spend real money, you know, to do it the right

way. Can I show you the opposite of what you have told me? Yes, absolutely. The opposite of what I've

told him. Look at this. Whoa. Is that a Hyundai? Is that an Elantra? Uh, yeah.

This is like a few blocks from my house. It's okay. So it's an Elantra with a Ferrari badge on it,

uh, a splitter, like a big, like, looks like a racing splitter and a lower grille with a,

a Ferrari horse on it that actually looks kind of Ferrari like a lower grille. Looks like it could

be off of California or something. Doesn't it? It does. Or a Portofino. There's more, but wait,

Matt, there's more, but then there's a tricolore, a stripe black, it's a red car with a silver and

black stripe down the center. Okay. But wait, there's more. Let's go. Oh boy. Okay. All right. So

the Hyundai badge has been replaced by another Cavalino and then it says in a real auto zone

font, block letters, GTO. So this is like a 599 GTO. Oh, and then it has the Ferrari badge,

like the, the, the rear deck lid, the written badge at the base of the rear windshield. Yeah. Epic.

Really? The commitment to this. And we've got carbon trim on the trunk. Wait, there's two more

photos in the series. There are. Keep going. Uh, this is just a wider shot of the back,

but the real magic, I noticed the wheels. I noticed

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. Oh my God. Wow. Okay, wait, first off, can I point something out?

If he, does he, do you think this person has real drilled and slotted brake rotors?

Uh, yeah. I can, I can't, there we go. Look, these are, these are actually, these are actually

real drill. These are not covers. Wait, are the, but those aren't the real brake calipers.

I don't know. That's got to be a caliper.

Might be a caliper cover, which is yellow and says Ferrari on it. It does, but then it has

the, the fucking sixties knockoff spinner with, with the wire and it's facing the right direction.

When I walked up to this car, I just stopped. I was walking with Sarah and I go, whoa.

And I walk around and I just keep taking pictures and she says,

I've never seen you so excited about a car and the safety. Like this person, yes,

this is a kind of silly idea, waste of money, but the commitment and the detail is actually

impressive. The tack, I don't know a picture of it. The tack is painted yellow. Exactly.

Exactly. Is it? Okay. All right. The, the problem I see here,

there's no, what problem could you possibly see? Is that I, what I don't understand.

Okay. Well, I don't understand the commitment to this, to the bit with the spinner and the safety

wire. I, and I think this is a real attention to detail. And the fact that he probably thought,

of course it's a he thought that, thought that, well, I'm going to put this spinner and this wire

in here and that's going to draw a lot of attention to my wheel. So I better put cool

looking brakes. So people just don't go, oh, what a loser. And so actually he has like nice

looking brake hardware and what looks like it, but, but I think maybe it's fake, but that same person

has the work, couldn't find the right font for the GTO badge.

Like it, it looks like they bought almost a real Ferrari badge and like they have real

Cavalino badges and stuff, or at least real-ish. And then they had that horrible.

It's like block font in caps. Yeah.

It's not the body. No, it's not. I don't think it is. Is it the, it's not from like the 70s,

right? No, I think it would be, it's not even from the new one. No, the new one is more like

curvier. It's thinner and curvier. Yeah. Yeah. That's a weird font choice. Yeah. It's a bad

font choice out because actually the rest of it, you know, is sort of like a for effort.

No, you're right. I feel like they ordered, they ordered like a letter kit on Amazon.

Yeah. He came with every letter in the alphabet and that's what they had. I also forgot that

they, he kind of like, they painted the wheels so that the spokes look gold and the outsides are

silver. So it's supposed to look like a three piece. That's fucking awesome. I mean, the lines,

like they taped it, you know, they taped this off. It wraps around the entire spoke.

Bro, 60 at 60. At 60 miles an hour, I bet the effect of the spinner with that color,

I bet it's like almost bleep. It looks pretty good. I bet it almost looks, it almost looks like a

lip probably. This is so wild. That's pretty amazing, dude. Did you just stand around waiting

for this guy to come back? No. Oh, that's what I'm doing. I don't have time for that, but I,

I walked around it for a good three minutes and just kept saying, wow,

and just taking more and more pictures because you're telling me this person's Instagram handle

was not on their car. It was not. That's crazy. That means they're a classy person. This was the

most unbelievable onion, man. I just kept peeling layers and just going, oh my God. This is the

classiest trash build ever. It really was. And they had like a Ferrari steering wheel cover on it.

Do you think this started with, hey man, do you think my lower grille looks like a Ferrari

Portofino's? I don't know. Let's take that to its logical conclusion. I wonder if this is someone

that works like at a body shop. So they have access to tape, paint, stuff like that. And

either they practiced on their car and they knew it would also be a goof. Like they must be

intentionally trolling while also refining their craftsmanship. Sure. It's a practice beater.

It's a practice beater. And I can't knock that. And the commitment to the bit

isn't, now that's, that's okay. If this is someone who's aspiring to own a Ferrari,

this is not the way you spend your funds to get there. That's no bueno. And this would not be the

way to do it. Yeah. Every dollar spent on this is a dollar that's no longer in the bank to buy

a real one is never coming back. Yeah. I would love to take this car and drive it across an entire

state off-road. Oh, that'd be fun. You can be shoveling dirt everywhere. I got, I got seven

Hyundai for this car. I'll drive it across the entire state of Oregon on dirt. Yeah. This was,

it was quite a discovery. That's amazing. Where'd you find that? Three blocks from my house near

the IMAX thing. Oh my God. You found that in your neighborhood? Yeah. Wow. I was walking to the dog

park. Bro. That's amazing. This was parked in front of very expensive building like the townhouses

that I can't even come close to affording. So. Wow. That's pretty awesome. Yeah. I thought you

were going to tell me you were out by the shooting range or something like way out in the middle.

Several blocks away from here. Right here. Wow. Amazing. Fantastic. Okay. Should we talk about

DBX or should we, should we save that, huh? We could save it. We're at 52 minutes. Yeah.

We could stream. Yeah. We could do another show before we leave. We do. Yeah. Before I go drive

a thousand miles in a lucid gravitate. Yeah. I just found out it's got plug-in charge on EA and

Tesla superchargers. So I don't even have to download the Tesla app or anything. Oh, nice.

Yeah. This is going to be, this is going to be an interesting one. If, yeah. I've confirmed with my

hotels that they have two to four electric chargers. There's a note in my file that I really

will need one overnight. The only dice roll is Zion National Park. That's the only one. Because if

that one is, if it's unavailable or I can't use it, I'm going to have to somehow find another one,

a slow one at another hotel that I'm not staying at to use it. There is no fast charger there.

So like I have to find a slow charger, whether it's at my own, but like the hotel I'm staying at

is not the same one that we stayed at last time. It's another one, but they have four

EV chargers there. And that was like, is this going to be a problem? I have to use it. And she's

it's midweek. It's very slow season. I'm putting it in your file. They definitely work. People have

been using it. Nice. That town was quiet when we were there. And it's still winter. It's more

winter. Yeah. I'm not going to do the hike though, I don't think. That's fine. I got to drive a lot

that day. Yeah. I have to drive from Zion to Sedona, which is like 285 miles of like

back roads. I mean, it's like mostly desert back road, but it's also colder in Zion right now.

It's like 30 degrees at night. 50 is the high. So yeah, the time we hike, it'll be like 38.

30. That's, that's cold. I don't, I don't really want to do that. I don't want to stand on a cliff

when it's 38 degrees and you're freezing and your hands don't work that well. I mean, imagine the

level, imagine the level of stiffness I would have after doing that hike in the cold and then

immediately getting in the car and driving 280 miles of windy roads to Sedona. I'd be like,

I'd be so fucked up after that, man. Oh God. Oh, update on the giveaway car. The dates of the

contest have been a little bit abridged, which is actually okay. It's going to run from March

1st until I think like September 8th. So it's not going to be all year. Okay. So

people have been emailing about it. They've been asking on Instagram and whatever. Fine. I'm down

for their enthusiasm. I'm ready to go. We're ready to go, but March. So hold your motherfucking

horses. Cool. Let's go to the people, of course, over at patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast.

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us to choose to read, to refuck Mary kill. Is it the car or two is about the cars though?

I took this to be about the cars. Oh, oh, the last sentence. If you get to the last sentence,

it makes it more about the cars. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Let's see. Allied versus axis powers cars.

All right. So Allied is the US, France and Great Britain and axis is Germany, Germany,

Italy and Japan. I mean, if I had to do Germany, Italy and Japan cars, I'm choosing, I'm choosing

those for cars. I'm choosing those. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Listen, as we're learning in real time,

you know, crimes against humanity are one thing, but good cars can be completely separate. You know,

I don't care about that man's politics. He makes a fine automobile.

That's what I've heard in Florida. I was like, you're Jewish. Oh, you know that, right? Yeah.

Okay. Well, the Sarah Silverman song, Jewish people driving German cars. It's the opposite of

FUBU. Was that from Jesus's magic? I think so. Yeah. I was right. Yeah. The Roger Farah podcast,

looking for a 997 or 991 Carrera S with the advent of the mainstream market

car auction sites and dealers still dominating is the Renlist marketplace still relevant in

today's buying landscape. I have no idea where did people buy cars on the Renlist marketplace?

Is that what people did? Is that where people bought cars? I don't know. I've never used that

even before. I guess all these things came about. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I suppose like,

here's the thing with auction sites, if you're going to have success on an auction site,

like real success, you need to like put in the effort, like really good detailing, really good

videos, really good photos, all that kind of stuff, very complete service records, all that

shit. And it costs money. Whatever, it either costs you time to do all those things or money

to pay the pay people to do those things and then time and everything else. And then you

have to actually pay for the listing. I always tell people, because when we do it for them as

a client, they're like, oh my God, that's expensive. And I go, yeah, well, it's like this many hours

of work, if we do it, and we do it a lot. And if you do it for the first time, it's probably going

to be like 50% more hours than that. They're going to be your hours. So what are you thinking?

You know? But they get very taken aback at the price. And I go, look, do the free shit first.

Take like 10 cell phone pictures, write a thing, go on Craigslist, go on whatever your forum is,

go on Facebook marketplace, and let that shit simmer for like a month. See if you get bites,

you're going to have to get, you're going to get low ballers, you're going to get hagglers,

you know, it's bullshit. But like that's what selling on those things looks like versus at

auction, you have to do a lot more work upfront. But then once it's out there, they're negotiating

up, not down. So not everyone's just coming to your door telling you why your car is a piece of

shit. And why should it be cheaper? Send preludes, that's pretty good. That's a good name. That's

good.

Markets love fancy things and convertibles put together, but convertible pickup truck.

Why?

I mean, of course, the G-Wagon are the Maibach longilets with the rollback tops, the Fiat

Jollies.

I mean, there's all kinds of weird stuff out there.

The 80s had some weird patchbacky kind of things, that Nissan NX200 or Nissan Pulsar,

the Pulsar, which is one of them.

The Pulsar.

That NX200 would look kind of like a Solara.

Yeah.

Christian Larson's been working as a porter at a Porsche dealer, recently drove a 993

for the first time and found it surprisingly insular and refined.

I was expecting it to be more raw and visceral.

What am I missing?

993s are soft.

Yeah.

Compared to all other air-cooled cars.

Yeah.

They get, the older you go, the more raw they get.

Pretty much.

They peak raw at the 73 RS, and then they get a little softer before that.

I think there was a blip, 996 GT3 RS, right at the end, but the 993 was, they hadn't

advanced the NA power all the way, but they had advanced all the sound deadening a lot.

So I think it's kind of like this weird mix of the two.

And it had the new rear suspension that was softer, and it had more literal leather and

all kinds of stuff, and Vario RAM, all these more like tech things, emissions things.

It was the first 911 with modern emissions controls really in it, beyond cats.

So it's, yeah, they're soft.

They're lovely, and compared to brand new cars, they're pretty raw, but they're pretty

soft.

That's why I think why people like them.

They're good for putting miles on.

K cars, looking to upgrade my Boxster, maybe a 718 GTS, but compared to a 981 Spider.

What factors would you consider in the trade?

I mean, I don't, well, the 981 Spider, like the older Spider has like the tent roof.

Like that's not a real commitment.

That's like, even my roof isn't that annoying.

The 718 Spider roof is all right.

The 718 GTS is like almost a perfect car.

I probably would just get that, actually.

If you, 981 Spider is going to be more raw, and you know, the nerds will be like, ooh,

is that the Erty Spider with the tent roof?

But there's almost no situation in which a six-cylinder 981 is better than a six-cylinder

718.

To me, not much.

The only difference is if you must have an exhaust that comes together and makes that

traditional Porsche sound, because 718s have a true dual, and it sounds more rumbly, even

the six-cylinder cars do.

So if you really care about that, you can't make a 718 sound like a GT3.

It's not possible.

My car sounds like World War II aircraft, not like a GT3.

So it's just a different thing.

But if you have money for a 718 GTS, I don't know why you're looking at anything else,

honestly.

Duffel Shuffle Retirement Club.

What business advice would you give to yourself from 10 or 15 years ago, and would younger

you have followed it?

Yeah, delete your Twitter in 2012.

I would just take bolder swings just earlier, because you're going to end up taking them

anyway, so you should just get out of the way.

Yeah.

Huh, that's interesting.

And just start a small investment account early, and dollar cost average in conservative

funds, because time is your friend.

By real estate in New Zealand, 15 years ago?

Don't hire friends.

Yeah.

I mean, you don't really count.

That's true.

We weren't friends before.

Yeah, I mean, I've said that to somebody else recently, and they're like, what about

Zach?

And I was like, Zach, yes, but we didn't meet.

It wasn't like we were friends for 10 years, and then I was like, hey, I'm doing a thing.

Very good point.

Yeah, we met under the context of I was starting the thing, so that's not really the same.

That's true.

But that's a good one.

That's a big one.

Try to really try to avoid working with friends.

That can just get so messy.

I should have learned it the first time.

Queers, shift in gears.

You hear that, Larry Casillo?

He should have learned it the first time.

I don't even know if you're talking about him.

I just wanted to fucking needle him.

Okay, wait, wait, wait.

I painted my lemon's car in a Lisa Frank rainbow leopard print livery.

That's fabulous.

I went to a Lisa Frank party once.

It was so fun.

What's a Lisa Frank party?

I didn't know until the party in Viking.

When I show you, you'll immediately know what it is.

Lisa Frank was like a brand that sold a ton of neon colorful shit to women in the 90s

and early 2000s.

Okay, I definitely know what this is.

That's Lisa Frank.

Cool.

I would love that on a race car.

My friend did an after eight mince race livery.

That's pretty cool.

If you had to avoid picking a well-known existing race car livery, how would you paint a race

car?

Oh, that would be fun.

I would paint a race car.

After eight minutes are delicious.

What's a product that I really love that I wish would just support my race car but

like doesn't actually.

Marijuana.

Just general support for marijuana.

You just paint marijuana.

You could paint a leaf and they'd be like, oh, which dispensary?

And you go, nope, the plant.

No, I support them actually.

They don't support me.

I support them.

That's true.

That would be really funny.

Just a general support for marijuana would be an exceptional race car livery.

I mean, I would love to have cigarettes livery.

I would just, I would have to do camel lights because they were my cigarette of choice.

I think they camel, was there any camel race cars of note?

I mean, I know there was a NASCAR but like.

I'm pretty sure they sponsored Eddie Jordan's car.

Oh, you're right.

Yes, it was.

DHL.

I just found that story.

Was it also the Martin Brundle car, the yellow car that he crashed, wasn't that a yellow

camel car?

It was, right?

I think it was.

Yeah.

But anyway, yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

Sorry.

We'll sponsor some racing.

I wouldn't do yellow.

My car would look like a pack of camel lights, like a gentleman.

You know, you got to get a G body or something that is shaped like a rectangle and then paint

it exactly like a pack from top to down.

That would be pretty funny.

You know, it'd be a fun one would be new ports.

If you were, if you had a race car that was like a new port, cigarettes, livery, have

they done, did they do any racing?

Was there a new port motor sports?

Is there, oh, Indy car.

Yeah.

Here we go.

89 new port Indy car.

We've gotten cigarette sponsors.

Bro, did it ever, oh, look at that.

Dude, does it get any cooler?

What's cooler than cool?

A new port Indy car.

That looks great.

I would do that.

My race car would be straight new ports.

All right.

I would have menthol injection.

That is very good.

Nitro menthol injection.

Menthol injected.

Yeah, that's a great sticker to put on it.

Yeah.

Six speed masterclass.

Have you seen the Rhine motors cars that they just unveiled?

It's a formula style street legal car being sold as a three wheeler to evade regulations

and comes back with a four wheel conversion.

Comes with a fourth wheel.

Oh my God, dude, fourth wheel, not included.

That's crazy.

It comes as a three wheeler and then you convert it yourself to four wheels.

Wow.

One of their Instagram posts is literally just called how it's street legal.

Oh, I don't want to read.

That's got to be an intent to defraud, doesn't it?

I mean, I don't like I don't want to be a buzzkill if they're selling street legal race cars.

Like I don't but I'm just wondering if you're if you're selling this as a three wheel thing.

And that's the entire premise under which it's legal.

And you have a then sell a spare part to convert it along with it, along with posting these.

Is that not like an intent to defraud?

This is crazy.

For people listening, this looks exactly like a small F one car.

Exactly.

Like side pods, front splitter, halo, halo, everything about it.

It does.

Wow. And the deposits only a hundred dollars, apparently.

Of course it is into the comments.

But yeah, where do you?

I mean, this is so how does this arrive as a three wheel vehicle?

No, didn't you see there was a you were you found a post that just said how is this legal?

Go up, go back up.

No, I was on it.

It wasn't you got to read.

Oh, you have to read it.

Oh, it doesn't work for a wheel conversion kit can be installed any time after delivery

and is designed for the track to unlock the full formula car performance.

It's technically not.

Oh, this says we've worked with the D.O.T.

Nitsa FVM wants to clearly explain how the conversion works on the street.

Can be installed any time after delivery is designed for the track to

unload, unlock full performance.

It's an aftermarket part and is not FMVSS compliant.

But you can renew registration without issue, even in inspection states.

You must ensure and form your insurer of the aftermarket conversion policies need to be adjusted.

Oh, in the case and extremely of this possible concerns in the rare case, an extremely

knowledgeable officer wants to be difficult or follows this company on Instagram.

You receive a ticket for an illegal modification similar to an exhaust ticket.

This is uncommon, usually a fixed ticket, whereas proof of returning to the three wheel

setup follows it.

Blah, blah, blah.

I mean, look, that's wild.

I want to see a picture of the three.

There we go.

OK, so three.

Yeah, it's what you expect.

Two front wheels, one in the back underneath the large and I mean, large wing.

So you you you unbolt what looks like a motorcycle swing arm, I guess.

And then you install a complete rear subframe.

Wow, with.

I mean, you have to drive axles, everything.

So do you think this is crazy?

So do you think it's a motorcycle engine?

You think it's like a Hayabusa engine?

I don't know. 220 horsepower, probably Hayabusa or some some jacked up motorcycle based

engine, right? Probably.

And it's like a chain drive or something.

This is totally bananas.

I mean, dude, imagine I mean, look, have a good time, you know, the inevitable

discussion with a police officer.

Here we go.

I is good luck.

This is this is a very guilty until proven innocent kind of car.

You know what I mean?

Good luck and good luck being like, no, you're not a knowledgeable officer on this.

And this yeah, it's just it's just a good thing.

It's an illegal modification.

Like, bro, no blinkers.

Oh, this is early prototype.

OK, but yeah, bike engine.

Good luck.

I mean, it's very cool.

I think buying one for the track might be fun, but you could probably get other

options out there.

But I don't I don't I personally don't want to have that discussion with the

police officer going, you know, it's a three wheeler.

They go, it isn't what it was, but I converted it and a thing like, right,

well, then go back to go back to start.

Do not pass go.

All right, funky, though.

I mean, you know, cool.

I like the world of weird shit.

And I would I'd have a go the fuck.

Where do you think where do you think it's built?

Where are you built?

Are you built in Austin, Texas?

Of course you are.

Is listen, there isn't a worse place in America to drive something like

this on the street, Austin, Austin's roads are fucking heinously bad.

They suck.

If you're going to have, is that the founder?

Yeah, it's a good photo.

So I did conceive it in 2023.

Uh huh, original design.

Yeah.

All right.

So they have the first prototype in August of 2025.

So it might be I'm speculating.

Maybe it'll be quicker.

I'm betting it'll be a little bit before they build production ones.

Yeah, you can do pre-orders now.

But anyway, wild.

Good times.

Good luck.

Oh, we can, we can, um, Ali, as that can message Ali about that.

Nissan Gluteus Maximus.

Will we ever get away from horsepower being the standard metric of performance

that most people care about, even though torque is arguably more important or is

torque doomed forever by poor education and marketing?

Um, I think they're both important, but I think horsepower sounds cooler than

torque, and I think once people understand a system or what something means, a

scale, um, it's like trying to convert Americans to the metric system, you know,

like the metric measurements just like make way more sense than our

stupid measurements, but like they tried to convert it, but it doesn't work.

So like, um, if we're going to get away from horsepower, eventually it's going to

be kilowatts, not torque, but fucking, we're going to need a whole multiple

generations of people on kilowatts rather than horsepower, uh, to actually

get to something like that.

But horsepower and torque both work hand in hand.

I mean, I've driven plenty of diesels.

Like torque is important, but like if you have a lot of torque and no horsepower,

like you don't have a fast vehicle.

And then horsepower has been the de facto, like marketing term or term for 70 years.

You try to unwind that it's just not going to work.

Uh, two guys in the back of Alexis, Texas.

Uh, I always knew about Stellantis vehicles showing ads in the center screen,

but recently saw it happen in person and was shocked.

What can people do to protest this?

I looked up, you cannot opt out of those ads.

Really?

People on Reddit and stuff are talking about just like disable via the modem or

something to maybe get it to stop.

Cause it adds for like warranty service and things, but you just can't disable it.

Oh yeah.

Marketing notification.

I thought, I mean, that, that is bad.

Um, but I thought it was like ads for like, you know, deodorants.

I thought it was like, there's a target a half a mile up on the right.

You should stop.

You know, that kind of stuff, like surveillance capitalism type of ads.

Um, this is bad, but like not as bad as I was picturing in my head.

Still very bad.

Um, we get stuff like this, uh, on the tycon, but we've disabled all

notifications, so it actually doesn't show up.

Hopefully nothing important shows up.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Uh, which by the way, Zach, we have to, uh, we have to make the year update on

the tycon.

Cool.

It's going to be a pretty boring video.

Nothing's actually happened.

It's still, it does work.

Yeah.

Uh, usdm thoughts on financing a project car.

Hard fucking no, don't do it.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Just, just save until you can buy this stuff in cash.

Yeah.

I get it.

You're excited about the project and you want to get these parts and you want

to kind of get the thing going, but like, I don't know what kind of loan you

would get and you get a different kind of loan, whatever.

There's all different sorts out there, but even just, you know, using credit

cards that like overextending yourself, I just think is always a bad idea.

And, and then if the project doesn't go according to your imagined schedule and

they never do, I would find it double frustrating.

Like not only now am I behind schedule on this thing where the car doesn't work.

I couldn't drive it at the event I wanted to, or the part I bought didn't fit.

I am also overextended on this thing.

And that's just like, or that like, cars like in pieces and you're making payments.

That's crazy.

And then if something bad, if you lose your job, if, if you have a family

emergency of some kind, now you are underwater on a project car and talk about

something that will be hard to sell and you will get back pennies on the dollar.

So don't.

Yeah.

Uh, tickle your pickle for a triple nickel.

Uh, I've either of you driven in southern Ohio area.

How do those roads compare to other well known driving areas?

Um, would that be a possible road and track trip location?

We, I tried to do West Virginia, which is probably the best roads that

nobody ever talks about.

There was like nowhere to fucking stay.

Like the, there was just, yeah, there's nice roads, but like there wasn't anything else.

Uh, I don't know what's in southern Ohio to be honest with you.

Where's, is mid Ohio, the racetrack?

Is that in southern Ohio?

I think that's near Columbus.

Is it in the middle?

I don't, I don't know.

Mid.

I mean, I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm also like, this is a real question.

It's a, it's probably in the middle of that.

No, it's more towards the north.

Like, you're right.

Okay.

It is more towards the north than it is towards the south.

Um, but the area between south of Columbus and, and like West Virginia, like that area,

like, uh, is awesome driving roads, but there's nothing else there.

Unfortunately.

Middle Ohio is in the middle from left to right.

Yeah.

But there's nothing up there either.

Like, I don't, yeah.

It's not, I mean, it's not an area that's known for its, uh, glamorous.

Well, you said before, like the components for the road and track thing are not just good roads.

You also need a track.

You also need hotels.

You also need like some restaurants, restaurants, like some other shit to do.

And, and, you know, there might be like city centers in West Virginia where that stuff

exists, but you guys are covering a lot of ground that needs to exist out and about.

Yeah.

Scouting next week, I get to try like eight coffee shops.

Wow.

Carl's Motsomal Soup pick between a BMW X540 and a Lexus GX 550 daily driver with six

one hour commutes each way a month.

I didn't know Cache Patel was a patron.

You're going to switch the fleet to BMW.

They are.

They're talking about it.

Yeah.

For, I think it's for like FBI executives or whatever it's called, like they want to

use X5 instead of, uh, suburban's, I think.

Okay.

Uh, but, uh, I mean, the Lexus GX is a truck truck, like body on frame truck drives like

a truck.

And so for me, that's not what I would want to commute in or really drive around every

day.

Like it just feels very truckie.

It's supposed to.

That's like its thing.

The X5 is like a big car.

So that's kind of like, you know, I would go with that with the four with the, yeah,

the 40 is quick enough, smooth.

Yeah.

It's a nice car to drive.

Nice to sit in.

Yeah.

Um,

Hmm.

M three M a, have you ever encountered a car whose ECU forces you to follow break in

procedures from new, um, have you, let's see the Corvette's like encountered is

different than like bought, right?

Like press cars, like Corvettes have a rev, have an actual hard rev limiter for

like a thousand miles.

I think that's good.

I think your M three, the E 46 M threes might have.

Maybe I might, when I called, when I started cold, like it's got, yeah, the attack

adjusted to low, whatever, yellow, red, red filament.

I think the only one I've actually seen that has a forced break in his Corvette.

I haven't seen any other ones.

Oh, and he said, no, and also he says, I said, I saved 95% of what I make.

That's, that's not accurate.

I don't save 95% of what I make.

What I, what I said was if I have, if I get a big fucking, if I get a big paycheck,

whether that's my end of the year profits from the company or I sell a car or whatever,

I give 95% of that to my investment people.

And then I, I treat myself with getting something nice 5% at just so I am happy

about, you know, I didn't just make a whole bunch of money and move some numbers

from one place to the other.

And I, you know, I did well at something and I have like nothing to show for it.

So I don't save 95% of what I make.

That'll be fucking amazing.

But I don't know.

I have my, not that it matters, but like my salaries from my two companies pretty

much pay for my life.

And then the profits from those companies go in the investment to the investment

people, but I, I get, I pull bits of that out and I buy stupid things like watches and cars.

Uli Conkels Autobahn thoughts on the Nissan Xenismo facelift.

And are they missing by not offering a teatop teatops could be fun.

I agree a teatop could be fun.

The facelift I thought looked nice.

It was clean.

I've only seen photos of it.

I haven't seen it in person yet.

But I think it's a, it's a smooth look.

This, this front three quarter shot that they've got of it is certainly a good angle.

Yeah.

That's a good looking car.

I think this bar across the middle, that's new, right?

I think so just as a big rectangle, I think that helps.

Yeah.

And, and I mean, the Nismo is going to be a manual or it's going to have a manual at

least.

So I am, I am definitely excited about that because that was, that was real good, almost

perfect, but for what else we got?

Just a couple left, uh, Ocean Parkway Blunt Rider.

I can relate.

I can definitely appreciate that name was made for you.

I can relate.

Uh, question about the road and track trips.

I'd love to go on one, but I drive a Mazda three to 2.5 with a manual, but will I just

hold the group up and be useless on the track day stuff?

I mean, look, I would just say this.

Yes, probably.

And it's not that we wouldn't welcome you as a human and like you don't, there is no

minimum of a car.

Some people have brought Miata's before, uh, someone came in a GTI once, someone came

in an 86 once, um, but also a lot of people rent cars.

And so if you don't, if you want to come on one of these trips and you don't have a

car, rent a Corvette or rent a Mustang, like they're, they're, it's, it's an expense,

but they're not, there's so many of them out there.

Like they're not prohibitively expensive.

Like I don't know what it costs to rent a Corvette for a week, but it would probably

add to the cost of the trip by like 10 or 15% you know, it wouldn't be, and you can

get them from like enterprise or whatever.

I would just do that rather than come on one of these trips in a car that's not really

appropriate for it.

Especially because it's, it's not a cheap trip.

I feel like, I feel like for a little more money than you're paying to go on the trip,

you can make it a really special thing.

So it's for, it's not like, not just holding the group back, like you won't have as much

fun driving your everyday kind of slow hatchback as you would if you rented a special thing

to do this special trip.

I agree with you totally.

Travis Pastramihan Rai Country Day School, that's pretty impressive.

That's the town that I went to school, I went to Rai Country Day School, and for the

first like month when I moved there, I couldn't stop thinking about it being named like Bred,

you know, because I was a little fat kid and the town is named like Bred, and then I never

like thought about, I never got the two, put the two together again after that.

How prevalent would you say is the dependency upon electronic driving aids like ESC, among

faster enthusiast canyon drivers, and is this a form of quote, cheating, or worse yet a

dangerous practice?

I'm trying to make sense of these sometimes ludicrous speeds I see pedestrian cars doing

in the canyons, in addition to videos in my IG feed of people over driving their cars.

And I'm missing something by trying to limit ESC intervention on my canyon drives.

No, you're seeing videos of people driving like assholes, and people are going to do

that.

Now, whether there's ESC or not, people are going to drive like assholes.

I don't think that people drive like dicks because the cars have ESC, but like it does

allow them to do things that like you probably shouldn't, you know, be doing.

And it does make you not have crashes you might have had.

I mean, certainly if you apply throttle in certain ways, ESC will very, very much save

you from doing something dumb.

But like your last sentence, am I missing something by trying to limit ESC intervention

on my canyon drives?

Like, let me just say that I am not the arbiter of speed in the canyons by any means.

And if faster cars come up behind me and I will move over to let them buy and whatever,

like, I would hope someone would do the same for me.

But like as long as you're not being a shitbag and crossing the double yellows, then you know,

go whatever speed you're comfortable going, for real.

But like, if you're getting into like ABS and traction control, like you're going too

fucking fast, that's a it's a public road, like it's not in my mind.

I don't know.

Again, I'm not the arbiter of all things, but like my my morality versus the legality,

like the legality of the speed limit.

I'm willing to risk that you catch me, you catch me, I'll see you in court.

But like, that's the law.

Okay, fine.

But the morality, when people ask me about like turning off trash control on the street

and shit like that, I'm like, most of the time, I'm just like, why you need to go that

fast?

Like, you know, is that it's really get because like, you can go so fast down a public road

and just not be using the kind of throttle inputs that would elicit traction stability

control and not be breaking so late into that corner.

Right.

Like, why are you ABS breaking into a corner on the street?

Like, especially with with modern traction, traction control being as good and nuanced

as it is, you, if it's interrupting, it usually means you're doing something incorrect, you

know, especially if you have sticky tires and all that stuff, like, you shouldn't be

nudging that.

Yeah, or is because like you said, your inputs are wrong, your speed is too high going into

the corner.

So I see it, I think Bruce put this in an article years ago, but it was like, look at

it like, you know, kind of a black flag or yellow flag of your driving, like, what are

you doing wrong that is causing the car and the computer to save you from yourself?

Yeah.

So I think I, they say that they're trying to limit ESC intervention on their drive.

Like, if you're doing that by driving correctly and smoothly, I think that's a great thing

to do.

I think if you're, if you're seeing those lights come on all the time, or someone else

is seeing the lights come on all the time, then they are driving poorly.

Harlequin E63 AMG says, FSD is going subscription only starting in mid-February, and there's

an interesting tidbit, only 12% of current Teslas on the road have FSD.

That's not surprising.

I mean, I imagine like very few people are taking it new because it's not good and it's

expensive.

And they know that he really should only be using it on the highways and that's autopilot

and that's free.

Did you, did you see that California did beat Tesla in court?

Whoa.

California DNV.

And so I think there's an appeal.

I'm sure there's some kind of other appeals they're going to do.

But California judge found that the names autopilot and full self-driving are misleading

and Tesla has to either rename them or stop selling cars in California.

They're obviously going to appeal.

Do you have this?

Did you find the story?

I think, yeah.

It was from like five or six days ago.

Oh, this one's from like three weeks ago.

Oh, I don't know.

Let's see.

Is that California right?

No, this may have been, oh, no.

California judge rules that Tesla misled customers.

That one?

Yeah.

Is that this?

That's from December 16th.

Oh, I guess it was a month ago, huh?

And this is from December 17th.

So the DMV says the 90 day stay is to give time to remedy them, right?

Yeah.

So the DMV ordered the sales suspension, right?

But then they said they have 90 days to either rename the system or stop selling cars, I

guess.

So they then, I believe, appealed.

But it's nice that like, oh, what's that, 10 years, 10 years later, they get around

to it.

Eventually, California will do the right thing once they've tried everything else.

All right.

What do we have left?

Oil League Olympics.

Last one.

I've noticed there's a ton of Fisker Oceans being used as Ubers in New York City.

On the one hand, this makes sense because drivers likely got them for cheap.

On the other, it seems risky to use one for your job.

I think this is a fleet company that has them and drivers come pick them up and use them.

I think there's like a couple of companies that bought a whole bunch of them and you

as a carless person who wants to drive, ride, share, can you rent them like by the day or

by the week or something?

Pretty sure.

And then they're servicing them.

There's a company called American Lease that is managing some of the existing fleet.

Individual owners bought some and some other companies too.

I read a story from a couple weeks ago about a company in New York that had like a bunch

of them that was using them for Ubers.

Wow.

From Utopian, one of every five Fisker Oceans sold in America is now being used as a taxi

in New York City.

Wow.

That's wild.

That's crazy.

American Lease bought basically all of the inventory.

What a bold thing.

Yeah.

Company was like, we can make them work.

We'll buy all of them from like five grand each.

You know what I mean?

And then by the way, we'll hire all your techs.

You know?

We'll hire, you're giving us your like your 10 best techs to open a service depot, you

know, in Hell's Kitchen.

They bought them for 14 grand each.

Really?

It'd be really cool to know like how the techs were able to fix what Fisker couldn't.

And just because I guess they went, look, the hardware is fine.

It's got a battery that holds power.

It's got motors and the steering and the brakes work.

The rest of it, who cares?

So maybe it's just like the simplest RC car now and all the other features are just off.

I don't know.

That's crazy.

Oh, the American Lease contracted Indigo, a Massachusetts based startup to manage the

software.

Wow.

Okay.

Cool.

Got to work.

Man.

What a weird thing.

Life finds a way.

Oh, man.

That's fun.

Thank you guys.

Good show today.

We'll have another one this week before I go do a thousand miles in an electric Lucid,

Gravita.

Gravite.

Gravitas.

I bet the gravity has real comfortable seats.

That's got good seats.

I bet it's going to be very nice to cruise in.

Nice to cruise in.

300 miles at 90 miles an hour.

That's how Lucid rolls.

I think you can drift it also because Jack from Savage Geese had some pretty sick pictures

up of their track test.

Huh.

I will have to Dorifto this thing.

We will find somewhere.

Gravity finds a way.

Thanks everybody.

Talk to you next time.

Bye.

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