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Ep.327 – RE-HEATED: Rick Mears, Pt1

Ep.327 – RE-HEATED: Rick Mears, Pt1

Dinner with Racers May 21, 2026 71 min
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About this episode

Hosts kick off a “reheated” conversation with Rick Mears, tying it to the Indianapolis 500 and to what makes his racing brain tick. Mears and the team talk spotters, visibility, and why you “don't want to rely a hundred percent on your spotter.” The discussion then swings to driver aids, desert racing’s one-pass challenge, and Mears’ early off-road and open-wheel path—plus the Penske connections and even what he bought after a big contract.

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Concept

higher pattern a little lower pattern

"Say, you know, you might want to try a little you know a little later entry [522.8s] Yeah, a little higher pattern a little lower pattern get down the paint a little more or whatever"

This is about where you place the car on the track. Changing the line can help the tires grip better and can make it easier to get alongside or pass.

Concept

later entry

"Say, you know, you might want to try a little you know a little later entry"

“Later entry” means you turn in closer to the corner’s apex instead of early. It can help you get a better angle and exit speed.

Concept

airflow and traffic behind somebody

"Or if I see something that might help him with the airflow and traffic behind somebody, you know"

When you’re behind another car, the air around your car can get messed up, and you may have to deal with other cars too. That can change how well the tires stick and how you time your pass.

Concept

pattern changes

"We've been talking about some pattern changes and everything"

Pattern changes are small adjustments to how you drive—like where you brake and how you take a corner. Racers do it because the car and tires change over time.

Term

GT3 car

"We've been talking about some pattern changes and everything [562.5s] We have I was gonna say the car I've raced the last couple years of GT3 car has like all the same"

A GT3 car is a type of race car used in GT racing series. It’s built to a common rulebook, and it often has racing electronics like traction control and ABS.

Brand

Honda

"It's actually the same steering wheel that the old champ car or Indy car had from Honda all the same switch is everything"

Honda is a car and engine brand. Here it’s mentioned because the older open-wheel racing car used Honda-linked equipment.

Term

TC

"We have fuel mixture and ABS and TC and all that stuff"

TC is traction control. It helps the car avoid spinning its tires by reducing power when the wheels start slipping.

Term

ABS

"We have fuel mixture and ABS and TC and all that stuff"

ABS is a safety system that helps you brake hard without the wheels locking up. That way, you can still steer while you slow down.

Term

fuel mixture

"We have fuel mixture and ABS and TC and all that stuff"

Fuel mixture is how much fuel is mixed with the air going into the engine. Adjusting it can change how strong and how smooth the engine feels.

Concept

options

"But I'll say the same thing to my engineer [592.4s] I'm like just remind me later that I have those options because you're burning the tires off and more TC would help"

Here “options” means settings the driver can choose, like how much the car’s traction control helps. Even if you have them, it can be hard to change them while you’re fighting for position.

Term

paddle shifting

"We've had lately with that is a lot of the technology like paddle shifting [677.3s] Exactly clutch and it's taken skill sets away."

Paddle shifting means you change gears using paddles on the steering wheel. It’s meant to make shifting quicker and easier than using a stick shift.

Term

driver aid

"Exactly clutch and it's taken skill sets away. Any driver aid. Yeah is a lost tool to me, right?"

A driver aid is a system that helps you drive, like traction or stability features. The idea here is that it can make driving less about the driver’s own inputs.

Concept

Indy cars doing a great job and in the direction they're going on the rules the arrow package

"You know, I think Indy cars doing a great job and in the direction they're going on the rules the arrow package [691.9s] I've argued I've argued that for 30 years. Yeah, but the less down for us now"

The “arrow package” is an IndyCar set of rules that controls the car’s aerodynamic setup. It affects how much grip the car has from the air, and that changes how the car drives.

Term

downforce

"I've argued I've argued that for 30 years. Yeah, but the less down for us now [696.5s] Of course more power, right? Yeah, let me drive the car."

Downforce is the “air pressure” effect that presses the car onto the road. More downforce usually means better grip, especially in corners.

Concept

difference between driving and guiding

"There's a difference between driving driving and guiding. Yeah, I'd rather drive it than guide it"

The speaker is basically saying there’s a difference between fully driving the car yourself and just steering it while other things do the work. They prefer the car to respond to the driver’s skill.

Concept

IMSA race

"If you go to an IMSA race to follow the actor DPI's don't scan and listen to Agna Andy Lally"

IMSA is a big kind of professional sports-car racing in North America. Races often involve teams, driver radio, and cars competing in different groups at the same time.

Concept

spotter

"I just got a drive and it's like I don't know that I you know, I'd have made it with a spotter"

A spotter is someone on the team who watches the track and tells the driver what’s happening around them. It helps the driver stay safe and avoid getting surprised by other cars.

Term

talk on the radio

"Right, you know, how are you about talking on the radio? Were you talkative or no, no, and that's it and you know, it's I remember, you know, conversation with Roger early on."

Racers use a radio to talk to their team. The team gives instructions, and the driver has to keep driving while listening and responding when needed.

Term

yellow

"Working over here, you know, so during a yellow we need something or if I've got a problem that needs to be, you know"

In racing, a “yellow” means there’s a caution on the track. Cars slow down and teams may change what they’re doing because the race is temporarily controlled.

Concept

sprint buggies

"Well, you know some guys can do that. Yeah, some guys they can they can I just can't do two things at once ... you guys started racing sprint buggies"

Sprint buggies are lightweight, off-road race cars built for short, high-intensity events. They’re often run on dirt tracks with jumps and bumps, where suspension travel and traction matter more than top speed.

Term

dirt road courses

"Yep, which I'd never heard of before and they were kind of like dirt road courses. Yeah, it was Where we raced was that at Ascot Park, right?"

“Dirt road courses” describes racing surfaces that are loose and change grip as cars pass. That affects tire behavior, braking points, and how the suspension absorbs ruts and bumps.

Concept

motorcycle TT track

"Yeah, and then they'd run motorcycle TT ... you go through one and two and circle back in and go around the pond and over a big jump"

A “TT” track in this context refers to a motorcycle-style course layout that includes sections designed for high-speed flow and jumps. The driver describes how the buggy course reused that layout, then added logs and extra bumps to change the challenge.

Topic

Ascot Park

"Where we raced was that at Ascot Park, right? Yeah, and on the motorcycle TT track"

Ascot Park is a specific racing venue mentioned in the conversation as the place where they ran sprint buggies. The hosts use it to anchor the driver’s early racing background and track layout.

Term

20 inches of travel

"you didn't want like a full-blown Desert truck, yeah, you know 20 inches of travel right I need it."

“Travel” here means suspension travel: how much the suspension can move up and down. More travel helps a race car absorb big bumps and landings without bottoming out, which is critical on jump-heavy dirt courses.

Concept

Desert truck

"you didn't want like a full-blown Desert truck, yeah, you know 20 inches of travel right I need it."

A “desert truck” is a type of off-road race truck associated with long-travel suspension and high-speed desert running. The speaker uses it as a comparison point for how much suspension travel they wanted for their buggy setup.

Concept

cross between a sprint car

"yeah, you know 20 inches of travel right I need it. It was a cross between a sprint car and a yeah, you know"

A sprint car is a lightweight dirt-track race car known for quick acceleration and a setup tuned for traction on short ovals. Saying the buggy was a “cross between” suggests it borrowed sprint-car traits while also taking on off-road jump characteristics.

Term

roll cage

"She decided she wanted me something with a roll cage to seatbelts and sure and a little safer"

A roll cage is a metal safety frame inside the car. It helps protect you if the car flips or crashes hard.

Term

seatbelts

"She decided she wanted me something with a roll cage to seatbelts and sure and a little safer"

Seatbelts keep you from being thrown around in a crash. In racing cars, they’re usually stronger and more secure than in regular cars.

Brand

Parnelli

"You see I'd melt and met Parnelli Parnelli had helped me [1604.4s] You know [1605.0s] As a matter of fact, he was one of our first sponsors when we were running the sprint buggies down LA"

They’re talking about Parnelli Jones, a famous race driver. The story connects him to Rick Mears through sponsorship and off-road racing.

Brand

Firestone

"We'd go by the the Firestone dealership and they'd give us a set of tires nice we'd mount them up and [1618.4s] They go to the racetrack and groove them out there in the track"

Firestone is a tire company. In the story, they’re helping by supplying tires for the racing team to use at the track.

Term

groove them out there

"They go to the racetrack and groove them out there in the track and right matter of fact my driving shoes were his [1624.8s] PJs the Parnelli tennis you yeah PJ all right."

They’re talking about modifying the tire tread to help it grip. The idea is to make the tires perform better on the track.

Concept

pre-running

"When I rode with him pre-running one time. Oh, wow, and that was back then and I remember sitting there [1677.4s] I'm not a good passenger anyway, but you know and then riding with him and he's just on it out across the desert as pre-runner"

Pre-running means checking the race course ahead of time. It helps the driver learn the terrain and avoid surprises during the actual race.

Concept

jump at like full speed

"And he hits a jump at like full speed I couldn't see we were gonna land and I'm like same thought it's probably Gordon like"

Hitting a jump at full speed is a high-risk off-road driving scenario that stresses suspension travel, tire grip, and vehicle stability on landing. It’s the kind of situation where setup (damping and ride height) and driver control matter as much as raw power.

Concept

Formula V

"So you go from doing the sprint buggies and Baja stuff to Formula V Mm-hmm, and then super V win the runoffs"

“Formula V” is a named racing category with rules about what kinds of cars can compete. It’s the kind of series drivers move into as their careers progress.

Concept

Baja

"So you go from doing the sprint buggies and Baja stuff to Formula V"

“Baja” is shorthand for famous desert off-road racing in Baja California. It’s the kind of racing where cars drive long distances over rough sand and dirt.

Concept

super V

"Mm-hmm, and then super V win the runoffs and then you end up meeting Bill Simpson"

“Super V” sounds like a higher-level version of a racing category. It usually means the cars and rules are a step up from the basic version.

Concept

runoffs

"Mm-hmm, and then super V win the runoffs and then you end up meeting Bill Simpson"

“Runoffs” are basically the big end-of-season races where the top drivers compete to decide the final winners. Think of it like the championship-deciding event.

Concept

Pikes Peak

"Still running a short track the desert Pikes Peak running those three things"

Pikes Peak is a famous hill/mountain race in Colorado. Drivers race up a steep mountain, so the course is tough and demanding.

Concept

Pavement license

"take this old V down and get your Pavement license."

They’re talking about getting permission to drive on paved roads. It’s basically the legal step that lets the car be used in situations that involve public roads, not just a closed race track.

Concept

desert racing

"And you know the desert thing, you know that was never really got... Is just do as far as I'm concerned because it's one of the most difficult forms of a racing I've ever done absolutely."

They’re describing desert racing as extremely tough. Because the course is long and the ground changes, you have to constantly adjust how you drive and you usually don’t get many chances to learn the route.

Concept

one lap. It's 800 miles long

"you get one lap. It's 800 miles long. You don't memorize it"

They’re saying the race is so long that you effectively only get one real run through it. Since you can’t memorize everything, you have to figure out what the road is doing as you drive and adjust your speed corner by corner.

Concept

reading the terrain

"you'll be out there just run along... And you're reading the terrain as you get to the corner to try to figure out"

They mean you’re constantly judging what the ground is like as you approach each section. That helps you decide how fast to go and how to steer safely over uneven or changing surfaces.

Concept

slide it across

"Get back on the throttle you know and slide it across and you're right up on the top of the berm coming out to exit"

That phrase means the car is moving sideways a bit while the driver keeps it under control. It’s a way to handle low grip or to set up the car for the next part of the turn.

Term

berm

"Get back on the throttle you know and slide it across and you're right up on the top of the berm coming out to exit"

A berm is a raised, banked part of the track. Drivers use it to help the car turn faster and stay stable through a corner.

Term

throttle

"Get back on the throttle you know and slide it across and you're right up on the top of the berm coming out to exit"

The throttle is how much power you’re asking the engine for. Getting back on the throttle means you start giving it power again after you’ve slowed down or gone through a tricky part of the track.

Topic

Riverside

"I remember I was getting my formula v license at Riverside"

Riverside is the race track location mentioned in the story. Different tracks feel different, so learning there is part of getting ready to race.

Company

SCCA

"The scca guy there I was getting ready to go out and he comes up and he sits down inside the car and he leans in"

SCCA stands for the Sports Car Club of America, a major U.S. motorsports organization that runs amateur and club racing events. In this context, the “SCCA guy” is involved in licensing or track/race preparation.

Term

black flag

"So I'm running on here. Hey, this is cool. I'm slipping the sliding around, you know, pretty soon. I see the black flag"

A black flag is a serious warning from race officials. It usually means something is wrong and you need to pull into the pits right away.

Term

slipping the sliding around

"So I'm running on here. Hey, this is cool. I'm slipping the sliding around, you know, pretty soon. I see the black flag"

It means the tires aren’t gripping like they should, so the car starts to slide. In rain, that’s common, and the driver has to be gentler with power and steering to stay in control.

Car

Formula 5000

"So you go from super V's to a Formula 5000 car That's a pretty big jump even in anything today's this this is again parts of this boils back down to"

Formula 5000 was a type of race car used in open-wheel racing, known for big, powerful engines. The speaker is saying it was a big jump to move into that kind of car.

Term

lcca season

"I'll supply a car. I'll get you a car You take it maintain it run the lcca season, you know and try to qualify And to go to the runoffs."

“LCCA season” means the regular schedule of races in that organization’s championship. The idea is you race and keep the car working all season, then use your results to qualify for the bigger Runoffs event.

Term

co-drive

"you got a co-drive with me in the 500 That's the deal. Yeah, yeah, right. He'll give me the car if I co-drive with him."

A “co-drive” means another driver shares time behind the wheel. In this story, Rick has to co-drive to get the car.

Topic

Indy car deal timing

"So I was really looking forward to that. Well, what happens? I get an indy car deal ... the first or second indy car race came on the same weekend as a runoff"

This part explains how an Indy car opportunity came at the same time as the Runoffs, affecting what happened next.

Term

Willow Springs

"So, you know, so I go to willow springs and we do the tests and you know and [2520.5s] I loved it."

Willow Springs is a famous race track in California. People use it to test cars because it has a variety of turns and speeds.

Term

V8

"I think I'd run with a v8 and it was a [2525.6s] A little bit of a season of that 57 Chevy on a quarter mile."

A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders. The “V” shape helps it fit in the car and it’s known for making strong power.

Term

quarter mile

"A little bit of a season of that 57 Chevy on a quarter mile. Oh, right. Yeah, track their biggest state"

A quarter mile is a short straight-line race distance. It’s often used to judge how fast a car accelerates.

Car

57 Chevy

"A little bit of a season of that 57 Chevy on a quarter mile. Oh, right. Yeah, track their biggest state"

“57 Chevy” means a 1957 Chevrolet. It’s a classic car people often race, including for straight-line acceleration.

Concept

no modern equivalent

"It's like there's kind of no modern equivalent [2533.9s] but I mean it's basically like formula forward to"

They’re saying today’s race cars don’t really match that older style. The mix of light weight and huge power is what makes it hard to compare to modern cars.

Term

F2000

"Right. It's basically going for an f2000. It's got a steering wheel in it. Right. Just go figure it out"

F2000 is a racing class for open-wheel cars that’s generally less powerful than the Formula 5000 cars. Here, it’s used as a comparison for how the car feels to drive.

Concept

contract

"In the way that the 5000 deal, you know, the contract was 5000 and or indy car. Yeah, you know"

In racing, a “contract” is the agreement that says what a driver will do and what the deal terms are. The speaker is talking about how those agreements were different back then.

Concept

first Indy car race came about

"And that's the way that you know, the first indy car race came about right [2789.0s] That probably wouldn't happen now"

They’re talking about how the earliest Indy-style race got started. It’s basically the origin story of that whole kind of American open-wheel racing.

Company

Penske

"Uh is like if you go on the internet, it's like is he going to go to penske or ganassi [2803.7s] Who's going to scoop this kid up? He's so good"

Penske is a well-known racing team. They’re mentioned as a possible place a very promising driver might end up.

Company

Ganassi

"Uh is like if you go on the internet, it's like is he going to go to penske or ganassi [2803.7s] Who's going to scoop this kid up? He's so good"

Ganassi is a big-name racing team. They’re brought up as one of the top options for a talented young driver.

Company

USAC

"Get usac to allow me to even run. Sure. Yeah [2846.0s] Here's this kid out of the boat because your experience they were worried about getting you out there"

USAC is an organization that sets the rules and gives permission for certain racing events. The speaker is saying they had to get USAC approval before they could race.

Concept

scary fast

"Well, yeah, because I hadn't I right right at ontario right scary fast. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean [2857.0s] Um, I mean I'd never been I'd I'd run what?"

They mean the pace was extremely quick—so quick it felt intimidating. In racing, that usually means the car was going faster than expected for that situation.

Topic

Michigan meeting

"So the most important question of the morning meeting [3795.2s] Oh, no. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Okay. I'm excited. Okay. So this michigan meeting [3801.0s] um, and you may not uh, you can you can plead the fifth but um,"

They’re talking about a specific meeting in Michigan connected to racing. It’s mainly part of the story, not a car-tech topic.

Concept

car payment higher than your house payment

"Hey, wait a minute. It's dumb when when the car payment's higher than your house payment"

They’re talking about budgeting risk: if your car loan payment is bigger than your mortgage or rent, it can put you in a tight spot financially. It’s basically a “too much car payment” warning.

Car

Ferrari 308

"What kind of Ferrari was it a 308? [3868.9s] Well, you got to have it. But you got to have it."

The Ferrari 308 is an older Ferrari sports car with a V8 engine in the middle of the car. People love it because it looks and drives like a true exotic, even though it’s not the most expensive Ferrari in the lineup.

Car

Ford Maverick

"... got to have it. But you got to have it. It's the maverick, right? Yeah, you got to be Or the magnum"

The Ford Maverick is a small pickup truck made for regular daily use. It has a truck bed for carrying things, but it’s smaller and easier to drive than many other trucks. That’s why people talk about it when they want “truck stuff” without a big vehicle.

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