Every Generation of Porsche 911 Ranked, Lamborghini Urus Convertibles? and MORE! EP22

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hello and welcome to this

carp I'm Kenan I'm filipo and today

we're going to talk about cars now this

week Kenan is out of town and so we've

pre-recorded this episode and so we have

no news to discuss so we're just going

to get right into talking about cars

starting with some interesting filipo

most popular thing that they do because

we've seen them around like in in new

they're in Laguna Beach yeah people have

them they're not that uncommon but so I

had an observation that about their

classic convertibles that they've done

the classics look like they should be

that way like they kind of like track

like this DB5 convertible looks like

they did make a DB5 convertible didn't

they I believe they I don't know if they

didong to the DB5 but here's a idea

maybe when they're making a classic

convertible they just they take the

coupe from the customer they go find a

convertible version and they and then

they just give it back to the customer

and say hey look what we did I mean

Rolls-Royce Kamar that was a heinous car

convertible or coupe right true but I

think the gem of all this is the Range

Rover Classic that they did which is one

of the roughest looking conversions I've

ever seen where's the top up picture

this one oh also it certainly seems like

they started with a four-door Range

Rover but two door range Classics exist

you know that

um that would be better to I'm sure

someone wanted a nice one but it would

be better to just buy a crappy one and

just take the roof off and not have a

cloth soft up and only drive it on nice

days that's probably the better way to

handle Baretta if you will Range Rover

barquetta yeah I love the cars that are

in the background here by the way y

Newport veral engineering these people

are gods and I love that they do this

work I love any sort of coachbuilt or

specialty made cars and I think this is

so cool right one final point on them is

their concept vehicles which I think are

better than anything else so there are

some of these that actually make sense

so one like the Lamborghini Urus

convertible I actually think that looks

kind of I will these are all Concepts

and they're clearly renderings and I

wonder how they would actually make it

work not how they would make it work

they' make it work but I think the

winner of them all from everything we've

discussed so far is the Porsche paname

convertible concept which is heinous

this is uh an a first this is a

facelifted first gen PanAm that we're

looking at and boy if you have one I

want to do this good luck to you but oh

it's bad I kind of do want to do it I I

it looks that I agree with you I don't

think it looks that bad I think it's

it's sool now I do wish that they had

hired I don't know literally anybody

with Photoshop

skill to do this but FIP what what would

this cost us do you think I mean we

could we could buy one of these panir

for like six right yeah 12 for a good

one hey wait kenon I found an actual

picture of one I'm gonna text it to you

you hold up your

screen okay a picture of one it looks

like it's got Saudi plates and uh this

is what I want th this doesn't look bad

I'm actually into this now W walk to

that camera and just or that camera hold

it up waitting wait why don't I hold it

up yeah that would have made so much

sense he said it to our friend okay all

right yeah why don't you just hold it up

but yeah this is I don't have it on my

phone oh no maybe I do because I S that

is what it looks like can you thank you

f there's so many and that is not

working oh my God here here here look at

that that's better thank you good I want

that looks like a 928 convertible that

they never made okay we've gone way off

the rails on convertible whatever that's

what you do when you go to Newport so

everybody I highly encourage you to go

check out their website Newport

convertible engineering or Newport

convertible.car and oversized and and

and embarrassing hard to find a parking

lot I'm embarrassed to own it I'm

embarrassed to drive it and it is great

and uh my wife even likes it and we've

gotten to the point where we kind of all

agree that it was the right

choice but I've been off-roading with it

because I go Offroad I drive on the

beach all the time H here and and it's

been it's been hard this summer there's

been a lot of uh soft sand people get

stuck all the time the sequ is doing

great it is the greatest off-roader that

I've ever had are you all concerned that

it's the widest vehicle yeah it's big

but we we ppf the size oh you ppf the

sides no just to the G wagon actually I

forgot but I don't care about the sides

of does it do better than the G wagon

yeah it's incredible you should see this

thing you put it in sand mode and

there's like 38 lines of defense and

people were like you bought this big

thing it's not going to Golf Road it's

so bar good and it's like well actually

no it it does a pretty good job and I'm

I'm I really like it and I like when I'm

in it I feel

powerful those camo fender flares just

tell all your neighbor Neighbors and

you're very taste Village that I'm here

look out yeah it's kind of embarrassing

but uh very embarrassing it does what I

wanted it to do it seats like 20 people

and it goes Offroad really well and it's

exactly what I wanted I have no regrets

about buying it many shortcomings you

have that and a G wagon parked in front

of your Charming New England House you

should be embarrassed the G wagon has

been great nobody seems to really care

about it though actually the wagon's

great it's a CET it's the convertible is

more Charming cuz it's weird but I mean

man I'm not surprised with the sequ is

great off-road that's why you bought it

and like I'm glad it does that um have

there been any times that you've

forgotten to put it into four-wheel

drive cuz have to manually put it drive

the weirdest thing about the new Sequoia

is that unlike every other SUV on the

planet you don't you you're not driving

around in a in an auto four-wheel drive

you have to do it yourself there's a

switch like in the old days uh and so

yeah no it hasn't happen yet but I'm

terrified where where have you gone like

have you gone just I've driven I'll tell

you I drove it over the Continental

Divide

whoa no really though it's been good and

everybody who made fun of me can eat

their words if only you could get a

picture of it with a

bison I will do you want me to do that

I'll do that on the way yeah can you do

that on the way back for me please I'll

go to South Dakota or North Dakota

whichever place it is uh all right fipo

give us something interesting you got

tires yeah can I talk about Chevy EVS

though you can talk about Chevy ev's

lease deals I see that in our little

document but the deal has to be so good

that it makes can and drop his draw and

if it isn't can I time him yeah okay if

it isn't if it isn't that good I am

going to um I'm gonna make you drive a

Honda prologue I would love to drive a

Honda Honda prologue or an Acura CX

first gen um slug nice uh here's what's

interesting about about Chevy EV so in

general EVS right now pretty cheap to

get Le seals especially quite attractive

across the market yeah um Chevy just

came out yesterday

with the Blazer EV and also with the

Equinox EV that nobody has reviewed or

talked about but are out like they're

available okay that means you can get an

EV that's brand new to the market 300

something miles a range and the car that

just came out yesterday is available for

about $330 a month as a leas deal with

with what down the eono the this I'm

looking at lease hacker which is a great

side of diat that the Equinox EV deal

that they have pre-negotiated for you

is, 1572 do it signing including taxes

and fees kenon can you pull up a picture

of an equinox EV I have no idea what

this he look that's what's notable these

These are great leaseful when an

automaker releases a car into heavy

incentives that's when you know you're

really doing well as a car company looks

good and I I I was able to find like one

or two reviews and it said that it was

good not great but good let me ask you a

question let me ask you a question and I

mean this With all sincerity in my heart

in the past when General Motors would

come out with undesirable cars which

let's be honest was almost all of them

they were able to sell them without any

problem to the rental car companies but

now they've come out with undesirable

electric cars and the rental car

companies want nothing to do with this

trash so this is what happens so General

Motors has been making undesirable cars

for my whole life and they used to just

Pawn them off on The Fleets Y and now

The Fleets won't even take them

which we thought was like the bottom of

the barrel like worst case scenario at

least The Fleets will take him now they

won't even take him and so now there's

their solution is to release a new car

and the moment it is released to offer

it with a lease incentive to make it

more attractive more affordable do you

want to know what the lease deal is if

you're a current Chevy bolt leasy or a

GM supplier or like a GM family $12 a

month

wow it's a good time if you're in the

market for e lease and you should

probably lease one for a bunch of

reasons it's

a of course the great humor in all this

is then the results of that is they'll

be all over Detroit and then GM

Executives will be like we're selling

these in big we're doing great we're

doing great on these the thing is the

the the looks great the Blazer UV looks

fine it's such a good car that Honda is

building them alongside it is it's

building the Honda version alongside it

so that's a testament to something I

want to talk about the Honda prologue a

second can you pull up a picture of that

to this day Honda won't let me review

one of these cars because they know I'm

going to be mean so I'm just going to be

mean without reviewing it let's do it

right

now you want prolog or the Acura ZDX

which is other I want to talk about the

prologue the ZDX is known to be bad the

prologue we should just discuss so the

the Honda prologue that's the Honda

prologue and and it's called the

prologue because it's a prologue to them

making good cars and the Honda prolog

has the following things that are good

about it six lug Wheels unfortunately

really concerned about them falling off

they really want make it has the

following things that are bad about it

pricing Performance Equipment

reliability desirability styling uh all

of those so there's six slug wheels in

the Pro column and in the negative

column it's all of everything actually

pretty

much have you seen one yet nope but I

did see an Acura ZDX advertised by the

Acura dealer outside of Costco yesterday

didn't I send you a picture of a

prologue that I saw on the street I I've

seen one to be fair I've seen one you've

seen one but we live in San Diego where

we see every every new car is that you

can find one in San Diego within like a

week of it coming out absolutely lots of

new cars especially lots of like new EVS

not

prologs here's what happens here's how

someone ends up with a prologue I'm

going to tell you the story they go into

the Honda dealer looking for a CRV

hybrid which is a good car a very high

highly competent car the dealer says we

don't have any of those or we have two

but they're over sticker but we got an

electric car now and it's called the

prologue and the person says oh and they

say yeah and we'll sell it to you for

$20,000 off and the person says well

what's the secret and they say it's

$25,000 and they say oh my God they'll

sell me this car for only $5,000 and

Honda says yes we will and that's how

that's what happens more or

less I I it's incredibly hard to

disagree with

that think you I love when things are

consistent or like car stories actually

happen I'm sure this will like this like

materialize you're meing it into

existence like you do with a lot of

other things K you should pick up a

Honda prologue cuz I bet you can get one

for 85% off I don't know but I got be

honest with you I can't believe with the

e400 or that thinking about that for a

can I can I give you can buy my E350 if

you want I do not want to any car no

offense I don't want to BU any car

you've ever that car is it's very we

maintain it well

um it's not clean but we maintain it

well um can I tell you a fun fact about

the Chevy Blazer sure Eevee uhuh I don't

know if this is still going to be true

cuz they keep changing their trims and

specs okay yeah when they first

announced it it was going to be

available as a front-wheel drive vehicle

as an all-wheel drive vehicle or as a

rear wheel drive vehicle and Kenan I

know what you're thinking what other car

is like that and the answer is none and

that's why another reason why the Blazer

EV was a terrible car you know the Tesla

has the selling points the supercharger

the self-driving the great range the

performance Chevy's selling point was we

do front-wheel drive we do rear wheeel

drive we do all-wheel

drive and a result no one has purchased

that or the Honda prologue okay can we

move on to cars that people actually

care about kenon tell us about your M5

and your withdrawals yeah so as many

people know yet again I'm talking about

my M5 you're playing the cars and bids

drinking game I've mentioned my M5 so go

ahead and take a sip but um I have been

it has been stationary for a while now

the by the time this film this comes out

it will already be back on the road

technically because I have the ABS

module is showing up on the this Friday

and so it'll be back I'll be driving it

again should be lovely but of course

I'll be on vacation now and I'm just

like I just can't stop thinking about it

like I when I know I'm very grateful

that you let me your car I'm very

grateful that our friend Kevin let me

his WX

STI I just realized that I have to be

driving something I care about that is

interesting to make me happy it has

actively made me less happy and less

affable to be around because I just

missed my car it's like such an

important part of my day and I look

forward to driving in your car and that

car you although your car is I prefer

the SX it's more fun in my opinion you

prefer my f500 bar to your other friends

uh impra WX STI hatchback yeah that's

more serious and like really brutally

uncomfortable but your car is like is

like fun and fizzy and cool but and the

STI is cool in a different way I guess

but I just miss liking driving I found

excuses not to go on as many trips I

found reasons not to go out and drive

around like I just don't want to drive

and when I do go like out to dinner or

something and I want to cruise down PCH

it's just I'm just like eager to get

home I'm like I just I'm over it like I

just want to be out of the car I don't

want to be in the car that's how much

the M5 means to me that like changes the

way that I approach my like life and I

just am so thrilled to use it and it's

so enjoyable it makes me so happy and

not having it has been made me really

sad so I miss I miss it dearly have you

considered falling in love with a car

that's reliable you know you know you

make them more

human you say that filipo but the dude

loves the car you know I've been

thinking about this because I I I think

about kenan's finances more than I think

about breathing and water and but I've

decided that if he you know he loves the

car what can you say he he's it's

changed his life he's sitting here

saying that he's not as happy of a

person on a day-to-day basis because he

can't shift that light gear stick yeah

yeah it's true like you know I also

realized like I've spent a lot of money

on the car and especially recently but

and I know I look like an idiot right

now not to call BMW classic but they

don't support their cars very very well

and for a variety of reasons

manufacturers don't want to fulfill

contracts that have expired to make

these parts but there are parts that I

have bought that you know Ryan has shown

me how many are left in the world and

I'm not going to look like an idiot in

five years when you can't get some of

these basic consumable components you

know what you should do is hoard them

remember Carl did that when I bought my

4G he bought like seats and steering

wheels and stuff and was selling them

for like 10x that's a little like I

don't need seats and steering wheels but

I have I have kept around because the

steering wheel can be rewrapped and so

can seat but I have bought components

for the car that will keep it on the

road for a very long time and so I know

I look stupid now but and I know like

replacing the unbodied plastic is

ridiculous but when like when you buy

components when there are legitimately

five of them left on the world and I buy

one of them or like my lower timing

chain guides when I did the system last

year I bought the last ones on the

planet you can't get them anymore and so

like this is why you should hoard dude

and I'll tell you something I did this

with the 4D GT can go on eBay right now

ebay.com go right now type in all right

so when I bought my 4D GT my garage

situation was such that had just that I

scraped the front splitter coming out of

my garage right and so I thought to

myself this car is out of production

this is six seven years ago this car is

out of production I'm gonna get a 4GT

I'm gonna get two extra front Splitters

and I'm gonna really Corner that market

and I'll have them forever so type in

for GT front splitter you got to put 4

GT in quotes

uh and so I bought two of these front

Splitters and I paid 500 bucks and you

know what they cost now 500 bucks

yeah you you say this but like okay so

steering if you want to use the steering

wheel example I found out last night the

e395 uses the same wheel I I think it is

actually a good a good

strategy for some reason this particular

part didn't work out for me but

generally this is a good idea in theory

now I know people who have like

duesenbergs who like say they're

actually easier to keep on you think

there's a lot of aftermarket support

like the community has risen to make the

components themselves but the E39 M5

although there are companies that make

parts for that car and some of them are

very good and other qualities

questionable like it hasn't risen to

that stage yet because it hasn't needed

to it will eventually but I mean but

also will it I don't know who knows

thrilled that it brings you that level

of joy and that you're willing to invest

that amount of money to keep your level

of Joy up well I mean that look you you

you have to spend money on things that

make you happy and that car makes me so

happy every day I'm glad the real

question is would a car that had a 10th

the miles make you that same car 10 mil

make you equally happy and be a better

investment here's the thing no maybe

here's the thing with that is like the

stuff I've done you will have to do if

you have one period you'll have to do it

and when the components are no longer

available you're screwed so like I just

don't I think that H I'm also a believer

in one that has miles where every mile I

drive it doesn't actively devalue the

car it's like the happy medium though

kenon is is not to daily the car and I

think yeah I'm getting to that point I I

no we shouldn't go down that if makes

happy to daily drive it he has a car

with 235,000 I'm not saying you

shouldn't I don't think you shouldn't

but I'm saying if you wanted to keep the

cost down like fipo just said like I

think the reality of the situation is

the way that people do you're saying if

you have one of these you have to do

this but the way to prolong the life of

having to do this stuff is by driving it

less so if you putting 3,000 miles on

the car year instead of 12 some of the

parts you are placing at this this comp

because you're using it so much would

actually be stretched out three four

five years I'm not you should do this

I'm not saying you should do this but

what I'm saying is like I a suspicion

that just few less frequent use would

probably Cost You Less yeah well I don't

disagree with that although really some

of the parts will time out do the rubber

just like degrading over time and like

that's just life and I'll have to figure

that out but like yeah I mean there's

something to it like I'm also very

precious about the car like I've always

been really careful about it now I have

so much money into it except for that

one time you ran into that poor teacher

well that was after that I became really

no I was still very precious at that

time and that was one of the worst and

most traumatizing experiences of my life

so thank you for bringing that up you're

so but nonetheless like I just adore

that car I just think it is the coolest

I went and sat in it the other day and I

was like oh man I just missed this car

I'm really I think this shows the

different the key difference between

Canada and I my car starts having issues

that I'm like I'm GNA Le a lot of most

people you don't you're not driving an

iconic special you're driving a an

E-class station wagon we have to move on

we have to move on we have to move on we

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things on market report and then we're

going to move on to questions because we

kind of skipped it last week uh Kenan

here's something incredible for you you

should be talking about type in Audi RS5

to the search bar oh yeah I know what

you're going to

say a great car are you aware that those

V8 ones which were only sold for two

model years yes 156 right it was 15 16

are now 25 Grand that's that's wild to

me this is a beautiful car styled by an

Italian like all beautiful cars were it

is a naturally aspirated V8 400 50

horsepower oh they were tip only which

is kind of a drawback but it is

beautiful it is na8 it is fast it's

faster than anything fipo has even ever

driven and it sells for 25,000 us and

it's rare it is a rare and special car

yeah I love those if if one of my

co-workers at the Exotic Car Dealership

I worked at Arthur had one of these in

white and oh man every time he showed up

in it it just looks it's so cool great

car that engine too 13 14 15 those were

the moders three years but they're very

very very very rare cars they didn't

make a lot of them and since then they

switched the RS5 to a tur turbo V6 which

by the way has less power than the

original na so even to this day the RS5

has less power than the original V8 one

that came out back in 2013 25 Grand 25

Grand with with 40,000 miles K FIP how

come you haven't bought one of these um

that's a good question it's too old for

you and doesn't have it's so beautiful

is such a beautiful

car you can tell when you look at that

car that an Italian design it can can I

jump off still looks good that's H all

right I have a question for you well

there's another sports car that's around

the same price now 20 to 25k okay which

is focus rs's somehow they have

plummeted in like the last six months

and kenon which would you rather have I

mean very fair great it's a legitimate

question though it's it's a couple model

difference yes no it's not you only buy

manual cars this is a manual

well yeah but than that but other than

that this is like the WRX and it's like

it's not it's not I hate this and you

would love an RS5 I would have an RS5 as

a daily and some manual sports car and

you could that's an amazing garage you

put it together for 50 Grand RS5 and a

996 that is a great garage for

$50,000 and every time you take out your

car you're driving something special and

every time you take out your car you're

driving something faster than a filipo

mobile I mean fact yeah that's bar low

bar to clear but it's a very low hurdle

um but you're right I agree Focus RS as

have gotten

cheaper car I would choose the

rs52 even boom everyone would choose the

RS5 they're absolute bargains they look

incredible God look at the RS5 that

slab-sided

beauty yeah it is I remember vividly

when these cars came out and I remember

seeing an A5 just for the very first

time in my I have pictures of it I took

on like with a cellone camera in Period

and it just like it and yeah it is a

very good looking very very very good of

course the current Five series looks

identical so but the current yeah well

that's because it was beautiful exactly

like Ram Audi realized hey we had we

let's exploit this Italian who designed

this car for us and let's just let it

run forever because it was the only

beautiful thing we ever created what

what's the name of the Italian that

designed it Walter D Sila you know him

probably personally it's a small country

first

Walter yeah yes um and it's such a cool

car and yes of course they're still

using that design by the way an

interesting fact and this is Ford

admitting the Focus RS is not as good as

the Audi RS5 you know the best package

of the Focus RS was called the RS

2 nice that's so great well done okay I

have a market report topic for us that's

going to be controversial but I think

it's time that someone says it we all

want to say it fipo wanted to say it for

years it's time to talk about thought it

for years the mercedesbenz w124 and w126

okay so the w124 was the E-class that

was sold from 86 to 95 but more

importantly the w126 was the S-Class

that was sold from like 83 until like

yesterday no until like

91 and there has been like speculation

that these cars will become desirable at

some point and they never have and I

have decided after a lot of

consideration that they never

will they simply never will people come

to me and they're like I got a perfect

w126 560 seal pull these up kenon type

in 560 seal and and people are like I

got a really really perfect one low

miles it's incredible you know what

that's worth 10 12 and the reason is

actually Mercedes made the cars too good

they are incredibly iable they are

incredibly durable they never break they

never fail and so it's actually quite

easy to find a low mileage nice version

of this car we've sold ones with 40,000

and 20,000 miles for 20 grand the great

shoot up of 88 560 seal values has never

come and will never come they are simply

too good and too preserved and too easy

to find so many of them yeah you are a

problem to have you you are right I'm

glad that somebody was finally brave

enough to say it out

that I really believe it though because

I've talked to a lot of people who are

like yeah I'm hard I got a few of these

560sl or I'm thinking about getting one

because values can't stay low forever

and I'm here to say they will they are

they will they're never going to

increase so go and drive it and enjoy it

one 12 fours are interesting because I

feel like one

123s had a Heyday they and they there's

something but not a ton no you're right

about that but only a very specific one

two three like a turbo diesel wagon with

low miles and even then it's not like it

ever got to 100 Grand like an air cooled

911 like it it that was a reare car to

begin with especially kept in nice shape

but the 560s are even more common in

nice shape s-classes in general were

preserved better because they were

always nicer cars and se's S they just

they didn't break they were made really

well and they're just not rare and

they're not they're not hard to find in

nice

shape great Market Insight Douglas it's

a $10,000 car it is all day it's the it

might be the best $10,000 car in the

world no because the car you're about to

talk about I think is the best $10,000

car $6,000 car in the world oh man pull

it up pull tell

kenon o we sold on cars and bids

recently we've sold two unmodded

o this one no the sedan and you can

click on the wagon but the sedan too wow

$7,400

I I legitimately thought about buying

this

car no you

didn't this car this car wow unmodded

just like so clean for Seven Grand wow

okay so here's here's a theory I have

about these I've been sitting on the

beach a lot just thinking about car

market here's the theory I have about

these are we calling that work or just

the the Integra Type R okay that's a car

that has now become very valuable a nice

Integra Type R is like a $50,000 car

yeah tell me why this is any different

this car is more powerful it has

all-wheel drive as opposed to

front-wheel drive it is probably rarer

yes the integr type R at 190 horsepower

this at 227 uh it is probably rarer in

unmodified Nice condition because people

knew to save the itrs and they didn't

save the apreas tell me why an O2 WRX in

like 15 years doesn't start to become

like a super turbo or a z32 300ZX start

I think you said it because people knew

to preserve the other car and so I I

think it's like that Mystique is just

like grown and grown and grown I don't

know these you're talking about an

exceptional exam exceptional examples

being worth a lot of money one day I

agree $7,400 is ridiculously got 112,000

miles to be quick this car is a bargain

yeah I I think it I actually agree with

you that it is a bargain but it just

isn't uh it I don't I don't know I can't

put my finger on why but you know why

because Subaru made slightly improved

version of these and Acura never made

another good car they made the RSX Type

S made never made car that's a little

extrem a little extreme but you get the

pointx type

S what sir they made the RSX Type S

that's not something it had sixspeed

manual one more gear it had more power

20 more horses it was also a VTEC it was

also all that stuff and in Canada they

sold base model RSX with hubcaps this to

be fair the RSX is worth identical to

what the to what this WRX is worth

they're all wor nice RSX pipe s is worth

like 30 and this WX is undervalued what

what since one has a night like that one

was special but it's also an outlier the

rest are worth 20 nice RSX Type s's

bring money we just sold one for 15 we

just sold another one for 18 if you had

an

o2x an O2 WRX is not selling for 18 even

if it had one mile and kenon licked the

steering wheel

Valor I don't want my saliva on stering

I would then clean it with leather

cleaner car is a future Classic this car

changed the world it brought Japanese

performance cars back to the US after

they all went away it was the video game

car the first one that came Evo didn't

come to low three GTR didn't come to low

7 this thing showed up and said yes we

will try performance cars in America and

now they sell they are relegated to the

corners of cars and bids where they sell

for for Seven Grand it is a

TR so what you're saying is that

Mercedes-Benz is drive those cars not

worth anything so you you want to put a

date on when this one will be worth

something just like you did with the

Land Cruiser a couple weeks ago because

I have it in my calendar I'll I add it

this one give me yeah okay well I'll

tell you another thing 2.5 rs's this is

the real travesty of the whole thing the

the previous model was was was sold from

in the US from 94 to 01 WX in preses

they never did a WX but they did a 2 5

RS which was the performance version

with 165 horsepower naturally aspirated

nice 2.5 RS is sell for like 30 and this

car which has 60 more horsepower is

$77,000 so I don't know when it's going

to happen Kenan but it's going to happen

the moral story is according to Doug if

you have one of these cars and it's very

nice and very clean and very unmodified

no one does hold on to it exactly this

one was it and you missed it so

congratulations to whoever won this one

it is quite a car I want that thing so

bad I mean I mean look when you go into

the known flaws section you see a front

end collision at 04 a rear end collision

at 06 peeling clear coat front bumper

shows signs of repaint foggy headlight

lenses seepage under the engine the

seller himself describes the ride as

bouncy due to worn struts and shocks

there's rust on the underbody engine bay

wiper arms and real wheel AR and the air

conditioning doesn't work but other than

those problems

this so this is so what do you think

someone's going to modify the ever

living crap out of this now yes this car

is done dude kenon this car already has

had the engine taken out of it it's

already got some sort of weird short

block in it and it's on bad wheels and

it's already it's already on Neons can

can I ask you a related question when

will the current WRX become worth

something uh it the current value of the

new of the current WX is actually the

highest that it ever be so correct okay

I want to move on to questions I want to

move on to questions we have questions

and we have to take them because the

people want to know things with pleasure

they want to know things now remember

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bids.com it's an auction website okay so

here's what we're gonna

do we're gonna take now last week we

only took a couple questions because we

had a longer market report seg because

we had John tamaran come in guest St and

he was excellent this week we're gonna

take all the questions we didn't take

last week plus more okay so we begin

with a question from IND can question

for Doug Kennan and filipo what is one

feature from an older discontinued car

that you wish was standard on Modern

cars that is tell you the answer but I'm

curious your

thoughts that is a good

one that is a good fipo do you need me

to tell

you um well I keep thinking please do

tell us your guys are gonna agree with

this and then we're going to move on but

the 1998 Lincoln Navigator had climate

controls on the steering wheel the Prius

does that now maybe did it I don't know

I I don't know what the inside of a new

Prius looks like but that was a thing in

the first few GS first three Gs

so if you wanted to increase the AC you

it's just like how your car has steering

wheel radio

controls they had climate controls whoa

you say whoa but that's a good Fe did it

from 03 to I don't know when it is a

good feature it is hard I had it a one

Prius and I didn't have that I should

have said second gen or third gen

depending on your definition on the that

is my defin there

was came out not three

um and I think it was 04 actually um

okay do you have a better exam answer no

that's a good one a feature that was

from the old school oh you know another

one is vent windows on the front ah yeah

that would be

nice yeah those are nice I would like

headlights that when something goes

wrong just keep working like just

replace a bulb that's not a feature that

old car's hand no but I have feelings

about her

dipsticks dipsticks is a great one a

great one well when we were in in Italy

we spent some time with my sister who

had also had a rental car and she had an

an Audi A4 wagon rental car wow nice she

got to check your oil level light right

cuz it's a 6,000 kilometer Audi and

that's what happens yes Jes it is

exclusively in the infotainment

system so like okay what do you want me

to do drive it around for 20 minutes and

then it'll tell me the oil level but

then I can't do anything about it cuz it

like yells at you if you open the hood

and the engine hot there's no dipstick

there's no dip stick whatsoever it's

just it's so simple it was technology

that worked I will stick with my yeah

it's a key that you twist to turn on the

car I like but I'm sticking with the

dtick I think what are you a por 911

ftic we used to I'm like a quarter step

removed from quarter step is right all

right now we know dipti that is not an

acceptable answer diti is an acceptable

answer dipstick is probably the right

answer although the climate you and I

win he came up with

nothing true okay next question from oh

yes yes Doug a billionaire offers you $3

million to drive to Barrow Alaska in the

heart of Winter in your Countach uh

you're allowed to use anything necessary

to complete this journey but if it's

late fall and but if you're late or fail

you get nothing and you're presumably

stuck in central Alaska or equivalent

with a Countach apparently in January he

didn't say that at the start uh would

you do it million

is the 3 million taxable fipo what do

you think no okay um yeah I'd probably

do it I think I could do it would you do

I'll go with you if you give me

something from that $3 million would we

have to fix it or what no you could use

a $3 million to fix it bring some tools

you're allowed to use anything necessary

to complete the journey well I bring I'd

bring George Evans and I'd charge him

whatever he want i' tell him I'd give

him half million and then I get two and

a half million and we definitely make it

there go you could just talk about

Countach just the whole way and L m2s

and all those car we we would talk about

what we would do with the

money um what amount of money would you

do it for like what's the minimum oh

that's a good question Pro I'd probably

do it for uh well what would George

Evans do it for because he's riding with

me you know that's that starts to become

the problem uh would either of you do

this yes for for for notably less money

I don't have you do it for what would I

have to pay you to do you do it for

100,000 in in what car so L I'd probably

do it for 100,000 the count oh yeah i'

as long as like that the 100,000 doesn't

include taxes like snow tire yeah I

would do for 100,000 no questions asked

it would be long that' be fine it would

be exciting it would be I've never been

to Alaska not after the third day no as

long as I have my air P pod so I can

kind because the noise is very exciting

in short burst but man you got to drown

that stuff out cu those carbs are I got

a I got a stereo in there I listen to

music yeah it's really not good um

that's not the point of the car it's an

interesting premise I mean there is a

guy who drives it's not a Kos but a guy

with a 308 Brian's questional decisions

on Instagram has driven his 308 I think

he drove it to Dead Horse laska which

memory serves is the most Northerly town

in the United States I believe not Amer

but he drove that through Canada drove

it back drives all over the West skiing

and you can see his car constantly he

hasn't posted in a year I wonder what

happened got tired there's a but he was

leaving some National Park the throttle

cable snapped and he had to like figure

it out on the side of the road and it's

just so cool like that's so interesting

it's such an we did that right yeah but

the keychain that keychain

work replaced a throttle or fixed a

throttle cable on the side of the road

that is exactly

righted no cold ones all right okay next

question from Bradley Bronson keep sell

or destroy Mercedes AC class Mitsubishi

Mirage B9

Tribeca I okay I know which of these is

my favorite but I don't know if I want

to keep it or not I the a class is your

favorite you want no no no no no the B9

Tribeca is the absolute favorite of

these I will keep that one I will sell

the a class I will destroy the Mirage

yeah that's the answer Ken do you have

for what it's worth the B9 tra is the

one that's worth the least out of these

so no point in selling that one I'm

partial it's traffic to me next question

also from Bradley Bronson Doug when will

you buy a Fiat multiply Fleet B do you

want to answer that one Doug and I have

talked extensively about whether we

should buy if you have multip if you

think we should write to Doug personally

and convince him no I don't know I kind

of want one but it's so hard to find a

answer for me is never but I would

contribute to Fiat to Filippo's Fiat

multiple

fun it might happen at some point dude

the one I drove at Lane was good it was

like I'm not screwing with you it was

legitimately good to drive it's it's a

great car I only saw one in three weeks

in Italy I saw one field

multiplay

first I remember when I went to ital

in

11 yeah no 10 they were pretty around

and these days second gen ones are

around second gen are around yeah you

see second gen you need a first you

don't want that

want they made it look normal if I want

a second I'm just gonna buy an Opel of f

instead that's exactly right if I wanted

if I wanted a normal looking car I'd get

an opal

zafira I actually like how the Opel

zafira looks it it's kind of like a

second gen field

multiple yeah that's true or any other

MPV so there right it's a it's a big yor

you know what it looks like is the K

Rondo um which fun fact was sold in the

US with seven seats Kenan doesn't know

what that is no nor does he believe that

you could fit seven humans in it how

often do you think a car comes up that

Kenan is never even heard of but was

sold in the United stains every I tell

you three times in the last question but

La class wasn't sold in the US though so

yeah okay okay this is next question is

a great one this is for me and kenon F

you can step out of this one Luke 26

what would you rank every generation 911

from best to

worst best do you know the 911 gen's

well enough to do this he doesn't yeah

of course I do no no I'm saying you phip

I'm saying you kenon phip go

out man best

993

997 after

993 you got to go 964 after 993 I think

you think the 964 is better than 997 I

think the 993 is the only good one no

I'm kidding um wow damn a

purist well wouldn't I have said a gbody

okay

993 worst is I mean I hate to say it but

like I'm not a 991 992 guy and I'm not

an old school

guy so like the old cars the 60s ones

can duke it out with the with the

Tiptronic

stuff H and then you put 996 above those

that's a good question damn okay

993 I still think 997 I mean you're

talking about just the base 911 or like

the whole range of 911s you pick a 997

over a 964 I mean that feel of that air

cooled with the old school shift cable I

mean that's those are it is I mean but

again like so it's we're just comparing

bass model 911 is what you're saying I

think we're talking about the whole

range GT3 RS 4 ler I mean you're going

to say that you'd rather be driving a a

I guess you well the comparison to that

would be a turbo 36 but right I mean a

turbo 36 Co car and I would rather have

that then well I don't know four liter

is pretty cool um that is difficult to

say that is really hard if if you if it

were Bas 911 to base 911 that is a more

apt comparison it changes let's say it's

B 91 base 911 99

three

999

one I love I do love the 991 and the

base one is really good and I won't want

this as a daily at some point I think

it'll be really fun yeah 964 997

996 is the Pu does the puffy count no no

Puff the old stuff which I don't get

into well it would be I guess it would

be G for you would be gbody above the

like the K body

even then though not my

thing yeah I don't know yes yeah I'd

have to come back to that I really have

to think about that one but yeah I do

think I agree 993 is the best and I

agree that the early

stuff for me it's like I'm not as

interested in any of that if I had I'm

thinking now if I had them all sitting

here lined up with the keys in them what

would you rather get into 993 first the

second one I would rather get into is

not a 997 it would be a 964 and then the

next one I would get into for base 911s

would be a 991 probably and then

probably a 996 and then a 997 I know

that's very or 997 intriguing I would

put the 997 above the 996 but and I love

the 996 but I think that like yeah base

I I think we we're close I think I would

do 99

993 I think yeah 993 997 991

9964 then kind of I guess 992 also is

down there down n okay here's an

interesting one what if it was

turbos o uh

993 yeah is the best number one but then

997 yeah and then

964 probably probably 964 is

next this is a great this is a great

version of the question because it

neutralizes the the new ones because you

wouldn't want the automatics right

that's so true it does uh yeah I would

say uh

after yeah h man yeah I think I agree I

think I probably would put the 996 above

the 930 um but 930 is so cool but yeah I

I would do that it would go 993

997 um 964 996 930 I apologize to

anybody who's not a Porsche fan you guys

are doing this I've been thinking about

my favorite Porsche McAn generation from

best the only one okay we have one more

question one more question one more

question one more question and it comes

to us from AC

1592 and the question no let's do this

question from Amron if you all had to

pick one car to own from each other's

car history what would it be oh whole

history well that's easy for kenon very

easy but yeah from yours I mean I don't

want a 525 35 35 I don't want the 355 no

no no 355 uh it's easy for me for a dog

it's got to be the

that's the coolest car G it's got a v

Lama V you keep it I want to hear those

cars going you know it's just sucking

away I just want to hear I just love the

Kos every time I get to start it for you

is a good day I feel better when I leave

I just it's so cool sure not the well no

you start the way I started it's just it

doesn't because I know how to operate it

um but but I just love I just think that

car is the coolest damn thing it's so

awesome

Doug from your car history I I would

choose either the 4D GT or your E63 AMG

wagon E450 alterrain is what you should

choose he3 mg

wag you forit the alter and you should

choose it in real life too no I would

choose fiat's Filippo's Fiat yeah you

don't want my um e53 X5 stick Kon

thought about that but no n what about

my your ath is the coolest for sure yeah

is the coolest it is fun it's rough but

that's fun those are good questions they

were all lovely oh by the way there's

one other question I want to answer it's

from Alex f505 he says when cars and

bids first started in 2020 the cut off

for cars do model year 1980 how was this

decided 1981 and was there a lot of

thought put into the exact year first

off the the premise is wrong it was

never 1980 the cut off was always 1981

and the reason for this is and to answer

the second part of the question the

17-digit VIN came in 1981 which we felt

when we were launching the business

would make everything a lot easier to

verify in terms of Carfax and just like

vin it's very difficult to keep track of

pre-1980 car pre 1981 cars and serial

numbers and you start getting into like

block stamping and things like that and

it's it's a lot more challenging and so

1981 was always the cut off because of

the 17d digit finin and and also you

know the 80s and I mean that that those

two things kind of were able to combine

and and we do turn down by the way 1980

model cars we don't sell those we never

have sold those correct um and there's

never been a 1980 car on Cars and it's

only

81 to the

present correct that was off camera

sorry my microphone uh okay there we go

that was our finest podcast ever Kenan I

hope you're enjoying Monteray car week

which was where you are right now I'll

come with stories for the next

podcast what's that I will come with

stories to aail everyone with from for

the next podcast fipo meanwhile fix your

headlights you got to be able to see

indeed goodbye everyone goodbye

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