Driven Radio Show #324: Best of Chuck Sundstrom of Radford Racing School

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Our special guest this week is Chuck Sunstrom of Radford Driving School, a Michigan native,

eh, he doesn't have to put up with that Michigan weather anymore.

Chuck is a well-known and respected motorsports veteran and drag racing instructor.

Over the last two decades, he has pursued his drag racing passion as a full-time driver,

mechanic, track manager, and as the race director at Firebird International Raceway

and Spokane County Raceway.

Chuck also led an events business and security company creating high-profile events at automotive venues.

In December of 2023, Chuck was named general manager of Radford Racing School,

and in January of this year, he began managing the Radford Racing School team

and operations on the Seven Track campus.

Seven tracks, seven tracks.

Chuck, welcome to Driven Radio.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me.

Well, hey, we tried to do it last week, but somebody didn't communicate the time adequately.

No, that's all on me, this whole Zoom thing.

You know, whether it's Zoom and Teams and the whole Daylight Savings thing screws,

you actually on Zoom, they don't, when I put it in my calendar,

it screws it up with Daylight Savings time.

Oh, don't blame me.

So let's, we'll blame Zoom.

Yeah, I mean, I'll take the blame if it makes you feeling better.

Yeah, I got big shoulders.

I'm not pointing the, I'm not pointing at you.

I think it's all Zoom's fault, and then I'm gonna stand by that.

How did you become a car guy?

You know, I grew up as in kind of a car family, you know, I was young and grew up in Upper Michigan,

and my dad, my mom, they were drag racers, so my dad was kind of the...

Your daddy and your mom?

My dad and my mom.

So my dad was kind of the guy in town that was the drag race guy,

because we lived quite a ways from a drag strip.

We were racing in Wisconsin at the time, and so he always had cars from the 1970s.

You know, the first car he had when I was born was, you know, I think he had a 65 Cheval,

and then 1970 bought a brand new SS 396 four-speed Nova.

I mean, it had a lot of really cool cars, so I didn't stand a chance.

You know, I grew up in it.

Well, you got to school fast though, every morning.

A 396 is a lot of engine in a Nova.

How old were you when you started drag racing, and for how many years did you race?

You know, I started racing, I was always kind of involved in types of racing.

When I was 13, I started racing BMX, pedal bikes, you know, it was a cool thing in our town,

and the cool thing was I got into bikes, and so my parents built a BMX track in our backyard,

because there wasn't any around there.

You sound like you had cool parents, man.

Yeah, they were awesome.

They still are.

They're still awesome parents.

And so when I turned 16, I kind of gave up on the bikes.

You know, when I was 14, I bought a 69 Camaro body, started building that.

So that was my first car.

So my first car when I got my driver's license was a 69 Camaro with a 454

tunnel and I'm sticking out the hood.

So, you know, I got my driver's license.

I don't want to race bikes anymore.

I want to drag race, but the crazy thing back in that time is the tracks in Wisconsin,

we were racing, you got to be 18 to drag race.

So, you know, at 17, I actually snuck down and got in a car and made a pass down the track

and my four speed Camaro, you know, and when I turned 18, I actually had, I had my 69 Camaro,

and I had a 68, which I still have to this day.

There's a story behind that car.

But, you know, I have a 68 SS Camaro that has 14,000 original miles on it.

Oh, man.

It was a barn find when I was 18 and I still own that car, but I had a big block at the time

at a 427 Dugnash 5-Suite and it started racing that when I was 18.

And then shortly after that moved to Arizona.

Okay, well, now you kind of jumped the shark here.

You made your first pass when you were 17.

What was your ET?

1245.

That's respectable, especially then, yeah.

Like I said, it was a four speed manual transmission, 454 street tired car.

And when you got back to the pits, what'd your dad say?

Yeah, that's a good question.

He said, that was a great run.

And I said, well, how do we get it in the 11th?

So I was rolling fast enough for me, so.

Spoken like a true drag racer.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

So how many years did you race?

You know, I've never stopped racing.

So I raced, you know, growing up in Arizona.

I moved to Arizona when I was 19.

And the big thing then was to go out to the Wednesday night drag,

started running the local summit point series races as soon as I moved to Arizona.

Kind of did that for many, many years.

Was still drag racing.

Pretty steady and consistently when I started at Firebird Raceway,

I started working there part-time in the late 90s, 99, 98, 99.

And then was working there part-time on the weekend still racing.

Then had kids, you know, the kids started growing up,

started racing junior dragsters, and that kind of took away from my racing.

Um, traveled quite a few years with my kids.

Racing juniors still did some racing, but I raced quite a bit until 2009.

And 2009 is when I was now working at Firebird Raceway full-time,

started there full-time in 2007.

Had closed down my repair shop and went to work at Firebird Raceway.

And kind of changed my career from being a racer into running events and working at race tracks.

Still raced to this day.

You know, I still race our local series, race whenever I can, wherever I can,

but it's second nature to actually being there, running the events and running the track.

Okay, I want to come back to your kids racing and junior dragsters,

but I got a couple other questions before we get to that.

One, what's your best ET?

Two, how fast have you gone?

And three, have you set any records?

I haven't set any records.

You know, drag racing is not a real easy sport to set records.

You know, it's specific to a class, whether it's a stock,

aluminum, or super stock, something like that.

Never race those categories.

You know, I've raced super gas cars, super comp cars.

Fastest ET, I've driven a dragster 754, like 194.

It's not the fastest pass I've ever sent.

That's a ton.

Fastest pass, top speed.

194.

Wow, in the quarter, in the quarter.

Oh, that's stupid.

I'd like to try that once.

I wouldn't even care if someone else was driving.

I just want to know what that's like.

Is that a hard enough launch to bruise your forehead with the helmet?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you got, you know, there's things you do in drag racing.

I mean, you make sure your head's back against the seat.

And, you know, I mean, a lot of things we teach in our drag race school at Radford is,

you know, your foot placement, your seat placement, you know,

even the fact that you launch a car, your foot comes off the gas pedal.

So it's how you, you know, how you seat your foot on the ground,

how you use your ankle and how you relax your leg and different things

healthy as a driver in drag racing.

So are you at the gym doing those one foot leg lifts?

Yeah, exactly.

Now, junior drag racing, for those who've never seen one or never seen it done,

talk a little bit about what a junior dragster is, what they're built with,

what you're using for power, that sort of stuff.

Junior dragsters, you know, I started out again in the late 90s program with NHRA.

It's really evolved.

It's, you can start racing juniors now.

You can get into a beginner program when you're six years old.

So when my kids started, they were eight.

Um, we actually ran and was still to this day at Firebird Raceway here.

We run a big wheel program.

So we have kids that start out at four and five years old and race 60 feet on their

pedal big wheels.

It's an awesome program.

The kids, you know, they get in, they get to dress up and they, you know,

they wear clothes and a helmet.

We bring them out on the track and they, we ladder them by reaction time

and they win trophies every race and they get little goodie bags and it,

those kids are, they can't wait until they're old enough to get into a junior drag.

And when they start in juniors at, you know, seven, eight, nine years old,

juniors are broke up as to how fast they can go by age groups.

You know, there's a, there's an age group and a limit.

You can go up to nine years old and then 10 to 12 and then 13 to 17.

And a junior dragster is a miniature dragster.

You know, it's usually a Cromali chassis, just like a big full size dragster,

but it's miniature.

And they were based off of a five horse Briggs and Stratton engine when they first started.

Obviously now it's, you know, they're all running aftermarket billet blocks and billet,

you know, clutches and it's a centrifugal clutch, kind of like a snowmobile.

You know, we would build those cars with suspension and carburetor and weights and

clutches and, you know, we have computers on them.

And, you know, my kids learned so much about math and, you know,

reading the air and jetting and gearing and tire pressure.

And, you know, they really learned a lot driving those cars and just the friends they

made and around the country.

It was just an amazing program.

Junior dragsters, do you run an eighth or a quarter?

They run eighth mile.

Okay. And what kind of speeds do they see?

So they have a limit set by NHRA.

So the fastest you can run a junior dragster is a 790 elapsed time at 85 mile an hour max.

That's still cooking right along.

Yeah. When you get into your 13 to 17 year old category, the majority of those cars will go

that fast or faster.

They put weight on them and tune them down so that they don't break that speed.

That's impressive.

You've been drag racing for years.

You still drag race now.

You've been involved with junior drag racing and your kids.

But what was your first car related job and how old were you when you got it?

16.

Actually, I went to work at a car dealership in Michigan.

It was a Volkswagen Mazda Audi dealer.

So I worked there through high school, my junior, senior year.

I worked there for a year after high school before I moved to Arizona.

I started out when I was 16, my first year there, my first summer there.

I worked doing oil changes and washing cars and moving cars in and out.

And then after my first summer there, I actually went to work as a tech,

you know, a flat rate technician.

So I was doing regular repairs, went to some Volkswagen training courses

and Mazda training courses and different things when I was 17.

That's pretty impressive.

Yeah, it was a great learning experience.

It really was.

What did you do as race director at Firebird International and at Spokane County?

Race director position is kind of based on the actual events themselves.

So it's managing the event from, starts out pre-event with event setup, layout,

staffing, different things like that.

So I managed all the crew that worked the events,

whether it was a starter or a tech inspector or anything like that.

And I started out just doing that.

You know, I started out just race directing the drag race events.

And actually started as a tech inspector, started volunteering first,

then they hired me as a tech inspector.

I worked two events as a tech inspector and then they said,

hey, we want you to be a race director.

That was kind of their plan all along.

And I did that for years and that evolved into when I went to work there,

full time in 2007 at Firebird kind of took over operations in general.

So I was in charge of the drag strip maintenance,

all the staff for grounds to set up and the setup of the events and all the type of stuff

ended up throughout the years between 2007 and 2013 when we closed Firebird,

taking over the safety crew, you know, managing that portion of it,

you know, getting involved a lot and working with all the people we had there

from everything from marketing to every aspect of an event.

What is Radford Racing School and who's the school named after?

So Radford Racing School is the largest and best in my opinion.

And everybody else out there, high performance based driving school in the world.

And it's, you know, we use the term high performance based driving,

but because that's what we are, you know, we teach racing,

we teach race car drivers and we always have, that's the history of the school.

But, you know, it's the only driving school in the world that has such a variety of training.

There isn't a person out there with a driver's license that can't benefit greatly from going to

our school. The Radford name came from when our current owners took over the school and bought it

out in 2019. It was time for a name change. And, you know, they were looking for something

that was kind of traditional looking, you know, quickly as, hey, what do we use for a name?

And they named it after a historical name in motorsports in Britain actually,

which was Harold Radford. I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he was a car designer,

big huge history with designing cars for everybody from, you know, Fiat and a lot of

different European, Italian manufacturers. He built cars for movie stars and, you know,

he built cars for the Beatles and Steve McQueen and James Garner and different things like that.

So it was something that our current owner was passionate about, you know, knew the name,

knew the background. So that's what he chose as the name for the school.

How long's Radford been in business?

The school actually started in 1968. So, you know, started in California under the previous owners.

And, you know, it was a very historical school, started out in California, came to Arizona in

1997, 1998, built the first purpose built school there. You know, in the past, they had

rented or leased from different tracks that were out there, a couple of different locations in

California. And it's been in Arizona since 97, I think it was, it was started in Arizona.

And now you said anybody who's got a driver's license could benefit from what you teach at

Radford. What kind of classes are taught there? And what skills do you teach people who just

have a regular driver's license? Do you also teach teens and new drivers?

We do. We have one of the top rated teen driving programs in the world.

So you can take a one, two or three day teen driving course. You know, the cool thing is you

have the draw of the high performance side. There's always a little bit of base in that,

little bit of excitement for people. But every course that we have, whether you take a high

performance driving course, a teen course or a advanced road racing course, they start out with

a lot of defensive driving techniques, accident avoidance, a lot of different things that we

train people in that help you as a driver in every aspect. And you know, that's one thing huge

with the teen driving and everyday drivers is they come through our courses and it just makes

you a lot safer driver. We teach some crazy things that actually involve how you react in a bad

situation. You know, our accident avoidance program is amazing. And it's, we have a simulator

driving course with, you know, lights that we trigger. And, you know, there's a program you

do where you pick a lane based on the lights at last second. And it's, you know, that teaches you

to be looking forward, how your mind reacts to a situation. We teach you a lot of cool things

with that that you would never learn, you would never know. And you walk away with just some

great driving skills. Do you have a course that teaches people how to pull out of the lot where

you bought the car without wrecking it? I've seen so many videos of these idiots

trumping on it going, ah, I just got this thing. Well, now it's a big thing. Go back to the Vipers,

the Dodge Vipers. And, you know, the Vipers was one of the first real cool high performance cars

that was very unique when it came out. And, you know, there was such a huge percentage of the

Vipers that were wrecked within the first 30 days of being. Well, that's because when they came out

with the RT10, it was supposed to be the modern day iteration of the Cobra. And there were no

nannies on it. There was no traction control. There was no ABS. And people had already gotten

used to that stuff. And then they went out and drove these and well, just floored going around

this corner. Yeah, not going to work. Whoop-a-doop-a. You know, and that's where some of our programs

that Dodge came from. It really is, you know, Dodge, since that time has looked at it and said,

when we sell these cars, we want people to go through something. We want them to go through

a training course and a safety driving course. And, you know, that's where we do a lot of things

with Dodge. And that's where our partnership started with them. Yeah, people don't sneeze at

400 horsepower cars now. But when you get a 400 horsepower car with steamroller meets on it,

no traction control. Guess what? Yeah, I'm not even, you know, transitioned to that to where

we are today, right? I mean, you know, anybody can go by, I use this term lightly, but I say,

in our class, I say, you can go out and buy an 800 horse minivan. You know, I might be exaggerating

a little bit, but not much. Not much. The reality is, you go back 10, 12 years and, you know, we

were all building cars and we would spend lots of money and really tear these cars up and tear

everything out of them and build these great big bag of box to hopefully make $600. Yeah. And,

you know, we knew how to drive these cars, you know, we understood them, we worked our way up

to those and now anybody can go walk into a showroom and buy a car that has six, seven,

eight hundred, nine hundred horsepower. And it's actually really scary. You know, it really is.

Yeah, it is. Traction control and whatever electronics they have on them, it's still very

dangerous. So, you know, learning to respect that car and learning the techniques and the

different things to driving that car is very important. Yeah, when I get my hands on a ZR1,

I'm coming to see you. All right. You also teach go-kart racing and you have open wheel programs?

So, yes, we do. So, our go-kart programs, you know, historically, through years, we had

a couple different programs. We had some shift your car programs, different things.

Currently, right now, we don't have a base go-kart program and that's something we're

looking at revamping in the future, trying to figure out what the market is and how to go with

that. Because with us, we don't want to just put in a class where you can come out and drive

go-karts. To us, that is a driver advancement program. And that's what we're trying to put

together. If you're going to come out and you're going to race, if your goal in life is to race

an open wheel car, those drivers start out in go-karts. They move up to shift your cars. They

move through the ranks into being an open wheel racer. So, that's what we're trying to put together.

So, our shift to kart program that we had years ago turned into more of a shift to

kart experience. You know, people were coming out to drive the karts and we want a training

program. So, we're putting that together now. Currently, the only thing we offer is our open

wheel program. So, we have an F4 program. F4 is the beginning block to run F1. Obviously,

it's the first step in it. We have eight F4 spec cars that we use. We have a beginner,

intermediate and advanced course for the F4 cars. And it's a program that you want to go

open wheel racing. You come out and you go through our F4 program and that'll put you into a car.

Heavily backed by Goodyear. Goodyear has a scholarship program they do with us. A great

program with the F4 series. You know, we have our name on the F4 series with Goodyear. So,

it's a great program to get new drivers into open wheel racing. Do you teach driving techniques

for professional protection agents, you know, for bodyguard for lack of a better term?

We do. That's actually a big part of our business. So, we teach tactical driving. We do a lot of it

for, we have, we take some of our courses, our four day advanced road racing course and we alter

that. You know, it has different aspects to it based on the group and organization that we're

we do some night vision driving with some of them. We've actually, we have groups to train.

We've trained everyone from local police academies to FBI, CIA, Navy SEALs.

We've trained them all. So, we still do regular basis. Is that under your special operations

on your website? Correct. Correct. Nice. Can you teach me how to be John Wick?

You know what? There's nothing that money can't accomplish. Of course we can.

You think I have to say this, but I mean, I've been to a lot of schools and met a lot of drivers

in different tracks around the world. We have the best instructors in the world. We really do.

Our guys are some amazing drivers, amazing teachers, right? I mean, you can always find

amazing drivers and amazing teachers. It's putting those two together, you know, to be able to do it

and train. So, we have some instructors that have been with us 25 plus years throughout the history

of the school and it's, they're very passionate about it. They're very good at what they do.

That sounds cool, man. Okay. Now, here's where Mark starts to lose his mind.

What vehicles do you drive? Do students drive at your school?

Dodge SRTs. So, we actually have a fleet of 80 Dodge vehicles.

80? Oh my God. That's so sorry. Mark wants to know if you've got one that's got been up

fenders on it. He'd like to go take her for a spin. I'll do that one. No, we don't. Unfortunately,

we try and keep them looking pretty and unbent. So, you know, it happens time to time, but not

very often. It really doesn't. For the amount of driving that we do and training we do, you know,

we have very few accidents. I can fix that for you.

80 SRTs. You know, I can throw some random numbers. We have about 30, 39 or 40 regular

Hellcat SRT challengers that we use in our everyday classes. We have chargers. All of our

instructor cars are chargers. Breathe, Mark. Breathe. Chargers are red eyes. You know, we have

some red eye challengers that we use in some of the courses. We have five of the 2018 demons

that we still use in our drag class. We currently have three and we have two more coming of the

new Demon 170s for our two-day drag program that's kicking off in September with the Demon

170s. Tell Mark about the 170. And what are your top HPs and your lowest HPs?

So, the Demon 170, I mean, that's a whole other conversation. That's an impressive production

car I've ever seen in my life. So, that's 1,025 horsepower. Jesus.

The technology in that car is unbelievable. So, I could put anybody, even you, you know, in that

car. You told him about it. A couple hours of training, you know, really set dial-in electronics

and stuff in that car and have you go to the drag strip and say, hold on and punch the gas and you'd

run a 960, 970 power set. Oh, my God. You know, we haven't gone on the road in a while. Yes.

I'm feeling the gravity. And tell him about, you know, lower-end horsepower.

I think the lowest we would run would be a 500 horse. I mean, some of our just our regular

standard SRT Hellcats. Some of the courses we run them with a black key. I don't know if you're

familiar with the different keys and you can run a black key or a red key and all of the SRTs.

Red key bumps up the horsepower. It's the, you know, it changes the programming in it.

We start out, you know, different courses, different types of driving. We run whether you

use the black key or red key. So, our minimum horsepower car you're going to be driving is going

to be a 500 horsepower car. I'll loan you a pair of my driving shoes. Yeah. I mean,

we're going to have three of the new Dodge Hornets coming in. The GT Hornets, you know,

Dodge is moving, you know, that's currently their big push is the Hornets, which is an SUV,

kind of a family vehicle. They've got some sportier models. We're starting incorporating

those into some of our team programs and our different programs. So,

if you can't talk about the relationship with Dodge, can people who buy a new Dodge high

performance vehicle take classes that don't wind up wadding up their cars?

So, it's kind of a, you know, cool deal. I mean, anybody that's bought a Dodge SRT since we started

with them, you know, for the last six, seven years, if you go on the dealer, you go anywhere in the

country and you buy a brand new Dodge SRT, you automatically with that SRT get a free one day

SRT experience at our school. No kidding. Yeah, and you should. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you register,

you go online through Dodge Garage, you register your van and it sends you a link and you call us

and you set up one of our SRT experience classes. So, our SRT experience class that you get with

that is kind of a unique class. It's designed just for those owners that come in. It's a single day

experience that teaches you some of the highlights of the car and different aspects of the car,

but also goes through a lot of our safety training, our driver techniques that'll,

you know, you'll walk away in a day with a lot. You'll have a blast, but you'll also learn a lot

of respect and understanding and safety driving with the cars. Nice. Yeah. And people who are

buying those really do need that. Yes. I think that's, I think that a lot of people who have bought

some of the super high performance stuff from Dodge over the last 10 or 15 years

didn't have any business owning it. Right. And really could have used some instruction.

A little help. What is your day at the drags with Alex Taylor program?

Something new we're trying. You know, I'm a drag race guy and, you know, our schools,

our school traditionally is a road course based school. We've always been involved with the drag

strip being at Firebird Raceway. And that was kind of my time. You know, I worked with the school

since the nineties with working at Firebird. When they started their drag program back in 2018

with the 2018 demons, I was involved with that and helped the school with that. So, you know, as I,

as I kind of transitioned into working at the school, it's what more can I do from a drag race

side and Dodge pushing the new demon 170s. We now have a new two day course, drag course that it

includes those cars that were starting in September. We've had a great response, huge demand. We've got

two to three classes per month starting in September through May of next year and all those

classes are full. So when we put those on the calendar, we had them all booked full within three

days. So we're looking at adding more dates for those. Our issue with that is that the drag strip

is a separate course from our school. So we have to schedule rent that course from Firebird Raceway.

So it limits the number of courses we can do. But back to the drag race side,

you know, I've tied in some of the drag race events that I've done through my company for

years now through the school. And the day at the drags with Alex Taylor was something that I wanted

to do to get people that have never been down the drag strip are scared of drag racing, but follow

people like Alex. Alex is an amazing individual. She's a great driver. She has a huge following and,

you know, people that just love her. So we put together this program so you can sign up for

this program. Very inexpensive, $499. You come out. We have two half day programs coming up in

October and you're going to start out with breakfast with Alex. We're going to go through

some classroom training. We're going to put you through numerous different exercises with our

skid pad, car training, some in-car training and then over at the drag strip in the car with Alex

and then passes in the car by yourself driving the car, you know, finish with some, you know,

some conversations and interaction with Alex. So it's going to be just a fun but learning day

for anybody that's interested in drag racing. Very cool, man. Sounds like there's only about

eight or 10 things we want to go do here. Now, when you talk about drag racing, I'm sitting here

looking at this. I've been actually watching. It's kind of funny. You're even on the show tonight

because I've been watching a number of dragster, you know, videos and programs and what it takes

because I've always been amazed by the phenomenal horsepower put out by dragsters. But you know,

the stuff I read about was there and watched was that, you know, you've got what, six passes,

maybe up to nine passes in an engine and then you have to rip it out and completely rebuild it.

And how does it work with your vehicles for drag racing? Is it more kind of a street car

type drag racing or are they souped up even further? There's so many aspects to drag racing.

That would be a whole nother show, you know, really. Oh, young Padawan. Let me tell you,

okay, Yoda. Quite open the can of lungs, man. You know, you look at different types of racing,

right? And I've, you know, I've done numerous different types and, you know, I've played around

and done some road racing and, you know, I worked for an oval track in Spokane and learned a lot

about oval track racing that I never wanted to know. But, you know, it's they're all kind of

similar. You know, you get a noble track and you've got your base local stuff with a couple

classes and then you go into late models or open wheel and you go into NASCAR, a couple different

series there, you know, with drag racing, there's everything. I mean, anybody can come out and drag

race a drag race car. I mean, you can race your minivan and a street drag program and just go and

have fun. And you get into a bracket racing program, which is more based on your local crowd,

but people that are more enthusiasts that want to race every weekend, build these cars at home.

That program is based on how fast your car is, then you can move up to

NHRA divisional series and national series and all these different classes. You know, you can race a

16 second car and be competitive or you can race a, you know, a four second, three second top fuel

dragster. And to answer your question, I mean, you get up into a higher end class and a, you know,

professional class. Yes, it gets real expensive, you tear them apart. But even with our school,

you know, we're running our demon drag program and we put hundreds and hundreds of runs on these

cars without ever breaking things in them. Oh, nice. I'd like the Mopar I own.

Oh, wait a second. Don't make me make the joke about you got to get through the quarter mile

first. That is a race to drag it somewhere. Is there any truth to the rumor that a hot rod

power tour may stop at Radford? It absolutely is. You know, very excited to have them. Something new

with the school that I brought in power to our West, you know, fairly new series for hot rod.

And they were looking at venues and, you know, after last year trying to decide what they did.

And, you know, from a venue standpoint and interaction, they're going to start out in Pomona

on Monday with drag racing. And then their next three stops in California and Lake Habasoo will

be more of the car show get together stop. And then they're going to finish on Friday at Radford

racing school. And that'll involve some autocross and different options where people can actually

participate and do some fun things with their cars, their awards ceremony, all that type of

stuff will be with us at the school. Does the school have any special promotions going on right now?

We do. So right now we're running different promotions each month and we're featuring

our specific classes. So August, we just started featuring our GT road racing course,

which is kind of an advanced course for people that want to go road racing. We have 25% off of

that course during the summer months. We just finished an HPD, which is our heart performance

driving experience. So currently it's summer promotions, specific course promotions.

How can people learn more about the school and how can they get signed up for these classes?

Website is the biggest way to do it. Go to our website, radfordracingschool.com.

And, you know, it kind of lists out all of our courses. I mean, you can sign up right online

or just give us a call. I mean, we have somebody answering the phones all day, every day,

you know, great guy. I mean, he'll explain anything you want, kind of walk you through what

type of course you're looking for based on just asking you some questions and get you involved

and get you fitted into what would fit you best based on what you're looking for in your experience.

Okay, Chuck, the important questions. Number one, what's in your garage?

You look around right now. So now my 68 Camaro is sitting here. I've got a BMW M5 F10 series.

I've got it. There's a Jeep sitting here that I'm actually doing some work on for a friend.

Of course, there's a Dodge, you know, I drive a red eye Dodge charger every day.

That's my company car. So drive that home, park that in the garage.

You walk out my backyard, my kids, two of my sons are really into BMWs. I don't know if that's a

good thing or a bad thing. So we've got a couple E30 sitting out there, a couple E46 wagons.

Cool. Got a 71 Monte Carlo SS in the back that one of my sons is built.

Yeah, okay. Now we're talking.

Lots of projects, you know, so my oldest son has a couple drag cars. They're here sometimes,

sometimes it is house. So it just depends on what day you come over.

All right. And then the question to everybody always waits for, what is the dumbest thing you've

ever done in a car? You know, that's a really hard question, right? I mean, probably the dumbest

things I've done were probably before I had a driver's license and I probably not like to get

into those because my parents will probably watch this show. Oh, statute of limitations is out.

It's all good. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, we were 13, 14 years old and lived in Michigan

and had a lot of land and a farm that my grandpa owned. And so we did a lot of dumb things, you

know, I mean, taking out mom and dad's doom buggy and rolling it over with five or six people in it,

you know, taking my dad's 79 Z28 four-speed Camaro when I didn't have a driver's license and they

were at work and taking it out on the road and seeing how fast we could get it going and, you

know, different things like that. Did you ever get caught? No. No. Going so fast. My parents are

smart. They knew what I was doing, you know. Chuck, don't feel bad about talking about doing dumb

stuff when your parents are listening. My dad still listens to every episode of this. Do you know

how disappointed in me is? Yeah. You know, every couple of weeks I got to look at them and try to

explain something I did 40 years ago. Right. Right. I always tell my kids that I said, you know,

every time we come over, family get together and waiting for something to come up, you know, that

shed that burned down in our house, miraculously, at some point you guys are going to tell me the

truth, right? You know, still haven't heard much, but they're still young. Oh, you don't want it,

man. No. If there's anything that will change how you view your father dumb is having your kids go,

you know, when you were doing this, I was sneaking up, blah, blah, blah. Shut up. Yeah, exactly.

Shut up. You were my angel. I did great. Shut up. So yeah, it's a learning lesson. You know,

the other thing that stands out is we did a drag race demo derby a couple years ago at the drag

strip. That was a really dumb idea. No, maybe at fan standpoint, they loved it. You got to

explain this now. What is it? So demo derby at speed. You know, I saw something I think online

that somebody had done this kind of demo thing and I thought, okay, I could make something really

cool out of this, you know, so advertise this drag race demo derby and you could build a car,

had to be under 500 bucks was the goal and come out and race in this demo derby and the

format was we'd line up two cars on the starting line with a tree just like you're going to drag

race. We were drag racing to eighth mile, but you had to tap the other car and then get to the

finish line first. Oh, no way. I just left it at that, you know, pretty vague with it. The only rule

we had was you could not tap them in the driver's door and, you know, the people, the ideas of how

they were going to take out the other car or they were going to get ahead and just yeah, I mean,

it's just the thought process going behind it with these drivers was just amazing. You know,

it was fun to sit and kind of watch it and listen to and I bought a Volvo and I bought this old

Volvo on Craigslist for 300 bucks and it was a turbo four door, I don't know, something Volvo

piece of crap and put my son in it. My son, one of my sons wanted to drive it. That was probably the

dumbest thing I ever did, you know, in the race, but you know, he's I was wondering if I was going

to kill him or not. And once we got through the event and he won the race, the crowd loved it so

much, I decided, let's go out and run again. So I had, I took the four people that were left in it

and I put all four cars on the track at the same time, so I had two in each lane. Oh God.

So, you know, that started out kind of cool and it was kind of fun and, you know, a little bit

of destruction and he actually won it again. He got out front after he got spun around and,

you know, this car, the second pass, actually he had got hit and blew the radiator and actually we

kept running it with no cooling in it and he won the first race, he won three more rounds,

then we did this four wide deal. He won that, the car was still going, I told him, I said,

just run until it blows up, you know, who cares. And then after that, I was standing there and I

said, you know, I'm going to take you and the guy that finished second and I want you guys to do this

in reverse. Oh my God. I went on the starting line backwards and I want you to back down the

track and race to eighth mile. And I said, don't worry about hitting each other, just see who can

get to the eighth mile first. And that was when I thought I was going to kill them because, you

know, they got out a couple hundred feet and we're going pretty good and then you know how

you're backing up real fast and all of a sudden you just kind of lose it, the car starts going

and I saw him start to lose it and he lost it and he slid sideways and the other car

t-boned him in the driver's door and hit him really hard and he was okay. Yeah, we was in a

Volvo, it's all right. Yeah, your boxy, but they're good. Yeah. We actually, we took that car home,

we hooked it to a tree and pulled the front and back out because the back end was pushed up into

the tires front and fashioned the front tires. So we hooked it to a tree and we kind of jerked them

out. We actually came out and did it again. So we had a couple months later and ran the same car

still with no coolant in it and ran another four or five passes and it was still running when I

finally called the junkyard to come pick it up. Oh, that's incredible. That's fantastic. You know,

who wins the backwards race, don't you? Kids who grew up in their dad's lumber yard. Yeah,

exactly. Because we all know how to dry forklifts. Can you get far without it going?

That's the first thing that gets disconnected. I'm just going to throw this out here, but

my next one's going to be a car soccer match. So that's going to happen sometime next year.

So I've seen those and they're hilarious. Yes, that sounds like a blast. Have you ever seen

those races where they strap on appliances? What? And they do like an eighth mile track or that figure

eight track? No, I like to figure eight with a crappy either a crappy boat or a crappy RV trailer.

If you've ever seen a Geo Metro try to race with a washing machine strapped to it, it's amazing.

When I was in Spokane, we did some of that stuff in 2011-2012. We did a drag a boat race.

Actually, they had to hook a boat behind their car and it wasn't a trailer, it was just a boat.

Some were fiberglass. They'd hook it on a big long chain and they would race and we would,

you know, and it's the destruction and the things flying around. That's one of those things that

starts out really cool. And a couple laps in, you're wondering who's going to die from pieces

flying, your fans and things. And then we did a school bus race. We had a bunch of school buses

from an auction and put some of our drivers in, did a school bus race. We did a monster truck show

where we actually towed an RV out there and had a monster truck drive through it, run over an RV.

And that was actually really disappointing. We did that at Firebird and we did it in Spokane.

Those RVs, they hit the RV and it just kind of falls apart and there's nothing left.

Well, they're not made of anything. It's like a lightweight aluminum and crappy plastic paneling

inside. It's built like some of the apartments around here. Yeah. It's exciting adrenaline and

then they hit it and you're all standing there. Is that it? Game over. Well, these all sound like

they run from the same school of thought as the people jumping cars off a cliff in Alaska

for the 4th of July. And we've got several friends of the show who do that.

John Fakara, we're talking about you, buddy. And Christopher Michaels, same crew.

I just recently saw that because one of my sons, he was telling me the other day,

says, I'm going to go that's one of these days. He said, I really want to go see that.

If he does, I'll introduce him to guys who do that crap. They drive from,

jeez, where did they start out this year? I think they may have started in Atlanta.

Some of them drove to Alaska and then they jump all the cars off a cliff and fly home.

Right. What a vacation. And yeah, there have been some spectacularly hilarious results.

One of the cars this year made it to the pond at the bottom of the hill.

Right. Right. Wow. That's where it hit. Wow. There's always a line. I've been, my whole life,

I've really pushed to do driving safely and drag racing and don't race on the streets.

This ain't that. Yeah. So I'm not sure about the jumping off the cliff thing.

Well, you're not in it. I know, but it's kind of weird to see the destruction and pieces flying

and cars blowing up. No, I like the guy who jumped the car off the cliff that had four

blow-up dolls in it. Right. Watch them get annihilated at the bottom of the hill.

We've been speaking with Chuck Sundstrom of Radford Driving School. Chuck, take a minute and

tell us where we can find you online and on social media and where we can find Radford.

Again, radfordraceschool.com, same handle, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. We're starting

to do a lot more YouTube videos and stuff on there. Oh, cool. People can get a look at it.

Yeah. The event side, GoFast Entertainment. So gofastent.com, GoFast ENT, also on social media.

So we're expanding on a lot of our drift events, drag race events, a lot of good things coming

with that also. So a big tie in there between the school and the event side. All very cool stuff,

Chuck. Thank you so much for being with us. You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

Well, we finally got Chuck on and it was every bit of what I thought it would be

and I want to go to driving school a little more now than I did before. I was exploring a lot of

his website during the interview. Oh, is that what you were doing? Yeah, because I'm like,

wait, this is cool. Oh, this is cool. Oh, this is cool. That drag racing thing, that just sounds

so fun to me. I want to go do it. Straight shot, romp it, go through and have some training before

you do it. Oh, I'm sure there's a ton involved and it just looks like you floor it and go straight,

but I'm sure there's quite a bit more involved. Well, when he started talking about how to work

your muscles and your ankles and stuff like this, I'm like, oh my God, it's that? It's that? Wow.

Yeah. I have no idea. Well, you got to, there's a difference between what we've experienced and

think is fast cars versus that just did a seven second quarter at 200 miles an hour.

That's really hauling the mail, man. Man, if I, if I rolled a 17 second quarter, I'd be like,

yeah, me, because yeah, going that fast, no, no, daddy, no. Yeah. Yeah. It's a whole different

world. Now, I can tell you having had several fast two wheel vehicles and I had one that,

not with me on it, but a buddy of mine ran it and managed to get a sub 10 second. He got a

989 on it and that is otherworldly. And now we have street cars that run that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Straight off the lot. Jesus. Holy crow. Oh, I want to go to this. I want to go to

Radford driving school. One more time. Radford driving school dot com. Be sure you look them up

on all the social media and they say they're on YouTube. So go check them out.

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