Driven: The new 992.2 Porsche 911 Turbo S

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All right on this episode. I have literally just landed

Back from Spain and so we are talking about all things

992.2

Turbo s also people are finally starting to ask for refunds on their Tesla Roadsters and

A whole lot more. It's a cruise show. Let's do it

but I I really have that I

Woke up at 4 a.m. Spain time and it's now

1110 p.m. Spain time so that's like like yeah, I got some sleep. I'm like a little loopy

Yeah, if you can make it

Six more hours and go to bed like eight

Again, I'll make I'll tell I'll have an espresso and I'll work out and I'll be a I can make it till like nine

I'll be all right, but like yeah, that's a long ways. That's

It was 32 hours of air travel for 34 hours of ground time

Which like look there's people who dig ditches for a living

Way to go for a pretty fucking short period of time isn't it yeah, but you the pictures you sent me

It seemed like one of the better press launches in terms of what you were allowed to do and how you were allowed to drive and

Well, yeah, I mean people they were there. So that's pretty good found myself in quite the situation

For the new 992.2 turbo s

But yeah, you're right Zach one of the cool experiences because you know a was it was it's a it was

Spain is a fabulous country to visit

Marbella is one of the most fabulous parts of it. The weather was great. It's beautiful

Food is awesome there

But also it was like the US UK video wave

So it was me Jack from Savage Geese Chris Harris Tom Ford Sam Fane

And oh and Jason Fenske wow and that was it

That was all so like all right. We each had our own car in my case

I had two cars. I did a coupe and a convertible. No one else gave a shit about the convertible, but I thought it was important to drive the convertible

and

So I did so the video is gonna be both cars in one. It's not two separate videos

The convertible on the street and then the coupe on the track

and I mean

and then we got

There was so much there was the roads are fabulous there and there was so much track time

you know, we had a scurry and

We had the choice so so

it was a

just me and Jack

For the afternoon session on the track just the two of us

So they go we could split the track in half and you can each just have your own track

Or you guys can just run the whole track together and like stay out of each other's way and we're like fucking whole track

Absolutely, it's like a it's like a four kilometer circuit. It's a big track and and

you know, we're driving the new turbo s which is

Shocker fucking so fast right and and honestly if if we split the track in half and one

One half of the track is way tighter than the other half

There's like a big fast open half and then a tight technical. Have you been there? Yep. You did. What did you drive there? Oh?

MC 20. Oh, right for Dolly. Yeah, yeah

Right, right, right. It's beautiful. It is amazing. It is amazing

But I could see that if you divided it up when one of you would get all the tight stuff

Yeah, you get to experience rear-wheel steer

That's what happened to me to have all the fun on well on GTS launch was the same hotel and same track

And I we split it up and I had the tight section and there were a lot more people

And so if it was share the track with six people, you don't really know or have your own little track to yourself for two

Hours that was a no-brainer, but like it was Jack like he knows what he's doing like this isn't problematic in any way

And so it was like yeah whole track

and so and there there was you know, I

Trustworthy people and don't need the babysitters. Hmm. Like so they brought out like some DTM driver whose name

I don't know who was offering lead follow if anybody wanted or like ride-alongs if anybody wanted

But like I'd been there so so it was literally

Green means go Wow

Yeah, open open full circuit for like two hours. I mean it was pretty pretty pretty good

Harris

Of course, you know, I didn't

Forgive me the sin of not mentioning that Neil Kerry was there as well because Neil Kerry's the other half of Chris Harris

The half that makes Harris look good. Yeah films everything, right? Yeah, you want the video version of Harris not the

But yeah, he was there he was there as well and

And so they were doing their thing and fucking they went through

I think they went through two sets of rears in like 30 minutes. Wow. Yeah, just doing car to car

Yeah, I know I fucking I as soon as I got to the track because they I filmed my road road stuff first

And they went straight to the track and they did track stuff first and then they went out on the road

And by that I you know by the time I got to the track I get there and Neil's just standing there looking like sullen

And I was like what happened he's like Chris has done a tire in six corners

I was like, I was like, okay

He's like so now we have to wait like 35 minutes to get a new tire put on the car because he couldn't do like the slow

Bits first Wow, that's impressive. Yeah, yeah six big fast corners knowing him

Well, I

went out with him and you know Chris

He's a very he's a very smart guy he busts his ass. He's obviously a fabulous driver and

and you know very very well respected across the industry by most people I think and

Really like ten years ago when we were doing the NBC sports stuff

It was he was very very helpful to me and so I was like, all right Chris like we're here like I was like

I was like I'm getting a little better at this the sliding thing and I was like I was like just

Let's go, you know, take me one lap and like you show me like the good spots to and he was like, all right, so

Let me tell you something the places that he was doing it is not where the fuck I was doing it

He was fourth gear 80 to 90 miles an hour entry speed

Wow by the end I did one I did one and it went okay

And I went I and I think I think trying that is where something really bad would happen sure kinetic energy

Yeah, and I was I wasn't ready to keep trying that

But I was doing it in like this in like the two hairpins and he was like on the fucking you know the bit

All right fine. That's why he's him, right? But but nevertheless, you know when when you

when you have him to show you the the slide line and

And and and also what to do specifically with this car to transfer weight. That's pretty helpful. Yeah

so the car

It's there there's a lot there's a lot to it it is

You can tell it's a dot-two because the new front bumper see the shape of that sort of eyebrow the grills as well as the

nice girls

That's how you can tell it's a dot-two the lower half of the rear bumper

Which I think I have a photo of on the gram also looks different. It makes the rear of the car look a lot wider

Yes, me. It's not exactly an improvement over the old car, but I think it's a little busy

But and I'll have a shot of it in the video. I didn't have one for Instagram

they had us on a stand the old engine and the new engine next to each other and

Dude the engines are like completely different sizes

Then shapes I can't you can't believe that these two engines like fit in the same car

The new engine is much shorter vertically

and wider

Side to side and you know because it's it's the T hybrid, right?

So the you get the gts has this

3.6 liter with an electric turbo charger

It's an e-motor in between the two parts of the turbo and that e-motor can spool the turbo up making boost that idle as low as idle and

It also harvests energy from when the turbo is spinning and not producing acceleration

the

The difference between the 911 turbo

Is it has two of them and some other things well like that's the big one

It's got two of these electric turbos now the electric turbos. It has are a little smaller

Both the turbine and the compressor are a bit smaller

But they spool up faster. They have a higher top speed the turbo the physical turbos

And there's fucking two of them. So, you know you it it makes

701 horsepower

Which is more than the GT2 RS by one

And 590 pound-feet and has the widest power band of any 911 ever Wow

Yeah, the torque is like, you know the peak torque is like 2,200 rpm to redline sure fucking dyno chart is like insane looking

and

It also is I believe the fur. I don't know if it's first 911 ever

But it's the first one that I can certainly recall maybe a comment or knows another one that has a true dual exhaust

It does not have a center muffler collector

So my 718 is a true dual exhaust

So like the left bank and the right bank those two do not come together

So it sounds really really different and in fact this

Cabrio lay in the photos this is also a little weird the new turbo s has these new

shaped exhaust pipes

But

Optionally, you can get the old one. So this is actually this is actually a sport design car on this cabriolet

Those are the sport design wheels sport design front lip and sport design wing and then oval tips

Which they just make it look like last year's car then you think picture the Hearst shifter H

You know I'm talking about yeah that H picture that outline as an exhaust tip

That's what the standard tips look like. Hmm. They're kind of weird. You like them or you don't like not really look a little busy

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So so that's like the main thing, right? Uh, there's also of course, uh, the same gearbox as the gts

Which means there's the pdk e-motor

in there that is also the starter motor and reverse

and

Because there are now two electric turbos

It can generate more power

So the pdk gearbox outputs more power even though it's the same shit

Same hardware. It's just got more juice flowing to it. Sure. It outputs more power. You mean, oh, there's more electricity

There's more electricity going to the going to the pdk. Yeah, it's they took them to explanations with me as well

I was like, wait, so it's the same e-motor, but it makes more power. They're like, yes because there's two

Electric turbos now and I was like, well, what does that have to do with it? It's like they're outputting more power like, oh, okay

Yeah

Um

And they can do that without needing a bigger battery uses exactly the same battery as the gp as the gts

Small 1.9 1.9 kilowatt hour battery is the size of a normal car battery

Like and and also if you recall and I actually have forgotten this until I got back there

It just wasn't something I thought about in a while. Um, no accessory belt drive

It's on the 400 volt system. So the ac

All all everything runs off of that the high voltage hybrid system. So there's no belts

Um, which eliminates weight and all kinds of other things and that sort of is why the engine got so much shorter

Because the accessories that run on the belt, you know, the you know, the block is like flat, right?

But the accessories that have to run off the crankshaft need to be like stacked up like this fit in that

Yeah, now you can just put that shit anywhere. So

And then it has it has this new pdcc, which this is going to be just a mess of letters. It's e h p d c c

electro hybrid

whatever

Basically the 400 volt system can

Adjust the anti roll bars and the shocks like super super super fast. So

In the result is to me like this this gray car that I drove

Uh had the best like body control of any 9 11 I've ever driven over like bumpy weird roads

Just because there's more voltage so much more power so then you can control everything more precisely. Oh, wow

Okay, and it has these new super, um

They are anti roll bars, but it can like couple them uncouple them like partially couple like it can adjust them

like really really fast it's it's

It it's not

The hardware is different from what mclaren does in the seven series cars

But the way it makes the car feel is basically the same. Okay, it's so if it goes over bumpy shit like a mclaren

Which is good

And in the corners, though, does it stay super duper flat where you don't really feel anything in terms of momentum?

And then that might be just a byproduct of that kind of system

No, I don't think so like the hydraulic shit in the panameras and the taikans like I asked them

I said could this engine run the hydraulic suspension? He said yes, but we would never put that in a 9 11 because there's not enough feel

Um, and I said did you ever build a 9 11 like with a prototype?

He's like well

You'd also have to change a bunch of things because like the the the way the shocks are mounted and like there's a whole bunch of different stuff

But he said I drove the panamera and I drove the taikon and like as a luxury car suspension

Like that's real that's amazing

But we just would never put it in 9 11 because you need feel and so I think it I think it does a good job

Actually, it splits the difference between feel and performance. I mean

On the track like on the road like I knew what was going on. It just like

Didn't beat the shit out of me

for a car that is both heavy

And powerful now it doesn't have a ton of downforce

So it doesn't need to balance that element of it out

But so many cars we've driven that have crazy high performance and are heavy

Are very very stiff because that's how they control the body and then you end up with a bad ride

These cars are not stiff. Cool. They're not stiff at all. Um, at least they don't ride. They don't ride stiff

The structures are are quite rigid. The 9 11 convertible is fucking that's a rigid car

You know, um having said that

This turbo s

Is the very first 9 11 to have a curb weight that starts with a four

Wow. Yeah, this one's like 4,011 pounds

And the the coop is 38 29. What was the 99 2.1 weight? I don't know

I don't remember but it wasn't a four

um

Yeah, this one's it's a bit heavy

38 29 the last one that's the weight of the new coop. That's the way the new coop. Uh, okay

um

But you know on the flip side of that

It is the most aerodynamically efficient turbo s ever

With those grills in the front that open and the active air

There's like four different active aero elements on the car. The other thing I learned in the tech presentation is

Boy, is this thing going to be a bitch to fucking service in like 10 years? Sure. Oh god, it's going to be crazy. I

I would I really want to um

Sit down with like batim or one of these guys and be like listen

How are you going to maintain this car and and service it like you know?

What is that going to look like and can you get training on it or what?

I think the answer is yes. There's a guy a follow instagram is a

Dm buddy, but he was a tech a very high level tech in an outy dealership

He's since left to work at an indie shop, but the

His very funny posts complaining about the training that has to happen every couple months because the tech that

Keeps just getting jammed into lamborghini's and outies is like it's just so advanced and it's computer this and it's sensor

That and taking apart 15 different things to get the one thing. So now you've got these

Probably more complicated, you know, electromechanical uh sway bars. Yeah, and if you want to change out sway bars

Why would you but if you want to like how do you do that?

What do you need to remove to get to a simple part? It'll be tough

Speaking of lamborghini just a little side note. You see today. They're they're offering a 10 year unlimited mile warranty

Yeah, listen folks

A lamborghini is a very expensive car

But when a company does this

You can get an enormous amount of value out of it if you buy a lamborghini brand new

And it literally drive the shit out of it for 10 years

That's an incredibly good value

I'm not even kidding because those cars have a floor if you if you buy a new a temerario if you get a temerario now

Okay, it's fucking expensive. It's crazy expensive. It's like 500 grand

All right, let's say it's 500 grand. It'll be on 50 grand either side of that

You got one for you drive it for 10 years. Okay, it's a 2026. It's 2036. So let's look at a

2016 Huracan right now

Even a very high mileage

2016 Huracan

Is prop would probably sell for over 50 percent of its msrp

Even if at 100,000 miles on it, it would probably pretty probably at about 50 percent of its msrp

So like if you spent 500

And did 100,000 miles

And lost 50 fully under warranty

Those are pretty

Good value miles. You're driving a lamborghini that entire time. It's still gonna look pretty new

Their cycle their life cycle a product cycle is 10 years

They'll probably still be selling ones that look like this. Well, it's like you'd be spending about 25 grand a year

Right. So I think if if someone's leasing a two-year lease of you know, I don't know

$80,000 car

Like what's your payment per month? Dude, if you're leasing like a hundred thousand dollar car. It's like two grand a month

Right. So like you're very close. You're and that's an a hundred thousand dollar car. You're talking we're talking about a 500 thousand dollar car

Yeah, so like yes, it's a ton of money

But when a manufacturer like lamborghini does 10-year unlimited mile warranties

If you are if you ever were like, what would it be like to really fucking daily a lambo?

There is a pretty good financial argument that there is no better time to do it than taking better

I sound like i'm doing a commercial no better time to do it

But like no seriously ferrari did this a few years ago with the 458 and people

Dude people made out great great

Well, you also get to enjoy driving the car hard as much as you want

I mean that's when I heard about the ferrari thing that was the most attractive to me because everybody knows

That's servicing these cars out of warranty is almost prohibitively expensive even to many of the people who could afford the payment

Like the monthly payment

But if you can get one

And then you don't do the stupid thing everyone does where they bubble the car and they're afraid to drive it

Put miles on it. Yeah, enjoy that. Yeah, because because the mile what what you will learn is that the miles were cheap

Ultimately what you what you get for that car at the other end with or without extra 25 30 000 miles

That is that is a cheap bit of miles. Well, the math question we might have

Hopped over is what is a 10 year old lambo worth that also has 100 000 miles on it

You think it's still worth 50 percent of msrp. What do you think that's a number usually, you know for for lower mileage cars

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No, no low mileage ones would be would be better than that

You know if you if you have a 10 year old limber like a 2016

We could if we spent some time on the auctions

We could probably do this but and I want to get back to the turbo s but just just as a

as a thought exercise

Maybe I don't want to I don't want to do it on the show

But maybe someone wants to tell us and and my and by the way

I could be enormously wrong on this, but I was not wrong about the ferrari's

Everyone who bought a new ferrari 458 and drove the shit out of it

Fucking had a great time and the depreciation

Was not that bad people's there was still a good market for clean high mile ferrari's

Because they would always get the services done and everything too like they'd be taking care of so

Um, where do we leave off? Oh where it's going to be like to service this car in 10 years, right?

Um, so anyway, let's let's just talk about how it drives

Um, uh, you know inside the car familiar place everything is essentially the same

Other than some trim items and stuff and a nice bit of carbon around the

thing

It's

Obviously despite the weight. It's just ridiculously fast. Um

But

It is so

Sure-footed is so

undramatic

about

How fast it I mean zero to 60 and two five

Porsche says 10 three in the quarter to me that means race gas and tires away from nines, right?

Um, oh they've put in did I send you the video they put in some of their quoted time

Usually like gross weight where it's loaded with people in bags and it's like a worst case scenario time

They want anyone to be able to hit that time. Yeah, so I imagine this is a nine second car

um

It has they've you know because there's

It's funny because porches are so like serious

They never like there's not a lot of whimsy in porches outside of like the colors like that's pretty much it like the engineering of porches

Very serious

And so whereas like ford, you know puts like silly shit in like the fox body gauges or whatever

When I try to tell Porsche that they should do a downloadable car pack for their electric car

They they look at me like why would anybody want their car to feel like a 50 year old car and I'm like oh guys

But uh the head engineer for this they they put in a burnout mode crazy

They can't call it that because Porsche is too serious

So they call it a tire warm-up mode, which is a hysterical leaving the pits. That's what it's for. Yeah, and uh, there's

And uh, so to do it you go sport plus uh full off

and

Left foot brake

But before you do right foot gas like a launch control you told both paddles

Then you floor it

the revs come up

You then take your foot off the brake while still holding the paddles

And when you dump the paddles it goes

So you're off brake. You're just revving. You're basically doing a clutch drop. You're doing a clutch and then it's just

Yeah rear wheel drive only clutch drop very very cool. And without riding the brake at all

I made a 100 meter set of 11s without touching the brakes. We can't show that right now. I can't show it

I can't show it because I could airdrop it. Yeah. Yeah, I can't show it now, but it's in the video

I saw it and it was part of the video. It was very legit. I hadn't done burnouts in a while. They're pretty fun

They're very fun. Uh, and it it shifted twice while doing the burnout. It was in third by the time I was done

Yeah, um

That's really fun. And it took me a couple tries to get it's a pretty complicated thing to do

Um, it took me a couple tries to get that shot

Would it let you do that if you were like if you had any angle in the wheel?

Like if you're on a on a tight current like could you do a 180 you you know turn

In a burnout or does it have a setting where only if you're pointing to no if you have it's not a drift mode

If you apparent if you have more than whatever a couple degrees of steering angle

It reengages the front drive to straighten it. Oh, right because otherwise you could crash actually the the you know

It's a mechanical front drive in this. They're not doing electric motors at the front yet

Maybe the next generation car will do that

But this this one is a mechanical

But they said in a dynamic driving situation only about five percent of the power is going to the front

And he said in you know in like wet mode or whatever more power goes to the front

You know, it can be I think they said it was up. It could be up to 50 of the torque, but

But basically, you know, you want this car to feel mostly like a rear wheel drive car, you know

Which it which it really does

It it doesn't have doesn't have the gt3 steering obviously

and the fucking

Adas comes on every time you start it

Which in in u.s. Cars it will not it'll stay in the last setting but driving these european cars socks when you're filming

Well, is it still two buttons away though? It's in the screen

No, the gt3 has a button for it and this one is two touchscreen taps. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah

Um, that's the legal minimum in you in the EU, right? Yeah, not Porsche's fault, but it sucks

Um

And uh, so look as it's it's very fast on the road

But on these look, I mean even this photo

That's like you can tell how huge this car is on this two-lane road and that's a pretty open straight away that we're on

Yes, people listening not watching matt is parked, you know diagonally across a two-lane road and he's taking up almost all of it

Yeah, and you can just see how wide the front of this car is like if you if you're in the lane

There's probably not much room on either side. It's a really wide car. Yeah, and and

How much wider than 99?

It's not that it's any wider than that. It's just the turbo. Yeah, it's just still a huge car

I mean I drove the gts on the same roads. It was a fucking huge car like it's not this isn't unique to the turbo s

Um, it's just like 992s are big on the track

It makes no difference on the highway. It doesn't really make a difference

But on these windy european back roads like oh, yeah, like

Dude on some of these like cliffside shits like if there's a truck coming the other way

You're like i'm gonna drop a wheel in the dirt here. It's you know, if I was in a cayman

I probably could have gone quicker on the road sections than a 700 horsepower

Supercar. Yeah, you know, yeah, um

I literally could not drive the road sections any any quicker in this than I could in the gts

I was gonna ask so let's talk about that kind of comparison and you know is

Are there people that could stretch their budget a little bit from gts to reach turbo or turbo s

this is these are like

The turbo s is like 60 grand more than a gts now it's 170 more horsepower

The number of places where that difference is significant

Is very small sure it's I mean really it most of the time

It's not a faster car. I mean it does have like a little more grunt on the bottom because it's got the two turbos, but like

Not that is there any difference in steering feel brake feel anything tactile besides just you know outright thrust

I mean

I will say

The the suspension on the turbo is more advanced and refined and the body control is better

on the turbo

If you were driving on bumpy roads the turbo is better

If you are driving like long distance highway the turbo is better

But if you're just like saturday afternoon kind of local canyons

And or you're spending real money like you need to really save to get the like I would say get the gts

They're they're mostly the same. I mean and I'm not I don't mean this to be an insult to the turbo

I think most people understand that the difference between

530 and 701 horsepower

Does not happen below 80 miles right? Yeah, you will not notice it happens

Fuck it at the higher higher end of that

You know what clarified that for me recently was pretty funny is

I was in my car coming home through we opened up and I just like dropped the gears

I was like rolling slowly and traffic and got off

But I was as I was accelerating went it's my car broken and I looked down

I was like, oh no, I'm going 85 and it just doesn't pull that much about 85. But because our press cars were in

All have power numbers starting with like a four or five, you know, we kind of get spoiled by this

Especially with turbo stuff this I mean this car is just it's so fast and so sure-footed that

You don't even really feel the speed the numbers on the dash are just going up so fast

you know like it's

Even on the track like

On the track this car

Is will make someone who's average

Into a superhero. That's what this thing does. It it will mask minor mistakes

It will recover some things for you if you leave the systems on

It's incredibly forgiving

And you can if you want click back over to the yellow one, which was the coupe I drove on the track

Um, I was just curious real quick. So 991.1

Gts had 400 in 30 horsepower and the turbo s at the time had 560 so 130 horsepower delta

So we actually grown that difference. The delta is even bigger now. Yeah. So on the track

um

No surprise

Incredible competence, right? Like if you want to run a clean like you have to try to slide it

It won't just step out ever sure

And unlike the gts

Which I drove the rear wheel drive one on the track the gts you could actually

Add power early and and and power out on an exit in a turbo

You cannot do that on a turbo you have to as chris says back it in

Which means fucking stand on the brakes and trail brake

And then the back end will just come out on its own, right?

And it's a matter of you know not fucking it up from and then booting it

So you get the wheels spinning fast enough. So yeah, yeah

And actually when you if you if you give about 25 throttle at that point

It will hold a very nice slide and the front drive will pull just enough to straighten you out

It's quite good. Um, but it won't do shit like that unless you a turn everything all the way off and be

Decide that you want to do it, right? Um, it will not do that because otherwise. I'm sure by design

You know

These cars from back in the day had the history or the the myth rather of like you get on the gas too early

It steps out someone a dentist dies. Yeah, and so this as it steps out there. All the computers are saying no use the front

Give it a little torque and pull that front around. So it's just keeping you going. So it's you know, uh

Ascari is a very smooth track. The curbings aren't very hard. There's not a lot of like big impacts

Um, but there's a lot of elevation change and like these sort of like whoop-de-doos, you know

Especially in the back section and when you when you can get kind of yump it over those

Which is really really fun

Um, but every bump in this car is one down one up. It's just it there's no extra movements

There's no extra. Oh, that was stiff or that was harsh. It's just like

It's it it it you know that a bump just happened

But just one, you know, there's it's it's really really cool like that

How does the ride and control in this compared to Bentley continental speed? That's more artificial and like digital

that's more like

That's more like a traditional

like

Muscle car dynamics front engine rear drive

Um, but it's it's like pretty soft too. Even in a sport plus a Bentley gt is like pretty soft

um

You'd probably fucking smoke out a Bentley gt after about six laps of Ascari

It would probably not be happy

If you were driving it like a shit bag for about six laps, this would be fine

You could do 50 in one of these for sure

I mean, there's assume if if you weren't sliding and could keep the tires. Yeah, keep the tires on it. Yeah

What mode were you were you sport plus stiff on Ascari or were you running software suspension? No, I'd uh

My my favorite mode was sport plus with the shocks back in sport

And then psm off and then then it was like just fabulous

But you can go full sport plus on track and it's not abusive at all. Yeah, fine

um

Lot of wind buffeting with the fucking windows down though. Hmm. That stinks in the coups like above

Above seven. It's like 70. Oh

Above 70 as well. Whoa. Yeah wind buffeting. Okay. Yeah, not my favorite

I know like I feel like most people driving at 80 miles per hour probably have windows up

I don't know. It's one of my favorite pastimes. I know I know we we're divided on this this and sunroofs

Um, let's see. What else do I need to?

Tell you about it

I don't know if anyone's watching

Watching the live stream right now and has questions about it now we can get to those but um, obviously

It's insanely fast. It's really expensive. There's you know a million colors and um,

but it's not

it's definitely not for everybody because

I just I just think when it comes to 9 11's like they really do make one for everybody and like

Even though the the top this like

There's there are as a select

Situations where this is really worth that extra spend

over

Gts or an s. I mean, I drove a thousand miles in an s

tail the dragon trail like

I could not tell you

I don't think I don't I couldn't tell you with a straight face that had I done that drive in a turbo. I would have had a better time

I mean genuinely I I think I think I had I think I had exactly the same time. I would have had an either car

I feel like this. I mean, there's so many things like this anything mechanical that cost money

But it's like expensive shotguns or something. Yeah, I will see people post on red

They're like, how come people buy these shotguns and I go because they don't want to own the same shotgun as you

And it's because they can and so for this, you know, some people may drive it hard enough to really

Enjoy that difference between this and a gts, but most people

They want to have the different badge. They like having the look the name whatever and they just want to have the best one

I want the top of the line. I want the top of the line and I get it and and the good news is like

The the the the envelope of talent is just wider than ever before, you know

It's got instant torque off the line because of the e-motor

So when you're puttering around in traffic, the thing is like shifting at 2000 rpm and like not bogging

And start stop is like so smooth that you just I'm I'll leave it on now. I'm not going to kill it every time I drive the car

Because again, there's no starter motor. It's just that e-motor just the engine goes from off to on

It's and and and this is where Porsche always

Debues that new technology. Yeah, this is where they take the new technology. It's surprising that it went into the gts

First and not the turbo s, you know, I would have thought

Porsche would have released this car and then done one with one turbo after that. Good point, but

Maybe they wanted to see how people felt about the term hybrid

That's what I was thinking just now, but maybe I feel like their product cycles are playing so far ahead

You know, people hated it

They did they joked in the presentation that their customers do not like the word hybrid

Oh on 911s where they call it now electric turbo. That was fucking tea hybrid still, but the customers just don't like that

I think it's cool. Electric turbo is rad. It's just rad technology that exists

Someone in the chat asked are there any non-performance special goodies that are exclusive to the turbo s

Non-performance that's interesting the the seats

Have a special insert in the leather. That's like a throwback to like

The 80s a little bit

Um, that's that's different. The carbon dash trim is unique to the turbo turbo s. It's a dry carbon

um

I mean, there's certainly, uh

A couple different like wheel options that that are unique to turbo s. What size of these wheels with 21 21

p0 r tires

I don't know what else, uh, I can't think of anything else that, uh

Is unique to turbo s there's

A bunch of stand. I mean turbo s

Is come standard with a lot. It's one of the

It's sort of the hallmark of the of the turbo s as as an idea

It's supposed to be

It comes with like standard 18 ways standard. Um extent full extended leather standard bermeister

Standard pdls stand like a lot of stuff that's optional in other cars is standard on this car

So does it come standard with radar cruise control?

I

Don't know

I would certainly fucking hope so

But I don't know

My car had it, uh, all the cars that were there had it

That's a good question. It's curious. Uh, but I don't know. Yeah, that would be annoying if you don't know that

That's that's a must. It drives me insane that 911s don't come standard

We but not just them like we've encountered you drove that urus

I mean we've encountered a number of cars in the years that cost as much as a house

And don't come with one of the most convenient inventions of the last 30 years

The urus was the by far the most egregious example. Yeah, yeah, yeah

Um, so there is going to be a video. It's going to be

Rather professional like with writing and stuff by my by my standard rather professional

I got I got to edit that on my flight probably because it's gotta go up

Tuesday, wow, it doesn't have to go up Tuesday. I'm not I mean

I

It would be nice. Oh, yeah, it'll be a long flight. But I I'll have time

If you can give me all the assets before the flight. Oh, I can I can give you 90 of the assets today

um, I just yeah

I guess that there is a script does help very much. Yeah. Yeah

um

Okay, that's uh, that's that thank you to portia for having me out there and everyone else for making it fun

Um, oh little show and tell speaking of portia

Sorry for the radio people, but I'll try to describe this as best I can we talked about

Recently cup holders and my

Royal majesty's cup

Well, there is someone out there who makes and what's the name of this guy? I gotta say

Sorry, I think it's like kaizen

All right cameras, okay, it's uh

Fuck

Every time I see stuff like this I want to buy a 3d printer. Yeah, right, right?

Kaizen engineering

And this is a replacement for my little change tray behind my shifter

And it's a fucking cup holder like the 992 whoa 3d printed. So does it like notch into there?

I have my an installation guide right here

But so someone 3d printed that so now I can put my

Portia fitted cup without it flopping around on my dash

How nice is that? That's very very cool. Isn't that cool? Yeah

So that's like really you gotta go test fit this afterwards. Yeah the car's downstairs

So we're gonna have to I this is honestly one of the coolest things not this but like the use of 3d printers where

You know to make this before would have been so hard

Yeah, no one's gonna do that

And now people can just like scan the cup holder of the change tray and go. Hmm. How can I notch this thing in there?

And then there it is so this yeah, and so it'll fit the

The bottle or my you gotta try your pink cup my pink. Yeah, it's it's meant to fit my pink cup

so

I mean I might want to get a little uh

Like find a piece of rubber or something to cut out for the bottom. Yeah

Maybe there's like a spray in coating or something that could be risky flex light flex whatever

Yeah, so that's show until number one and then and then the notice guys just sent me this. This is uh, larry casillas watch

This is the ammo

It's called the sentinel

And it's in the canyon family

It's on the canyon platform same case

But how cool is this look this has a

has a rubberized

bezel and a rubberized strap

And the idea is it it is designed to not scratch a car if you're working around a car. Oh, that's cool. So yeah, it'll it'll uh

supposedly I mean part of what it does is

Tell good timing the other part of what it does is keep you from scratching up a car if you're working. I like it

Is this is it rose gold almost not quite

Not this is the case. Sorry not the case, but like the hands and stuff. Oh the hands are just gold

They're not just gold. There's like a hint of something to them. It looks nice. Yeah, cool

So you can get that at uh notice's website support larry. It's it's a

steel case

Same ljp movement that I use in the other canyons

It is a destro by the way. It's a lefty watch

because the crown

Uh, I was gonna ask. Yeah. It's so the crown doesn't scratch

Uh car as well. It's going going at your hand. I actually don't even though i'm a lefty. I don't have any lefty watches. Isn't that funny?

um

And uh, it's a very pretty dial. It's uh larry's like a real black it out kind of guy

So it's a black and rose gold like his nine six four, right? Let me do 100 worldwide

100 units

So fucking go buy one. They're really cool if you have all the other canyons, especially this is this is in

In the fam

And uh, i'm gonna wear this one for a while. We'll see how that goes nice and thin. It is very thin. Yeah

um, so that's uh, that's show and tell

um

We can talk about

the refunds for

People are tesla uh roadster

deposit holders are finally starting to ask for refunds like eight years later

um, which I thought was

A hilarious like the the fucking stock home syndrome of that that it

Uh, was it it was uh, marcus brownlee did a did a whole video about like what it

I don't know if it's a video or just social media posts about what it took him to get his deposit back and it was a real

bitch

um

Yeah, so now we've got a bunch more people that want it back and it just made me think

Not just that they took money for a car and never built it

Which is crazy and not just that people waited eight years to try to get their money back, which is real crazy

um

Remember all the other things they said this car was gonna do

Uh, well, yeah 1.9 seconds zero to 60 250 mile per hour stops. I mean the bit was the rocket thing

A rocket thruster right sure. That's legal that'll work. That'll be fine

And then there was some compressed air thruster idea as well

Someone said it could maybe fly there was a just sort of a jumping

I gotta tell you this car had more idea storage space than any car on sale today. It had all the trunk space for ideas. Yeah

um

just

How stupid is everybody?

For believing any of this bullshit. Well, look in 2017

Or 18 I can see people going. Oh, he said it'll be ready next year. This sounds cool

but

Eight years on like I can't believe maybe people were trying to get their money back five years ago

But how long would you be willing to wait after giving them 50 grand by the way? I mean maybe two

maybe two

but like

Crimes are legal is what I'm trying to say. It gets proven every single day crimes are just legal

financially if there if it's white collar crime and you're a white person

They're legal. Just get away. Here's a little more detail on how hard it was to get this. This is from slash gear, but uh

Tesla said that you could get your cancel your order anytime

But the websites quote manage reservation page had no cancel button and only gave you an email and a phone number

Tesla customers complained that neither contact method yielded a timely response

Only those who were lucky or persistent enough to reach a tesla rep

Got through to anyone and those folks didn't really want to help them

He had to do multiple cancellation requests if he had different channels sometimes not even getting a response. Wow

It's awesome. It's awesome and people got their so you so to put the deposit down

You'd give them five grand on a credit card

Then you had to wire them 45 grand within 10 days people are saying that they got the 45,000 back quicker

But we're having trouble getting the remaining five

Or vice versa. I saw one guy one guy on reddit

He said I mean this was a claim but said that basically when he called up the person like didn't know what a roadster was

The point was like roadster. What? Yeah, we don't have that car here. What are you talking about?

We don't make that we don't that's the funniest

Response ever we don't sell a roadster guy. I'm not giving hey Ted. This guy wants 50 grand back for the roadster

We don't even sell a roadster. We don't sell a roadster guy. That's hilarious

Geez, can you imagine someone who's worked there for six months because there's turnover and they're like I've never heard of this car

There's no there's no roadster production line. I'm I'm looking at the floor right now 2017. I was in high school

If there was a roadster plant I would have heard about I'm the head of product

Yeah, that's fun. Uh, should we go to the people? Yeah, we know the people

Well, let's talk about the people's thoughts on the patreon patreon.com slash the smug tire podcast is where you ask questions for the show

also

where you um

Uh, also where you get uh, what was I saying?

Extra show. Sorry. This I think it's this is time the flight is catching up to me

It's where you get extra show. It's where you catch the live stream

It's where you get exclusive access to merch collabs and other stuff and where you get an ad-free listening and watching experience

Uh, can you punch in zack? Uh, because I left my glasses in my bad eyes as well

charlie fennings says, uh, I've been driving a

Oh, wait, hang on

All right, there's a lot of work. I've been driving a Volvo v60

Uh, and because of ongoing issues Volvo is gonna buy it back

I don't want to lease anything and nothing. It's it excites me and it seems silly to throw away

This capital that Volvo is repaying

Uh, I I'd love an rs4, but I'm not sure I can put as many miles I need on that

What else for 25 to 45 thousand dollars used should I look at?

I could use a wagon or suv as I'm in the furniture business

But would consider a sedan with folding real seat rear seats and I'll rent a pickup truck when needed

You are a golf r customer. Yeah

Right

Yeah, you probably have one new that's a that's a really good car. You could get a new golf r for for that

I mean almost a new golf r. I think after taxes it would be more look up the measurements

But like my dad has a v60. I think it's a 2020 or a little older

But the the back the trunk is not huge. So I don't think a golf r will be that

I don't think you'll lose that much room and I think the roof shape in the back glass shape is actually better

Yeah, so uh, I would look that up. Yeah, um, could also look at the

328 i the diesel that vinny had. Oh, yeah, the f80 328 d sport wagon

That was lovely. Those are nice. That was a really nice car. Yeah

Uh, johnny evie gearberman. Why didn't Lincoln get a mock e?

Is Lincoln

I don't know. Do they don't have an electric crossover? I guess they don't do they?

They're an electric like nautilus or something or the corsair way go back to the go back to the um,

Someone says I thought someone I thought I saw a corsair. Um

Livermore Lincoln

Is this from a dealer three new fully electric linens by 2025?

I mean, I would be shocked if there isn't a Lincoln that uses the they have a nautilus hybrid

Yeah, corsair grand touring and aviator grand touring. Okay, so they kind of do

I don't it's not a mock e but like you don't you don't need to make like just badge engineer that they could just

Nate johnson says, uh

Okay, we last episode we talked about a loaded accord versus an entry level lexus

Makes me wonder would you take a fully loaded rav 4 hybrid versus an entry level?

Rx 350h or Lincoln Corsair my wife literally did that

I mean, yes, we always talk about this get the nicest version

Of the model versus the least nice version of the upper model because otherwise like

Why do you want to drive around an expensive badge but a car that has no features?

I agree with you except

There are times where getting the better car is like work like

Like a a a Japanese crossover from the Toyota corporation. Yes

I'd want a fully loaded rav versus a base a base lexus

But what I want a fully loaded Mustang versus a base

Cayman, you know a base boxer like whatever like there's times where you can get like a

In my opinion, what is a better car?

You know for similar money. Yeah, that's true in the in this specific example. I'll take the reform

Uli conkels autobahn

Best camera setup and way to mount them for recording fun weekend drives

I mean just one of the consumer grade

You know people like the DJI action cams a lot of people like those now

We still use go pros and they're fine like the sony's a lot too

Yeah, I do think if you have a really good mount the iphone

Dynamic range and stuff and and the audio capture of the iphone is the best I've experienced out of any of the action cams

I mean don't put it outside the car. Obviously

And the metaglasses I have I'm also very impressed with except they only shoot vertical. You can't shoot landscape. That's stinking. So

The I mean the way to mount them go to film tools.com and search for vacuum suction cups

The vacuum ones. Those are the really good ones. Yeah, we use them Larry chencil uses them for all of his crazy

Anyone who is serious about doing this uses those and you just need to have a clean surface

um

bad gardener says did chevy and

Uh, other american manufacturers only make one car at a time in the 50 60s seems normal for people to say

A 56 chevy or whatever and I have no idea what they're referring to. No, that's funny

It's really fun. No, they didn't but

They usually only made one collectible car at a time

So if someone says a 56 chevy, it's usually understood to be a bell air or something

but um

No, that's funny. They did make like

A lot of different versions of the same fucking they did. So I looked up

I I typed in 1956 chevrolet and what's funny is that the google results the top five were four bell airs

But here are the cars that they made

In 1956 if you said a 56 chevy you could be one of six different variants of the bell air

Uh, the bell air sport coop the nomad the cameo carrier, which is the truck pickup truck the corvette

150

Oh, that oh that is also a truck. That's the yeah, that's a panel truck pickup truck

Uh, the suburban the two ton and then they had three or four different race cars

So they made fucking like 25 different cars, but there was there was a lot under this bell air umbrella. Wow

All right, that's a funny question

Uh, wouldn't jesus take the wheel?

Um

The other night I saw one of those new bmw's with the enormous kidney grills out with the outline illuminated

Yep, that's the electric ones. How many more model?

Refresh cycles

Do you think it's going to be until all these over the top led lighting elements go the way of the floating roof designs?

I'd never I don't think they're going to go away for a while

Never it started with Mercedes had the first led badge and remember it was like a $12,000 option

It was very not 12. It's like it's 1200 bucks. And now the whole grill is lit up

Ford trucks are doing it. Everyone's doing it to announce to someone. This is what I'm driving

Um

Triggered the lib. Oh great

Where did you get that gray jack? I don't know. I don't I don't know what gray jacket is you've got like a

Mr. Rogers, but like a nicer looking it's like a sport coat. Oh the sweatshirt blazer. Um, faulty

That's from faulty and it comes in like five different colors. Mr. Nailhead says

Oh, sorry that one. No, thank you, but not relevant to the show today. Um, okay

Man people are asking me about cars. I've never driven three days of graceful racing never driven the mazda cx 70 or 90

Sorry

Chris from colorado

Once p. Cody is released

Can you get someone on the team to join you on the podcast to go through every car in detail?

And how they stack up against each other with respect to chris from colorado. Isn't that what the article is for?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but like that's exactly what they do in the article for the p. Cody is long and very thorough

25 pages. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that is that is what it is

um, if someone's in la i'm the only rodentrack writer that lives in la

So, uh, someone would have to be here

The driving emotion says, uh, the with the bolt coming back next year. Is there any hope of the volt making a comeback?

probably

Don't know now with gm's concept fucking jim's had just had a fire there

Really? Yeah in pasadena like yet today or yesterday. Whoa. Yeah a concept car caught on fire in the building

The original reports said that the whole building burned down, but it did not it was one

Apparently one car concept car caught on fire and one concept car was lost. Yeah

Um, the volt was great people should they should come back

Waymo hand jobs from women. I hardly know

What's more annoying a person that assumes you must be a douche if you drive a high-end sports car

Or a person with no track experience that asks you what was your top speed only to look disappointed at whatever number you say

Uh, the first the first is more annoying not everybody who drives a nice car is a douche

um

And most people don't understand

The concept of track speed versus, you know, most people just want to hear a big number. Yeah, just when that happened

Here's the problem the problem is

Someone says what's the fastest?

You know what they want just give them a big fucking number. Sure make it up. Yeah, how fast did you go to 12?

Okay

End of conversation

uh

Rolex LT larry at king ranch. I'm looking at thousand dollar ish watches obviously no

Notice is a reputable micro brand. How do you know what other brands are good quality?

Or do you go by the movement and hope it's a quality piece?

Dude, like there's so many online communities that talk about this shit constantly like there's there's watch crunch

There's reddit watches. There's any number of like face if anyone's still using facebook

I don't know but like sub communities um and and like

Watch reviews reviews by professionals that fucking's I don't know how someone writes two 2,500 words on a watch

But they'd find a way and like there's a million ways to find out if a watch is good quality

The very best way is to ask about their return policy and buy one or to go find a place to to to

To try it on any of those shows the intersex show

Dude this past couple weeks. There's been like seven watch shows all over the country

There's like wind up watch week in new york. There's a watch something something in austin

I think intersect has an austin show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's I mean there's there's um

I don't know where you're where you're writing in from but um

There's a million anyone who buys a micro brand watch

I guarantee you eight out of ten. They're on a fucking forum

And they're gonna show off their new watch and review it

Oh and you and you search for you know, see what people are saying about it

And then if you you know, if it passes the the internet approval test of like this isn't a complete piece of shit

You buy one you ask about their return policy, you know and and and if you doesn't feel right in your hands

You know, it's got it's got to sit right. It's got to look right, you know on you

um

You return it get something else

um, yeah

green okay

Green elephant for zack got an o3 crown Vic in light blue

Super clean previous boomer owner

Uh, should I leave it alone or dump some money making it an interceptor detective looking car with bumpers or leave it stock in chrome?

I thought I was gonna have to put all the cop stuff on it. I bought a detective spec

It did not have um, you know the push bumpers and I thought no one's gonna think i'm a cop and get out of the way on the

Highway, I was wrong my car looked stock. I think I put an antenna on the back that did nothing

Uh, if you do that and you drive with authority people will think you're a police officer

So don't put because the bumpers are cool to see but they take you add a foot to the length of the vehicle

Which trust me you don't need so a parallel parking that thing sucks already. You don't need to deal with that

Um, yeah, keep it keep it leave it alone. It'll be easier to sell and everyone's gonna think you're a police chief

The count of montecato

2019 and 20 advantages are depreciating quickly does your perspective on them change at 75 thousand dollars with low miles

Versus the 150 they sold for when new

the the same

I feel the same way

About them then and now because my argument against them then was that the amg gt was a better version of the fucking same car

And those are 75 grand like if you think you might want a vantage for 75 grand

You probably want an amg gt. Actually. Yes. It's a better driving car and here is way nice. Yeah

The current advantage is rad. Um, and when those are 75 grand, I'll recommend them. Um, no, I recommend them new but, um

Yeah, the the problem is that their biggest competitor has depreciated right alongside them

So, um, and if it's your dream car, it's not a shit box. It's fine, but

They've done a really good job with the vantage between 2019 and now

Yeah, I I think that that generation advantage the one generation ago

Missed on so many points and that the amg gt succeeded on you're basically buying an astin badge

But you're getting a an inferior car in my opinion. Yeah

Um last one and then we'll save the rest for the next show because I can feel my brain slipping. Um

Hotbox the waymo

Scroll down please says

I've been going through my dad's stuff since he passed away and came across some Porsche aftermarket parts catalogs and magazines from the 70s

Is there a market for this stuff? Um, there's that show the lit show

There's a there's a show every year in la called the lit show and it's literally short for literature

And it's all Porsche

Books magazines, but there's also like parts and service manuals and stuff

I mean, I don't know how one other than physically being there would sell things at the lit show

but like

There is a market because people do go to this show and buy stuff

But I would say I don't know he may maybe and I there's an at the end of that

Donation to the lounge

Great thought a lot of people send us stuff lounge ain't that big

Yeah, there's a lot of books in there's too many books and we were having a bigger lounge at the newest the new place

so some of them are in there, but

Please don't send us any more books. I have we have too many coffee tail books or magazines and stuff. We can't do it

One of the shelves is literally bending off the wall

Yeah, I had to we had to take books off of it because of that. Yeah

Um, all right. Thanks everybody. Uh, I hope my brain functioned at a reasonably appropriate level. Um, the uh,

the, uh, um

Yeah, I don't even I'm not gonna keep talking

I'm gonna end this one now because my brain is obviously after 20 fucking hours of traveling not up to it anymore

But I appreciate you all and uh, we'll see you later. Bye

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