Fatal Crash Prevention at the IIHS, Subaru Forester Hybrid, & New Engine in the Jeep Grand Cherokee

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On our show today, Motor Week FYI reporter Stephanie Hart has stopped by with the latest

on what's going on to reduce highway fatalities with her recent visit to the Insurance Institute

for Highway Safety. That's always a critical subject for all of us that love to drive.

We also have a pair of new SUVs to talk about, the long-awaited hybrid version of Subaru's

sales leader, the 2025 Forester Hybrid. And that will wet our whistle for another widely

anticipated effort, the inclusion of the Hurricane inline engine in a substantially revised 2026

Jeep Grand Cherokee. Plus, as usual, we'll let our crew have a go at a trending subject on our

lightning round and try to answer a question from a Kia and Hyundai fan. Joining us today are

our assistant road test producer and your drive expert, Logan McCombs. Hello. Our digital producer,

Jessica Ray. Hey everybody. And our special guest FYI reporter, Stephanie Hart. Hi. And Stephanie,

let's start off our podcast with you and you just completed an FYI segment about the state of

highway safety. And in particular, the stubborn problem of fatal highway crashes. I know you

took your crew to Charlottesville, Virginia and the Close Buy Insurance Institute for Highway

Safety. So why don't you take it from there? Just how bad of a problem is it? So the problem

right now is the number of highway fatalities is still 20% higher than it was 10 years ago.

So there were over 39,000 crash deaths last year alone. That seems like a lot,

given all the safety stuff that goes into cars. Yes. So pedestrians, motorcyclists and bicyclists

together make up 36% of motor vehicle crash deaths. So IIHS is really trying to reverse

those numbers. It's a startling trend. It's really shocking to find that out, especially since there

has been so many advancements as far as vehicle crash avoidance technology and our vehicles are

smarter than ever. So it is surprising to hear this. As you know, IIHS has been crash testing

cars for over 30 years and they've made great strides in safety. They've added crash avoidance

tests, but a lot of those safety benefits have been counteracted by different things like larger,

heavier vehicles. The pension for everybody to drive big trucks and SUVs. Exactly. So

they're less friendly to pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists when a crash occurs, of course.

So vehicles have improved tremendously over the years and they are complete, as we know,

with crash avoidance technology. But risky driving behavior like speeding, drinking and

driving, distracted driving and not wearing a seatbelt all contribute to these high number of

deaths. So IIHS has set a new ambitious goal to reduce fatalities 30% by 2030. That is ambitious.

So from what you were just saying, it seems like while maybe vehicle to vehicle crashes have had

some mitigation, it's the pedestrian aspect that seems to be on the rise or the motorcycle.

Yep. And IIHS has added new crash avoidance testing to help that. So we'll have to keep

our eye on that and see how everything goes. Did you get a clear idea of what exactly they're

going to propose? So they have some short-term goals right now. Some roadway design improvements,

red light safety cameras, speed safety cameras. But this is going to be a long game since,

as all of us know, the average vehicle is about 12 years old on the road. So it's going to take

a while for all of the new vehicle technology to catch up. I don't know about the rest of the

folks sitting around the table, but you know, we in our local area around the Baltimore or

metropolitan area, it does seem that on the interstates that speeds have increased greatly

since the pandemic. Definitely. And I know the one thing that probably mitigates all this,

the electronics we're putting in cars is extra speed. I've never liked the idea of speed cameras,

but I wonder if their time hasn't come. Oh, I mean, I think actually here in Maryland in

Baltimore specifically, we've found that they work specifically on the JFX on Route 83,

which is this main highway that goes into Baltimore City. And a few years ago, they put

speed cameras on the highway and they move them around periodically. But if there's a crash on

that road, you are stuck in traffic for a very long time. And they've already, they found immediately

that it actually brought fatalities and crashes down. There are, as far as I know, on my commute

to work, I hit a bunch of different speed cameras. And I think they really do help. I mean, I see

people slowing down. So, Logan, you've been silent so far. What's your take on this?

I think the only way speed cameras actually work is if they're moved around. I think if

they're in the same spot, they don't really work. Because just like driving here, there's a speed

camera that the flow of traffic is generally 65. And then the zone is 45. And everyone knows where

the speed camera is, so everyone just slams on their brakes, which I think can cause another

problem. You know, can cause more accidents. I think moving them around is what makes them

beneficial. It's not just the camera themselves. You know, Stephanie, in the past, the IHS with

all of their video crash tests, which really brought them from obscurity to mainstream popularity and

what they were doing, has focused on making the manufacturers do more. Do you think that's still

going to be the trend there from what you saw? They told me the ultimate goal is for all manufacturers

to earn high ratings. On their safety tests. Correct. And they all strive for that. Yeah.

Yeah. If anything, now their IHS tests winning their top safety picks an awfully big deal.

Oh, yes. I feel like a lot of the press previews that I've been on recently,

a lot of the manufacturers make a point to point out the upgrades they've done to their cars so

that they can get that top safety plus. So they also mentioned that they're going to include

bicyclist targets and small commercial vehicles like that delivery truck you see in your driveway.

So they're going to drive at those to collect, you know, life saving data.

Yeah, especially now because you see so many more of these delivery vehicles on the roads

coming into your neighborhood, which you never saw, you know, 10 years ago or 15 years ago,

they are pretty much non existent. They also stress that it's a team effort. Technology and

vehicle design change alone are not going to be enough. And so they need to tackle this road

safety crisis as they called it from all sides. So it's it's obviously it's there's so many parts

to this. Yeah. Well, judging from their past success, I think they probably will make some

inroads. Anything else that you gain from the visit? Because that's we don't get down there very

often. Yeah, the cool and shock factor was I got to see a crash test in progress. So that was pretty

cool. It was very jarring. It really was. What was it that that stood out from you when you I mean

the first time you ever see two vehicles or a vehicle crashed into a barrier, I don't I don't

know what they actually did for you. But it is startling. So what was your take on it? I jumped.

For some reason, I thought the shrapnel was going to hit me so I covered my face and sort of ducked

down. But I don't know why I thought that because I was in the safe zone. I was very far away. I

think it was the noise. It was just so loud. And you know, that really startled me. It is it's

it's a traumatic experience to watch. So you get an idea of what it's like to actually be involved.

Well, great. Thanks very much for a very good report. I know you've got a run, but thanks so

much for stopping by and bringing us up to date on your FYI segment and what's going on at the

Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Stephanie's latest and very timely FYI segment is on our

most recent episode number 4507. It's been shown on most PBS stations this week. So if you missed

it, it's on both our free Motor Week app and also on our YouTube.com slash Motor Week channel

under the FYI banner. Worth a look. Now on with the show and an update on one of the most familiar

vehicles on the highway, the Subaru Forester year in and year out, one of the most popular family

SUVs around noted for its great people and cargo capabilities. And of course, it's Subaru heritage

of high quality and safety. If owners have been wanting anything, it's better fuel economy,

which up until now the combined rating has been at a not bad 28 and 29 miles per gallon. But now

that's changed in a pretty substantial way. And Jessica, why don't you introduce us to the new

Forester Hybrid? It is, in my opinion, the best Forester you can buy. And you heard it here,

folks. I am a big hybrid proponent. I think that it brings a much better overall driving experience

to most vehicles when they get hybridized. And that is the case here in this Forester. Basically,

just takes a normal Forester and adds some Toyota hybrid technology into the mix. That being said,

you actually still have the same 2.5-liter boxer four-cylinder engine that's going to be in the

ICE model. The one interesting thing that they did note is that it actually now runs on the Atkinson

cycle. So that is different than the ICE version. So it makes it more efficient. It's supposed to

overall just run more efficient. Now, I think you would know a little bit more than me about what

exactly the cycles and stuff mean. Well, it's been around for a long time. I think Toyota probably

was the first one that hybridized it. But basically, it uses a leaner fuel mix, I believe.

So you have that. That's the one big change. But the bigger change is that while it still

uses the same transmission housing, this now has a motor inside the transmission very similar to

the Toyota hybrids. So that overall it is much smoother, less complicated. So no belts and

pulleys like the typical ICE version. I mean, to be honest, let's see. A lot of people really don't

like those CVT engines or transmissions that they have. So that being said, 194 horsepower,

199 pound feet of torque, that's about 14 more horsepower than the ICE version,

and almost 20 more pound feet of torque as well. I thought it was noticeable. Yeah,

it was noticeable. Not sluggish at all on the highway. Again, I think that if I was to look

really hard and compare this to say something like the RAV4 hybrid, that I would say that maybe this

is a little less refined, but just a little less refined. And overall, that MPG, we're talking 35

miles per gallon combined. So that's a substantial, what, 20% increase?

And I mean, so my test loop saw about 37.8 miles per gallon on a highway trip that I did over a

long weekend, which was great. But we combined two milages together. Somebody else did another

test loop that got a little bit less. So we actually hit 34.7 MPGs. Right on the money.

Right on the money. So basically, I'll give like a real life example of this. My cousin has

a Forester, I think a 2019 or 2018. And I remember looking at her, the MPG count on the

label. No, no, on the one that's on the car. That's the real life one that's happening,

the dashboard. Sorry. Yeah, couldn't figure out that word. And so she lives in an area where it's

stop and go. She almost never goes over 40 miles per hour. And her like MPGs was sitting at about

like 21, which is just not good. So this is really great for people who are doing a lot of city

driving. So they're seeing maybe less than the average. And that's been true of hybrids all along.

Yes. And that has been a point that's gotten totally lost on those people. Absolutely.

Because the more you use the electric powertrain, the higher your fuel economy is. Exactly. And

that's a low speed system. Yeah, that always bugged me when people were like, yeah, but I drove on

the highway. I went on a trip and I got such good fuel economy. Okay, but like, that's you do that

trip how often? Maybe once twice a year. But your daily driving is getting the city, which is not

great. So I'm a big proponent of that. On the outside and the inside, you really got to not

notice much of a difference between the hybrid version and the gas version other than some hybrid

badging. I should note too that the hybrid is a powertrain that's available on every

Forester trim, except for the base model and the wilderness, which of course the wilderness is the

the more off roady version. So it sticks with the pure ice powertrain. Now that being said,

there is no spare tire on the Forester hybrid Subaru fans aren't happy about that. They are not

happy about it. If you watch if you see any of the comments on any of the the content surrounding

the Forester hybrid and also the Crosstrek hybrid, which is we're going to be testing soon,

both of them do not have a spare tire. They I guess because they made took some of that room for the

for the hybrid battery. The hybrid battery is sitting behind the passenger the rear seats. So

you you're going to lose that if you want to at least keep the a similar amount of cargo space,

which this does have. Now overall again, like I said, not too much different, but things I will

note, of course, it still has the same infotainment system, which I would agree is probably the

weakest point of the Subarus. I think it's just it's kind of laggy when it's really hot out. It's

kind of laggy. And of course, like all the climate is in a touchscreen. Not great. Don't love that.

But I will say, like all Foresters, incredibly roomy. That rear seats very roomy. The cargo

space is roomy. It's a really a great highway cruiser, a road tripping car. And I want to note,

it has what I think is the best sunroof for a compact crossover. Nobody does one better.

Why expand on that? It's huge. It goes back like behind the front row, which that almost never

happens. But it is the biggest one that you're going to find. So and it's openable. Oh, yes.

100. And yes, the glass goes back so far, which I love because I'm a big open air kind of person.

Give me a convertible. This is a Jeep owner. I have a Jeep Wrangler. It rocks a soft top 24 seven

so that I can flip back the top whenever I want to. So for me, you know, when I had when I actually

had this for the long weekend, it was gorgeous weather. I think it was early September, maybe

Labor Day. And I had all the windows down. I had the the sunroof back and it was a dream.

Yeah, but it was great. Really, really like the the Forrester hybrid. I think

there was about like a two to $3,000 premium depending upon trim on like the cost of upgrading

to get the hybrid powertrain. But I think it's I think it's a good cost. Logan, any notes from the

road test side of things on the Forrester hybrid? No, I think it's a great car. Just like Jessica

said, the sunroof is absolutely huge. I too am an open air person. So you can catch me with the

windows down in the sunroof open at all times. So I thought I thought that was nice, just because

I mean, it just adds to the experience, especially like if you're off roading or you're just out

in the wilderness, it's nice to just get that fresh air. So and let the outside inside, which is

what Subaru's really are all about. Of course, I should mention still standard all wheel drive,

the mechanical version. So the symmetrical all wheel drive, it's not the electric version,

which I think sometimes Toyota uses. So I think fans will be happy about that. That's actually

probably a big that's a big note. Yes, yes. So it's not use I like I imagine the electric powertrain

is like integrated into obviously all of that, but it's not like just using a computer system.

It is mechanical. And so that means it's just as capable as an ice version of the of the

Forrester, which of course is what exactly what you're expecting and why it keeps ranking so high

among even driving enthusiasts year after year. Thanks, Jess. And still to come our first observations

on another popular and now updated SUV, the Jeep Cherokee a little bit later in the show.

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our viewers and listeners appreciate your dedication to Motor Week. Okay, next up is our

lightning round where panelists have 30 seconds or so, but who's counting

to give their take on an automotive topic. And I'm actually got the bell today. So we'll

see if we use it. Okay, this is a big deal for anybody that uses their phone in their car a lot,

which I do. In a recent interview with the Verge, Mary Barra, who's head of General Motors,

confirmed that General Motors will be removing Apple CarPlay and Android Android Auto abilities

in all of their vehicles in the next few years. The reasoning,

Barra says that it is distracting going back and forth from a phone using a projection-based

system, meaning that what's on your phone is projected on the screen inside the vehicle. That's

the whole heart of Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Listeners might remember us discussing their

unpopular decision to remove smartphone integration back in 2023 from their new electric vehicles.

What are our thoughts on this decision? And I have to tell you before we start,

they are indicating they're going to do something else, but they're not telling us what it is.

This is the current system, which is actually a Google-based system that interfaces with

Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. So here we go again. We just had this discussion. What do you think?

I do not think it is a smart decision. I don't think it's distracting at all in any way, shape,

or form, because it's a projection of your phone. So you're not picking your phone up at any point

in time. You're able to sort through your music, your podcast, especially with the new widgets that

have been added, the weather, live tracking for flights. It's an interesting decision to remove

it because I feel like you know that a lot of people have smartphones now. Now, if we were in

a time where people still use flip phones or that was the majority, I could see that making sense.

But right now, smartphones is what keep people connected in so many different ways. So I think

to remove it doesn't necessarily make any sense. Now, if there's a monetary reason or a programming

reason or an engineering reason or some sort of, you know, there's probably something on that side

of it. But just to say we're going to remove it because it's distracting doesn't really give the

answer as to why we're going to take it away from people who love it so much. I agree with you,

and they say it's distracting. But think about it, because you use your smartphone so much,

when you get in and it's the same screen, you actually are able to operate it quicker than if

it was a different system. Yeah, it's all it's very intuitive. I have an iPhone, so I'm using

CarPlay all the time. Right. And it's the first thing I do when I get into a test vehicle is,

you know, hook it up and away we go. So it makes me wonder what they've got in mind,

because I can't believe they're going to subject themselves to this kind of criticism without

having something quote unquote better, because that's what they did before. When they everyone

heard they were going to a Google based system and not going to physically have Apple CarPlay and

Android Auto embedded in the vehicle, the social media went nuts. And nobody even paid attention

to the fact that the new Google system still worked with those phones. Right. So I wonder what

they're going to do and I wonder if she didn't basically stir up a hornet's nest where maybe

it didn't need to be stirred up. I'm pretty torn on this because I don't hate the current system

that they have in there right now, the Google system. I think on their EVs, I like the maps.

I think like in the EVs, like the maps are arguably some of the best because they have

really great route planning, etc. But my problem is as an Apple, as somebody in the Apple ecosystem,

this screws me over because all of Apple's stuff is proprietary. So if whatever new thing that GM

is going to be offering does not offer, I guess, like me to sign into an Apple account

so that I can access my Apple music, my Apple Maps. I mean, I guess I could use Google Maps.

Like that's fine. But I don't know. Every time I've used, I've been driving one of these EVs.

And because we've, and we've talked about this a lot on the podcast, you know,

we don't get to integrate ourselves in these vehicles quite as much as owners do. I mean,

we have them for two weeks, but each individual person here at Motor Week does not have a car

for two weeks. That's why the phone integration is important.

And so I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt of somebody who's an owner, right? If I was,

if I was going to own one of these cars, but even when I've had it for a longer period of time,

like it just, it doesn't really, it doesn't work. I have to actually look at my phone more

because if I want to change to a different playlist of music, if I have carplay, easy enough,

I just hit another album. I have to actually go into my phone to do that on one of GM's cars

that don't have carplay because there's no way for me to just quickly touch the screen or go

back and forth between a phone call in your music or a podcast. Like I think it's a little,

I don't know, I'm a little worried that this is more of a cash grab than anything.

There's also rumblings that Ford's going to do the same.

I mean, it's, it, I will say it's a great way for them to keep all of our data to themselves

because I imagine there's a lot of data that they are not gathering when we use carplay and

Android Auto. But you know that you, we all know there's a lot of money to be made in data.

Okay. I think we beat that to death. Stay tuned when we find out more information

about this, we will give it to you. All right. Moving on, we have a question from a fan,

a YouTube comment from. I am Jermaine. I am Jermaine. Thank you very much. When,

I think this is an impossible question, when is Kia Hyundai going to have a real Bronco

four runner defender competitor? And we're not talking about the Bronco Sport, we're talking

about the real Bronco, a real off-road capable, maybe body on frame. And before I give my two

cents, what do you think? Well, I actually, I did some research on this because I wanted to

see exactly what Kia and Hyundai have out there that we don't get here in the US.

And apparently they did say that Hyundai said that they're going to be bringing a body on frame

pickup to the US by the end of the decade. That's been something they've said for a while.

They've said that for a while. So maybe by 2030 we'll see that. So potentially after that, we might

see a, depending upon how successful maybe this pickup truck is, we could see a Bronco or a Wrangler

or a four runner competitor because they do have a body on frame platform. It exists in the global

Yes, in their global portfolio. But unlike Toyota, who has a lot of body on frame,

global product that we don't see here in the US, Kia and Hyundai don't. They only have this Kia

Tasman pickup truck, which is, if you took one look at it, it's very clearly not made for the US

market. And that's the problem is that you've got to make it conform to all of our safety laws,

not to mention just owner wants. Aesthetically and stuff like that.

Yeah, it's just not their bread and butter in the US. It's just not what they do. Other places,

it works. Just like Mazda has been promising us to get another rotary and I'll keep holding on to

that. Just like Jessica said, maybe by 2030. But I think I don't necessarily see it happening.

So I'm sorry. I know you're a Kia Hyundai fan and I am too, actually. But I think we're going to

have to wait a lot longer. There are a number of comparisons on the internet between the Bronco

Sport, which of course is this escape based and various Kia and Hyundai products. But I know

that's not what you're really interested in. You want a real off-roader. And I think you're

going to have to wait a little bit longer. You know, it wouldn't surprise me if eventually they

join in to doing this eventually. Because Kia and Hyundai, they're not afraid to join into a

segment. If there's competition in it already. If there's competition in it already and they can

do very well in those segments. I think a low volume segment specifically is how successful

the Carnival has been. They totally revamped what was kind of a global product and they really

honed in on the U.S. market and they cannot make enough of them. So I don't know, maybe.

Especially if they, like you said, if they do, if they come out with a modernized truck, then

they've got the basis for it. They can go for it. Yep. That was one hurdle.

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never miss a mile of Motor Week. Now, finally, you must be saying we get to what is the latest on

the hot wind blowing into the 2026 Jeep Cherokee. Grand Cherokee. Grand Cherokee. Thank you very

much. It gets a pretty comprehensive going over for 2026, but it's what's under the hood that

everyone wants to talk about. Logan, what's going on there?

Yeah. So I went to the Jeep headquarters. I was able to see the new Jeep Grand Cherokee.

I got to see it in person, experience it. It comes in a new color. It's a copper chino. It's

like a bronze color. It's a really nice color to look at. You'll also see that it's got these new

hockey shaped style headlights, a new redesign for the front grille, as well as something

interesting for a lot of people was the death of chrome. That's what Jeep was saying while they

were there throughout the entire event, is because they noticed that or they learned throughout

their process that chrome plating is not good for the environment. So they've actually replaced it

with a darker colored material or plastic or paint so that it's not harming the environment.

So they're looking out for the environment because they want people to be able to take

these vehicles off-road. That's part of their mantra. So the other thing that you'll notice

with the front end is that the front end is redesigned for the new power plant that's in the

vehicle. It's the Hurricane inline four single turbo engine that puts out 324 horsepower and

332 pound feet of torque and you actually get 6,200 pounds of towing capacity. Now a lot of people,

when we first saw this engine, we were surprised at how small it was and to actually see eight

coil packs on the top of this engine with it being a four banger, you'd think, why do we have eight?

And what's interesting about it is how they have redesigned the fuel system

in this vehicle with the spark plugs and how it all operates. So when you're at a low demand or

low RPM, you'll actually use port injection. And so you'll use the spark plugs and coil packs that

are off to the side. But on the top of the engine, you have something that goes straight down the

middle. And so when you're at a higher demand, those coil packs, injectors and spark plugs are

for your top end. So when you have higher demand or higher load. But what makes it even more

interesting is that they design something that's just around the size of like a penny. So think of

like a penny and they've punched, I believe it's about eight holes through it. And what happens is

is as your engine is running, what happens is you have fuel that is injected into your chamber.

And on the compression stroke, as the piston goes up, you have your fuel that is then compressed

into this little penny sized piece that covers the top of the, or covers the bottom of the spark

plug. And the fuel is pressed into that. And then the spark plug ignites. And then that vaporized

fuel or that combustion is now pushed out through those holes for a more even burn for better fuel

efficiency throughout the cylinder. So that was one of the things that was very interesting.

And that's a heck of a lot of technology into a power train.

You really only see that in F1 engines. It's something that no one else has really done,

but it does create for a more even burn of your fuel. So you have less unburnt fuel going into

your exhaust and all of it's really being used at its maximum capacity, which makes it really

interesting. I will be very curious as to what the efficiency of this and like what the EPA numbers

end up being of this engine, because obviously they're saying that it's going to be more efficient

than the outgoing two liter that they currently have, which is actually, if this, I imagine that

this engine will probably will see more across the board. Like I can't imagine this is going to be

just here in the Grand Cherokee. It had to cost a lot to develop. Oh yeah, it's a brand new design.

Even though it uses the shortened hurricane six block, I mean, these are very impressive numbers,

324 horsepower, I mean, 332 pound feet of torque. So now the Pentastar is still available on the

Grand Cherokee as well. So the 3.6 liter V6, but that only out, oh no, let's see. I think that's

really down. Yeah, 293 horsepower and 260 pound feet of torque. So yeah, this is going to be

quite a big power boost. Oh yeah, definitely an engine that'll surprise a lot of people for it,

again, being just a four banger. But with the amount of work that they've put into figuring out

how to make it the most effective while still getting the most out of that turbocharger will

really surprise a lot of people, I think. All right, I got to tell you, it worries me that it

sounds very complex. You've got multiple systems on here, replacing singular systems. I mean,

what did they say about the complexity? Obviously, they're not worried about it.

I think one thing to remember is at the end of the day, an engine is an engine.

It's really not that complex when you look at it, because if you separate it into two halves,

you've got your coil packs that go down the middle that are right there, and then you've got your

direct injection injectors. On the other side, on that same side, you've got your port injection,

and then you've got, again, on the top, you've got coil packs that are off kilter or off to the

side of the main spark plug or the other set of spark plugs and coil packs on the top. It's really

not as complicated as it sounds, if anything, because you'll probably have, in a diagnostic

sense, probably a coil pack A, coil pack B, and those would be A, B, C, D would be your top four,

and the next ones would be your other four. I don't think it's really as complex as anyone,

as it sounds. I can't remember the last time or if we've been seeing a dual spark plug. I know

we have somewhere in my memory, we've seen dual spark plug engines, but I can't remember where

it might have been. Yeah, I think that'll definitely help with wear and tear, for sure,

because the thing is, now you don't have four spark plugs operating all the time. Think of cylinder

deactivation, but just now spark plug deactivation. That's not what they call it, but that'd be a

way to think of it. Good comparison, for sure. Because you've got the four that run at one point

and the four that run at another point. Now, one thing that I did wonder, though, was,

how does that come down with maintenance? Am I doing all my spark plugs at one time, or is it,

hey, you got to do your top four, and these are the four later, and I guess that would just be

based off of maintenance or whatever they would be recommended. Well, I'm sure they're platinum

tip spark plugs, and basically they last 100,000 miles anyway. As a matter of fact, a lot of people

think they last longer than that. Any other comments about it before we move on? No, I'm

interested to see, like you said, field economy numbers and whatnot. It's going to be interesting

to try. I really hope that one day they start using this powertrain in conjunction with the

four by ease. I feel like that might come, because this hurricane engine is available,

but the four by ease still uses the same older turbo. So you want to make the most complicated

Jeep out there even more complicated. Hey, I'm all about efficiency. If I could get more than what

I think it was at like 25, 26 miles of range on those EVs. Our last segment before we close

out this podcast is our rant and our raves. We've sort of been doing a little of that all through

the show today. Anybody got anything that on their minds? Jessica's thinking. I always have one

locked and loaded. Well, I had a couple in the chamber. I didn't know which ones I wanted to

rant about the most. Social media is such an interesting place. That's an interesting word

for it. It's just very funny because you have a lot of, I think, young people running a lot of

dealership, TikTok accounts and social media accounts. So these are people who, you know,

they're trying to get their name out there. They're trying to get the brand out there. I get it.

I respect it. I saw a video the other day that was like... This is what you do for entertainment.

This is what I do for entertainment. Yeah. So I saw a video the other day, and it was this

person, and they were worked for dealership. They're like, I can't believe this 2022 Cadillac

Escalade is still sitting on the lot. It's only $55,000. First off, I'm like, well, that's kind

of expensive still. $55,000 is more than the average MSRP of a new car. So it's still kind of

expensive. And I was like, yeah, that's still kind of expensive. But it is a 2022, and that

probably would have been a six-figure car normally. Anyway, she's like, I can't believe

this is still on our lot. It's got leather and adaptive suspension. Meanwhile, she's going down

through the sticker that's on the car, and it says miles, $98,000.

And so she poses question like, why is this car still on the lot? And people are like,

maybe because it has almost 100,000 miles on it. So it's like my... I don't know whether

that's a rant or a rave. That gave me some entertainment. But come on. If you want to

sell cars, you got to be a little smarter than that.

Well, that opens up an entirely new subject, which we probably shouldn't attack. I mean,

I think what you're saying, and I get this, is that when you are... Today's consumer is well

educated, and you're talking to well-educated consumers. So they know when something's trying

to be pulled over their heads pretty quickly. So if you're going to do something like this,

instead of just walking down the line of vehicles and doing a little TikTok video about each one,

you got to respect your audience. And maybe that whoever was doing the TikTok will get that message.

I'm not trying to roast this person, but I think they got roasted enough on the video,

but I think it brings to... So probably they won't ever make that mistake again.

Maybe not. But I think it's just one of those things where it kind of brings back in my mind

that dealers are very tone deaf, and they oftentimes... They don't really know their

customers all that well. Well, some do. The successful ones do.

I will defend the good dealers. The successful ones know exactly who their customers are,

but they're maybe not universal. Logan's had a lot of experience with dealerships.

The service side of the dealer, which is a bit different than the sales side.

Absolutely. Absolutely. But that's my rant.

All right. Well, I think we'll wrap it up right there before we get ourselves into any more

trouble. Thanks today to our assistant road test producer and your drive expert, Logan

McCones, for being with us. Our digital producer, Jessica Ray, our special guest earlier, FYI

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