Episode 405 -- Jimmy Makar on Parting Ways with Dale Jarrett, Making It to the Mountaintop with Bobby Labonte
About this episode
North Wilkesboro Speedway’s comeback sets the stage, from COVID-era support and iRacing preservation to the grind it takes to pull off a Cup-level event. Jimmy Makar explains how he joined the restoration team and helped lead “the first points race in 30 years for the Window World 450.” The conversation then pivots to NASCAR history and team stability—“remember saying goodbye to Dale Jarrett… saying hello to DJ's replacement, Bobby Labani”—and how Bobby stayed “cool and calm” amid driver-change pressure.
Speedway Motorsports
"to make this happen at such an executed a high level like Speedway Motorsports and, and in our, in our other tracks on the NASCAR circuit do, it is the amount of"
This refers to a company involved in running and promoting race tracks. The point here is that big racing events take a lot of organization behind the scenes.
Speedway Motorsports is a motorsports company associated with operating and promoting racing venues. In this context, it’s used to highlight the scale and coordination required to run major track events.
NASCAR Cup Series
"What it takes to pull off a NASCAR Cup Series level event. With all that being said, because you have all the free time in the world right now,"
This is NASCAR’s top racing series. It’s the biggest level of stock-car racing, so the events require a lot of planning and teamwork.
The NASCAR Cup Series is NASCAR’s top-level stock-car racing series in the United States. When the speaker says it takes “Cup Series level” effort, they mean the highest-profile teams and events with major logistics, staffing, and competition.
period of dormancy
"And then, you know, another extended period period of dormancy. But again, people like that that did not let this place go that had, you know, Terry had been in her heart and mind and, you know, Ronald"
A "period of dormancy" means the track wasn’t active for a while. It’s like the racing schedule went quiet before coming back again.
A "period of dormancy" in motorsports usually means the track or racing operation is inactive for a stretch of time—no regular racing events. In this segment, it’s used to describe how the Speedway stopped running and then later returned.
North Wilkesboro Speedway
"you had some COVID relief funds that were the catalyst that North Carolina put towards racetracks and North Wilkesboro Speedway was one of the beneficiaries. But, you know, really, you know, all those, you know, Ronald and Terry and on"
North Wilkesboro Speedway is a famous NASCAR race track in North Carolina. The hosts are saying it got help from COVID-era funds and became important again for racing and TV coverage.
North Wilkesboro Speedway is a historic NASCAR oval in North Carolina. In this segment, it’s highlighted as a beneficiary of COVID relief funding and later as a venue for the track revival and NASCAR-related broadcasts.
iRacing
"Dale Jr., Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Marcus Smith, you know, certainly the eye racing component of this, it really was Dale's heart to just capture this for eye racing and virtually have this place live on."
iRacing is a popular online racing game/competition where people race real tracks virtually. The segment is saying they wanted to bring the track to iRacing so it could “live on” digitally.
iRacing is a motorsport-focused online racing platform where drivers compete in realistic virtual cars and tracks. Here, it’s mentioned in the context of virtually recreating North Wilkesboro so fans could experience the venue even when real racing was paused.
race track revival in 2022
"And then, again, as I mentioned, those COVID relief funds coming out of that. And then we had race track revival in 2022. Not really knowing what the future beyond that was going to be."
This phrase means the track was brought back to life in 2022. The hosts are describing how support and funding helped restart racing at North Wilkesboro.
“Race track revival in 2022” refers to the renewed effort to bring North Wilkesboro Speedway back into active use. It’s a key storyline beat in the segment: funding and community support lead to the track reopening and renewed racing activity.
NASCAR 75th anniversary in 2023
"And, lo and behold, the sport and Marcus and our company at Speedway Motorsports recognize the importance of NASCAR 75th anniversary in 2023 and looking for a"
This refers to NASCAR’s big 75-year celebration in 2023. The speaker is saying that milestone helped drive focus on what happens next for the sport and its venues.
The “NASCAR 75th anniversary in 2023” is a major milestone celebration for NASCAR. The segment frames it as a reason for renewed attention and planning around tracks and events.
Indianapolis 500
"and so had the fortune of playing college football at University of Louisville for legendary coach Howard Schnellenberger. So that was from 93 through 97. Had a lot of great memories and moments there and great stories playing for coach Schnellenberger and got done and trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life and have a career still trying to play a little bit of professional football along the way. My middle brother had married a girl from Bristol who had some access to the race in 1998, the night race, met Jeff Byrd at that race. We hit it off immediately from sports and racing and so a couple months later, as we stayed in contact, he got an opening in the entry level role in the marketing and sales department and got hired and have been at Bristol now over 27 years and seen so many cool things and iconic moments and learning from Jay Byrd and Jerry Caldwell and the Bristol team..."
The Indianapolis 500 is a huge, famous race in the U.S. It’s run over 500 miles at a special speedway in Indiana, and it’s a big deal for racing careers.
The Indianapolis 500 (often called the Indy 500) is NASCAR’s biggest rival in terms of prestige: a 500-mile race held at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. It’s one of the most famous single-day motorsport events in the world and a major career milestone for drivers and teams.
Howard Schnellenberger
"and Indianapolis 500 was a big deal and in our household growing up and so had the fortune of playing college football at University of Louisville for legendary coach Howard Schnellenberger. So that was from 93 through 97."
Howard Schnellenberger was the famous college football coach the speaker played for at Louisville. He’s mentioned because it explains the speaker’s background and connections before racing work.
Howard Schnellenberger is the legendary college football coach the speaker played for at the University of Louisville. While not an automotive figure, he’s central to the speaker’s personal path into motorsports-adjacent work.
Bristol
"My middle brother had married a girl from Bristol who had some access to the race in 1998, the night race, met Jeff Byrd at that race. We hit it off immediately from sports and racing and so a couple months later, as we stayed in contact, he got an opening in the entry level role in the marketing and sales department and got hired and have been at Bristol now over 27 years and seen so many cool things and iconic moments..."
“Bristol” is shorthand for a famous NASCAR race track in Tennessee. It’s known for tight racing where cars run close together and the action is intense.
“Bristol” here refers to Bristol Motor Speedway, a NASCAR centerpiece known for short-track racing and intense, close-quarters competition. The speaker ties it to long-term work and “iconic moments,” which is why it matters in a motorsport context.
Marcus Smith
"learning from Jay Byrd and Jerry Caldwell and the Bristol team in addition to all the influences of Marcus Smith and Steve Swift and Kevin Camper and on down the line with our Speedway Motorsports teams..."
Marcus Smith is a key figure in NASCAR’s modern era, closely associated with Speedway Motorsports and its track operations. The speaker lists him among influences, indicating he’s part of the motorsports ecosystem that shaped their career.
Steve Swift
"learning from Jay Byrd and Jerry Caldwell and the Bristol team in addition to all the influences of Marcus Smith and Steve Swift and Kevin Camper and on down the line with our Speedway Motorsports teams..."
Steve Swift is another person the speaker credits as an influence in their racing career. He’s mentioned as part of the team of people involved in running motorsports events.
Steve Swift is mentioned as one of the speaker’s motorsports influences alongside other Speedway Motorsports-linked names. In this context, he’s part of the leadership/network behind track and racing operations.
Kevin Camper
"in addition to all the influences of Marcus Smith and Steve Swift and Kevin Camper and on down the line with our Speedway Motorsports teams..."
Kevin Camper is one of the people the speaker says influenced their career in racing. Based on the context, he’s part of the motorsports organization side of things.
Kevin Camper is listed among the influences shaping the speaker’s work in motorsports. The surrounding names suggest he’s connected to NASCAR track operations or event leadership rather than being a driver.
North Wilkesboro project
"as we've worked closely together these last four or five years on this North Wilkesboro project. So where Wilkesboro came into the picture is I started hearing the rumblings and hearing that there may be some plans for some racing."
This is about bringing racing back to North Wilkesboro Speedway, a historic track in North Carolina. The “project” is basically the work to restore it and get it back on the racing map.
The North Wilkesboro project refers to efforts to bring racing back to North Wilkesboro Speedway, a historic NASCAR venue in North Carolina. It’s notable because the track has major heritage, and the project implies restoration and renewed racing activity.
Buick Grand National
"... going to dig into the October 5th, 1978 issue of Grand National scene. Darrell Walker thrashes the field at North..."
The Buick Grand National is a fast, performance version of a Buick from the late 1970s. It uses a turbocharged engine, which helps it make a lot of power for quick acceleration. It’s often mentioned because it was competitive in racing during that time.
The Buick Grand National is a performance-focused muscle car from the late 1970s, best known for its turbocharged V8 and strong drag-racing reputation. It’s a significant name in the era because it was built to compete hard on the track, and stories from period race coverage often highlight how dominant it could be. That’s why it comes up in discussions tied to specific race results and magazine features from 1978.
pits and black flag
"Wilkesboro for the first 380 laps pits and then pits again after being black [1070.9s] flagged for missing lug nut, which hands the victory to Kelli Arbora and"
In NASCAR-style racing, a black flag usually means the officials found a serious problem and the car needs to come in. Pit stops after that can decide whether you lose or recover positions.
The segment describes a pit sequence and a black flag situation, which in racing typically indicates a serious rules or mechanical issue requiring immediate attention. How teams respond during pit stops can strongly affect track position and race outcome.
Darlington
"nitrous oxide system that was discovered on his car, falling a really bad accident. [1085.1s] Darlington, despite his insistence at the time that that system was inoperable."
Darlington is a well-known NASCAR race track. It’s famous for being tricky on tires and for races where rules and penalties can really change who wins.
Darlington refers to Darlington Raceway, a famous NASCAR track known for its unique, egg-shaped layout and heavy emphasis on tire management. It’s a common venue for high-stakes races where penalties and technical rules can swing results.
tire war
"We went to Wilkesboro and that year was one of the big tire war battles between Hoosier and Goodyear."
In racing, teams use different tire brands. A “tire war” means the tire companies are fighting hard to make the fastest tires, so teams and drivers are constantly trying to get the best option.
A “tire war” is a period in racing when tire manufacturers aggressively compete by bringing out different compounds and constructions to gain lap-time advantage. In this segment, it’s specifically about Hoosier vs. Goodyear battling for performance at Wilkesboro.
Goodyear deal
"We were strictly Goodyear guys. Um, we got a Goodyear deal and so we couldn't play the game depending on what was, what was the best tire at the time."
A “deal” means the team is required to use a specific tire brand. So even if another brand is faster, they may not be allowed to run it.
A “Goodyear deal” here means a sponsor/manufacturer contract that restricts a team to using Goodyear tires. That limitation forced the team to avoid the faster Hoosier qualifying tire and then switch back later.
qualifying tires
"Hoosier had a really fast qualifying tire, really soft tire. And so it went away really quickly."
Qualifying tires are meant to be fast for one quick session to set your starting position. They often wear out faster, so they may not work as well for the full race.
A “qualifying tire” is a tire setup optimized for short-run speed during qualifying rather than long-run durability in the race. The segment contrasts a very soft Hoosier qualifying tire that was fast but degraded quickly.
soft tire
"Hoosier had a really fast qualifying tire, really soft tire. And so it went away really quickly."
A soft tire grips the road better, which can make you faster. The tradeoff is that it usually wears out sooner than a harder tire.
A “soft tire” refers to a tire compound with more grip but less durability, typically wearing out faster. In racing, soft compounds can improve traction and lap time, but they may fade quickly over race distance.
change one time during the race
"We were allowed to change one time during the race and so they'd go back to Goodyear's to run the race."
Races sometimes limit how often you can switch tires. That forces teams to plan when to use the fast tire and when to switch back to the tire brand they’re contracted for.
This describes a race rule limiting how many times teams can change tires during the event. It explains the strategy: use the allowed tire for the stint, then switch once to the contracted brand for the remainder.
throw a rod
"I said, that sounds like a back on rod. Surely this thing isn't going to throw a rod on me now. Down that. So I just put my foot on the floor, this long straightaway section. Boom. Thing blows up."
“Throw a rod” is when something inside the engine breaks badly—so badly that the engine can’t run anymore. It usually means the engine is ruined and needs major repair or replacement.
“Throw a rod” means an internal engine failure where a connecting rod breaks and punches through the engine block. It’s a catastrophic event that usually destroys the engine and leaves the car unable to continue running.
Dayton 500
"when he first came, he also, as I said earlier, the Dayton 500, he was a pit crew member."
The Daytona 500 is NASCAR’s biggest race. If someone has experience with it, they’ve been around the sport at a very high level.
The Daytona 500 is NASCAR’s most famous race, held at Daytona International Speedway. It’s often treated as the season’s biggest marquee event, so mentioning it signals a high-profile NASCAR background.
pit crew member
"the Dayton 500, he was a pit crew member. You know, he was athletic and he was quarterback, um, in college."
A pit crew member is the team that works on the race car during quick stops in the pits. They do things like changing tires so the driver can get back on track fast.
In NASCAR, a pit crew member is part of the team that services the car during pit stops. Their job is to execute fast, coordinated work—like tire changes and refueling—so the driver loses as little time as possible.
shocks and springs
"So he had a bit of an understanding of shocks and springs and bars and suspension and things"
Springs and shocks are what help the car stay stable over bumps. Springs soak up the impact, and shocks help prevent the car from bouncing too much.
Shocks (dampers) and springs are core suspension components that control how the car rides and handles. Springs support the car’s weight and absorb bumps, while shocks control how quickly the suspension compresses and rebounds.
bars
"So he had a bit of an understanding of shocks and springs and bars and suspension and things"
“Bars” in suspension usually means sway bars. They help keep the car from leaning too much when you turn.
In suspension talk, “bars” usually refers to anti-roll bars (sway bars), which reduce body roll during cornering. They connect the left and right sides of the suspension to help the car stay flatter and more predictable.
suspension
"So he had a bit of an understanding of shocks and springs and bars and suspension and things"
Suspension is the part of the car that helps the wheels move smoothly over the road. It strongly affects how the car feels and handles when you drive.
Suspension is the system that connects the wheels to the car and manages ride quality and handling. It affects grip, steering response, and how the car behaves over bumps and during braking and cornering.
Dale Jarrett
"wasn't much of a new learning process to learn a curve. DJ, when is the championship in 99? And then in 2000, you guys, and again, Bobby said the 99 championship, he sat way in the back of the room."
Dale Jarrett is a NASCAR champion who later became a TV/radio voice for the sport. In this part, they’re discussing his viewpoint on when championships happen and how teams plan for them.
Dale Jarrett is a NASCAR driver and broadcaster who won the NASCAR Cup Series championship. The segment uses “DJ” to reference his perspective on championship timing and how teams think about seasons and performance trends.
one lane at a time
"At what point that season did you feel like this might actually happen? No, I don't know that I ever really thought about it. It was like a one race at a time thing. It was this weekend you show up and you win a race. You got to try to win this race."
It means you don’t worry too much about the entire season at once. You focus on doing your best in the next race, and that’s how you keep your championship hopes alive.
“One race at a time” describes a championship mindset where you don’t try to predict the whole season early. Instead, you focus on winning the next event, then use results to build momentum as the year progresses.
championship
"win the race next week. Um, so there really was no thought in my mind of, of the championship [2108.4s] was back in the back of your head, you know, running for the championship is one thing,"
A championship is the season-long competition where drivers earn points at each race. You don’t have to win every race—you have to score well enough overall to finish on top.
In NASCAR, the “championship” refers to the season-long points battle where drivers accumulate points race by race. The goal isn’t just winning one event—it’s managing results to finish the season with the most points (or win the playoff-deciding race format, depending on the era).
Bobby Labonte
"I thought Bobby was on his game as good as down [2144.4s] was. And I thought our race team was, was strong enough in all aspects to, to get the job done. [2152.8s] And so I think the cool thing was, for me, it was, that's who I would want to beat to win a"
Bobby Labonte is a NASCAR driver known for winning the NASCAR Cup Series championship (and for being a consistent, steady performer). In this segment, the speaker credits Labonte’s calm approach and race-team strength as key to championship contention.
mind games
"You guys were parked right next to each other. And I know, I mean, I wasn't there obviously, [2182.8s] but I know that there were mind games probably. Oh gosh. [2189.7s] Tell me a good mind game story. Oh me. Well,"
In racing, “mind games” are tricks meant to throw off the other driver or team. It can be things like talking nonstop, hovering around, or trying to disrupt their practice and preparation.
“Mind games” in racing are psychological tactics used to distract, pressure, or disrupt an opponent’s routine—especially during practice and in the garage. The idea is to affect focus and preparation so the other driver can’t get the best setup work done.
practice
"one good mind game that our heart was good at is in practice to go out and get behind you [2205.5s] and just mess with you. Just, just, you know, just poke at you and not let you work on your race car."
Practice is the time before the race when teams try out the car and make adjustments. It helps the driver learn how the car feels and helps the crew get it ready for the actual race.
In NASCAR, “practice” sessions are when teams test and refine the race car’s setup before qualifying and the race. Drivers and crew use these runs to learn how the car behaves and to adjust things so the car is competitive on race day.
race car
"and just mess with you. Just, just, you know, just poke at you and not let you work on your race car. [2213.6s] He was dogging you all the time."
A “race car” is a car built and tuned specifically for racing. It’s set up differently than a normal street car so it can handle speed, turns, and track demands.
A “race car” is a purpose-built vehicle configured for racing, typically with specialized suspension, braking, aerodynamics, and safety equipment. In NASCAR context, it also implies a setup tailored for track conditions and driver preference rather than a street-car configuration.
Del Earnhardt
"but 2001 hit, it happened to Del Earnhardt. And if it can happen to him, it can happen to anybody."
The host is talking about a well-known NASCAR driver (Del Earnhardt) and using his situation to make the point that bad luck or problems can happen to anyone.
Del Earnhardt is referenced here in the context of a major NASCAR driver incident around the early 2000s. The key point is the host’s argument that serious setbacks can happen to even top-level drivers.
multi car operation
"The fact that we were now wanting to grow as a race, even have the ability to grow as a race team, we had gone to two cars, you know, we brought Tony in and started a second team here"
It means the team is running more than one race car, not just one. That usually requires more people and planning so the team can compete better.
A “multi car operation” is when a racing team runs more than one race car at the same time, typically with separate crews and strategy but shared leadership and resources. In NASCAR, this often means scaling up staffing and logistics so the organization can compete at a higher level across the season.
crew chief
"And I didn't want to be a crew chief all my career... So I thought at that point, it was either do that or continue to be a crew chief the rest of my career, one or the other."
The crew chief is the team’s main decision-maker for the race car. They help decide how to set the car up and when to make changes during the race.
A crew chief is the lead strategist and technical decision-maker for a NASCAR team’s race car. They call pit strategy, oversee car setup direction, and coordinate with engineers and the pit crew during race weekends.
team manager
"that would be in a team manager type, competition director type role to help build the future, necessarily just be a crew chief."
A team manager in motorsports is an operations leader who coordinates the broader organization—staffing, planning, budgets, and long-term team development. It’s a step away from hands-on race-day car calls, focusing more on building the program.
competition director
"that would be in a team manager type, competition director type role to help build the future, necessarily just be a crew chief."
This role is about making sure the team is set up to compete well. They help guide how the team prepares and improves over time.
A competition director is a leadership role responsible for the team’s competitive program—aligning engineering, strategy, and performance goals across races and seasons. In NASCAR-style teams, it often involves setting the direction for how the team prepares and evolves.
DNQ
"DJ has already told the team that he is leaving at the end of the year to join Robert Yates Racing. The DNQ certainly doesn't help matters at all, at least not when it comes to Jimmy's mindset."
DNQ means the driver “did not qualify.” It means the car didn’t run a fast enough qualifying time to get into the race.
DNQ stands for “did not qualify.” In NASCAR, it means the car failed to post a qualifying time good enough to make the race field, which can have major consequences for the team and driver.
company car
"And on the way home that night, I had to laugh because when it rains at pores, his company car starts making pretty ominous sounds. This is not his personal car."
A company car is a car provided by the team or employer. The point here is that the driver wasn’t driving his own personal car—this was a team/manufacturer vehicle.
A company car is a vehicle provided by an employer or team rather than owned personally by the driver. In racing contexts, it can matter because the driver’s personal risk and the car’s maintenance history may differ from their own ride.
engine has a come apart
"He hits a straight away and he matches the gas. And that engine has, as Larry McReynolds would say, that engine has a come apart. Motor don't let go."
“The engine has a come apart” means the engine is breaking internally. Parts can fail under stress, and if you keep driving hard, it can cause serious damage.
“Engine has a come apart” is a descriptive way to say the engine is failing internally—components are breaking or separating under load. It’s essentially an engine failure that can lead to catastrophic damage if the driver keeps pushing.
Larry McReynolds
"He hits a straight away and he matches the gas. And that engine has, as Larry McReynolds would say, that engine has a come apart."
Larry McReynolds is a NASCAR expert who knows a lot about engines and race cars. In this segment, they’re quoting his description of what’s happening to the engine.
Larry McReynolds is a well-known NASCAR engine builder and race analyst/commentator. Here, he’s referenced as the voice behind the phrase describing the engine’s internal failure.
NASCAR technical institute
"We didn't get our studio until February, March of 2022. We got the studio at the night. What was then the NASCAR technical institute."
The NASCAR Technical Institute is a school/program connected to NASCAR that teaches technical skills for racing. It’s mentioned because the host says they got their studio around that time.
The NASCAR Technical Institute is a NASCAR-affiliated education program focused on motorsports engineering and technical training. Mentioning it here signals the host’s involvement with racing-related technical education and the broader NASCAR ecosystem.
bringing the GTR back
"And I've been telling stories over this, you know, five-year span of bringing the track back. And I'll say, oh, that was just, you know, two years ago and no, it'll be five."
“Bringing the track back” means working to restore a race track so it can be used again. It’s about fixing up the facility and getting it running.
“Bringing the track back” describes the restoration or revival of a racing facility—typically involving repairs, upgrades, and reopening efforts. It’s a motorsports concept tied to preserving venues that communities and series rely on.
Pontiac
"As the year went on in 94, of course, we changed from Pontiac, from Ford's to Pontiacs, got the Rusty's old Pontiacs, went that route."
Pontiac is a car brand. In NASCAR history, teams sometimes switched between brands, and that can change the cars they run and how they’re supported.
Pontiac is an American car brand that, in NASCAR history, supplied engines and chassis packages through manufacturer relationships. In this segment, the host says the team “changed from Pontiac…,” framing a manufacturer shift that affected sponsorship, tooling, and race strategy.
Ford
"As the year went on in 94, of course, we changed from Pontiac, from Ford's to Pontiacs, got the Rusty's old Pontiacs, went that route."
Ford is a car company. In NASCAR, teams can switch which manufacturer they’re aligned with, and that can affect the cars they run.
Ford is a major American automaker that has long participated in NASCAR through manufacturer-backed race programs. Here, the host mentions switching “from Ford’s to Pontiacs,” indicating a change in the team’s manufacturer direction.
sponsors
"And so Bill was talking, you know, trying to get negotiation or trying to get sponsors right and left. And so we get to, you know, towards the end of the year... it's like, well, I'm not sure I guess I have to go back driving a bush car again."
Sponsors are companies that pay for a race team and put their name on the car or team. The host is saying the timing of sponsor deals can determine whether they can race.
In NASCAR, sponsors are companies that fund teams in exchange for branding and marketing exposure. The host’s discussion of “trying to get negotiation or trying to get sponsors right and left” and “where the sponsorship is going to land” highlights how critical sponsor timing is to whether a team can keep racing.
bush car
"towards the end of the year. And again, it's like, well, I'm not sure I guess I have to go back driving a bush car again. And because we're not, you know, I don't know where the sponsorship is going to land here..."
A “bush car” is a slang term for a less well-funded race car. The host is basically saying they might have to go back to a simpler, lower-support setup if they can’t secure sponsorship quickly.
“Bush car” is NASCAR slang for an older, less-supported, or lower-tier ride—often implying a car that isn’t backed by the same level of sponsorship or factory resources. In this context, the host is saying they may have to return to driving that kind of car if sponsorship doesn’t arrive in time.
DJ
"Hey, if I can't get DJ, you want to drive this car? ... DJ won Charlotte, but yet he still got out of his contract and I was able to get out of mine"
“DJ” here refers to Dale Jarrett. They’re talking about whether he could drive, and how sponsorship and contracts affect who ends up in the car.
“DJ” is used as a nickname for Dale Jarrett in this conversation. The speaker’s whole point is about whether Jarrett can drive a particular car entry and how contract/sponsorship timing affects who gets released or substituted. That makes Jarrett’s availability a key driver-team dynamic in the story.
Charlotte
"So then it worked out where, of course, DJ won Charlotte, but yet he still got out of his contract and I was able to get out of mine and go there."
They mean a NASCAR race in Charlotte, North Carolina. The speaker is saying DJ won that race, and then the contract situation changed.
“Charlotte” refers to a NASCAR race at Charlotte Motor Speedway, a major venue on the Cup Series calendar. In this segment, it’s where Dale Jarrett “won Charlotte,” which is shorthand for winning that specific event. The win is used to explain how the contract situation played out afterward.
Bobby Lobani
"Bobby Lobani is going after the Winston Cup Championship in the year 2000 and his closest competitor is Deller and Hart."
This is talking about Bobby Labonte, a well-known NASCAR driver. They’re describing his push for the top championship in the year 2000 and the competition he faced.
“Bobby Lobani” is almost certainly Bobby Labonte, a NASCAR driver known for winning the NASCAR Cup Series championship (2000). In this segment, the speaker discusses Labonte’s 2000 championship chase and how rivals would try to disrupt his team. The mention is central because it anchors the season-story being told.
lead lap
"Kale somehow managed to get back in the lead circuit with DW. He got back on the lead lap with Daryl. Three laps down. Made it up."
“Lead lap” means you’re still on the same lap as the race leader. If you’re a few laps down, you’re behind and have to catch up by gaining laps, not just by going faster in a single moment.
In NASCAR, the “lead lap” is the group of cars that are on the same lap count as the race leader. If a driver is “three laps down,” they’ve fallen behind the leader by three full laps and must work to regain laps to be competitive again.
pit stop
"Waldrop would like he's going to be coming into the pits this time and here he is. Waldrop coming down pit road. ... They're going to change some tires and Kale Yarborough coming out of that fourth turn is going to take the lead"
A pit stop is when the car pulls into the pits to get serviced, usually to change tires. How fast and when it happens can make you gain or lose positions during the race.
A pit stop is when a NASCAR car enters the pit lane to service the car—most commonly changing tires, sometimes adjusting setup. Pit stops are timed and can dramatically change track position because the race is won by both speed and strategy.
Pit Road
"Waldrop coming down pit road. Daryl Waldrop coming down pit road. They're going to change some tires"
Pit road is the special lane along the track where the car goes to get serviced. It’s controlled and slower than the racing surface so the crew can work safely.
Pit road is the controlled lane where NASCAR cars enter to receive service during a race. Drivers must follow speed limits and procedures there, and it’s where pit crews coordinate tire changes and other adjustments.
lug nut
"Lap 388. Daryl is black flagged for a missing lug nut on the right front tire. ... Now they left the lug nut off that car"
A lug nut is what holds the wheel onto the car. If one is missing, the wheel can become unsafe, so NASCAR can stop the driver with a penalty like a black flag and force a fix in the pits.
A lug nut is the fastener that secures a wheel to the hub. In NASCAR, missing a lug nut can cause a wheel to loosen or come off, so officials can penalize the car immediately—here, it results in a black flag for a missing lug nut on the right front tire.
right front tire
"Lap 388. Daryl is black flagged for a missing lug nut on the right front tire. ... So what happened, we don't know on that change, but they're going to change the right side."
“Right front tire” means the front tire on the right side of the car. If something goes wrong with that wheel, it can affect how the car steers and stays stable.
The right front tire is the front wheel on the passenger side (in NASCAR’s standard left-hand driving orientation). A problem there—like a missing lug nut—can quickly become dangerous because front wheels affect steering and braking stability.
Kale Yarbrough
"Here's the white flag now going out to Kale Yarbrough. The white flag out Kale one lap away [3950.2s] from victory number nine for the 1978 season. He moves up that back straight away. [3957.7s] Kale Yarbrough [4060.8s] but this is the biggest smile."
Kale Yarbrough is a NASCAR driver. In this clip, he fights back from being behind and ends up winning the race.
Kale Yarbrough is a NASCAR driver who won the 1978 Wilkes 400 in this segment. The hosts highlight his comeback—he was behind earlier, then gained track position and held on to the finish.
white flag
"Here's the white flag now going out to Kale Yarbrough. The white flag out Kale one lap away [3950.2s] from victory number nine for the 1978 season."
The white flag means the race is almost over—there’s only one lap left. Drivers know they have to make their move or defend their spot now.
The white flag indicates there is one lap remaining in the race. It’s a key moment because drivers adjust strategy—pushing for position or setting up a final pass into the last corner(s).
checkered flag
"He comes off the fourth corner and the checkered flag flies and Kale Yarbrough wins [3971.8s] the 18th annual edition of the Wilkes 400."
The checkered flag is the finish signal. Whoever crosses the line when it’s waved is the winner.
The checkered flag is the signal that the race has finished. Crossing the line under the checkered flag determines the winner and locks in final race results.
Wilkes 400
"Kale Yarbrough wins [3971.8s] the 18th annual edition of the Wilkes 400. Kale who looked like he was hopelessly behind earlier [3980.2s] and then all of a sudden he got out in front."
The Wilkes 400 is a NASCAR race. In this part of the episode, it’s the specific race where the driver wins and celebrates in Victory Lane.
The Wilkes 400 is a NASCAR stock-car race held at North Wilkesboro Speedway. In this segment, it’s the event where Kale Yarbrough wins the 1978 edition.
Darrell Waldrop
"Then again it looked like he was not going to [3986.0s] take it because Waldrop was cutting that lead down lap after lap. Then they lugged and that puts [3992.5s] him into victory circle."
Darrell Waldrop is another NASCAR driver in this race. The story here is that he was closing in on the leader, but didn’t quite catch him before the finish.
Darrell Waldrop is mentioned as the driver who was cutting Kale Yarbrough’s lead down lap after lap. The segment frames him as a strong challenger who ultimately falls short in the final outcome.
victory circle
"Then they lugged and that puts [3992.5s] him into victory circle. That's number five at North Wilkes. [3998.6s] here for Darrell Waldrop as Waldrop won the spring race and won last year's Wilkes 400."
The victory circle is where the winner goes right after the race. It’s the spot for celebrations, photos, and interviews.
The victory circle is the designated area where the winning driver is presented after the race. It’s where ceremonies, interviews, and photos typically happen.
open faced helmets
"and sitting in a race car and just the the very basic you know belt that he had the seat [4554.1s] that was you know formulated with an open-faced helmet and you know those guys are going out there"
An open-faced helmet is a helmet that doesn’t cover the whole face. Drivers used them in earlier racing, but today most helmets are full-face for more protection.
An open-faced helmet is a helmet without a full face shield, leaving the lower face exposed. In early racing, this was common, but modern motorsport helmets typically use full-face designs for better impact and debris protection.
nitrous oxide system
"there is a news story in this issue by Gene [4662.2s] Granger reporting that DK Orrick had lost his appeal to NASCAR Commissioner Bunky Knudson [4667.9s] concerning a nitrous oxide system that had been found in his car"
A nitrous oxide system is a setup that adds extra “boost” to an engine using a special gas. It can make the car faster, but racing rules can restrict it, and that’s why it led to penalties here.
A nitrous oxide system injects N2O into an engine to temporarily increase power by allowing more fuel and oxygen to be burned. In NASCAR-era rules, using such systems could trigger penalties if it was not permitted or was found during inspection.
DK Orrick
"there is a news story in this issue by Gene [4662.2s] Granger reporting that DK Orrick had lost his appeal to NASCAR Commissioner Bunky Knudson [4667.9s] concerning a nitrous oxide system that had been found in his car"
DK Orrick is the person at the center of the NASCAR penalty story. He appealed a decision, but the appeal was denied after officials found a nitrous oxide setup in his car.
DK Orrick is the driver/team figure in the news story being discussed. The segment says he lost an appeal tied to NASCAR Commissioner Bunky Knudson regarding a nitrous oxide system found in his car.
Bunky Knudson
"there is a news story in this issue by Gene [4662.2s] Granger reporting that DK Orrick had lost his appeal to NASCAR Commissioner Bunky Knudson [4667.9s] concerning a nitrous oxide system that had been found in his car"
Bunky Knudson is the NASCAR official mentioned in the story. He’s connected to the decision about penalties and appeals.
Bunky Knudson is referenced as the NASCAR Commissioner involved in the appeal decision. In NASCAR history, the commissioner role is tied to enforcing rules and adjudicating disputes.
NASCAR Commissioner
"there is a news story in this issue by Gene [4662.2s] Granger reporting that DK Orrick had lost his appeal to NASCAR Commissioner Bunky Knudson"
The NASCAR Commissioner is a senior official who helps run NASCAR and enforce the rules. Here, that role is connected to the decision on DK Orrick’s appeal.
The NASCAR Commissioner is the top official role responsible for overseeing NASCAR’s governance and rule enforcement. In this story, the commissioner is the authority tied to the appeal outcome.
Southern 500
"falling a really bad accident in that year Southern 500. DK was fined $2,000 and suspended 12 [4680.8s] weeks"
The Southern 500 is a major NASCAR race. It’s associated with Darlington Raceway, and the story references that event’s timeframe.
The Southern 500 is a historic NASCAR race held at Darlington Raceway. In this segment, it’s referenced as the event during which a “really bad accident” occurred in that same year.
nitrous oxide bottle
"about what NASCAR had found on the car they discovered a nitrous oxide bottle how did you find out that they had found something"
A “nitrous oxide bottle” is the pressurized container that stores nitrous oxide for injection. In NASCAR-era contexts, finding one on a car typically implies an illegal or rule-breaking power-adder setup, depending on the rules at the time.
nitrous bottle
"we had to dig into it and find it we found a nitrous bottle and we're going to give you a little vacation 5000 dollar penalty"
A nitrous bottle is a pressurized container of “nitrous oxide.” When you activate it, it injects that gas into the engine to give a short burst of extra power.
A nitrous bottle stores nitrous oxide (N2O) under pressure for injection into the engine. When released, it adds oxygen to the combustion process, allowing more fuel to burn and producing a temporary power boost.
penalty
"we found a nitrous bottle and we're going to give you a little vacation 5000 dollar penalty and I was out of for the rest of the year"
A penalty is punishment for breaking the rules. In this story, it’s a big fine and it affected whether he could race for the rest of the season.
A penalty is a rule-enforcement consequence imposed for a violation. Here, the speaker references a “5000 dollar penalty” and being “out for the rest of the year,” framing it as a major sanction tied to the nitrous discovery.
frame rail
"I put it in in in the in the frame rail and then left it where you turn it on I made it where it looked like the bolt the head bolt like a three-quarter head bolt"
A frame rail is part of the car’s main structure, like a strong “side beam” that runs along the length of the chassis. They routed the nitrous hardware near it.
A frame rail is a structural member of a vehicle’s chassis, running longitudinally along the sides. The speaker describes mounting the nitrous bottle and routing the line through/near the frame rail for packaging and concealment.
air cleaner
"it came up by the radiator around the loop back down roll bar over here and sprayed right into the into the air cleaner wow"
The air cleaner is where the engine’s intake air gets filtered before going into the engine. The speaker is saying the nitrous spray was aimed into that intake area.
The air cleaner (air filter housing) is the intake component that filters incoming air before it reaches the engine. The speaker describes nitrous spray being directed into the air cleaner area, which is a key detail of how the system was set up.
solenoid
"and when you and there was a solenoid that I could hit in the car with regular switch where it said the alternator"
A solenoid is an electrically controlled switch that acts like a valve. In this context, it helps control when nitrous gets released to the engine.
A solenoid is an electrically controlled valve that opens or closes a fluid/gas path. In nitrous setups, it’s commonly used to control when nitrous is allowed to flow into the engine.
alternator switch
"switch where it said the alternator you know I could flip that switch and you get about maybe 30 seconds of of nitrous oxide straight into motor"
This sounds like a switch in the cockpit that the driver used to turn the nitrous on. The interesting part is that it was labeled/associated with the alternator, but it was used to control nitrous.
An alternator switch here refers to a cockpit-mounted electrical switch used to trigger the nitrous system. It’s notable because the speaker is describing using a switch labeled for another system to actuate nitrous.
Rockingham
"for example at Rockingham I wasn't going to make the race it's a second day qualifying"
Rockingham is a race track where NASCAR-style events were held. The speaker is saying this nitrous plan happened at that track.
Rockingham refers to the Rockingham Speedway venue used for NASCAR events. It’s mentioned as the specific track where the speaker planned to use nitrous based on qualifying/race circumstances.
second day qualifying
"at Rockingham I wasn't going to make the race it's a second day qualifying I said I'm gonna blow the nitrous oxide"
Some race weekends have qualifying over more than one day. The speaker is saying this happened during a later qualifying day, which changed his strategy.
“Second day qualifying” describes a multi-day qualifying format where drivers may get additional attempts or a separate qualifying opportunity on a later day. The speaker uses it to explain why he planned to use nitrous even if he didn’t expect to make the race.
green
"at Rockingham I wasn't going to make the race it's a second day qualifying I said I'm gonna blow the nitrous oxide I go around and take the green take one and two and then as soon as I could do it I hit it on the back stretch"
The “green” is the green race flag, meaning the race has started. The driver waited until the green flag before using the nitrous.
The “green” refers to the green flag, which signals the race is underway and drivers may accelerate and race at full speed. The speaker describes waiting for the green flag before activating nitrous.
Atlanta
"requests that had been made by officials at Charlotte and Atlanta for races at their facilities to not end under caution"
Atlanta refers to a NASCAR track near Atlanta. The hosts are saying officials there also wanted changes so races wouldn’t end under caution.
“Atlanta” refers to the NASCAR venue in the Atlanta area (historically Atlanta Motor Speedway), another track where officials requested race-ending procedures related to cautions. The point is that these requests took time to be implemented.
races not ending under caution
"he talked about requests that had been made by officials at Charlotte and Atlanta for races at their facilities to not end under caution and it wasn't until the early 2000s that that actually happened"
A “caution” is when NASCAR slows the cars down because something happened on track. The discussion is about trying to make sure the race finishes at full speed instead of ending while everyone is slowed down.
In NASCAR, a “caution” is when the race is slowed due to an incident, typically with yellow flags and reduced speed. The hosts are discussing rules/requests aimed at preventing the checkered flag from falling while the field is under that slowed condition.
Daytona
"of races not ending under caution but with an asterisk at Daytona and Talladega I still don't want to see races end under caution"
Daytona is a major NASCAR track in Florida. The hosts are saying the rules about race finishes under caution aren’t exactly the same there as at other tracks.
Daytona refers to Daytona International Speedway, one of NASCAR’s most famous superspeedways. The hosts mention it as a place where finishing under caution may still be handled differently (hence the “asterisk”).
Talladega
"with an asterisk at Daytona and Talladega I still don't want to see races end under caution"
Talladega is a big NASCAR track known for fast, close racing. The hosts are noting that it’s one of the tracks where the “don’t end under caution” idea has an exception.
Talladega refers to Talladega Superspeedway, another NASCAR superspeedway known for high speeds and tightly packed racing. The discussion pairs it with Daytona as tracks where caution-ending rules may be treated differently.
Demolition Derby
"but I'm also not sure how you keep it from becoming a demolition derby"
A “demolition derby” is a kind of event where cars crash into each other. The host is using it to say they don’t want the race to turn into a lot of reckless crashing.
The phrase “demolition derby” is used here as a metaphor for chaotic, contact-heavy racing where cars collide aggressively. The host is worried that removing caution-ending rules could increase reckless driving and pileups.
Mike Joy
"Rob also mentions the fact that Mike Joy has left Stafford Springs Motor Speedway in Connecticut to become the assistant PR person at Daytona"
Mike Joy is a well-known NASCAR announcer. The hosts are talking about how long he’s been in racing media and how impressive it is that he’s still doing it years later.
Mike Joy is a long-time NASCAR broadcaster known for calling races for decades. Here, the hosts discuss his career longevity and his move into an assistant PR role connected to Daytona, emphasizing how long he’s been involved in the sport.
assistant PR person
"to become the assistant PR person at Daytona now that's one thing just to see Mike Joy's name in a newspaper from 1978"
“PR” stands for public relations—roles focused on communications, media relations, and managing how an organization is presented to the public. The host is describing Mike Joy’s shift from broadcasting into a Daytona-related PR position.
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