Driving the Valkyrie was Crazy! Ferrari and GM Partnering? Lamborghini Says NO to EV

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hello and welcome to this car pod I'm

Ken I'm and let's get into it the news

starting with Jean Jennings Jean

Jennings passed away a couple days ago

uh Jee Jennings had enormous roles at

Auto men auto magazines throughout the

1980s 90s and specifically at Automobile

Magazine where she was the editor-in

chief for many years and she was like a

legend in the automotive journalism

space and so everybody's kind of paying

contribute to her I have a jean Jennings

story that I would like to share I jean

Jennings is responsible for a lot of the

beginnings of my illustrious career in

2009 I car spotted that was like my

thing9 and 2024 in to this day but I

sent a letter to Automobile Magazine in

2009 telling them hey I do this car

spotting thing maybe this is something

you want to write an article about and I

only sent it to automobile because Jean

jenings had the foresight of making

automobile more of a lifestyle mag than

like a instrumented test specific you

know things magazine which obviously now

they're all going in that direction and

uh she called

me uh she was I was 21 and she called me

and I still remember I for some reason I

was in New York City I was in Central

Park and I was the winter and I got her

call and she was like yeah we this

sounds fun and we'll send a a writer and

and a photographer to to cover it and

we'll do an article about it and I was

like oh my God I'm going to be an

automobile was the coolest thing in the

world I mean the magazines are not as

big of a deal now but they really were I

mean that was the cool for a 21y old kid

who grew up reading every car magazine

coolest thing in the world and I'm

talking to Jean Jennings right so they

did and and I was featured in the July

2009 issue of Automobile Magazine for

car spotting and in fact it was the

cover it was one of the cover stores wow

and I have like 50 copies of it still

and there's pictures of me in the

magazine and like you know driving

around Atlanta taking pictures of

Lamborghinis so that magazine was

purchased by a guy who then later kind

of became my mentor and started me off

in car journalism and I kind of can

trace all that back to the that article

um years later I bumped into jeene

janny's Detroit Auto Show and I said to

her hey I don't know if you remember me

but this was the then I told her the

story and she didn't remember it was

years before but she was like oh I'm so

glad we did that and that's so wonderful

and she was very nice to me and so I

only met her twice but she had a huge

direct relationship on you know where I

am today in the beginnings of my career

that's such a cool Butterfly Effect

story that's really neat yeah right it's

like minor interactions but like a

pretty big actual here we are yeah here

we are how cool jeene Jennings thank you

I think in a lot of ways for a lot of

people of Our Generation she created the

like car journalist role that I think we

all at some point growing up wanted to

be we want to be that because of and she

was insane and and one of the cool I

mean in a great way because Automobile

Magazine used to do these cool test I'll

never forget when she did coast to coast

in a Bugatti veyon that was the that was

the um the front cover of the magazine

well the coast turned out to be the east

coast of Florida to the West Coast of

Florida and she did it with Hurley

Haywood I think if I remember I can't I

can't this is years ago um but they

would do weird things like that and as a

result you know of the four magazines

Road and track car and driver motoron

and then automobile I always preferred

automobile I thought they just had the

coolest content the coolest like

lifestyle weird storytelling kind of

stuff um and they employed Ezra dyer for

a while of the greatest writers and I

just thought it was the best and and

she's hugely responsible for that but

personally also responsible for real

success in my life Jee

Jennings I love it that's what a great

story it is it's an interesting story I

think about it a lot indeed uh uh next

news story today C GT also something you

think a lot about time think about it

all the time in fact I sent my my C GT

still at the my dealership getting

serviced and I sent them like this angry

text like get me the car back and I

think it came from because I watched the

lap time yeah like want to drive this

thing I got a laugh of my own

to C GT lap time so here's the deal

Porsche developed a new tire for the C

GT we're getting the Carl's car the C

GTs are all being recalled right now for

suspension componentry and Porsche is

putting on new tires because tires have

kind of always been one of the stories

of this car the tires are aging out the

car is dangerous with the old tires so

they say so Porsche is giving everybody

new tires now porsa specifically

developed a new tire for the qu GT a new

type of Michelin Pilot Sport cup two

tire and the car with the new tires went

around nurburg ring and did

71269 hundreds thousand millionths

nobody knows or cares the result of this

the car now this is just a tire change

yep Sport Auto did this test is a the

German publication they beat their

previous time with the original tires

set back when the car was new by 20

seconds just with tires and and this is

the in my opinion the really important

one this faster than the factory 918

spider lap time around n how faster than

the factory CR GT lap time pora I don't

think did one but all of the cre GT lap

times were between 18 and 20 seconds

slower than what the current 16 20

second SL so Just Tires now I have also

upgraded my suspension and the general

feeling in the C GT Community is that

you have to upgrade your suspension

everyone who drives the car has done it

and if they upgraded the suspension I

can't imagine how many more seconds it

would pull off you start to wonder if it

would be around that seven minute Mark

which is where some really serious cars

are but regardless it's faster than 918

spider proving something we've all

already known it's better than 918

spider but this this opens in my opinion

the more interest I mean it's a very

interesting thing for you specifically

with since you own one but I think it

opens the door for more tests of older

cars with modern rubber because Tire

technology has changed a lot since I

mean even in the last 20 years so I

agree I am kind of curious I would argue

that because this car had these

specially developed nobody there is

modern rubers available for old cars but

R developed this tire and is now

mandating that people put the tire on

the car I would argue two things number

one this is the how fast the car is

around nurburg bring because that's the

factory tire and providing it to every

owner and number two okay I'll I'll see

what a Ferrari F50 does on Modern rubber

but that's not a man like I we can do

all sorts of modifications but this is a

factory thing I don't really think tires

are a mod that's I don't consider you

want slicks you want to throw start

throwing slicks on cars and going around

Nur ring then you got yourself a problem

slicks do become different that's a

different story like somebody that owns

a c GT yeah wants it to stay there and

you know maybe they refresh the tires

for the 918 and give it specific tires

maybe they should they won't I bet

because that's automatic hybrid stuff

and this is real are are we talking

about this on the podcast because you

will sell it as soon as you get it back

from service now now that there's more

height I can't wait to drive it again

especially on the new tires what time do

you think you could do

uh

person this was a Porsche test driver by

the way who did this at 71269 it's an

amazing lap to watch by the way if you

haven't gone think I could do what do

you

7:14 I think I would do 10 minutes I

watched the lap I watched the lap the

whole thing how many times um two things

really hit me about this lab yeah number

one he is always either Full Throttle or

full breaks without exception that is

how you drive or yeah it's easier said

than done when you're driving a somebody

else's million dollar car he is always

full throttle or for breaks without

exception very interesting to watch he

just had no fear right well that's the

thing about race car drivers they don't

that's why they get paid the big BS to

do it if they stuff it they stuff it but

like we're gonna we're gonna do this yep

yep commitment and that hit me watching

the lap and also it's kind of funny

because like this is just for sport you

know like he it's not it's not there's

no professional aspect but he just went

for it it was also very interesting if

you watch the lap about 655 into the lap

it's a 712 lap he almost loses it and

that is interesting to me because nurur

ring is incredibly long you got to if

you want to drive and set a real time

you got to be chill with the fact that

at 655 after all the work you've done

you might lose it Y and you have to

drive in a way that that might be

possible like you can't be like oh I've

done six and a half amazing minutes so

I'm just going to chill the last minute

which is what you'd want to do mentally

you got to take every minute of this

track as like real and I'm watching it

like I can't believe he hits 180 mph 300

km and on the Slowdown from that he

almost loses it as he's downshifting the

car gets I mean I I'm sure he was in

control but I would have lost it but and

and you can tell he's clearly the car is

moving a little you know over seven

minutes of pure concentration you're not

in a normal shorter track you're seven

minutes you're repeating a lap many many

times here you're something new yeah for

full seven minutes yeah and I have to

it's having watched it also like his

like his shift points are so perfect

it's like he knew it's like he had a

list his mind just remembered exactly

what number gear he had to be and it was

just like it's just amazing what

remember this is without rev matching

this is without pdk this is real driving

this adds another element to what a 918

spider drive would be where you can

probably leave it an automatic they

probably shift but even then as opposed

to clut actually moving your leg I mean

it's real I know no it's it's very

impressive that's that's real race car

it's real racecraft it really is it

really is that you're racing the clock

you're racing the clock but it's it

really was a master class in like how

you have to do this it's been a while

since I've watched a full nurur ring lap

in car it is quite something well I

think you have the perspective of having

driven one and you own one and it's like

you can imagine more of what it's like

than watching a Pagani whatever go

around the nonetheless like it's I'm I'm

sitting there like wow this is what a

professional this is the difference

between me and a professional and it

ain't a small difference like it is real

and I drive my car hard and I do great

downshifts it's taken a long time to

figure it out but but not like that he's

on a and and I can't he's driving the

car so hard it's almost like he's had

years of experience in it but you

presume he hasn't he probably just

showed up and did a couple of laps

that's the thing that's why they're

professional this is 15 seconds slower

than the Mustang GTD we were talking

about a week or two ago which is the

fastest American car evering and is

meant for that purpose way this is 20

years old should point out also this is

the second fastest manual transmission

car ever to go the nerur r ACR Viper ah

which remember had Tire failure on the

third lap they had to bail but hey man

no tire failure here imagine how scary

that is to do if this car which was

designed for this purpose like the Viper

is a sports car but like you know it's a

hand it's probably a bigger handful that

would be an interesting lap to watch on

the inside shows how just amazing

amazing all around amazing that they did

it and I truly Wonder with good

suspension at that point obviously

you're going away from my whole claim

about it's manufacturer provided tires

but I do Wonder like where it could go

but then you start wondering okay well

where could F50 go where could McLaren

F1 go where could F40 go if you were

willing to change out some where some

wearables like Su to be honest with you

a lot of cars a a lot a huge list even

beyond the super cars like what does an

E46 M3 do with cup tw's on it like it

makes you wonder though it kind of

neutralizes some of all these great like

we oh 918 spider is so much faster well

well only because some there's some

modernized stuff that actually you could

fix pretty easily and then it's like

okay well they're the same fast wouldn't

you rather have the one with the V10 and

the manual yes you know which car is not

faster Theos yeah yeah there's not much

fix in that wonder if anybody's ever

done a TI lap oh man if if it made it

which is a big and they didn't like

seven minutes of like hard

driving I mean well seven minutes of be

generous it's going to be like eight and

a half yeah exactly all right give us

the next that's the best news story of

the week the month the year give us the

next news story and Nissan there have

been a lot of reports that they are

talking about a merger or other

partnership they're kind of vague about

this they really started the talks they

should apparently be uh entering into a

memorandum of understanding this week

next week to really begin the merger

talks crazy we talked a while ago about

how Nissan had per some reports a year

or so of being around before they go

bankrupt yeah this is their solution

hopefully for them it would create the

third largest manufacturer uh behind

Volkswagen group and Toyota group um it

would also include Mitsubishi because

Nissan owns like 25 24% Mitsubishi it's

interesting it's kind of inevitable like

there's got to be some consolidation

there's a lot of Manufacturers there's a

lot of pressure from Tesla and other

startup Brands and Chinese Brands

certainly that have seemingly unlimited

development capital and protectionist

protectionist so you gotta it's not that

surprising that auto that they will

consolidate as FCA did by the way as

looks like group we were talking last

week about how there's too many Brands

we're trying to figure out Romeo and

Maserati go here's a good example of if

some of these companies want to survive

it's not just Brands it's manufacturers

some of these companies want to survive

this is this kind of stuff's going to be

inevitable I noticed Nissan stock price

is up 23% yesterday Hond was down 5%

tells you a lot not Fe as right that's

and it's exactly what I think what does

Honda have to game scale just pure scale

yeah I think it's just scale I do think

it's interesting that Nissan is going

down this road after the Renault thing

which they did and then fought so hard

against and tried to get out of it and

then did successfully get out of it now

they're heading back Choice well clearly

right like they just don't have a choice

but to find somewh to be acquired sell a

lot of you would have to assume this

would be tremendously advantageous for

Honda financially otherwise they

wouldn't consider it they're probably in

much better shape I'd be a little

surprised if these merger talks end up

with anything oh I don't know if they're

if they're announcing it or or leaking

it but it's become very widespread was

the front page of L stre Journal

yesterday pretty strategic then then you

got to assume that there are more I'd be

a little surpris I mean Honda very much

wants and has already been partnered

with Nissan on EV technology because

Honda has very little of their own

that's probably their Hope from some of

that scale hope some of that but it is

interesting to see how far some of these

Legacy automakers have are finding

themselves behind an EVS Toyota claims

they've done it intentionally but China

has very quickly within three years gone

from like they are buying Western cars

they're buying you know man gas powered

cars to like all EVS all Chinese and

they have the benefit of the

protectionist Chinese government these

guys if you lose the Chinese market

you're in you're in a and they have and

will they have you're in a really tough

shape you got to figure out something

else and it's not just Chinese market

here in the US we don't see Chinese cars

except for Chinese Volos uh but outside

of that you do we we were looking at

Mexican market cars that were in San

Diego yesterday and there were a lot of

Chinese cars so every other Market

outside of the US the Chinese man have

and they're scared especially because

the Chinese government is providing them

with enormous incentives and benefits to

be successful and these old guys not

only are they not getting that but

they're behind in their technology it's

an interesting situation merger is not

easy merger not easy to take forever in

fact I sit here and wonder is that is it

really beneficial to get a larger less

Dynamic company like hasn't Tesla's

success been largely predicated on the

fact that they're like spelt and quick

and can make quick changes and do stuff

and here we want to combine these two

like giant dinosaur company and yeah

like what do you what do you do do you

keep the Nissan brand and then Infinity

brand and then the dson sub brand and

then Mitsubishi because that exists in

other markets like what do you do with

that merger I think you want to do a lot

of Technology sharing kind of like Stan

has done sucess battery development and

I me it's got to be all EVS it's got to

be just focus all on EVS it'll be

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to the lambo I don't know what that is

Lambo yes so Lamborghini has announced

unsurprisingly that they are pushing

back their EV production till 2029 now

they debuted a car their their EV

concept that's supposed to come out in

2028 however they're like yeah maybe not

when do you think he'll actually come

this is when I think Lamborghini this is

precisely what I think something that's

spit in flames and looks nuts spitting

flames and a tunnel an EV is just

antithetical to everything they stand

for they you want noise and passion and

you want it to have like machine guns

that come out of the hood like it's ins

you could do it in an new and then you

can still have fire I got to tell you

not exciting you supportive of EVS this

news story I'm just like hell yeah hell

yeah Lamborghini like yep you know I was

ready to kind of start figuring out how

to make the transition and all that all

these companies were doing it it's

they're all pushing back and I think

that's probably for the better for the

consumer and and by the way I'm

referring specifically to high

performance sports car exotic yes I

think that I'm driving this MC V right

now that car is great and it's better

than the gas one and for how most people

use it they should get an electric one

right right totally that I when I want a

sports car I want an experience and an

engine is important to that and so it's

not a surprise that they're doing this

but it is notable I mean that's a big

sports car manufa an important sports

car manufacturer that continues to grow

in importance saying no these companies

have to be looking at the the pen and

finina Batista and the rimc NAA which

have not been selling and and which have

been getting slaughtered on the used

Market plus they have to be looking at

cars like the sf90 where they're getting

slaughtered on the used Market whereas

four five eight speciales are double

they got to be looking at that and

saying okay these it's not just a couple

of enthusiasts the market is is speaking

definitely and you know Monte ront said

that himself like that just people just

don't want the electric stuff for their

sports cars if you're going to spend

that kind of money to have an experience

but I agree daily stuff eeve no problem

no problem whatever who cares traffic is

traffic whether traffic is traffic right

like we'd rather plug it in because then

it doesn't Emit and it doesn't cost

money but like this

do do you think that once they

eventually go Eevee the like exhaust

manufacturers like gani and F5 will make

just like flamethrowers for the

back they're will be exhaust they got to

do something D I gotta be honest with

you the the push backs on timeline make

me wonder when they will go EV like

we're talking 29 now okay that's five

years I'm only thinking about this from

a self-interested perspective okay I'll

be 41 42 I mean can we make this last

until I'm out of I'm out of the

situation you know what I mean you just

got to get another get another 50 60

years in their total and you're you're

good I'm good right y not not unlikely

yeah you do wonder what the exhaust

manufacturers will do but you also

wonder if they'll never have to face it

I be shocked sincerely mean that I for

sports yeah I I think we'll see it be

it's this will be an interesting thing

to think back on 20 years from now but I

am I am curious yeah 20 years from now

it'll be settle and it'll be like I

wonder and I'm curious we'll know the

direction that's what's so exciting

about right now because you don't really

know which

go so I don't know we'll see but me I'm

hoping that uh V12 that spit Flames stay

around now

the John taryan the John tamaran is that

that's a plug-in hybrid yes VA I believe

that's right yes VA okay I mean it's not

as bad as it's not it's not a V10 like H

all that really matters I agree I think

that all that really matters with that

is that you have the sound in some

capacity and you have that excitement I

agree generally although we have sf90

values kind our showing me at least that

that there is less of an interest in on

the used Market there's less of an

interest in the plugin stuff meanwhile

the the the big engine cars still seem

to be is doing okay what's doing

okay RTO is doing tremendously well

which I assume is hybrid in some I can't

believe the number they've delivered but

I do think that getting big money I

think the Ferrar the sf90 was a big

concern because Ferrari really shot

themselves in the foot with how they did

not support the law Ferrari at our own

Ferrari de in San Diego there are three

of them in for service I suspect all for

$300,000 batteries that doesn't support

P1 there's battery I don't know how much

I'm allowed to disclose but maybe Felipe

could take it from here yeah I really

carefully watched the P1 for um you had

a great you had a as Mar Valkyrie review

that came out this week you had a great

line in that about how much of more of

an experience it is than the P Batista

that you drove a few weeks ago yeah it's

notable yeah it's an experience even

just watching it it's like I would it's

just like yeah well especially all the

camera vies it's I was ason at the to

that video um people were really into it

and I think that is sort of gives you

eyesight into how people feel about

crazy gas powerered hyper superar type

things in general like they still that's

still what gets emotion going for people

I would rather have I've said many times

I'd rather have a slow car that makes me

feel like I'm going fast than an

actually fast car I think about 993s all

the time it's just the feel of it is

great and Porche is like well pdk I

don't that's why Ken wants a Viper yeah

yeah he feel

is a field car all right give us the

next news story I'm so happy for

Lamborghini right and the rest of the

world ah yeah so Ferrari has announced

that they are going to be the engine

supplier for the Cadillac Formula 1 team

in 2026 now the interesting thing about

that announcement is that Cadillac has

not been approved by the FIA to compete

in Formula 1 in 2026 not yet they're

still in the process they bought the

team like what does that mean you have

to go through it's a very arduous

process to go through approval from the

faia to make sure you have the

facilities to produce such a car that

can a whole bunch of other stuff and it

gets very political as you can imagine

can I ask a lot of questions my

assumption okay I see that I don't know

anything about Formula One I see the car

okay on the on the on the on the track

they call they call it a track well some

are tracks some are Street circuits but

we'll move on they the car says Aston

Martin my assumption is that Aston

Martin makes the body the engine the

steering wheel not always so there are a

number of Manufacturers Ferrari

Mercedes-Benz come to mind immediately

that Supply engines to other teams so

you can buy an engine and a gearbox

which is what Ferrari says they're going

to supply from another manufacturer and

put it in your own car now it not is it

not antithetical to the whole per like

Cadillac is going to compete like

carrying the torch for America in

Formula 1 accept the entire power train

like you know what I mean like I I want

Cadillac to have a Cadillac I want a

Blackwing V8 and I don't know what the

rules are well that won't happen but as

much as I wish that would happen that

will not what so like I don't understand

I what why wants to be in the F1 so

badly that they had going to have to

engine built by another manufacturer I

mean Red Bulls used a number of Honda

they then bought Honda's engines and

build them in house I mean this has

happened with a lot of Manufacturers I

know but it's annoying to me I wanted

Cadillac to be ground up I wanted Mario

andred and their wening on the engines

himself I wanted Bob Lutz or his ghost

I'm not sure to be Building engines in

Detroit the reality of that is that is

incredibly expensive and Jim has com and

said they will make a form one engine

they will get there but to get off the

ground and get things moving has agreed

to why just wait to launch till you've

done it you know what this is because if

they want to get in the sport now is the

time to capitalize it's very popular in

America to be in Formula 1 this is an

American a real American manufacturer we

had hos F1 which ties to Jee hos who

does a lot of racing in America but this

is a real this is GM do you think that

GM and Mary bar is worried that Cadillac

will have closed as a brand by the time

they actually start developing cac's

real dude Cadillac's real they got the

they got xt6 and the vtic uh it's visti

I think um okay so they're going to go

racing C when is this going to happen 26

they're saying 2026 yeah and Ferrari has

made it very clear that it is contingent

on catalog being approved to be in the

sport but yeah 2026 is when we should

see that on the G this is the Honda

prologue of Formula 1 it is they they

know they're going to do better things

later but they're just getting started

hey man you got to start somewhere you

got to start somewhere and looks like

that I'm super into it who's going to

sponsor this thing can I you if you have

enough money to do it I suppose cost to

like have like a decal on like right

there you know I mean well in highly

visible spots on television a ton but

there are spots on a Formula One car

that are a lot less expensive than you

might think yeah um but none nonetheless

what can I get for eight

grand something really small it would be

great to have like a tiny U or tiny

noodle I have decided that if not a

Formula 1 fan never been a formula one

fan have decided that I am going to

cheer on Cadillac and formula I'm going

to cheer on the American brand if I got

you to watch Formula 1 for even one

season I would be so happy well now now

it's relevant to me you know before it

was a bunch of Europeans out there doing

stuff I don't know what there was going

on 2026 is a big deal next year because

there's a huge regulation change that

comes that year so it will shake shake

up the grid and we'll see what's going

to you know what they should do for

regulations have no regulations that's

the race series that I would fard well

the problem is then they have self

adjusting suspension and the car kind of

drives if that if there were no

regulations they probably would if

manufacturers want to get rid of drivers

all together and let the cars drive

themselves well that seems not fun I

would I would watch precisely that they

tried this like recently with with like

AI driven from it was a disaster I don't

even think the cars completed a lap I

don't remember exactly what circuit it

was at but they attempted this and it

was fun A I mean they could do it I no

doubt it's a single track but like

what's the fun in that fellow will have

this figured out within a couple of days

I've said many times like I I've root

you root for the driver and the team

like that's what you want to see when at

that point just a track in the ground

and just have it follow that like a

whole thing be virtual have the whole

thing be virtual why even run the race

well they do that they do and that is

the most boring thing in the world to

watch but yeah they do computer game

racing yeah they do Esports like for for

like not for form one at any time G in

theory we will have a brief story so

maxaan was taking part they did like a

version of that for Lal for 24 hours

you're going to drive digitally for Max

veren who just sits and does this all

day that he just loves simulators took

part in it but they had so many like

glitches where and when the system would

glitch it would send you back to the

pits so he'd be like around La and then

all of a sudden be in the pits and he'd

like guys eventually he got so fed up

with it he was like I'm done that's

enough I've had enough of it he was like

10 hours into it he was like I'm

finished this is ridiculous and I'm done

the wild stuff all right let's move on

to talking about cars we got to talk

about cars now we generally talk about

cars on the podcast but for some reason

there's a called Talk cars we talk about

cars I want to talk about the first

thing I want to talk about I didn't send

you the picture but I can describe it I

damaged a press car yesterday no for the

first time not the first time I've done

this many times no I've actually only

done it three or four times and been

accused of it a few other times and then

been ACC I don't even want to get into

the McLaren incident been accused of it

a few other times um but what you do hit

a mailbox a house hit a wall I lightly

curbed the wheel on a my box now this is

the biggest I've never crashed a press

car I've never damage press card never

hit anyone with the Press never hit

anything with the Press C never been an

accident any never seriously damaged the

Press never any real damage okay uh but

I've curbed two or three wheels and then

I scraped the I scratched the roof of a

Subaru BRZ once uh and that's like it

that's like I had like there was like

something I had on it and I guess I

didn't lift it up I like pulled it off

and it was it I was astonished that it

scratched but we can have a discussion

about Subaru pain another time but

regardless the the big issue here is

that the the Maybach was supposed to

come to me six weeks ago but the wheel

was damaged when the car was in transit

to me by the Press car company are you

kidding and so it and and then they had

to order the wheel took him six weeks

for the wheel to come and then I damaged

the wheel again on the last day I had it

while I was parking it just for the

Press car people to be in the spot for

them to I mean how how noticeably well

the black wheels and so it's like

scratched silver ah got a Sharpie that

particular car I think I think they'll

just paint it like the wheel wasn't so

Dam like it wasn't any real but I'm very

damaging press car is very annoying to

other journalists I'm told do it and

when I worked at Porsche we heard some

stories I our PR team told us there was

a journalist who rolled a Cayenne Turbo

at Cayenne launch oh man I'm stunned as

just one person I have never had any of

that stuff happen I've never been in a

real accident but scratch the wheel oh

hurt I'm very sorry right what are the

other cars you scratched the wheels Stu

uh a Ferrari gtc4 luo a long time 10

years ago probably um I can't remember

little stuff one time noodle jump into a

BMW I had and like and like ruffled a a

leather center console cover I didn't it

wasn't inviting him in I had the door

open and he jumped in and yep he's done

that little he jumped into my BMW as a

matter of fact the Press car companies

assume this is going to happen like in

the Press cars andl me they they find a

new driver basically every week and the

goal is to drive them hard and drive

them a lot uh but I still feel terrible

when I do it because I never do it I

will say the number of times that has

been damaged in transit to you still out

numbers you Dam frequently will get a

call being like we were going to deliver

this today and unfortunately we had an

accident scratched a wheel it broke down

somebody else crashed it yeah that

happens not infrequently the McLaren

thing that happened was I got a call the

McLaren something or other I don't

remember I care came to me for a day I

drove it to The Office filmed the video

drove it home I don't other journalists

when they get a McLaren they like spend

the whole day you know that this is like

their life for that day they call their

friends they get them for me it's I got

other cars like this I don't really care

and I'm not big mclaran guy drove to the

office drove it home seven miles right

and uh I get a call yeah the underside

is scraped I'm like I'll be honest with

you I have these cars personally and I

drove that thing seven miles I didn't

scrape the other side you could blame

whoever you want but that wasn't me and

I don't know what happened I I just

didn't accept it I just was like

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your to cars yeah um can we talk about

more about the valkyrie I watched that

video last night at home sitting on the

couch you want to talk about the V

watched watch watch one he will watch my

videos if it's like an electric minivan

yeah this is the only super car one that

I've I haven't watched that one yet I

saw the car here this is the only one

that I've watched in a long time but

like the I was told ahead of time we're

trying to figure out what to do with the

camera for the the endar and the audio

and I'm glad we left it because it like

un focuses and refocuses based on

vibration how was that experience you

sent us and our friend group some photos

while you were filming it and it's very

clear that like I feel like the video

didn't capture how insane that is people

I thought would make fun of me and maybe

they did I don't really read the

comments but people I thought would make

fun of me for comparing it to a race car

at the highest level I think I said that

or I did in the voice over that we were

gonna put over the audio because you

couldn't hear it like driving a Formula

One car because it's like you've never

driven you would you know I mean I can't

be much crazier than that we were going

12,000 RPM everything was shaking you

couldn't hear a thing uh it was it was

absolute visceral Insanity in your mind

I got out of that car and I was like

panting I

was you know like that was it was crazy

um totally totally unbelievable

experience really really really really

insane and we're driving that down

Newport Coast there yeah and a guy in

like a C63 sees and is like Flipping Out

imagine you're just cruising I'd lose it

that's what you hope to see driving no

plates for just like seven minutes you

know and this like yeah like imagine we

would have oh I would have freaked

totally even he might have turns out for

sure I was surprised at the response I'm

still getting text mess with people I

can't believe that video video it's so

amazing it was cool I didn't think that

people were so excited about that car as

they are nobody knows like they exist

they're in The Ether but like nobody

knows what it's like no yeah um where

does it can the I have an important

question consumer question the top can

be removed right yeah we didn't do it

can it be stowed anywhere uh I can't

imagine because there's no storage

really I look to your videos for answers

to questions such as this we were

running up on running up on daylight I I

I did everything if you I'm sure you

watch the the drive is cool that's what

everybody's been talking about the quk

segment I did everything I'd like to see

other people for where the roof panels

go you know what I also did which is

really annoying um in order to film a

bunch of different things I had to climb

in and out of that car truly probably 25

times it was hell you got to take off

your shoes you have to people are making

fun of me apparently in the superar Ron

video for having my shoes off there

there's no option is a full world that

small well and also you're stepping on

you're stepping on expensive stuff and

so like I'd rather do that with my socks

than with shoes so you're that's a thing

and yeah it's really tight in that car

so like getting rid of anything you can

to make yourself fit in by the end I was

like thinking of myself I hope I never

see an as Martin V and just you won't so

you're that's true true man you're just

developing more and look at you you're

going to turn into a race car fan you're

just developing more and more of an

appreciation for what race car G te time

getting in and out you love the P1 GTR I

love the P1 GTR I don't know that I

would say that I loved the valkyrie I

would say that it was an experience like

few others um I loved it for what it did

like if you wanted that it delivers it

better than any car I have ever been in

I don't know that I would want it

personally I'm not saying you do I'm

saying you're developing an appreciation

from these experiences yeah not that you

have to have them not that you would

want to drive a Formula 1 car but you're

developing it was definitely quite a

thing to experience and it definitely

like it has this roots in Formula 1

because of how it was developed and who

it's developed by yes you I'm sure

Formula 1 cars are more insane but like

this was this was it the big difference

with formula I mean the eror of that car

is exceptional but yeah Formula One car

is complete I mean generates 6G yeah

around corners which is you have to be a

real Pro I think on newort Coast Bard

you get the absolutely definitely

definely pull I don't know if we left it

in I didn't watch the D but but there

was one point where I shifted as as high

as I could and he superar Ron's like you

know you shifted at 85 it's nothing

that's a that's two3 of the way up the

Rev range you know it would be like

shifting in CR GT at 4400 now imagine

doing it with a manual and a car called

the t. 5 know that you want to but I

think we talked enough about the T last

week that's an interesting an more

refined experience nonetheless uh anyway

refed refined is a word of reason for

anything Valkyrie related The t50

Experience refinement made it better the

T the valky what a car he actually wants

to enjoy yes that's Inter Point I mean

the valkyrie one of its benefits is that

it is so race car like and that's one of

the things I liked about P1 GTR and BAC

Mono is that even though I'm not into

those cars if I had lots of money I'd

probably have a P1 GTR because just that

it was just so unrefined that the like

the character of that was cool have you

done a Vulcan uh no interesting no but I

mean that's I think that's much harder

to drive we had one at the Exotic Car

Dealership I worked at and watching one

of the guys who driven race cars like

move it around is hilarious he stalled

it like 25 times like it is like because

the it's an extract gearbox You Hear It

Go in the gear and it just wants to it

just wants to go yeah the valkyrie for

all of its insanity is actually a car

you could use like it has a regular

transmission to the extent that it just

you put it drive and it goes and like it

has a rearview mirror camera and it has

like a radio like it's a car that is

as far as crazy stuff goes it's like

usable crazy stuff right and Valkyrie is

a dedicated like track car some made for

Roes but yeah you mean

thean yeah I think they were all track

cars maybe there were some I think that

they couldn't be used to lot of tracks

CU they exceed the noise limit because

it is unbelievable how loud that car is

but anyway a really cool experience and

a great video I'm thrilled that at the

response I thought it was really cool it

was interesting to see that because I

don't do a lot of hypercar videos

anymore because a lot of the I've done

them all you know and and now it's a lot

of EVs and stuff and some of those get

really like get big views ID Buzz did

well from like a view perspective people

wanted to see it but but I you never get

when you do the ID buzz and the rivian

R2 it's a lot of interested consumers

and it's a lot of you know people who

are in the market or just want to see

it's cool to see the response to like a

holy crap this is insane video is kind

of that's kind of I think that no other

video of yours has shown quite how

insane it is like this which is good

because it's actually hard to describe I

really think for that car it's like hard

to put into words no one else has ever

had the experience of driving a car at

shifts at 12,000 so like I can't explain

it I've tried for years to explain why

the Kosh is so special and I think it

still falls on De ears a lot of the time

because it's hard to explain but that

video kind of did a good illustr yeah

all right kenon tell us about your uh

We're not gonna listen to I I won't

accept anything about you 500 a bar

potentially buying cars we're not come

on no so the car is sitting there and we

can

you are you are not have no permission

to talk about it's on our list of things

to talk about he added and that is INS I

said nothing but let's talk about the

cayen turbo and your desire to have one

yeah so I do really want a daily and I'm

trying to decide what to get cuz I'm

very precious about my car as you can

imagine and so I'm trying to figure out

like a kayen turbo seems like the right

answer but I had been thinking was this

based did you come to this conclusion

because of our oh yes and just like

driving around the city and going

through dips and parking and looking

back at it like turning around it's like

still you can now get a Cayenne base for

$10,000 or an an hybrid for niceties of

the turbo or an SE hybrid with the

options for 13 I will say an S even the

s from that era was had 400 horsepower

pretty pretty St pretty solid yes

everything you described so far just

there's some suspension travel and it

looks like a Cayenne every when drives

well like the Ken turbo drives great

like I really put around in Corners at

speed and it is lovely drives very

nicely but my my point is like would it

be better for me to consider leasing a

daily that like just I don't have to

worry about maintenance that's the big

fear with the cayen turo they are

reliable cars but consumables are pretty

expensive and so and you know it's like

the problem I don't think you could ever

lease anything that's anywhere near as

cool as the Cayenne Turbo for what the

Cayenne Turbo will cost you to own so

let's say the Cayenne Turbo costs even

being pretty liberal with it like four

grand a year in in repairs and

maintenance I can't imagine it would be

that I I don't think if you get a nice

one yeah maybe five grand I don't know

,000 Grand a year will round a bunch is

a little bit over $300 I think that's

more than enough that's the thing what

300 bucks a month doesn't Bas for an an

ev6 a Nissan ARA yeah I just I that's

the thing I'm running into it's like and

to be honest with you it's like I've

considered it's like well do I just want

kind of a normal car today the answer is

no I I'm a car Enthusiast and like I

couldn't be in anything boring it has to

be something that like I am excited

about even if it's a car I don't care as

much about in terms of how I'm precious

with it if I I just has to be engag and

exciting I think you would be bored if

you went out and leased an Arya for 300

a month yeah you'd you you'd you'd save

money on not using your M5 as much and

save fuel and all that but like at what

personal cost right and Eevees don't fit

into my life because I don't have a

place to charge it at where I live place

to charge don't really need the space

like don't really need like no it's nice

for the emissions of M driving around

like where we live like in kind of in

the city it's like it's a little bit

it's a little bit nicer and the the

silence and serenity of an EV is is

appealing when you have something a

littleit more visceral not that that car

fit into your lifestyle and there are

positives like you wouldn't have to uh

pay for fuel but kayen turbo is a kind

turbo I know it gets the same fuel

economy that the that does like around

town which is not if you drive it like

Doug does in a fuel economy

challenge it was impressive I thought

about that of course like I don't really

have to use by that just buy a Corvette

yeah so I I think the hunt for a kayen

turbo like will commence shortly

but you know because well other than he

would make fun of for it a lot I and I

do like the maon I do I love the way

they I would make fun of you but Macan

turbo is pretty damn good it's very

athletic andon turbo has pdk whereas

Cayenne always had tip tronic always had

tip yeah for towing reasons is my

understanding but I think yeah I think

the reason not m i mean my friend Nick

had one and had just tremendous issues

which is I know maybe not as common but

the Cayenne the way I view it is like

the Cayenne is developed a little bit

more as a solid platform because it had

to be used for Bentley had to be used

for Lamborghini it had to be used for a

number of other things in m on lesso and

I think it's just a less expensive they

put a little bit less R&D into it maybe

and just based on personal information

no Cen those cenne turbos do seem to be

pretty reliable get one of those 70,000

miles you get like a 12 or 13 70,000

miles I think you drive that car for a

long time that's probably a 25 car

that's a 25 car no 30 for for for 12 13

early oh he's out of his mind he's crazy

for for I have I have looked for one

with reasonable mileage in is in a color

that isn't black because so many of them

are

I kind of want that exact spec well it's

going to be maybe one by 140,000 miles

starts be like well all right I'd like

to get one with less miles than that

just because again like maintenance

costs are what are on my mind because

like I put the money into the car I want

to have like perfect in terms of

Maintenance and like I kind of would

like to not be doing that with the next

one so I'm interested I would love it I

also think you can get in and out of it

no problem uh without losing money I or

not not a ton of money yeah I don't

think so but there's so many cool cars

for 25 Grand yeah but for for a daily

that can do everything he can off-road

it he can luxury it he can drive it fast

he can enjoy it like when you look at a

Cayenne Turbo when I look at one when I

see one on the street I'm always like

even 2011 or 12 I'm still like that is a

cool car I I totally agree and I just

driving that one around listening to

watercolors like driving at night man oh

some would wonder if you even need an

E39 M5 absolutely let's do a quick

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I'll I'll do one of mine and you do one

of yours okay uh Lotus evora pull it up

W oh yeah I want to talk about theora

because on the subject of cars that are

getting cheaper uh which been an which

been a topic we've talked about a lot

lately and and and it's done well on

these pod shorts that we've been doing

ivora is getting cheaper but I bet it's

flooring yeah yeah can't imagine that

that a a 2010 with 23,000 mil and a

manual gets too much cheaper than 36 and

then you start to realize the iora has

the famous Elise thing like the Elise

you could buy one for 30 sell one for 30

now it's maybe 35 iora is the same deal

Toyota powertrain still Stout and

they're getting to that point where

they're probably Flor and you can buy

and sell and get out of for the same

number and because they're reliable you

probably don't have to put much money

into it and these cars have always kind

of been used car market Bargains and I

think that at this price 35 36 I am

guessing that this is about where they

stay and then they become real use car

market Bargains when you don't even have

to factor in depreciation or much

maintenance and repair uh well I the

engine may be reliable but I'm concerned

about the other aspects of the car that

are not engine related like the English

and their electronics are not will exp

okay the engine makes the car go all the

other stuff is just along for the ride

so like what are you telling me the door

is going to fall off nah no but I mean

it car you know the electronic system

fails and strands you somewhere it's

like I that's a realistic concern with a

Lotus you know what it stands for lots

of trouble usually serious lots of

tremendous usable usable super car yeah

there you go nice lots of tremendous

usable super no uh I you you might be

right however they do get miles we sell

them with miles we that is true

sometimes that is sometimes people use

them people drive them might have Miles

by 14,000 well that's that's a

three-year-old car sort by highest miles

some of them do get

miles 8,000 Miles this look it in yellow

I've never heard of anybody I've had

buddies voras and Alisa never heard of

anybody who had electrical issues the

Elise has that body problem where the

whole car is the body and if you like

touch it and breathe on it you got to

replace the body you would scratch it

and then have to replace the body I did

I ran into a tree branch and they told

me I had to replace the entire clamshell

which I did not no and the tree branch

was like the size of like your face

that's a pretty big tree branch no dude

your face is

little little one of our editors Nick is

actually is heavily considered

considering an avor tol his 996 and it's

an appealing car it's an appealing car I

think they're really really cool I think

they're Florida in value I think they

look really nice I this yellow just that

you know what I like go back there's

that silver one in the corner down here

that one looks on Silver Wheels yeah

that really nice can I have one of those

you know it's a shame that only 13 years

after this came out we like you know

they have horor is pretty good cuz when

it came out it was like this is

expensive and who wants that get in a

lease that's lotus's problem these are

better used cars than they are new cars

like no you know nobody wants to spend

90 plus Camry engine you know all the

things that were bad about it as a new

car kind of start to become appealing as

a used car it's all it's got a Camry

engine four seats oh that's okay so

maybe Amir one day also get they all

just like they all just live at 30 no I

think will become desirable as it ages

it's just a hard sell at 90 Plus for a

lot of people I actually think it's

pretty desirable I think it's a very

desirable car personally I think and I

thought that about a v too honestly but

it's even more appealing here where it's

30 to 40 Grand and probably Florida

Valley if only felipa would get a car

you get one of these like like I I've

said this you what the hard part about

it is is that fipo hung up on the

purchase price and I've begged him to

understand that it's about total cost of

ownership he could buy and sell the car

get out of it in a year spend no money

and he's like no it's too expensive and

so instead he's G to get something dumb

that loses value I'm probably not going

I wish we had a tag to look at repeat

Defenders cars we've had multiple times

on cars to show him like it's sold for

this and it's sold for this actually you

know what you can do click on recently

ended I I this hit me yesterday reason I

came up we sold this 32,000 Mi to 41

36,000 20,000th go to the very bottom

the very first evor we sold like this

one $34,000 like they they've lost a

little value but like not significant

value and it's clear that they're not

going to really be losing much more

obviously the ones that sold for 86

newer cars the time but now they're

getting cheaper and so you can or

they're getting older you can see what's

going two years ago $ 399 ex these are

Florida and they're cool if you want to

get a Cayman but you you've already had

a Cayman this is the kind of car to get

what's your Market can you go to Lucid a

Sapphire please yeah let's talk Sapphire

all right we sold a lucid air Sapphire

for 200 Grandin stickers 250 stickers

250 we did a bunch of there are no

public Sapphire results before before

this one so we did a bunch of research

and like our team came up with a because

we went too deep in this with a form

like how much do other uh Lucid models

appreciate which is a lot so that put

the value of this after a year and

whatever miles it has at like

160 that's this is exciting to me

because it shows that the super high

performance ones are still getting

enough recognition that they're not

following that same appreciation curve

may tons are I I was shocked by this

this better I was shocked by also it has

it has miles 3,000 something I will say

um 3,300 I will say this is a more

special car than a tyon turbo or Turbo

those are very available I have still

not seen a lucid air Sapphire on the

road only when you had it here for as

toie and I see lucd air is pretty common

I see every day yeah truly but sappire

is I legitim think it's one of cool one

the the model S plaid held value for a

little bit and then kind of appreciate

it this has I think more that's special

about it that based on this result is is

helping this a true super sports car

everybody who super performance sedan

Sport Luxury Sport everybody who

reviewed it was very positive including

me I loved it I thought it was

absolutely amazing to drive and use I

feel that way about all the Lucid eras

but the sappire is really cool

production is somewhat limited so now I

mean the person did lose $1,600 per mile

the drove but that's it's a different

issue but that's kind of true of all

$250,000 I mean S-Class is everything in

that segment the sapphire definitely did

hold value better than a regular better

than anybody exited and we're thrilled

to see it yeah okay it's time for

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pte like Nick has oh in Period that's so

cool yeah I was reading an interview

where he talked about it he one of the

things he liked about is four-door car

and they named it the four-door only the

Italians we should do video talking

about like musicians cars like that or

like famous people Ferrari well I I was

thinking Rod Stewart and all of his

Ferraris Nick Mason great can I this

video thank you Nick's got great uh okay

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next we we're not doing like a news

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going to do questions which we've

already taken so anyway we're gonna do

this week's questions now so let's go

first question

is uh from rodne this is a question we

get with sort of like it with some

frequency but I want to cover it again

of all the auctions on cars and bids

over the years that have been completed

what were the craziest buyers and

sellers that you've had to deal with and

what ended up happening with those

auctions it there's never anything like

too crazy one dude sued Us in small

claims court remember that do and we

defended the judge was like you're an

insane person get out the the the guy

wanted the buyer to send him Amazon gift

card it was something truly insane and

we were like no we're not we're not part

but that that was probably one of them

but like I nothing's ever been like

insane has anything there's been a lot

of insane people yeah um because humans

turns out like Kenan are insane right

but nothing that's like coming immedi my

Land Cruiser

to uh but I don't I can't think of any I

can't think of any really insane

situations that have at least come to my

attention you've probably seen them but

I I've seen a lot but none that are like

story are crazy yeah it's usually like

okay this isn't I'm crazy and here's

what I might take and I'm the seller's

crazy and the buyers crazy and we got a

I remember early on some of the buyus

remorse was some of my favorite where

someone would say oh I left my laptop

open it's Starbucks and somebody entered

a bit it's like all right all right your

wife found out about the car she's not

happy and you're walking it back there

was a dude that bid on and bought a

Focus RS and then he com to a couple

weeks later and so I I have a lot of

back issues and I thought that this

carard would be perfect for me based on

all the forums and it turns out that I

can't drive it can I list it back on

cars and Beds which isn't that crazy

like I don't remember this we do have

people turn around cars quick but it's

like my answer would have been the focus

rest is still for sale go to your Ford

dealer before you bid maybe find out if

it's a car for you before you spend

something that really annoys us we do

get people sometimes being like you know

this car had this or that or often

sometimes it's stuff that was

disclosed and then but they see it the

last day of the auction like oh I got a

bid then they bid then they're like this

it has this scratch it's like I can see

the scratch and all the pictures you J

always do your D diligence the reason

the auction runs for a week is not

because we think bids will be coming in

for a week the actual auction runs for

five minutes okay let's be clear the

week is so that you can call the dude

you can send a budy inut to go look at

the car you can have a PPI done you can

get your financing and order all that

stuff nothing I I wish there was

something that I came to mind as like a

really great story but it's just normal

people dealing with transactions yeah I

think that's what it is it's a lot of

normal people dealing with transactions

and the pros and con and as I tell a lot

of people then we can move on from this

for a lot of folks most expensive

purchase ever make is your house

probably second most expensive is

probably a car like second most exped

category is probably a car it's scary

for people and so you don't always get

the best of humans but then we're we

have a team that's there literally to

walk you through how to do it and then

it usually works out we have really good

support really good support stuff their

whole purpose is to share all the

experience we gained over almost 25,000

auctions like with people to maximize

their value for CS

leg okay next question comes from I am

him filipo did you get run over by

Michelin Pilot Sport cup too

oh for those of you who can't see his

shirt he does look like he has a tire

track across the sweater I I firmly

believe that this Christmas is this

sweater is

Christmasy he got hit he got run over

the sweater Got Run Over By A Tire

around Christmas time do you think that

Santa SLE has m in pport 2 do you think

that's Santa slle that looks like you

got run over by a tire the question is

does the SLE have no it doesn't have

tires what do you think it was it was

pretty wide it's a wide s Pilot Sport

it's like a career GT rear rear tire

does look like look like we'll

compare not anytime soon okay next

question actually from I am him question

for Doug if you could make Ken and fipo

buy a car what would you make them buy

and why um I fly Doug had that kind of

influence I would make filipo just like

make a decision you know step up and do

the job what what would I buy uh I'd

make kenon buy an E60 M5 really feel it

really feel it why do you hate me would

you I would make you get like something

that's that I want you to get like I'd

make you spend some money like realize

what it's like to write a check Diablo

oh god I've been trying to convince my

friends here in San Diego to get a

vintage Lambo for like two years every

day and and no one will uh I mean yeah

it's a really expensive unreliable ni

got a mercy it's not like I'm asking him

to like to like jump off a bridge he's

he's he's two years away from what I'm

trying to get him to do maybe he likes

the mercy you know I know but if he had

a Diablo he'd have a Diablo I understand

you've got a count that's enough for us

Ellis I need someone to share this with

me I want someone to share this

experience with me and remember Joe saki

I don't know any other Countach people

like I said on the phot I don't know

anybody else right you you w up all of

us by Too Much by having a at all so you

got to instead one up somebody that gets

with any of those people I hate all the

other people who are rich I say do you

sure you want to know Kos no I don't

want anything to do with them okay next

question question for Porsche 32

question for kennet Matt Farah recently

mentioned writing a new article for rad

and track about how the ct5v Blackwing

has been chasing the ghost of ether item

five when be themselves and everyone

else is not uh will you acknowledge the

ct5v Blackwing is the true God's Chariot

and the spiritual successor your ether

95 if not Doug can you set up with kenon

with a demo card for a week to change

his mind happened already so I have I've

driven the ct5 V which was a demo car

that I had as I recall absolutely loved

it manual one it was blue it was

phenomenal love the car I have never

I've never seen a fuel gauge physically

move while I'm driving it it is

unbelievable you have real range anxiety

driving a gasoline powered car which is

crazy yeah but like the but so your

thoughts on whether it's got It's not as

well as a it's not as well rounded of a

car as that is because it just doesn't

there are I mean it gets like

legitimately 6 miles of the gallon it's

also brutally fast in a way that the M5

is maybe a little bit more balanced

second and third in that car are really

fun to use for acceleration that's where

it's in the m and in the Cadillac there

too the difference is the speed is

Multiplied tremendously so it is a lot

less usable in that regard but I have to

admit is is one of my favorite cars I've

ever driven I loved it I would love to

have one in addition to that car which I

know is very redundant but I'd have like

the best and where it all ended in the

end and I can't believe that Cadillac of

all manufacturers makes that in the

spirit of the question I think we both

agree that yes it is the

car yeah absolutely I think it goes like

that car you could say maybe the Audi B7

RS4 is very similar then came the Chevy

SS which a lot of people you know love

G8 I mean there for a while there were a

few lot V8 kind of come to this this is

yeah it's the fact that that's a car

that's currently on sale is outrageous

and that it's actually a great car like

the G8 the the G8 though it was great

there were concessions made was quite

big the interior was not great Pontiac

wasn't our brand you know same thing

with the same thing with the SS the

interior like all the butt better intert

the C the ct5 Blackwing is like the e35

in the sense that it is like the

ultimate car that you really want and it

has the manual to re i' actually argue

and it's even more subtle it says

Blackwing in two places and their little

tags on the seats that's it you have to

like really know well of course you also

know CU you don't see any actual ct5 ct5

around so that's well that's straight

did San Diego I never see any

of I just looked for you you were

talking about leasing a car uh based on

what I could see in a 30 second Search

Coastal blue metallic manual leas for

only $1,700 a month something to

consider little I do want to see what

they do in terms of I mean they're

holding their value relatively strong

they really hold but there's nothing

else like it like none ever for sale we

we've hosted surprisingly few yeah right

uh next question from qal hey Doug

hypothetically speaking if the Ford GTC

GT value started to drastically plummet

would you sell the car to save yourself

from losing money or would you keep it

for the pure passion of what it is and

what it offers it's a good question I

it's hard to imagine a scenario in which

they would like drastically start to

plummet in value so it's hard to really

put myself in the mindset of that um but

I love the cars and I don't really need

the cash so I would probably keep them

now in the scenario you're talking about

maybe the whole world is Dr maybe it's

like 08 again or 1927 would you

buy well maybe nothing if I'm selling

everything Panic selling everything um

but I really love the cars and they're

what I want and um it's hard to imagine

I I kind of wish the K was cheaper

because it make make it easier to use we

same but like you know even though I

bought it like you've also bought

carefully so even in a world we s Plum

there there is some intrinsic value to a

c like that based on how many they built

the specialness of it I agree with that

the the new Countach intrinsic value is

low a career GT V10 manual fastest car

run n ring in the whole world ever um

close enough that's that's a car that's

going to always be desired couple

seconds from being true and one of the

stories I hear some of the stories I

hear from the guys who did make those

purchases 20 years ago of the f40s for

200 Grand is that kind of thing they

bought cars that were special that they

loved that they knew they would love and

and it worked out but also they had

something that they loved and surely the

stock market would have done better Etc

but they they had this thing that they

loved and and I think that's how you

make the decision and and that's how

I've made my decisions the three sports

cars that I have I truly love them and

yeah it would be sad if they lost value

but not as sad as if I lost them exactly

at the end of the day like and that's

what upset me for a while when so many

investment people are like buying cars

and then like not using them using them

as Commodities it's it's a horrible

investment generally speaking you make

way more money in other things the

differen is like if you're passionate

about these like the goal should be to

maybe not lose a ton of money on it

money it's a great benefit and some of

do I think career GT is not in a

position where it's going to rise in

value significantly for a long time had

a big jump I do not think those cars are

going anywhere for a while made a lot of

them they made they made well 1270s

that's a lot there more at 40s Dayton

only by only by a hundred but yeah there

more cachas I don't think the production

number is the problem they they it's

it's pretty rare especially compared to

more modern supercars where production

runs have now gotten considerably

they're out of control now um but I

think the problem is that it had a big

runup and there's the people who have

them have You' already made that pre

sure they Prett sure already have them

but uh okay next question final question

o final question this is another

question for kenon Luke

26 uh question for kenon they're all for

kenon even the one that we we're not

getting to uh C for kenon is great what

for fipo there's not any questions for

fipo that's really sad because know it's

really not folks if you got questions

about electric vehicles or the car

market compact cars actually thought

about coming to you that's what I wanted

to ask today about the look for don't

you worry question for kenon as a fellow

Northeast Ohio and are there any spots

that you know of to spot cool cars

dealership shows such a so I actually

I've been kind of putting the scal I'm

going to post it on Instagram soon but

like I was going back through I'm from

Hudson Ohio which is a small town

between Cleveland and akaran and in

period when I was growing up there we

had the craziest cars I mean nuts we had

there was a crer GT was bought new in my

hometown I have pictures of it at the

gas station uh I'd see Spiker C8

Lamborghini gardo super leera 997.1 GT3

RS in green like there were just and

this was a regular thing You' bike to

downtown Hudson be just crazy cars all

the time every single Friday on summer

in the summer you knew was this was this

over at Aladdin there is there there is

an aladdin and I did I have pictures

like where would you see the card like

at flip side the guy at the C GT always

filled up at BP and it's cuz he went in

to buy cigarettes there and he would

leave and like that that per you teeth I

don't think he smoked in it I

think I think he still has the car also

you're talking about the BP at Main

Street there at Rena that's correct

that's right right off yep right on

but by Yours Truly by Yours Truly recent

recently revamped nice rooftop

of I go back to Hudson with some regular

but no my my answer for him not anymore

has changed like now they're just like

Audi Cleveland the places I would go uh

shagrin Falls is really really there's

it's a very wealthy area and every time

I go there I see nice cars even now that

has not changed nice cars like what

people inw Z8 uh I've seen uh SLS series

I've seen a lot of really cars but the

thing you should do in all honesty I'll

s it's like go to Marshall Goldman like

the Marshall Goldman the has just an

incredible inventory um and but it's

like going to a car show like truly just

be very polite you know don't touch

anything obviously be very nice but um

that's the place to go I mean that's the

place to go but if you want to see them

in the wild I would say Shar Falls your

best where's the trip F collection

they're in Columbus colus that's a

different do they is there like a Carson

coffee that like do we know them is

there a Carson coffee that they go to uh

I hold a big event every year I think in

June usually um and they have some

they've had some stuff they had some

stuff from Mouse Motors collection in

Chicago they have several McLaren f1s

they sent their stuff there it was

that's a and that is a wild show to go

to I have to say for being as into cars

as I am not my world yeah I understand

know for you felipo the local Toyota

dealership dealership would be enough I

think but it is see all the comments

when you're nameing Toyota SUVs you

forgot the lowercase b uppercase Z four

upper case I don't consider that an SUV

they do be honest doesn't consider but

that's my answer there is K's top tips

on car spotting in Northeast Ohio in the

greater kyoga County area I don't

actually Summit technically yeah same

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