Doug Demuro

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will handle the rest. Again, that's offtherecord.com slash TST. All right. On this episode of the podcast,

it's our annual Doug DeMuro Fest. He is in studio. He's just bought a 993 Turbo. We talk about that.

We talk about the Whistlin Diesel Montana Tag scam. We talk about cars that we are interested

in and particularly not interested in as collectibles. We talk about money go up, money go down,

and a whole lot of other random left turns we will take with Doug DeMuro on today's episode

of the Smoking Tire podcast. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy you are here. Zach, do we

exist? We exist. Great. A bit drawn folks are listening to us right now. The Drinking Game,

the Doug DeMuro candy drinking game. I'm going to tell you the truth. Seriously? Yeah. I seriously,

I don't eat the stuff anymore, but I'm here and it's like a tradition. You look thin. You look thin.

I play tennis every day now. Good for you. My goal is to beat Spike Feriston. He is like an unhealthy

tennis player. I think he has a problem. He has a problem. It gets like that. I feel like

I'm the same. It's like pulses in me. Like I'm walking around thinking why

haven't I played tennis right now? Spike is, you know, Spike is a recovering addict. He was like a

cokehead. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's sober now. He was like, he was an alcoholic and a

cokehead back in the day. And he will tell, you know, sort of, I think their toned down

versions of the actual stories, but he's not like, he won't not talk about it.

But yeah, he's, you know, him and Zuckerman, they're like their ex like junkies. So they

just have re... Zuckerman, I can see. They've put him into Porsche's and tennis. Yeah, yeah, like

Zuckerman, I just interviewed him for a thing about like a story I'm doing for Road and Track about

like, what are the logistics of having a big car collection? And I asked like Zuckerman, like,

you know, what his... How many cars, yeah. He was like, I'm in total denial. He's like,

my accountant knows to tell me when to stop. But until then I have absolutely... I was like,

so what do you know, what do you spend a year on buildings and maintenance? He says,

I don't have the first clue. Whatever it costs. I just don't know. He said, don't, this is

the same as drugs. People just, it's just a little more societally acceptable.

How many cars do you have? Does he have?

My guess would be like, somewhere in the 20s, between 20 and 30.

What are the logistics? Are you, are you divulging or are we not? Is there a press

embargo on this? I mean, I've always wondered about this. You probably could guess.

The long and short, the long and short of it is it's, it scales linearly. It's about in in LA,

assuming it's a car that's like of reasonable reliability, right? Not counting like shit

braking all the time, but like the care and feeding in LA of a car. It's like about

12 Gs a year per car, scales, scales linearly. So some of these folks that have collections.

Right. So you can figure 20 cars and that we're not talking about

the purchase price and all that. No, no, no. This is annual dues. These are your dues.

This is why everybody who's like, Oh, this car appreciated in value and all that.

That's the other thing that Zuckerman said. He said, anyone who does the complete math is

fucking deluge. It's rare. I will say I did the, it's possible. I did the complete math on

my career duty and the guy who owned it, if the guy who owned it second had kept it and

sold it to me, he would have beaten the S and P even including all of his expenses,

including fuel. I mean, I saw that clip about like Wyclef Jean, the cars he sold in the 2000s

like 100 F1, like 19 and a Zonda, you know, it all would have been worth like $30 million

and he sold it all for like 1.5. Yeah. Yeah, but he probably made money at it at that

act. I think at the time he got good prices for those cars. Everybody thinks they're a

genius when they make 100 grand on a car like this is the greatest thing you make a dime,

you're a genius. The percentage, if you, if you are honest with math and make a clear

fucking nickel, you're a genius. You're in such a small, so small company. Yeah. Although then you

have to start thinking about opportunity cost because I'm way up on my 4GT, but if I had put

any of that money into the stock market, I would have been way more up. Sure. So there's

components to all that stuff. Sure. No, I don't think it's fair to compare cars to

stocks. But only to do that when people do talk about, oh, this car returns so much

from me. People say stuff like that all the time. And it's like, well, not really.

Yeah, not really. But of course, the joy of owning the car delivers value in a way that

a stock doesn't. I've driven that 4GT 14,000 miles and there's value to that.

As opposed to the stock market where there's not really that much value, although there is some.

I mean, number go up feels good. Number go up feels good. It does. Number go up feels good

in a car too. I was just talking about this with 918s because I just got to drive this

918 a thousand miles and it was Porsche's 918 because, dude, it's the best 918 because it's

unsellable. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. The pure, the pureness of the experience,

this only makes any sense for the thing that I'm doing and not for any money down the line.

That's fucking pure motoring. But it is also an automatic hybrid like the Prius.

Yeah, fucking terrible car. Piece of shit. Yeah, it's garbage.

You'd rather have a Carrera GT. I would. Of course I would. That's good. I'm glad I'm glad to

hear that. Of course I would. The market doesn't agree. Of course I would. That's weird.

That's weird. I think people are, some people are legitimately afraid of Carrera GT. There's

that. I think also the 918 makes it easy. Yeah. And I think it's been surprising to me how many

people, it's been sad to me a little as a guy who likes cars that are hard, like my three sports

might now four, but the three, my three main sports cars are hard to use and to have and own.

And I like that. And it's been a little sad to me how people have seemingly kind of gravitated.

There are still a huge market for those cars, but there's people have kind of gravitated

towards the cars that are easy. Oh, totally. And Moss, I mean, when the DCTs came out and

everyone was like 96% of Ferrari buyers just skipped them. Yeah. That was the.

What's the sad part is that people still treat them as like a treasured collectible

when Ferrari and Lamborghini and Porsche have gone so far out of their way to make them totally

daily cars, daily driver, volume cars. Like that's a good point. The amount of engineering

they put into making this thing usable data. So when people are talking about like, oh,

daily my fucking wah, wah, like that's the easy. I have this theory that I call those all those

cars rich guy go fast cars. Yeah. And it is crazy to me how much pride people take in their 296,

which is an amazing car. But like all it requires is you need to be a rich guy.

Like it requires nothing like like trying to buy an older Ferrari. You have to know a lot.

You have to understand a lot. You have to realize there's going to be some issues. You

have to you have to drive it a certain way. Like there are there's things that have to

be done. That is like real enthusiasm. These people, yeah, they get so excited about like this

brand new car that what occurred? You paid money. You pay money for a thing. And now you're afraid

to put miles on it to lose money. Like what are you doing? Right. That's when it gets really

fucking dumb. Yeah, I get that you would only put maybe so many miles on a car because it's

not for every expiry. Like you are like, you just said you just bought this 993

Turbo exclusively for the drive between Los Angeles and San Diego. I can't believe how much

I've driven that car. Which is such a niche use case that I would kind of have. Like I complained

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I'm also I also can take my kids in it, which is really cool. I will say on the topic of me

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like correctly titled. I just like drive a place and it has no warning lights and I don't have

to think about. Which cars have warning lights? Currently, actually none of my cars do. The

Courgette has very sensitive tire pressure monitors. I'll often get in that car and it'll say

that I need to top up the tire by adding 93 psi. Very sensitive. It's like, okay. Yes, early 2000s

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have the monitoring system. On Thanksgiving, I was at my uncle Phil's place in Long Island and

he has a Genesis G90 that he's in love with. Oh. White on cocaine, white. Damn. And he does not

do enough to keep that white leather looking good. This car is like six months old and I don't

know what's on his hands, but damn. But he was like, Matt, the tire warning light keeps

coming on. I just took it to the tire shop. They said it was fine. I go out there and like,

two of his four tires are like 10 psi low. Jesus, Uncle Phil, I was glad to have the light.

Dude, Uncle Phil driving a G90. Uncle Phil, this is a low pressure. This is a North Shore man,

I assume. South, the South East of Shores, Long Beach, New York. He is, he is flexing on all

the South Shore people with his G90. A G90 might as well be a Bentley ripping down there.

Yeah. Uncle Phil, so what do you do?

Uncle Phil just gave us a free Mercedes. Oh yeah? He gave us an E320 cab.

Oh, a 124? Yeah, Scruffy. Scruffy. But are the homey at CMS Motorsports,

have you met Schaunt? Builds the crazy Euro. At Car Week, you had the white shooting break.

We're going to build the E500 Cabriolet that never existed. Oh, and like, keep it nice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not like, not like Lorenzer. Like, it'll look like an E500.

You're not going to put some stupid wheels on it like you did with that NSX?

No, we're going to put E500 wheels on it. Okay. You promised me.

I took, yeah, and I just took the, the, put the NSX wheels back on, the stock wheels back

on because it's going on cars and bits. Did you know this? He's selling his NSX.

I did. Yeah, I do. This is a major event.

The, the, I have had such a problem getting the original lug nuts for this car,

because the aftermarket wheels, I got black lug nuts to match. I didn't keep the original.

This is what happens when you modify cars, screw everything up. Parts geek,

which is a pretty mainstream parts website, fucked me so hard on this. They made my package disappear

and couldn't give less of a fuck about it. And their fucking AI customer service

is the perfect example of the AI bubble being fucking about to burst.

Oh, you think that's over? You think that's coming to an end?

No, it's not. It's getting bigger, but it's just trash.

Why are you selling this car? This is a great, this is a fixed headlight.

Because blue, you, you were talking about, it's not blue, it's silver.

Oh yeah, that's right. It should be blue. If it was blue, it'd be keeping up.

You was just said that you, you man of means, Doug DeMiro are pretty much like

limited by space. Yeah. As am I, even with places like this.

What do you mean you're limited by space? I am. Opportunity, like same kind of

opportunity cost. I, that every space I take up, you know, is, it's like 12, 12, how do you,

I did that math was an accident. I know what I charge.

Oh, because it's opportunity cost for you, because you could be rending that space.

Both of my facilities are like overflowing waiting list. And I just got the Manx. I'm using it

whenever I can as a daily. It's so much fun.

Yeah. That's little though. It doesn't take up that much space.

No, it is. No, it doesn't. But like, what do you have at your house?

You got a garage? You got two car garages there?

I have a one car garage in my house. Wow.

Because I converted a three car garage into a gym with one bay with a glass.

But you're like a four car driveway.

Yeah, yeah. No, I would, I have a driveway. So like Hannah's car sits outside.

You took a three car garage and you converted it into a one car garage.

Yeah. Why would you do that?

I don't need to keep that many cars at home.

I know, but is this-

No, but you're now, you're talking about opportunity cost. You're selling the NSX that I

have jealously-

Why don't you buy it? You could buy it.

I can't even remember. I can't even remember cars.

I think, Zucker, I think-

You could buy the car and store it here.

So you're making money and you're going to keep the car.

I make the place for you.

I can't have any more cars. I just got, this is my fifth fun car.

Yeah.

And it's too many.

And what's the total across family?

We have seven cars, but two of them are dailies.

Okay.

And then there's five.

And not including the Nantucket car?

The car that I keep on Nantucket, I actually keep here.

Oh, there.

I ship it back. My convertible G-wagon.

Oh, all right, cool.

Pull that up.

You got any pictures of that?

You were way ahead on the convertible G-wagon.

I have another friend who currently owns three of them.

That's too many.

Which is crazy.

I actually-

It's too many convertible G-wagon.

This car has aged so fucking well.

It's crazy.

You know, I will say though, I disavow all other people

who have anything to do with this car.

People come up to me on Nantucket,

and they're like, that is so cool.

And I'll be like, get away from me.

Because the kind of person who wants to say that to me,

I instantly, my ears are up.

I'm like, this person is going to be the worst Florida person

I've ever met in my entire life.

Oh, my God.

Where do I get one of those?

You don't.

I don't want any part of this.

You know, I had a sidekick once.

Is this like that, but from Germany?

You know, when people say that to me, I'm so into it.

Yeah.

What?

Someone came up to me and said that to me.

He was in a Grand Cherokee, the 9904 Grand Cherokee.

And he came up to me, and I think he thought

he was being like playful, like, oh, is that a sidekick?

Ha-ha.

And I was like, yeah.

It's just an expensive sidekick.

And then I was like, nice four liter.

It is Jeep, you know?

And then he was like, oh, damn.

This guy is real.

This guy offered.

Wait, why do you get mad at it?

The only time anyone's ever said nice four liter to him.

That's exactly right.

That was a great motor, though.

But why do you get mad when people go up

and they're into this car?

Because you want to gatekeep and not.

No.

Because my assumption, when someone is into this car,

they're into it, they're very rarely enthusiasts.

They're into it because they have a purple G63 back home

in South Florida.

As a fashion statement.

And they want to get one of these,

and they want to have a conversation about how much money

they can spend in order to convert their car to this.

They don't like it for the reasons you like it.

Yeah.

And I'm like, I just don't like it.

And it's fine.

G-wagon people.

It's definitely not gatekeeping.

Those people.

No, no, no.

He liked these before they were popular.

Those people are fine.

I'm cool with those people.

I just don't want to assault.

People who have new G-wagons and just kind of live in that world,

I'm good.

I don't want any part of that.

Yeah.

Even when I drive the new ones, I really feel like a dick.

You just, you get in it and that dog will clack.

And you go, ooh.

Which is a shame because it's an amazing car.

Yeah.

It's a really good like city SUV.

It's short wheelbase, good visibility.

Decent ride.

It goes over everything.

Yeah.

But you got to have no shame.

Yeah.

And nobody will let you fucking merge, dude.

Nobody will let you merge.

True.

You know another thing about it also?

When you drive one, you're the problem with society.

That's right.

Another thing about it also that I don't like when people come up to me

is it reminds me of how I am perceived.

Like when I drive it, I think to myself,

I'm driving this cool truck, old vintage truck.

But then someone comes up to me and they're like,

oh man, I got three purple G63s.

That's not one of these that I'm like, oh no.

This is what people think of me.

Yeah, that's tough.

I like to pretend like people think of me as some cool old truck guy

when I'm in this, but they don't.

Doug, I just want to just remind you in the audience

that in the last 12 minutes you said that you're addicted to tennis

and you like to drive your convertible G-Wagon on Nantucket

and you're like, I don't understand why people don't see me as a truck person.

Yeah.

A truck guy.

I also don't forget.

You're made of the people.

Don't forget.

I have a 30 Pro Sequoia.

Okay.

That's a really bold move.

That's the fucking affliction shirt of SUVs right there.

Okay, so I regret it.

I got one as a press car and I got up and climbed in it

and closed the door and went, where, what fucking UFC fight did I just walk into?

The interior of that car was designed by Dana White, dude.

That shit is so crazy.

So true because that's exactly how I feel about it.

And we were in Joshua Tree this week and I saw a couple of them on the road.

And I saw the mods they had done, the vanity plates they had

and the people who are driving.

And after like the third one I sent to my wife, we got to sell this car.

The way you're yours?

Yeah, that's fine.

There's the camo seats.

No, but you have to make sure that's not TR.

Is that TR?

That is a TRD Pro with a giant Toyota logo on it.

Everything on this is enormous.

It's designed for people with hands that are 1.5 X human hand size.

I regret things about it.

The person who drives this truck buys it.

Magnums and does not need them.

It does look like Dana White designed the interior.

That is so accurate.

That's exactly what it is.

It is the most Republican thing I could imagine.

And by the way,

This is the photo of Akio and the food bag in here.

That's this.

Someone sent me that thing and they're like,

dude, what the fuck Toyota?

I should have just been like, have you seen the TRD Pro?

Have you seen the Toyota?

That is exactly this.

He commissioned this car.

It's so bad.

And there's other problems too.

It's not just the interior.

You know, I have camo fenders.

Also, when you start it,

they don't have to do this,

but when you start it.

And I discovered something.

The emissions regulations are based on how

it's idling after 30 seconds.

And so it can go for 26 seconds and it does.

And I'm like, my wife is driving,

our nanny is driving kids around.

I'm like, this is the most embarrassing thing.

Guys, we get 26 seconds of glove.

How can we make this engine maximally glub-glub?

Now, I don't have a problem.

That's insane, obviously.

I don't have a problem with...

By the way, that racing driver is making the Mike Myers face.

Oh my God, he is so choice-ful.

He doesn't care to treat my people.

That is exactly...

He's like, oh God.

That's the camera.

Dude, it's going to be photos.

I don't mind driving a Republican car.

My Mercedes station wagon is a Republican car.

But it's your Mitt Romney Republican.

I would say it was socialist.

They'd be wrong.

But this, the Sequoia is a,

I have Trump's face printed on my personal checks car.

This is my personality.

Yeah, it's tough.

It's a little much.

It's a lot.

And I regret it now.

But your truck credentials are not in question.

That's right.

Dude, because I drive this cross country

every summer in Kentucky.

When I pull up at a gas station in Oklahoma driving this,

people are like, you guys are...

Yeah.

Hey man.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a...

It's a shame.

I got to get rid of it.

I got to get what I want is the LX700H overtrail.

Have you spent time in one of these?

I haven't driven one yet.

My dad just got a Lexus TX500H and really likes it.

Those are fast.

It is fast actually.

And you got, it's like Matt Gray.

He must have just been on the lot.

He would never have ordered this.

But it's pretty cool actually.

There it is.

There's my overtrail.

Oh yeah.

That's definitely a little more tasteful though.

It's more tasteful in the way that I try to be more tasteful.

That's also people have asked me the difference

between a Land Cruiser and a Forerunner.

And it's literally like the difference between like this

and the Sequoia is like, you know,

do you want to like fucking...

You know, one is like regular people

and one is like, yeah.

That is literally the difference,

which is why I continually disrespect the new Land Cruiser.

I hate it.

But like this is the only way to get a 300 series in the U.S.

And I, it's the same motor now.

They've put the Sequoia's motor, which I love, into the 300.

And so it's like the combination of everything I've ever wanted.

Does it have camo seats?

Thank God, no.

It does have...

That cow pattern maybe?

That's fancy camo.

That is the ugliest grill in the car industry.

I think this is better than the previous generation.

I agree with that.

Where they grafted an ugly grill onto an existing car.

At least this was kind of designed around it.

That was brutally bad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But this isn't exactly good.

Oh, it's worse than chrome.

It's worse.

The over trail is the best of them, but none is good.

It's literally a giant shaver.

That's exactly what...

And then you have to put a license plate somewhere in there.

Oh yeah.

Oh, you're gonna tear somewhere.

And I'll tell you something.

The license plate isn't as big as...

The license plate is only about the size of the Lexus logo.

Like you can kind of pick and choose

where you want to stick that, but there's no good place for it.

It's a bad situation.

What is it?

This is definitely the Gillette edition for sure.

That's bad, isn't it?

Yeah.

Cars that look the most like shavers.

Yeah.

That, this versus the Cybertruck, if we're just looking at,

you know, front axle only, and forward only, it's a tie.

You know, I was driving on the freeway today, the 405 there.

And boy, it hit me because I passed a few Cybertrucks.

That has fallen out of fashion quick.

You know where you see them?

Holy shit.

If you drive, if you drive from here to my other store,

West Cycler, or South Bay, you drive right past SpaceX.

SpaceX bought a fucking ton of them.

The couple of blocks around SpaceX.

Circular economy.

Dude, the couple of SpaceX around, excuse me,

the couple of blocks around SpaceX and around the Hawthorne airport,

which is where SpaceX is, there's a million Cybertrucks now

with fucking, the VIN numbers on the side.

Like the four digit or five digit, last five.

They're just running them around

that he just sold the fucking thousand of them to himself.

I mean, they don't sell anymore.

And you saw Ford's canceling the lightning.

Or it's been rumored that they're doing it.

That, I saw you talk about that in that clip in your podcast.

Was it your podcast or Hoover's podcast?

Yeah, Hoover's was there.

And yeah, his video of failing to tow with it.

That's, we just, kind of a bummer.

I thought the lightning was a good truck

if you're not towing.

I mean, like I thought there was a use case for that truck.

It is interesting though, what I've learned from this

is that the market was there for electric three rows.

SUVs, but everyone went after pickups for some reason.

And everybody comes up to me.

All my neighbor, and granted, we live in California,

and so you're going to get a specific selection of people.

But all my neighbors, hey, I want to get an electric three row.

What do I get?

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Like that's at this point, that's currently like in the Model X.

Tying in six months.

Maybe, but that's the current, it's currently not a three row.

Oh, really?

Oh, that they're they're working on.

My presumption is it will be a three row.

It's longer than before.

But for some reason they went after trucks.

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Yeah.

Do you think they were trying to go like they went sedans

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And they're like, all right, we got, I mean, blanket saving.

Like we got the left, or a lot of them.

If we go trucks, we kind of bookend the population.

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Like who are these people really going to be doing this?

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They also probably did market research and discovered

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I've tried to talk so many people into one of these

or some other electric vehicle

who are just not ready either for political reasons

or because they don't want to be afraid,

their lifestyle, whatever.

I told, at this past Thanksgiving, I told my mom.

My mom and dad both have plug-in hybrids now

and are obsessed with how efficient and great they are.

What's mom a third rather?

Q5 plug-in hybrid.

And dad's got the Cayenne.

And TX500T.

Yeah, that's in South Carolina,

which is a non-plug-in hybrid.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

He didn't want a plug-in for down there, whatever.

But anyway, both of them would be 100% fine with Follett.

And I don't give a shit, but I just like,

I point out their math.

I'm like, your car, mom, your car makes

us 35 miles of electric range.

I was like, this says that you've driven

4,000 miles on this tank of gas.

Yeah, right.

Like, you do not use gas.

Like, you clearly, you get by with 10% of the range.

You could almost just have an EV with a 35 mile range.

You're going to get an IME FNB, okay?

You could have the worst EV ever

and you still would never use gas.

But they don't ever drive down

to South Carolina down there?

They did when they would send,

you know, when they'd get to use a new car

and they would send their used car to Southern.

Now they've just got cars down there and they don't find it.

Where in South Carolina is this?

It's near Hilton Head.

What's that?

Between Hilton Head and Buford.

Do you ever worry about the Hurricane?

Hilton Head conscores this year.

It was good.

Do you ever worry about the Hurricane situation?

I mean, no.

Not with their, not with their home.

No, their home is fucking, no.

They got, dude, they got the crazy windows and shit now.

They got the reinforcements.

Are they like on the ocean here?

They're on a marsh.

Oh my God.

That's not, it's not facing open ocean.

It's a marsh facing a bay that leads to it.

With trees as well.

Like there's some protection for shade.

They got any celebrity neighbors?

No, not really.

No.

No, their neighbors are very boring.

They're very boring.

No, they're not boring.

They are.

Their son is Matt Farah.

The pendulum.

For God's sake.

Aren't your, aren't your fucking, are your folks alive?

Yeah, my folks are.

Aren't they boring?

Oh God, yeah.

That's a good point.

Or are you the boring one and they're super excited.

I have become more boring.

So we all have.

I bought a lot of bonds recently.

And I was kind of excited to do it.

Yeah.

And I'm like, damn.

Like ooh, stability.

My kids are not going to think I'm cool.

When you start getting really interested in like your home

decor shit and like little bolt.

That's when you get really.

Yeah.

Wait, okay.

Back to cars.

So you said you've got seven but two dailies.

Yeah.

That's pretty good.

Oh yeah.

That's pretty good.

How many cars do you have?

Between me and my wife.

Nine.

But I need to go minus one.

You get one of the NSX.

Yeah, yeah.

I need to go minus one.

That's, it's, it's, we need to.

I think seven is too many.

I actually, so we, I built it.

Between the last time I was here and now,

I built a four car garage at my home.

Sick.

And I intentionally limited it to four.

I could have gotten more.

But I intentionally limited it to four

because I wanted to limit myself.

You're going to put lifts in the garage?

It has lit.

It's two and two.

Oh, two and two.

I instantly went out and bought a fifth car,

which is idiotic.

And I already kind of regret it.

Like I can't imagine getting rid of one of my five children.

And do you keep cars at the office too?

Yeah.

Right, and right now I have that ability.

But I won't forever.

Yeah.

And I was kind of trying to future proof.

But also I just like five becomes, to me,

especially dealing with two little kids and,

and you know, two houses and my,

just everything that's going on in life,

five becomes, to me, a little bit too much work.

If you're dealing with them yourself.

Yeah.

Right.

Which I am.

I'm out.

Absolutely is.

If you lived across the street here

and kept five cars with me, it wouldn't be.

Well, you send people's cars off to the service places?

We do everything.

Really?

Yeah.

We're full.

So if I said to you, hey, man,

my customers don't do shit.

They call, they text,

and the car is fucking ready when they show up.

How do I get into that racket?

It's, I wish it was a racket.

Is the, is the blue collar is shit.

It's, it's sucking up to rich people

and doing low level just moving cars around.

It's not glamorous, but it's nice and stable.

I go down, what do you mean it's not glamorous?

I go down, there's million dollar cars.

It's pretty.

There are a million dollar cars here.

Yeah, but the job's not glamorous though.

But it's, it's pretty.

How come you haven't sold this to private equity?

Have they called?

Huh?

Have they called?

No, it's not that good of a business.

No, it's not that good.

It's a good of business for an individual.

It's not some good, it's not,

it does not something that needs to be scaled.

It's not something that could like scale it.

And I have no interest in it.

I have interest in collecting rent

for the rest of my natural life.

I know, but you've got to do stuff.

I, I, dude, this is-

What if the rate you collected was the bonds?

The bonds pay your rent every,

and you don't have to do anything.

And you could keep your NSX.

I don't, you could have a gym and a three-car garage.

You wouldn't be able to store it.

You also know, the NSX, I never actually,

I never thought that was going to be a forever car.

That wasn't, it wasn't necessarily a poster car.

That car lived here with my customer for two years.

He drove it very little.

Yeah.

And when he, it's such a nice car.

It's, it just hit 20,000 miles.

There's still, the plastic is still on the pedals.

And like, it's beautiful.

And this guy was willing to sell it to me

for a price that I was very happy with.

I'd always wanted to own one.

I've done like 3,500 miles in it.

I've, I, that's enough to get to know an NSX.

Yeah.

And 35 miles, pretty good.

No shade.

And for.

Plus we sell them on cars and biz, the most important part.

Dude, and for short, for, I thought it would be a fun,

like cruise around town thing.

I never really used it for that.

I, I, the Manx is for that.

Yeah.

Whatever.

The cruise around town in a, in a loud open roof vehicle

that attracts enormous amounts of attention.

And that's what we want to do.

Yes.

You know what you did?

That, that, we, we all talk about all my friends.

You went and bought one of those used Tycons.

Yeah.

Like we see them sell.

It's worked out so well.

Yeah.

They're, the car's fucking great.

Are you not concerned about the next round of depreciation?

I mean, like it's still, it's not like it slowed down.

I mean, no, you're right.

Am I concerned?

Like, no, I'm doing it for, of X, I'm doing it for educational purposes

and business experimentation purposes.

And like, look.

My friends and I, I'm not going to lose.

I'm not, I can't, I can't possibly lose as much as the first guy lost.

Is I'm not going to sell it for zero.

Right.

To lose as much as the first guy lost, I would have to pay somebody.

I would have to burn it to the ground.

No insurance.

Right.

Zero.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Just crazy.

So that won't happen.

Yeah.

And in the meantime, like it's a really nice car.

Yeah.

It works perfectly.

You have any problems?

I had one small hiccup that did not prevent me from driving it

or using it in at all.

Yeah.

All my buddies talk about it because these EVs, these used EVs are incredible.

And used cars in general, the market has started to become normal again

where used cars are like depreciating again.

And you look at these things, especially the wagon, and you're like, you know,

fuck, yeah, dude, this car is so sweet.

Right.

Especially like, I mean, for the thing that I do with it,

which is cruise around town and drive it on the highway, like,

I don't need it to be like a super, super crazy fucking thing.

I would say, you know, depending on your use case, like, be realistic.

Like ours is not performance battery plus.

So the real range is about 220, which for some people, that's not enough.

For me, fine, don't give a shit.

But for some people, that wouldn't be enough.

Well, you've got nine cars.

If you're running out of range, you're just getting the minks fucking white.

He lines them up for like a thousand miles and drives one,

it runs out, drops in the other one.

And then he has a guy come and fill them all up.

It's like Joe Pesci and Casino.

Yeah.

Going to parking garages.

It's like that.

Like going back to our friend Paul Zuckerman, he has no daily.

You know that?

That's how he that's how he lives his life.

No daily driver at a time.

If I had enough money and no children, I would probably do that.

Like my 4GT, I use my cars as frequently as a person would use cars like this.

Yeah.

The Coontosh, like I don't have any.

I rotate through all of them.

I drive basically all of them every single week.

The Coontosh, you kind of, it kind of feels like it should be a fifth car,

but you have to use it.

You have to use it.

Like a second car.

Yeah.

You have to use it.

And you can tell the difference if it sits for one week, two weeks or three weeks.

I have never let it sit for that long.

Now, when I go away for the summer, it sits, but I have someone start it.

Yeah.

And run it up the temp.

But I, since I have owned that car, I have never let it sit for maybe,

maybe a week, I guess, out of town for travel.

But even then, I don't really travel anymore.

Maybe a week.

So I drive it all the time.

So in the stackers, Coontosh downstairs.

The Coontosh is up, but I have a rule

with my stackers that I have no excuse to not take the up.

Like if I walk into my garage that day and I want to take the upcar, I just do it.

I keep down below, I keep the 4GT and now the 993,

which are pretty easy cars to just start to move out of the way.

It's no big deal.

Yeah.

And so if that's what I'm feeling, then that's what I do.

All right, good.

Boom.

And I have never, it takes two minutes.

Like realistically, it is annoying.

But are you still, any barrier sometimes?

You walk in the garage, you go, I don't have the fucking energy right now.

And the Coontosh needs to be up for that reason.

It also needs to be up because when the G-Wagon is in there,

it won't, like a G-Wagon can't sit above it because the door of the Coontosh won't go up.

It is more to it than I realized.

The 4GT has to be on the left side because the door of the 4GT,

you have to open it an enormous amount in order to get out of the car.

4GT doors, yeah.

We had to be very, we learned, unfortunately, we learned the hard way

and it was a very understanding customer.

But we learned you can't open a Mercy door underneath the lift at all.

And we had, it was, fortunately, it was just a tiny little paint chip.

It just like tapped and we fixed it and the guy was cool, like whatever.

You know, you ought to learn somehow.

But I was surprised that you literally could not open the door.

And my ceiling is only tall.

A ventilator as you can.

My ceiling is tall enough for two sports cars to fit no problem.

But a sports car and SUV, they fit.

It's just tight.

And so I didn't really think about it.

So I pulled the Coontosh one day under the G-Wagon.

And I opened the door and it didn't, I knew it was, I opened the door

and I was careful with it.

But I, it wouldn't open far enough for me to get out of the car.

Okay.

And you know, it's actually really.

You can't come out the window.

Right.

It's like, all right, I'm shutting the door,

backing out and we're doing something else.

It's sad though, because the Coontosh, therefore, I never really get to see it.

It's always up.

Right.

Yeah.

And that's like, to me, that's kind of sad.

Unless the G-Wagon is out for service, the Coontosh is above it.

When mine was working, I would, I would arrange for it to be parked

directly outside view of my office so I could just look over the shoulder

and see it all the time.

I put a giant print of the Coontosh that my buddy and my photographer, Nick, took

in Big Sur, like the car with Big Sur behind me.

And so I can look at that.

Like that's, like I level in my garage.

Did you see the one out, the one I have in the hall?

It's like that, it's like that.

It's like that.

One, yeah, yeah.

Let's talk about your Coontosh.

Sure.

How we doing?

What I'm doing, the engine and gearbox have returned from Italy.

Did you have to pay tariffs?

No, because I already owned the thing.

You can, you can send a thing to Italy for repair

and come back and there would not be tariffs.

That, that is.

Wasn't it, wasn't that like a phone call type of confusion?

Well, I, you know, I use the fucking shipping company as one does.

And it was almost like a Seinfeld episode where the importing and exporting divisions,

like didn't talk to each other.

Yeah.

I use the same shipping company for both directions.

And the, the guy who was dealing with the return, right, you know,

I emailed the guy who had sent it there.

Oh, you know, I don't do it.

Okay, fine.

This guy.

I don't do the importing.

And they had like, and they had, they asked, they're asking me for all this crazy shit.

I'm like, you guys, it's the same thing you said that way.

And they're like, but you, you know, the, what is the value of this?

I go, guys, there's no value for, I already owned this.

Right.

This is like, it was shocking.

So they were, but they're, so this came up.

It was like a thing that wasn't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It came up that there could, had I purchased any new, blah, blah, blah,

major componentry, there would have been.

So the engine and the trans are back here?

Yeah.

They're in LA.

Oh.

They're in a crate.

And I'm good.

So you're good.

Where's the car?

The car and the remain, all the other parts are at my other store.

And I'm waiting.

Let's put this together.

I agree.

We got tools.

Yeah, we got tools.

I'm just waiting for Damien to finish a project, to have room,

because Mike, it's probably going to take him six months to put my car back together.

So he needs to finish one car to clear the bay.

I get it.

Small shops.

Me and you.

I think we can do it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

YouTube has everything.

Everything.

Every truly.

You know what I really.

Probably could.

Honestly, should I just call Freddie?

Freddie Tavares?

Yeah.

No.

It'll take him twice as long.

Yeah.

No, I know it's just, yeah.

It's okay.

You know, it's got to go in like this.

Oh, yeah.

You call Tony Angelo.

He'll have it done in three days.

And it will turn on.

Yeah.

Not much else, but no, he would.

I, it's okay.

The whole thing scares the hell out of me.

The whole contage.

This is like happening.

The car is here also.

Yeah, everything's here.

You're good.

I mean, we are going to find out that something is missing.

We just don't know what it is.

Right.

I'm prepared for that.

I don't know what it is.

Don't you want to get that process started though,

so you can drive it?

Yes.

When was the last time you drove this lotto?

It was October of 2022.

It was the last time I drove it.

Wow.

Ranwin parked, as they say.

Look, you know.

Three and a half years.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's crazy.

It's, it's, it's crazy and stupid and it's frustrating

and it's fucking expensive.

But like, this is the once in a 25 years, everything.

Yeah.

And also, not just the service, but it's the un, the un-fucking,

like the 90s wiring and the whatever Mickey Mouse bullshit.

Yeah, I mean, in a way, there's there's some benefit to this.

There's some benefit to this.

There's an enormous amount of benefit to it.

What the product that comes out the other side

will be far, far superior to what went in.

You know what happened?

And like, dude, I don't have enough to drive.

You know what I mean?

Got nine cars.

Fucking, you know what happens?

Life gave him lemons and he made lemonade.

No.

What?

It wasn't a lemon.

Well done.

I'm the most, I'm like the most born on third base.

No, in the Kutash situation because there was a situation

with a fella out in the desert who, that was the lemons.

You know for, it was sour.

You know, like loud and clear, by the way,

Donnie did not do that, right?

Did I make that very clear to you?

What the, the, the thing he got arrested for.

Regardless of that, to your car specifically though,

there was a, there became a problem because of all that stuff.

That was the lemons.

Most people don't have to collect a disassembled car

without knowing what parts are yours

and what parts are someone else's.

And look at you now though.

Now you got this thing all ready to go.

Yours is a, yours is a fuel injected car though, right?

Yeah.

Which is not something that bothers me.

There are so many guys out there with project cars

that are going to clip what you just said

and be like, see honey, it's okay.

I'm turning lemons into lemonade.

I'll tell you another way you turn lemons into lemonade.

In the three and a half years

you haven't been driving this car.

You know what the car's been doing?

Yeah.

Rapidly gaining value.

That's the thing that doesn't bother me.

That's why it could sit there as long as it needs to.

But I'm going to, I'm like, I always tell myself that like,

I think you do it too.

If I ever had the, the means to buy something like this,

it's to drive it.

It's to use it.

It's not.

And what I'm not doing is painting it.

I'm not, you know what I mean?

Like, you're making it mechanically correct.

I'm going to replace a couple of shitty seals on the outside,

but like, we're not painting.

I'm going to touch up a little bit here and there,

but like, it's going to have rock chips.

It's good like, because, you know,

I just need to fucking just be driving

for the rest of my life.

Right?

Like just keep driving it.

Because why would, why would you?

You know, I should find-

Nine year old me would be like,

what do you, what do you-

You have this and you're not.

You have this and you're not driving it all the time.

Although I do often get comments from 14 year olds

who are like, if I had one of those,

like a courtesy, I would daily it.

And I'm like, no, you wouldn't.

If you-

Once you were-

If I had a 918, I would.

Not dailying a 918 is lame, because it's so easy.

It depends so much money you have.

I think that if you had 10 million

and you had a 3 million car,

you wouldn't daily it,

even if it was an easy car to drive.

Because you're too scared.

Because I would just have a better car to daily.

You're just too scared.

If you had a 100 million

and you had a 3 million car,

it's a different situation.

Sure, that's true.

That's true.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But wouldn't you be-

I'm fearful when I drive the courage you take.

And I think its value is only continued to go up

and it makes me nervous,

and I wish it was worth half of what it is.

I can see how you-

That's a lot of money, that fucking thing.

It's a lot of money.

That's a lot of money.

Yeah.

I think because I got into the Countach,

well, it was still all the money I could spare at the time,

but well, and it's insured for what it's worth now,

that I feel like, you know,

what will be, what will be, you know,

but when you buy something at that big number,

you go like, I guess it's hard to recalibrate.

I think it would be hard at that point, though.

Even given how, like even if I had paid 250

or what people paid no nine for career duties,

it got to that point, you really,

how do you not think about it?

Yeah.

How is it not on your mind, you know,

when you drive it around and you think,

okay, I hope this person doesn't hit me.

I don't have those thoughts.

I think if you are talented enough in business

to earn that much money in the first place,

granted, a lot of billionaires inherit their money

or steal it.

But let's just assume that you've earned it.

Yeah.

I don't think you can turn capitalism off.

Okay.

I'm going to tell you something.

I don't think you're capable of doing that.

I'm going to tell you something,

and I mean this sincerely.

I am not talented enough at business.

It worked out once, one time.

That's why you drive your shit.

And I don't know that I can do this another time.

And so like, I am worried.

I'm worried about driving it because

I truly don't believe.

That's funny.

There is.

Otherwise, I would have bought an F40.

If I felt like I could just make all the money again,

I would have bought an F40.

I would have spent more than I should have,

and it would have eaten into my family's,

but whatever, because I would have just made more.

I don't think that's out there for me.

That's funny.

You cashed out.

You got what you got.

Right.

Yeah, shit.

I can't tap into any more.

So you can relate more to like a lotto winner.

Yeah.

And you were just going about your day,

and then they got money.

And you know what I think about?

Lotto winners made the best investment of anybody.

Right?

They spent $2 and got millions.

But mine was pretty good, too.

Like I bought that Ferrari at the start,

did the YouTube channel, et cetera, and it worked out.

But there's not another pot of gold there.

So I got to be a little careful.

That's why I'm buying the bonds.

That's funny.

Think about it.

Man, yeah, that's a tough.

But that's funny.

I haven't contextualized this

because I interviewed a bunch of 918 owners

for this story for Rune Track.

And most of them said,

despite the fact that they were good investments,

they weren't really concerned about that.

They drive them as much as they can.

But they have a bunch of cars,

so there's only so much that they can drive them.

And they have young kids or whatever, whatever.

But these were people who they didn't,

they've not cashed out.

They are, these are earning people.

And so, yeah, so they don't.

It's a weird situation.

But they also can't turn off capitalism.

They also told me that.

They said, it is impossible for me to not think about

wanting to make a profit on this car.

They can't turn it off.

My dream is to depreciate a Ferrari F40 to nothing.

That's the dream.

Like, like Whistlin' style?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Actually, even then, it probably wouldn't be worth zero.

Oh, no way, yeah.

The VIN is valuable.

You know, Mike Burroughs had rebuilt it.

I mean, to really, to use one like a fucking car,

that would be great to not have to think about it.

I don't think I'll ever get there,

but that would be great.

Yeah, I agree.

I agree with that.

I think about that a lot.

Like, I would love to drive my Carrera GT or an F40

like I drive my Ford GT,

which was like, I back, I bumped my Ford GT

into my house about a year ago,

and it happens.

That happens, you know?

And like, that would be cool to be able to do.

To drive it like, well, a Ford GT is not a regular car,

but to drive it like it is,

like it was a fucking Boxster or something,

would be great.

Right.

That's the dream.

Right.

It's not going to happen.

No, it's not.

And that's okay.

Can we talk about Whistlin' in Montana?

Sure.

You got any Montana thoughts?

Do you guys have any cars?

I heard your analysis on it.

I thought it was pretty spot on.

The law is pretty black and white here.

Yeah.

And I think if you're, look, if you're going to,

if you're going to run the fucking scam,

maybe don't put the plate in the video

that gets 40 million views.

Also, that's a paperwork crime

and fucking perp walking him.

I know.

It's a bit of an over.

Yeah, absolutely.

Especially because,

you know what I was thinking about later too?

If you had any sort of dispute

like that with someone else,

they'd call the cops civil matter.

You got to go to the court civil matter.

We don't do that.

But here they're like, yeah, let's arrest them.

No, there's a bunch of dumb things happening.

You shouldn't run that fucking scam

and then make the car the centerpiece of a huge video.

I totally agree.

I also think Whistlin' upsets some people.

Not me.

I love him dearly.

But there are people who he upsets.

Is Jaguar doing ads now?

There's people who he upsets.

And so they're going to call them.

You know, they're going to call

this guy, you should check him out.

Yeah, that's the other thing.

If you're going to ride dirty,

people are going to narc on you.

Like a million, like so many people probably.

Either he made neighbors mad

or he made the police mad

or he made like a number of people

must have gotten cranky.

The people were probably so upset

with him destroying stuff

that the police in his town

probably got so many calls

that they were like, we have to arrest this guy.

We're sick of all the calls.

It's tying up our phone line.

Right, but this could be the out-of-the-pone prosecution.

This could be build the building of this dude.

And I don't know him.

I don't know him and never met him.

And I haven't seen all the things he's done.

Do you ever met him on the pod?

I would.

I absolutely would.

I'm on the pod, dude.

He's the best.

You got any Montana cars right now?

Montana?

No, what do you?

You don't do that?

I became a dealer.

What are you, nuts?

Oh, you got dealer plates.

That's a different kind of scam.

Listen, it may be a something of a loophole,

but the state of California

collects a bunch of money from me every year

that is more than if I was paying

registration and road use fees for the cars.

Who paid you?

Who did your test?

Did you have him do it?

Yeah.

I read it.

Not hard.

I just held the clipboard.

The dealer test was fucking so strenuous,

but also so easy.

That was crazy.

You were like really nervous, like an actual test.

It was so easy.

I had to call it final.

You guys did a lot of prep.

We did a lot of project.

Well, they have they offer the class,

but I had a couple of friends

who wanted to do it.

So I was like, well, how much for you to come

just teach a class at my place?

And they're like, if you can get five people,

I was like, done.

No way.

Yeah.

So we had a class taught here.

How like over a period of weeks or like what?

I think it was two days.

Two days.

Yeah.

Two days.

And then I had to and then you don't,

they don't administer the test.

You had to go to the DMV, the central like LA,

like not the DMV, like the DMV that people

go to when they're commercial DMV

and take the test down there and,

you know, give them your fingerprints

and all that other stuff.

And yeah, put up a bond.

I mean, the whole, it's the whole thing.

I'm a wholesale car dealer.

Yeah.

That's, I mean, they're, believe you me,

the state of California is absolutely getting their money.

It's more expensive to be a car dealer

than it is to just register cars.

Right.

Yeah.

It's not a, that's not a good.

But use case for people.

Registering your cars in Montana.

Cheaper than all that.

It's absolutely.

I mean, I think the Montana thing sucks.

I wish California had the exemption

for cars of a certain age,

like the Leno law when it was originally proposed.

For small, for small.

Yeah.

For small stuff.

I wish that happened.

But when I see very new cars driven around California,

especially when I see it repeatedly

and they're registered in Montana

and they're showing up every six months

like the Newport car show or Malibu, whatever,

it makes me very upset.

You know, if I'm paying my fees,

you got to pay your fees.

And you're choosing to live here

because you like it.

Right.

But you don't want to pay that tax to live here.

And people can go, well,

the sales tax is really high.

If you're driving a LaFerrari or whatever,

like you clearly have a lot of money

but because capitalism can't turn off,

you're like, ooh, but I can save 200 grand

and you have 18 cars that cost five million dollars.

We did this on our pod.

We went through a whole thing of this exact thing

and the number of people in the comments

who are like, yeah, but the government's

going to waste the money.

These taxes are stupid.

And it's like, these aren't people with Ferraris.

These are like guys who are like advocating

for these rich people.

And it's like, why are you doing this?

That happens all the time.

Every political discussion.

Dude, there's so weird.

There's so much of these like,

hustle culture Instagram posts where it's like,

ways that this person like gamed the system

to make all this money.

And it's just like, there's an everyone does it mindset.

Yeah, but I think it starts even larger than that

where like, you know, policy is getting put forth

and the talking points that come out on the news

would be like, this will hurt hardworking Americans.

And like, the policy will be about corporations

that are only worth $15 billion or higher

but they just use that term.

Yeah, you're right.

So people think it will affect them.

The term family farms, I really like.

Exactly.

The other thing that annoys me is,

yeah, the guys who have killed it

are the guys with the Ferraris and the Lambos,

the new cars, whereas it's a valuable thing

for people with the older car.

You know, one thing that really annoys me

about California is an imported car doesn't pass smog.

Even if it passes smog, it's not allowed, right?

You have to go to the lab and get it certified.

It takes a year and it's incredibly expensive.

And then you run it through a tailpipe test

and guess what?

It wasn't actually polluting this whole time.

And that's who Montana should be for, you know?

Instead, the McLaren guy has ruined it.

That's like my wife's fucking one-liter pow.

You're telling me a one-liter Japanese engine

from 1990 is problematic?

That's what that note I mean.

Right. It's so laughable.

You know, when I lived in Pennsylvania,

there was an exemption.

If you drove less than 2,000 miles a year,

you were emissions exempt.

Yeah.

And I think that was such a great idea.

Yeah, that works fine.

Stensibly, it was for old people,

like elderly people who didn't want to put a lot of money

to car repairs on a fixed income.

You know, okay, we'd let them.

But it also worked for people with sports cars who didn't.

I'm fine with the old people also using that rule.

We're cool with the old folks.

Anyway.

But no, if California provided a better path,

I would be absolutely happy to use it as it is.

The path I'm doing is totally fucking legal.

Right.

But, and yeah, but it sucks.

It should be for the fucking, I don't know, 1984 Iraq commando.

You know what I mean?

But the dude has taken out to go to like

three shows a year.

Right.

But it's steady.

Yeah.

It should be for that.

And there should be a better path for that.

And it's so sad that the Lennon's Luffin got shut down,

although no surprise.

You know, I will say to the credit of the people

who do the Montana thing, having watched that whole process,

I have now, and also with just some of my general knowledge

of California license plates and how they do registration,

I have watched government screw up so much BS

that it's like, it's hard not to sit there

and be like, these people are idiots, you know?

Yeah.

Like they're true idiots.

And that was the case with Lennon's law,

that the person, individual who killed that bill

is an idiot.

He's like, doesn't understand that these cars are all

being driven here, right?

Well, it's going to be a problem for smog.

No, it's not.

We're all driving them.

Yeah, they're already fucking here.

It's just that California's not getting the tax revenue.

Yeah.

And it's stuff like that just, that is annoying.

And so then you start to see these people

make this argument.

It's hard to argue against them in some online.

Yeah.

Because they're saying you're saying.

You know actually they're competent.

They're going to use the money great.

It's like, no, that's never going to happen.

I mean, that's the hard thing.

Like when you're, when I was in my 20s,

I was very optimistic about all that stuff.

And then as you age, you go, oh, we

are giving a lot of tax money.

And it's getting used for things

that most people don't even want.

But we get, you know, they work against our interests.

So then you start going, well, this is how it happens.

Right, right.

So I say, no taxation.

This is where the turn starts today.

I remain hopeful.

Oh, good.

You're still optimistic.

A little bit.

You still feel positive about the direction

of our country.

Oh, I didn't say that.

OK.

I, yeah, I don't mind paying the fucking taxes.

And I'm not about to say, as long as they're going somewhere.

I like, no.

Well, and it's basic situation.

The law is what the law is.

And that was kind of my point.

It's like, even if you don't like where the taxes are going,

this is democracy.

Get the law changed.

And the reason the law doesn't get changed

is because there's not a lot of people

when you stand up and say, I don't want to pay taxes

on my supercar.

There's not a lot of people who are like, all right,

let's change that law.

There's no will for that.

Yeah.

But I mean, the thing with Whistlin Diesel is like, dude.

Yeah, OK.

They shouldn't have arrested you.

But like, bro, what are you doing?

It's probably not hard to register a car in Tennessee.

That was the other thing.

I'm guessing.

We're talking about Tennessee.

It's true.

We're talking about Tennessee.

You're just ducking taxes.

And by the way, the other thing about this that no one's

really said, Tennessee has no staying income tax.

He's already getting a pretty good deal.

Right?

Like, just, just, you know, pigs get fat, hogs get

slaughtered.

It's a good example.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's, yeah, you should just let it be.

Or, bro, take the tag off in the video.

Put it, put it, put an electrical tape over it

like people do on Craigslist.

Oh, it's just dumb.

And you're going to be like, you're going to be sorry

for the shut up there.

You're going to have to pay this bill.

You're going to have to pay the bill.

Like, you're just, you just shut up and pay the bill and go on.

I don't mind him looking up for views, though.

I'm here for that.

God knows we've done that.

Registering a car in Tennessee costs about $92.

He does have to pay sales tax.

I didn't get to that part yet.

I'll find that.

Yeah.

I think sales tax is sales tax, no matter if it's a car

or a fucking t-shirt.

There are some states.

South Carolina has like a cap.

It has a tier.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tennessee is 7%.

Yeah.

And it's always like 7%.

At one point, I registered a car in Massachusetts.

People are like, you registered there

to save the difference on sales.

And I looked it up.

It was like 6.75 to 7.

I didn't even know before I did it.

6.75 to 7.25 or something.

It's like, trust me, this ain't that.

That's, okay.

So how many miles have you put on this turbo so far?

Like 2,000.

All right.

In like a month?

Yeah.

I bought it on October 5.

I had two months.

Cool.

Look at that.

Yes, I have driven them.

And they're lovely.

They're lovely.

They're really nice.

It is not a $250,000 driving experience.

No.

No 993 is.

No.

Except maybe like a GT2.

But those cost a million dollars.

And they are definitely not a million dollars.

For sure.

It's a great car.

And I love it dearly.

I am astonished at what people pay for them.

Why this though?

This, I mean.

Yeah, I always wanted one.

Because of the KillsBugs fast poster?

The poster is part of it.

And just, I had always wanted one.

I've always loved the 993 turbo ever since I first drove one almost 20 years ago.

And I always kind of wanted one.

And I know it never really left my mind.

Why Arena Red?

Because I always get my cars in the poster color.

Always.

Every one of my cars.

Yeah, think about it.

Even my E-Class station wagon.

You dig up a press photo.

It's those wheels too.

I'm going to say this.

I don't love Arena Red.

Actually, there's very few Porsche Reds I do like.

I don't think Red is a color that works for them.

I will tell you this.

In my pursuit to always get cars in the poster color,

I have had to buy cars and colors that I wasn't meant to.

But I just, for me, like my Green Land Rover,

I had a Green Defender.

Yeah.

I didn't like it.

But that was their color.

Sure, I remember that.

And Blue was definitely better.

But like, to me, that's just what it is.

That's just the car.

There isn't, in my mind,

there isn't a 993 turbo that isn't Arena Red.

Sure.

I mean, if you're going to scratch the childhood poster car niche,

it might as well fucking match.

Yeah.

You notice the poster I have in my office

is the 87 top speed shootout,

the one the yellowbird ended up winning.

Who shot that?

Jeff Zwart.

And the poster that I have is the photo of the Lambo.

From that shoot, it's the exact same spec as my car.

Same color, same everything, which is great.

And look at that.

Killsbugs fast.

I mean, possibly the most iconic thing.

I mistakenly attributed it to Jeff Zwart.

This is actually not a Zwart production,

but one of a few that wasn't Zwart.

You know, I got to tell you,

the thing that has surprised me the most

about getting this car and then announcing it

a couple of days ago, the number of people,

even people I haven't talked to in years,

who texted me and said,

I had that poster on my wall when I was a kid.

I had people reaching out.

I had Killsbugs fast.

I have it in my garage now.

I like...

Have you seen the door sill of my car?

The door sill of my spider is cuts hair fast

in the typewriter spot phone.

Because it's a fucking hair dresser.

Right, right.

I was a son of a bitch.

It is like the iconic poster.

I think it's probably the most iconic Porsche

at all time.

But I don't think I really realized

just how cultural it really was.

But yeah, I don't know.

It's cool.

I do think it's vastly overvalued.

And they continue to seem to be going up,

which I don't understand.

How rare are they?

I haven't really thought about this.

I don't actually know.

So this is...

Here's a little secret about me.

Even though I've said this a million times

and no one believes me,

but I really not that into Porsches.

I don't know that much about this car.

Oh, you got a buddy down the street

who's like, did you do this?

Has it had this?

Have you got this option?

I'm like, I literally do not know.

That's so funny.

I just wanted one.

And it's a really nice one.

Where'd it come from?

It came from Porsche Santa Clarita.

Our buddy, Beau Galpin,

they got it traded in.

And...

Fucking great.

Right.

And they had never really hit their website.

We like found it on their back-end software.

And I called them,

and they worked out a deal in their back-end.

Hacked into the mainframe.

We hacked into the mainframe.

Danger to manifold.

There is a story there.

So cars and bids,

we have these abilities to run a VIN and look in.

Like if we're looking for, for example,

a comp for putting a reserve on a car,

our back-end software ties into all the DMS,

the dealer's back-end software.

And show my inventory.

Show your inventory.

I don't have a 993 turbo, so not today.

So one of them popped up,

and one of our employees was like,

hey, I just ran a 993,

and this one has popped up in LA.

It's not on their website,

but give them a call.

And that was it.

Cool.

Worked out.

Arena red, black,

and that's that luxury leather.

Supple leather.

That's a weird one, isn't it?

Yeah, and a lot of them had it.

I do like it.

I don't know if I love the supple leather.

I don't care.

Like the non-supple leather was not that different.

Yeah.

You know, like it did quite have the ruffles.

Yours isn't as...

I've seen some where it really ruffled.

It's fucking bunched up,

you know, like one of those 90s couches.

This is, I'm telling you,

you go on Red List,

and there's 40 pages about this topic.

And it's like, oh, God.

What have I stumbled into here?

Yeah.

I can't believe the cult around this car.

Because it's fun.

It's nice.

It's soft, though.

Yeah, they are soft.

Like it's a pretty soft car.

They are soft.

Yeah.

And it's for $225.

I mean, you can buy some real cars

for that much money.

You can buy some like fizzy shit.

Really like exciting.

One sold on bringing the other day for $350.

Just a regular arena turbo.

That's crazy.

And that's a 4GT.

Like you could have an 05 4GT.

No.

So, I mean, maybe.

Kind of a rough one.

Brand new title.

Well, it's been hit.

But it is cool.

It's sad that I'll probably never have a 4GT.

It's a bummer.

You could get rid of that.

Countach there.

I could.

I wouldn't trade that for a 4GT.

I wouldn't either.

I would maybe condense other things at some point.

But I don't know.

4GT's the best.

Yeah.

I support this.

It's the best.

I know 4GT's.

I know it's the best.

But that doesn't like make me have 500 grand.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Like I don't have the money.

375.

You can go on for 375.

A shitter.

Mileage.

I don't want a shitter.

No.

A good car, but just one that's been mild.

The hard part is finding one.

I have it at various periods.

I have kind of gotten a little off my 4GT

not driven for a little while.

And I've thought about selling it.

And it always hits me like I will never

find another car with miles.

That's why I don't do it.

Yeah.

Like I will never be able to buy back in

to a car that I can use.

Yeah.

They never come up with miles.

So I got 44,000 miles.

People either are just keeping them forever.

Or they have zero miles.

Yeah.

The guys who drive them want to drive them.

And they do.

And then the zero mile cars are available 20 of them

at any given moment.

But like who wants that crap?

What am I going to do with that thing?

And then some of them are yellow.

And you know.

No, there's.

Looks like a bumblebee.

Just give me a fucking silver no stripe.

Oh, silver no stripe is gone.

That's a very valuable car.

You know, it's funny.

I came across a silver no stripe.

I came across the original order label

from Carl, the original owner of my car.

And it's just a piece of paper that you fax to Ford.

And it's these check boxes.

And I'm looking at it.

There's only four options.

There's four.

In the colors.

But I'm looking at.

I'm thinking if you checked these in a certain way,

you would have a $150,000.

Now at the time of the options were not.

They didn't have a cost or they were minimal.

But like just making certain decisions was a $150,000 value add or subtract.

You had no way of knowing that 20 years ago.

No.

In those cars, they couldn't even really move when they had trouble moving.

But like if you had chosen red with a stripe, that car is worth a hundred,

$200,000 less than if you had got a black no stripe car.

Silver no stripe car.

Obviously impossible to know at the time.

But like kind of funny to like look at the sheet of paper and think there was so much.

You probably didn't put that much thought into it.

But there was only four options to choose.

Yeah.

Spread of outcomes.

Yeah.

It's wired.

Yeah.

Same with, I mean, 918s is another one, you know, one white sock, non-white sock and whatever colors.

Like a Prius.

Yeah.

Like a Prius.

Automatic hybrid.

You're not driving that around thinking, well.

Do you drive your Carrera GT with an Lamborghini?

I don't, you don't drive it in a hybrid car.

I think legit car.

Legit car.

No, I'm always thinking, oh my god, I hope nothing happens to this.

I would rather have a Carrera GT.

But you don't drive a 918 around in like hybrid mode.

That's, that's really terrible.

You just click it to sport when you start it and then the engine just stays on.

And then it's, yeah, it's automatic, but like, it's like a McLaren or something.

Auto hybrid.

All right.

But I mean, I don't, I didn't buy one man.

What do you, what do you want from me?

Well, I do not enjoy the torque feel benefit on any hybrid supercar.

I do.

When I'm doing the videos, I love it.

But for me personally, I, I, it's hard for me to imagine a situation in which I would want

as a fun car during the rare moments when I'm not with my kids or doing family or working

to get into an automatic and be like, I'm going to go have some fun.

Like that is very rare.

I probably wouldn't.

I like, if I was rolling in cash, I would daily a McLaren 750.

That would be a, that would be your daily rolling in cash to be a crypto bro.

You could, how much rolling are we talking?

You could roll it.

You could, you could, you could.

Appreciation is no problem.

You could daily an F 50 in this rolling in cash situation.

I mean, I, you'd have to take out some kind of fucking weird loan.

But I guess, no, no, we're talking about your rolling in cash.

We need to define that.

That's the problem.

There's, there's even enough for a McLaren.

Even when he's rolling in cash, there's, there's a parameter.

There's a limit.

No, I guess I, I'm, I'm dreaming.

Hard working Americans.

Once again.

I'm not dreaming big enough.

I don't know.

750 s.

They're lovely every day.

You know what I want?

You know what you should get?

Actually, I'm not going to do it.

I'm done.

But you should, is a 430 scoot.

That car is taking off.

You can still get one for 275.

When I come on this podcast next year, they're going to be 500 cars.

I don't love them.

I don't, I don't either, but you should do it financially.

I don't love them.

They don't do anything for me.

Dude, challenge Stradales, which is an okay car.

But I'm just going to say, okay, that, those are half mill cars.

That's a, that's a crazy overvaluation is a Stradale.

They're, they're beautiful and they sound good.

And that's usually all that matters actually over time.

But, but it's a lot of money for a 360.

That's still kind of like a lot of 360.

Yeah.

But, but scoots haven't really taken off, but they're starting to.

This is a top tip for anybody out there.

I just don't love them, but that's good.

The 16 n's are now like pushing a million.

The convertibles.

That's also insane.

You couldn't spend more to get them.

They're fine.

They're fine, but you could not spend more to get them.

I got to think about that.

That is an interesting one.

Wait, oh yeah, you could.

No, you definitely could.

I mean, new Aston Martin.

Speaking of Aston Martin, you know what I want?

There's shit you could buy.

You could hide a million bucks and stuff pretty easily.

Yeah.

And you'd get objectively less.

Yeah.

I mean, the 430 scoot is at least still an NA VA limited production.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I really want?

A Toyota 2000 GT.

Yeah.

That's how you spend more to get them.

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Not much, not much there.

Tons of money.

You're going to get hate for the 2000 GT.

They're all so old.

They don't know how to use the internet.

It's fine.

Okay.

A car I really want to buy.

I'm waiting for two more years of depreciation.

The Aston Vanquish Zagato Shooting Brake.

Yeah.

Is it on a downward trajectory?

Dude, they're selling for 400.

They knew they were 900.

This was two, three years ago.

Yeah.

Now they're selling for 400, but they almost never come up

because there's only a hundred of them.

Yeah.

But you got to assume that a hundred.

Friend of mine had one of these, actually.

Really?

Yeah. He was an Aston dealer and he owns the local Aston Martin store

and kept it for himself.

It's pretty amazing.

It's just like it's a wag.

Like this is cool.

It's so pretty.

I think to me it's like a 225 car.

They're still selling for 400.

Sticker was 900.

I'm waiting for that to 900.

It was 900.

Wow.

What do you think transaction prices were though?

Like on a 900 Aston that you know is going to get killed on value.

What discount do you think they're doing?

Like 250 off?

Yeah, 200.

200 off.

Imagine that.

I'll throw in a Vantage.

Yeah.

Yeah, you get one off.

I'll just throw this in.

And I would say no thanks.

New Vantage Roadster.

Quite nice.

Still going to appreciate it like crazy.

Like Aston at the end of the day can never get away from the problem.

They make a one of 100 Zagato one off body style

and it's still a third of its value.

Three years later.

V12 Vantage six speeds are.

They are valuable.

Quite delightful.

That car was not that beloved when it was new.

Which is weird because it was awesome to drive.

It was awesome then.

It was talked about then.

Everybody's like, oh, this is cool.

And almost right away after it was no longer available,

there became this kind of cult around that car.

Yeah.

Not so much of this.

Yes, Vanquish Zagato.

Yes.

It's like an M coupe.

Will it dog?

Yeah.

It's like an M coupe with leg room.

Exactly.

You get one.

You have to get a camo interior.

You get one of these and a 430 scoot

and you are rocking it.

No, I would need a manual.

430 manual.

You stick swap the 430 scoot.

Yeah.

Not that is, I saw yesterday one of the real 599 manuals

and it made me think that is actually the move

is the 599 manual swap because they are quite cheap.

599s are so cheap.

They're $115,000.

I don't understand.

How does that make sense?

Well, if it needs brakes, they're 40.

That's one way.

You know, I got to tell you though,

my buddy Nick just bought this SLR from Hoovey.

And SLR brakes is like a big story with that car.

Those cars, soft balls.

Have you ever driven one?

I love them.

Junk.

Those things stink.

Because they're fast and they're incredibly cool looking

and they require nothing.

Like, they're not temperamental in any way.

And that's kind of the funny thing about the SLR.

The story of the SLR is the brakes.

Everybody's like, oh, when they fail, well, they don't fail.

They never do.

Yeah.

Like, and that's not going to happen.

We did this one.

This was a stick swap.

It's only got 1,300 miles.

It was a bizarre car to convert.

That's a weird one to convert.

Oh, this was a no-sail at 220.

Yeah, which...

They should have let that go.

Sorry, bud.

Probably.

That's a bad one.

But here's a...

But look at that.

Look at that.

There's one.

There's this yellow one.

111.

Dude, this yellow one died at fucking 103.

And then the blue one sold for 111.

Boy, you put the stock wheels back on that car.

You get another 15 grand.

Yeah, wow.

We're sure.

People don't realize that.

People who do aftermarket wheels,

we try to tell this to people and they just won't accept it.

Yeah.

People don't realize that their taste in aftermarket wheels

is never the market's taste in aftermarket wheels.

Just sell them wheels separately, which is what I'm doing with my wheels.

Sometimes we see cars come and the aftermarkets will be off the car

and they'll have a picture with the stock wheels separate.

And it's like, dude, take an hour and get them back on the car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It will do wonders for you.

Dude, 111.

This is a 111 grand for this car?

111.

That's crazy.

This is what these go for, too.

Like, 130 is like a pretty expensive 599.

Wow.

Imagine that with a manual.

So then you swap it for what, 30?

What are those for?

30 with labor.

So you're driving around for 140 in a manual V12 Ferrari.

Meanwhile, a 550 Marinello is a 200 car and is slower and is worse.

Drives worse than these.

Absolutely.

They're beautiful, those cars, but these drive way better.

Way better.

These cars are so flat.

They are such good cars to drive.

Yeah.

They are so, so, so excited.

I don't want this blue.

Why don't you do this?

I should just do this.

I think a lot about how I would sell the NSX and just do this.

Yeah.

For the same money.

What's that NSX itself, a 150?

I'm hoping more than that.

I don't know the market.

20,000 mile 05.

I'm hoping for, is it bad for me to say?

I don't know.

Do you think it is?

I will say.

You own the auction site, asshole.

I'll tell you this.

Here's a little auction site top tip.

Okay.

Whenever people say my reserve is off, that's it.

That kills bidding.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bidding is done at that point.

Yeah.

Because at that moment, people think they are overpaying.

Yeah.

And it works at Barrett Jackson when everybody's drunk

and everybody's all excited.

But the moment I see it on Bring a Trailer 2,

and the moment people are like the reserve is off,

that's the end.

So this black one is, that would have been a good price a year ago.

I think the market is up a little.

Yeah.

I mean, this was two years ago, right?

Almost two years ago.

This car would get more now.

This car would bring something starting with a 2 today.

This particular car would bring some service.

Here's another car I'd rather have than a 993 Turbo.

If I was going on objective driving experience.

Like at 225, like that's a pretty cool car.

It is.

I don't know.

I would be, I don't want to say how much I want to get for it.

But I'll tell you when we're not public.

Wow.

And you tell me if you think I'm nuts.

But then we'll have to.

I think this is a very good car.

And it also just had the major engine out service,

which is $6,500.

Oh.

So does a Honda do that or an Acura dealer do that?

I wouldn't take it there.

Evasive Motorsports is an NSX specialist.

And there's another NSX specialist in LA

that is known for.

I was going to ask about that because it's interesting to me.

Like with Ferraris and Porsches,

there's all these specialists.

But another car I want to get,

which is another radically overvalued car,

is a Mark IV Super Turbo.

Yeah.

And I'm thinking, where the hell would I take it?

You can't take that thing to a Toyota dealer.

But is there a shop that like does?

There are.

Yeah, there are.

You can soak out for sure.

And then they're easier than Skylines.

Sky, it would be easier to get a thousand horsepower Skyline

motor than to get your air conditioning fixed in America.

You know what I mean?

Like I actually had that problem.

I could find 12 people that would build me

some fucking fast and furious fire shooting thing.

And I was like, I need my air conditioning

charged up.

Sorry.

Sorry, bro.

That's so true.

That is such a great point.

You missed this one, Doug.

Sorry.

Oh, wow.

This is top secret review.

So many of them are like this.

This is a car.

I look at this car and I think that guy,

the moment he drives that, is going to the state ref.

That dude is getting pulled over at the mall.

Look at that.

I was like, I got California plates.

This guy should do Montana.

He's probably going to be in less trouble

if he does Montana.

That's funny.

We get downstairs.

We have a 1,500 horsepower Supra.

It's very pretty.

So what happened to a lot of them

was they got modded to these crazy ones.

And what I want is a bone stock one.

Have you ever driven a bone stock one?

It's very underwhelming.

Yeah.

That's what I'm looking for.

It's so expensive.

That's in a couple years when I'm done with the 993 turbo,

that's what I want to replace it with.

A bone stock boring Supra turbo.

Get one with a little power.

Just like downpipes and stuff.

There's a 15% increase over stock.

I want to sit there.

It livens it up a bit.

No.

I want to sit there in my manual turbo.

And I want to flex all these guys.

I could do this.

But look at my restraint.

You want to walk softly and carry the big stick.

That's so funny.

You're like, I am a monk.

A monk.

I am it.

I'm so tempted, but I don't.

The temptation does not.

I have achieved total zen.

You're like someone living in a studio apartment

who has $10 million in a bank.

Right.

You're just like, I'm not going to spend it.

I'm not going to do it.

State of total enlightenment.

I think they'd be a really nice thing

to drive long distance.

Like great GT cars.

They're just not the best sports cars.

Honestly, that's kind of how I feel

about this 993, though.

Like it's a pretty good car to drive in the freeway,

et cetera.

It is not the car I would take to on a mountain drive.

Does this particular one that cars and bids

have like Lexus seats?

Look at these, those seats.

Those are.

Yeah, they look like, absolutely.

Those are Lexus, like, RCS or RC500 seats.

They look pretty good.

You know what?

That works.

Yeah, that works.

That's a good mod.

Maybe I would do that one mod.

The stock seats.

All those, NSX, the RX7, the Supra, none of the 300ZX,

none of the seat shapes have held up over time.

Why were they afraid of bolsters back then?

Like, look at that seat.

Like, look at those bolsters.

They're, you know, it's like these.

They're like, they're way back.

It's like, hey, is it a little cold in here?

But in the 90s, like, flat seats.

And if you did anything more than flat seats,

it was like, very easy.

Ridiculous.

Those look good.

I would do that mod to my Supra.

That's a good mod.

I like that one.

I just, what I want, the thing that people,

I think, don't understand about them.

Since you're all candy and no water,

I'm just going to take this one.

I want, what I want is, I have three really intense cars.

And for this fourth car, I want something

I can bring my kids to daycare and, like,

just have fun, but not too much fun,

because I want the other cars to have that role.

And so, that's why I want to mark four.

My Porsche is for the mountain.

That's, it's for that.

It's not great at much else.

Yeah.

The Kuntosh is for Malibu, you know,

hopefully I'd like to drive it to Car Week,

one of these years.

Did you drive yours to Car Week?

I shipped it, but only because I was coming from it.

I wasn't going to be able to.

Okay.

It was amazing.

I'd like to do that.

That experience, I also showed it at Quail.

That experience was...

So did I.

See, that's true.

Damn it, nobody's ever, nobody's ever clapped back.

Never be like, yeah, I was there too.

And the banks cost less, by the way, than your Kuntosh.

You know, a lot of cars at Quail cost less than my Kuntosh.

My banks is a fucking, is a game genie cheat code to a whole bunch.

Where was your car parked?

I didn't see it there.

I'm just kidding.

Speaking of Quail, you guys were there.

How about the 14 Shelby GT35?

Like at some point, and I love that event.

At some point, aren't you like, you know,

nine is the, they all look, they're literally identical.

Were there all nine F50s, I think?

Oh, I liked those though.

That was good.

No, have you ever been to a DeLorean club?

Let me tell you, hey, where did I park is the real issue.

It must be because they literally look the same.

Having that car at Carbic was so much fun.

I bet.

So much fun.

It was your, it was the only car.

Yeah, it was the only car I brought.

So we were like filling it up at 9 p.m.

It was so much fun.

Was it okay with the traffic and stuff?

A couple times after some really spirited drives,

I had trouble restarting because I think the starter

motor got hot, but you just let it sit for a couple of minutes.

It cooled and it was fine.

That's awesome.

I think that, I think that's how they were.

Like my suspicion is that, that's, you know.

You're asking it for something that it wasn't really built to do?

I mean, we did, I did almost 300 miles,

five days, like just, you know,

it runs down the PSA.

I just mean all the traffic and stuff.

All the traffic was a lot.

The Manx happens to be very good in traffic.

And so the Manx.

What trans is in that?

It's like a four speed Porsche.

It's a manual?

Yeah.

But like the clutch is so loud.

Yeah.

You wear headphones?

If I'm driving it by myself for any kind of distance,

I will wear earbuds,

but like for most of Car Week, no, I didn't.

Damn.

You legit.

It was awesome.

You're way more legit than I am.

No, no, no, no.

No, you are.

But Carintosh for Car Week is fabulous.

That was pretty much what I am legit at.

I'm going to do that one of these years,

but like, because that's like, I don't mean to like be

I don't want to sound like elitist

in terms of like the value of your car.

Like it's not about that.

Like like what kind of and I'm glad that like

young people are into hypercars.

I'm glad they're in fucking something.

Right.

But like the sort of hypercarification of Pebble,

like like I have like our friend,

our friend Sam who has been on the show.

He's he's part the head of the group

that bought Willow Springs.

He's redeveloping it.

Fucking loaded.

Post economic, you might say.

He drove a 1952 Hudson Hornet NASCAR for Pebble for Car Week.

You know what I mean?

Like a little it required a little something,

a little something extra besides money, a little risk.

Right.

Maybe it's going to break down.

Maybe he's going to find some fucking side

of the road shop to fix this thing.

You know what I mean?

Like a little money can't buy.

Right.

Je ne sais quoi.

This is interesting.

And actually the car wasn't even all that valuable

because who's even looking for these things?

Just look like Doc Hudson.

I agree.

That to me.

Nice.

You know what I mean?

That to me is like the special thing.

Yeah.

And driving that car up there, I will say,

despite the hypercarification of Monterey,

kids were obsessed.

And it was cool for me because I was one of those kids

not long ago, like literally was one of those kids

like sleeping in a station wagon,

like taking pictures of all the cars,

like to be able to see,

to be able to actually drive it.

And it was cool.

Like the kids with the kids respect and recognize it.

Now I was a little disappointed.

In San Diego, I have the only Kuntash.

Nobody that we know has any other Kuntashes.

Like I go to Gary Babeloff's shop,

which is down there.

He doesn't work on any local ones, but mine.

There's none.

It's me.

So I go up there.

Literally, I'm pulling in.

I land at the airport, get my car,

drive down to Ocean Avenue and Carmel,

and another one pulls right up next to me.

And then a mirror.

Yeah, yeah.

Nothing here.

Yeah, you can't out fucking compete any of these folks.

There's no car.

Just don't even try.

Yeah.

That's why the Manx, again, it sort of exits that system.

You're not even trying.

You're just doing your own thing.

It's just a weird other thing.

That doesn't mean ideally, maybe next year,

I could celebrate the car being back together

by driving it up there.

Like I would.

I would fucking drive it no problem.

Right.

I would do it.

It's a great highway car.

You would take it all the way up there?

Like a helmet on?

What?

Well, you put like a helmet on.

Are you talking about a Manx?

Yeah, the Manx.

No, no, I meant the Kuntash.

No, I meant the Kuntash.

You can't drive that.

No, I would not drive the Manx up there.

I towed it with a Bentley.

The Kuntash, you can't drive up there.

It's too long.

What do you mean?

It's too long.

Why?

It's too long.

From San Diego.

It's longer from San Diego.

So there's another 120 miles,

but also it's just like a lot of time in that car.

Plus, don't you kind of feel every time you're driving

your Kuntash like you might be on borrowed time?

You want to make sure these miles count.

You want to have the miles go up there.

You don't want to break down the moment you're pulling in.

I mean, to a degree, yes.

I won't like run errands in it and just go into traffic

because that feels unnecessary.

But no, I would drive it up.

I would take the 101.

I wouldn't take the 5.

I would make a thing of it.

I would do it because a couple of years ago,

I drove the 328 up there and then used it.

And it really was a total package experience that was very special.

Yeah, if I was in LA, I might consider it.

It's 240 more miles.

Yeah.

I would do it with my 4GT, for sure.

That car is dead reliable.

That's big enough.

I sometimes fantasize about driving that car all the way across the country.

I genuinely think that my Kuntash, when it goes back together,

should be pretty bulletproof.

Once I get through the initial, what you call the 110, 101,000,

when you put a car back together,

something happens in mile one and you fix it.

And then something happens in mile 10 and you fix it.

Then you get 100 miles.

And then once you get past 1,000 miles, your car is bulletproof.

I got my Kuntash back from George Evans, luminary.

I didn't have any issues.

He pulled the motor out.

We did 50 grand in work.

No 110, nothing.

And I've been nervous about driving that car,

like all Kuntash owners are.

And it didn't break down on me until 2,600, 2,700 miles

into the experience.

And even then, it was just the distributor

and they had it fixed in 24 hours.

What my distributor went, that was the only thing

that actually put me on the side of the road ever in four years

with the car was the distributor.

We have that in common now because it's the only thing,

it's the only problem I've had.

Did you have to get yours rebuilt?

No, they had one and they were able to.

Oh, they did.

I don't even know that the distributor's like the gears.

I didn't exactly look in.

I was at a town rental hat when it all got fixed.

But it wasn't that expensive and they had it done in a day.

We had a mine got like basically just gunked up with shit.

Like those, the gears inside it were like gunked up

and basically seized.

Yeah, it's the greatest.

It will be great.

It will be great again.

I heard a video of it running on an engine dyno

and it sounded absolutely beautiful.

So I'm very excited.

There were things I was told that I could do

by somebody at this company that I was later

once this person no longer worked at the company,

told were actually not possible.

For instance, I was told that I could do

European camshafts instead of the US ones.

And that I could do one or two other things that,

oh, European exhaust manifolds rather than the US spec ones

which look like wrapped hams.

They're really strange.

Yeah.

And I was told that I could do those things

and it could make more power.

Well, it turns out you actually can't.

It turns out that the European cams do not work

with injected engines like they just don't.

And it turns out that beginning in 87,

they had the same exhaust, European,

and they all had the US spec exhaust.

So the European exhaust doesn't actually even

fit properly on this car.

So yeah, no, there would be no point to doing it.

So anyway, here we are.

Here we are.

Stock engine.

Look at that.

Look at that beautiful car.

Worst thing you have to deal with is stock

Coontosh engine.

Boo.

You know, mine's, I got forged pistons.

Mine's been bored and stroked.

By the, by the.

Really?

Yes.

I got a built motor in my Coontosh

and I want my Mark 4 Super Turbo to be stock.

That is weird.

That's a little bit of a blast owner to that.

The only owner the car ever really had did it.

This was a 5.2?

I don't know what it is now.

It was, you know, a 4.8 liter V8

like they all were at that time

and it's bored out to some larger amount.

And I wonder what it is.

I got forged pistons,

which all this stuff I think has

enhanced the reliability of the car.

I was told that when the car went in for the,

in 2005 for this massive service,

which was 70 grand,

which probably about the value of the car,

basically the motor had started.

There was like corrosion or something

needed to be done.

It needed to be rebuilt or something had to be done.

And so they boarded out a little bit

and put in the forged pistons.

So I got a built Coontosh motor.

Boom.

I wonder what.

You got an R34.

I got a.

So wait, yours is an S, right?

Yeah.

Side draft 2 valve S.

I wonder if.

That's how God intended the Coontosh.

I wonder if, if yours,

so have you ever seen the spacer plates?

Yeah, from you because of you.

Yeah.

I wonder if yours had different spacer plates

and they, or they put different spacer plates.

That's a good question.

I don't know.

To make the cylinders, that's interesting.

I should call George Evans is the one who did it.

And he said he used to do it a lot back then.

I'm just, I'm going to sound like a fucking idiot.

There's got to be a test that they can do

to determine the actual displacement of the engine.

Well, I mean they put the pistons in.

So like they know the, that's, I'm like, they must, right?

Like the, but I don't know.

But it is bored out.

So I'm going to say, yeah, I got a five and a half.

Big ol.

There it is.

Do you remember last time I was on this podcast,

I insulted Joe Saki.

I regret it so dearly.

Okay.

Joe Saki, a visionary in the car world.

Okay.

So I'm always looking for a cheap F40.

I'm never going to do it because the cheap F40

has now become too expensive for me.

And Joe was sort of looking for one for me.

Like he, I didn't commission him to do it,

but he would text me every six months or so,

being like, I found this one.

So he like kind of knew that if he put the right car

in front of me, I might bite.

And then I made fun of him on this podcast,

but I haven't heard from him since.

Shit.

I don't think he listens, but maybe someone told him.

Someone sent it to him.

Someone told him.

Yeah.

Look, there's some F40s.

No, I was just at this guy's collection yesterday

and he had a 45,000 mile F40 that he apparently

sent to DK and had them do the full mechanical thing

and like leave the rest of it rough.

And apparently he rips on it.

They're gone.

They're gone now.

The Gas Monkey F40 came up for sale.

Oh, well.

I went real hard on it to try to get it.

Really?

And what did it go for?

I don't know.

It was at a dealership and I lost it.

I offered a pretty low amount,

but they were kind of interested.

We went back and forth and it didn't end up working out.

But that car, the Gas Monkey F40,

is back to red with stock wheels and stock interior

and you would never know.

No way.

And in fact, at one, I spoke to Houston

Cruster who was a previous owner of it

and he told me that a couple owners before him,

there was a guy who bought it who didn't know.

That's so funny.

How many owners have it had since then?

I don't know since Gas Monkey,

but a famous baseball player bought it

after Gas Monkey went to Barrett Jackson.

It sold to somebody legit like Reggie Jacks.

Somebody like that bought it.

And then it got caught up in a scam.

It was seized by the government.

And then a couple people,

then this guy who bought it who didn't know,

there's the Gas Monkey.

I mean, it's had a path.

Oh my God, this is great.

And that's the car for you.

But that is exactly the car for me.

And if not you, it's not you, Ed Bolian, for sure.

And let me tell you, yeah.

Houston told me that it drove well.

When he added it, it drove well.

It was like totally fine.

But it was just a little too expensive even for me.

It had serious damage.

The car was in a serious accident

and then there's a scene.

And this is the thing that will dog this car

for the rest of its life.

Maybe you remember this,

but there's a scene in that Gas Monkey

where they're putting it back together.

And they've done this computer simulation

of exactly how where everything should fit.

And they take the chassis and fit it in this exact spot

so everything to the millimeter matches up.

And they get the car and they're putting it all back together.

And one of the engine mounts is this far off.

Completely doesn't fit.

And they're like, eh, just weld it.

And so they like either cut the chassis

or weld it in some way.

And that was how they solved that problem

and they just moved on.

And who knows if that was just a TV thing?

TV build F40, dude.

Who knows if that even happened, right?

But that story will always be told about that car.

That's crazy.

Yeah, yeah.

No, shit happens on TV.

It happens forever.

Right.

Like a Bob Ross paint.

Right.

That's on YouTube now.

That clip would go around YouTube.

And I told a couple of people I was interested in the car

and they were like, did you see this?

And you're going to have to defend that.

15 years ago.

Even if it was like,

even if the whole thing was repaired properly,

you'd have to tell that story forever.

Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, you want to do some questions?

No, I just, I was closing a tab.

I wasn't sure.

So let's go with a couple of questions.

Because, oh man, we've been on it.

What time is it?

It's 11.30.

What time do you have to go?

I don't have a time.

OK, cool.

This is the most wonderful time of the year.

Doug has eaten eight almond joys

and three Milky Way.

This is my Christmas.

You know what Christmas is like at my house now?

There's screaming and toys

and the Lego gets open

and has to immediately be put together

this is my Christmas.

Sure.

You're welcome.

I'm happy to be welcome.

I'm surprised.

It doesn't even look like

that bowl of candy's been touched.

I just, even this is, I'm like,

I don't do that.

Audio is Doug is flying right now.

It's like Cookie Monster.

Do you know that Cookie Monster,

you guys probably don't watch

the Sesame Street,

but Cookie Monster,

you know how he used to eat the cookies?

Yes, yeah.

Apparently he now is converted

to being like a gluten free.

Yeah, he's like salad eating now

because they didn't want to teach

the children this bad habit.

And that's me now.

I want to tell all the listeners out there,

I've only done this for the sake of tradition.

And entertainment.

It is, I mean,

when they're all laid out in the pile there,

it does look a little bit

compulsive almost.

It's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, wow.

Okay, let's go to the people.

Let's go to the fucking people.

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How many people, how many people you got on Patreon?

Do you announce these numbers?

Or is this a private company?

We don't say.

You making big bank from it?

Huh?

You making big though.

It does good.

You'll find it in the Panama Papers too,

otherwise we're not telling anybody.

Yeah.

Daily and Explorer ST says,

what can we fans expect

from each of you in 2026?

What are you doing in 2026?

I'm not doing anything.

I didn't shouldn't have bought this

993 Turbo.

What are you doing?

Well, I just, I told you before

about this Mercedes project.

Uh-huh.

That's gonna be cool.

Fun LA cruiser.

The hypothetical E500 Cabriolet.

Yep.

Uh, hopefully finishing the Countach

finally after three and a half years.

It'll be four when it's done.

We were thinking maybe instead

of Car Week this year,

Dream Cruise.

Oh my god, I know.

One year I wanted to do.

Do you want to go?

I'm almost certainly going to be

on the East Coast this summer

for both of these events, but,

Yeah, but you could leave Nantucket.

For a weekend.

Detroit.

We don't leave.

I have a rule.

I don't leave.

Watch it there, you see.

I literally, that is like

literally my rule.

No traffic lights from June and July.

I, Dream Cruise is the same week

which is such a shame.

Yeah, I don't know why they do that.

Have you ever been,

have you ever been down Woodward

on just a normal Saturday night

in the summer?

Yeah, yeah.

It's, it's like.

It's crazy.

It's a good time.

It's so cool.

Yeah, I haven't been to Dream Cruise

in 10 years, but I like to go back.

You have been before.

I've been, yes.

I've been two or three times.

It is fun.

Yeah.

And I think if I go this year,

I want, I want like,

I want to drive like concept cars.

Like I want to go like,

I want someone to pull some

shit out of the museum.

Can I tell you something?

I drove a Cadillac,

go to, can you go to my Instagram?

I drove a Cadillac concept car

from the 80s.

This is the greatest thing

that ever happened.

Scroll down.

Wait, not that one.

That's the one from

Demolition Man, dude.

Okay, it turns out

the two door was from

Demolition Man.

This is the four door.

Oh, you're right.

Look at that.

God damn.

Look at that.

I drove that.

Was that one called?

This is called the voyage.

The two door was called the

the two door had some other name

that made you think

it was going to go anywhere.

But in truth,

it can't leave the

General Motors Technical Center

campus,

which is ironic.

Oh, because you all,

you also drove the new one,

the new, the new Cadillac.

I drove the Celestic.

Yeah.

Was it awesome?

It is so good.

Like it is absolutely

Rolls Royce Bentley quality.

Yeah.

And they'll sell none of them.

They'll sell none.

Who's paying $400 for a Cadillac?

Have you driven one?

No, I'd love to.

It was amazing.

Like my video's coming.

Watch the video,

even though I'm going to talk about it.

I don't care, actually.

It was so good.

It truly drove like a Rolls Royce.

It was so comfortable.

The fit and finish is unbelievable.

It is a $400,000 base price.

Yeah.

They'll sell none.

And they're going to depreciate.

I really would love to drive one though.

Oh, that might be the depreciation station.

Yeah.

That's that's where we need to go.

Pick one of those up for $125

next Thursday.

Yeah, yeah.

That could be the move.

But I drove the concept car and what I learned is,

you know, none of them,

you don't want to drive a concept car.

Oh, no.

It's hot probably, right?

Windows don't open.

It's hot.

No HVAC.

It's hot.

There's no HVAC.

They don't.

Okay.

So that you see a front wheel spats.

Okay.

So you're turning radius a little fucked up.

On the contrary, this particular car,

one of its futuristic inventions was

that it had the covers of the front wheels

for aero for fuel efficiency,

like they will in the future.

But when you turn the wheel,

an electronic actuator came out,

opened up the things,

and you could turn no problem.

Well, that's pretty cool.

That's what they told people as the concept car.

In reality, when you turn the wheel,

what happens is the electronic actuator

is your front wheels.

And so you turn them and they push it up.

Wow.

Yeah.

Otherwise, the actuator would react so quickly.

Like in a parking garage or something.

Yeah.

The car is a fapping concept.

Yeah.

It's absurd.

Oh, that's so funny.

That's so true.

Any trim on the steering, it would have to pop up.

Autofrost.

Yeah.

Is there a little roller on the inside of it to the tire?

There is something like that.

But you could hear it.

Like you're driving around.

I'm halfway through the drive.

I'm like, what is that?

He's like, oh, that's the wheel pushing on the...

I'm like, I thought there was an electronic actuator.

That's so funny.

Yeah, it's hot.

This car has a rear-view mirror camera that works still.

No way.

This car had some really advanced stuff.

This is like 94.

It was like 89.

Oh, was it that old?

Somewhere in there.

I don't remember.

I had the video go up in like a month.

And I got used to it.

That front end is very much the Associate Bob Demolition Man car.

Yeah.

The two-door one looked basically identical.

But you don't want to be...

And the other thing is the automakers.

I actually have to give huge...

I think our relationships with the automakers

should be a little bit more adversarial than it is.

But you have huge props to GM for letting me do this.

Like, they gain nothing from this.

Like they're letting me review a 30-year-old concept car

that is...

You can make fun of it if you wanted to.

Yeah, yeah.

It doesn't represent anything they're doing right now.

And it's not furthering anybody's goals.

But I did it and it was cool.

But it's just whimsy.

It's for whimsy.

What am I...

Yeah, that's right.

What am I going to do in 26?

Nothing.

Cool.

Jill, you're going to start using the word winter as a verb

as well as the word summer.

Dude, I wish my kids school.

Not one of my steak.

The school schedules are real disaster.

Yeah.

Rage against the mock E.

Should manuals and SUVs come back?

No.

What did you think of that Cayenne sale?

That green Cayenne we sold for 125.

I am extremely confused by it.

It makes absolutely no sense.

You don't think that makes no sense?

People all the time are buying these cars

for ridiculous money on the auction sites

that are just absurd.

A V6 Cayenne?

What are we doing?

You're going to find a green manual?

Why would I want a green manual?

Talk about an overpriced driving experience.

Why would I want...

Why would I want half the cars out there, okay?

You see that Philip sent his Cayenne

back to Sundervunsch to have it redone?

That's a...

I have opinions.

Post-economic.

Whatever, man.

Whatever you want to do.

Dude, I got to tell you.

I don't know if you've been paying attention,

but like among the Courage GT owners...

So a lot of Courage GT owners

have been sending their cars back.

The results have been

some of the ugliest things

that you've ever seen in your life.

I'm going to show you this picture.

Okay, so I was in...

I'll send this to you so you can post it.

I went to Porsche Atlanta

to Porsche Classic

and they wouldn't let me take pictures.

And they showed me inside their

restorations for a variety of cars.

There was multiple Courage GTs.

There was a bunch of GT3RS 4.0s

that people wanted in other colors

besides white or black.

Couple of them were cool.

One or two were cool.

I saw perhaps the ugliest Courage GT

I've ever seen.

What color was it?

It was a Jewish racing gold champagne

but not done well.

Okay, check this out.

Because this has been going on.

And I got to tell you,

I honestly think that someday

having this silver car

that it hasn't had this done to it

is going to be valuable.

This Courage GT went back

and the guy wanted all purple carbon.

But they couldn't do the front bumper

because the bumper wasn't carbon.

Because the bumper is not carbon?

So you have this shut line?

I'm sorry.

Is this just a plastic bumper unpainted?

This is a multi-million dollar

recommission.

That's finished?

This is finished.

That's insane.

The carbon and the bumper,

they meet and they're at odds.

And so it emphasizes the fact

that the hood and the bumper

are different colors.

Like a guy who's got a junkyard

parked for his Toyota Celica.

Like Magnus' 996?

Yeah, right.

That's crazy.

Two million?

It looks like he had a leather bra on it

for 10 years and took it off.

In fact, they'd wrap it in one layer,

you know, one outer layer.

Right, just wrap it.

Know what, in one layer of carbon,

for that kind of money.

For that kind of money, do that.

The one layer of carbon on the out...

What the fuck?

And that isn't even the worst.

Someone sent me a picture.

That's about the worst I've seen.

It's pretty bad.

Someone sent me a picture.

Someone did a guard's red one

and they switched it into orange

with black wheels

and the windshield eight pillars are black

and it's like guards red.

They're all like fifties.

Yeah, guards red is pretty good on a career duty.

I would not take that out.

That's when people were like,

yes, I saw Philips build there

and it was a...

Not what I would have done.

I think Philips has pretty good taste and stuff.

I think the way he sees color and texture is really good.

I think that Porsche really wants as much money

as they can at this current situation.

They're at a juncture where money is nice

and they are saying yes to everything.

And they, I think, were so...

They're trying to find a way to do an Atelier type of thing

because imagine how mad you are if you're Porsche.

That singer can build a 930 turbo today.

And charge three million.

And sell it for a million.

And the other thing is the unsaid thing here

is that all these people who are...

whose primary interest in Porsches

is the colors and the stitching and the leather.

On those cars like career duty,

they were all silver basically.

So you couldn't do that

even if you had been able to buy one new.

You couldn't have done it really back then.

Page of Sample was barely available.

And so here's the opportunity to let your Porsche flag fly.

Sure.

Harlequin E63 AMG is the online enthusiast car auction marketplace

going in the wrong direction.

High-end stuff still commands a premium

and reaches the right bidders.

But is there a concern that the watering down

of the marketplace is driving it to become eBay motors?

I'm not sure what the evidence is for this question.

What do we got right now that looks watered down?

We got good stuff, I bet.

Has it been watered down?

I think that.

I don't see anything on the front page

that is not at least reasonably enthusiastic.

I think there's another auction site

that has started selling a lot more.

It has been interesting to watch.

Parts and eBay stuff, which has been surprising.

The parts.

That but also it has been interesting

to watch what's happened to bring a trailer

ultimately with new ownership

who's trying to maximize value.

I've been surprised by it because

we've seen cars that we've rejected show up there.

They've definitely started to do some kind of lesser.

Not that we don't have.

I think the truth is, though,

I don't even hate them for that

because ultimately there's an enthusiast for everything.

We have this guy who works with us, Kenan,

who's obsessed with the E39M5

and occasionally will run one that's really rough

and he gets mad.

He's like, we shouldn't be the site selling this.

I'm like, yeah, but someone wants to make a track car.

Someone wants it to do a build.

Or I don't know, there's a market

for the salvage title stuff.

I don't know.

I don't think it's watered down.

You look at that crossblade.

You want one of those?

The crossblade, you know, at the right price.

You know what it is?

It's the wrong price.

The right price for me is like $5,000,

but they're worth like $50,000.

They sell for $50,000.

Do you believe that?

I went hard on one that we had.

Well, remember that shitpile smart car,

SEMA build that I had that you ended up selling?

I mean, that's the same thing.

That's fucking, he got $30,000 for that thing.

I gave it away.

I gave it away for basically nothing.

Kind of awesome actually.

These, we've sold, this is the fifth one we've auctioned.

The fifth one.

I went really hard on the third one

and tried to get in there.

I thought I could get it for like high 30s.

And it's sold for like 57.

This would be a fabulous stand-tucket machine.

It would be so cool.

And that's what I was going to use it for.

Bro, do you know what I just saw?

Hannah just found this.

There's these guys, the fucking these homies,

that are getting little tykes cozy coupes

and making like a frame for them

with big gold, like Dayton looking bicycle wheels

and driving these fucking things around.

They are the sickest, they're so sick looking.

But they're so small, like they're not enlarging the cozy.

You know, they're like adults and these things,

like fucking cruising around on these gold Dayton wheels.

That is amazing.

Can you pull this from this side?

I'm trying to find it.

Alfa Romeo Montreal smoked meat.

What is the Mount Rushmore of glaring

automaker missed opportunities,

such as Chevy not launching a Raptor competitor

and Nissan killing the X-Terror

right before the mark got hot?

Those are two good ones.

Ferrari not doing manual, I think it's crazy.

Ferrari not making manuals.

I think I get that it's slower and all that,

but like they would make,

if they came out with a limited edition of 200 manual,

whatever, people would pay, whatever.

Yeah.

I think that's pretty wild,

especially for a public company.

I think it's wild that they don't do that.

That is actually, I can't think of a bigger one

than the revenue that they could be making,

just doing manual,

a tiny percentage of manual versions of their regular stuff.

You have to get it certified.

Whatever it would cost,

I guarantee you could make twice that back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Meanwhile, Lambo hoars out everything,

like they'll bring the Countach bag,

like let's do whatever we can

to make a little bit of money.

I'm here for that.

That's what Lambo has always represented.

My girlfriend grows to another school in Montana.

Who are fast wagons really for?

Nobody with the ability to buy a fast wagon

is limited to only one car.

You know, that is such an interesting question.

That's a good point, actually.

Right now, I have, as a press card,

the new E53 AMG wagon.

The 53 engine is kind of nice, isn't it?

It's nice, but I was asking,

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I took it to play tennis and I got out

and I was thinking,

I either want to be in a comfortable car

right now because I'm exhausted,

or a sports car to have a nice ride home,

and it's neither.

Yeah.

And I do wonder that,

like, unless you're in New York City

with literally one parking space,

it's kind of a weird thing.

Our E450 station wagon does 0.60 in 4.6 seconds.

And it's 10 times more comfortable

and half the price as an E53.

It's like, how do I justify

why would I want to get into those AMG cars?

It's no longer this performance delta

where it's like you either do 0.60 in 10 seconds

or you get an AMG.

Like, our station wagon is really fast

and comfortable and I get the third row.

I just, I don't know.

It's a good question.

I agree.

They seem like a good idea.

Right.

I mean, I say this as a guy with a Tycon wagon,

but I don't have the fast one.

I have the four.

The slowest, softest one.

It's basically the equivalent of your car.

It's basically the electric that.

I don't see them.

And I've seen four or five of my clients here

go through RS6s as dailies.

They keep them for six months

and they learn they're boring.

They're boring.

They're kind of boring and they beat you up.

Yeah.

And feel, you know.

Way too stiff.

You know that they're way too stiff

and like as a family car,

when I drive around my kids,

I'm not trying to,

I just want to chill

because there's a lot going to happen.

Yeah.

Also, do you know the M5 Touring

is EPA rated at 13 miles per gallon combined?

11 city.

That's the same as the Escalade V.

That's crazy.

Think about that.

Wow.

Even the E53 is 22 combined.

What's the 4GT rated?

That's a good question.

Probably very close.

Probably like 17 or 18.

That's nice.

13 combined.

So like, I know people

at that price point

probably aren't usually thinking about it,

but like at some point,

that's like.

Yeah.

They think about the price of crude

going up and down,

not necessarily the price of gas.

Right?

But still, like I would,

if I had one of those cars,

even though I'm not really thinking

about the price of gas,

at some point on your mind,

like what am I doing to myself?

I'm getting beaten up every day.

I'm paying for fuel every other day.

Just so I can drive around

in this fast car.

I'm not really using the performance.

Yeah.

It's crushed up Cheetos in my car.

Cars are, I was just thinking about,

cars are, because I just had

the Rivian Quad.

And we're going to talk about that

independently on our next show.

I've driven all the other Rivians.

None of them.

Have I ever used full throttle

for anything outside of the video

production process,

nor would I.

Right.

There isn't.

Completely agree.

Bro.

A thousand horsepower,

three row on knobbies.

What are we doing?

They sent me a quad.

And it was really cool.

But like,

my neighbors who saw it,

oh, what is this new Rivian?

Yeah.

And I tell them,

should I get it?

No.

You should get it.

You should get a dual.

Yeah, yeah.

You, my neighbor,

an attorney, should get a dual.

Yeah.

This is insane.

I think Rivian wants to do it

because they like winning

those Jason Camisa drag races.

It's really good press.

But like, come on.

And it's absurd.

It's, if you happen to get the

chance to go off-roading with a

quad, and I didn't get to do

with Rivian, but I did get to

do it with the G-Wagon

and the old Rivian,

amazing.

Yeah.

Really, really amazing.

Wheel control.

Right.

Precision and all that kind of

stuff.

But, and I,

and I totally understand,

because we've been through

a million times,

that like, it's,

it's so cheap to add horsepower

if you have the battery thing

that it just makes sense

to have the thing to brag about.

But like, I think we might

need to use some restraint.

Flooring it in that quad,

I'm sure you'll talk about this

when you do, but it's like,

and me and my buddies took it

to dinner.

So six of us in there.

And flooring it with all six,

I'm like, this is just sketch.

Yeah.

This is just on a level

that I don't need to be in.

You have an S or a T.

A SUV or the truck.

So the S also I,

the S has, I believe,

the same steering ratio as the T

and 18 inches less wheelbase,

which makes it drive

like a car with a cut wheelbase

like an Audi Sport Quattro

or a Lancia Stratos

or like one of those cars

where they cut the fucking

wheelbase like for rallying.

So the way it moves.

That's so true.

It did feel like that.

If you know what it felt like

was the VA Defender 90.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where it's just like,

actually, defenders are the

same way.

The 110 feels normal

and the 90 feels like a car

with a cut wheelbase.

Yeah.

So it's and now you have

a thousand dollars.

With this,

the way it moves,

it can be like,

so if you get in over your head,

you jam on the brakes

and you try to steer.

It's like, whoa.

Right.

That's exactly what it's like.

It's a cool car.

It was super cool.

I like Rivians.

This is that's in the middle

of an otherwise positive

review of a well made and

the dual is the one.

Yeah, yeah.

For everybody.

Just nobody needs that.

Right.

Man, that's our fucking,

that's our show.

That's almost.

Oh my god.

Is that an hour and 45?

Right.

Is that?

Give us one more good question.

All right.

Challenge Stradale Lama,

which is a fabulous name.

If you could each be on a TV

game show current or past,

what would it be?

I'm price is right till I die.

Really?

Price is right till I die.

Did you ever,

I mean, it's like locally.

When I first moved to LA,

I did go see the prices

right and get in the

audience with my.

But you didn't get chosen.

You did not get on.

No.

Huh.

I don't know.

Jeopardy.

Oh,

American Gladiators when I was

younger for sure.

Gladiators.

Hyperdrive would have been fun.

But now I think I do make some

noise on Dropout,

which is like a silly improv

game show.

There's no prize money.

I'd be a guest on

Zach Klapman's

driver's test.

Which you will be.

Which I will be next week.

By the way, we didn't discuss

that you won this award.

We were going to talk about.

We didn't talk about it.

It's very, it's so important.

It's so important.

It just rules over everything.

I don't think this can live here.

It's very heavy.

You want, you beat me.

I don't think we were.

Were we up against them?

Yeah.

Oh, I think they're nominated.

Well, you know, look, you make

more money than me.

True.

You make more money than me.

So I'll take this.

But wouldn't you rather have

the award?

No, I'll trade.

We can trade you the award

for your credit.

I'll trade you.

No problem.

I need to be recognized by

my peers.

I'll tell everybody you got,

you won and the whole thing.

You won't ever see me again.

Thanks, buddy.

Best time of the year.

It's my birthday too, you know.

Is that true?

When's your birthday today?

Oh, my God.

44.

Wow.

What are you going to do to

celebrate?

Well, tonight.

Yeah.

You and Hannah.

And I and no, not me and Hannah

actually.

Tonight is boys night.

There's a chef who's pretty

well known and incredibly

talented, who was on chef's

table on Netflix last season.

He's cooking dinner for us

at his restaurant personally,

which is pretty cool.

That sounds fun.

That's going to be pretty

awesome.

Sounds sounds like it'd be it'd

be nice to to to be there.

Yeah.

And then I'm going racing.

I'm going to Texas this weekend.

I'm racing at Kota Endurance

Racing with what?

In an E92 M3 with with dude.

I'm my the endurance is so the

endurance of the engine.

My three teammates are this

dude Tato Siderman, who's like

a 22 year old fucking hot shoe,

who's ripping up super

Trofeo right now in the amateur

class, Tommy Kendall.

And Johnny Lieberman.

Oh, damn.

And I think Sergio Tato's dad

might drive a stint.

Was in Bell.

I don't have confirmation that

Justin Bell.

He might have to go.

He might have had to go to

work.

Can I tell you?

He might Justin Bell may or

may not be dry.

He may actually do something

that's productive.

Can I tell you something about

Johnny Lieberman?

I talk about Johnny a lot on

this show.

I can't wait because remember

on the show previously I've

said that he should start

his own YouTube channel,

which he's now done.

Which he's doing.

You're welcome.

You know what?

You know what happened?

The other day I was at the

Hyundai Design Center in Irvine

and you know who was there?

Johnny Lieberman.

And you know what?

First time I've ever met him

in my life.

No way.

And I hugged him.

And I think he thought the

hug was weird.

And to an extent it was

weird.

I've never met the person

before and I hugged him.

And I didn't really give

him a chance not to hug me.

Did you have a nice time?

That would my extent.

My interaction with Lieberman

was limited to the hug.

And then a couple of words.

He said I can't believe you

came out of your house for this.

And I said me too.

Yeah that seems like the thing

that you wouldn't go to.

Well you know what it was?

It was for the Hyundai Crater

which was a concept car.

And I will do some stuff

for concept cars.

I went to Detroit to film

that Cadillac.

Yeah I know.

You're in my level of

nerdery.

I like a good concept car.

Yeah yeah for sure.

I wanted to do the Cadillac

CN by the way.

So I'm.

One isn't it?

Yeah although apparently they

don't they don't have the

engine for it anymore.

Anyway Johnny Lieberman

I hugged him.

And that's my Johnny Lieberman story.

Well I'm going to be

he is in Portugal doing

something right now

and flying to Austin

and meeting us there.

So we're going to be

hopefully doing some racing.

Zach and I have one more show

before I leave

and I'll talk a little bit

more about the racing.

But that's our fucking show.

You know where to find Doug.

You don't need to ask me.

Cars and bids.

Driving around San Diego

in a 993 turbo.

Doug DeMiro YouTube channel

5.03 million.

But it's like stopped.

There's like no more growth.

No no no me too.

It's going to be 5.03

people are like what are you

going to do at 6?

I'm going to be dead.

Let's talk about what aren't we

doing in 2026.

Growing our social media

and YouTube channel.

Unfortunately accurate.

This is going to be the year

we pivot offline.

Make a magazine or a newspaper.

Oh for the for those of you

who did the Doug Candy

drinking game.

Wow you're probably wasted.

3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11.

Next time I'm bringing carrots.

11 parts.

I'm bringing carrots.

Doug DeMiro folks.

We'll see you next time.

Bye.

Pleasure.

Doug Demuro

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