DAILY: Standard Range Tesla Model 3/Y, Ford Eyes Chinese Tech and Rivian Opens Charging Network | 08 Oct 2025

Welcome back to the podcast. Today, the Standard Range, Test Model 3 and Y, Ford, i's Chinese

Tech and Rivian opened their charging network. Plus, stay tuned. Later in the show, I'll tell

you why one of the fiercest critics of EVs is now complaining that their own technology

is being misused by other car makers. Well, on EV News China today, we're talking about

China's autonomy pilot, Mercedes suffers and two wheel EVs and join me later for a bonus

show about the Kia PV5, a versatile or electric MPV that blends van-like interior space with

flexible seating and comfort tech and range. I don't think anyone's talking about this vehicle

enough yet, so I'll do a special show for you later. It'll be live tonight for patrons around

8pm UK and all Patreon exclusives then go into the free feed after seven days of exclusivity.

If you want the content first or just supporting the show that I do, it's one of the member benefits.

Sorry I've been away for two, three days. The kiddos bought home something from school or nursery

and took me down on Sunday, completely lost my voice for a couple of days. But been writing the

show, so I'll add it to the back catalogue now that I can talk again. Which is just in time for

Tesla's big announcement. Well, it's been long awaited. The affordable cars that we've been

promised. The $25,000 car, not quite. They're simply more affordable variants of the existing cars,

but we knew that already. However, even until recently, some Tesla influencers were still

saying that the so-called Model B, Model 2, something the new cheaper Teslas were going to

open up a whole new market. I'm not sure that's been done today. So let me give you the details

and you can make up your own mind. They're stripped down versions and they represent Tesla's response

in many ways to the expiration of the $7,500 federal EV tax credit and also response to the

growing competition for affordable EVs. The Model 3 standard is the perhaps the surprise.

Everyone knew there was a Model Y coming, but the Model 3 standard is going to be the lowest

price they sell. That is $36,990 or $38,630 with destination fees. So $38,500. Savings of about

$5,500 compared to the rear-wheel drive variant, which is now being called premium, by the way.

So these new versions are called standard. Everything else called premium.

The Model Y standard is $39,990 or $41,630 with fees and that's a $5,000 saving over the rear-wheel

drive version of the so-called premium Model Y. Both standard models have the same battery pack.

They are 69 kilowatt hours and that is one module smaller than the existing packs in the

premium as we now call them variants. Despite the smaller battery, they have got the same

EPA listed range, which is odd because the Model 3 is a smaller vehicle, much more aero. But either

way, they're giving them the same EPA numbers, 321, 321. Easy to remember, which is still a

really, really good number for a 69 kilowatt hour pack. A reminder to anyone that had kind of forgotten

that what Tesla do really, really well, EV engineering, efficiency, power trains, they are

still on top of their game. Both feature single motor rear-wheel drive configurations, top speed,

125 miles an hour. So what's changed? How do we get $5,000 off the vehicle? Let me explain.

We'll start with exterior changes. There's the removal of the front and rear LED light bars.

A simplified front bumper design with the lighting integrated into the headlamps,

just a single light unit. Standard 18-inch wheels, 19s are available as an upgrade but

hey, that's no bad thing. It's good for efficiency. It's good for ride as well

with the higher sidewall. Limited to three colors, the free one is called Stealth Gray.

The pearl white and the diamond black are either $1,000 or $1,500 extra.

Inside, no surprise, the rear passenger touchscreen has gone and we get manual air vents.

There's a seven-speaker system, not 15 plus subwoofer. There's textile seating with vegan

leather accents and inserts rather than the full vegan leather. Manual steering wheel,

rather than the electronically controlled steering wheel. Manual mirror adjustments.

That's quite a downgrade. There aren't too many vehicles on the market these days,

apart from the, like, the real lower end. This is your real bargain basement stuff,

where you have to lean across and adjust your passenger side mirror if it gets a little bit

out of whack. Is this the end of the world? No, of course it's not. You don't really change

your wing mirrors too much. I mean, our wing mirrors change, I guess, because my wife and I

both drive the Polestar and we have our own settings and so when we walk up to it with our

own keys, the seat changes, the mirrors change, and et cetera, et cetera. But if you just,

this is just your car, then the mirrors should always be in the same place. No heated rear seats,

no ventilated seats. The front ones are only heated. There's no AMF radio, for instance.

Might not be a deal breaker for you. There is no HEPA filtration system and there's no ambient

lighting. I mean, there's a light in the footwell and the door pockets, but again,

very, very cheap EVs. All cars kind of come with some degree of lighting.

What's specific to the Model Y? The glass roof is still there, but they have covered it with a

textile headliner. So you can't see the glass roof, but they said it was more expensive to

re-engineer it and put a solid roof in. So they still use the glass roof, but they cover it over.

You can't see it. No acoustic glass, tempered glass throughout. And an open center console

design like the Cybertruck. In the Model 3 specifically, the panoramic glass roof does

remain unlike the Model Y. They haven't covered it over to sort of punish you in a way, which is odd.

Acoustic glass in the front doors, but tempered in the rear. Addition of the front bumper camera.

That's going to come to all vehicles, of course. And the return of the indicator

to stalk on the Model 3, replacing the steering wheel buttons. They've also, on all the vehicles,

removed basic autopilot. So no auto steer. So you have basic lane keep. So L-CAS or lane

keep assisted. Very, very common. It's actually a safety feature that helps you get better safety

ratings from the different kind of safety testers. And so I'd be amazed if L-CAS ever came off a

that had it. Not expensive to do. But what Tesla is known for, which is the autopilot system,

and then upgrading full self-driving, or enhanced autopilot, and then self-driving,

that's all been stripped away. And so the one thing that Tesla wants to be known for,

which is the ability for their cars to become autonomous, this doesn't have it.

Now, obviously it is cheaper. And some states like New York offer additional rebates,

bringing the Model 3 standard to $35,000, Model Y $38,000 if you're eligible. Of course,

if the federal tax credit had still been around with state incentives, then the Model 3 would have

then been a late 20s vehicle. And Musk last year talked about, maybe the year before,

the $25,000 Tesla being the game changer. That's before Tesla all changed and pivoted and was

a robot company or something. And so, yeah, if Musk hadn't helped elect an administration that then

rapidly bend off any incentives, he probably would have got pretty close to his $25,000 car

as it is. It's a $38,000 vehicle, or maybe it was $39,000, isn't it? $38,630 with destination

fees for the cheapest car. So I've seen lots of headlines today calling this the affordable

Tesla's more affordable, yes, but not cheap by any means. But I'd love to get your thoughts on it.

We'll do a special podcast all about that vehicle in your feed. It's in the Patreon feed now, by

the way, and it will be in the free feed after seven days. Let's move on. Ford says it cannot

match BYD's lower battery prices and is shifting to system efficiency to keep their EVs efficiency.

What a competitive, rather, what does that mean? Well, the CEO, Jim Farley, there's two stories

about him today. Firstly, he showed up on a podcast by The Verge called Decoder, and he said that BYD's

vertical integration makes its batteries 30% cheaper than what even Ford can buy from CATL,

and Ford can't beat them on cost. Jim Farley said the only realistic way to close the gap

is to radically redesign motors, gearboxes and inverters so the drivetrain uses 30% less battery

energy. Ford's strategy is to pursue system level innovation, reducing the battery draw

through drivetrain efficiency rather than replicate BYD's vertical integration itself and,

you know, completely restructure Ford as a business. The engineering focus can improve

range and lower lifecycle costs, supporting the broader adoption of EVs. So if you can't buy

your batteries 30% cheaper, he says let's make our EVs 30% more efficient. I've mentioned this

before, the little Ford Puma Gen E, which doesn't get much attention because it's been stupidly

overpriced, at least here qualifies for the foreground off government grant now. So now

that it's mid-20s, it's a much more sensible price because at 30, you just buy a one-year-old

Tesla that's had all this depreciation and you get way, way, way, way, way, way better car.

But now it's mid-20s, it's playing in an interesting field. That little Puma Gen E,

it's really efficient. It's like five point something miles per kilowatt hour. So

that's interesting, isn't it? The second story about Jim Farley today, the CEO Ford,

says the vehicles from China are far ahead on quality and technology, calling them the 700

pound gorilla in the EV industry, whose cost and quality are superior. He says far superior to the

West. This is on the RJ Scarridge said recently as well, echoing Jim Farley's comments. The CEO

of Rivian said, yeah, sure, the prices are low for Chinese cars, but that's not why they're good,

it's not just that they're bargain basement. They're actually really good vehicles as well.

On the decoder podcast, Jim Farley said, he told the executive chairman, Bill Ford,

and the board and his team, I love you guys, but I don't think we can do this, describing,

you know, don't think we can do this on our own without outside help, which is why he went and

hired ex-Tesla, ex-Apple senior engineer Doug Fields. Now he is currently chief EV digital and

design officer at Ford, and that led him to build Ford's EV effort separately outside of the main

structures within Ford. He relayed a story when Doug Field, I think before Doug, he was trying to

recruit him into Ford, said along the lines of Jim, as in Jim Farley, your parts release system,

your IT, your CAD design are all 25 years uncompetitive. There's no way you can beat by

that. You need real expertise. Well, Jim Farley's repeatedly warned about the Chinese and the scale

of momentum coming from there, saying there's no real competition from Tesla, GM or Ford compared

to China, and that China is increasingly dominant outside its home market. Yeah, he's going to get

those reports coming across his desk daily, isn't he? And he's going to get the best in the business.

Far better than I have access to and far better than I can do myself. He's going to have some

amazing analysts at Ford, and they're going to be buying in all of the right bits of data.

Jim Farley knows absolutely what's coming out of China. Now, we do have our spinoff series

called EV News China, a little podcast every day about decoding what's happening in the east

for my listeners in the West and the global EV industry. And so, to an extent, we're trying

to do that ourselves as well here with you and I, and try and understand what's coming out of

China and what's happening inside China's walls as well. And it is, I think I would agree with Jim

Farley. Let's talk Hyundai Europe. I was watching an interview last night with

one of the senior figures of Hyundai. He's actually the president and CEO of Hyundai Motor

Europe. His name is Xavier Martinet. And he was talking to EV, sorry, EuroNews.tv. And

it was their sort of big questions, mini series type thing where he sits down with an interviewer.

She didn't have much knowledge of EVs. I think she was, you know, a general

journalist and what have you. She's asking about, oh, is hydrogen the future, which tends to be,

I think, you know, I see this a lot in the mainstream press. They get frothy over hydrogen

because it's a simple proposition, isn't it? And yet when you understand how hydrogen is

pointless for passenger cars, you know, as you know a little bit more and I know a little bit

more about it. But so she was asking about that. He gave a nice answer. He said, yeah,

Hyundai is like, you know, we're doing some investment and not putting all our eggs in

the EV basket, but they are obviously because hydrogen doesn't have a filling network and will

never have a filling network for passenger cars. No one's going to build one. It's too expensive.

He did talk about though, how Hyundai now holds an increasing share of the European

passenger car market, a 4% share of the passenger car market in Europe. They're now number 10

in Europe. And he says that regional production has been concentrated on two Euro facilities.

Again, the interviewer, she was really nice, but she, you know, she was saying, oh, would you make

your cars in Europe? And he politely had to say, well, yes, we do. We have a plant in Turkey

and the assembly line in Nosevice in Czech Republic. That's been around almost 20 years,

by the way. I think they opened in 2008. And they have a combined annual capacity for Hyundai of

560,000 units between Turkey and Czech. Now, last year, 79% of Hyundai's vehicles sold in

Europe were made at those sites. So South Korean company, but vehicles made here. Kona was always

made there. Kona EV, of which I owned for a year. That was a European made car, right? European

tuned, all those kind of things. But this year, he said, what's interesting is that their mix

of cars on the road at Hyundai that were made in Europe will actually fall from 79 to 70%.

And that's because of the Insta. Now, the Insta is their smallest EV, the Casper back home.

And the Insta is being really, really popular, but they make it in South Korea. So because

they've sold loads of them here, it's kind of weakening the Euro mix or Euro made mix for Hyundai.

Either way, he was obviously there to talk about the new B-segment car, concept three,

as it's called at the moment. It'll be Ionic something. And it arrives early next year. So

think Ford Fiesta, Renault Clio, Perto 208 competitor. It's an area of the market that

Hyundai's missing at the moment. Kia are a little bit ahead of them on getting into that

B-segment. But European customers, he said, this is fascinating, actually. This is the one thing I

took away from the interview. He said, European customers keep their cars for six years on average.

So going from combustion to EV, for most people, is an act of faith. That was his phrase. It's an

act of faith. Now, obviously, I live in this world and you listen to this podcast every day. So

you and I aren't normal in terms of the average person replacing their car every

six years on average. I know some people do it every two, three, if they're leasing and financing.

And he said, it's an act of faith. That was a really interesting way of putting it.

And maybe I'll remember that a little bit more when we talk about people moving to EV. It's a

really big deal for some people. And I do know that. I do know that. I was watching a review of

zero motorcycles because it took zero in a moment. And the reviewer was a little bit newer to electric

mobility than perhaps some others. And so he was saying all the things that maybe you and I were

saying five or 10 years ago about electric mobility, which was, you know, for him to give up his

petrol motorbike would be unthinkable at the moment. So yeah, it's interesting, right? We'll

come back or talk Rivian and zero, like I say, and press parity. That one raises its head again.

Stick around back in a moment. All right, welcome back to the podcast. Now, Rivian has been talking

R3, R4, even R5 and further. They say that they are now developing R3 and R4, but keeping design

details private. They're scoping out cost. And two months ago, RJ Scarridge was on the Daniel

Tosh podcast saying they're working on R2 and R3, but also R4 and R5 adding there may be an R6.

And that the four upcoming models, which is 2345, were as far out as our product plan goes today.

The future models are going to be lower cost. So they're not going to go anywhere upwards from R1,

but they'll be lower cost than R2 and R3. In August, RJ Scarridge said the company focused on

launching its $45,000 midsize R2, that there's no engineering teams on R4 and R5 as of today,

because he says R4 and R5 are conceptual. So thinking about what would the size be? What

kind of vehicle is it going to be? What was the buy? What's the market of R4 and R5? On the Decoder

podcast from The Verge with Joanna Stern, RJ Scarridge just reiterated Rivian's practice of

defining a vehicle before revealing it. And the company applies that early stage development

process to everything. So R2 is almost ready. Validation vehicles are out there. And then

3, 4, 5, and possibly 6, very much on the drawing board, but literally only on the drawing board.

Working out, what even do we want to do with these vehicles? Let me say there's no engineering

happening yet, but they are coming. Second Rivian story, it said yesterday, it's going to open up

the adventure network, RAN, Rivian Adventure Network is their charging network. And they're

opening up completely to other EV brands. Now, the network has 131 stations and 839 chargers.

109 at the minute are open to all EVs, but there are still 20 odd that are Rivian only.

Earlier this year, Rivian began upgrading them to J3400 slash native Nax connectors as part of

adopting the J3400 standard. And that is being done now as every site will now become compatible

with non-Rivian EVs, which is great, more charging. Now, I mentioned zero motorcycles,

zero is relocating. Their global headquarters have been in California, and they're moving,

they're moving the business to the Netherlands to align with Europe, its largest market for

electric bikes. Core global functions will be consolidated in their new European headquarters.

The California site remains their long-term innovation center. I guess they couldn't

completely disown the US because they have, you know, a business there. So they were careful to

say, oh, no, we're not completely leaving the United States, but they are moving to the Netherlands.

The US location will support a small team focused on powertrains and next-gen models.

Zero says the move follows rapid expansion over here in Europe, with strong retail and fleet

growth using the Netherlands as their hub. The company will increase agility, streamline their

operations and improve coordination with suppliers and distributors. Yeah, that video I was watching

earlier of the zero, oh, is it ZS, the bike that does 100 and something miles and is a,

you know, really compelling vehicle. I think for many, many people who are not completely in that,

that kind of petrol world of motorbikes of, I'll never drive electric. But if you perhaps have

a weekend bike or you live in Los Angeles or you live in a big area and you got to commute

Monday to Friday and you love two wheels, well, yeah, you could do that on a little one, two,

five moped for a lot less money. And, you know, you can certainly, you know, cut through traffic

and split the lanes. And if you want to do that with electric power, zero offers some really good

motorcycles. But the main reason I went to it was just to read the comments section. This is a

motorbiking YouTube channel. So this is full of people who love their two wheels. And I think,

you know, 99.9 out of 100 would actually love their, their, their, their petrol powered versions.

And I thought the discussion was pretty balanced. Actually, a lot of people saying I'm never going

electric, but not, but no vitriol, just electric bikes aren't very good. And that's, you know,

understandable. They have a really small battery physically, because they can't have massive

batteries like cars. So that could be, that could be something where, like I say, if you've got two

or three bikes or just even two bikes or a weekend fun bike, the electric would do you for commuting.

Or that's where we see solid state batteries, which are now coming out of the lab and onto the road.

And we've got semi solid state already on the road. But that's where we, there's a pathway to

doubling the energy density of lithium ion batteries. And a lot of EV, a lot of EV bikes

have AC charging, not even DC fast charging. So that is where you'd get faster charging,

double the energy density, eventually lowering the cost. There's no doubt

that a 12, 13, 15,000 euros for an electric motorbike, you're also paying a privilege of

being a very early adopter. So yep, EV motorbikes, somewhat behind the, you know, the car business.

Now used EV prices, once again, are near gasoline parity, used electric vehicle prices have nearly

reached parity with gas cars. The premium fell to just $900 last month, according to Cox Automotive.

The average listed price of a used EV was $34,704, which is interesting. Customers bought nearly

$41,000 used EVs, that's 60% up. Federal tax credit that expired, of course, was $4,000 for

used EV, below $25,000. So well below the average selling price. Leasing rules also have been shaping

supply. Consumers could easily claim the $7,500 tax credit when leasing a new EV rather than buying

one. Less rules around batteries and how you got that $7,500 off. Now there's a growing wave of

lease returns, not returns as in, but you know, off lease. So off lease is two, three years later,

higher trade in volumes has increased the used EV supply. It's pushing prices down. So now when

you go to go buy a used EV, you can now compare, you can compare the same model. So if you're looking

at a brand that has the same car in either powertrain or even different ones that, you know,

the same segment, same everything really, then EV is like you're paying a very, very small premium.

The CEO of Recurrents, Scott Kay, said that 2026 will be the year of the used EV. Recurrents are

a sponsor of this podcast. Ferrari is opening their own test track for electric vehicles.

It's a 1,887 meter private test circuit. Tests that they've built it beside their Fiorano proving

ground so that they can do more off-road testing. And when I mean off-road, let me explain.

Not on public road testing. I'm not talking off-road as in dirt tracks. So Ferrari said,

we built this new test track for our new EVs for precise, repeatable, high safety testing

completed in four months on a 37,000 square meter site next to Fiorano.

Then new test track. It looks amazing. It's all new, lovely new asphalt and stuff. Looks gorgeous.

It's divided into sections where they will evaluate handling dynamics and vehicle attributes.

They've got two banked curves and a 600 meter straight line and a sequence of bends,

varying sharpnesses and widths. The timing matches the activity around Ferrari's EV development,

which was spotted on the roads around Modena last week. Ferrari have a long history of driving

their cars out of their factory in Italy and they're being spy photographers to have a look at them.

So private test track doesn't totally roll it out. People have drones and long lenses,

but still a new private test track at Ferrari to test their EVs on.

Okay, let's move on and talk about charging. Electric Era is speeding up Level 3

charge deployments at the new Love's Travel Stops. First one at Buena Vista and on Highway 24

between Denver and Colorado Springs. The company uses their battery-backed DC charges to cut the

operating expenses by up to 70% and bring the installation time from years down to months,

while guaranteeing they say 98% uptime per plug. Over the past two years,

that approach helped customers also win more grant applications and more incentive money,

they say, with the federal NEVI funding now restored, of course, available state and federal

programs can cover up to half of deployment costs on some of the projects, enabling certain retailers

to achieve a positive return on charging alone in under two years. Electric Era also supplies

customer branded charges with retail program integration to convert charging activity into

install revenue. The Buena Vista site is Love's 38th EV charging location

and one of more than 150 EV charges the retailer now operates across 15 states.

Dacia have unveiled what they think could be a discussion point for the future of the small car.

It'll cost £13,000. It's 800 kilograms and it'll do 100 kilometers of range and it's not

quadrocycled, it is a car. Now Dacia have called it the hipster. It's basically a big square box,

small bonnet but otherwise a big square box with the wheels on all four corners really pushed out

and almost run a twingo like. Targeting £13,000, a compact three meter cube, four seats inside,

which they say would be a very affordable second car but a useful second car.

Rugged 4x4 cues and a driving position like a bigster SUV for outward views but very lightweight.

So 800 kilograms is 20% less than their little Dacia Spring, the cheapest EV you can buy and a

smaller footprint, a right sized battery they say. They give it 62 miles or 100Ks. I think that's

definitely going to be an issue when it's cold and battery range drops. But they say that that's

three times the typical French daily mileage. You can't argue with the data, you know arguing with

people's perceptions and rationality. 62 miles, 100Ks is a very low number. But to hit the price

point there'll be active crash avoidance aids that are omitted. Dacia says that new car prices

though keep rising up 30% in the last four years and the company wants to look at what a customer

needs a vehicle for. Dacia very famous of course for more affordable vehicles. Talking about where

we make our cars, the next car that you buy could be made in Hungary after a decade of industrial

investment. The Hungarian location of Debrecen is about to start production at BMW's electric car

plant and even CATL's new battery factory. The northwestern economic zone a few kilometers

away from Debrecen on the M35 motorway covers 620 hectares and that includes BMW's new

production site. A supplier park and supporting roads, logistics and utilities. In the same zone

the Chinese battery maker Eve Energy started constructing their first European plant

working, sorting works began on 20th of September. They'll supply cylindrical cells to BMW. Meanwhile

on the southern industrial park, now near Debrecen airport, CATL the Chinese battery maker and the

world's biggest EV battery maker building their second European plant for cells for BMW, Stalantis

and Volkswagen. It'll be open early next year. Additional suppliers are joining the cluster.

The Chinese SEM Corp will make battery separator film in the area. That'll start in the autumn

and the South Korean Eco Pro will open its European cathode plant strengthening the local EV

supply chain. The next EV you buy could have a lot of Hungary inside it.

What about e-bikes? Talking about it recently now in article today I saw talking about how

regulation isn't catching up with technology. Rising injuries involving electric bicycles,

electric scooters and micro mobility devices that coincide with a surge in the higher

powered models coming in often from China. Lawmakers and police are trying to respond

but the tech is moving faster than the regulations themselves. For example in Pennsylvania

legal e-bikes are low powered pedal cycles. We call them pedalex over here and e-bikes in Europe

but in the UK must be a pedalec. Many online sellers though are free to sell stronger machines

called e-motos that can be a 1500 or a 3000 watt motor on your bike which you don't have to have

license plates or a license or insurance or a helmet and yet they'll go faster than some

mopeds and motorcycles. They'll travel three times faster than a legal e-bike.

Now general counsel at People for Bikes Matt Moore said that the pandemic was one of the

drivers of interest in e-bike sales and it helped spawn unregulated cycles now appearing on the roads.

Many parents are buying them for their kids and in America not realizing how fast these bikes can

go like you wouldn't allow your kid to go on a motorbike at 40, 50 or 60 miles an hour with no

helmet and yet they're buying their kids things off the internet which can do that. Police and

enforcement is not keeping in pace. Clearer vehicle classes, new state and local rules are

needed and police training to align with safety. Police are saying well if we pull over a bike

there's no way because it's not licensed it's not regulated there's no way of putting it into the

database of saying there's no sticker saying this motor has a 1500 kilowatt motor on it and the police

aren't trained to say that's an illegal bike we're confiscating it and so their hands are

tied they're doing their best but regulation and integration of

micromobility is really important this isn't the podcast for micromobility fascinates me it's part

of our future how we'll get around on the planet in the future I'd drip feed it into this show

but yeah it's an interesting discussion point isn't it and finally Toyota are upset the company

that has spent untold amounts of money advertising against EVs the company that famously says

we choose not to plug in like Toyota hates EVs and well I wouldn't say I hate Toyota but I

certainly hate the way that they try and diminish electric vehicles I mean do your own thing that's

fine but don't try and make people feel bad about making the choice that they've made that's just

awful terrible company. Sean Hanley is the vice president of sales in Toyota and he told Drive

magazine in Australia that Toyota is a bit upset the other car companies are calling their cars

hybrids because Toyota say that they make proper hybrids meanwhile other car companies

use a 48 volt system or something which they say is not a proper hybrid and they shouldn't be

advertised as hybrids he said and I quote 48 volt assisted system does not represent hybrid drive

and that Toyota doesn't count 48 volt as hybrid Toyota are very upset these vehicles are being

advertised as hybrids and they are not he said other OEMs must be clear in their advertising and

marketing oh what a shame Toyota is really upset at other car companies saying we make hybrids

despite the stance it is interesting because Toyota actually makes 48 volt models they make

things like the Land Cruiser hybrid 48 volt and the Hilux hybrid 48 volt not in Australia but over

here in Europe where Mr. Hanley may not realize they are advertised as hybrids so even his own

company is doing the same thing that Toyota Australia are so so upset about look unless

it has a plug on it it's just a shabby shabby excuse of trying to reduce a little bit of

emissions you know and I know it you know 48 volts use a little motor generator rather than

alternate a small battery call it electrified call it hybrid call it mild hybrid call it full

hybrid if it hasn't got a plug socket on the side of it you're still going to the petrol station

and under the thumb of their their pricing their servicing and all that kind of stuff which of

course Toyota would very much like you to be for as long as possible unless your podcast for today

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