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Driver Not Included!
About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds around the evolving landscape of automotive technology, focusing on the rise of driverless cars and the changing perceptions of driving among younger generations. The hosts share personal anecdotes about their first cars and the nostalgia of cruising, contrasting it with the current trend of ride-sharing and autonomous vehicles. They delve into the implications of self-driving technology, including the potential for robotaxis and the challenges of regulation. The conversation highlights the excitement and uncertainty surrounding the future of driving, including the possibility of flying cars.
Topics:
driverless cars
robotaxis
car shows
personal anecdotes
technology advancements
self-driving technology
regulations
future of driving
nostalgia
ride-sharing
Cars:
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet El Camino
Chevrolet Nova
Dodge Omni
Ford Mustang
Ford Pinto
Honda Civic
Volkswagen Beetle
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Dodge Omni
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Chevrolet El Camino
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Ford Pinto
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Chevrolet Corvette
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Chevrolet Nova
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Ford Mustang
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AGBB. Hey, it is a great day for radio show. Hopefully where
you guys are at is a great day for carsh. I know there's lots
of car shows. I'm telling you, guys started popping off. The schedule
is getting deeper and deeper. I'm getting more and more people sending me stuff
saying, hey, can you make it out with this one? Can you
make it out of that one? So we will see how that pans out.
But I'm just glad that the season has come back around right now, if we just get our cars done so we can actually take them out and enjoy him. I mean, you know, Nate's already got his. His
hasn't gone to a car show yet, but you're gonna wash it. I've
been busy, especially. I don't want to bring a stock car to a
show. You know, it's nice and stuff, but you already know what
it looks like, right Like, I want to get a nice little spoiler for it. Maybe maybe some wheels, spicy double, a little bit that
ever gonna happen eventually, No, eventually, No, it was like, no, well, you know, I'm looking all the right wheels as well as you know. It's it's hard to fork over that type of you know
cash, you know, when you can use it for a little bit over eggs. You know, got the money for it. Yeah, you're looking
at other things you could use it for, so little hesitating when Nate bought that car, right, Nate was like, man, I gotta I gonna find me some wheels and I want to im you know, I don't want the junkie spoiler that comes with us. I'm gonna gt a different type of
spoiler and stuff. So he was all hot and heavy, what are we
in five months of this car? Now? Six months of this car?
From five is shit and nothing's happened. Wow, I hadn't been five months.
I send him more like wheels, like selections than he probably looks at.
Guy, He's like, hey, man, this is probably look pretty hot on your car, and I'll set up to him, Hey, these look pretty cool, you know, because I'm always looking for stuff for our projects, you know, the trans am. I think I think we finally
like, hey, guys, I think we finally got some of that solved.
We're gonna find out here probably the next week, so as soon as we get some time to throw that front end back together. But I think
we have some of the problems solve which will move us greatly forward. Because
I told you I got parts laying around I can't be to put on the car because I'm gonna wait for answers and other stuff. So now we can
take all tho parts to start and get him on there. But I'm constantly
looking at like parts for the car. I'm looking at like I haven't figured
out what wheels I want to put on the transam yet I don't, you know, I told you guys have original Keystone classics from the seventies on that thing. So and I like him, but I don't like him enough that
I want to keep him on there. So I think I've I've rounded out
like three different wheels I want to put on the car. We'll figure out
what I end up doing. But like I said, as I'm looking for
stuff, I'm sunning Nathaniel like stuff, or I'm like, hey, check out this, or hey check out that, or these will look pretty cool on your car, or look at it, you know, and he's sometimes I get, yeah, that's kind of fire, is what it'll sent back to me. You like, Eh, that's not really my style. That's
litter. But I'm waiting for, like, it's hard wheels. I always
think of the hardest thing to pick for a car. They really are.
They are especially well all of them kind of look the same, right, there's very like you know, there's small like differences and the pen what you get as well as it's not just you know, wheels, right, you gotta get tires, you know, you know what you get as an alignment stance. You know, there's a whole process of it's not just wheels.
There is and here's the thing for me and not me. I know a
lot of you guys run into this problem too. It's not like I'm looking
at the bottom of the line the cheaper wheels, you know what I mean.
Like the wheels I'm looking at are mid range to higher range wheels.
So right forged three p harder to make the decision because it's not like not to say that you guys do this, but I have done this in the past. I've thrown three thousand dollars out there on a set of wheels and
stuff and then wrote them for maybe six months less than that when you know, I just don't really and I've literally taken them off set on the side and bought another set. That would hurt my soul. Right, So it's
hard, right, So it's hard knowing that, like because like knowing that you had to get like another car that you know uses those specks. You
can sell them off if you could a little bit. It does take a
little bit to sell them off, I'll agree, it takes a little bit of them off. But it's different when you're in the ten thousand dollars range
in wheels, which is kind of like everything I've been looking at is really close in that range is like ten grand. I know it's a little harder.
You said, well some wheels, and I was. I was looking
at the price tag more than I was ever looking at the wheels, the one from the trams Am. Yeah, that's when you really go with like
getting reps first, right, you get the reps so you kind of like them before you get you know, the really pricey ones. I wish I
know it's hard to say, but I wish that, like for like wheels and tires, right, I wish that you could, like there was a place that just had everything where you could just take the car and you could spend a day. I don't care. Maybe it costs a little money or
something like that, but you spend a day and they just put them on and kind of look around. You know, you call the World Wide Web.
You can't have to think to photoshop. Okay, it is. There's
a lot of work to do with photoshop, but it still doesn't give you that exactly like I'm gonna put your hands on it, touch kind of guy.
So many aspects. So I'm just saying, insert your tire ad here,
you know, like it's I like to see it, like when you did the wheels and tires on your civic right, coolest look that car that was I hadn't seen another one had that look like that, and it was cool to say that. I had an order that from the Cowlog too,
which was a little iffy for me absolutely because you know, you can't, like you said, you're not feeling it. So it's no different than the
truck. So I put you know, I told you guys to put wheels
and tires on my truck. What last year I think it was. I
don't think we're a full year into it yet, maybe a little bit less in a year. It could be probably less than a year. As well
as asset. I wasn't really aware of assets, so like trying to get
messed you up? It did? I like the aggression. I wanted aggression,
got it right though it looked right. I really want that wressive offset.
But you know it really, you know, messes things up when you're trying to you know, fit it. You know it is under Nathaniel ordered
an aggressive offset on his wheels, so when he got him on, everything rubbed and then it was trying to stretch everything out, you guys know, roll fender lips and everything, trying to get the tire stretched straightway. And
he pulled the card, grab me a baseball bat because I'm going to try to roll the fender. I didn't do that. I talked about it.
He asked me. He did call me and asked me. He's like,
hey, you think this is where I'm like, let's not do that.
Let's let's just do it the right way. He finally got the fitman were
nothing rubbed, But had he ordered a wheel, it was just a little bit less, it would have fit. It wouldn't have to do anything.
Now that it achieved the exact same look, possibly but not. His car
had a really aggressive look. I said, I see, I'm you know.
You guys know, I'm old Sky. I like the old school Civics.
That's one thing I thought was cool because Nathaniel like the old school Civics.
It's definitely a plan to game one layer down the road. Again.
Like I just I like the look of him. I like him when they's
when they're stanced. They're a cool car. Now, are they the fastest
thing on earth? No? No, they're not. Point you make them
zippy, sure you can with the right modifications, but they just look nice.
It's almost like buying a It's it's the VW Bug of my time, right, That's why. How that's what I think of the Civic. I
think the Civic is like what the VW Bug was for me when I was like in junior high school. Everybody was riding. You know, you're not
really buying it from yeah, Like then everybody I went out had Civic.
So the Civic kind of replaced the VW Bug looks as far as I'm concerned, because I remember when every kid had a VW Buck and then at some point swipt over and every kid had a Civic, you know what I mean.
So it's like it's they run. And if you guys disagree with me,
I don't know, but tell me what you think. But I think
that's really for me. That's was the set was like what a chief car
you can put your kid in, but to it or they could do a lot of modifications to it. The bug was the same way. A lot
of people bought bugs, and I was on the West coast. I don't
think on the East coast here it was as popular, but on the West Coast, Like you went to the school parking lot and there was tons of b W bugs in the school parking lot that were tricked out California style.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, but you know they're laid laid down, had a nice rake to them. Cool look just I still love
them. I still say I'm gonna by a VW bug at some point time.
I want to put like a a turbo kid on it and all kinds of stuff. So when you do lay into its, people are like,
damn, was that a bug that just flew by me? You know what
I mean? I just think that'd be neat And a lot of people aren't
doing that now on the West Coast, you see something. There's some running
around where people have stooped up the motors. You know. The big thing
when I was in high school was putting the Porsche motor in it. That
was like that was big in the Volkswagen. If you had got the Porsche
set up inside of it, then you had something that was pretty zippy.
Be nice to find, like a little like van, like a little bulks They're out there and I've it's not me. I like the bug I like,
I like a sixty six Bug and I like the what is the seventy two or seventy three super Beetle? Those two, I know that's a big
year gap between him, but those two uh ones. I grew up around.
I had friends that had him, had him set up right. I
had a buddy had a super Beetle that had the Porsche what is the inner cools, Porsche motor whatever they used put out to try I remember, somebody will remind me. But then he had the wider dog dish offset wheels on
the back of it, and it was it was sharp, and it got it moved for a bug, I mean it moved. It was cool.
But he also had two fifteen's in the back and that little bitty tiny thing, and that was the thing to do during my time. So that hit
hard as can be. Sitting in a light. It would rattle everything around
it. And it was cool looking, you know what I mean. Like,
I don't know, I liked it. Yeah, I'll tell you guy.
You guys heard me talk about I had plans to do something similar to an omni because we had an omnie. I thought the omnie would look cool
and nobody was really doing one, yet they were doing the dodge omnie, and I thought that'd be kind of cool. Squat down, lower it down
and stuff like that. Never go around and doing it. Not a lot
of people liked dominis. I just thought it was just an odd ball because
the ones with the like the trail like I want to call it, like the call hoar haller on the back of it. No, the one that
type it's round. What's the round car? What's the car that's like just
the two seater and it has like the like a tow truck bed on the back of it. But it's like compact. Are you talking about like an
El Camino? No, I'll have to find it. That's like a do
Omnie kind of is like a Pinto, though it looks like what pinto I mean maybe maybe No, I don't think it looks like a Pindo, but I understand the roundness and stuff like that. Yeah, my mom had one,
and then it was gonna get passed down to me, and it was cool when I was and they didn't have a lot of miles on it.
I was gonna trick it out. It never came to be, but I
had a lot of plans something to do with somebody was really doing one.
I was just like, Okay, there's something different. I wanted something outside
the box. Not that the Omnie was a really cool car, guys,
if you remember the Omnie or anything like that. I just liked it because
it was different, and I was like, oh, that I'd be a cool tind the windows down dark, put a cool stereo system because they had the big hatchback in the back. It was like, put a cool stereosystem
and just look it down and see that. It's like it would just be
something different, just like I liked the Chevy Chavette, right, And I know you guys are like, God, you really like piece of crap cars, don't you. The Chevy Chavette was another car that I thought was cool
that I saw potential of things you could do to a lot of people hadn't done to it. If you needed a cheap car. And I'm talking about
buying a cheap car when you were a kid. These were cars that were
fairly cheap, right, So I was like, you know, you could do something with that. My buddy had some type of Ponnie. I can't
can't remember what it was with Firehawk or something like that. Maybe somebody tell
me, I think that's what. It's a Firehawk that came with a vaight
option or something like that. You just get the National. You should have
just got the National if you really wanted National. Yeah, because they were
outside my price range back then when I was a kid, you know what I mean. Like you got to remember what corvettes back when I was in
high school were selling for seventeen eighteen thousand dollars, which seems like not very much money nowadays, But that was a lot of money considering the fact that you could go buy a brand new car off the lot for three thousand, nine hundred dollars. Try any of the small option cars that were new,
you know, right when you caught them on sale, they were new.
So that was a lot of money. And like I said, all of
us kids are running around with something, like all my friends had something that was different, like you know what I mean, Like I don't think some of us had streamline cars. Like the two Davids that I hung out with
in high school both had Novas. I had a couple of friends that had
Mustangs, you know, old mustangs like sixty six, sixty fives and stuff like that. But then the rest of us, like we all had oddball
cars, like everybody had. Like I told you, guys, you know,
my first car car really was a Supreme bro Ham, you know what I mean, seventy seven bro Ham that somebody had did a motor swap on it, so I had a bigger motor in it, and it was fast, but it was nothing but problems. I thought the car was cool because
it already had like a bigger slick tire on the back of it, and it would smoke tires all day. Along with that was like, my friend,
you're looking at a car of barn. You that's all. It's a
long car color Supreme bro Ham. Look at seventy seven bro Ham. But
I picked it up from my my friend Leanne's parents had it sitting on the side of their house and they thought the engine was blown and you can make that into a nice you could you could make that into a nice tune car.
Right there was a fun car to ride because, like I said, it had the motor was a little bit quicker in it. Like I said,
you can smoke tires all day along in that car. It was fun
to drive. But I picked it up for very cheap, did work out
it up and running, and then we had it for a little while, and my parents hated that car. I think I told you, guys story.
I bought that car and didn'ts any permission. I just brought it home.
It's a coo little car. It was something different and stuff like that.
So was that the car you brought home and it was in the driveway, that was the one I brought home that I didn't tell anybody I bought it. I bought it without my parents know and brought that car home.
Well, had it for a little bit it before you brought it. I
had that's when we still had shop class, guys. So if you guys
remember shot class, that was still in the high schools. I was able
to stash it there at shop class, and then I finally brought it home when I got a lot of things done to it and got up and running.
And I never told anybody I owned it, but I had owned it.
Yeah, that was probably probably not a good idea. I mean,
just as far as the teacher never asked, like any question. No,
Coach Lee was cool man, he was really cool. In fact, there's
when I got done with that car, so what I did a lot of stuff, messed around with it, drove it, and it was time to get rid of it. Just wasn't going in the direction I wanted to.
Uh. The coach bought the car for me because he wanted the motor for
his son's C ten pickup truck. So he bought the whole car for me,
took my motor out and put in his son's C ten pickup truck.
So it worked out. It did well that you know, It worked out
him keeping my secret that the car was there. But yeah, I brought
it home. I brought home one day, and yeah, that was how
my parents figured out I had it, same way I did my go cart.
By the way, I told you guys that story too. I bought
a go car that I didn't have any permission it should never had when I was like what sixth grade? Uh, And I bought it and made payments
on it till it was paid off. That's how things have changed. Like
you couldn't do that nowadays, Like you know, no, when he's letting you make payments or anything like that, like your parents you can have it.
I bought it, made payments on til paid off, and then brought it home and then told my parents I owned it, and that was my boss at the time, putting it back to this pickup truck and helped me bring it home because I was I told you, guys, I worked at a very young age, so yeah, bought His name is Dave Storre, remember the guy, and there's a lot of days. There was a lot
of days back then, but I remember he was a cool guy. But
yeah, he helped me bring it home. And then I was like,
I bought a gokart that goes from you get fast like they got go kart, like about fifty five miles an hour or so. Funny because like each
one of them have a nickname. I remember, I remember when I bought
the davp pocket Rocket. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey when you
bought your pocket yea ye, yeah, that was different and stuff like that.
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back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist. Now back to your
host, Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back. So if you're
wondering why the first part of the show we just kind of rambled on, we were talking about all different types of cars and cars wish to have is because so the car like I'm not saying the market, but just the whole car trend right is starting to really change. And I know we've talked about
this on the show in many different aspects, but it's funny to kind of break it down. If you guys see the title of the show, A
driver not include it. So if you guys saw that Elon Musk announced that
the ROBOTAXI like the whole information and how they plan on moving forward that I think's coming out what August eighth, I think is what it is. So
you know that we've touched on it when we're on the show about all the different stuff that's driverless, right. So there's so many different avenues, there's
so many people that want to be involved in there's so many different companies.
I told you guys, there's like eighty different companies that are out there that you've never even heard of that are in this market. Right. So it's
kind of funny when you start to think about like growing up like in my time and even the kids time stuff, and in the right of passage of driving and what that looked like, and you know, being so excited, like you know, I said, you know, I wanted a car so bad I went and got one without telling anybody, you know what I mean.
And I was happy when I got my life. I mean, no,
it's just it's one of those things like all that right of passage right, like we were talking about during the break, uh, you know, the cruising of the strip and stuff like that. So you know, I
grew up on the West Coast and I grew I told you guys, I was in Vegas. So we used to cruise the Las Vegas strip all the
time. It was just the thing to do. I can't remember how times
I rolled my bike to the boardwalk. But now we got ubers like they
don't even we don't have to do that anymore, right, so you know you I can remember like riding my bike on the sidewalk and waiting and watching the kids go by in cars and waiting to have that right of passes a change over to be able to have that right right like you just wait for that. There's not a lot of that anymore. And even chasing the car,
the chasing the kids in the back of like a pickup truck like time usually be like, you know, eight people in the back of a pickup truck, right, and that was just normal. You used to see all
that stuff. So that ride of passage to move into like cars was a
huge thing. But you look now and that right of passage is a completely
different platform, right, like you know, with self driving cars and stuff like that really coming into play, and the big question of when do we think we're going to get to full level five as far as seeing it on an everyday basis, Nathaniel and I argue about it all the time, but I argue about it and not like argue, you argue, but we have different aspects of what you think because I've watched technology, so you know, I remember having this show, except we had a show ten years now.
Ten years ago. This was just a very simple conversation about even the aspect
of what self driving cars would look like, you know, like, oh, so you know it, can you take your hands off the wheel and keep it in a lane? For you? What was really cool? That
was great technology. You know, you're like, this is the coolest thing
ever, world changing. Right now we're asking like now now we're asking what
where do we see ourselves in the next ten years, right, you know.
And that's the thing. So I don't think it's at ten years Nathaniel,
and I know that if you go and look at anything google it.
Everybody says twenty thirty five is like when the switch is really going to flick on, which is about ten years out. But with the advancement in advancement
over the years has gone so quickly. Let me just look how much I
keep on saying, you guys, look how much AI technology is advanced so quickly in one year. Well, I'm not saying that we're going to be
over, it's going to be less than ten years. Less than ten years
for sure. I'm not saying that the technology won't get there in less than
ten years. I'm saying that I don't think we're going to let go of
control in ten years. I think so. I think like eventually, like
like almost, like I was talking about, like pilots or you know before when uber like uber popped off, nobody really you know, they were doing their thing and then no government stepped downy like, we got to regulate this.
I think regulation will apply somewhat. You know, we still have pilots.
I agree with you. I agree with you because we know that,
uh, there's not a lot of law and regulation and all that kind of stuff set for self driving corrects. You guys know, I found out you
know what I mean. It's a new era still source spot for me,
but it's there's just not enough that is regularly I think, and I said forever. You know, once you figure out the law and all that kind
of stuff, that will change. But it's really the dynamic of passing down
the torch right the car in the use of having a car, or wanting to have the use of car, or have drivers lights to that that dynamic is seriously changed. If you sit down and talk with any teenager nowadays,
they don't really care. Rather they're driving themselves or if they can just get
in something that's it's gonna drive them. They're like, they don't care.
To Uber, it doesn't matter as long as they can get to where they're going. And it's I guess cost effective to be another one. But you're
giving you that price point where you got to figure out what is the right cost right the second. I can tell you that sometimes I think Uber is
a good deal. Sometimes I think it's a horrible deal. Sometimes I think
any of the driving services you know are left same way. Sometimes I think,
oh that's where they're ramped out right, I'm like, it's worth it to take it versus driving times taxis are even a cheaper. Oh, no,
taxis are back. I remember when taxis were under control a little bit.
When Uber and all at first it really taxis are back out of control.
I took a taxi cab recently. I could not believe what it charged
me, really, and I took it because I got off the plane and I couldn't easily walk. But where I came off as was a taxi station,
and the Uber to get an Uber and all that kind of stuff was further away, and I feel like walking across the airport to get to it.
So that was a little bit convenience. But I know that when I
looked at the uber rate, it was like twelve dollars to go where I wanted to go. I jumped on the taxi cab and I got to my
destination. It was thirty six bucks. So that was you know, it's
twice the cost, more than you know, than it was. Well,
unfortunately, I feel like we get to a point where you know, they reel you in so you get, you know, all these incentives. You
know, it's a great deal. We did that time. As time goes
on and then people get used to it, and then the competition kind of fizzles out, and then everybody kind of gets on the same page and starts charging well up more almost like kind of like the streaming services A. Right,
they're super cheap at first, and now they're kind of competing with cable companies. Well, and here we are, so this is where we're at
right this second. When you guys think about it, right, the reason
why it comes up in conversations because he hit on a really good point.
Once we get used to the idea and stuff like that, that's when they start to kind of gig you with with the rates, right. But then
when everybody starts to kind of fall in line, there's a lot more then they have to adjust serrates because there's a lot more competition. And I think
that's what's happening in the driver list car market right this second. So you
know, forever, we've only had really one player, right it was Tesla.
Now you kind of hear a little bit more about a way Mow, which is what apples Apples car, that's a Gootles car, that's what it is. And then you have the Apple car which Apples They did away what
they were killing, ye, but they were doing for a while, right.
So I feel like everybody's kind of like trying to find their niche where they want to go into the market. Do they want to be you know,
the drive they want to you know, handle the car, do they want to handle the technology? They want to handle the algorithms that you know,
deal with. Yeah, I agree with Tesla talking about actually releasing some
of their technology. Let other car companies use to build off of which we
can talking about for years to be a really good idea that the best idea.
They made more money that way can probably make this some more valuable with them actually talk about now doing that I think that's going to advance the car market even quicker because I told you know, like sure La, I told you guys had a driver list car. And I'm gonna say Air quoted and
say it has been ready to hit the streets forever. But they've watched.
However, all the different competition has tried to do the same thing. And
the pushback, you know, because what Nissan partnered with these are partnered with Window right, is not who it is, correct me from I think that's who it is. There's a lot of companies are not partnering together, right,
So if you have it all the different kind of like you have tons and tons of companies, and I used to I have a list. I
think I actually actually had it on my phone somewhere. I had a list.
I should say that was in my phone and so right now, so just to touch up on what he's talking about. So back in last year
of twenty twenty three, quarter two Tesla or Elon Musk actually made a comment and said that they were going to be offering their full self driving technology to other companies. The exact wording that he said was, we are very open
to licensing our FSD software and hardware to other car companies, and then said we're already in discussions with major OEM about using Tesla. That was last year,
a couple of days ago, and I was a couple of days ago.
Somebody made a comment and basically said Tesla is the lead manufacturer. Tesla's
handling as this, and Elon replied and said, they're going to still release this time. I'm gonna tell you, and here's how things have changed for
a little bit. If you go back just to twenty twenty, okay,
basically three and a half years ago, right, that's really where you're at.
And it's only point one of those things. And you got asked,
do we believe that driverless cars will ever be a big, huge thing?
The answer was no, Like ninety three percent of the people they asked were like, no, it's just never going to be. It's never going to
get there. And here in all the obstacles, so you know, the
obstacle was because of law, you know, not be written for it or technology not being enough there to be. Now you move forward to four years,
it's like, is driverless cars where the physically no driver behind the wheel ever going to become a real thing? And people say now maybe, and
I have to always interject and go, what do you talk about? Maybe
we already run them. They already exist, you're just not seeing them.
You have lost and list you have Arizona, think it's Phoenix, Arizona, Las Vegas, Nevada. There's I think one more old place in California.
Our driving there's like over two thousand driverless cars already out there across these cities that are running on a daily basis, right, And so they already exist.
When you say no, it will never happen, you can't say it will never happen. They're already running them in the but there are only twenty,
right because like we have like first state, each environment looks a little different. Those those systems are programmed to those environments. So that's where things
kind offer when you let you know the driving out of you know, back in twenty days, right twenty because it just like you were saying, you know, people were saying, oh, well, maybe not twenty twenty, we didn't have the network that happen. Advancements are advancements are crazy. We've
now been able to alright. So the Tesla network runs on what's called a
neuro net planner. The neurow net planner is basically what builds all of the
roads and all of its calculations reflecting it. And that's what they their full
self driving platform runs on. A lot of them are on that type of
So what do a lot of them run on that type of algorithm? A
lot of them is a neural net Your neural is a lot of links coming to a self learning. Yeah, it's around a lot of learnings. A
lot of these companies are building their own neural networks, but now they're seeing because we've already spent four years on Tesla's network, we can now you just use their network and puts them into other This is the bas why I say it's you know, there's there's names you guys never hearing like that. I
will say that a lot of the manufacturers I think are gonna a little bit smart because it's not smart, it's just it's smoking mirror as far as I'm concerned. So everybody's kind of named. There's there's the systems something different.
Even though we're all talking about the same thing, right, we're all trying to move forward for the same ability, which is basically have a car that drives itself. But instead of you know, everybody's playing, we're like once
you it's funny, you'll hear, well, this system right here is having all kinds of problems development, and I go, it's the same problem everybody else problems like you. But there's a lot of names. Every single manufacturer
is like adapted their own name to it. They're not just calling it like
self driving. They're like, it has a name, and then what's capable
of? Right, it's implications. So hold this hold up, guys,
I came back. I taken Pertceopher want to come back. I'll introduce you
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an idea what the uphill battle that is kind of there, But it isn't uphill battle, it's just when are we going to get there? Hold tight,
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So I was telling you guys before we took commercial break, you know, and I've said it before. There's a lot of names that are out
there, right, they're not household names for systems. And I think the
biggest reason why, and this is just my personal opinion and a lot of articles I've read it kind of allude to the same thing you have, Like every manufacturer and some use the same names, but a lot of manufacturers have their own name for their system. And I think the biggest reason why that
is because it's like some systems get bad names, right, like people like obviously Tesla. I told you guys where if one pops off, you know
they can take credit of instead of you know, someone else, right, So you have manufacturers like so I'll read off. I had to pull up
my phone to kind of give you guys some of them. So you know
you heard me talk about ADOS before, Like ADOS system, TOYLT use ADOS.
I think it super uses ADOS instead of Advanced Driving Assist System thing is what that stands for, pretty sure, but it's using all the different cameras and all that kind of stuff are on the car. The only thing about
that system is is they had to be calibrated quite often. So if you
have things done to your car and stuff that may put off calibration. You
have to take it to someplace that's able to cali calibrate that for it to work correctly. And that's one of the things even now we're dealing with right
this second in the field. If you don't have a car that has it,
you haven't heard it yet. But if you have a car that has
ADOS, somebody should be telling you, even to tell you how advanced the system is. I've told you before. Even if you change the wind show
wipers on your car, sometimes cars have to be recalculated and we'll just change the wind show wipe. It is used as infrared, right, uses the
eye and it uses hold up camera. What does everything that the ADOS uses?
I can't remember everything I should. I think it's what infrared a seat
of using light R rate. I think it uses light R too. I
think that as light R as well. All right, So you have that.
Then you have like a name, like some cars use the name autopilot or full self driving. That's Tesla, right, so, but there's other
ones that use autopilot as well. Then you a prope pilot assist which is
Nissan system. You have driver pilot, which is Mercedes system. Then you
have pilot assists, which is Vovo system. Now they're pretty much I think
Ford has co Pilot has a pilot Pilot. They all run off of like
I was trying to say when we went to a commercial break, they're all running off of neuro networks. And what a neuro network is. It takes
a bunch of different information and creates one decision and then tells that decision to send it to the main system. And that's not that's not a completely it's
AI, but it's not AI. It's just a network. It's neuro that
somebody has built, you know, or the way that has learned learn and they re AI is coming into it. Is we used to have to tell
the neuro network what to do, what was right or what was wrong.
Now AI is making the decision for your It's called Advanced Driver Advanced Driver Assistant system. They run off of a lidar and radar, so radar and like
detecting lidar to be able to commute. They use both at the same time
to communicate to essential data piece. Have you ever seen how it runs in
like real time, like like on a computer screen real time? I have,
yeah, and it's really cool, But I did want to touch up on one other thing for you real quick. Hydro Neet. That's Tesla's neuro
network name. So that's what they call theirs. It's been out since twenty
Funny they called weimo. We were just talking about Google Weaimo. Their network
that they used for their neuro network is called Schaffer Neet. You know,
Schaffer or Schaeffer whatever. I don't know. A Chaffer is a Schaffer.
That one that one actually has Chaffer maybe fort we're going to say that that's actually been running since two thousand and nine. Okay, to much. The
technology's been out there for a long time. Video actually has one too,
really Yeah, and Vidia has end in learning system that was introduced back in video games. They do video games, but they're in video games, but
they're not. They are GPUs to perform more processing video games. That's how
they got games. But they're trying to dive more. They got their start
into computers and video games and high performance. Now they're taking a step further
and getting into AI and big industry tech. I got it. Well,
I think it's funny because we've heard about Sony right right, everybody and everybody associates, everybody shift the video game, right, and everything that's video game related. We hear about them shifting into the car market obviously because they realize
there's money to be made there. I just, well, it's it's a
hand in hand, right, Technology you know goes in the same place.
I mean, really it goes. Yeah, a lot of these I think,
hold on. I think the whole premises of all of it is like
ten years, right. So, like I said, Nathaniel says ten years
before we get that. I think we're gonnat there before ten years. But
how everything has shifted so much? Right? Like like I said, I
can remember like just the passion and want to get behind the wheel of car and drive. And now people's passion are I just want to have a car
that's going to take me where I want to go, and they don't care if they drive or not. I just it's weird for me. And like
I said, I told you guys, I'm a technology guy. I like
technology. But as I get older and I start to look back on my
life as a kid and that ride of passage, I just find it weird that that won't Okay, just imagine this right on outside, but cruising the strip, we all did it Obviously, it's not done nearly as much as it used to be done. Now I've seen it some of the states I've
gone to. It's still active in certain states and I've seen it, but
like around here, it's not done nearly as much as like it was when we were younger, right, But could you imagine if it was and it's just driving less cars in your car and it's doing the driving and you're just socializing, which we laugh about because I tell you, guys, if you go look at some of the cars that have been designed and stuff, they are solely I've told you guys before, are designed for just taking you for one place another. That's why I said. It has like the cow design
and all that kind of stuff, and you just sit in it and you can continue to just chat, and you can leave a living room and go into what looks like a living room and sit down and it drives you where you want to go. So I just it's weird to me, like just
to think about could you imagine that set up in ten years where kids are sitting just sitting like in a rolling couch that you know, like set up that's cruising a strip. I mean, I'm be that old guy with my
really old car. I'm gonna be that. I think technology will be advanced
in ten years, but I still do believe we're going to be sitting here in the next ten years talking about the same thing thing, the next thing.
You know how it's still advancing because technology, it's darn rap music.
It's going to be my generation, man, you know, and our parents, my parents' generation. It was uh you you you kids in that rock
and roll you know what I mean. So you know it's it's it's just
differ before that you and that jobs who knows that. I was kind of
thinking. I was like, you know, maybe maybe it comes back when
flying cars come around. Maybe you know, the pizazz comes around, and
it's something we don't talk about a whole lot, but you guys know, like if you guys have not been following that, flying cars are a real thing. I mean, it's we're sitting here talking about self driving cars.
But I think our next that will be our next thing, right, So I truly believe Nathaniel is right on that we are once we figure out self driving, maybe maybe driving this big like I guess a bitch about everything would be self self flying cars. Right, maybe maybe driving fifty miles isn't exciting
anymore. Maybe maybe we wanted to fly one hundred miles is more exciting.
I like the idea. Okay, when you get to it's self driving,
but they're self flying, I should say self flying driving cars. I do
like the idea and the concepts that I've seen, and there's a lot of mouth there. You guys just have to research this stuff. I like the
concept that instead of like when you try to go to a sporting event or something like that and waiting forever to try to you got to drive there and you get stuck in traffic trying to get in the parking lot. Then you
got to trying to find a parking lot. Then you got to walk in
the parking lot, you know, to get into the building. I like
the concept that they put together where it comes some picture up from like maybe there's little ports just outside your neighborhood, or maybe like a five minute drive and you park and then you get big old parking lot of you get in this self flying thing that takes you to an event and you land right there, You get out, go to the event, and then go back.
You get back on it I love that concept. I mean, and I
can cars, but I like that concept in that and that planes. I
can see that happening. But I do believe that's going to start at a
slow phase. First you're gonna start seeing it and like you're gonna see multiple
cars that are going to be in the same exact neighborhood. And I think
what they're gonna do is they're gonna be like, all right, this group of cars learn this neighborhood, this group of cars learn this neighbor You can be very They're going to be really really quick quick on pushing with putting the system together to events. I give see that would be the biggest Honestly,
you're doing an event here. Once event, Once AI cars makes it standing
stuff airplanes or flying cars or right, they'll be way quicker. And look,
there's so much, there's so many. Like I just realized something.
I just realized, we're gonna now have the discussion about We're gonna have the discussion on flying cars on the different names. Now it's gonna come. We're
gonna call it drone cars airplane cars, because we're gonna have to same discussion we're having right this second is just gonna flip into flying cars at some point in time. You guys. Know, like I feel like I'm like really
old school, and and I don't feel like I'm that old, but when I go back and I look at things, and I'm like, Okay, I can remember like tuning in a carburetor in a car and stuff, and how that's really gone away. You know, I mean, you're just not
doing wrong. I know some of us still do it, but on the
regular nobody's tuning the carburetor yet nobody's nobody's to pull a carburetor off something the other day and I know it needs a rebuild. But I thought of myself
at that point Time'm like, when was the last time I rebuilt a carburetor?
Like it's but that was what I was taught, like when I was in shop class and we're autoshop and stuff like that. You know, that
was like one of the first things they taught you was how to rebuild in a carburet and then how to tune it on a car. Those skills aren't
need anymore. I mean, they kind of are if you still drive around
a little hot rod. But I mean, for the most part, people
thrown away car bradge putting fuel injection, you know, systems, plug and play system in the car and just rolling because it's so much more convenient.
And then you really start feeling you start feeling a little old, you know, like, oh man, so the technology side of things is where really I started to feel my age drums, like was it really a somebody wanted my attention? Did you know? Did I really need that much technology in
such a short period of time? But it seems like we're in a rush
for that, right, We're in a rush to get to the technology technology, technology, technology. And when I look back being a kid looking at
it now, things have drastically changed. I mean just really I can remember.
I'll take you a little bit, just tell you tech. When technology
to me back in the day was like when you had a problem with your body control module and like it had to be all reflashed and reprogrammed like that was like technology, you know what I mean, Like and that now it's like that's people, that's just everyday thing, you know what I mean.
If you have a car store for people that don't know that that's the brain to the car body control. But like I said, or a PCM brain
worth you know. But like I said, when you get to that point
and you realize that that used to be what technology problems were for us, and now we're so far past that. I mean, now you've got to
tear half the car apart to get to like the simplest things. It's overwhelming
when you look at that from an age point and I go, well, I guess I am getting old, you know what I mean. Like,
but it's always been there though a lot of times what we see is just when it gets adopted to the masses, right, So that's always been there for twenty years before we've ever seen it it is. So you guys just
got to remember that. That's really kind of how it plays out. Hey,
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Hey, guys, welcome back. So if you guys been following along
this week, we talked about everything that's you know, driverless cars, right, and like I said, not that it's a topic that everybody always wants to dive into, but it is interesting to see that we're text going, yeah, it's coming, it's coming quickly, like I said, So we'll know market calendars, we're going to know August eighth is when you know Tesla's gonna announce kind of the direction of the robotaxing, how that's going to go.
Like I said, it's not that there isn't a lot of driverless cars, Like I said, like two thousand of them already activated you know here what in thirty six states? Or well, they want to go thirty six
states. They're already in like three states, but they want to move to
like thirty six states. And when that actually happens, I do feel like
they'll be able to put it off very successfully because you've got to think their semi trucks can already do follow mood, you know, without a driver behind it. So it's like I can't technically see that, go check that technically,
Christmas, Yeah, tether can't you just technically tether the robotaxis and tell the taxis slide over? It's probably easy to do if you put like a
geo fence and the car can't leave outside this area and it only has set designations that's going to go to. But that we're beyond that, right.
We are now to the point where we want the car to be able to go wherever I tell it to go to within a certain distance, you know what I mean. So but like I say, though it's used to you
know, it's in a thirty six mile radius and stuff, but it's used to that environment. You know that environment is not going to change for thirty
six miles and stuff. But once you get into an environment, it doesn't
know. That's where the challenge is going to lie. And that's like,
hey, I want to go from you know, Los Angeles to Bakersfield or something like that. You know, I mean that's you know, stop signs
are different, right, different, a little bit different. And I say,
if you guys don't know California, tho, those are some cities in California. You should drive through all of them all the time. I just
think of those because I know the distance between those. So if you want
to do that, I guess it'd be like if you want to drive from where we're at, if you want to go Virginia Beach to Richmond, Now can make the car be able to do that? And if you needed to
get off and go do something that has all the abilities to do that without having to think or whatever. You know. I mean, so transit cars,
like I said, it's the difference that goes we have transfer one car to another car at that point time, just kill the program. If you're
gonna have to do that. Nobody wants to do that. I want to
be able to just get in the car. Can you get out of this
car and go hop in my friend? So like I've reached my distance,
I've reached my I've timed out. Now. That would actually be interesting though,
if it was running out of gas or out of charge and out of instead of it making you go and plug the car in for long distances, if it was like, we have another car meeting, you please get in this car so we can charge this car, and then you got into the next car so it could drive it's three hundred miles for a cross country I would imagine that it wouldn't pick up the passenger if it knew it couldn't complete that trip. Well, I know, I'm talking about like cross country trips.
Like think about you're on you're here in Virginia and you want to go to La right, Well, you would just you a car and it's like, okay, we can get you to here here, but you have to get into this car or you can wait the two hours for the car to charge. Food. Now, I'm gonna say one of the biggest things I've
said from the get go, since they ever talked about having a driverless vehicle is I wanted the option to be able to have that in a car for road trips, Like if I want to take a little nap, I want to know that I can like take a little nap and know the car is not going to crash while I'm sleeping, because like a lot of us do, well, you know, we get off work whatever. Right, So
you get off work at you know, say Friday, and you want to go to say Chicago. Wouldn't it be great if you didn't have to fly
or you'd have to just get in your car and you could drive and you and when you felt like kind of closing your eyes and taking a little bit of a nap, the car continues to drive for you. It's what a
fourteen is supposed to be, fourteen hours, I think from here to Chicago, I've done it a lot less, But don't ask me how. But
I'm just saying, if you could get off work at five o'clock, you already had the car packed up, You're on the road by six thirty, and the car did the driving for you, didn't You didn't have to stay awake, and the car got you to your destination. People would use that
feature. That's that's what I'm looking forward to And that's the reason why I've
been so interesting in that technology. I know it seems maybe not what it
was really designed for, but that's what I would want to use it for.
If I wanted to go to say I want to go to Knoxville for the weekend or something like that. You get off work on a Friday,
you hop in the car, and it drives you in Knoxville, Tennessee.
You know, come Saturday, early morning, you're already there. You know
what I mean. Well, you know that it's a feature. Mercedes or
Lexus or one of the luxury cars came out with that screen in the back that folds down. It's like a flat screen TV that folds down. I
was thinking, I'm like, they are thinking about the future, because you're going to put that screen and then the captain chair is going to spin around and you're gonna just be playing game. You're gonna be playing a card If
you guys, go look, I know you all think that like this is like just oh so far out there and futuristic and stuff. Go look at
some of these cars that they have shown at some of the car shows, you know, at the big like international car shows. They are just people
movers. That's all they are. So yes, they are thinking in that
in that fashion guys of look, I'm just gonna go ahead and build a car where it's comfortable you can sit in. It's just moving people and has
all these different features. I mean I've seen them, like I know that's
even further out, which maybe is a little bit too much, but I've seen someone where they talk about like putting refrigerators in them, all different kinds of stuff. So it just is a people mover. It's just it's hard
convenience now that don't don't get wrong. You're gonna find a lot of cars
out there that are still cars, but you're gonna find ones where the cars you'll see where the seats now like recline and stuff like in like the laid back position because the cars are all drive. There's a lot of that stuff
and it seems very futuristic. But it's funny how every time something seems very
futuristic, right, that comes normal boom, it becomes just normal instantly, Like we never thought we're gonna be I mean, who thought we were gonna talk about jets and vehicles? I mean, like it is like you know
with flying cars. But it is slowly becoming everyday conversation. I can't count
how many times. And maybe it's because we're in this you know, setup
where we get a lot of media stuff thrown at us for us to talk about on the air and stuff. But I get a lot of articles that
are all based around flying cars. I get sent and talk about flying cars
every single day to you guys. Nobody wants to hear about it, but
I could. There's that much information I get sit and talk to you guys
every single day about self driving cars. There's that much information comes out every
single week about those topics. But you can't, you know, nothing really
changed, like you get little things. It's like, so there's really nothing
to talk about because nothing changed the longas when we're talking to just add is because this week there's been a lot of talk about how the whole system is getting ready to be flipped on it on its head and technology technology with self driving cars, and I have been talking about it with you guys here and there for so many years that I won't say I'm excited to see what happens, but it's going to be very interesting to see what happens on how that dynamic changes. One thing I do know for sure, shout out of doubt
that we have I have an address they keep on trying to miss, is we have to have the laws in place. I mean, without those,
this technology never has a huge takeoff. Because so many ninety three percent late
recent poll are still scared of self driving cars. That's going to redesign.
Because I was thinking about this the other day. You know h OV lanes,
you know they yes, they're used to be self driving car lane.
I think that they're going to redesign the HRV lanes into self driving cars.
I don't like HV lane because I used to like it and you could take it. You know they are paying for you got to pay for all of
it it. I think that's rip off. Membody goes, well, you
got pay for the road. I already paid for the road. I paid
for the road when it went in. You took it out of my taxes.
I paid for it. I paid for the road when you put a
toll in, and that toll pays to have that road paid for. After
that, my taxes take care of keeping up with road stuff. The fact
that you keep on finding a way to suck more and more money out of me to pay for things is a hot topic for me. Guys. I
can't stand it. Well. I chuckle when they sorry, go ah,
what No, I'm waiting for when uh you know they're they're doing all these new advancements with charging wise, I'm waiting for someone to come up with we lay power lines down all the time, Rod, Yeah, for real, I mean that's talking about actually a city that just came out with that this week that they are now putting in the power bar into the thing. Because
already running power to the lines, you might as well make the capability where as long as someone's drying over it, they can charge their cars. They
have They have a Tesla now and it's a guided wheels you know how the carts like the old train carts that used to have the wheels that connected the lines on the top right now, think about those on the bottom of the car. They have it where you drive and when it detects it, it
drops four wheels down and locks on. It reminds me O. It reminds
me of odget Arm. Like the old toys that you used to play with,
the box cars, box uh what are they called? You used to
play with them like, uh, I don't know, they're like box trucks or you know, they're like takas. No, they you know, they
go around really fast. And slot car slot cars kind of like slot cars.
Yeah, wrote with them. See that's always things are changing, guys.
But like a slot car like situation of when you're charging your car, I think you could do that. I get it, trust me. But
here's the thing. So in that kind of situation, you couldn't have something
dropped down the slot because if you need to change lanes and the hooks down in the slot and it had to pull it up on what's wireless you know point so you don't have to. But they've been talking this. This has
been going on way before I ever started talking about, you know, self driving cars and all that kind of stuff. People are like, you know,
when you do electric cars, why can't they charge themselves while they drive down the road. I mean this this has probably been a conversation for twenty
years easy and I'm like, well, maybe we'll get to that technology.
It was like I believe there was was it like University of like Columbia or something, one of the big universities like got a grant or something. To
build a stretch of road to start development technology. And I want to say
that had to be twenty years ago. Really, that's how long ago was
it came? And look it up and see who got what? What?
Who got? He's showing me changing So there is a charge, Liane,
who was what university? Was it though? That got the grant? I
say, it's gonna be like twenty is it? You can do it like
an easy pass, you know, saying everytime this one just you know, hits the road and they start charging you, just charging like a little easy pass. It is. But once again it's it's I hate the money factor.
Me. Look, I'm stingy with money. I guess that's just what
it is. But I I get upset when university okay when was it that
was back in Uh, I'm gonna be on the block on that. No,
it doesn't get me. I don't. I can't. I wonder if
that's what I'm talking about. I know hopefully that like so that that conversation
that I literally had this conversation with somebody like twenty years ago about self charging route and I'm like, hey, that's a great idea, and think about it. Electric cars weren't even like huge twenty years ago. I mean they
were around, but they were not like what they are now, right.
But I was instead of had to plug it in charge, I'm like, why can't they just charge on the road and stuff like that. And I
found out that there was a university like so that had got a grant to build road or something like that, and I was like, that's awesome.
Technology is never going to go away, guys. I mean everything advanced.
I mean, come on now I talk about I go back in age and I tell you, guys, you know, I remember when we first put the very first Apple computer in the school. I remember that, like that
was a huge thing. I mean they might as well like did a parade
and stuff for it. I mean that's just how big it was to have
one. And now look where we are now with technology. It's going to
continue to advance, but regulation and law is going to be the deciding factor, the deciding factor how quick we move forward. Like I said, right
the second, there's not a lot of law government, not enough in all the states to govern it to just mask throw these cars out there. I
believe we have the ability. I believe the technology is definitely there, but
we got to go over those. Well, the quicker they do put laws
in place, The quicker people do start, you know, putting businesses up.
You know, if people are you know, don't want me too scared about putting money in that, you know they're going to lose if it doesn't go that way. They actually already already did it in Michigan. They actually
did a fourteen mile stretch of a road in Michigan last year and back in to tell you how much it charges. Why you guys, put me on
the spot, Like, that's just my point. Like, there's all this
stuff going on, people trying to figure things out. They're going on behind
the scenes that aren't daily conversations in your household. That's what makes it a
little bit interesting for us to talk about. That's why we're here. That's
how this show came about because just a lot of stuff that was throwing my way within like the last week or so, I thought it was interesting.
Guys. I can't believe that's the end of our show already. It has
gone by very fast. Make sure you guys unplugged, spend some time with
your kids. It is Saturday Sundays right around the corner. I would tell
you hide cell phones and enjoy time with your kids. You guys, got
anything before we get out of here, enjoy a weekend, have a good one, y'all. All right, guys, you guys have a great weekend.
And always, if you didn't catch the show, you can go back and catch all the different episodes and all the different podcast platforms and catch us at any of the car shows are coming up. You guys are gonna want
to get online and check out all the different car shows for the season in our area and in your area as well. We're gonna go get out of
here. Talk to you guys soon.
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