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Delays & Car Tales
About this episode
Delays & Car Tales dives into the challenges of automotive repairs, particularly focusing on backordered parts and the frustrations of dealing with dealerships. Host Dave Polage shares personal experiences, including a mysterious wet smell in his truck leading to a leaking tail light issue. The conversation also touches on the differences between OEM and aftermarket parts, the evolving technology in vehicles, and the implications for repair shops. Listeners will appreciate the candid discussions about the automotive industry and practical advice for maintaining their vehicles.
Topics:
backordered parts
leaking tail lights
cleaning products
OEM vs aftermarket
vehicle technology
car maintenance
repair shop experiences
electric vehicles
A simple part order led us down the rabbit hole of warranty delays, backordered parts, and the wild world of aftermarket upgrades. Don't miss todays show tune in today!
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Talk Cars Radio, Dave Polage.
Speaker 2: Happy Saturday, America. You're listening Let's Talk Cars Radio. W
KQA Freedom Radio. I'm your host, Big DAVP, hangout camera,
Chaos and AVB. Hey, it is a great day for
a radio show. Hopefully where you guys are at is
a good day for a car show. Our has been
up and down, and you never know what's going to do around here, but it feels great. You know. The temperature, well,
I'll say this week's been a little weird because we went from like in our area, like eighty one degrees to like fifty four in three hours. I don't know
how you dropped that quick, but we did. And no
it wasn't night, it was still late afternoon, and I was like, well, how do we drop that? But if
you're in Virginia, you guys know the same. If you
don't blink twice and change blink twice, I'll change it will.
But like I said, hopefully where you guys are at, the weather is great and it's holding off and you guys get to have a great car show. Like I said,
it is car show season and it has been busy.
But this week I got a bunch of Hey Daves, and we haven't done Hey Daves in a while. I
do it once in a while, but I got and it's funny. So one of them was actually something that
just happened to me, whish I thought was a little weird that I got the email not exactly the same thing, but it was talking about interior on cars, right, and they were talking about cleaning and all that kind of stuff and how to clean up what do you use to do that and stuff. I told you guys, I
kind of got hooked a little bit on the chemical guys stuff. I do like it. A lot of it
works very well. Do I use all of it. No,
I just tried one of their interior sprays or something like that that I got that I didn't think did very well. I don't know. I've used other stuff in
the past. I think that worked better, be honest with
you guys. I like simple green on a lot of things.
I don't spray it directly on things. I put on
a rag and I used to wipe and it seems to clean up any dirt inside the interior. But the
question that he had was is he had some staining on one of his door panels. Was the Hey, Dave
so and asked me, what have I ever ran into it?
And sent me a picture of it? And what do
I use? So from the picture that I saw, and
I know you guys are going to disagree with me on this just because of how strong it is. Maybe
so when I get if I get like some markings or something like that on a door panel, I like to use a purple power on a cloth, and I like to dilute it down a little because purple power alone is if you guys know you use it, it's very strong. I mean it takes all the stuff off
you don't even want to come off. Sometimes that's how
strong it is, but I'll dilute it down and out use it. One of the things I do like that
does work really well is the chemical Guy's stain remover.
They make it go look it up. It works very
very well, and I think it will work on the door panel, uh, pretty well, for he's got staining on the bottom where that we're underneath the door handle as the picture he sent me, and I found it kind of interesting. So I just ran into something. I was
talking to the guys about it before we came on the show.
So I had gotten into my truck a couple of different times within the last couple of weeks, and you ever like get your vehicle and you just something. It's
not a fresh smell in the vehicle, right something. It
was something. It wasn't that bad. But I just anybody
gets my truck will tell you my truck always smells really good inside. I'm really big about keep my truck clean.
And I get joked about all the time because it looks like my truck has always been freshly detailed, and it hasn't. Sometimes it's been weeks and somebody gets and
go then you just have the same clean And I laughed when I'm like, no, I know, it's been three weeks, sometimes been a month. I just like a clean vehicle,
and I pick up back to myself, Like I if I open up a piece of candy or something to my vehicle, I don't throw the wrapper and leave it in there. I take the wrapper out with me when
I get out. In my next destination, I throw it
in the trash rather it says a store or whatever.
So I tend to keep things clean. But I smelled
something I couldn't put my finger on what it was was.
It smelled. It had a kind of a wet smell.
So the very first thing I did was I rubbed the carpet. I put my hand down in the carpet. I'm like,
I don't feel anything wet. And I was like, okay,
it was raining the other day. Did I keep the
door open too long and some water got it? And
I think I even mentioned to you. I was like, man,
I think like when I was loading my vehicle, I thought I got like rain and I was like, I think I got on the carpet. Maybe I'm smelling the carpet.
They let the window down and I checked the windows and stuff, and I was like, well, maybe one of my doors wasn't closed and sealed enough, and maybe like when it rained, water was coming through the door sealed because maybe I didn't fully close the door, and I couldn't figure it out. I never felt anything wet, but
I just had like what smelled like a wet smell to it. Well, low and behold, it's been raining here.
And I got in the truck and I was like, I smelt it again, but it smelled a little stronger this time. I was like, so of course smelled fresh,
smelt fresh, And then I happened to notice that my windows on the inside it were what kind of steamed up, which then gave me. I was like, okay, there's moisture
somewhere the humid because it was very human here, I thought maybe that too, but I was like, I first went to moistures getting somewhere, and I'm like, it is definitely getting somewhere. So I didn't find it, and I
think we would move two days forward. So yeah, today
I get in the truck. It rained again today and
I smelt it again, and I'm like, okay, I'm not insane, Like there's something going on here and it is driving me nuts, couldn't find it, didn't see it. I go
to back up, and as I back up, I usually use my backup camera. I don't know, and I look
out my side mirrors. I put my hand like the
old school on my seat and looked over my shoulder and I looked up and I saw there was a watermark in my headliner. And I was like, oh, gotcha.
I was like, I was like, man, I was so I knew. Maybe you guys knew this. I did not know.
The two thousand and five, two thousand and six Chevies had a leaking back tail light, and the Ford I think had a problem with it too, But I know the Cheves did because I had to fix one on my six. Apparently the fourteen to the nineteens have the
same problem. And it finally breached and it got wet,
and that's what I've been smelling. I haven't seen any
evidence of it, but now I haven't enough. So I
hit it with a little bit of the stain cleaner and it wipes clean. Now here's the problem. So this
is the aggravation to me. I told you guys about
a lot of things being back ordered. Like, I just
don't understand the back order on everything. I do want
to let me back up because I know I'm gonna get corrected by somebody in an email or a text.
I do understand the way it works on back order.
What I don't understand is when you know there's an existing problem, and it's been an existing problem for a while, and you haven't produced enough stuff to fix the problem.
So I called and I'm like, hey, I got a leaking tail light and need to go ahead? Is a
is aren't upgrade for it?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, is there something you guys have redesigned it superceed part? Is there a supersed part? And the
answer was yes, there's a superseded apart. I'm like great.
They're like, but the problem is there's thirty four on national back order for just us alone, out of our dealership.
I'm like great, or I really didn't want to like information.
I know how to fix it. I mean I do,
because I know I had to say I know how to fix it, because you guys are going to tell me how to fix it anyway, because this always happens to me. But you don't want to do all that
work just temporarily fix it. I could put a new
gasket in it, and I can put the silicone in it, and I can reseal the light and I know it will hold, and I probably want any problem. I'm just
weird about it. I've told you guys, I go down
weird rabbit holes. I If I know there's a supersed
a part and there's I'm gonna I want to put that in. I don't want to take my old out.
And I know I can seal it up and it probably would never leak. But as far as I'm gonna cern,
that is the the hack to it. That's not the
fix to it. Now, keep in mind, I will put
silicone on the new one, even though it's the new.
I will silicone on it and put it back in any way us to be safe. But it's like my
truck's been to the dealership a couple different times for little things. If you knew that was a problem, why
didn't you fix it? Why didn't you fix it before?
Right before before? And this has happened to me a
couple different times, in a couple different vehicles. I think
I told you guys. A camera I got sent a
message on it on my wife's camera. They knew there
was an issue. I brought it to them. They're like, oh,
we don't see any problem, and I'm like, yeah, but you guys mailed me that there's a problem. They're like, yeah,
but it's not doing it. I'm like okay. And then
like within two weeks of me leaving the dealership, the light came out on the dash and I was I knew.
I didn't even need to pull it up. I knew
what it was. I'm like, I'll guarantee this is it,
and sure enough it was. It was a problem with
the braking system, and it was and it coded out for it. And I'm like, why didn't you just fix
it while it was there? You know it's a problem,
rather it tripped a light or not. You know the
problem existed. Why don't you just fix the problem. And
I just kind of feel like, Okay, so my truck's been there several different times for different things. You know
it's an existing problem. Why didn't you I didn't know it.
I'm sorry. I guess I was naive to it. And
you guys tell me if I'm wrong. I didn't know.
I knew on the six, like the five and six they had their issue because, like I said, mine did it and I had to fix it. Then I didn't
know that the fourteen to nineteen had the problem. Is
first I heard of it. Like, it's never been brought
to my attention, no one's ever sent me anything on the show about it. I didn't really have any reason
to go look it up. Let's be honest, too, though.
Speaker 3: If it's work improperly, then there's really no reason to replace it. Sometimes until it's you know, until you have
that problem.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to take care of you with you to a certain degree, but if it goes to dealership, you know it's a known problem, right as like big problem as it already is it already is, why don't you just put the part in to measure take care of it prevented? Betters, It's no different than you guys
know the Chevy truck had an electronic braking system problem.
Just so you know, mine's ever been replaced. I know
that even though I've gotten no less than ten different recall stuff on it. I've taken to the deal and
they'd be like, well, it's not it's not acting up.
We don't see anything wrong with yours. Now I can
tell you no less than two different problems. I can't
say this that problem that I have been in a parking spot with my foot on the brake looking up something on my phone because I don't like to drive in text. But I put it in reverse my phone
dinged or whatever, and I didn't put it back in park.
I held my foot on the brake, grabbed my phone, took a look at it, and I felt the vehicle started to move with my foot fully on the brake.
I think that's part of the electronic breaking problem. Now.
I took it in to the dealership when this is what I felt. I looked up the procedures and they
say that's exactly what it would be. And they're like, well,
we don't see any problem. I don't understand why not
just replace the part? Now? What ended up happening is
I know, knowing my luck is that recall is going to be done and over with and they're not responsible for paying for it, and then it's going to fail and I'm responsible for paying for it because it's already gonna be outside of its recall steps. Damage come with it,
right right, you know already. I just know that's coming.
But I just find it interesting that I keep running into this. And I know if I'm run into it,
our listeners and people who just generally stopping this show because they drive cars and they find the show interesting.
But our dedicated listeners, I'm sure you guys have had to run into it. Somebody's ran into that problem. And
I've told you, guys, I hate recall parts because I feel like there's no rush. And I can tell you
I got friends that have vehicles sitting at certain dealerships.
I won't say the name of the brands, but they're all the popular ones. They have cars sitting and they've
been sitting, and they've been sitting. Cameron had the same problem.
He took a car and it sat and it sat and it's sat because the part wasn't available. And they
tell you, and I told you guys a story about I will say this one the four that we had what fifteen years ago that had a national recall. They
didn't know how to fix it and told us to park the vehicle. They get back to us, like six
months went by, the vehicle just sitting.
Speaker 4: Brand the vehicle no sense to me when they're like, oh, just park the video the vehicle the video, yeah, video video, or like they'll come out with a recall and it's like park, do not drive, but you still want me to make my payments on it.
Speaker 2: Here's nothing and that's and that's so, you guys know, I hate government overreach, right, I just I'm not into it, and I'm not saying I want to invite the government into this problem. But I do believe that at some
point that something needs to be set in precedence where if you have a failure within your vehicle which makes it where I can't use my vehicle or a product or product or whatever it is, you as the manufacturer need to be held accountable some way. You need to
make me whole, especially and it really affects you on a car because this happens. This happened a lot when
I was actively in the car business. I had to
have conversations with people all the time about there's nothing I can do, that part's no longer available, it's on national back order. I can't get my hands on it
for six months, and it's there. Not only car, it's
their only car, and they're without their car for that long and nobody and they're mad at me. They have
no reason to be mad at me, but they are mad at me. You're the one who is They're in
front of right, so I only want to get right.
I catch the blunt for it. And I'm like, there's
nothing I can do. I can't make your part. I
can't fix your part. Nobody in the country has it.
And I know it makes your car drive, but your car is non drivable without it. And there's nothing I
can do for you. And I just wish that there
was something that even the playing field, okay, because what happens, They go, well, we got it ordered. I don't want
to tell you when it's going to come in, and they believe that's the end of the conversation. Do you
think that Billy is really working hard to get you that part? No, he's not, because he's gotten ninety other
of you that have the same. He doesn't even know
what your last name is. He has no clue. He's
got your car, but he has no idea unless you call, he does not remember who you are.
Speaker 4: And even a set back date isn't like a set date.
It can always change, you know, Yeah, that day happened, I got a date.
Speaker 2: The date came, I'm like, where's the part, Oh, we got switched and went another two months out. Oh it
got switched in it when another two months out and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: That or they're waiting for a specialist to come out to recognize the problem and make a decision, and you're waiting on them to get their stuff together.
Speaker 2: You're talking about camera situation. That's what happened to camera.
I was like, well, we got to have an expert come out and take a look at I was like, what do you need to look at? The car doesn't drive?
What more don't you say? But they don't care. There's
no care and there's no reason from care because there's no repercussions for that act.
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if I was a regular Joe and a regular customer, a regular you know, like as some of our viewers, you know, they just dropped the car off and they're waiting for a reply. I physically had to make phone
calls to different companies to get answers, to be able to get them, and then you would go to that company that has your car and go this is what I heard or and then they'll be like, WHOA, I don't know what to tell you, and it's like you're dealing with the same company, you know, like they can't tell me when it's documented.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist.
Now back to your host, Dave Polach.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, guys. So before we went to commercial break,
I told you there's processes and if you guys don't know you just tune in. We're talking about the recalls
on cars or part it's on national back order, or the dealership to them, or how even basic repair shops. Yeah,
absolutely so here, well, here's let me be clear. The
repair shop usually has there's nothing they can do for you.
I very much believe you. Guys know, I like using
mom and pop places. Sometimes my car has to go
to the dealership because this dealer related and or it's a warranty item that's covering. I'm not gonna pay out
of pocket for something that's covered on a warranty, I will say. Side of that, the mom and pop shops
will try.
Speaker 4: More harder to go out of their way to make sure their customer's taken care of rather than the dealers.
Speaker 2: But their hands are tied. The dealership sold the car.
Speaker 4: You're right, their hands are tied, but at least they're making the initiative and trying to get that customer back on the road rather than the dealership. They rather just
have a car sit in their parking lot until they can get Nobody wants.
Speaker 2: A cart in their parking lot. No, they don't. They
don't dealerships. I mean they're hoping the dealership they come back.
I know a dealership right this second that I know has no less than eighty cars of the same basic model.
I mean they're when I say same model means same motor, same transmission. It may be a truck or an suv,
but it is basically the same thing. Joint venture. They
have no less than eighty vehicles sitting there that are waiting for the same problem parts and have been sitting there for a while, and they can't get their hands out.
I won't say who it is. I'm just saying I
know everybody knows everybody in this business. There's no secrets.
I mean, there's absolutely no secrets. That's the reason why
I get upset when I said there's a process. I
hate when someone tries to walk. First of all, if
I've never told you, guys, I know I've mentioned on the show. I know I have. I don't walk around
with my head in the clouds and patches and you know I'm not doing ass and I'm you know, I mean, I'm not. I don't. I don't do that game of
let me tell you what I know. I just never
done that. In fact, I like camer tell you. I
love to play stupid when I go into a car dealership something like that, same I don't know nothing about cars as far as they're concerned. And now everybody goes, wait,
don't you don't you go to a lot of your sponsors.
I do. But if I'm in a situation where I'm
not at a sponsored garage that knows me and the person does not know me, I do not use the clout of the radio show or being involved in cars my whole life. I don't use any of that. I
don't like any I don't go into a pizza place and tell them how to make a pizza. I don't
go into a car place and tell them how to fix my car. I go in and tell what my
problem is and let them tell me what it's going to take to fix it. Now. I can agree or
not agree with that take care of it right, absolutely, but I definitely don't like to go into a place and tell them how to If I'm taking my car for you to fix it, I don't need to sit there and tell you how to fix it. Now. If
you come back to me with some bs and I know that it is, granted, I probably won't even call you out on it. I'll just be like, Okay, well
let me let me think about that back to you, because I just know it's not legit at that point in time. I've just never been that guy. Now I've
I've gotten the point where if it gets into a static situation where I need to explain them, I'm not dumb.
And here's the reason why I'm not dumb. That's a
little different. But I rarely like to even try to
use that card. I just don't like to do it.
I don't. I don't enjoy doing that. I don't think
it's fair. Like I said, I don't. I'm not going
to tell you how to make a pizza if that's what you do for a living, and I'm not going to tell you how to do your job, you know what I mean. Like I brought it to you for
your expert opinion, you give it to me, and if I I agree with it, I have the right to take my cars someplace else. It's just that simple. And
I don't mind paying you for whatever. I mean, if
it costs diagnosis charges what is. Here's where it gets
complicated in the car market at these First of all, let me say you all know I hate aftermarket warranties, can't stand them. If you all like them and they've
worked out for you terrific. But in the history of
me being involved with cars, it never works out in the long run because that policy, as I told you, has a a stop point somewhere in it. Rather you
believe it does or not, it does has a limit, It has a limit or whatever it is, or they they camera will tell you and he knows, and me we won't tell how he knows, but he knows they have.
And you can say yes or no. I will send
you more of our work if you deny more of the more and more of these claims, or find reasons not to pass them. Is this true or not true? Yes, okay,
it's a sentence and everything. There's incentives for them not
define a reason that you're covered underneath that, and they paid in those garages and stuff or businesses. They get
more work based on their average of finding the language or.
Speaker 4: There's some language that you use to be able to either get approved or not get approved. You know, it's
how you say, how you say it, It's how you speak to the person. And I'm the same way you know,
I go, I so I love my mom and pop shops.
But sometimes for the car that I'm driving, I have to take.
Speaker 2: It to a dealer shop.
Speaker 4: Right, So it's like and careful what you say, yep, And then like I will not tell people I know stuff about cars or I know how do I know about the processes on how a car works. No, there's not.
Speaker 2: So value in it for you to do exactly.
Speaker 4: Until the very end when you just know that they're lying to you, and then you don't.
Speaker 2: Sometimes call it the car.
Speaker 4: But then sometimes you have to. You know, sometimes you
just like to if they don't have to use I like to, but it's in your I don't like being lied to.
Speaker 2: So it's like you give your cards away that point, you give all your cards away once you pop it.
That's the only thing about it.
Speaker 4: You show the ace and you keep the king. Okay,
I'm maybe show the king keeping right. No, I showed
my best card first.
Speaker 2: This is always correct. I like.
Speaker 4: The reason why I like mom and pop shops is because if you take a car to the dealership, the dealership is only going to try to put OEM parts onto it, while the mom and pop shop will go, look, I want to put an OEM park it. But you're right,
But for me, I don't care what part you put on my car as long as you get it running.
Speaker 2: And I'm weird about it. I know the people, and
I'll just tell you. So my Chevy truck, I don't
even think I even told you guys. I started it
up the other day and checking J light came on as soon as I started, and I went, yeah, I think I know what that is because I thought I felt something like three weeks ago. I was driving the
truck and I thought I felt a slight misfire and then it wasn't there, and I went, man, I swear that was just a misfire. No check engine lights, no nothing.
I fired the truck up in the morning to go someplace.
Check engin light comes on and I felt what felt like a little rough file and then it leveled out.
Checkings light turned off. Now you all know, well maybe
you don't, but most of y'all listen show do. It
was blinking, and I was like, misfire because I think almost all cars nowadays when it blinks, let's you know that's actually a misfire. Now, I so I went to
the repair shop and I was given the choice. You're
like do you want aftermarket? And I'm I told you guys,
I'm weird about it, Like, nope, do me a favor, call it dealership. Just tell me what the difference is
between price between the dealership and aftermarket. I need now.
I do plugs, and I don't know, you guys may do something different when I do plugs. I do coils too.
I just do it. I know they're expensive, but I
just believe in doing it. I do mine in a set.
That's my preference. I know you guys, man, I'll throw
new plugs in and let that thing eat cool. That's
on you. I don't I know. My trucks just turned
a little over eighty thousand miles on it. I'm like,
if I want to put plugs in it, put coils. Well,
the coil packs for that vehicle worth a thousand dollars right, okay?
After market? It was after market. It was only like
two hundred dollars difference versus OEM or act market. And
I mean OEM replacements is what I'm talking about. Everybody's like, well, ohem,
is that no dealership or OEM equivalent from one of your nap out of park shop whatever? And trust me,
I got a lot of nap of parts. I buy
because I nap you guys know I but for something like that, I want it dealer parts. And I was
willing to pay the tow. It was two hundred dollars difference,
it was it two hundred dollars didn't seem like a lot of money to me in their scheme of things.
Now I've done that, and the boys will tell you I've done that for years. I'm like, there, your vehicle,
d's anultnator. Call the dealership. I can just get one
from such and such. I'm like, nope, call deal What
does What happened to me?
Speaker 4: When I took my car to one of the NAPA shops, it was, hey, do you want the aftermarket or do you want the OEM alternator? I was replacing my odinator,
And I remember my comment. My comment was, I brought
it to you because I do what we say, find a reliable shop that you trust, whatever you think is best, just.
Speaker 2: Do it, you know.
Speaker 4: And the aftermarket part was going to get there quicker.
It's going to do the same job. Go ahead, put
the aftermarket part on it. I mean, necessarily, I don't
care if it's.
Speaker 2: A market I'm been weird about it my whole life.
I'm weird.
Speaker 4: But I'm also taking it to a shop that I know you're going to do the best what is for me for the customers, and that's all.
Speaker 3: It doesn't always mean that the aftermarket part is going to work just as efficient, or that it's going to lead down to other problems. I think when you go
with OEM parts, you're you're basically along to them problem because you could say OEM like it's been.
Speaker 2: A trick from them, but there I know it's OEM equivalent coming from an aftermarket.
Speaker 3: From the brand supplier, you know, basically, and that was in the car originally. And I say that because you
know later down the road, if you have other problems, whether then they can use that against you.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you used after market. That's the reason why
this happens. But they can't. But here's the thing I
think I told you guys before. I know certain parts
for certain cars that I know not to use, uh anything after market. I one this is not that it
matters anymore, but one that comes right off the top of my head, and most you hot rodders know this, and if you'd never heard it and this is your first time. Just know the Opti spark was the biggest
piece of junk there ever was. They had it on
the trans and what the older trans ams. They had
on some of the corvettes. Uh. I think it was
even some of the Chebvy trucks that might have had it.
I could be wrong. I don't know, but I remember.
I remember I chased on trans Amazon corvettes the most back in the day, and it was junk. And you
could buy the aftermarket and you could put on the car and it lasted at the most a year and failed again. If you bought the dealership one, you it
was a one time job. You put it on and
it never gave you a problem. If you put the
aftermarket on, that guy was back in your shop every year and you're fixing it under warranty.
Speaker 4: Well that's how I am with like coil packs, you know, spark plugs. I'm like, okay, put the OEM ones in you.
Speaker 2: But when it comes it means if.
Speaker 4: You put the dealer ones on or you don't know that you just got till it says OEM on it.
But you know it's after market. I know it's not
for market. But when it comes to like the side parts.
You know, I'm like, I tell the shop, just do what you think is best. You know, if if you
think it's going to get it, take my car to a shop. I am understand. Like the way that the
conversation started, I understand when I'm taking it to a dealership.
There is no option for aftermarket part dealer.
Speaker 2: Any reason why people choose mom and pop shops or probably owned shops, because now you have that choice at a dealership, you only have one choice. The dealership's not
calling AutoZone, NAPA, Advance, whatever insert here. They're not calling
them and getting apart from they're gonna put their part on it, and if they don't have in stock, you're gonna wait until they get it.
Speaker 3: I just think aftermarket parts are a good idea for order cars. But if you have something brand news, you
should probably still be using the brand associated with you.
Speaker 2: But you know Blue, when Blues engine went bad, Blues our pickup truck we're restoring. When the engine went bad,
I could have went and got an engine from anywhere.
I didn't. I called the dealership and said, send us
an engine block right from the dealer, And everybody's like why are you doing that? It's more money because that's
what I want. That's just I'm weird about it. And
I was like, and then I had to get all the components that I wanted to replace to go with it.
I was like, call the dealership, make sure we get everything from the dealer. Put it back together. You know
another one that's weird about that. Kurt's the same way. Yeah,
he only likes dealer parts replace.
Speaker 3: So when you use actual like OEM pars from dealer, then you know what's doing exactly what's supposed to do.
There is no you know, big problems that might become associated with.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you. Here's the thing. Choices are great.
That's the reason why I go with you know, with mom and pop shops. The warranty things is where the
problem is. I got to take another quick coniversial break.
I'll get a little bit more into it. Hold tight,
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You're automotive specialists. Now back to your host Dave Fulach.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So if you've been following along,
we've been talking about the aftermarket world a little bit.
Warrant the way the warranties play into the delay on parts, the back order on parts, and and that kind of came in. It started kind of with the fact that
I had the problem with the truck and order and apart, and then it went with somebody else's Heyday comment, which kind of fit in. One of the things we were
just talking about at the era was is okay, I'll give you a perfect example. We were talking about using
true OEM part factory from the dealer OEM versus OEM equivalent from a man from a manufacturer. And the dealer
is a standard right aftermarket, it's not really a standard.
So here's I'll tell you how the difference works. I
in my automotive career, I had to buy a motor. Okay,
so and I had and I had to buy the motor because the guy had a crack in his oil pan.
So I called an order, order an oil pan, and I got it from a I'm not gonna say the part supplier, but a genuine auto supplier that's I trusted.
I got it. It looks the same, it seems to
be great. We put it on the vehicle, and I
think within about three months the vehicle came back to me and the motor was having problems, and I'm like, okay, well, I just put an oil pan on it like, They're like, well, I'm losing oil pressure. So I'm like, okay. The first
thing I thought was the gasket. No, I was like, okay,
so oil pump was there? Something came apart and the
oil pump got stuffed up or whatever. So took down
the oil pan, took a look at it. Didn't see
anything in the oil pump. Cnblright. I didn't see anything
stopped up in the filter or anything like that. Then
I started I measure the difference. I was like, is
the difference in the pan different where the oil pump is now touching maybe too close to the bottom of the pan, working harder and starving itself for it? Is
that what the problem was, and the distances were the same.
What it came down to, believe it or not, was inside the pan. The baffle were a little different inside
the pan. And what we figured out was the oil.
And it took a little cleverness to figure this out.
The oil, if you've never seen it, was it was air ate in itself. The baffles were different in the pan,
and the oil would air ate and when it would air rate, and it took a while to make it happen.
But when it did. Of course, then the vehicle was
start for oil presure because it wasn't getting oil because it was aired. And if you know how that works, basically,
it's just you're taking a liquid and turning it more into a foam and then it's not doing its job.
And about to say, can I get the definition it was starving for oil. Now everybody's like, why didn't you
guys catch it when you first put it on. No,
because if you start the car and you let the car sit there and run, if you took it for a test drive, oil pressure was fine. It's only after
you got the car like basically up on the freeway and you ran it for a while and it's really whipping that motor around that would basically think about putting it in the oil like you put milk in a blender, okay, and then when he hit it and it starts foam.
Same thing with the oil is doing the exact same thing.
And then the oil pressure was dropping out. Well, customers
not sitting there stairs at oil pressure. It's just not
what they're doing. They're driving their cars on. There's people
who drive a car don't realize it has any problem to a check engine light pops on, it makes a noise where the vehicle stops moving. It just what happens
for most people. I end up eating that motor, and
rightfully sowed to a certain degree, but not at no fault of our own back in the day, because the pan matches up, the holes match up, saying depth looks all right, It's just they change the baffles in the way that's little gaves inside the pants baffled inside where it holds oil to one side or whatever. The way
that it was set up was. It wasn't hugely different,
but obviously it was enough that it made the difference in it, and it starved that motor for oil. And
that's what the problem was. Now. I would have never
in a million years ever really thought about that until I had this problem. Obviously, I was put in the
position to try to figure out what happened. And that's
what we determined, because like I said, it wouldn't start to lose pressure until you drove it. And then when
we pulled the pan down, the oils all phony inside, and I'm like, it is it's literally airy and the oil inside it.
Speaker 4: So I got a question taking us into a different a little bit of a different topic, but it relates to it. Do you think with the technology of vancing
in cars, we're going to now see where we're going to have to start putting more dealership or more OEM parts on the vehicle because of the technology is going to now start.
Speaker 2: So here's yes, and no, I know that right now we run into a little bit where a lot of parts haven't been released out into the aftermarket, so you're stuck having to buy parts to the dealership because the replacement part isn't available in some of your part suppliers yet.
So we do run into that on vehicles nowadays. Okay,
this happens, and I can tell you because you guys know, I like to do a lot of my own work here at my own garage on the property, and nobody has a part, and the only person that has a part is the dealer. And I'm like, how you would think,
I mean, the cars you know, a couple of years old.
Now you think i'd be able to get that part and you still can't get that part. So yes, I
know we're running over They made me start thinking about it.
Speaker 4: Was Nate and I was having a conversation the other day and we have random conversations at like two three am in the morning, and he just turned to me and he was like, Hey, did you know that Tesla's oil filters have a chip in it and the way He was like, yeah, you can only use it because it tells it like how how it works.
Speaker 2: And then I started thinking. I was like, that's what
I started thinking.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, man, I was like, it's the technology like you know, all of our our mom and pop shop. So I was like, how is that going
to affect them? I was like, because now you can't
just put a regular oil filter on it.
Speaker 2: Its old filter into it. Just so you'all know, I'm
a little baffled. Why does the Tesla have an oil filter?
It's electric car. It makes sense. I guarantee thet filter too,
probably to their generator, their their power he told me about.
I was like, well, I said that's I would have never known it had it. And then I started thinking
about it. Never got a chance to ask. I'm like,
what does the oil filter go to? Because it's electric motor,
so what do they oil do you have to change?
You know? Who would be the person asked that, Scott.
If you guys don't know Courthouse import, they do tons of Tesla work. They're well deep into the EV game.
They're here in the hamp Roads area. He would be
the probably had the answer for me. I'll be the
first one to tell you. I'm not to call them tomorrow.
I don't now had to call them. I'm not truly
versed in every single thing electric vehicle. I just I
haven't had to put my hands on them. It's after
It's a little bit after my time. Because when I
was working on cars on the regular, evs were still very new. Now they're becoming more commonplace, and I'm not
in that market. They put my hands started thinking about
I thought it was okay.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna have to, like, next time I see my Nappa shops, I'm gonna have to ask them. You know,
what have you seen change? You know in these newer
vehicles and as technologies advancing, you know, has anything really changed with the parts that you're putting on the cars or anything that's been restricting you you know, because I remember when transmissions were coming out and there was chips and transmissions.
Speaker 2: There is to put in a certain transmission for it.
So if you all don't know, there is GPS chips and transmissions, and everybody's like, one, there is, there's GPS chips and transmission. Everybody goes why, just like you had
the same Reactually, why is the terrain or something? It
is literally it's calculating your latitude, longitude, and your elevation and it adjusts the torques and the transmission based upon if you're going uphills, downhills or whatever. It adjusts that
on the fly. I didn't know that for years until
I went to a seminar that talked about the new transmission designs were coming out and they start explaining. They're like, well,
what it does is, let's say you live in flatland.
The transmission used a certain amount of torque and stuff like that in flat areas, but if you live up in the mountains, the transmission needs a little bit different setting, so it adjusts that on the fly through the computer with the GPS. And I was like wow, and they're
like yeah, it really messes us up because we actually have to move that stuff over when we build transmissions because that's coded to that vehicle. So that's no kid.
Speaker 4: It was like, my next question was going to be like, well, now do the shops have to have a whole different and I should probably ask them that time I see them.
Speaker 2: Last week.
Speaker 4: Do they now have to have like shirt technology shirtain computers to now go into what used to be just a basic regular change of the part and go in program Absolutely so now.
Speaker 2: Transmissions and set up and stuff are so programmed like it is crazy. So obviously what I'm looking at is
not a typical oil filter.
Speaker 3: It's more like cooling and to help with basically like I guess uh, air quality needs wise.
Speaker 2: So it's not it's not a typical oil filter. So
it's just it's like more of an air filter of research.
Speaker 3: It's more like for fluid wise to kind of keep the temperature down.
Speaker 2: Scott, I figure what it's a little more deep.
Speaker 1: Dive on that.
Speaker 4: It's I was just thinking of it, you know, it was just like well, now, like what made me really think about it was breaks. I was like, you know,
brakes used to be you just take off the roador take off the pads, put brand new roador put a brand new pads. Now as technology is advance and you know,
now the car knows what parts are on the car.
Speaker 2: Can you put away on it or do you have to code it for those new parts. Certainly there's a
brake system that you actually have to reprogram to take the brakes apart. It has to be reprogrammed for the
breaking system to work right. So we're already seeing that
in cars and stuff. And I got a whole I
can't know what car it was, but somebody sent me the whole media pack on it. I want to say
it was Mercedes. And I know, uh, Toyota for their
emergency brake system has to be program turning on off for you to be able to just do anything with the brakes. Maybe i'll I know, I know that, I
know if that one's there's a lot of ones, but there is certain things that be programmed. But yeah, you're
running into where the cars now have to be programmed. Crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Back in the day where you just swapped the part out and you were done with it. Uh, those days,
like I said, have come and gone. Now almost everything
has to reset or reprogram, which is weird. It's an
automatic transmission filter, so that's whirdness. It's not your chemical
oil filter. You're not talking about a motor oil. You're
talking about trades. Actually, just so in case anybody had
a little couple of questions. But you know, you know,
I'm gonna call Scott and be like, can you tell me some of the filters you got in this microshift thing, because now I'm like, I'm intriguing and I don't And I'll be honest, I just don't know. I don't. I
don't own it, Evie yet. Maybe one day I'll own one.
I don't know. I'm I'm still resisting it. And like
I said, if I own one, it it had to be something like the plaid version of the test. We're
just waiting for it to show up. Elon just I
know you're busy with Doze and everything, but if you can go ahead and you know, get those cars sent to us. We've been waiting in your buddies. We've been
evasionally waiting to say. While you call Scott, I'm gonna
call Stacey. It's mean at that Master Tech be like,
well have you seen change and technology? Or called Cameron
door chests speeding me like, hey, what what have you seen every year?
Speaker 4: You know, like what's changed in technology wise? It's just
it just baffles me.
Speaker 2: On how I said, if you're trying dealing with it, if you're not dealing with it, every day, and I'm not because I just had no reason to. Now I'm
curious because I just don't know, and now I need to have that answer. I got to give you a
quick commercial break. When we come back, we'll finish this
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Now back to your host, Dave Polac.
Speaker 2: Well, come back. So before we had a commercial break,
we were talking about technology in the changing in technology.
Do I think that, uh, we're gonna go down a really interesting road in the next ten years in technology on cars? One percent? Do I believe that electric vehicles
is the way of the future. I don't, And I
know a lot of people will argue with me on that.
A lot of green people that are more green than I am, will definitely argue with me on that. And
the reason why is because I will stick to my guns and once again and say those who want an EV will go buy one. I believe a lot of
them already own them. Those who are traditionalists and like
a gasoline motor are gonna want to stick with that regardless of what we say, do or how better it may be for them. I'm not arguing those points with you, guys,
power It's not It's not an argument. I I always
feel like somebody feels like they want to have it argument with me about it. I'm like, I'm not arguing
with you. I understand the importance of electric vehicle. I
do believe how green you believe it is. I don't
believe it's as green as you think it is right this second, considering the fact that you know, we're using you know, cold power the generators that charge the cars in a lot of place. I mean, there's I guess
I could joke about all that stuff all you know, you know, guys, in our stand I am joking, But there is some truth to a lot of that stuff. Uh,
the fact that it a lot of months a bunch to produce the materials to make the cars, and we're still using diesel and gasoline motors for the equipment that does all that. So it's a trickle down I think.
I always just feel like we are just shoveling it down the road to the next problem, you know, I mean, we're never really solving the problem. That's my true belief, right.
I don't have anything against electric cars. I told you
guys I would interestedly own one. I've been a supporter
of Tesla for years, I believe, but I've also approached it.
If you guys listened to the show up, I don't approach them as a car company. I approach him as
a technology company. And that's the reason why I find
it interesting because I understand the advance of technology. A
lot of stuff has come from that, and I can get rally behind that. A lot of people are focused
on the fact of it being a car company, and I've never focused on it being a car company. I
think it's a stepping stone.
Speaker 3: I think you know, there's a lot of development going into it that will carry over to other categories, say, like you said, generators, scooters that make it more accessible and easy for other people to use it that don't want to use it.
Speaker 2: Has come down on things, right, So I mean if you all have don't look, I look at everything because I get so maybe because we get so much stuff sent to us in the media category of things like I can remember when an electric scooter was really expensive, right, you can get a pretty fast electric scooter for pretty cheap nowadays. I mean it's nowhere, clothes, I mean we're
not it's not even in the ballpark with the price used to be.
Speaker 3: And the development came from, you know, putting them in the cars, and you have people to.
Speaker 2: Rally behind it. Absolutely. You guys heard me use the
term of look at where big big screen TVs were and how expensive they were when the flash screen TV first come out. Look we're at now. I mean I
remember people in paying ten grand for a flast screen TV.
Now you you know, get a pretty decent one for five hundred and some odd dollars. I mean that's how
technology is advanced so much that now the pricing has come down to I still believe that needs to happen on cars for you all. Y'all. They are going to
send me hate mail because I said that I've supported Tesla and I like Tesla. Uh, don't forget. I also
said that I thought Lucid Motor was a really cool car when we got the up close look, got to check it all out and stuff like that. The boys
got to see it too. Very cool car it is.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a Tesla in a in a Lucid or two totally different cars on a spectrum that's very far. I think that Lucid's a very
luxury electric car. I think Tesla is a very equipped car,
and they focus on a lot of different other things.
Once again, they're not a car company. Their technology Company's
probably reason wy they're focus on.
Speaker 3: I can see it becoming more of like a daily use type scenario, more like being used for taxis so you knowing the city or that's.
Speaker 2: Where the money is, right, So I want I've always talked about the agree. I really believe in electric vehicles
and stuff like that. The money all that kind of stuff.
That's where it makes sense that technology, that's right, That's where the technology side makes sense. It doesn't make sense
to force people to have them. That that I'm just
not for that, because, like I said, those who want them want them. Those who don't should have the right
not to, and it just is what it is. Now.
Do I believe that you should tax people because they don't want one to even higher, which is basically still forcing them to have one. I think that's completely wrong
on that note as well. So you handle however you
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I get tangled up in this conversation all the time, like I got. I got caught up in a conversation
recently on one of the forms where somebody said, we don't talk about kit cars enough and like we're more of a hot ride show, and I went, what depends on what the week is. Uh, what we're talking about
is it is just because he love I was like, I was like, you literally poked the wrong guy on that one. I love kit cars. Here's what I like
about kit cars. I figured, I don't talk to me
about to day about he is the other side of that.
Here's what I think you will agree with me on kit cars though. I believe that when kit cars were
made on a regular our technology sucked. Okay, we're just
stuck within the bounds of three D dimension.
Speaker 3: Well, you were stuck in the bounds of what manufacturing was pushing towards you. I feel like kit cars were
more of a project man's car. You can make it
what you wanted to, but you couldn't. That was the
proble thing.
Speaker 2: So no, and I think that's where the separation for you and I, and I think you and I have can find common ground on that. I think we were
just stuck in three D right and now with technology, it's creation is endless. Okay, with three D printers and
all that kind of stuff, you could take a what somewhat I believed in Nathaniel Go, I don't like that a cool kit car, and you could do so much more with it now because the technico, you can do that wide body, wider fenders on it and make it more cool. But you were stuck in like this. Everything
felt like a tub. And I agree with you. When
you and I had that conversation, everything kind of looked like it fed withinside. This day the diameter correct and
nobody stepped outside that okay, and everybody's like, well, my car went in like this, yeah, but essentially it was still this tub. You just curved it in on that
same tub platform. My only rublic kit cars is when
people try to make actual cars kit and a replica though.
Speaker 3: Well, right, or care or replica, but when they try to manufacture it to a car that's already out there, or when they try to okay, you know.
Speaker 2: But I will disagree with you on that as far as the guy okay.
Speaker 3: Right, the common guy that wants to have something like that for the first a guy that wants to.
Speaker 2: Have a Classic GT forty, Like you know, I love that car, right, I like this, Like with the sixty six g T forty, I love it. I'm never gonna
own an original because I'm just too cheap. I would
never spend that money. Even if I decided, okay, fine,
I'm just gonna spend the money, the million dollars, I'm gonna buy one. Everybody goes, yeah, you want to do that.
I could, but I had to convince my wife first, and that probably would never happen. But for the guy
who wants that, I'm not gonna buy a kit car, I would go buy the replica where they're remaking that body and all that kind of stuff. I feel it's
all different.
Speaker 3: Quarter of that price, right because a replica, they're the whole purpose of the replica is to match what the original was.
Speaker 2: Like, there's a difference between a kit car Laborghini and a replica Laborgine. Okay, for the kuntash, like, I've seen
some ones that are really nice. Now I know the
difference because I can open up and I can get the queuing points and go, okay, I know this is a little different, but you'd have to you would have to know that car flawlessy. Sometimes you can park like
I just watched this video. A guy parked a fake
kuntash right next to a real one, and ninety percent of the people didn't know the difference. But I think
but the guy that the guys that didn't know that car inside now knew what to look for to find out what was different, but the average person had no clue.
Speaker 3: And which is okay, as long as you're not I got you, as long as as long as you're not taking around propping it up as something that's not.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't like when people put your gadget on.
You know, I don't know, but you know, I don't like you.
Speaker 8: Guy.
Speaker 2: This guy who owned one knew that this guy was propping it up as being something that is not It wasn't.
And he kept and like he was really kind of douchey about it, guys, and like, and he was like, I have a real one. I know that this is
And the guy was like, you don't know nothing, and then and he was like and then he ran home to go get his real one. By the time he
got there, the guy wasn't there anything that's a good movie, Like I have one of these. I'll just go get
mine and bring it over and part next it's.
Speaker 3: Just like it's just like when you like get a you know, a car that looks the same, but you're throwing you know the top badge on it.
Speaker 2: Saying Okay, so I've told you guys what my interest is in a kit car, And the reason why I like kit cars is I like I'm a driver. I
like to drive things. I would love to own a Coontash.
I will never spend the money with it, whatever cost to own a real one, but I wouldn't mind owning a replica Coontosh that looks like I said it there eighty percent there, so I can wheel it, bag on it, beat on it, and have no remorse for doing so.
That's kind of my interest in something like that because I know you give me a Cuntosh replica and I can tell you right now you can drive right and I'm I'm not gonna be it's meant to be driven.
I'm not saying I'm gonna go out there and purposely tear it up, but I'm not sling around some corners.
I'm gonna let it kind of slide in the corner, maybe drift a little bit. Every once. I'm going to
play with that car and have some fun. I would
never in a million years do that with the real thing because of the cost of it. But at twenty
five percent of the cost of it to build one. Yeah,
I'm good with it. Like, let's let's have some fun.
I went to a car show. You were with us.
The Kuntash. We saw that was painted like almost like
the Ford Majestic, that color transparent blue, that changed the color, you know. I saw it. It was a kit car,
but it was I would say it was eighty five percent there. I looked at it and went, man, this
is really cool. As soon as I looked inside, there
was some cues to it that I knew that it was a kit car, even though it wasn't presented one way or the other. By the way, I knew it
was a kit car, but I thought it was cool.
I would own that in a heartbeat, and I would drive it and I would have fun with it. And
I think that's where I am. I think a lot
of guys don't want to spend the money, but they want to have that. And so hey, don't ever say
that I'm not in the kit cars. I'm one of
your guys's biggest advocates. I love them. It's this guy
that always gives me a hard time about it. No, guys,
I gotta go ahead and get out of here. It
has been a great show. I hope that we talk
about some things you guys are interested in. If you
got a topic and something that comes up, Hey, shout it out to us. We'll look it up. We'll talk
about it if it's something interesting. If it's not Alec nor
you no, I'm kidding, numb on wow. On that note,
keep your guys' schedule open, keep on looking for the car shows in your guys area. I'll keep on listening
to the ones we plan on going to. Like I said,
we're gonna be all over the place, hitting everything. You
guys got anything before we get out of here. Enjoy
your week Enjoy your weekend, and I hope you guys have a good one. All right, guys. On that note,
we're gonna go to get out of here. Remember it
is Saturday. Enjoy your Sunday. It is right around the corner.
Turn off your TV, spend some time with your kids, hide their cell phone, fires up on the grill, even playboard game with them. They'll love you for it in
the end. And we're gonna get out here and I'll
talk to you soon.
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