Driven Radio Show #362: Dave Kinney and Greg Ingold of Hagerty Price Guide

Barrett-Jackson is a well-known collector car auction brand, and “Columbus” refers to one of its event locations. These auctions are where enthusiasts track rare cars, bid on restorations, and watch prices move in real time.

The National Corvette Museum is a dedicated Corvette-focused museum in the U.S., centered on Chevrolet’s Corvette sports car history. It’s a common stop for Corvette fans because it showcases cars, artifacts, and the brand’s evolution over decades.

A “concours” is a judged car show where vehicles are displayed for craftsmanship and condition, often with a theme or prestige focus. The Keeneland Concours in Lexington is one of those events that attracts collectors and enthusiasts.

The Chevrolet Corvette is a long-running American sports car known for its performance-per-dollar reputation and iconic mid-engine evolution in recent generations. In this segment, it’s referenced in the context of a Corvette Museum raffle for new Corvettes.

A raffle is a lottery-style promotion where people buy tickets and winners are selected randomly. Here, the raffle is specifically for new Corvettes, which ties it to the collector-car and enthusiast community.

A hard top is a rigid roof panel (as opposed to a soft top fabric roof). On convertibles, choosing a hard top typically means better insulation and a more solid feel, and it can be a desirable option for collectors.

In car talk, a “wing” usually means an aerodynamic rear spoiler. It can be part of a performance or appearance package, and on enthusiast cars it often affects how the car looks and sometimes how it generates downforce.

The Hagerty Price Guide is a valuation resource that helps enthusiasts estimate what classic and collectible cars are worth. In this episode, it’s the central subject because the guests are associated with Hagerty’s pricing and valuation work.

Sell-through rate is the percentage of auctioned vehicles that actually sell. It’s a common metric for judging how strong demand is for a given batch of cars at an event.

The collector car market is the ecosystem of buyers, sellers, and auctions where classic and enthusiast cars trade based on desirability and condition. In this segment, the hosts connect it to generational buying behavior and the idea that values can shift over time.

The Subaru WRX is a performance sedan/wagon known for its turbocharged engine and rally-inspired all-wheel-drive setup. In this discussion, it’s used as an example of a “collector car” that’s still relatively modern compared with vintage classics.

Ford is a major American automaker, and in this segment it’s mentioned as an example of an extremely old car that some people consider a collector vehicle. The key point is the wide age range of what counts as a “collector car.”

In collector-car talk, a “bubble” means prices have risen far faster than fundamentals would normally justify, creating a risk of a correction. When they say the Porsche 911 bubble is correcting, they’re implying market demand may be cooling and values could stabilize or drop.

The Porsche 911 is the iconic rear-engine sports car line from Porsche, known for its distinctive silhouette and long-running evolution across generations. In this segment, it’s referenced as being in a “bubble,” implying its market prices may be cooling or correcting.

“Electric Ferrari” refers to Ferrari’s move toward battery-electric vehicles, which replace the traditional internal-combustion powertrain with electric motors and a high-voltage battery. In this segment, it’s used as the key test case for whether the brand’s collector demand will extend to EVs.

A V12 is an engine configuration with twelve cylinders arranged in a “V” shape, typically known for smooth power delivery and high-performance character. The host contrasts a “young Greg who appreciated V12 Ferrari” with the new electric Ferrari, implying the electric car may not satisfy fans who prefer traditional V12 sound and feel.

The Ferrari Luce referenced in the podcast appears to be a specific Ferrari model or variant name tied to a particular car story or classification. Mentions like “Type 222” suggest the discussion is about identifying a particular vehicle among rare Ferrari entries. It’s brought up because collectors and historians often focus on exact model/variant details.

Rosso Corsa is Ferrari’s famous red paint color name, used across many Ferrari models and eras. When someone says “Rosso Corsa red,” they’re referring to a specific classic Ferrari-style red rather than a generic red.

“Scuderia” is Ferrari’s racing team identity, and the Scuderia badge is a branding element tied to that motorsport heritage. When the hosts say the car only has a Scuderia badge, they mean it’s using Ferrari’s racing branding rather than full “Ferrari” model badging.

This segment is about a specific collector-car auction happening during Monterey Car Week, run by RM Sotheby’s. The hosts focus on the significance of a rare 1963 Corvette Grand Sport being offered there.

In the podcast, “Corvette” refers to the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport, specifically a rare set of five cars from 1963 being discussed for sale or auction. Grand Sports are significant because they’re limited and historically tied to racing heritage. The conversation is about predictions and expectations for these particular collector cars.

In an auction context, a “no sale” means the car didn’t reach the seller’s reserve price (or otherwise didn’t get a winning bid). It’s a common outcome for very high-value collector cars when bids don’t clear expectations.

The Daytona Coupe refers to the famous high-performance race-focused car associated with the “Daytona” name, and the podcast compares its rarity to other legendary collector cars. The mention of “five of these” and “six Cobra Daytonas” highlights how few exist, which drives collector interest and auction attention. It’s discussed because limited production and racing pedigree strongly affect value.

The Ferrari 250 GTO is a mid-1960s Ferrari grand touring race-derived collector icon, and it’s one of the most sought-after cars in the world. The hosts cite the number of cars (39) and compare that rarity to other “once-in-a-lifetime” collector cars to argue about pricing.

Ferrari is an Italian supercar brand with a worldwide owner and club presence across many continents. The hosts use Ferrari as the comparison point to argue that global brand following can affect how often certain cars “come up” in the market.

Calling North America the “epicenter” describes where the biggest concentration of buyers, fans, and market activity is for a given car. For collector cars, that can influence availability, pricing, and how often specific models show up in sales channels.

A “British component” here refers to the UK influence in the Cobra’s origins—often discussed in terms of design, engineering, or supply-chain roots. The hosts use it to explain why the Cobra has appeal beyond the U.S., even though it’s commonly framed as an American icon.

The Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG is a modern take on the classic gullwing concept, with doors that hinge upward like the original 300SL. In the segment, “SLS Gullwing Benz” refers to that gullwing-style Mercedes, which is a highly collectible, auction-friendly supercar.

Hyman and Company is an automotive dealership/collector-car business that participates in high-end sales and auctions. In this segment, it’s the seller/dealer connected to the Mercedes-Benz SLS gullwing sale and the host’s annual check-in.

Bring a Trailer is an online auction platform focused on enthusiast and collector cars. The segment uses it as the venue where the Mercedes-Benz SLS gullwing sold for $775,000.

The SLR McLaren is a high-end performance car that’s known for being extremely valuable on the collector market. The podcast comment that it “usually goes for a ton” reflects how demand and rarity can push auction prices high. It’s brought up as a benchmark for what certain rare cars tend to sell for.

The supercar market refers to the niche segment of very high-end, low-volume performance cars where pricing is heavily influenced by rarity, brand desirability, and collector sentiment. In this discussion, the hosts are describing how hype around one brand can affect demand and prices across the whole segment.

A “K-shaped market” describes an economy where one group of assets (often the most desirable “top” cars) rises while another group falls or stagnates. In other words, the market splits into winners and losers rather than moving together.

The Jeep CJ is a classic, open-style off-road Jeep platform known for its rugged simplicity and huge aftermarket support. The podcast context mentions a CJ7, which is one of the better-known CJ variants. It comes up because these Jeeps are commonly restored and modified, and they’re often used as examples in “what vehicles were involved” stories.

The Ford Bronco is a rugged SUV designed for off-road capability and outdoor use. It’s frequently discussed because many owners modify them, so the conversation often turns to what’s been done already and what still stands out. In this podcast context, it sounds like they’re talking about the modified Bronco scene and how many builds have already happened.

“First generation Broncos” refers to the earliest production run of the Ford Bronco, known for its simpler, more basic mechanical design compared with later models. The hosts use it as a benchmark for why people find the early trucks cool, even if they cost a lot today.

In this context, “agrarian” is used to describe the early Bronco’s old-school, farm-equipment-like feel—simple, utilitarian, and geared toward practical work rather than comfort or refinement. It’s a stylistic comparison rather than a technical specification.

A lifted Bronco is a Bronco modified to sit higher off the ground, usually to improve ground clearance and off-road capability. Lifting often changes ride height and can affect how the vehicle handles and how easily it leaks or gets exposed to water, depending on the setup.

The Chevrolet Blazer is an SUV that’s known for being a popular base for customization, especially when owners want a more aggressive stance. The podcast reference to lifting and “messing around with the stance” points to common modifications like suspension changes and larger tires. It’s discussed because these builds are a big part of Blazer culture.

Air bags are supplemental restraint devices that deploy rapidly during a crash to help reduce injury by cushioning occupants. They’re a key safety feature that many buyers expect on newer vehicles.

A warranty is a manufacturer-backed promise to cover certain repairs for a set period or mileage. In the context of buying a new Bronco, the speaker is pointing out that warranty coverage reduces the risk of unexpected repair bills.

This refers to the 1980–1986 Ford F-Series pickup trucks, specifically the “bullnose” era. The segment discusses how these trucks have been gaining value, including how heavy-duty versions are closing the gap with light-duty versions.

This refers to Toyota pickup trucks from the 1980s, which the Hagerty Price Guide update is using as another example of value trends. The host specifically compares two-wheel-drive versus four-wheel-drive versions and how the price gap has been narrowing.

“Two wheel drive” (2WD) means the truck sends power to only two wheels, typically the rear wheels on many pickups. The segment uses it to compare pricing versus four-wheel-drive versions.

“Four wheel drive” (4WD) means the truck can send power to all four wheels, improving traction on slippery or uneven surfaces. Here it’s used in the Hagerty Price Guide context to show how the price difference versus 2WD has been shrinking.

A “one ton truck” is a heavy-duty pickup class typically rated around 2,000 lb (about 1 ton) of payload. In practice, it usually means a larger frame, stronger drivetrain components, and a more work-focused ride than lighter half-ton pickups.

“Half-ton” is a common pickup-truck class label that roughly corresponds to payload capacity (about 1,000 lb). It’s the mainstream size for many buyers, so pricing and availability often differ from one-ton heavy-duty trucks.

The “C10” refers to the Chevrolet C/K pickup line, a classic American full-size truck platform. Enthusiasts often seek specific years and configurations because these trucks are popular for restoration and customization—and because rust can be a major issue on older examples.

The Ford Falcon is a model line that was offered in various body styles, including some that became notable in collector circles. The podcast context suggests a connection to the Ranchero, highlighting how certain vehicles share platforms or design roots. It comes up because older Falcons can be part of interesting automotive history stories.

The Ford Ranchero is a “car-based” pickup built on the Falcon platform, combining passenger-car comfort with a truck bed. That Falcon-derived layout is part of why these are collectible: they’re distinctive, and the details vary a lot by year.

The Ford F-100 is a classic pickup truck from the F-Series lineup, known for its simple, work-focused design and strong collector interest. The podcast context places it around the late 1960s to 1970 timeframe, which is a popular era for vintage trucks. It’s mentioned because older F-100s are often part of restoration and “what’s the story behind this build” conversations.

The host is describing a common custom/restoration practice: taking a pickup truck with a long bed and modifying it into a short-bed configuration. That typically involves cutting and reworking the truck’s frame and body so the shorter bed can fit correctly.

The Ford F-150 is Ford’s best-known full-size pickup, and it’s commonly used as a daily driver and work truck. In this segment, the host mentions driving an older F-150, which frames the kind of truck they’re comparing to the “Blazer Chalet” and other enthusiast vehicles.

“Lightning” here refers to the Ford F-150 Lightning, a performance-oriented version of the F-150. A “crew cab” describes the cab configuration with four full-size doors, which matters because it changes how the truck fits and feels day-to-day.

“Harley weenie” is a slang way of saying the speaker is a Harley-Davidson fan. It’s not a car term, but it signals their enthusiast identity and what kind of culture they’re comparing to.

A supercharger is a forced-induction device that uses engine power to compress incoming air. More compressed air lets the engine burn more fuel, which typically boosts acceleration and makes power feel immediate.

A flip-and-fold cover is a type of cargo cover for a pickup bed that can be folded or flipped to open up the bed. It helps protect items from weather while still allowing quick access when you need to haul something.

Cars and Bids is an online auction platform where enthusiasts bid on cars. When the host says the truck was on a Cars and Bids sale, they’re describing how the price was set through that auction process.

Out-the-door price is the total amount you pay to take the car home, including taxes, fees, and any required charges—not just the sticker or winning bid. When the host compares auction price to a new truck’s cost, they’re essentially talking about the overall cost difference.

The GMC Canyon Crew Cab is a mid-size pickup truck configuration that provides more passenger space than a standard cab. The podcast context mentions driving a 2022 Canyon for a long time, which suggests they’re discussing ownership plans and long-term use. It’s relevant because the Canyon is often chosen for daily drivability with truck utility.

The Studebaker Avanti is a distinctive, late-1950s/early-1960s American grand touring car known for its styling and limited production. In this segment, the host is discussing an Avanti variant and how rare it is, including its Pebble Beach history.

Pebble Beach is a world-famous concours d’elegance event in California where rare and highly curated classic cars are displayed and judged. The host’s point is that this Studebaker Avanti (R3) is historically significant because it’s only the second post-war Studebaker on the field and the first Avanti ever invited.

R3 refers to a specific Avanti performance/trim designation that the host describes as “almost legendary.” The key point here is that it’s a rare variant with very limited surviving examples, and it’s discussed in terms of how it relates to the Avanti’s Grand Sport identity.

A build sheet is the original factory paperwork that documents how a specific car was assembled—often including options and production details. The host says there are at least three copies of the build sheet, which matters for accurate restoration and verification of what the car was originally.

“Original engine” refers to returning a car to the powerplant it originally left the factory with (or the correct matching engine for that car). For classic cars, having the original engine back is a major authenticity and value factor, because many cars have had engines swapped over the decades.

Hubble Beach is referenced as the venue where the car is being accepted, implying a high-profile collector-car event. The context suggests the car’s restoration and documentation are being recognized publicly.

Tour de Elegance is a pre-event driving tour mentioned as part of a larger concours-style weekend. The host frames it as a special opportunity for the restored car to be seen and driven before the main event.

The Subaru R2 is a small, compact car from Subaru, designed for easy city driving and efficient packaging. The podcast joke about production numbers suggests it’s a relatively limited or niche model compared with other small cars. It comes up as a trivia or rarity point for enthusiasts.

An air box is an intake component that manages airflow into the engine. Compared with a simpler “breather,” an air box can help improve how consistently the engine gets air, which matters for power and throttle response.

Valve covers are the housings on top of the engine that protect the valvetrain and seal in oil. Different valve covers can indicate different engine setups or performance packages, even if the engine’s basic layout is similar.

“304.5 cubic inch” is the engine displacement, a measure of the total volume swept by the pistons. Displacement is a key factor in how much air/fuel the engine can move, which strongly influences potential power output.

Transistor ignition is an electronic ignition system that uses transistors to control the ignition timing and spark delivery. The segment notes it “never worked ever,” implying the original setup was unreliable or problematic, and they later converted it back to a more conventional ignition system.

A “transistor box” is an electronic control module that uses transistors to manage a specific system on the car. In older performance cars, these boxes often relate to ignition, engine control, or auxiliary functions that help the engine run correctly.

“Air breathers” are openings or components that help manage airflow—often to feed air into the engine bay or to support engine breathing under boost. In the context of a supercharged setup, they’re part of how the car gets more usable air for combustion.

A “skunkworks project” refers to a small, often secretive, high-focus development effort done outside normal corporate processes. In automotive terms, it usually implies a special, experimental, or low-volume build.

“Quarter mile” refers to a drag-racing distance (about 402 meters) used to compare acceleration and top-end pull. The speaker contrasts that with how the car feels over longer periods rather than just a short sprint.

“Square headlights” is a specific body/lighting design detail used to distinguish between headlight generations or trim changes. The speaker notes that the 1964 cars have square headlights instead of round ones.

“Restore a car” refers to bringing a classic vehicle back to a high standard—often involving bodywork, mechanical refreshes, and sometimes full disassembly and reassembly. The speaker’s point is that restoration costs can be extremely high, which is central to how Hagerty-style valuations are understood.

“Double turquoise” is a color description the speaker uses to emphasize how visually distinctive the Avani is. In car terms, it implies a bold, likely two-tone or unusually saturated turquoise paint presentation that stands out in a display setting.

Here, “face” is design slang for a car’s traditional front-end identity—especially a visible grille and headlight arrangement. The speaker argues that the Avani lacks that obvious “face,” which they say made it polarizing.

In automotive design, the “grill” is the front opening (often with a mesh pattern) that historically helped with airflow to the engine and cooling system. The speaker is using it as a visual cue, saying the car doesn’t show a traditional grille because it’s tucked under the bumper.

The speaker mentions “electric” to distinguish the styling comparison from the idea that the car looks like it’s electric. In this context, it’s about how EVs can have different front-end design language, and how people associate certain looks with electric vehicles.

The speaker references “Elon” as shorthand for Elon Musk, tying the “electric” association to Tesla’s public image. It’s a cultural reference rather than a specific technical automotive term.

“Studebakers” refers to cars made by Studebaker, a historic American automaker. The speaker says they don’t know much about them, implying the conversation is touching on older American car history.

Pierce-Arrow was a luxury American car brand best known for high-end vehicles in the early 1900s. The host mentions Studebaker owning Pierce-Arrow at one point, which is a reminder that automakers frequently bought and merged with other brands during that era.

EMF was an early American automobile brand that produced cars in the early 1900s. In this segment, it’s listed as another company Studebaker owned, highlighting how Studebaker’s corporate history included multiple acquisitions and brand ownerships.

Flanders was an early American automobile brand. The host groups it with other brands Studebaker owned, emphasizing that Studebaker’s history involved multiple automotive names and corporate ups-and-downs.

“Ups and downs” here is shorthand for the financial and operational volatility that many early automakers experienced—periods of growth followed by downturns, restructuring, or ownership changes. The host uses it to frame Studebaker’s corporate history as turbulent.

The Student Baker Museum is a specific museum the host recommends visiting, framed as a place that tells a complete story about the car company history they’re discussing. The segment emphasizes it has a clear beginning and ending, unlike many unfinished brand histories.