Do Race Cars Sell Road Cars? — The Carmudgeon Show w/ Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott — Ep 225
About this episode
Exploring the age-old adage 'race on Sunday, sell on Monday,' Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott delve into its relevance in today's automotive landscape. They discuss various brands, including Mercedes, BMW, and Toyota, and analyze how race success translates to sales. The conversation highlights the disconnect between motorsport achievements and consumer interest, using examples like the CLK DTM and the broader implications for brands in the market. With humor and insightful commentary, the hosts dissect the complexities of automotive branding and performance.
Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series
"Don't acknowledge the CLK63 AMG Black Series manual or the CLK DTM AMG that are behind us."
The CLK63 AMG Black Series is a special version of a Mercedes-Benz car designed for speed and performance. It has a strong engine and is built to handle well on the road or track.
The Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series is a high-performance version of the CLK-Class coupe, featuring a powerful V8 engine and enhanced handling characteristics. It's known for its aggressive styling and track-focused performance.
Hagerty
"Hagerty is an insurance company for enthusiasts, for drivers, by drivers."
Hagerty is a company that offers insurance specifically for car lovers, especially those who own classic or collectible cars. They understand the special needs of these types of vehicles.
Hagerty is a well-known insurance company that specializes in providing coverage for classic and collectible cars. They cater specifically to automotive enthusiasts and offer tailored policies that consider the unique value of these vehicles.
race on Sunday, sell on Monday
"This episode is about the philosophy of race on Sunday, sell on Monday."
This saying means that car companies often use their success in racing to sell more cars to regular people. If a car does well in races, it makes people want to buy that car.
The phrase 'race on Sunday, sell on Monday' refers to the marketing strategy where manufacturers use their success in motorsports to boost sales of their consumer vehicles. It highlights the connection between racing and the performance image of cars sold to the public.
Ferrari
"...We talk about Ferrari. We talk about Lamborghini."
Ferrari is a well-known Italian car brand that makes very fast and expensive sports cars. They are famous for their racing history.
Ferrari is an Italian luxury sports car manufacturer known for its high-performance vehicles and success in motorsport, particularly Formula 1. The brand is synonymous with speed and exclusivity.
Lamborghini
"...We talk about Lamborghini. We talk about Subaru."
Lamborghini is another famous Italian car brand known for making super-fast sports cars with bold designs. They are very popular among car enthusiasts.
Lamborghini is an Italian manufacturer of high-performance sports cars and SUVs, recognized for their aggressive designs and powerful engines. Models like the Aventador and Huracán are iconic in the supercar world.
NASCAR
"NASCAR, big three. DTM British saloon car champion."
NASCAR is a type of car racing that happens mostly in the United States. It involves specially designed cars racing on circular tracks at very high speeds.
NASCAR, or the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing, is a popular motorsport organization in the United States known for its stock car racing series. It features high-speed races on oval tracks and has a dedicated fan base.
DTM
"DTM British saloon car champion. Rover. Formula one."
DTM is a car racing series from Germany where modified cars race against each other. It's known for exciting races and advanced car technology.
DTM, or Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters, is a touring car racing series based in Germany. It features modified production cars competing on various tracks and is known for its close racing and technical innovation.
Formula One
"Formula one. Rover makes a present. Yeah, this is very much a brand agnostic exercise."
Formula One is a top-level car racing series where very fast cars compete in races all over the world. It's known for its advanced technology and exciting races.
Formula One is the highest class of single-seater auto racing, known for its high-speed cars and prestigious races held around the world. It features advanced technology and is considered the pinnacle of motorsport.
Roadster
"I mean, one is a Roadster and one is a Coupe. That is true."
A Roadster is a car that usually has two seats and can have its roof taken off, letting you drive with the top down. They are often sporty and fun to drive.
A Roadster is a type of car that is typically two-seater and features a convertible top, allowing it to be driven with the roof down. Roadsters are known for their sporty characteristics and open-air driving experience.
Coupe
"I mean, one is a Roadster and one is a Coupe. That is true."
A Coupe is a type of car that usually has a fixed roof and two doors. They often look sporty and are designed for performance.
A Coupe is a car design characterized by a fixed roof, two doors, and a sporty profile. Coupes often prioritize style and performance, making them popular among car enthusiasts.
Cabriolet
"Do they call it a Roadster? Sorry, Cabriolet. Yes, okay. Cabriolet."
A Cabriolet is a car that has a roof that can be opened or closed. It's like a convertible, which means you can drive it with the top down on nice days.
A Cabriolet is a type of car body style that features a folding or retractable roof, allowing it to be driven with the top down. This term is often used interchangeably with 'convertible', though Cabriolet specifically refers to models that may have a more elegant design.
Volkswagen Cabrio
"Yes, if it's a Volkswagen Cabrio, mark three and a half. It's a Cabriolet."
The Volkswagen Cabrio is a small convertible car that was popular in the 1990s. It's known for being fun to drive and has a classic look.
The Volkswagen Cabrio is a convertible version of the Volkswagen Golf, known for its compact size and fun driving experience. It was popular in the 1990s and is often appreciated for its classic styling.
CLK DTM
"Anyway, that's a CLK DTM will be for sale at the Broad Arrow auctions at Amelia Auction."
The CLK DTM is a special, high-performance version of the Mercedes-Benz CLK. It's designed for speed and handling, inspired by a racing series in Germany.
The Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM is a high-performance version of the CLK-Class, inspired by the DTM (Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters) racing series. It features a powerful engine and sport-tuned suspension, making it a sought-after model among enthusiasts.
Broad Arrow auctions
"at the Broad Arrow auctions at Amelia Auction."
Broad Arrow Auctions is a place where people can buy and sell special cars through bidding. It's like an auction for car lovers.
Broad Arrow Auctions is a company that specializes in auctioning classic and collectible cars. They host events where buyers can bid on unique vehicles, often attracting car enthusiasts and collectors.
Amelia Island Concorde
"Broad Arrow auctions at the Amelia Island Concorde."
The Amelia Island Concorde is a big car event in Florida where people show off and buy special cars. It's popular among car fans and collectors.
The Amelia Island Concorde is an annual automotive event held in Amelia Island, Florida, featuring a prestigious car show and auctions. It attracts collectors and enthusiasts from around the world to showcase and bid on classic and exotic cars.
Mercedes-Benz CLK
"... is that no one thinks, no one hears the letters CLK and thinks, hmm, race car in the same way that t..."
The Mercedes-Benz CLK is a stylish coupe that offers a nice driving experience. It's considered a luxury car and is popular for its good looks and comfort.
The Mercedes-Benz CLK is a luxury coupe that was produced from the late 1990s to the early 2010s, known for its elegant design and performance. It is often discussed for its combination of style and driving enjoyment.
Black Series
"...the right letters being potentially DTM, BS, Black Series or perhaps GTR."
Black Series is a name Mercedes-Benz uses for its fastest and most powerful cars. These cars are built to be better on the racetrack and have special features to make them more fun to drive.
The Black Series is a designation used by Mercedes-Benz for its high-performance models that are designed for track use and enhanced driving dynamics. These vehicles typically feature more powerful engines, lighter weight, and improved handling characteristics compared to their standard counterparts.
Mercedes-Benz SLK 55 Black Series
"Europe got an SLK 55 Black Series first, so we didn't get it. So this was the genesis of the Black Series badge and name in the US."
The SLK 55 Black Series is a special, more powerful version of the Mercedes-Benz SLK sports car. It is designed for better performance and handling, making it more exciting to drive.
The Mercedes-Benz SLK 55 Black Series is a high-performance variant of the SLK roadster, known for its enhanced power and sporty features. It represents a more aggressive and track-focused version of the standard SLK 55 model.
Mercedes-Benz SL
"... done that? In the 1950s, they did that, the 300 SL, for example. Fair point."
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a stylish convertible sports car that's very luxurious. People often talk about it because it's a great mix of comfort and speed.
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a luxury roadster known for its elegant design and high-performance capabilities. It has a storied history and is often discussed in the context of luxury sports cars.
Mercedes-Benz 190E
"Fair point. And the 190E, they did a reasonable job of that. Especially i..."
The Mercedes-Benz 190E is an older luxury car that many people loved for its quality and style. It's still talked about today because it represents a classic era of Mercedes cars.
The Mercedes-Benz 190E is a compact executive car that was produced in the 1980s and 1990s, known for its solid build quality and performance. It has a loyal following among enthusiasts and is often discussed for its classic design and engineering.
Mercedes-AMG GT
"that they did with the AMG GT. It has genuine sporting intent."
The Mercedes-AMG GT is a fast sports car made by Mercedes-Benz. It's designed for performance and has features that make it great for driving on tracks.
The Mercedes-AMG GT is a high-performance sports car known for its powerful engine, sleek design, and track-oriented capabilities, embodying the brand's racing heritage.
C209
"So these are both C209s. There were two generations of CLKs. The first generation is C208. And then there's-"
C209 is just a code name used by Mercedes-Benz to identify a specific version of the CLK car. It's like a model number that helps people know which version they're talking about.
C209 is the internal designation for the second generation of the Mercedes-Benz CLK, which includes various models produced from 2002 to 2010. This generation is known for its updated design and improved technology compared to the previous version.
C208
"There were two generations of CLKs. The first generation is C208. And then there's-"
C208 is another code name used by Mercedes-Benz for the first version of the CLK car. It's a way to identify that specific model from the earlier years.
C208 is the internal designation for the first generation of the Mercedes-Benz CLK, produced from 1997 to 2002. This generation set the foundation for the CLK's reputation as a stylish and sporty coupe.
Mercedes-Benz Cclass
"and the first one was based on the 202. The car, the C-Class, the first ever car that was named the C-Class,"
The Mercedes-Benz C-Class is a smaller luxury car that's comfortable and has a lot of nice features. It's a good choice for people who want a fancy car without going for the biggest models.
The Mercedes-Benz C-Class is a compact executive car that offers a blend of luxury, performance, and technology. It serves as an entry point into the Mercedes-Benz lineup and is often discussed for its balance of quality and affordability.
Mercedes-Benz 202
"The 202? The 202, defecated on everything."
The Mercedes-Benz 202 is a model of car that came after the 190E. It was made in the 1990s and was designed to be comfortable and high-tech.
The Mercedes-Benz 202 refers to the second generation of the C-Class, produced from 1993 to 2000. It was known for its comfort and technology, but it did not achieve the same motorsport success as its predecessor, the 190E.
Mercedes-Benz 201
"The 201. But they never offered a really sporting road car."
The Mercedes-Benz 201 is an earlier model of the C-Class, made in the 1980s and early 1990s. It was popular for its quality and performance.
The Mercedes-Benz 201 refers to the first generation of the C-Class, produced from 1982 to 1993. It was a compact executive car that laid the groundwork for future models and was known for its engineering and performance.
BMW M3
"...the M3 versus the C-43 or the C-36. And it was the same thing when C-OK came out."
The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty car that is part of the BMW 3 Series. It's designed for performance and is popular among car lovers.
The BMW M3 is a high-performance version of the BMW 3 Series, known for its sporty handling and powerful engines. It has been a favorite among enthusiasts since its introduction in the 1980s.
C-36
"...the M3 versus the C-43 or the C-36. And it was the same thing when C-OK came out."
The C-36 is an older performance version of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class. It was made to be faster and sportier than regular C-Class cars.
The Mercedes-Benz C-36 was an early performance model of the C-Class, developed by AMG. It offered enhanced performance features compared to standard models, making it a precursor to the more modern AMG variants.
Ford Monde
"...ish touring car racing, right? You just choose a Ford Monde or a Nissan Primera or whatever sort of boring p..."
The Ford Mondeo is a medium-sized car that's good for families and everyday use. It's known for being comfortable and reliable.
The Ford Mondeo is a midsize car that has been popular in Europe for its practicality and comfort. It is often discussed in the context of family vehicles and everyday driving.
Mercedes-Benz Aclass
"But on the other hand, it's not like they ever took the A-class racing or like Audi did an A1 race series."
The Mercedes-Benz A-Class is a small car that has a lot of nice features and is considered a good starting point for people who want a luxury car. It's popular with younger drivers.
The Mercedes-Benz A-Class is a compact hatchback that serves as an entry-level model in the Mercedes lineup. It is often discussed for its blend of luxury features and practicality, appealing to younger buyers.
Toyota Camry
"... started recording this episode, you brought our Camry. We're charging them by the hour, hours."
The Toyota Camry is a popular car that many people choose because it's reliable and gets good gas mileage. It's a comfortable car that works well for families and everyday driving.
The Toyota Camry is a midsize sedan known for its reliability, comfort, and fuel efficiency. It has been one of the best-selling cars in the United States for decades, making it a significant player in the automotive market. Its reputation for dependability often leads to discussions about practical family vehicles.
BMW 325Is
"... of cars, I don't think E30M3 sold all that many 325Is in the US. Yes, because it's a mainstream car"
The BMW 3 Series is a small luxury car that's known for being fun to drive and very comfortable. It's popular with people who want a nice car that also performs well.
The BMW 3 Series is a compact executive car that has been a benchmark for performance and luxury in its class for decades. It is frequently discussed for its driving dynamics and status as a favorite among enthusiasts.
Porsche 911
"...rformance is probably smaller than say a Porsche 911. A significant portion of the buyers of 911."
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that looks really cool and drives very fast. It's known for being a high-quality car that many people dream of owning.
The Porsche 911 is an iconic sports car known for its distinctive design and exceptional performance. It has a rich history dating back to the 1960s and is often regarded as one of the best sports cars in the world, making it a frequent topic of discussion among car enthusiasts.
Mercedes-Benz Sclass
"I have the price guide. The woman who purchased it could have had an S-class, for the same amount of money."
The Mercedes-Benz S-Class is a super fancy car that's really comfortable and has a lot of high-tech features. People often talk about it when discussing luxury cars because it's one of the best.
The Mercedes-Benz S-Class is a flagship luxury sedan that represents the pinnacle of automotive technology and comfort. It is often equipped with the latest features and innovations, making it a benchmark for luxury vehicles and a common reference point in discussions about high-end cars.
Subaru WRX
"of most commonly ticketed cars, the GTI and the WRX are always kind of near the top. It's a car that..."
The Subaru WRX is a sporty car that can drive really well in all kinds of weather because it has all-wheel drive. It's popular with people who like fast cars and racing.
The Subaru WRX is a high-performance compact car known for its all-wheel-drive system and rally-inspired design. It has a strong following among car enthusiasts and is often discussed in the context of performance and driving excitement.
Toyota Supra
"...w, we constantly make fun of Subaru drivers. The Supras made some great charming cars for the years. But..."
The Toyota Supra is a cool sports car that's known for being fast and fun to drive. Many people love it because it looks great and can be made even faster with upgrades.
The Toyota Supra is a legendary sports car that has gained a cult following for its performance and tuning potential. Originally launched in the 1970s, the Supra has undergone several generations and is often celebrated for its powerful engines and sleek design.
Ford Contour
"...now, the sort of image that we have that sort of contours and likes. Yeah, they've cultivated an image for..."
The Ford Contour is a small car that was made in the 1990s. It's known for being comfortable and practical, but it's not as popular today.
The Ford Contour is a compact car that was produced in the 1990s, known for its comfortable ride and practicality. While it has largely faded from the market, it is sometimes discussed for its role in Ford's lineup during that era.
Toyota 4Runner
".... And that's why I wanted to bring up the Toyota 4Runner because there's a few nameplates out there"
The Toyota 4Runner is a tough SUV that can handle rough roads and off-road adventures. It's a great choice for people who like to explore and need a reliable vehicle.
The Toyota 4Runner is a rugged SUV known for its off-road capabilities and durability. It has a loyal fan base and is often discussed in the context of adventure and outdoor activities.
Land Rover Range Rover
"...4Runner does this, the Mercedes G does this, the Range Rover does this, the Porsche 911 does this, Subaru has..."
The Range Rover is a fancy SUV that's really good at driving off-road but also has a lot of luxury features inside. People often talk about it because it's both stylish and capable.
The Land Rover Range Rover is a luxury SUV that combines off-road capability with high-end features and comfort. It is often seen as a status symbol and is frequently discussed in the context of luxury and adventure.
Toyota Gr86
"or whether it's the... Whether it's a GR86 or which doesn't make any sense at all. Or if it..."
The Toyota GR 86 is a small sports car that's fun to drive and not too expensive. It's made for people who love the thrill of driving and want a car that feels sporty.
The Toyota GR 86 is a lightweight sports coupe designed for driving enthusiasts, offering a balance of performance and affordability. It is known for its engaging driving experience and has become popular among those who appreciate a pure sports car feel.
Toyota Corolla
"...nner doesn't conceptually align that well with a Corolla. But the thing that you get to is dependability,..."
The Toyota Corolla is a small car that's very reliable and gets good gas mileage. It's a popular choice for people who want a dependable car for everyday use.
The Toyota Corolla is a compact sedan renowned for its reliability, fuel efficiency, and affordability. It has been one of the best-selling cars worldwide, making it a staple in discussions about practical and dependable vehicles.
Subaru Brat
"...lowly, but at least still going like in a Subaru brat. The hot take, I don't think Subaru's millions a..."
The Subaru Brat is a small pickup truck from the past that has a fun and unusual design. It's loved by some people for its unique look and usefulness.
The Subaru Brat is a unique compact pickup truck produced in the 1970s and 1980s, known for its quirky design and versatility. It has a cult following among enthusiasts and is often discussed for its nostalgic value.
Mitsubishi Lancer
"..., that would have worked for Mitsubishi with the Lancer Evo. Well, they abandoned the product."
The Mitsubishi Lancer is a small car that some people liked for its sporty versions. It's known for being fun to drive, especially the racing models.
The Mitsubishi Lancer is a compact car that gained popularity for its sporty versions, particularly the Lancer Evolution. It is often discussed in the context of performance and rally racing.
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross
"..., they still sell a car and you can still get an eclipse cross sport. I think they also sell like mini splits"
The Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross is a small SUV that looks sporty and is good for everyday driving. It's designed for people who want a mix of style and usefulness.
The Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross is a compact crossover SUV that combines sporty styling with practicality. It is often discussed for its unique design and features aimed at younger buyers.
Subaru 360
"...gree. There's a world in which 355s and 348s and 360s came within the reach of regular people."
The Subaru 360 is a tiny car from Japan that was made a long time ago. It's known for being very small and efficient, and it's a part of Subaru's history.
The Subaru 360 is a classic kei car that was produced in Japan from the 1950s to the 1970s, known for its compact size and efficiency. It holds historical significance as one of the early models that contributed to Subaru's reputation.
Toyota 2000 Gt
"...d this in the context of Car Week when we took a Toyota 2000 GT, and I was like, why do so many young people kno..."
The Toyota 2000GT is a beautiful sports car from the 1960s that many people admire. It's special because it was one of the first really fast cars made in Japan.
The Toyota 2000GT is a classic sports car produced in the late 1960s, known for its stunning design and performance. It is often celebrated as one of Japan's first true sports cars and has become a collector's item.
Chevrolet Corvette
"...a. I think that was a material factor, certainly Corvettes. Well, it's cheap speed plus racing."
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast sports car that looks really cool and is made in America. It's popular because you get a lot of speed for the money compared to other fancy cars.
The Chevrolet Corvette is an American sports car known for its performance, distinctive design, and relatively affordable price compared to other sports cars. It has a long history and is often discussed in the context of American automotive culture and racing.
Porsche Macan
"and Porsche is... Macan? Well, Porsche's deal is that everything that th..."
The Porsche Macan is a small luxury SUV that drives like a sports car. It's popular because it offers a mix of comfort and fun driving.
The Porsche Macan is a compact luxury SUV that combines Porsche's performance heritage with practicality and comfort. It has become popular for those seeking a sporty driving experience in an SUV format.
Porsche Boxster
"...ow. I was just looking at what happened with the Boxster just saying, you know..."
The Porsche Boxster is a sporty convertible car that’s fun to drive and not as expensive as some other Porsches. People like it because it combines luxury with a great driving experience.
The Porsche Boxster is a mid-engine sports car that offers a more affordable entry point into the Porsche brand while still delivering impressive performance and handling. It is often discussed for its balance of luxury and sportiness.
Mercedes-Benz Clk Gtr
"...be, yeah, nobody knows that those. You know, the CLK GTR just comprehensively shit on the McLaren F1 GTR ..."
The Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR is a super rare and super fast car that was made for racing. It's talked about a lot because not many were made, and it's very special.
The Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR is a rare and powerful supercar designed for racing and high-performance driving. It is often discussed for its engineering excellence and limited production, making it a collector's item.
Mclaren F1
"...ow, the CLK GTR just comprehensively shit on the McLaren F1 GTR long tail. I mean, do we know what it is?"
The McLaren F1 is a super-fast car that was really advanced for its time. It's famous for being one of the best sports cars ever made and is still talked about today.
The McLaren F1 is a legendary supercar known for its groundbreaking design, speed, and engineering excellence. It was one of the fastest cars of its time and remains a symbol of automotive innovation and performance.
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