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Term
tubeless tires
Tubeless tires don’t use an inner tube. The tire seals to the rim, so you can run different pressures and you’re less likely to get certain puncture problems.
Concept
dopamine chasing lizard
They’re joking about how some people get hooked on the thrill of chasing the next thing—like details and upgrades—more than the main activity. It’s basically “getting addicted to the hobby.”
Topic
formula continental
Formula Continental is an open-wheel racing class. The host brings it up to show how racing can stay exciting even when cars seem to be just following each other.
Topic
formula atlantic
Formula Atlantic is a type of open-wheel racing series. The host is talking about it to illustrate that races can look close and still be unpredictable.
Place
halit
“halit” sounds like a track name, but the transcript is unclear. The host is comparing it to other tracks that are stricter when cars get stuck or incidents happen.
Term
hot poles
“hot poles” doesn’t sound like a standard racing term, so it may be a transcription mistake. The host’s point is that at that event, officials were more tolerant about what happens when a car is stopped on track.
Term
yellow flag
A yellow flag means “something dangerous is on the track.” Drivers have to slow down and be ready to react, and it’s usually not the time to pass like normal.
Term
red flag
A red flag means “stop right now.” The track is too unsafe to keep racing, so drivers slow down and wait for instructions.
Term
black flag
A black flag is a serious warning to a specific driver. It usually means you have a problem or broke a rule and you need to pull in or fix it right away.
Place
Road Atlanta
Road Atlanta is a well-known race track in the U.S. The host is saying tracks like this don’t allow much “margin for error” when something goes wrong.
Place
Road America
Road America is a famous race track in the U.S. The host is comparing how strictly different tracks handle incidents during races.
Place
V IR
“V IR” seems to be a race track name the host is listing. They’re using it to say some tracks react very quickly and shut things down if there’s trouble.
Term
flag tronics
This sounds like an electronic system that replaces or supplements traditional flags. It tells drivers what speed rule to follow (like “code 60”), usually through a display or notification.
Term
code 60
“Code 60” is basically a rule that says “slow down to 60” during a caution-like situation. Drivers have to time their slowing correctly so cars don’t bunch up dangerously.
Term
full course yellow
A “full course yellow” is the race-wide caution mode. It means the whole track is slowed down and drivers must be extra careful because something could be on or near the racing line.
Term
lucky dog
“Lucky dog” is a rule that can let one car that’s a lap down get back on the lead lap during a caution. It’s meant to keep the race from getting too lopsided when cars fall behind.
Term
dequeued
“Dequeued” means the race officials take away the advantage someone got at the start. It’s a penalty that puts them back in line so the start is fair.
Term
roll on a start
It means getting moving and building speed right at the start, sometimes before the race is fully underway. The idea is to gain a head start so you can pass sooner.
Term
green flag
The green flag means the race is back on and you can drive at full speed. Before that, you’re usually limited because of caution.
Term
full throttle
“Full throttle” means the driver is asking for maximum power from the engine. It’s the pedal-to-the-metal moment that makes the car accelerate hard.
Topic
24 hour race
A 24-hour race is a long endurance event where the goal is to keep the car running and drive smart for an entire day. Strategy matters as much as speed.
Place
datona
“Datona” is Daytona, a well-known race track in Florida. It’s famous for endurance races and high-speed action.
Term
GT3
GT3 is a category of race cars that are based on real sports cars, but modified for track racing. They’re designed to compete in the same class so cars can race each other fairly.
Term
GTE
GTE is another class of race car used in endurance racing. It’s generally positioned as faster than GT3, so it changes how you plan when to pass other cars.
Term
class starts
“Class starts” means cars from different categories start in an organized way rather than all at once. That changes how much traffic each driver deals with right away.
Term
pole position
Pole position is the very front spot on the starting grid. It’s usually earned by being the fastest in qualifying, and it helps you control the start.
Car
Honda Passport
The Honda Passport is a family-sized SUV that’s meant for regular driving and carrying people or gear. Motor mounts are parts that hold the engine in place, and if they wear out, the engine can shake more than it should.
Term
understeer
Understeer is when your car doesn’t turn in as much as you want. The front tires lose grip first, so the car tends to slide toward the outside of the turn.
Term
ABS
ABS is a safety system that stops your wheels from locking up when you brake hard. It pulses the brakes so you can keep steering control instead of skidding.
Term
corner entry under braking
“Corner entry under braking” refers to the phase right as you turn into a corner while still slowing down. Driver inputs and tire grip are especially sensitive here, so ABS behavior and brake-release timing can strongly affect stability and turn-in.
Concept
repetitions
Repetitions means doing the same driving move again and again. You’re trying to learn what your inputs do so the car behaves the way you want more consistently.
Concept
limit
“The limit” is the point where the tires are basically maxed out and can’t grip any harder. When you’re near that point, tiny changes can make the car behave very differently.
Term
autocross
Autocross is a timed driving event on a cone course, usually in a parking lot or closed area. You’re not racing on a track for long straights—so handling and tire grip are the big deal.
Term
weight transfer
Weight transfer is when the car’s weight shifts to different wheels when you turn, brake, or accelerate. That shift changes how much grip each tire has.
Concept
smooth as fast
“Smooth as fast” is the idea that gentle, controlled driving is quicker. The point is to keep the tires working well instead of upsetting the car with jerky inputs.
Term
inputs
“Inputs” are what you do with the steering wheel, brake, and gas pedal. In performance driving, the timing and size of those actions affect how well the tires grip.
Term
tire interacting with the surface
Your tires are the only part touching the road, so what matters is how the tire grips the pavement. The “smooth” part is really about keeping that grip consistent.
Term
partial throttle
Partial throttle just means you’re not flooring the gas pedal—only using some of it. When you’re turning, that can affect how the car grips the road and whether it feels stable or wants to slide.
Term
thousand horsepower
“Thousand horsepower” means the car has a huge amount of engine power. They’re using it as an extreme example of when throttle changes might be obvious in driving data.
Term
floor it
“Floor it” means pushing the gas pedal all the way down. In racing, doing that at the wrong time—like while turning—can make the car lose grip or feel unstable.
Concept
snowball
They mean progress builds on itself. Coaching helps you learn, learning makes you better at coaching, and that keeps improving your results over time.
Brand
iRacing
iRacing is a racing video game/simulator that people use to practice and race online. The speaker is saying they started coaching there before they figured out how to help people improve.
Topic
Gridlife midwest
Gridlife Midwest is a racing event weekend. The host is going there to do time attack, and they mention it’s been a while since they last did Gridlife time attack.
Place
Toledo pro solo
Toledo Pro Solo is a motorsport event the speaker has done before. They’re talking about whether they can attend it and still do another track event because the locations/timing don’t line up.
Topic
time attack
Time attack is racing where you’re mainly trying to set the fastest lap time. Instead of battling side-by-side, you focus on driving the course as quickly as possible.
Topic
track battle
A “track battle” is a racing event where drivers compete on track. The host is describing how they’ll share sessions and entries for that competition.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Corvette ZR1 is a super-strong, track-capable version of the Chevrolet Corvette. Here, the host is saying they’ll drive that specific car during a racing event.
Term
oem exhaust
OEM exhaust is the exhaust system the car originally shipped with from the factory. People talk about it because changing the exhaust can make the car louder and change the sound.
Term
treadwear
Treadwear is a tire rating that gives a rough idea of how long the tire might last. Tires with lower treadwear numbers are usually stickier but wear out faster.
Term
track compound
A “track compound” is a tire rubber formulation intended for road-course use, typically balancing grip with heat tolerance and more sustained performance. Compared with autocross-focused tires, track compounds are often designed to resist rapid wear during longer sessions.
Term
track mod
“Track mod” is a class/rules category used in some time-attack or track-day rule sets that allows certain modifications while still limiting how far cars can be changed. Whether it’s “legal” depends on the specific sanctioning body’s rulebook.
Place
city motorsport park
City Motorsport Park is a race track/venue. They’re saying Emil Tab is racing there in Australia and that you can watch it live.
Car
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
The Mazda Miata is a small two-seat car made for fun driving. People often modify them for racing, so they show up in endurance events where the car has to keep going for a long time.
LIVE
Hello everyone and welcome to the Lizard Brains podcast. I'm your host DJ Alison Dreamy.
I'm joined by my cohost Tom O'Gorman. Tom how's it going? Hello. Hello. I'm doing okay how are you?
I'm doing fantastic at a nice relaxing weekend playing in the woods enjoying some lazy susan
rafting wait lazy susan that's the thing in the kitchen where you like spin stuff isn't it? Yeah
lazy river some lazy river rafting there were there were some rapids and those were indeed fun
but if anything Tom the trip enlightened me that there's like this whole world where there's like
all these like hobbyists where their their hobby is just being outdoors and doing stuff outdoors and
involves kayaking and tubing and mountain biking and hiking and camping and all this
stuff and it's just like every weekend is just filled with like nature stuff because our raft
guide was like he was like super into it and he talked about it a lot. In case you missed it DJ
went whitewater rafting this weekend that's what he's talking about I was going to ask you first
are you sore were you sore? No well I was not physical we went on a 24 mile bike ride
uh we we got we got on a bike path so there's this like apparently there's this bike path
that goes from Pittsburgh all the way to Washington DC and we went on the bike path and we rode to
like the next town and got lunch and then rode back but that was 24 miles so it was like 12 miles
there and 12 miles back I haven't ridden a bike in a while so there's like certain muscles in your
butt that like like sit on the seat and oh my goodness that was that was the worst part Mike
my legs were fine my cardio was fine everything was good my butt was on fire from this stupid
bicycle seat it was dude it was bad. I had the exact same problem when I lived in Wisconsin
there was a it was like a 30 some mile circle in my town and I actually bought a bike when I moved
there and I thought like this will be kind of a fun thing that I can like I could ride the but ride
my bike to the store to ASM I could ride to the trail and then I could do the trail and I decided
to do it one day and when I was at the exact furthest point from my apartment was when my
butt muscles and butt like whatever that is yeah the the inner being sat on was like no done yeah
and it was torture to get back it was horrible and like you said cardio fine leg muscles fine
everything about is fine I'm just like can I please get some other part of like me to support my
weight oh my god dude I would pedal hard and then like side saddle it like we're like my my thigh
was on the seat and I just like sit there and coast for a little while yeah and poor Christine she
she was like gassing out and I was like what is going on like because normally Christine like
honestly normally Christine does better than me in like the like these physical things and
she's like gassing out and I was like something's up so we traded bikes
and her bike was so draggy she had to like pedal hard the whole time and I'm just coasting around
like hardly pedaling and so I rode her yeah dude she was she was wasted by the end of it but um
I rode hers for like I don't know the last like four miles or whatever maybe not even
and I was like okay I'm freaking whipped after like these four miles of this like super draggy
rental bike Christine doesn't have a lot of experience on like bikes so we ride away from
the rental bike place and she thinks it's like oh yeah it's a bike whatever it has two wheels
but I kind of wish I would have rode it and been like nah something's up with this thing like it
shouldn't you shouldn't have to pedal all the time it should coast basically especially when you get
to like a slightly downhill section you should do it be able to just like hang out and chill
so did um did the whitewater rafting hit any this is your first time right yes this is my first
time did it hit any lizard brain for you ever or is it like a totally different genre of activity
for you that outdoorsy stuff you're talking about yeah well so uh speaking of the lizard brain
there's like a combination of me losing my mountain bike on the way from spring nats and
going like I kind of want to replace that because like 12 13 years ago I used to mountain bike all
the time when I lived in michigan um there was just nice trails in in michigan so uh that was like
the thing I did like after work or before work or whatever is I would I would take the mountain
bike and go like ride some trails um and then when I first moved to Ohio I would do that too
I would actually like travel for work and I'd throw like my bike in the back of the
the truck and then wherever I ended up for work I would go mountain biking so I lost that mountain
bike because it escaped on the way home from spring nats it just jumped off the trailer nobody
knows what happened to it um some people it'll be starting to picks our movie in the future yes
some people have a theory that it definitely didn't cause chaos on the highway and somebody got a
looking up mountain bikes and it's like they've changed a lot in the last like
13 14 years and it is a whole rabbit hole and you know what tom it's the same flavor of like
nerd energy when you start getting into the nitty gritty of bikes uh that is like the same it's
like the same as motorsport stuff like the people who are like super nerdy like tend to like
like really get into the weeds of like these parts and this thing and that tire pressure and
this and that and it's it's literally the same tom you can get a $500
bike or you can get a $14,000 bike and it just means that there's more nerd shit on it like that's
all that that means that's all it means and i'm sure there's a sweet spot in there somewhere but
i haven't been able to find it uh this so yeah so bill says that this is basically any activity
yes it is but i um i when when we do like uh like a some exploring in these like other activities
it's kind of fascinating like what people spend their energy on because it's it's the exact same
energy as us in motorsports like we just we spend our energy on all the little details of these
things and and it kind of puts perspective on somebody trying to get into motorsports and
how much they don't know like i didn't know that tubeless tires were a thing do you know that
you know what i'm talking about tom vaguely but honestly this is the type of stuff that i bounce
off of so i'm more curious if the activity itself lit up the like the dopamine chasing lizard
than the the nuts and bolts stuff i don't think white water rafting you know the
stem rig pissed me off i think i would throw my bike over a cliff if i had to deal with that
yeah yeah i get what you're saying i don't think the white water rafting like pulled me in is like
like oh my god um i need to like do that again unless i were i'm planning to go do another river
that's supposed to be way more intense than this last one if it was there were some moments
where if that if those moments were like 15 minutes long or 20 minutes long i'd be like
damn i could see me really enjoying this but the thing is it was like 10 seconds of
like whoo yeah like oh my god this is awesome like wow me paddling when the guide is telling me to
and doing it well actually matters and like that was fun because you felt like you had to like
lack in a little bit because you're like okay it like we don't want to get stuck on this rock
like i better like like go for it right that that felt fun because you had to lock in i think the
the needing to lock in is like part of what is necessary to like really like grab me and like
pull me into it uh so i'm hoping to do a more intense river uh and we'll see how that goes
it didn't feel dangerous at all at any point it was kind of like oh yeah it was like like
worst case scenario i fall out of the boat and i like like go for a little bit of a ride
and maybe i bounce off some rocks like me that would probably suck but i didn't feel like i was
going to die yeah i remember this sim i remember it being similar we went like i said last week
with a group when i was in uh maybe early teens it was kind of like a boy scout trip i think with
my brother and i like you just when when you go with a group like that you just assume nothing bad
is going to happen and it's just like you're along for the ride almost as a kid right yeah
i'd be curious to do it again as an adult yeah you want to go what was the biggest drop you went
over i have no idea i mean maybe like a couple feet oh come on it wasn't you didn't go over any
like five or six foot drops or anything i think the guide said one time that there's a five foot
drop i'm not sure there isn't a hilarious picture because we bought all the pictures afterwards
there's a hilarious picture of all it's me it was me christine and then a father and son that's
who was in the boat and then the guide right there's a hilarious picture we're all like we're all
like crashing down like a waterfall or whatever and all of our faces is like ah this is so much fun
and the guide the guide was locked in tom you could see it in his face he was like super serious in
his face and his arms are all flexed and it's like oh man he was saving us from something right there
none of us had an idea like we none of us knew at all we're just like we
he's literally carrying the ship at that point oh absolutely
i even called him over after i'm like like okay we're all obviously having a lot of fun but like
you're locked it in like what were you doing in here and he's like he's like i was saving our
asses and i was like okay well thank you andy i appreciate that like yeah uh but i wonder what
he had to do like what could possibly what could you as one single person possibly be in control of
in the in this giant dingy in a rapids with everybody else just not doing anything helpful
i want to know i'd be very curious like is he steering it is he slowing it down
yeah well it might be a mix of both because the steering you kind of have to either go forward
or backwards so he might have been like like aggressively going backwards to try to have
the current take us to the right place instead of us like barging into a rock or something
sure yeah it was kind of hard to tell exactly who we were with the context of the picture just
because there was just so much like splash coming up uh it was honestly i'll have to find the picture
and post it in here and when i say in here i mean the discord uh where we have a live audience right
now and if for some reason you didn't know that that was it we never really talk about it anymore
so i feel like we should um we have a discord it's in the description click on it come hang out with
us uh thanks okay so over 800 strong now by the way over 800 dang we passed the 800 lock and i didn't
even notice um i'm with you on the outdoorsy stuff to finish that thought yeah you mentioned that
there's a whole bunch of people that just do that i so the same way that i wish i read books i wish i
was a person that lived that sort of lifestyle because it looks so rewarding fun and rewarding
and yeah fulfilling and like i remember when we were in europe you could just tell it was like
we were hiking on a tuesday and there were locals that were just hiking on a tuesday
up these incredible mountains that we traveled across the world to see because it's in their
backyard and the same thing with um one of my favorite influencers on youtube um is a couple
that lives on this island called svalbard which is in the arctic circle up north of
like scandinavia basically and it's the largest town or the largest island with a population
of more than 2000 people so it's like way remote you have to get there by boat or plane whatever
and their whole lifestyle is that they just like sometimes to take a shower they have to go boil
water uh boil uh boil or melt snow you know they just go outside and they melt snow to make water
for themselves and that's what they bathe with and they snowmobile this time of year and they go on
their boat this time of year and they go hiking this time of year and they ski at this type of
year it's like man that looks so fun but i'm i know i'm an indoor cat i'm just going to sit inside
i know i am so like i i've tried it before and i know that i just default back to like
hanging out inside yeah or or like somewhere where it's just pretty to look and sit it's not my
natural state i wish it was yeah i think it's more your your and christine's natural state is
definitely more outdoor and adventure yeah i think so well i i definitely i like i'm definitely
down for adventures but i'm also just down for like new things um yeah but yeah i i
i uh i i feel like this impending like the sands of time are just like ticking away
and i we only experienced this life once and i just want to do like all the things but then
at the same time i can't pick what i'm obsessed with so it's racing i think we know yeah it's
racing just spoiler alert right um but like there's still these other things that i want to experience
and if like i can experience those things in uh like the benefit of racing then that works so
like all this outdoor stuff is just physical and then the just the better shape you're in the better
you feel the better your brain works the better like everything like works for you um
and like these things are just like a way to be active and have it be fun that's part of the
reason why i'm like looking at these mountain bikes is i'm trying to like find a way
where it's like i i can have exercise be a little bit more fun like right now i uh a couple times
a week i do like what i call a one-mile struggle i don't know if i've talked about this on the
podcast you mentioned it quickly okay yeah so it's a one-mile struggle so like i literally just go
out and run a mile like right when i wake up and it sucks and it's and it's a struggle but i feel
better afterwards like i'm like okay cool i'm awake and like like we can do this it's literally like
i wake up and then 10 minutes later i'm running it's probably not actually probably all that good
for me but but um it's like something that like makes me do the thing right um and doing the thing
is really hard so that's why i was like looking at the the mountain bikes because i was thinking
if i can make this fun then like maybe yeah like maybe this won't this won't suck so hard um but
then i was talking uh to tamra and she was like oh like you have to set a goal or whatever so she
brought up a spartan race and so now apparently i'm doing a spartan race the weekend before solo
nats so this is a call out for anybody who wants to uh to join us it's the it's the philadelphia
spartan race it's in the stadium uh like the i don't know probably where the eagles play or
some other sports team it's in a stadium in philadelphia i don't know which one it is um
and the spartan race is like it's basically like a tough motor it's like we're just gonna do the
we're just gonna do the 5k and it has like 20 obstacles or whatever which is just like monkey
bars and like like walls to jump over and like stuff like that but the thought is is all right i
have this impending thing that i have to do and i want to be able to do it so that should help
motivate like exercise to happen because it's like an impending like well i'm not i'm not gonna
not be ready for that thing so like i i have to do it so if you also want that motivation
and that impending doom or thing uh to to like motivate yourself to just be in a better shape
when solo nats comes around then join us in philadelphia uh on august 29th ass
bill says dj's going to break himself right before nats maybe but like if i train properly i
shouldn't i should be uh like it should be fine i should just be able to do the thing and be like
woo that was fun and then go race at any r the next day so
are you gonna go show up to solo nats on muddy yeah i'm i'm not taking a shower
until i win it's like well i love that for you i i i love the motivation i wish i could relate to
wanting to do any of this stuff i don't want to do it i just feel like it benefits
it's my i get you goals yeah i don't want like i i definitely don't want to that's why i'm like
trying to troubleshoot a way to like want to do it you're making a goal for something you don't
want to do yeah that's what i don't really i don't understand why i know i guess i know why but it
sounds i'll it you sign up for the thing you make the commitment to others that you're going to do
the thing and then you feel like like that's where the motivation comes from it's like an
obligation it's like it's like when you uh clock in for work in the beginning of the day and you
get to work it's like you don't want to do those things but if you have an obligation from some
kind of um like arrangement with money yeah or some i mean yeah i'm giving you money pay definitely
helps clock in in the morning but um but it's also it feels more like an obligation that like a
promise that that you made either to like the team that you work with or whatever that you were going
to clock in and lock in right like so like it's like part of the bargain so if you make an obligation
in the future to do a thing then especially if you're doing it with others so like if you want to
if you want to come do it with us then uh like tell us and and like we'll hold you accountable
and like we'll all be there and we'll do it and i don't know how the groups work or whatever but like
we'll commiserate in our own misery together uh and accomplish a thing together so
we'll see how that goes
um well i had fun this weekend i did commentary for the uh june sprints all weekend we had
18 races nine different race groups they did a 25 minute race and a 13 lap race which was like
32 to 40 minutes depending on the group plus qualifying for all of those groups and luckily
we only did one round of qualifying not both okay but it was a long three days but what my
favorite thing about this and this is something that's very uncommon for activities for me and
maybe it relates a little bit to this but as it was going on there were times it was like man this
is slow or like you know this race group could use a little bit of like actual like fighting and
racing and stuff like that instead of just lapping or or whatever but at the end when we wrapped up
the final day it was like i want to keep doing this i want to keep going this is fun you know so
it was a really good weekend in that sense but there were definitely a lot of just like a lot of
talking and a lot of long days yeah 33 long days but whatever um right because not every
single moment of that is like the thing you want to be doing right in that moment but when the
racing gets good you're like all right there was literally nowhere else i'd rather be right now
but that's not that can't be all the time well even still i think part of the fun of it is you
don't know what's going to happen at any given moment so even the even the races for example the
race that i think the the group that was maybe the least like sit up on your seat and like get up
against the tv and be like stoked was the um the first race for the formula group which was formula
atlantic formula continental they had really good races the top two and three were within each other
within you know site of each other the whole time uh within like a second of each other for
the most part but they never passed each other it was just like following each other around
but you never know when something could happen so you like my my whole thing is like i want to
put someone in the car there or i want to make someone appreciate what's happening right now
in a way that they don't because they've never done this before or they think the same thing that
i just described was like man this race is kind of boring um but in reality it's not um so i feel
like i try to put myself in those shoes but there were a couple things that happened throughout the
weekend that i thought would be interesting talking points for the podcast slash like what would you
do in this situation slash what do you think of this happening kind of thing okay um so the first
take that i have from the weekend is that these like these big pro racing tracks there is the
slack is gone i know people probably know that but the slack for like the the margin for error
that they're willing to give you you being the driver the organization the operator of the event
whatever is not there anymore simply not there and it is still there at some smaller race tracks
like in contrast to when we did our event at halit um like two months ago they were doing
hot poles they were letting cars stay stranded on the side of the track for you know if it was
kind of seemingly okay yeah versus road america road atlanta v ir these tracks boom yellow flag
boom red flag boom black flag like they just they shut it down they do not tolerate it anymore
and i think that club racing and track day organizations or whatever specifically club
racing needs to push drivers to understand that and respond better because we had so many full
course cautions come out because the safety crews started to respond to something that was like a
broken down car or whatever and all of a sudden they were upset with how fast people were driving
by or they were upset with how close people were driving to the safety trucks or whatever
and they would just go full course yellow like they would it's required by the track you don't
get a choice it's not a cca's choice yeah you know whatever and as i'm doing more and more commentary
i'm watching it happen from the outside and i don't know how often people realize that
why the flags come out that way or like what the circumstances was were are around something like
that but i think it's time for all of the organizations as a whole like all of the everybody
to acknowledge like these tracks are not giving you any sort of margin anymore and we have to
like start behaving differently in a way have you seen any of this or it's been a little bit
since you were club racing but does that make sense yeah it does it reminds me a little bit of
some clips that uh Raoul was sharing in the discord of like just some poor behavior
where it's well sure i'll get there to that but so my question was going to be what would you
what would you say to or what do you think some like ways to tell drivers to behave are
see i feel like because i'm having a really really hard time like if the more you try to put a rule
to it or the more you try to put a like definition to how to drive around safety vehicles or how to
avoid full course cautions because of safety vehicles or whatever the harder the more muddy it
becomes yeah and i haven't figured out like what would i say to a group of drivers if i was their
race director and it's like this is a reality this is what will happen if we don't act right
so here's how you act right yeah well first of all i think that you're really good at setting
the tone for stuff like this when it comes to like an event or an organization or something
like this like i think you have so the fact that you're a little stumped is is kind of kind of
surprising to me because normally like you just like i'll feel stumped and then you'll say something
that's exactly what i was thinking like however tom just worded it that like whatever whatever tom
said um but i think you would you would have to say almost like uh don't like don't give them the
impression that they're in danger right because that's why they do it like that's the root cause
is they're like okay we just have to shut this down because like i'm not i'm going to go home to
my family after today like i'm going to make sure that like i i get home right so if at any point
they don't feel like that then that's that's when uh that's when the like the full course
caution has to come out so maybe like it's not so much a rule but a tone set like if you make these
safety workers feel like they're in danger you ruin it for everyone right so yeah and and like maybe
you can't enforce like who's the one that made them feel like they're in danger or whatever or like
like you can't enforce that but i think what you can do is you can set the tone of like
make sure these people know that they're not in danger like whether that involves like
giving them a wave as you go by or like maybe like acknowledge them like some something where
when they look over they see that you have the bandwidth and the headspace to understand
that you're not putting them in risk right yeah because they're they're not they didn't
sign up to be put into risk they signed up to to you know help the races continue you're the
race car driver you're the one that signed up for risk right they they're not participating in your
in your shenanigans right yeah yeah yeah so i i know i think you would just have to do it with
a tone i don't think you could actually write like a rule for it because one people are always
going to play to the edge of like a quote unquote rule and play to the edge of the rule
will just make the safety where chris feel like they're in danger so yeah how do you feel about
like virtual safety car stuff because i agree with you that the without without risking more chaos
you can't really put like words or rules to it the first rule i thought of was like you have to
stay within a half a car with the the opposite side of the racetrack from where the where the
safety trucks are like that's a pretty black and white you could but then people are going
to be slithering to get to that spot and that exactly and then they still feel like they're
in danger yeah right the root cause is this this the safety personnel feels like they're in danger
probably because they are uh and they shouldn't have to feel like that right yeah yeah so there's
some discussion about i mean this is sec a specifically but i think it's pretty plausible
for all orgs at this point to use a local local virtual safety car with a speed limit
in that section of the racetrack which i struggle with because getting people in and out of that
speed zone is really really hard like in my opinion competitively in an environment on a racetrack
there's always one person who's like not doing it effectively enough there's always one person
who slows down too early or takes off too late or like whatever like getting in and out of that
speed zone really frustrates me from like from a lizards perspective yeah well because it's it
would have to be i think if you do like a flag tronics like code 60 or code 30 or whatever
i think the rules would have to be a little bit more like okay from five seconds after you get
the notification if you're not going to speed then like like you get a penalty and um and if you
cause an incident because you missed it and there was a stack up in front of you then you're just
out of the organization like you're just out right so like right because like that's that's the risk
you run and then like that's the card you can play as the driver you're like well i'm not going to
slam on the brakes like there's people behind me right and then they're not slowing down because
they're like well there's some like there's some wiggle room in this flag tronics like 60 30 code
whatever rule and it's like well i'm not gonna slam on the brakes there's somebody behind me so
then all of a sudden there's just a bunch of people behind you also not slamming on the brakes and
everyone just meanders down to an eventual 60 and the slower you actually do that the more
advantage you get like it's it's the feedback loop isn't correct to actually create behavior that's
safe right yeah yeah uh kelsey in the chat made a good point i don't like it for replacing full
course yellow i totally agree that frustrates me to like never have a full course yellow and only
just neutralize the field by making them all go a certain amount of speed but in every organization
so far wrl lucky dog didn't have them did they did lucky dog have a flag tronics in the car do you
remember uh no i don't think they did i don't think they did but champ car and wrl both use it now
and you're right it's just like the code 60 comes out and then you just sort of get to that speed
as slow as possible meaning you stay going as fast as possible for as long as possible to like
cheat the whole system and everybody's doing that so as long as you're not the one doing it the worst
it's fine yeah i don't know complicated topic but okay so to my point it's for jumping off from
this point you said that the people didn't ask to be in danger these people are like out of the
trucks side on the side of the track they're responding to somebody else i've been in most
of those situations i'm like come on you freaking weenies you know like for the most part like
i've either been on the racetrack when i've heard that they're mad about it i'm like we were all
being fine or something yeah but this weekend to to their point yep and they don't the worst
offender of the entire weekend go ahead they like you were all being fine but it might have looked
very similar to an instance where it was not fine right so that's the hard part and this weekend
there was a race group that had there was a local yellow with a car stuck in the gravel at turn one
and the top 10 of the race group came in to that corner having seen the yellow flag for as long as
you can see it from the front straight down at turn one and of the 10 somehow three of them
hit each other and one of them got stuck in the gravel trap with the other car that the other the
safety crews were already responding to oh my god and it's probably the most irritated i've ever
been while i'm commentating a sear a thing and i'm trying so hard if anybody watched it actually
tell me if i how i walked that line because i want to be honest and i also want to be
i like blunt commentators for the most part i'm okay being the blunt commentator but i don't
want to cross the line yeah so i was definitely like so i just could not believe like we literally
had the opportunity to finish this race they were responding under local yellow and i can't believe
that not even like someone the top group of cars yeah literally the best the best in the field
yes we're crashing and what are we even doing so i agree with you like comp license out revoked
like you need to go back to de you need to go like basically you need to restart you should
not be in a competition environment if you can't handle that scenario if the risk of of hurting
somebody else is not enough risk for you to like calm it down for like like five seconds in the race
then maybe the risk of you not doing the thing at least with that organization will play into
your calculations of is this worth it right yeah so that's where i'm like okay so we can be like a
corner workers are weenies and liability and da but i mean i know rhod Atlanta had
a fatality for a corner worker recently in the last five years this just happened this weekend so
like turning away customers can't be a thing club racing is never going to do that but also like
the reality of the world we live in now at racetracks is that they are going to do the safety
the safest thing possible at the expense of everything else so like how do you walk that line with
i guess we kind of already answered it because it's kind of ties back into the like how do you
give driving standards to people but also how do you handle those consequences even i don't think
think about this from a perspective of like running a racetrack let's say you're the manager of like
all these track workers and so like you're making the shots and your job is to make sure that your
employees are happy safe and then they come back for work the next time right so if the safest
way like the safest thing to happen is where you just like nope full course caution full
course caution this helps my employee retention right that means i don't have to train new personnel
all this stuff right if that just becomes like the default like conservative safe option then
that's just what that's what will always happen everywhere all the time and these these managers
of tracks they're communicating with each other so like one track will be like yeah we're having
issues so now we just full course yellow everything it starts to become like a solution
so yeah yeah so i it's not even i right now i'm talking to uh like the racers it's not even just
your current situation it's the current situation for all racers everywhere don't be the guy that
screws it up don't tilt the scales in the wrong direction by being an absolute hooligan now i will
say this tom in some gldc races we did there was a car at mid ohio do you remember when jensen broke
and he was at the apex of the turn into uh into thunder valley i slowed down because that is a
reasonable thing to do you know what happened everyone behind me was right on my bumper and
we left that thing yeah i slowed down nobody else did so now for the for the next whatever
you know four or five laps that the car was still there uh you couldn't slow down because
you would lose whatever gap that you just built to like everything behind you right that's so
that's where the conversation me gets really interesting from a competitor's perspective
we're having a rules conversation as lizards i'm the first one to push these limits i have
absolutely been the person that doesn't slow down under caution in fact i'm probably the first one
to be like i'm completely fine and i am completely fine right like i'm in control of the car i see
the other incident like there's the the assessment that i've done with my experience and skill level
is probably true like i am fine but in a bigger picture you zoom out for like an organization's
perspective how do you help people not lose their competitive because that happened this
weekend a couple times there were there were people who would slow down more under caution than
others and they would gain advantages and that that's incentivized really yeah yeah how do you
de-incentivize that from the organizer so that the lizards also don't feel like they're just being
like handcuffed to a pole and not being allowed to brace i don't know man it's so tough i don't
think there is an elegant solution i feel like there's plenty of smart people that have thought
about this and they haven't came up with the solution if we just like happen to come up with
the solution on the podcast what does that say about like all the other people you know what i mean
like we're so smart oh my god guys it's so simple um yeah i just i don't think there's a good solution
here i i don't think you can write the rule i don't think i think it just has to be done with um
like the tone and yeah the like the you know the setting expectations for what is expected right
yeah yeah i mean in my experience i think people are really good at meeting the bar that you set
for them like we've done not that this is the same exact thing but we've done some sim races where
we're like we are asking a lot of these people remember like multi-class at laguna seca with
all these crazy cars in the field and all this but everyone handled it really really well but we
foresaw the issues we we verbalized them we said these are the things that are not acceptable
not being aware of a car coming up on you is not acceptable that is a completely fine thing to
say in drivers meeting i think and that sets the bar that that kind of that is not acceptable
i was i'm curious if that i would hope that more and more organizations do that i guess to avoid
this the other thing i noticed was that people absolutely suck as a whole at foreseeing when
stackups are going to happen this is under full course yellow but also race starts again people
are horrible at it and i don't understand you know what this is that issue exactly but it's the same
reason that no one can handle on the highway you know like one person hits their brakes and then
three hours later it's total gridlock i think it's just the butterfly different yeah ebb and flow
you know what it is because if you get enough reps at like racing with packs of cars you
like you'll just you'll see it happening because you've seen it enough times a lot of times you're
saying me versus someone less experienced no i'm just saying like somebody who gets enough
experience like racing in packs of cars what happens a lot with the like this is this was a
big this was like the spring gnats of scca road racing right so this is like the biggest classes
that these drivers have seen probably since the runoffs last year right so like the the packs of
cars were the packiest that they've been since last year in september right or october or whenever
that race happened so it's been a long time since they've seen that so they haven't had the reps of
how packs of cars maneuver and react to each other and how it how it does stack up so i think
you were just seeing rust like with people being like really bad at that they're just not getting
the reps because the regional races tend to spread out more and there's less packs yeah maybe so the
specific one they popped up all week and long was um we're at road america right so put yourself
there you're coming out of the final corner the right hander turn 14 there's like what a half a
mile to the start finish line something it's like a long way to the finish line and there's this big
hill that climbs like five stories so you can't see the start finish line it's all uphill and with
these bigger packs of cars like anything more than 10 rows so like anything more than 20 25 cars
the the second half of the field would be rushing to catch the the the pair the paired up pack or
what do you call it yeah the pair like for the race for the green yeah so the first 10 rows are
all kind of like perfectly neat and then it's a more and cars coming
in faster and then they're going uphill where they can't even see when the green
flag comes out so they don't know if the race has started yet and then the worst one was like 50 60
cars there's just people coming in full tilt just full full throttle over the hill into like the
green flag hasn't waved yet yeah and i remember as i'm watching this happen obviously there's
nothing we can do about it we're just watching it on camera unfold and i'm just like please don't
crash please don't we had like three or four close calls this weekend
but there have been crashes before the green flag at the runoffs at this track in the past
in the past two years like multiple times where people don't have the foresight and i think it's
because i don't i see i struggle to blame people with that because you can blame rest but if you
never been to road america and it's your race for the championship or for the day or whatever
like your default state is to catch the pack like that's the most important thing to you yeah
but i think if they had if there was some advice or given or some notes given like
this is what happens at this section of the racetrack it's again i'll use my line it's not
acceptable to catch the pack at a closing rate of speed that becomes dangerous yeah
yep something like that you said and i think that that could be actually given for yellow
flag conditions or certain fly certain conditions under yellow like for example i'll go to barber
when you come out of turn two and three at barber and you this big right hand carousel you're going
downhill it opens up you could just flat out and then you go uphill over this blind crest to the
right and that's turn four yep under yellow flag there no matter what happens it's the field will
string out down the hill string out up the hill and then the next corner is a hairpin so there
will be a bunch of cars parked and like basically stopped over turn five and the bigger the field
is the worse it gets yep but i'm still i'm i'm realizing i've never heard anybody like verbalize
that to anybody or maybe say in the driver's meeting like hey this is something that happens
under full course in this section of the racetrack it's not acceptable for that to happen don't let
that happen yeah just like raise the bar for people a little bit i i feel like uh the the
gamemanship of having like a roll on a start is nullified completely when it's you will be dequeued
if you had a roll on the car in front of you and you used that to pass them before turn one
like that it's like if you pass them because they mess up all fair game though they missed a shift
pass them right like you left at the same speed and like for some reason your car was just faster
than them pass them but if you had a roll on them and that allowed you to pass them dequeued
sure there was even one this was like full lizard there was a guy in a formula v he was at the
front of the field so he got to set the pace for his like he couldn't get past
duh okay so they're under full course yellow the first formula v is in the race group with
formula fords formula f's like formula 1600s and he knew that those cars would accelerate away
faster when the green flag came out so he i could tell he started accelerating and even
started to pull out and like create overlap with the formula 600 1600 in front of him so that when
that car went full throttle he didn't complete the pass but he had a run on the cars behind him
so that he didn't get swamped that is full and i'm like that's so genius but also if that goes
wrong man holy shit yeah like that that car misses a gear the green flag doesn't quite come out when
you expect it to come out look i think i've told the story on the podcast before but let me tell
a quick story about tom agorman in a 24 hour race we were doing at datona on iracing oh yeah
so we're racing gt3 this was a while ago so there was there was prototypes gte which is
like a faster car with doors and then gt3 which is what we were racing it's still a really fast
car but not quite as fast as gte the way iracing does makes class starts is like really actually
kind of crazy and it's just kind of goes it's like an honor system of whoever's on pole position
and tom was on pole position in the in the gt3 cars and oh yeah he's he's trying to time up like
when he leaves like because he doesn't want to react to the green flag because then he loses his
advantage of a pole position so he wants to leave a little early right so he has a big gap to the cars
in front of him and he's like counting it down okay okay okay all right they're gonna get the green
flag soon and he goes oh what tom didn't know is that the prototype leader didn't also start his
race and get like an advantage by like leaving early to like make the green flag trigger on
and so what ends up happening is tom passed every single well so tom has his full head of steam it
does go green and he literally just drives past all of the gte cars there's gt3 cars it's absolutely
chaos they're running into each other tom wiggles through all of it he's like in like second or
first place of the gte cars by the time we get to turn one and tom completely won out and everyone
was dead and we went off and won that race total havoc it was absolute pandemonium but
it totally worked out for us and it was not on purpose yeah i got nervous to your point i didn't
want to like find out the green flag came out second when i'm on pole so i just started
to go and it felt like it was i felt like forever like waiting okay i gotta go and then i bring
the whole field with me at 160 into the next wave whatever it was bad but i i think to i racing uh i
think they finally i haven't really looked into the latest update the last update came out yesterday
i think they added multiple pace cars or maybe they're planning on doing it so each each class
will have its own race start which is like rick and finally i racing like what have we been doing
this whole time like oh my because the current system has way too many tom agormans in it so
yeah it just gets pretty chaotic yeah i didn't really have a finishing point on that whole
thing but i watched it happen so much this weekend i'm like that's a whole that's another thing that
all of us can do better you know yeah like all of us as motorsports as grassroots motorsports
can do better i know we get people who obviously are like group leaders not group leaders what's
the word where you're like uh you're influential to your group uh group leaders uh the cool guy in
paddock the cool person yeah we have a lot of cool guys in paddock the role model even some
people who are in charge of events i think matt martin listen to this so think about those things
matt martin hit it he said role model
bot leader no thought leader thought leader is what i'm thinking of yeah yeah yeah i don't
know what bot leader is sean but thought leader is probably correct bot leader is after the
after the lobbyists get to him before the v lobbyists yeah you know what we really need here
guys we need some uh uh passport motor mounts we hold one up like van away
okay and then the last thing from this weekend that we with that we both agree we want to talk
about was from that video in discord yeah uh so raoul uh won a nasa race this weekend
raoul's uh listener the podcast a friend of the podcast of congrats raoul but he was sharing some
video of a particular driver and we're not going to name him that just was like
this person was totally content with just crashing if raoul did not get out of the way
and we were talking before the podcast started how that is just like so insane that you
would even find out that this would work like in in a sense where you're like well i'm just gonna
turn in they always get out of the way well at some point they're not and then what you just crash
like that's so that is like such a lunatic way of driving a car and
people are guessing we're not going to confirm or deny but it seems like people are very confident
who it is um but it's just it's like absolutely insanity to just make somebody decide that you
don't crash for more context this is a person who's been uninvited from other series for bad
behavior and creating crashes very much along these lines so my question my jump off point
and i know like we don't say this for drama i think it's an interesting conversation point even
though it can be taken as drama but it's what do you do with somebody who is consistently
on a different page than everybody else right i don't know he's like this a person who's on a
different page they they're like they're willing to create certain certain situations around them
where somebody else has to it becomes someone else's problem to make it a clean race you know
yeah what do you do with someone like that i don't i really don't know i get i get emotional
and i don't really know how to handle this type of stuff if they you know i get emotional even
if i'm not involved i'm like just kick them out that's my first gut response i'm like i don't
know if you can even back to running leagues at the go kart track when i was in charge of that
there were there were people who like they could not learn that they were
creating the problems for themselves yeah we you see these people where it's like the like
they're not the issue but they're always caught up in the stuff right kick them out yes yeah so
okay so let me give you a challenge for your coaching this person
you're seeing it happen what do you say i think do you say anything yeah well okay
okay
i it depends like if it's happening like on an instinctual level like if this is like the
natural response to like fighter flight i don't know if you can coach that out now if it's just
a misunderstanding of what's expected and like there's some openness to like okay yeah i understand
how like that wouldn't work and unless somebody literally just gets out of my way and that's
not fair to them and that's not fair to anybody that i'm racing against and that's not actually
how this competition works right then yeah there's hope but if if it's like an instinctual like
this is just the baseline and it's uncoachable i don't know like maybe like you kind of like show
them oval racing and you go like look at this yeah like hmm this might be more of your flavor
i don't know and i don't i don't mean to talk crap about uh oval racing but it just seems like
yeah yeah like in oval like like contact is a little bit more just like kind of part of the
it's kind of part of the deal but like at least for for uh club racing like road racing kind of
motorsports contact is not part of the deal like that's that's not part of the competition it's not
it's actually don't think everybody would agree with us on that even though we agree on that
yeah you know what those people are the problem not us i do tend to agree with you
but then we're just out of stalemate i don't really i'm trying to think of what i would
genuinely do in a in a like non-emotional feedback just like how would i help this person what i
assume happens is that they're it feels like they're operating at a bandwidth that they can't
really like handle like you said fight or flight they're like their vision's very small almost red
misty right they're just yeah they're just grasping at every advantage they can possibly get
without being able to zoom out and maybe i would start that conversation there i would ask a lot
of questions yeah you're like what was in your mind you know when you change lanes three times down
the back straight why did you change lanes here why did you change lanes here why did you you know
make them really verbalize and think out and just see if i can maybe help them what if their answer
yeah what if their answer was i'm racing man that's what's scary to me yeah
so looks like i don't know what so so then you challenge them what on okay so
you're racing at the expense of the other person
yeah how does that make you feel go therapist on him but here's the thing
i think like i think that behavior that's like unfixable uncoachable like in the instances where
it is unfixable and uncoachable i think it's evidence of like some actual uh it's not um i'm
drawing a blank on a sociopath i think it's like actual evidence of a sociopath and you're not
going to be able to like they can fake empathy right but they don't actually feel it they don't
actually like well at the expense of their race who cares i'm winning right like that would be like
it can't even compute that like yeah at the expense of their race we're competing against
against each other like that would be the like where it goes to and i took a picture
me and christine were um i forget where we were but there was like one of those little book huts
where it's like like take take a book leave a book kind of thing oh sure and i took a picture of it
because i meant to read it um and i read it for like like 15 minutes and i was like dang i definitely
need to read this book but the the book was like kind of explaining that sociopaths are all around
us and you can't really spot them but what i'm saying is in the racing like lens sometimes it's
kind of easy to spot them that's what i'm saying yeah i think there's there's something to that
for sure like i there are i think the remorse thing is the key yes right because i've had
moments where i'm like maybe that was borderline sociopathic behavior but then like i know i then
the one that i always think of right away is at mid ohio and gltc i thought i had to
finish at x position to win the weekend and i actually had to finish x minus one so i could
finish like seventh instead of sixth and andy smetagard was sixth and i like basically muscled
him off the racetrack and raced him like a complete asshole and to get sixth and at the end of the
race i couldn't even look him in the face because i felt so bad about it i like basically i didn't
hit him but i pushed him off the racetrack when we were side by side i started like making these
like lungy pokes and stuff at him and as soon as the adrenaline cleared my system i was like
i am a horrible person i feel horrible i feel so bad about what i just did i can't even look him in
the in the eye but i you know that's the difference uh the other anecdote it makes me think about
and you're gonna have to coach somebody like this eventually just so you know that's why i
can't ask you um i i had this happen once when i was coaching i forgot if i told the story i'll
make it short but it was when i was subbing for ketten in radical cup and i was coaching this
guy in an sr10 and he was racing for the podium he was third wrote america just through the kink
and he's following second and you know how the cars fade left to right a couple times naturally in
that section yep well the person in front of him faded right to open up the approach for the
braking zone at canada corner which obviously you end up back on the left he saw that as
the doors opened for me to go to the left and he stayed committed to go to the left for so long
that the other person then came across the racetrack to then break and broke and my person
that i was coaching just cleared him out i think i've shown you the video i have completely wrecked
him and dumped him at like 160 miles an hour and the guy went straight off in canada corner and into
the wall and all this i don't see this happen but i'm on the radio with him and all i hear is he
blocked me he blocked me that guy in front of me blocked me and then he comes out of the canada
corner section and i get back into my view and he's by himself come to learn he there was an accident
whatever so we pull the video and it hits my brain like as it happens i'm like
i don't believe him when he's like he blocked me like something about it i don't
believe him so i pulled the video as fast as i could i started watching it right away and sure
enough the guy just like frickin wrecked the other guy yeah so i'm sitting in the room with him
and he still believes to his core that he's in the right and i know from a hundred percent of my
like every fiber of my being by being that he's wrong and he's probably going to get in trouble
and there's no way you can convince him yeah so then the conversation goes into
how do i help him understand that without just being like you're wrong yeah i think some coaches
would but i maybe that's really not my style i was also scared because he's like just a rich
guy that i don't know very well and i assume that he's not going to take this feedback very well
yeah and he did actually end up kind of getting to the like he didn't really admit fault but he
did accept blame yes he he could understand the difference between those two to his part in how it
played out yes and i tried to make it all about like his his root misunderstanding obviously it's
not malicious or whatever his root misunderstanding is just realizing that the guy's taking his natural
line down that straight away and the fact that he faded right doesn't just give you the right to go
to the left because you weren't there yeah and he's going to come back to the left you know you're
still fully behind him you don't get the right to do anything yeah exactly fading to the right and
fading to the left anyway um road course racing stuff to think about this week on elizabeth's
podcast i don't know if there's any takeaways from that but no uh well maybe i here's the takeaway
if you spot a sociopath on the racetrack maybe take that into account when you're racing that person
yeah i think that's the worst worst reality is you kind of just live with it sometimes yeah
sometimes you just have to be like okay this is the nature of like what we're uh what we're dealing
with here i really need to start a sociopath petition where everybody can sign and at some point
x number of votes they're off the island i wonder i wonder if being a sociopath is on a spectrum
no nothing maybe i'm gonna google what sociopath actually means it it's literally like you lack
remorse like you you can't feel uh empathy or like um like your actions having impact on others
doesn't cause you any kind of grief yeah lack of empathy remorse manipulation impulsivity
disregard for rules honestly you're kind of nailing that one oh me exactly what it is as a
as a person oh thanks tom no no no yeah we've had this is actually an intervention episode 203
the intervention well here's the here's the thing so like you you you pulled out an example of you
having sociopath behaviors when like the adrenaline is up and like and then you have regrets afterwards
which i think indicates that you're not uh and i felt i felt the same way when like the adrenaline's
up like you're just kind of like well we're competing and then immediately after you go oh no
what oh i have regrets like and then it's sometimes even uh like like i have these regrets in
iracing i don't think i've done this anybody in real life i'll literally let him buy i'm like i don't
nope you you go like i don't want any part of that like i am ashamed of myself i will race you
now how i actually want to race you not like whatever i just did to you i'm like like i'm
like iking away from it right yeah um but i wonder if it's on a like a spectrum like is there like
some is there some sociopathness that like like gets unlocked out of out of me when the adrenaline
is up and then like if there's a percentage of sociopath like maybe some of that
percentage like actually lives and like like in different amounts and like all of us or whatever
because i'm sure it is on some kind of spectrum of some sort and then like a full-blown clinically
sociopathic person is just like incapable of like they're just 100 like so i don't know curious
i think it also comes out when you're at a disadvantage slash uncomfortable with your
standing slash position whatever yes you know more like on a metal level like if you if you
know you don't have the fastest car you're more likely to do something like this if you know
you're probably going to get passed or if you know that insert whatever disadvantage you think
you might have i think it's more likely to come out than i'm thinking of like when the last time
i might have seen you do anything like this is and it's i can't think of anything even close to
recent because you're so like legitimately fast in the scale of iracing i'm talking iracing you're
so legitimately fast that you don't have to like i feel like pull out the stops yeah that would
maybe do some things that people don't like being completely honest like this well so i did i did
kind of dirty thomas later the other day in an iracing race because i was i was in second and
me and thomas were side by side in the corner and first was up there and i thought i cleared him
but in hindsight i don't know how i thought i cleared him so like there was somewhere in my
brain that's just like if i don't get on the throttle now and shove thomas off the racetrack i
lose this race and what did i do i got on throttle i shoved thomas off the racetrack he went in the
gravel he lost like two spots and i went and won the race but at the expense of thomas right like
so that because that's what i'm saying like it lives it lives somewhere in there and i did feel
bad that i was like oh crap like my bad behavior like cost thomas like two positions or whatever
and really we should have just been fighting for second for the rest of the lap but like
i don't know like it i think i think it does live in there somewhere um that's why i'm curious like
like like i definitely do feel i feel like i'm outing myself as a sociopath right now
i definitely feel remorse okay everyone listening to this i definitely do it's not faked um
but yeah like it it sometimes does uh like this like like like behavior at the expense of others
to like benefit yourself like it comes out sometimes and it never feels good um another
example of like when you're when you're feeling like you're at a disadvantage is i remember there
was a race where i was sticking with somebody just because i was in their draft and we came
across traffic and the traffic was not in my favor and i just like was an asshole to the traffic
because like i didn't have the pace to keep up with the person so like i felt like i needed
to do this in order to still have a chance in the race right so you're right when you are at
like feeling like under or like at a disadvantage you're more prone to like make these terrible
choices that are like at the expense of others so you're right about that when when you feel like
you have plenty of pace you feel like you have more options of like what you're going to do
when you feel like you're you don't have like this uh this pace to like make up for
inopportune moments then you tend to take more risk and do more uh like scumbag behaviors so yeah
so that's the that's the way you handle this when the next time you see somebody listener
behaving this way you go to them and say why do you feel so small right now
what are you uncomfortable about what do you feel at a disadvantage
no are you that would go horrible are you slower than the others and now you're
now you're mean on the racetrack yeah oh dang it a horrible joke to end a productive conversation
uh all right um was there that was basically the stuff that we want to talk about you want to
i'll hit the button emails all right you got one queued up already
there's so many good ones i'm trying to pick one okay i think we might have
skipped a couple of pins anyway we'll just start at the fresh uh this is from taylor question for
the lizard leaders at large i guess that's us if someone is doing too much to get the car moving
around on the limit how do you convey that less is more in a tangible and practical way
we've all heard that smooth is fast but blindly slowing down everywhere to fix the over driving
also nerfs the under driving even more i think that i'm currently in a cycle of overworking the car
to get it moving chasing it all over the limit and not placing it well allocating bandwidth
to stay on top of the car and not towards looking as far ahead as possible then dialing it back with
other elements because now i'm gun shy so the car doesn't pivot or move with the momentum
as it's under the limit ultimately leaving time on the table either way
what's the best way to see this cycle early and end the cycle in practice big things
first of all taylor i think your question shows that you've had a lot of thought and put a lot
of troubleshooting into your own uh driving so i think you're already like heading in the right
direction for me the approach here is to just concentrate on accuracy rather than like over
and under driving uh you you concentrate on the accuracy of having the tire at its specific
amount of slide or stretch or angle or whatever um and that will lead to just first of all the
smoother driving um without the under driving is at least that's how i how i focus on it i focus
on like the accuracy of how i have the car moving the accuracy of the placement the accuracy of uh
how i'm moving the weight around like that's that's the thing i focus on is just the
the just the overall accuracy of it all what about you tom
it's a great question i the first thing i'm thinking of i'll just kind of talk it out loud
as i process it is i try to maybe pay attention to
i don't want to say what percentage maybe but what amount of time what percentage
percent of like how much over the limit the the car is um and where i think where is the most
important thing okay explain because if you're if you're over driving the car there can be all
sorts of different things right but the for example if you're over driving entries enough that you
can really pay attention to when does the car come back to me maybe is the question to ask
and then really pay attention to how far over that limit you had been so like don't necessarily
try to go in with an approach to fix the problem that you know you're attending to have at this
moment but you're trying to find a way to observe it as quickly as possible and get rid of it as
quickly as possible so that's where i'm trying to think like if i'm if i'm for example consistently
coming off the brakes too late and dealing with an understeer until the car comes back to me the
grip the tire grips back up or an example you like to use with the abs if you're in the abs of the
car for you know the corner entry under braking and then you pay attention to how long it takes
the car to get out of abs to actually do what you need to do because if you're if you're buried in
the pedal and you like start pulling like 10 pounds 20 pounds 30 pounds and it's the same
behavior now your brake release is uh not exactly where you expect it to be like when the behavior
yeah and it could be like changing it could be more more like you don't have to even put numbers
to it but that's where i'm kind of going with how i fix that is if i'm if i'm paying attention to
when the start the car starts to do what i really actually wanted it to do i think getting it to do
that on the first try or the next try i guess is the better way to put it
is is where i'm going with it i lost my train of thought no no i i see where you're going it's
like so like i'm i'm saying like focus on accuracy and you're saying focus on when the car is doing
what you want it to do uh and like and when it's not doing what you wanted to do how far away were
you from that yeah and then you can you can basically and and you get to it with repetitions
because really like at the end of the day we're driving the car like we can think about the
physics and the inputs and all this thing we can think about this stuff it's really hard to do that
when we're driving it's really like down to the sensations that we're feeling
so lock into the sensations of when the cars at probably the appropriate amount of the limit
and then notice when you're not at that and and judge how far away you are from what the
appropriate sensation in the car is yeah i think that's a good way to to sum up what i mean
i know taylor's probably asking this question mostly related to autocross so i'm thinking of like
the amount of hustle that stays in the car throughout the autocross run the amount of
weight transfer that happens and the the lack of time where the car is not really doing much yeah
right you're not you're not just like sitting and driving in a straight line hardly ever
so i'm trying to think of it from that context and that can be really difficult to process
like when did the car start to do what i wanted to do that's a really abstract thing to think about
just where my mind went the first time i agree with your thought about the accuracy thing you
like uh i also don't i think smooth as fast is a misnomer for what the car needs to be smooth
but your inputs don't need to be no they don't need to be exactly if it looks as long as the
outside then that's smooth enough it doesn't need to feel or be or like it doesn't need to feel smooth
like in your hands or in your feet ass in the seat like that doesn't need to be smooth
the way that the tire is interacting with the surface needs to be smooth
right yep but it's so easy to like i think an experienced autocrosser who has yet to
you know a good autocrosser who's chasing great maybe is a like just use that as a vague example
they know they need to go fast so they're trying to get to going faster than they are currently
going at all times yeah and sometimes that's to their detriment because they break too late or they
you know get back to throttle too early and it feels faster and feels good in the moment to
keep your speed up at that split second but maybe staying off the throttle and not going to a fluffy
throttle was actually faster yeah in in my experience when somebody is just a little bit off pace from
like the greats it's just a mistake here and a mistake there and then the rest of the run looks
completely fine like that's that's literally the difference it's not like
they're behind everywhere it's just like a difference of approach or like a little thing
that they probably passed off as like that was an ideal i'm going to keep going right it's like
those little moments and things that the person that is beating you didn't have or they had other
ones but like it was damage controlled better better it's not that they're just out there just
driving faster because they're playing with the same physics that that you are it's just they're
executing on the placement and the game plan better than you are and also like
difference of approaches and like uh like they might have read the course a little differently
and stuff like that but like getting your hands on that data to be like okay here is the like
223 maybe even one spot where i lost time why why did i lose the time was it was it
a difference of approach did i like what could i have executed better to not make that mistake
right like those are the things that i would concentrate on troubleshooting and uh i think
that's what's gonna yield uh the best results to closing that gap is trying to understand
why did you make the mistake why did you lose time in this spot what could you have done
differently whether it was during the course walk or uh you know your adjustments in between runs
or just like the whole overall process like try to like lock in on the thing that made that mistake
or that different approach happened differently and try to troubleshoot your way out of whatever
that was yeah good question difficult question i hope that was somewhat helpful taylor yeah
i think i think you're asking the right questions taylor to to go from good to greatest
to the best did i literally the best all right i got another one you ready yeah i'm ready it's a
bit of a long one this is a great question though this is from noa i hope this is an acceptable
question i've been battling this for a bit so i wanted to ask hey fellas a bit of what feels
like a quote unquote taboo question to be asking in a public forum but uh how did you decide you
were good enough to be doing private coaching and how did you decide what to charge and i would add
to this question how did you decide it's okay to start instructing or you were experienced enough
the context of this question i've been instructing novices and coaching friends experience and
inexperience to like um as my way to get to the track due to financial constraints this year
i've been putting in great effort to my approach as i feel this is the process of teaching itself
as i feel the process teaching itself is a great skill i'm happy to say i've been quite proud of
the results i've even received good reviews and have turned down offers for tips and payment which
has led me to think of doing this for real my driving background isn't spectacular i try hard to do
to get better consistently i've been going to the track for a little over three years
a couple of dozen track days i've competed in time attack my sim racing i do a lot of
sim racing i'm currently around 4000 i rating etc etc just giving him all this background
kind of consolidating here uh sure i can help a novice to learn the basics and become faster
or even safer but i've also been able to help my faster friend find the faster lines for the car
adjust their inputs to match etc but i often feel i'm not doing anything more than being
another perspective to bounce their ideas and interpretations from i'm quick but i'm not that
quick in the grand scheme of things but i do love helping and teaching others not sure how to
approach this the last thing i want to do is take someone's money in an already expensive hobby and
not provide the value they're looking for and i don't want to be stressed about this so much
that i don't enjoy it and therefore don't enjoy provide a good product it's a great question so
whether money's involved or not what does this make you think of okay so there was one part in
his question uh he says he says in his question i often feel i'm doing nothing more than being
another perspective to bounce ideas and interpretations from that is coaching you got there that's
literally that's literally thing like that the and just going off of the last question where
you're just like you try to find the thing and troubleshoot the thing or whatever you're just
another brain doing that for that person that's what coaching is you're you're just like you're
identifying the thing and you're troubleshooting it together um it's not it's not like you have this
un like this like no all presence and you you know all the things nope you're just another brain
that is inquisitive inquisitive and curious about why is that time missing and you ask questions and
you uh you you get you try to dig into um and find the root cause of why this stuff exists
or why it keeps happening or this or that or whatever and you're just a person to help them
troubleshoot these identified issues
that i mean that's yes okay so all that's a nutshell right yeah um so i'll share my experience a
bit i i struggle with this a lot i've also talked on the recently that i i don't do a lot of coaching
or any right now because it i just don't mesh with it very well in some of these ways uh a very
interesting thing happened when i started coaching and advertising it and putting money to it and
saying i'm i'm available for hire yeah people who i had never coached and our friends with started
telling and talking about how great of a coach i am and i was like i've not been doing this for
very long i've certainly never coached you how do you like you're you're just you're kind of blowing
smoke right to to hype me up which is greatly appreciated and cool but it also made me it
initially it hit me as like uh like what if i don't meet those expectations yeah those expectations
that these people are now like they're hyping me up and they're pumping and um
so and i i hate the the money transaction part of it like all of the there are a lot of the reasons
that he's highlighting here are reasons that i bounced off of coaching not because i don't
think i'm a good coach but the other parts of it i in my experience a lot of coaches
don't have that problem and they don't think much of the monetization pro pro process and they
don't think much of the maybe that's not giving them a lot of credit but it doesn't you know it
doesn't hit them the same way so i would say if it's if it's hitting you about like the monetization
part of it or the not experienced enough part of it or no let's i want to get to that second if
the monetization the business part the advertising like that stuff's a different thing to think about
if it's experience level that one's a little bit harder i think because to dj's point there isn't
there isn't an amount of knowledge that you know that makes you worth having a coat or being able
to be a coach if you can ask the right questions if you can be another brain for that person in
theory you can be an effective coach for literally anybody but you do need to have a in my opinion i
think better coaches have a wider experience of just past experience and knowledge that they can
pull from to shorten that process up as much as possible when possible
so there's no right answer really but i'm trying to think through like you know if if you're limited
on the raw pace of a car that you've driven it might be a lot harder for you to coach somebody
in an unlimited time attack car or a gt3 radical if your experience is club tr and sunday
cup yeah just pulling random shit out of my head right or if you never driven on racing slicks
and all of your experiences on street tires again you could be a completely effective coach for
people most of the time but there's probably also information you don't know that you also now are
in the learning process with that other person yeah i don't know i'm going with this but i'm
trying to make the point that there's like there's no right or wrong answer but there is a point where
you i think i think if you're questioning whether you know enough you're probably asking the right
question but also you probably know at your core that there are maybe when maybe there are jobs or
people that you should give the caveat i always try to give the caveat like i've not given this
type of car i've not driven this tire i've not but i'm going to start to ask questions about this
and we're going to work through it together yeah okay so that's what i was going to say is is i don't
i think what sometimes happens with coaches is that they'll act like they
have more experience in something than they do but the better thing to do is to just
you just and and maybe this maybe this works against like me getting coaching clients but you
just go like i like exactly like i don't have the experience in that but we can figure that out
together right and maybe what they think that they're looking for is somebody who knows it all
right or at least somebody that portrays that they know it all but i think that's disingenuous
because at the end of the day none of us know it all like we like there's there's no all telling
being of driving that just like knows exactly what needs to happen at every given moment and
they can just explain it to you and now you understand that doesn't exist so like anybody
who's presenting them this they're themselves in that manner i feel like it's a little disingenuous
now i think there is some simpler things that maybe could be like pretty pretty cut and dry
but like what i knew you're gonna ask and i was like crap i better come to the spot i'm sorry yeah
i was like i'm crap i gotta come up with an example um like uh like for example like fluff and throttle
like there's no instance unless it's just for the stability of the car that we should just
be like hanging around mid corner like partial throttle there's just like there's no there's
not just there's other ways that we could approach that corner uh like that's just cut and dry um
unless partial throttle is like you're digging and carving out of the corner on the outside rear
tire all the way to the edge of the race track and you got like a thousand horsepower then sure
i guess it would look show up in the data like partial throttle but also you can't
you can't really ever floor it and if you do it's probably a mistake like i'm thinking like you've
driven autocross cars where every time you like actually floored it you're like crap i screwed up
like yeah yeah where there's no fast you do a whole day without barely going full throttle
exactly yeah yeah and it's like anytime you actually did floor it it was a mistake you're
like aww dang it so yep like i'm not talking in those instances i'm talking um i think people
know what i'm talking about so yeah uh yeah in in terms of um i think with limited experience
i think it it creates limited coaching but that coaching brings you more experience which then
can open up the coaching a little bit more and more experiences it's a little bit
of a snowball like as you coach you get more experience that experience opens you up for
more coaching opportunities and then it snowballs from that and then you got to start somewhere
when i first started coaching on iRacing i didn't i like i was quick in iRacing but i
didn't really understand how to help help people improve and i would charge 20 bucks an hour
and i would keep them there as long as like i would i almost held them hostage tom it'd be
like 23 hours and we'd just be digging into iRacing and then at some point i was like
this is dumb like after the first hour like they're freaking spent anyways and also i'm like
throwing way too much information at them like it needs to be shorter and sweeter and then like
and then also like here's the hot tip for coaching is you book the next appointment
when you're done with the short and sweet like here's your homework thing you book the next one
at the end and then you get them next time you don't have to like keep them they're not going to
learn all the secrets of driving in like a 34 hour span because that's just that's not
how the human brain works so like that when i first started coaching it was like two hours 20
bucks an hour and i would get the experience of just getting the coaching in and learning that
like people don't learn like that people learn like this stuff like that right and thank you to
all my first guinea pigs of like just us hanging out for two or three hours like i
appreciate it that experience is very valuable to me um so i i think i think that's kind of how
you have to start and then that kind of leads us into like the monetization part and i think at
first it starts for free because like you're as you start learning you like helping your friends
like kind of like you already are right um and then at some point like you're if you're given
the help out like you have to limit like you can't just help everyone so you have to like
start charging something so like it kind of limits like okay these people aren't like they would do
it for free but they're not going to do it for 20 bucks and now it like limits it down to okay these
are the people that that will pay me 20 for me to help them right and then i think i think it goes
up from there like is as whatever available free time you have uh to to help people that's what it
costs um and if whatever available free time you have it like if what it needs to
make isn't worth what people are willing to pay then that's fine like you could go make money
doing something else like you don't have to have to coach but if they're willing to pay less to have
you and you're willing to accept that then that's like what that's what it costs right does that
make sense yeah i think so so like right like this the these other parts of it are stuff that
i struggle with but when i started like i started by just doing fun laps in people's cars at track
days and grid life events and stuff back when they had hp de and that taught me in the same way that
you would sit there for hours and kind of work with people that taught you to streamline your
process and then taught you what things to look for quicker and that type of thing same exact for
me is like i would just drive the car and then we would look at the difference on the data yeah
and that taught me a whole lot so that to the point where now i do i don't have to drive the car to
feel confident in the feedback i'm giving whereas six years ago i did um so yeah there's no right
answer but i don't think there it's so hard to define good coach every single time i would
finish with someone i was stressed whether it was good enough every single time i feel that
but i think every single time they would send money it would come back again yeah
i think that's also part of the reason why you book the next appointment at the end
is because then you're like well if it sucked they wouldn't have booked another appointment
right like so you've got to get that that like okay did it did that suck and then at some point
you like get like an internal dyno of like okay i i was helpful like they did find value in that
and like this this is worth it to them they like they they are finding value out of the time
that we spend together right yep right so and and you know what like sometimes like people
find value in the time that you spend together because oh my god you just enlightened like the
conversations and the questions that were asked and like the the the time spent it enlightens like
the next like uh like the next uh trajectory that they spend focusing on driving and then
sometimes it's just a fun good time and they're like hell yeah like that like this this uh time
i spend with dj once a week is the thing that makes me get on the sim rig and do the thing
because i know he's gonna ask did it did you do the laps or do not do the laps and it makes me
do the thing and he holds me accountable and we have a bunch of fun when we meet and like that's
that's worth it to me and it's not my job to determine whether it's worth it to them it's their
job and all i can do is is my best and if it's if it's good enough for them then like i can't i
and if it's not like let's say it's not and that's fine i did my best i can't do better than my best
can i try to get my best to be better sure that's like that's a continual process
that's always happening all the time but i can't change exactly what i am right in this moment
it's like a yeah it's it's a slow process it goes on forever it like i have no control over it
essentially you take you like remove that control because you don't have final thought is there are
there are so many different styles of coaches as well like i know coaches who are very like
review and task driven that we look through things go do this and then it's
like it's not even really a a relationship it's just like a computer a task master or something
and then i know others who are like like basically all social and it's just all
conversational and there's some questions light review but for the most part
you're hanging out with them and then i know people who are like more psychology based and
there are others who are like very data driven and so you also can kind of like start to realize
your your style a little bit it's kind of like finding a therapist really because yeah you're
going to find people who gravitate to your style yeah honestly there are some coaches i know i think
that they are literally the only thing keeping their customers racing and it's because they're
finding them the next events and they're they're like they're they're the like they're the scope
that the customer needs to say like we're going to go oh if you want to go to this next this happens
in pro racing i think maybe a little bit more than club where they might have a little bit
more financial freedom but if you say like hey you want to go do this event to your customer
and they're stoked about it and then you're the one keeping them going to the racetrack because
they want to go to the racetrack with you and you're finding events for them and all this
there's coaches like that yep so yeah shan says the best coach is the one that's right for that's
right for you it's an interpersonal relationship and yeah i agree with that because really like
there is there is a financial transaction but really like you're building a relationship
with these these people or your coach and like it's it should be a trusting honest relationship
that uh that benefits uh both both parties right yep so if that helps noah good luck
yeah it is and you know what the first time you do ask for money it feels weird there's no way
there's no way to get around around that it does feel weird um i mean even even now i've
what i've been coaching sim racing and uh real racing for what like five years now um feels weird
still feels weird it's a i i wonder if any of my coaching clients pick up on it but when i'm like
okay and at the end of this i'm like typing up my little invoice like okay 0.5 hours of prep
one hour of coaching that would be 90 dollars and uh do you have any last questions and then
normally they don't and then i go okay well we'll see you next week and then i leave and i'm going
oh that was hard yeah exactly it still feels like you're like i've had ones where i'm doing the
invoice and i'm like trying to find ways to make the invoice as small as possible by like
cutting out like little gas tanks here and there or meals there you know like gotta hate this part
so much yeah uh yeah it just that i don't maybe there's maybe there's a point where you're just
like yeah that's just like that oops sorry i'm like that's just like part of doing business or
whatever and that's just the business part of the business or whatever i don't know it's it's
still a little weird but it's like that it's the part that allows me to justify setting a setting
aside that time to do it so like if i didn't do that then it wouldn't justify the time and and i do
really like coaching and helping people and stuff like that but i need to justify the time
really to my wife to be honest so so um but yeah i think um and everyone's going to come at a
different way but yeah noah if uh if you find people that you can help for free and then
eventually you like if you feel like you have too many people that like are willing to accept your
help then maybe that's the point where you start limiting how many people that you're able to help
with uh charging something and then see where it goes from there yep and if you're too busy
then you have to charge more
that's true actually people people will keep asking you to come back for free as long as you
could do it but if you start you we're just talking in circles at this point you put a
little bit of money to it the people who keep asking you that's the sign that's the ones to pay
attention to yep uh we've been going this is almost an hour and a half right what are you doing
this weekend oh tom uh i'm doing the Toledo pro solo with uh peter schnor and um i tried to get
you to come but you got something going on tom uh mr uh mr tire man over here
driver for hire will drive for food speaking of job but i do it yeah i was uh would you
say we were going Toledo pro solo yeah okay i'm going to gridlife midwest this is my first time
doing time attack for real i think the last time i did it didn't you do it in evo or something at
some point what did you do time attack in an evo the last time you did time attack with gridlife
yeah the last time attack i mean i technically did limerock last year but the car broke and
didn't really do laps in anything competitive so i don't think that counts that doesn't count
um i did my lap in super k so that's sort of time attack but the last time i did like legit
time attack was gta button willow super lap battle like 2021 i think in that evo yeah gta
finals lu god remembers better than i do holy shit and then i did gridlife time attack in that same
evo 2019 so it's been a long time since i did it with gridlife but vitor reached out and asked
dallas reid asked if i wanted to drive or would drive his corvette zr1 in track mod in track battle
and we worked it out and i'm going to go do that so we're sharing the car i think this is the plan
we're sharing the car but we have separate entries and i think i'm going to get half the sessions
plus the shootout and i think he's doing the other half of the sessions okay so i'll be
i i think i might only do like one session one day and like two the next day and then two the
next day so it won't be like super busy i was even trying to figure out if i could come to the
toledo prosolo and like drive and go back but they're three hours apart we established yeah we
established that we need friends with helicopters that's what we established need
yep or if someone could just invent teleportation i mean we're coming up on the jetsons age right now
where's my flying car where is it if you had a flying car you could do both
i could uh so yeah i'm excited to go i haven't i i'm excited to see all the people admit that i
know that i know i'm going to know there i know dude you started excited to drive a zr1 i'm actually
like i mean i have this pre-built fantasy already of like the zr1 the way it sounds from turn two
to turn three down the straight where all the spectators always are for the campground i'm like
oh those all those people are going to think that car sounds so cool and i'm going to be
driving that car when they think that is it does it have the oem exhaust because in my experience
it wasn't that loud um really dave marcus's car when we were at the track in one lap it was
it was audibly different than everybody else's car and loud enough to hear it so i think it'll
stand out all right it wasn't i know it's getting it's getting no it's not super loud it's like a
jet whoosh more than a car it is yes but it's such a different noise that i think it stands out
yes it sounds fast but it just doesn't sound loud yep uh and then i know it's
getting shocks at winning formula i think last week so it won't be like a stock stock car either
and the one that i drove when i drove dave's was on 300 treadwear and this will obviously be on
i think it's their 200 treadwear i don't like actually know what tire we're using because i
think there's two now uh one i'll figure that out and i'll talk about it next week i think
they're both 200 treadwear one's like an autocross compound and one's like a track compound so
but time attack i don't know you could be on the you could be on the um the 100 treadwear
well is that track mod oh and track mod is that legal it is but i don't think it's this i think
the sizing is wrong so i'm pretty sure you're right that it's one of the 200 treadwear
you know what tom you don't have to worry about the rules you just got to drive the car
yep get in and go oh my goodness all right i was getting some serious fomo when you were
planning like cooking and stuff like while you were there and i'm like oh man i'm missing a tom
cookout this is this sucks yeah yeah well i'll be rooting for you tom and um yeah i'll be i'll be
rooting for you thank you you'll be refreshing the url i'll be tuning into the live stream to
watch you so make sure that you're posting on uh like instagram or in the discord or something
about like when you expect to drive just so we can all tune in to the broadcast to see some
tom agoramin wheel and wheel in a corvette for sure uh the last thing i don't know if anybody
if you caught this but our friend emil tab is in australia for a race at city motorsport park
this weekend and it's live stream so also make sure that people tune in i'll share i'll share it
in the discord but it's all on sunday i think okay and he's doing this endurance race like a
three hour endurance race with somebody in a like souped up miata i doubt it's on australia i it's
probably on sunday in australia but it that's probably saturday here because sunday here would
be like monday in australia true anyway whenever you're driving a meal good luck and we'll be
watching we will try to watch we don't actually exactly know when it's on but i'm sure we'll see
the uh the replay of it uh depending on when it runs i because let's be honest emil look we love
you man we're not tuning in at three in the morning that that's not i might okay tom will tune in
at three in the morning i'm going to be sleeping all right should we on the show yep all right uh
take it over tom okay uh hey this weekend at to leto but also this weekend at grid life
i love our hair and i hope we win
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About this episode
White-water rafting and a brutal 24-mile bike ride kick things off, with the hosts debating whether the “lizard brain” kicks in and swapping cycling gear rabbit holes for motorsport-style obsession. The conversation then zooms into racing safety and etiquette: when full-course cautions should trigger, how “virtual safety car” rules get messy, and why yellow-flag behavior and closing rates can turn dangerous fast. Between all that, they trade coaching and training takes, plus upcoming time-attack plans.
Original notes
Tom and DJ talk about their weekends. DJ went white water rafting and Tom was commentating Road America SCCA racing.
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