“DB2” is a model name from Aston Martin that the podcast mentions while talking about cars. The episode seems to be grouping it with other Aston Martin models for discussion. There aren’t details in the snippet about what makes it special, just that it’s part of the conversation.
This is a specific Porsche 911 Turbo S, and “992.1” is Porsche’s updated version of that generation. The hosts mention it because it’s the big prize in their giveaway.
Oil pressure is how strongly the engine’s oil is being pumped around. If it’s too low, the engine parts don’t get enough lubrication and can get damaged fast.
“Engine grenades” is a dramatic way of saying the engine fails in a big, sudden way. It usually means something went very wrong internally and the engine can’t recover.
The Indy 500 is one of the biggest car races in the U.S. It’s run on a big oval track, and the cars race so close that the winner can be decided by tiny timing differences.
Term
third and fifth
When they talk about the gap between places like third and fifth, they mean how close those cars were at the end. It shows the race was competitive even beyond just the winner.
A photo finish is when the race is so close that a camera is used to see who crossed the line first. It’s how they decide the winner when it’s basically a tie.
Talladega is a famous high-speed oval race track in the U.S. The host is saying that even at night, the infield can feel more like an excuse to party than a place focused on racing.
The Indy Museum is a museum at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The host says it’s worth visiting because it has lots of Indy cars from different time periods.
A turbocharger is a device that helps an engine make more power by forcing extra air in. In this era, the turbochargers were mounted outside the body, so you could clearly see huge turbo hardware on the car.
“External turbos” just means the turbochargers are mounted where you can see them, not hidden under the car’s body. The host also says they didn’t sound as loud as they expected.
Noise insulating glass is glass designed to block sound. That’s why the host says they could see the cars on the front straight but hear almost nothing.
An Indy car is a race car used in IndyCar, a major American open-wheel racing series. People often say the engines sound nicer and less harsh than Formula 1.
F1 cars are the race cars from Formula 1, the top global open-wheel series. When people compare sounds, they often describe F1 as more intense or “edgy” than IndyCar.
Honda is a major car company and also a racing brand. In this segment, it’s mentioned because people were wearing Honda team gear at the event.
Car
Ford Gt350S
Here, “Ford” is mentioned as a car brand in a discussion about how a dealer network buys and sells cars. The conversation focuses on the steps involved in getting cars through that system. It’s not about one specific Ford model in particular.
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very rare, very high-performance Porsche. It’s the kind of car people associate with supercar-level speed and expensive ownership. In the episode, it’s brought up as an example of the rare cars that dealers handle.
In racing, “deltas” are the time differences between cars. If the deltas are small, the cars are close together, so it’s easier for them to trade positions.
A yellow flag means there’s danger on the track, so drivers have to slow down. Because everyone slows at the same time, it can change pit strategy and make the cars bunch up together.
Lead changes are how many times the first-place spot switches to a different car. More lead changes usually means the race is very competitive and cars are passing a lot.
A spec series is a racing class where most of the car is the same for everyone. That makes the racing depend more on how well teams set up the car and how well drivers perform.
Onboard means the camera is inside or mounted on the race car, showing what the driver sees. It helps you understand exactly when the driver makes moves, like the timing of a pass.
Felix Rosenqvist is a race car driver. The hosts are talking about one of his best moments during the Indy 500—how he sets up and makes a pass at the last second.
Hybrid boost is extra power from a hybrid system. It’s like a battery-powered “push” that the driver can save up and then use for a short burst when it matters most.
To defend means to try to block the other driver from getting past. The rules differ by series—this host says IndyCar doesn’t allow defensive moves the way F1 does.
To deploy (in this context) means to activate the hybrid boost system at the moment the driver chooses. The host points out a timing delay between pressing the button and the actual effect, which is crucial for making a pass right at the finish.
In racing, “defensive” means the driver is trying to stop someone from passing. They do it by choosing where to drive so the other car can’t get around.
A red flag means the race is stopped right away because something unsafe is happening on the track. Cars slow down and wait for officials to clear the situation before racing resumes.
Jet dryer trucks are special vehicles that blow hot air onto the track to dry it quickly after rain. The goal is to get the track safe and ready so racing can restart.
A tailgate is when people gather in the parking lot before an event—usually with food and drinks. It’s a common way to enjoy the event vibe even if you’re not inside the stadium.
The Ford F-150 is a common full-size pickup truck. Here, the speaker is saying people use the truck area to set up their tailgate party near the race venue.
This is a famous race track in Indiana. It hosts the Indianapolis 500, and a lot of racing happens there in May, so fans plan their visits around that time.
They’re describing a spot near the start of turn one where they could see the action really clearly. It’s basically a great spectator viewpoint because nothing blocks it.
Term
turbos were mounted outside of the car
They’re talking about where the turbo parts were placed on the car. Instead of being tucked neatly inside, the turbo hardware sat outside, which affects how the car handles heat and space.
Methanol is a special racing fuel. They’re saying the cars were running it straight (not mixed), which changes how the engine burns fuel and how the car needs to be designed for safety.
Concept
invisible fire
They mean a fire that’s hard to see. With some racing fuels, a leak can burn without looking like the usual dramatic flames, so it can be more dangerous because you might not notice it quickly.
The Nissan Juke is a small crossover-like car from Nissan. It’s designed to be compact and easy to drive, with a unique look. The episode mentions it as part of a quick joke and a story beat.
The DB 12 Volante is the open-top version of Aston Martin’s DB 12. The host mentions driving it briefly on launch day and compares that experience to other DB 12 body styles.
The Ford Mustang is a sporty car made by Ford. People talk about it a lot because it’s a popular performance model and there are lots of versions over the years. In the episode, it’s brought up as a car people were driving or associated with.
A burnout is when you rev the engine while the tires spin, usually to heat them up or make smoke. In the story, the host does one and then gets a ticket for reckless driving. It’s basically a dramatic tire-spinning stunt.
“Damped” here means the suspension smooths out bumps. The host is saying the car feels softer, but it doesn’t bounce around—it stays composed. That’s what makes it more comfortable on the road.
“GT” means grand touring—cars tuned for comfortable long drives. When the host says the ride is “very GT,” they mean it feels smooth and relaxed, especially on highways. It’s less about being super harsh and more about being easy to live with.
The “greenhouse” is the glass part of the car that surrounds you—windows and windshield. The host is saying the window layout makes the cabin feel brighter and easier to see out of.
The DBX S is the sportier version of Aston Martin’s DBX SUV. The host is using it to explain what “S” usually means: more performance tuning and a more developed setup.
Gear changes are the moments when the car shifts to a different gear. The host is saying the quicker acceleration comes partly from how the car shifts, not just from having more power.
Dampers are the shocks that control how the suspension moves. Retuning them means the car’s suspension response is adjusted so it feels better when you drive hard, especially in corners.
A rear sway bar helps keep the car from leaning too much when you turn. A “better” rear sway bar usually means the car feels more stable and less wobbly in corners.
A differential is what allows the left and right wheels to turn at different speeds. An electronic differential uses computer control to help the car put power where it needs it, which can make the car feel less “pushy” when turning at low speeds.
Understeer is when you turn the wheel but the car doesn’t rotate enough and keeps going straight. The host is saying the DB12S is tuned to feel more predictable when you’re turning slowly.
Ceramic brakes use a different material for the brake discs than most cars. They can help the brakes stay consistent during repeated hard stops, and they usually make less brake dust.
“As tested” means the exact car they drove, with all the add-ons and fees included. “Delivered price to our door” is the all-in number you’d actually pay to get the car to you.
The Aston Martin Vantage S is Aston Martin’s more compact performance car. In this discussion, they’re comparing how similar the ride feels to the DB 12 S, even though the DB 12 S costs far more.
“Options” are the extra upgrades you pick when you order the car. They can cost a lot, and that’s why the final price can jump far above the starting price.
Hip flexors are muscles that help you bend your hip and move your leg. They’re talking about how the seat position makes those muscles feel tight after driving.
A bulkhead is a wall-like divider inside the car. In this case, it affects how much leg room you have, especially if you have a long torso and long arms.
The Aston Martin Vantage is a sporty Aston Martin coupe built for driving feel. Here, the host is basically saying it’s so close to the DB 12 S that it’s hard to justify paying extra for the DB 12 S.
“Canyon speeds” means driving fast on twisty mountain roads, but not like a race track. The host is saying the car feels great in that real-world spirited driving range.
Steering feel is how the steering wheel and front wheels “talk back” to you—how quickly it responds and how much feedback you get. The host likes that this car feels precise and communicative.
The Aston Martin DB 12 S is a higher-end Aston Martin coupe meant to feel more luxurious and special. In this discussion, the host says it doesn’t feel dramatically faster than the Vantage, so it’s hard to justify the extra money.
The touch screen is the car’s main display you tap to control things like menus and settings. The host says it sometimes lags, so your inputs don’t register instantly.
Remote start is when you can start the car without pressing the start button directly. They’re saying the car’s behavior feels similar, even though it’s being triggered from inside.
CarPlay is how your iPhone shows apps and navigation on the car’s screen. They’re talking about a “CarPlay Ultra” mode that didn’t fully activate for them, and they noticed the screen felt a bit sluggish.
The Aston DB 12 is a luxury sports grand tourer from Aston Martin. Here they’re talking about how the car’s screen/software felt glitchy, and how the steering and handling compared to another Aston they’ve driven.
Alignment is the way the wheels are adjusted so the car tracks straight. If it’s off or changed, the steering can feel heavier or less precise, especially when you’re driving normally or turning around center.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sporty car from Chevrolet. It’s designed to feel quick and fun to drive, and different versions can feel heavier or more planted depending on setup. The episode is talking about how it feels in motion and whether it seems “set up” like a sport car.
Start-stop is the feature that turns the engine off when you’re stopped and turns it back on when you go again. They’re saying their chosen driving mode disabled it because they didn’t like how it behaved.
This is a driving mode that changes how stiff or soft the suspension feels. They’re saying the softer GT setting felt a bit loose, while the sport suspension felt more controlled but still not uncomfortable.
ADAS are the car’s driver-assist features—things that can help steer or control the car in certain situations. They’re saying some of that tech might have been active and affecting how the steering felt.
“Tram liney” means the car feels like it’s being pulled along by road grooves. They’re saying that when they brake hard in the canyons, the car can feel like it wants to track those lines instead of staying freely controllable.
When they say the car “loads up the nose,” they mean the front end dips down when you brake. That weight shift can change how the car feels and makes it harder to keep it perfectly straight.
Ferrari Luce is the Ferrari model the hosts are talking about in this segment. They’re reacting to how futuristic and unusual it looks, like something you’d see in a sci-fi movie rather than a traditional Ferrari.
The Jaguar I-Pace is an electric SUV. The hosts are using it as a comparison to say the Ferrari Luce looks like it belongs in the same futuristic design world as modern EVs.
The Nissan Leaf is a popular electric car. The hosts are saying the Ferrari Luce’s design looks similar to the kind of styling you’d see on EVs like the Leaf.
“Subaru Uncharted” sounds like a Subaru model name the speakers are trying to remember or confirm. The episode doesn’t explain what it is in detail, just that they’re looking up the correct Subaru name. It’s mentioned as part of a quick back-and-forth.
Car
Aston Martin Bulldog
The Aston Martin Bulldog is a famous 1970s concept car with a very sharp, wedge-shaped front. The host is saying the car being discussed reminds them of that old-school wedge style.
The Ford Edge is a crossover SUV, meaning it’s built for everyday driving with a higher seating position. The podcast is talking about how the front of the car looks, especially the shape around the headlights. It’s a style-focused comment about the vehicle’s design.
The Honda E is a compact electric car with a cute, rounded look. The host is comparing its headlight area/design details to the car they’re critiquing.
A “wedge era” is a style of car design where the car looks like a sharp wedge—low and pointy, meant to look aerodynamic. The host is saying this car is trying to bring back that kind of styling.
A “floating body” look is when the car’s body seems like it’s hovering or not sitting normally on the wheels. It’s basically a visual design trick to make the car look more dramatic and futuristic.
The BMW M3 is a performance version of a BMW 3 Series. It’s made to be faster and more driver-focused than a regular 3 Series. The podcast mentions the F80 as a specific M3 generation people argue about.
A coachbuilder is a company that makes custom car bodies or special designs. In this segment, they’re talking about an EV getting a more boutique, one-off style treatment.
Zagato is an Italian company famous for making special, designer car bodies. The hosts are saying this EV look feels like it was styled by Zagato, not just mass-produced.
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All right, on this episode of the podcast, I had my first Indy 500 weekend and what a weekend it was.
I recap it for you here plus Zach and I give our reviews of the Aston Martin DB12S and of course
our thoughts on the all-new Electric Ferrari Luce. It's the Smoking Tire podcast. Let's go.
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in the show notes and get entered to win today. Sound and visuals are good. It's kicking in,
you guys. I'm starting to feel it. Hello. Oh, say, can you see Memorial Day at the Indy 500 is what
the fuck is up, you guys? How's everybody doing out there? I hope you guys had a good Memorial Day.
Memorial Day is a good day because you remember things that happened in the past. You don't think
about things that we're doing right now. You know, it's all fireworks and jets and things like that
and marching bands, lots of fucking marching bands. Yeah, when you have a big oval to work with
that has fans all over. Boy, can you bring out a lot of marching bands? That's actually the
perfect use of the marching band. It's a great use of a marching band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How was
your weekend, Zach? Good. I went on a little Sunday drive with Phil Morris and Vinnie Russo and
Tannis. We drove up to Carpenteria and it had amazing pizza. So I took the DB12S to talk about
soon. Yeah, yeah. Did that when I saw Corey Burns' new baby? Saw the baby. Which cried and pooped
and stuff. You gotta go see the baby. You gotta see the baby. You did it much better. I watched that
show a lot. And yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. I went on vacation with Spike Ferrisdon.
Basically. You did. Not really. It was a, you know, workcation. Not, it was a gig. But it was a
good gig. It was a great gig. Basically, Spike and I were hired. I'll cut to the chase to tell you
kind folks that Man Over 50 are in a very at risk for heart valve failure. It's a thing that
doesn't automatically get tested for. And so if you don't, if you already see a cardiologist
regularly, a cardiologist is checking. But if you're one of those, I don't go to the doctor
unless something is wrong types. Dad, I'm talking to you. Gary Klapman. Dad, the doctor. Talking to
you. Gary Klapman. Dad, the doctor doesn't go to the doctor. Perfect. Basically, Edward's life
sciences wants us to tell you guys to get your valves checked. Literally. There are so many,
Zach, when I tell you the number of overused car and racing metaphors to connect the heart valve
and being alive to an engine finishing a race, there must have been meetings on meetings on
meetings. Well, they know what they're talking to. Yeah. They want you to understand. Get your
valves checked. So they would, they would love for me for you. Anyone go into their physician,
ask about getting a heart valve test. It's a noninvasive test. Like it, I got it done. It's
like literally five minutes and they basically take a thing that looks like a computer mouse
and rub it around your chest for maybe 30 seconds and that's it. And then they email you your results
like a week later. Oh, it's like an ultrasound. Basically, they test for a murmur. And if you
have a murmur, then you need to go to a cardiologist and then they'll go, but they're not, they're
not selling heart valves over here. They just want you to fuck it. I mean, they do actually.
I was going to say, it looks like they don't make it. They're not selling you a heart valve.
You're not going to go to the doctor and go, I'd like a Edwards life sciences heart. They're just
going to put just do the test. But yeah, yeah. But it's like the kind of thing that where it's
the kind of thing where you might like die while running. It's one of those deals where like the
person has the heart attack just out of nowhere. The otherwise healthy person or bearing goes out
of spec. You suddenly have no oil pressure and the engine grenades. Do they use that? That's why
I mean, if it wasn't that, to that, it was like within a word of that either way.
So it's my first Indy 500 spikes to and actually on our Patreon, probably tomorrow,
Wednesday, there'll be the me and spike BTS level one podcast from, from our hotel lobby.
We say to this Hyatt Doughtout Indy, which was like one of those like
1989 high concept. Everything is an indoor mall places. So it was like hotel office building
and like the saddest dying mall you've ever seen all in one. Giant atriums was real atrium
construction. Atrium era. All in the atrium. It's all about that atrium 300 feet tall.
Right. And you can see the hallways on the inside. Correct. Correct. People be jumping
from the 20th story. I guarantee you. So we did a podcast from the atrium. It's kind of echoing.
But the the race is, it's different than I expected. Some of it was exactly what I expected.
It is a complete shit show in terms of the people watching in terms of, and I haven't
posted any photos yet because of the deal with this Edwards is it's an Instagram
deal. So there's going to be like an official series of posts that just aren't posted yet. Got it.
But as anyone who looked at car news over the over the weekend, closest finish in Indy 500
history, buries the lead actually a little bit because everyone only cares about the winner of
the Indy 500. The gap between third and fifth place was even smaller. Whoa. After 21
hundredth of a second. Thousands. Two thousandths of a second was the gap between first and second.
And the gap between third and fifth after 500 miles was about three feet. Whoa. It was about
the nose to a front axle like between third, fourth, fifth, three, the photo. That's so cool.
The photo is fucking incredible. I don't know if it's been published. I must have been published,
but they have the camera to get the photo finish that's like right on the line. And it was and
I saw that and it was like the fucking coolest shot just three wide like like if this if this is
a vertical line, yeah, it was like 32 degrees, right? Like they're flying in formation.
Yeah. It was, it was so, so, and that finish was just unbelievable. So like things that I thought
would be, I knew it was going to be crazy. It was 350,000 people, people. I didn't realize
to the extent to which people wear checkerboard, fucking everything. Every article of clothing
you can imagine comes in checkerboard out there. And a lot of dudes are in the Daisy Duke
overalls checkerboards and nothing else. Wow. That is the, that's a one piece for dudes for that day.
You know, you've got the, the clothing for winners really. Yeah. It's, it's much, much,
it's really funny because it's like much more blue color than F1, like much more blue color.
But like not quite as trashy as NASCAR. So if you take like the F1 to NASCAR spectrum
and you compress them tighter into just in general, more normal people than you would see it either.
Is it like a, is it like a giant football game, essentially? I mean the people that are drunk,
people that aren't drunk, there's people. It's such a giant football game. Because it's a huge,
what's the attendance? 350,000. It's I think the largest single day
attendance sporting event in the world. Wow. And but football game is totally right. The
atmosphere is very much football game rather than car race, which is like in terms of just the energy
flow. If you're not, if you're just in the crowd, like that type of vibe for sure. So much so that
on the third day I started calling the track a stadium. I started using the word state. I feel
I like caught myself a couple of times like, fuck am I doing? But like
if you're not driving in the race, it feels much more like being in a stadium than it does
like being in a track. Interesting. Now, do you feel that way about like Daytona? You know,
it's an oval. It is shaped like a stadium. There's an open end, of course. I think because people are
all the way around the outside of this fucking place, you know, that it really, that it had a,
I didn't like intend to use this word. It just came out. And then it came out a couple more
times on accident, which I thought was a was a funny and odd thing. And yeah, it was crazy. So
the so that was the it was more, it was a little more compressed in terms of like,
yeah, more, it was a college football game with intense fandom. But the grandest grand were not
as grand as F1. And the garbage is garbage was was not anything like the middle, the infield of
Daytona or Talladega or even the outfield or infield at Sebring, which is insane. There's this
like snake pit area where there's like a somewhere between a concert and a rave happening like it's
huge. The place is a huge also. So there's like way over there. We were up on the roof of the
Ray Hall, Letterman, Lannigan team, like trailer, I mean, trailer, nice. Yeah, it's like a condo.
Yeah, up on the roof of it. And you know, we were looking into the entrance into turn one,
which was a pretty cool view from that thing. But you would just turn around and there's like
fireballs happening. Like like 50 or 60,000 people have no idea there's a race going on.
Yeah, I mean, I saw a clip from Dega and like the infield at night, there was an actual like
strip club happening. It's just people just go Oh, yeah, it's an excuse to party. The Indy Museum,
which is inside the track is really cool, worth a visit. Shout out to the volunteer who was wearing
the white dial Daytona. I spotted I was like, you don't need to be here right now, you're here for
fun. And the prevalence of you know, they have they have Indy cars from from pretty much every
era. They don't have every winning car, but they have like a lot of the winning cars in
the museum and at least one from every era. The prevalence of externally mounted giant
turbochargers from about 1972 to 1980, they would just like the car would look like a car from the
60s, essentially, but it would just have like a turbo this big, just sitting here outside the body
work by itself. I took a lot of pictures of those. I'll do a post on Instagram later that
just all the external turbos of Indy car history. And it was quieter, much quieter than I expected
it to be. I did not really need any kind of ear protection. I mean, that's not medical advice.
If you're going to be in a racetrack all day, you should probably have ear protection. But if you
not right up onto the track, it really wasn't that loud. We also got invited very graciously into
Tag Heuer's hospitality suite. The suites at Indy have the best noise insulating glass I've ever
seen it. If you stand there and look through from if you stand like 20 feet back from the window
at that suite and look at the front straight and the cars going by, it looks like you're watching
an iMac screen on mute. It bugged me the fuck out. You hear nothing. It was really weird.
It's so strange. You're like, yeah, because, you know, on the one hand, we're in an era where people
want cars to be louder or is it like always racing? Are the cars too quiet and whatever? But up there,
they go, actually, we're over it. Actually, I wonder if they built those when the cars were loud as
fuck. It's been there for a while. I have no idea when it was built. But the cars, I think,
sound pleasant. An Indy car is a very nice sounding engine. They sound much better than F1 cars.
They do. And they're just, it's just not that. I mean, compared to like, you go to a NASCAR race.
Yeah. Compared to a NASCAR race, an Indy car race ain't nothing. An Indy car race is like
mosquitoes in your car compared to a fucking NASCAR race. Yeah, it's nothing. And the dope suites do
have the bleachers on the roof. So if you can be in the suite and then go outside and up to the
roof and there's bleachers, which is where I met Danny Ricardo. What a treat. I got to meet Bobby
Ray Hall. Of course, you know, we're buddies with Graham Ray Hall, who was incredibly gracious. He
let me drive a couple cars. And well, I'll talk about that in the next show. But got to meet John
Force. Whoa, that guy. Legend. Legend. Legend. Nutty. Tough. And that was very cool. And there
was a bunch of fun, fun people there. I saw a lot of our friends there. And, you know, Indian
apolis, though, at least like downtown Indianapolis, apparently all of the nice parts
throughout in the suburbs. And I'm not saying it's like bad, but like, it's one of those places
where like downtown just kind of clears out at night. And that's where our hotels were. And like
every single restaurant was a steak restaurant. It was like that's all there was like 35 restaurants.
And like it's when this race isn't going on and there's all these people and stuff to do,
it must be tough down there. You know, but when all the people are there, there's a vibe. And you
everyone you see this guy's wearing a McLaren jacket and Honda jackets and, you know, these
different teams. And like, I saw Zach Brown and like, you know, everybody everybody's like kind
of on a mission. Wait, was there this weekend? Sorry. Yeah. Not me musician or McLaren guy.
McLaren, Zach Brown. Oh, because they had a race this week. They all they did.
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Carb Day, which is practice. And it was a Canadian Grand Prix, so it is entirely possible
that he could be flying back and forth potentially multiple times a day.
How far is it from Indianapolis to, what's the, why am I blanking, the name of the track in Montreal?
This is Circus of Geo-Villain. Thank you. How far is that distance? Can that be,
it might be able to be done by like long-range helicopter direct from track.
The influx of and outflux of helicopters from the track were pretty hardcore.
How far is that?
It's to Indianapolis.
The track looks really cool from above when you fly in and out, by the way. It looks just
enormous. And you know, it's like the Rose Bowl. It's like 850 miles. Yeah. That's a little
far by helicopter. He's in PJ. That's a jet. Yeah. And then it's
chopper to jet. Chopper to jet. Yeah. All right. Well, that's interesting because you know,
McLaren didn't have the best weekend of it, F1, so. Yeah. So, but I did see him briefly. And
man, so the racing itself, I've never paid much attention to, to speedway racing. I mean,
I've watched the Indy 500 on TV before, but I don't follow speedway racing so much.
With these effectively spec cars, you've got one chassis, you've got two engines, you've got a
very limited amount of tire choice. It's really all about the setup and the driving, right?
And, and if you, dude, it's, it, this race, I don't know if I've ever seen a race that was like
quite as like wild card as this motherfucker. Like it's the difference between first and last
in terms of pace is really close, really close. And unlike F1 where after a couple laps, the cars
really do spread out quite a bit. This weekend was a terrible, very clear example of that. The
deltas between cars was like 25 seconds, 25 seconds is procession. So this, it's, it's a tight pack
for almost the whole race. And anytime there's a yellow flag, 95% of the field will instantly
dive into the pits together. So like the whole fucking fields doing a, in whole fields going
back out together. Like a school of fish. And, and they're all just going to be super bunched up.
So they repack, repack, repack, repack like all the time. And, you know, the,
the number of passes, like there were 70 lead changes, 70. Whoa. Yeah. And like we were watching,
you know, I'm, I'm not really invested in anybody, but I'm friends with Graham. And so,
you know, Graham's my guy, right? So Graham, you know, Graham goes from like 28th to six
to 12th to 13th to 20 seconds. And in a matter of like four minutes, I mean, it's just like
the cars are just like, like swirling around each other. Like it was, it was a very different
type of open wheel racing than you see in Formula One. Very cool stuff. I mean, very, very cool
stuff. You, but, but so much passing was happening that if you didn't have a functional, you know,
monitor near you, then you would just like, you're lost in two seconds. You know, like,
but it was really, really cool to see racing that was so tight for so, for so long. Yeah.
Especially, I mean, the spec series helps with that, but it's cool that there's so much shuffling
even though it's a spec series. It's not just whoever's the best gets out front. They sit there
for 500 laps and it rails kind of trails in behind in the order they normally finish. And if
there's a lot of swapping around without any of the, you know, this year in F1, they've got
more hybrid boost. They've got different wings. Like these things have kind of gamed the racing.
So there's a lot more passing, but it does feel a little inauthentic.
Yeah, but I mean, I just, how do you argue with a fucking 500 mile race where at the second half
of the last lap, there were five people that could have won. That's crazy. But in this, in this
last mile of a 500 mile race, you've got five possibilities to choose from. And if you, did
you just happen to watch the onboard of the finish? I watched the exterior shot of the finish.
The onboard of the, like this dude, Felix Rosenquist has, Felix Rosenquist has the best
motorsport moment that a fucking person can have. I mean, to make that the perfect pass at the very
last minute, you know, using that saving and then deploying that last bit of fucking hybrid boost,
right at the exact time. I mean, like unbelievable. They are hybrid boosted. They are. Oh, I misspoke.
I thought they were still just, no, they have hybrid, they have a hybrid boost that charges over
however long it takes to charge. And then you can deploy it for however long you've got.
Yeah. This is the onboard. And the, dude, the onboard, this is, turn it up. Just make it
fucking loud. We'll get busted. So his radio guys in his ear. This is so dope.
Okay. So he's in third.
Following two cars. He's going to go to the outside.
On the outside. Oh God. They're going so fast. And the banking is, look how shallow the banking is
too. When you're there, you stand on it, like I've been there for a filming and it feels steep,
but when you look at it, like compared to Daytona, other places, it's not nearly as.
And look at this. He's, he's so far behind the guy in first in F1. He's not making this pass.
Correct. So he's, the guy in front is not allowed to defend this pass as per rules.
Right. So when he goes for the movie, look.
Woo. Oh, I think, so I think there's a delay because he goes over the line before he says
deployed deploy. I think there's a delay in there somewhere, but like. So he pulled out,
hit the button and then juice passed. And he's not, they're not allowed to defend that. I think
in F1, they're allowed one defensive maneuver. Correct. You're not allowed any in Indy car.
Oh wow. On a straightaway. Yeah. What they do, you could see him, they, they do the,
you can make the car wide, but you can't respond to a pass by defensive. I think you
could do it once in F1 00 times in speedway racing. Yeah. Wow. But holy fuck. You mean,
and like you can hear, like when something happens, like you could hear the crowd, like,
like the whole stadium was like really, really very, very cool. And oh, by the way, look,
look Zach, look behind, look at the three cars wide for the 345 right behind there.
So tight. That was so tight. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Really, really amazing, amazing race to watch.
I mean, right, right down to the end. And yo, they, a couple more things about this.
There was like, you know, there's a threat of rain all weekend. And fortunately, you know,
the race was able to fit, but there were a couple of short rain delays, dude. We, and I know it's
a big track and it could be, there could be more rain over here, but we're sitting there and it's
like, do, do red flag. Like the fifth rain drop I felt on me, red flag, race stopped,
and they start just the whole time, the whole time during the red flag, they've got like
six jet dryer trucks doing laps at like 120 miles an hour. These big 350s with jets on the back,
just rip it. Just trying to cook it off. Cook it off. Whoa. And like, I don't know, maybe
six minutes, red flag, like boom, three yellows and green flag again. And you know, there's,
I've never seen, there's a, there's a bunch of crashes, obviously. Fortunately, I don't think,
I don't think there were any injuries. One happened close up and right in front of us. And I was like,
God damn. And then fucking left a huge mark on the wall. I was like, yikes.
I've never seen a better, like more responsive, rapid response rescue crew and cleanup crew.
The best I've ever seen. I've been to a bunch of races I've never seen like this. Like, there's
so many of them. They're out on the track so fast. Like, they're like, everything was like,
I mean, I'm sure there's people like calling the ball all over the place. But dude, I've never
seen these guys get to a car, get the yellows out, get the debris go and get the sweeper go and get
like fast, really fast. I was like, fuck, that's great. I wonder if they have multiple
teams around the track. Okay. They do. They're stationed all over the place.
Yeah. So they can get there really fast. It was, it was amazing to see how fast they could get to
folks. Yeah, really wild. Such a good time. It is definitely, you should add it to the list of
things. But like, fuck, getting in and out of that place, we were, we thought we were gonna be,
we thought we were so pimp, because they were like, we've got a police escort. We're like sick.
Police escort? That's fucking dope. We own this town, motherfucker. That's right. I then learned that
anybody who's anybody gets a police escort. Like even if you're like,
like every team that has a car in the race gets at minimum two 50 passenger buses, police escort.
Wow. Because you got it. The traffic is so fucked. You got to get your people there.
The buses left at like seven in the morning. There is five hours before the race. Technically,
not technically, we did get police escorted. But there are so many police escorts that at
one point we were in a traffic jam of police escorts. It's called a parade.
Three police escorts came to one intersection together. And the traffic, the traffic was so
crazy. Even our dope police escort, we had to put the buses, you know, they had to put all these
buses, 50, 60, 70 buses, like half a mile outside the stadium, you know, behind some fucking Amazon
transfer station or something. And, you know, we had to walk in, which like fine. But then getting
out, the road is closed for an hour and a half after the race, because it's just people. Cars can't
leave because it's the whole like six lane road is humans. Just walking to their cars.
Just walking to their cars. Wow. And so like nobody can leave. And then like,
you walk back to the buses and then you're like, now we're, you know, now we're stuck here for,
you know, and they're like, you better be there because the bus is going to leave you.
You're like, shit, I better be there. And then you get there and you're like,
buses can't go anywhere. And there's 300,000 people trying to leave. There's only so many
on ramps. Yeah, no, I mean, like, if you have any way of swinging it, like get the chopper.
You know who's going to invent teleportation first? Five Nation. Yeah. Or, you know,
stadiums and they just go to where you need to go.
You know, and man, people are people are fucking hiking in for so far away, carrying just huge
coolers on their backs and whatever, you know, you can get a, a GA ticket and just
like sort of post up, you know, wherever under a tree, you know, or you can get grandstand or
you can get, you know, the better stuff. But also like so many people, so many fucking people,
tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people, just like set up a tailgate somewhere in the
vicinity of the track, you know, with like a flat screen in the back of the F 150 and a fucking
barbecue going and 20 or 30 people, we drove by like the mall parking lot, just full of tailgating.
It was like, you know, a couple blocks away from the stadium, but like, you could probably hear
the cars. Like you probably could hear the cars going fine and you're watching like,
that's so interesting. I mean, and I get people just want to be, they want to be part of the
experience, even if they're not in there. Being close is still better than staying at home,
you know, wherever you live. And apparently there aren't any like laws on 500 day regarding
where you can and can't do this. There's also a shitload of people because I guess they have
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show. That's rad. I would love to attend. I've heard from everybody who's attended now, including you,
friends that have been to every kind of race in the world and they're like, it is so special.
The racing's really good. Yeah, it's really tight. The speeds are insane. And you don't,
such a big track that you, I don't, for you, like you're standing there, you know, the
straights are like, what, two miles long? The straights. No, the whole track's two and a half.
Okay. But just because it, because of how it like looks, like the straights are like
long. I mean, they just, you look down and you're like, fuck, that's so far away. Yeah. And also,
I think the grandstands at the, at the end of the outs aren't as tall. And so there's a
four, there's a four shortening effect. It looks even further. Your brain thinks they're as tall
as smaller. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. When really it's half the height of the grandstand that's right
here on the main straight. That's a cool trick. Yeah. Yeah. So it looks like it's forever. Yeah.
Yeah. But when they're, when they're coming in, and you know, they're going 200 and whatever,
30 miles per hour. Yeah. It's a, is it a blink? And they go past it. If you're on the main straight,
or, or somewhere like, you know, close to the closed view of the track, they're flying by,
they're, they're, you know, flying by, but, but there's also lots of places to get a nice wide.
They had some tickets out on like turn three, you know, we were in an elevated position on the
inside of turn one, and you can, you get a nice kind of a, there's a lot of places to get a panoramic
view as well. I think if you were trying to see the race from the ground,
you're not going to see much. Although we got hot pit access during the race, that was fire.
That was, because like, we, you know, A, the pits are much more accessible
than in F one or in an endurance race or in F one, they have these massive
hot pit setups with these really big risers and the race strategists and, you know, whatever.
And it's, there's a whole, there's so many fucking people in IndyCar. There are no big risers.
The tallest thing is the fueling stack. There are, and, or a single level pop 10. There's only
about 78 people in the pits. There's not, there weren't that many people. There's
nothing blocking your, so you, I could sit here right on, there's a line on the ground,
you have to stay here. But like, I could stay here and I'm 20 feet from the car that's just
pulled into the pit and I'm not, my view isn't obstructed by anything. So that was like really
cool. And then we walked down to the end of the pits and we were just at, we were at the,
at the end of the last pit and realized that like, there's just an open view ground level of the
entry to turn one right here. It's, it's like the, the fucking paramedics view of the corner.
And, and because you're at the last stall, no one's coming by you with tires or anything. And
like, fuck, we just sat down there for like a half hour, just on the entry to turn one.
Sick. I watched one of the fucking first responders, like, like fucking falling asleep,
like, like Trump in a cabinet meeting, just like, oh, those guys that are sitting or the people
that are just sitting in their suits and they sit in the warm truck or whatever. And on hour three,
you know, what do you do? Yeah. It was, it was a very, very cool experience that I would,
I would love to repeat again. Now that I, now that I have a little firsthand, a little knowledge,
especially, I'd love to, to repeat the trip again. Nowhere to drive out there though. Fuck me.
We'll talk about a couple of cars I drove on this trip next show, but
the roads are straight. The roads are no good out there. That's, that's a fucking tough look.
And I'd say, I'd say poor Graham, and I don't really mean that because Graham
all has quite a nice life, but so he's no such, no poor Graham in this house. But
when it comes to roads to enjoy some really dope cars on boys, he have a lot of nothing.
Yeah. I mean, it means that he has to go to a track or go to a far off place to enjoy the car.
He can't just pop out of his house like we can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he let me drive a couple
cars and we'll talk about those next week. But thank you again to Edwards Life Sciences for
having me out at Indy. There's a little BTS about me and Spikes experience vacationing together
on the, there'll be on the Patreon. It's audio only, but you know, it's, it's, it's there. And
it's, it was a pretty funny show actually. And yeah, get your valves checked. There's the website
is literally getyourvalveschecked.com. Like that's, that's where you do it. And you can learn about
it to do totally noninvasive, could save your life. Very easy. Oh, stay in the race. Oh, you weren't
so I thought that it was just verbal analogies for you. I didn't realize like the branding is
also sponsoring their sponsor. Okay. So Ray Hall, Letterman, Lannigan racing,
all three of the owners of this team, Bobby Ray Hall, David Letter, Mike Lannigan,
they all have had open heart surgery. Yeah. And so Bobby Ray Hall got up and told the story.
I don't think he was lying. Got up and told the story that he went to get a,
just to a cardiologist appointment and they were like, when did you have your first heart
attack? And he's like, fuck you talking about, and they're like, you've definitely had a heart
attack. And he's like, oh, and they're like, nah, huh. So he had like an invisible heart attack.
Got it. And other, other folks had real heart attacks. The other guy. So you've heard of Bobby
Ray Hall. He won the, it was the 40th anniversary. This was so great. 40th anniversary of when Bobby
Ray Hall won the Indy 500 in 1986. Pull up. You want to see an amazing photograph? Pull up Bobby
Ray Hall, 1986. This fucking guy is aging in reverse. The picture of him sitting on his,
on his car right there. So can you, can you get, get full screen this guy? Because it's pretty
grainy. Oh, is it? It's gonna look like he garbage. Oh, we got to find a large, a large one of 1986,
Bobby Ray Hall. Basically, he looks like a 56 year old accountant. Yeah. I mean, for people,
you know, he's got a big, thick mustache as you do in the 80s. He's got really big glasses.
Big glasses. And he's got like, look, he's got the fire tuck haircut kind of.
Well, he's got like, he's balding with a comb over. Yeah. So now he's got a goatee, no glasses.
He's really fit, you know, and he's shaved his head like mine. You know, now he looks, he looks
awesome. So it was the 40th anniversary of, yeah, that's what he looks like now. He looks great.
Yeah. So, and he got to, he did some laps in that car, which is pretty cool.
But so he got up at the, the pre race party that we were at big party at, at Ray Hall,
Letterman, Lannigan Racing, and he brought up his, his crew from 1986, you know, who are now
like in their 70s or whatever at the 40th anniversary was pretty, that was pretty cool.
That's awesome. Yeah, that was dope. And the facility was pretty sick too, where they,
they build the, like we went to Hendrick, member Hendrick. It was very similar to that. Sure.
Yeah. Also a little smaller, obviously, Hendrick is a bigger organization. This is, this was like
just like the building where the party was in kind of, but yeah. But it's so special. I mean,
these folks have the craziest triumphs and memories and the fact, and if they're able to
keep all the cars that can prompt those memories and go, oh, and remember, like you and I have
this with shoots. We go, oh, remember when this thing broke or we got a ticket over there or
whatever? And now go, remember when we went 262 miles per hour with the engine blew up and then
we put a new engine in and so-and-so caught on fire, but they're okay. I mean, all this, like
Ross Belly has a couple of those he talks about on, it's not the car pod and like the stories of
Indie racing from the 80s and 90s are terrifying. The turbos were mounted outside of the car.
The power was ridiculous. A lot of the engines were unreliable. The fuel,
I mean, a lot of them run just pure methanol. And I think that's when they learned that you
can't see it because it's just a person to flame. Invisible fire.
And a lot of things from back then that made victory, just surviving it was incredible and then
winning. Wow. So it's very cool. Dude, and the poor, I'm so sorry, I'm
poor guy. He was the guy who was overtaken for any came in second. Just the crushing emotion.
There was nothing he could do. His foot was on the floor. He is not allowed to make a defensive
move and going into that turn being in second is the advantageous position to take or even third
potentially is the advantageous position to be in. His foot is on the floor. He's fully
dumping his hybrid as fast as he can. Dude, and he was crushed. Crushed. That would be brutal
because you're in first. Yeah. And then, but you know the person behind you might get the draft
and then you're fucked because you're breaking the wind. Yeah. In front of them. Yeah. And what
can you do? I mean, that's just simple arrow. That's really hard. Too soon, Junior. Exactly.
I was thinking the same thing. Yeah. You hit the hybrid too soon. Yeah. There's all that different
deployment stuff. Crazy, right? Yeah. Yeah. What a thing to see. I mean, and you need that
combination of in person and the information of the fucking screen and the commentary and stuff.
The commentary is so essential these days, especially with all the tech and the techniques.
And I think they do a good job on Indy. You know, Hinchcliff and the team for F1 do a really good
job of keeping it moving but explaining what the drivers are doing. That's a really impressive
skill to have. Yeah. Such a cool thing. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta, if you're not watching it on
TV at the very least, you should be watching it on TV. I mean, that's, it is a thing to see on
television. If you're not watching it live, you should see it on TV. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not
watching it at all, at the very least, you should be watching it on TV. And if you're like, what
would be a great, you know, motorsport weekend to have with my fucking homies, like this would be
a good one. Because it's like, you can make it classy, you can make it trashy, you could split
the difference. Like, you know, we didn't even know about that snake pit place so much until we
got in. Because I was like, we were, we were with, you know, medical people when they were talking
about the snake pit. And so, you know, as we're walking in, we just see like, we saw the, the,
it was, you know what it was like? It was like grid life on crack, right? Where there's a race
and a thing and that maybe they cross over. Maybe they know about each other. And you can kind of
tell who's here for what. It was like that, except we didn't know what the other people were there
for. So we just thought, we're like, holy shit, these girls are coming to a fucking race dress
like this. It's like, wow, that's fucking blue shoes, handing out samples crazy. Love the sponsor.
You know what there was surprisingly like, not much of was like a midway. You know, normally
there's like a big central aisle with like a ton of booths and a ton of like,
you know, maybe a little carnival games or like whatever, just like shit for people to do and
see. And there was a small one. Edwards Life Sciences did have a booth there, which was,
you know, it was a great thing they did. They signed up over a thousand people. They were doing
heart, heart valve checks. So they, they, they, they checked over like a thousand people. It was
great. They had a bunch of stuff, but like right across from it was Borschetta Bourbon.
And by the way, Scott Borschetta is like the worst human alive. He's, he's the, he was
Scooter Braun's business partner that like fucked Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift.
Oh, they bought like they own the rights to their music.
It's big machine records. And then he was the guy, he's one of the guys who just got like
super booed at a graduation ceremony because he said like, you better get on with, you know,
you better get up to speed with AI. And he was getting booed. And he was like, look,
you can listen to me now or you can pay me later. That's what he said to college graduates,
dude, this guy. So his boot, we're like, we're over here trying to save lives, dude. This guy,
it's like the biggest dick bag on earth. It's like, guess what? I'm about to fuck all you guys
right now. Drown your sorrows in my alcohol. And the next to that one was like the Zen booth.
And next to the, the next thing that was a coffee booth that had a hype man
and they must have paid this dude in coffee because this guy was screaming at 120 decibels
for four straight fucking thing. He's just giving him free espresso. Oh my God.
And they did the Oscar Meyer Wiener Mobile race, which actually was a super fucking highlight.
That's also a spec series. Wiener. Yeah. Isn't it? And now maybe there's a cheater engine. We
spec dog. Um, someone just hot rods. They're fucking I net. We got an Oscar Meyer, somebody
out there. Get out me. I need to be in, I need to be in a Wiener Mobile because they have like
really cool. I don't know, 56 seats in the Wiener Rebels and people are in them. People
riding in them during the race. I need to be on Oscar Meyer's press event. Yeah. I'm getting that
motherfucker. You can drive. You have a complex, but they do it right after, you know, not qualifying,
but practice. And so once you're watching an Indy card pass, she would like 240 or, you know,
232 or whatever the hell. And this thing is going by at 70. Yeah, it takes an hour. Well,
it's a two lap race. It takes like 16 minutes, but they were fucking juke it out a bit, dude.
And then New York won one and got like boots. Because there was an Indianapolis one. Is there
a local? There was, there must have been. There was like Chicago, Detroit,
New York. There was a corn dog. I was all about the corn dog. The corn dog one had like a stick
coming out of its ass. Long tail. LT. Yes. I'm curious what city it is. Anyway, it was, that was
a fun spectacle. And a, a lot of people went up to the grandstands to watch it. Yeah. The grandstands
were the busiest all of that they were all day on Friday during the hot dog race. Well, it's like,
uh, it's like the tractor race at low at not lift at a rents monorail or rail rents. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. It's cause it's, it's got whimsy. It's funny. Yeah. It was great. Cool. Oh, good thing. So,
yeah, Indy 500, uh, add it to your list. You should do it. It's a, it's fucking cool thing.
Right. Shall we talk about, uh, another relatable topic? $400,000 Aston Martin? We should. Yeah,
buddy. Where's my Aston Martin notes? So both Zach and I, this was nice of Aston Martin for real.
They gave us a double, double length loan. So both Zach and I could have a go. So I drove it for a
week before I left and then Zach drove it for a week while I was gone. Yep. And, uh, what did you
think? Clatman, did you drive, you drove the DB 12 Volante convertible? Yes. But just kind of briefly.
Well, I drove it with you on launch day. So that was a day in the canyons and then I did not drive
the regular coupe. Right. Um, and then this one I drove to court where I upstaged everyone there.
I was a juror. I was not in, in a case. Yeah. I was not defending myself.
10 ways to ensure your conviction. Yeah. I'm here to, I'm here to fight a speeding ticket in my
bright orange Aston Martin DB 12 S. No, your honor. I was not the car I got the ticket in.
Quick sidebar. A bag of the day, me and Larry Casilla, Wildwood, New Jersey,
muscle car week. I forget what they called it, whatever. We all went down with our
Mustangs, Larry's parents at a house there. They're fucking surrounds you with the intersections
and they pour bleach and shin your tires and make a wall as you leave. So you do a burnout.
Okay. Do a burnout. I get a fucking ticket for reckless. Okay. Along with like 700 other people
that day, we all have the same court date. All of us or at least a great many of us
to use the opportunity to drive our fucking muscle cars to court and we, there's an impromptu
really cool, enormous car show in the parking lot of court because we're all there to fight
our fucking tickets. We all have the same idea. That's a great day. It was awesome. That was so
funny. Cause then you feel like you're part of an army, essentially. And like, look,
it's one of us loses. We all lose, but at least we're here together. Yeah. It was so great.
Although on the other hand, if one person got off cause their defense was better than yours,
you're like, Oh shit, I should have thought of that. I don't think anybody was getting off.
Yeah. Okay. So you took it to court. So I mean, I went on the Vantage S launch, which
and I have joked that like these cars are so similar, I think to the detriment of the DB12S,
but the ride in this car, I think is much better than the Vantage S. This is a little bit
softer, but damped really well. So the ride around town on the highway, I mean, I think I did like
500 miles in this. Did you do 500 miles? Maybe not 500. Good for you. Nah, I probably did 350.
I kept it under three. I was like, I don't want to do too many, but you did. Carpenteria,
CME and back. Wow. That's not 500. I don't think that's 500. That's probably great. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
Go on. So, but I was, you know, from when you get in the car, it does look extremely
alike the Vantage, the interior, a lot of the materials, like most of the design. It's just
the back seat. It's just the back seat. That's what you're talking about here. It is a much bigger
car, but the ride is very GT, you know, appropriate. And you got like the double pane glass,
the seat. Once I adjusted it right when I first got in, I was like, it's not as good as like a
Porsche seat. But once I adjusted it, I went, oh, five hours in this car, no problem, no pain when
I got out of the thing. Like all the adjustments really, really helped. The leather is really nice.
I was just really impressed with it. Then the front cow, the visibility out the front,
despite having this giant engine up there, you know, it compared to something like,
you know, new Mustang or anything else that has a V8 in the front.
This has, it just drops off really nice. The engine's pretty low and pretty far back. It's not
fully behind the axle, but it's like mostly behind. It all works really well. The greenhouse,
you get the side windows led in a lot of light, really easy to drive to see what's around you.
And it just felt like, you know, really bright inside versus some sports cars just feel like
you're in this turret. So I came away very impressed by it. There were a couple of things
I didn't like. What we can talk about, what do you like about it first? Because you drove it
more dynamically. Yeah, I drove it in the canyons. It's, it's fast as fuck. I mean, I think it's,
it's, so I love the S variant of all Aston Martins, right? The DBX S, the Vantage S, like
when you put an S on it, like they've figured it out. It's like a couple extra years of development,
little more power, little more time with the code in the shocks and the steering and the this.
They refined a thing. Maybe there's been a tire development or something. They usually, you know,
fit the S with the most desirable optional equipment. They change the alignment a little
bit on this. They tune some stuff. Yeah. So it's 690 horsepower, which is 19 more than the regular
one. I mean, do you notice that? It's a 10 faster to 60. And that's from the gear changes. That's
actually not, Aston says that's from better gear changes, not from more power actually. It's so
much power. I mean, can you tell 19 more at that? Maybe if you had them side by side, but outside
of that, no, it's a lot. You know, it's, it's got the updated dampers. It's got a better rear sway bar.
It's got a retuned electronic differential that's supposed to reduce understeer at low speeds.
Ceramic brakes are standard. It's 4,000 pounds, which sounds like a lot, but a Bentley GT is
they're all over five. Yeah. Like even the, the basis Bentley GT is over five, not even the hybrids.
It's far less mass. And so here's the thing. The, this one that we drove was really expensive.
And if you think about it in terms of as tested, delivered price to our door,
you go, well, why, why would I get this instead of a Vantage S, which performs largely the same?
I think the, the ride between the Vantage S and this isn't as different as you think.
I had it recently, but it is better in this in the, in the DB 12 S, but, but not enormously so,
considering the Vantage S I drove was $230,000 and this one, that's as tested. This was 401,000
tested. Now, having said that, the base price of this DB 12 S is 272. I understand we're talking
about huge amounts of money here, but hear me out. It had 70 K in options. It then had 23 K in
tariffs put on it, which is how you get to 401. You'd probably have a bunch of tariffs put on
the Vantage S. Obviously. But if you, where I wanted to circle back to on this cost thing is
if you got a DB 12 added ceramic brakes, it would only be a $5,000 premium beyond that to get an S.
So like the long and short of it is like the S is like absolutely the one to get within that range.
But unless you're very short, the back seat is silly. Yeah. That's, that's stupid. I don't know
if you can option one without with a full rear seat delete. I haven't seen one before with a rear
seat delete. If you can, you probably should just to get a shelf there because you're not putting
people back there unless you're short and they're little kids. Here's my biggest, I actually really,
here's my biggest issue with this car and then I'll tell you some bunch of good things.
For the extra length, for the extra cost, there isn't any extra leg room. The seat
is the same distance from the pedals when all the way back as the Vantage S. It's really,
it's really, really, if it's anymore, it's very, very little. And so after a week of driving it
around, I ended up with the same tight hip flexors that I ended up with my 32 inch inseam
that I had in the Vantage S. So for all that extra space and weight and everything, I didn't
get the one thing that I would hope I would get, which is leg room. Sure. Do you get more,
can you lean the seat back more? That's not what I need. I know. But I'm wondering if like,
if you're a very tall and of course a very rich person. The answer to your question is yes,
because there's not a bulkhead there. So you can, if you have a long torso and long arms,
yes, you can, one might say, gangster lean. It's the basketball player car. Right. As opposed
with the Vantage, you're stuck, you know, on the bulkhead pretty much. So I would love a little
bit more leg room from this car, given its size and intended purpose. Okay. Outside of that,
I took it up the mountain. This car is really fast. This fucking thing,
holes ass, the brakes are really good. The balance is really good. It doesn't get upset by
bumps at the mid corner. I mean, if you're not, if you're like super pushing it might,
but we're talking about, you know, Canyon speeds here, not racetrack speeds.
You know, this, this steering feel is good. Like everything about it is really, really nice.
I just would have a very hard time justifying it over a Vantage, which performs fucking largely
the same if not actually is faster. And my Vantage is probably faster than this. And
yeah, either the ride is dialed down like 10%. But it's like, it's, it's not like a DB 12 and
a Vantage occupy more or less exotic space in people's minds. They largely put Aston Martin
in one bubble, right? When you say so. Yeah, I think so. So I don't think you buy extra clout
by having a DB 12 S versus a Vantage only among those who really know and shop where you shop,
I think it's kind of like it's the AMG 63 versus 65 conversation. You know, who's that really for?
It's for your colleagues. And you go, I was able to buy the 65, even though the 63
makes almost the same power, sounds better, et cetera. Yeah, sure. That makes total sense,
but except they have the same engine. These two, right? That's true. It's just the difference in
length and, you know, to some degree styling. It is a very, very good car, this thing. It's just,
it's, it's expensive. I also had a few software hiccups. Yep, me too. You also like all the
Aston Martins have to do the stupid deactivate the ADAS thing every time you start it, which
is pretty quick though. There's two buttons, but yeah. But the touch, that touch screen,
the first hard button that pulls up the menu, that's fine. The touchscreen one doesn't always
respond so fast. No, there's a delay to it. I looked at the configurator. You cannot do a
seat delete in the back. Yeah, I had a num, I, well, the biggest issue I had was the key fob.
It does not recognize the key. And there are times where it's like, please place key in the
marked spot. And I was rubbing the key like it, you know, against that steering column,
like it was a magic lamp. And it still wouldn't do it a couple of times. Did the, did the unlock it,
lock and unlock while sitting in the driver's seat? Not always. Did most of the time for me that
made it happen. So now sometimes your advice was good, hitting the unlock button on the dash,
seemed to help. But when I would do that, what it would do sometimes is I get in the car,
I hit unlock, I'm in the car now, and the car would like kind of power on. I press the start
button, it says key fob not detected. Put key in mark spot. I put key on the column, still would
say key fob not detected. I would then hit unlock on the dash, and more lights would turn on,
and then it would start itself five seconds later. So I don't have to hit start again.
It's like, yeah, it's almost like, it's almost like hitting start sent the signal, but it got
blocked by a sentry, and me hitting unlock, the sentry allows that signal to pass.
It's like, it's like remote start, but instead of a key fob from inside the car, it's interior
remote start. Did that, once it didn't recognize my phone, well, I take it back. It saw my phone
in the list, but didn't power up carplay, which is funny in the car that offers carplay ultra.
Mine never got to carplay ultra. I just never, I told it not to the first time.
I would tell mine to every time. It never asked again. Oh, do you had to tell it no every time?
No, no. I tell it yes every time, and then it doesn't do it. Oh, that's funny. I'm four for four
with Aston Martins and this one. Okay. With me going, yep, turn on carplay ultra, and then going,
okay, and then it doesn't do it. Which, you know, I mean, the gauges look really nice. I think
they're really easy to read. I like the way the screen looks, and but it just responds a little
slowly. And when you think about all the hardware software behind it to make carplay ultra run,
you're like, wow, why is this such a slow responding screen? I don't know.
Yeah, I think, but I think the interior looks fantastic. And even ours was bright orange outside.
I mean, we look like where I parked here on a gray day, you could look two blocks down and
see the car. You knew it was yours. So the exterior was a bit much, but the interior was like this
very dark green with orange and carbon fiber accents. Totally worked. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah.
It's the I got, I hope that this software thing, I mean, they've been making a DB the DB 12
for a long time. I haven't driven another Aston that had software this bad in a while. It's
usually limited to carplay ultra. I hope this is just a pre pro that's been kicking around for a
long time. I think it had a bunch of miles on it, didn't it? I think so. Sounds nice. Over 5,000
miles. The rear end of this looks a lot better than the Vantage, I think. I like the design much
more. I would take off the license plate nipples if I bought one though. Sure. Yeah, definitely.
I want to ask you about the steering because I know that they've changed some of the alignment
which affected like from center. Yeah. It's kind of heavy, almost to the point where I go, it feels
like Camaro's set to sport mode and manufactured weight. But I think it's actually coming from
the alignment. When you got, when you were driving faster in the canyons, did that go away?
Did you mind it? I minded it around town on off ramps because it was like, this is way heavier
than I'd expect from a GT car. Did you put the, what mode were you driving in? I did GT, I did
individual, I did normal. Did you change individual from what I had it? No. Okay. I drove an individual
most of the time, mainly because it was just one click and it got rid of like start, stop and stuff
like that. And for me, individual is like powertrain sport plus steering GT suspension sport.
Because GT suspension was like a little wallowy, but the sport was like nice and tight without
being harsh. Yeah. So that was how I liked it most of the time. It was a little heavy steering on
center in town, but half the time that was just the ADAS. I forgot to turn off.
It was better in the canyons, although it does get a little tram liney when you get on the brakes
hard and it loads up the nose on a canyon road. You have to like kind of hang on to keep the car
straight a little bit. You know what I mean? Unlike the Zinger with the fucking wang on it,
gotta put that on the next podcast too. Oh yeah. You forgot to talk about that. You've driven a
lot of stuff in the last two weeks. I've driven many things. I can't believe I wrote a list for
next show. Doesn't even have Zinger on it. Like I forgot. Yeah. We talked about it a little bit,
I think. I need to drive a few less things, I think. So in general, very good, but for me,
real money, spending, fucking Vantage S. I know. Just Vantage S. They've done too good a job. Yeah.
It means it's Aston's fault. Like they've excelled too much. Yeah. And the rumor is they're going
to kill the Vantage S and this is just going to be it. Wow. Get a Vantage S now while you can.
Yeah, it's a really good car. Yeah. But thank you to Aston for letting us have a go. We do appreciate
that very much. Would you buy this or the Ferrari Luce? Do you want to do that? Do you want to talk
about that or to go over and do questions? They probably want, even the fucking patrons would
rather hear us talk about the stupid Ferrari Luce. There are a lot of questions about the Luce.
All right. Well, we can lead into that with one of the other. But that, yeah, that's all I have
on DB12S, except to say that there is a video of it as well. I made a video and that will be
coming out whenever Zach edits it. Right, the Ferrari motherfucking Luce. So you know what's
really funny about this is... Nothing, Matt. Nothing. A lot is funny about this. I mean,
to me, this is like this. We've got to the sci-fi era, right? This is a demolition man car.
Absolutely right. This is a great movie car. If this was in Running Man, the new one, you'd go,
yeah. Makes sense. This is, yeah. But as a fucking cap, this is an iPad.
That was a Ferrari. Do they not take Waymo's where they design this? Because that is a Waymo.
That's a Jaguar I-Pace. I'm sorry, it is. There's some great memes going around about, like,
you know, it looks like a lot of different things. It looks like the Versa... No, sorry,
it looks like the Leaf. Yeah. I mean, and these memes are making fun, but not wrong. There's a
lot of weird design elements. This is such a... In this color, this orange that we're looking at,
it looks like the... What's the new Subaru not Uncharted? The Subaru Uncharted... Pull up a
Subaru Uncharted in orange. And this is... Tell me, tell me we haven't really... What's happened here?
There. Oh, that's weird. Tell me we're not awfully close. Yeah, I mean, it's the black roof thing.
Yeah. I mean, that carries over. I actually think the front end of the Subaru is much better
looking. The Subaru is actually better. The lights are way better looking.
Yeah, man. It's because it's like... There's so many things about it. It's a really... I find
it to be a confusing choice, and we could get into the design stuff, but I don't know what they're
doing. Okay. That's where I'm at. Do you think it looks a little bit... I'm going to say a nice
thing about it. Do you think it looks a little bit like the Aston Martin Bulldog?
Do you know the Aston Martin Bulldog? Philip Bones it? Yeah, the 70s thing. The clear wedge thing.
The clear wedge thing. I think it has elements of the Aston Martin Bulldog. If you look at it from
the side profile, I think there's some elements of this. I think you need to get a description
check. Okay, fine. Not to just totally be a dick. The Bulldog, I mean, is from a different era,
of course, but the front end is extremely pointy, and the headlights are right here. Everything's
kind of traditional, but the Ferrari, for me, the first thing that leaps out is this massive chin,
this cliff edge where the headlights are set back from the edge of the property here,
and this is just a huge open area. It reminds me a lot of that Hyundai... Sorry, Hyundai's little
hatchback concept they did. I don't know. They sold it in the UK. The little EV hatchback they made
with the round lights, but it had the recessed black where the headlights were.
Oh, I liked that. The Honda E or whatever it was called. I think it looks great looking car,
but this jutting front bumper is so strange. I don't know. I really do feel like outside of the
shape of the mouth, I feel like the wedges, the wedginess of it and the shape of the roof line,
I feel like they're trying to... They're making an attempt, and I'm not saying they're succeeding,
but I think they're making an attempt to re-usher in some kind of wedge era,
but to do it with a... Round... Yeah, yes, but like a... That's 70s wedge. I think they're going
for 90s wedge. This is Mark Neusen. Now, I fucking... The problem with this is I fucking love Mark
Neusen. He did my Icopod watch. He's done... He did a bunch of car type projects in the 90s.
I don't think this looks good. I'm just trying to see what he was going for.
I would like that answer too, genuinely. I'm curious, because it's such a departure,
even from someone on Instagram, they're like, how come it looks like a car with a car inside it?
I said, well, the pro Sangway did that first. And they mentioned it in the press release.
They're like, we think this floating body thing is cool, but this is a massive
departure from all of their other designs, even some of the controversial ones, the Testeros,
the F80. This is like... You see it in the same dealership. You're like, who traded in something
from... I don't know. It looks like if you tried to burtona up a Faraday future. Yeah, right? Yeah.
It looks like you took a Faraday to a coach builder. To Zagato. To Zagato. And I won a one-off
Faraday F9. Yeah, that's this. Faraday Future Zagato, basically, is exactly what I see here.
Their stock dropped 6%. I mean, what do you think... Here's just a good thought exercise,
though. What do you think they could have done with an EV that would make their stock
have gone up 6%? What could they have done that you would like?
I'll preface by saying, I think when you are given hard points and all that stuff,
and with modern safety regulations, that dictates the shape of a lot of things.
So I would want to see that before I would get too judgmental. But honestly, just make it pretty.
And I'm not trying to be a jerk. It worked for Tesla. Rivian.
It's worked for Scout. I would not say. Do you think Rivians are pretty?
I think if you change that, if you got rid of the headlights that are controversial,
I think most people will just say, that's a totally good look in not range over
copy, but close. Just handsome, unoffensive shapes. I think that's the solution. Is anytime you're
going to make something that is a little bit controversial in propulsion, if you make it
undeniably good looking. I mean, look, Maserati MC20. It's from a company with a racing history
that's so old, no one really remembers it. The performance is like pretty good, but not
beating anything really, especially for the money. But all of us just go, that's just a
classically great looking car. Yeah, that's tough to do with a five passenger EV. Not impossible.
The Model S was an amazing looking car. They copied Aston Martin successfully.
And I happen to think the Taycan wagon looks great. Yes. Fantastic. I think that's a great
looking electric car. They're other great looking electric cars. I mean, well, not my f- I think
the Rolls Royce Spectre, there's elements of it I don't love, but it definitely is what I would
expect from an electric Rolls Royce. 100% what I would be thinking there. And I think the advantage
that Rolls Royce had is that they were like, they're known for building large cars, two-door,
four-door, they kind of look very similar. And for Ferrari, this is a big challenge. They got to
step out and do a five passenger thing right off the, off the heels of prosangue, so they can't
copy that. But they do make mid-engine cars. Like it's funny, they make mid-engine cars. So you
think if you were going to make a sedan that didn't have an engine in the front or a crossover that
didn't have an engine in front, that's kind of how you can end up almost where they went, tried to
go here by going, okay, well, we can make sort of a mid-engine looking like this. This looks like
what a, this sort of looks like what, particularly this angle here, it looks like if you may be
squinted at an Alfa Romeo SZ from like the 90s. You know what I mean? Especially, yeah, the drooping
angle from the back to the front. Yeah, with a cam back. I can kind of see what they were
sort of going for, a cab forward mid-engine look. And I bet you that front end,
and I'm trying to, I'm trying to give them benefit of the doubt. Because I, because objectively,
I don't think this is very good looking. I'm just, I'll stand by that based on these pictures.
I can't wait to see one in person. Can't wait to drive one. I want to try. Of course I want to try.
What do you want to try? Obviously, I want to drive everything. Yeah. But, but I don't think it looks
great. And I think the fact that those wheels are apparently 23s and 24s is hiding an awful lot of
height. But I love suicide doors. I love a suicide door. I don't hate the doors. I don't hate the
inside of the doors, which look like a fucking Testarosa, to be honest with me. Yeah, the ribbed
leather. Yeah. That's what it would be called, or pipe, yeah, ribbed leather. That looks really cool.
I like the steering wheel. I liked it when I saw it before. Yeah. And I bet you it's a nice place
to spend your fucking time, to be honest with you. But are they, apparently the word is pricing is
like $600,000. I was talking with Spike about this. I think no matter how much money you have,
with very, very rare exception, even very rich people, in my experience, because a lot of them
keep their cars here, they, they see the top of an EV at about $150,000. You know, like you're,
you're just not, it's such a, think about the G wagons and the, the specters and the, and the,
the sapphires and Taycan turbo GTs. Dude, these things don't sell. They sell with cash on the hood.
They're not, they don't sell for MSRP. Just the market is not there for a $250,000. I happen to
think, Zach, those wheels look very good on that, Luce. I like those wheels. Simple good-looking
fire spoke. Yeah, nothing wrong with that wheel. That's a good wheel. What can we put those wheels
on? Anything else. You put them on a 458, look fucking sick. They're 24s. Oh, you know, they,
yeah, right. See, when you consider that those wheels are 24s, right? Like if those wheels were like
20s, that would still be a big car. It's a very big car. And the, the prosangue was a big car,
and I only keep bringing it up because it was the other four door, five seater they've made.
That was also a big car. Good shape if you squished the two bodies together, but in my opinion.
Yeah. I'm not a car designer, and I'm sure the designers are yelling right now. Now that black
bit in the middle of the door. Uh-huh. The vent. Is that a vent? I don't know. It, you know what would
be cool is if it was a window. Oh, and you could see like the Senna. Oh, that would be fun. Like if
it was a, if it was a parking window, like a semi, ugh. It's carbon with a
printing horse behind it. Yeah. And I can't tell. It's probably a vent. I mean, it's probably,
you know, helps the, the CFDB really low. Yeah. So it extracts air from the wheel well.
Sure. If I had to guess. Yeah. But I wish it was a window. Sure. That would be sweet.
Yeah, I don't, don't like it very much. Yeah. But I, I, I truly believe that I don't,
I don't think as, I think with very rare exception, even a very rich person that can buy very expensive
stuff, they don't, they, they don't see in any EV experience as being worth more than 150 grand.
It makes sense because it's not unique enough. There's not, there's no way to really make the
propulsion feel different as you go above that. Yeah. Here's all the battery tech. At, at 150,
you get the fastest EV you can buy at a dealership essentially. Yeah. They're all going to have 1200
and 1200 horsepower, the 0.62, 1.8, whatever. And that's it. And if you keep adding money,
you can't really go any faster. You can't accelerate much more quickly, maybe a little
more range, but like that's kind of it. That's it. So like, so I think again, you have, if you want
to do it, it has to be the best looking thing in the world. Right. And it has to also give them
a lot on the inside. That is amazing. And the problem is it's very difficult to build a super
efficient aerodynamic shape for an EV that also looks great. The computers, they just,
if you put in your needs, you just end up at the average egg. Right. So if they chase like
higher range and efficiency, then like the Model S is very slippery, but to get slippery or you're
going to have to start moving things around. And if you, if you put the emphasis on range,
because you want a car that has less drag, you have to move those things around. Yeah.
It's really hard to find both. And the exotic super cars and stuff are not all that aerodynamically
efficient. They have higher drag coefficients, mainly because they're not trying to deduct air
around their shapes. They're trying to duct it into radiators where it slows the car down effectively
as it goes into the radiator. So the, anyway, I want to see one in person. I really want to drive
one. I can't wait to have the, to see the conversations we're going to have in Tenerife
when I began driving the 849 Spider in June for Road and Track. Oh, quick button on this. I was
talking to, I forget who it was this weekend, but someone who works at a Mercedes dealership,
they have a warehouse full of EQSs that they can't sell. And we drove that, that car had
problem like operational issues that we didn't like, but also it's such a boring look compared
to most of the Mercedes cars. It's too big a departure. So I think they might have a building
full of these. And that chain is really aerodynamically efficient too. Like you, to make that egg,
you know, the egg works. It's just ugly. People don't want it. Right. So I was talking to Spike
about this fan fucking in about a year or two, 36 months after launch, electric G wagons, bro,
$60,000 electric G wagons. That's what I'm fucking talking about. Yeah. That's the shift. That's
not, that's not only the best G wagon they make. That's the best fucking electric car Mercedes
makes. Is that electric? That is true. That thing ripped. It was great. Yeah. So good. Let's do a
because Zach has to deliver a stool sample to the doctor in person already made. It's in the back.
In person. Oh my God. We can probably do like 20 minutes. Okay. It's fine. I just want to make
sure you can get there. Of course, if you want to ask questions for the live show, if you want to
get the live show, if you want to get the show, it's when it's recorded rather than waiting
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Spoon again, man. Pretty good. Like it. Will there be a Felicity ace edition of the new canyon
diver? That's funny. And there should be. I will make a note of that and it would be hysterical.
Rip and Toot says there was recently a new speed record for a monster truck. What vehicle would
you want to set a speed record driving? Okay. I would like to be the fastest person ever
in a, hmm, a good question. Fastest. Wienerobile. That'd be fun. Dude. At high speed, that dog is
going to have some front end lift. That's a wing. Did you see at shift sector this past weekend or
very recently a fucking a box Caprice, a 1990 Caprice, like a cop car, did 187 mile an hour
pass. It looks other than like, you know, black steelies. It looked effectively stocked too.
Just a few, do you see it? Oh, wow. It is just a white. It's just a white Caprice
that. Geez, that went 180. What? 187. Yo, that's really, that's really nutty. And there's no arrow
on it. Like there's no NASCAR old school like Finn put on it. That's just bravery. That's just
the Caprice. That's just faith and bravery. Whoa. Separately from that, the, you see a guy in a drag
star did 346 recently. Fastest. And that's a thousand foot. They're not doing quarter mile
anymore. I know because they go too fast. 346 and a thousand foot. Imagine the fucking g-loading of
that. That would be terrifying. 12,000 pound monster truck breaks at Indy. Yeah, here, check it out.
Would this happen in front of me? And I don't even know. Was it this weekend? I feel like you would
have heard it. Oh, shit. Wow. Okay. 103 miles an hour in a monster truck. That's ripping. I love
looking at the tires. I wonder if they took the normal treaded tires and cut them so that they're
smooth. Totally. This and they, it's cool. They like channeled the body back and like just try to
make it quote aerodynamic. That's rad. But even with 1200 horsepower, like this is what, this is a
great example of aerodynamics. 1200 horsepower. Top speed is like 103. Yeah. Because it's this giant
two-story building. Portal axles. Oh, that too. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to say like the problem is
setting a speed record is something that's pretty sketchy in most things. Yes. You want to do the
Guinness move where you find the record no one's done. Yeah. So find a slow thing. Yeah. And then
break the record at 42. Like tricycle. Electric powered tricycle or something like that. Yeah. E-bike.
Like E-bike. I could do something that's technically an E-bike that's like 130 or something,
but an E-bike, you know? Let's see what the semi truck speed record is. It's got to be. Kenworth
did 140. I can fuck. I can beat that. Oh, sorry. I take it back. Someone else did 171. All right.
Now we're getting a little spicy. Canopus got that pikes peak hill climb semi truck. We can
yeah. Good times. What else we got here? Oh, click, click, click. The Johnny Evie Gearman says,
oh, if you were to, I guess these are indie, indie based questions. If you were to choose a production
car to go flat out at indie, high horsepower and downforce, I assume, what would you pick? Zinger
21C. That would be the dopest car to lap Indian because dude, the canopy, the fucking, that car
makes its own weight in downforce. It makes 3,500 pounds of downforce at 150. It's ready. It's
fucking ready. Wow. It's center seat. It's got a kind of a yoke thing happening. It's, that's the
shit. Of course, that's what you need. That's pretty good. 21C. Tenacious Formula D says,
what happened? Is there something, did something happen or Tenacious Formula D says RIP to all
the old car forums feels like the burning of the library of Alexandria for the car community.
Did some forums get shut down? No, the articles just say there's a long decline of them. Oh,
there's no one's using it. I mean, now with Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, AI, like you kind of get
the forums really moved to Reddit. Yeah, I think that's really, really true. What was your most
frequently visited now defunct forum? I don't know about frequently visited, but now defunct.
I was, well, when I was 20, I was a huge VW Vortex fan because I had a Jetta. Then I wanted a
Subaru. So I was on, what is it? NASIOC. I was on every day all the time. It was like North
American Subaru International, whatever. Yeah, it was that and like Club WRX. I was on a bunch of
those. I mean, I started out in Ferrari Chat just because that's where all of the, we use the regional
section. Like the regional section of Ferrari Chat was where like almost all car gatherings in the
New York Tri-State area were organized. Really? Even though Mustang gathering?
Not necessarily a Mustang gathering, but like general car gatherings among, you know, people who
owned a variety of exotic and pseudo exotic cars, just like use the Tri-State area section of Ferrari
Chat as sort of a general. How old were you when you joined Ferrari Chat? 22. Oh, okay. Okay. Like
the vast majority of people on there like did not have a Ferrari. And also that we learned that
there was like a whole bunch of like very rich people that were like huge losers. Like that was
literally when I learned that you could be rich enough to afford a fleet of high-end cars and be
the absolute biggest loser imaginable. So funny. There was a very important lesson to learn. Like
rich people are not all smart. Rich people are not all cool. Like they don't have the
fucking answers. Like it's just they're just really good at that. They're good at this thing.
And sometimes not even. Sometimes they inherited it and they lie about how they got it. Like some,
you know, all kinds of shit. Taman Pella SS. Oh, is the Luce an elaborate self-sabotage plan to tell
the board C EVs don't work for us or genuine stupidity or possibly extortion of the customer
base waiting for allocations? That first one is a pretty funny theory. It is a pretty funny theory
indeed. You know, do a bad enough job that they don't ask you to do the job again. Yeah,
that's the major league. We call it the major league. Oh, I forgot. If you finish dead last,
I can sell the team and move us to fucking Florida, Miami or whatever it was. Yeah.
That would be a crazy move. I think it's here's another possibility. That car could be fucking
huge in China. If someone is in China listening, do you like that car? Because we don't have any
knowledge. Yeah. It's the only the only something I could see is that the Chinese market is just
can't get enough of something like this. Maybe. Yeah. The only way to even an LA their best chance
is Los Angeles, right? And San Francisco in America. That's their best chance. Maybe globally,
right? You mean the biggest market? Yeah, for this fucking car. For a Ferrari, I would say the
biggest market is probably Los Angeles. For it. Where do you think the biggest market for an electric
Ferrari is within America? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. It's delay LA, right? Yeah. Who the fuck in LA
wants this? If they didn't buy the electric G wagon, which they didn't, which they didn't. This is
more expensive, worse looking. I don't know. They might sell them. They might get a couple sold as
allocation keys to other cars. Maybe. But I'll be I mean, they've done that a lot with I think
for a song where they did that. Yeah, that was the thing. That was like I my wife doesn't want
well here. Maybe my wife doesn't want a Roma. So here's I'll get her a pro song way and that'll
get me my 296 My wife hated the pro song. She just wants her Tesla back. Okay, we'll
give her it. We'll give her that. I like that theory. Yeah. Beeping eight asshole thoughts on the
new Grand Seiko spring drive divers. Yes, they're awesome. I tried I tried them on.
I'm actually I don't know if I said it before, but I'm actually going to be a Grand Seiko
ambassador this year. They're giving me one to wear, which is very nice of them.
But it's extremely cool. It's it's got a great fit. There's photos of my Instagram of it. It's
got a great fit. It's very light. The movement's amazing. There it is the green. The the water.
Look at that the way the light moves across the water. It's like wow. It looks like that sort of
tunnel vision you get when you're looking into the sun on a big ocean. You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's really cool. Really dope, really dope. And there's taper to the bracelet and it
micro adjusts and it's just very, very nice. And that's the spring drive ufa movement is
ultra fine accuracy. So it's plus minus 20 seconds a year on a manual mechanical movement,
which is fucking crazy. Yeah, we have five more minutes. Yama Habibi says what is your
favorite drive that Rodentrack puts on? I really like the Smoky Mountains drive with Tail of the
Dragon and Knoxville and Atlanta Motorsports Park and North Georgia. That's a really fun one.
I love the Northern California one that we do. I love the Hudson Valley one that we do because I
get to go home and take my dad and also those roads and the Catskills are great. They're all
different. I mean, I have to say, I think my favorite, favorite's got to be Northern
California because I just think as a region for drive, hotel, food, wine, racetrack, like it just
doesn't get any better. I mean, it's all there and it's all like pretty close by, which means that I
can make a drive route that goes out in the middle of fucking nowhere and then ends at a hotel that's
only 20 miles away and I don't have to waste a bunch of transit driving. A lot of these other
regions, the really good hotels are actually quite far apart and so you can only deviate so much into
the weeds of finding these great side roads, whereas in Northern California, it's very, very easy to do
that. Let's end on this one. Shit, we need to... Okay, wait. Oh, I need... You need to take me back
to the previous question that was asked. The question was for these, we had the patron who was
my wife and I are opening up our marriage. Swingers. Which car is the best for picking up couples that
we potentially want to slam with? Right, right. And you said, we don't have the perspective on the
queer community, so the queer shifting gears can respond and they have. I don't know if I could
enhance the greatness of that question, Hansers, but a K-van or JDM van, zero toxic heteronormativity,
zero ego, lots of space, and the seats lay flat to make a bed. Perfect. I love that they said
lots of space, but used K-van, like you could get... There's bigger vans, but you're like,
well, you want to be a little intimate. The Delica. Is it? Yeah, the Delica. Is that all you have that
car? It's got curtains. It does have Yeah, it has curtains. Mine
has captain seats, but you can get the lay flat bench, which becomes a bed. Interesting. Go buy a
C4ZR1, good username and good consumer advice. I have a Superformance Cobra replica with a 65,
427 side oiler, all right, that's spent part of its history in a racing boat. What has been the
coolest engine crossovers between car and boat? Good question. We've talked about it before.
Lamborghini Diablo V12 marine engines. Those are crazy as fuck.
SHO. Ford Tourist SHO engines that were in my dad's boat.
What's the boat called Thunderbird? Google Thunderbird Lake Tahoe, which I think has Merlin
aircraft engines in it. I think Phillip owns this boat, actually. Yeah. Lake Tahoe. Is that it?
Yeah. It built in 1939. What is the... Can you give us the... I'm sorry to use the fucking
A.I. here, but we need it quick. What is the engines? They say engines, powertrain, powertrain,
powertrain. I thought it was Merlin aircraft engines, but it's... What the fuck is it? Keep...
Come on. Come on. Oh, aircraft. Yeah, see it says aircraft powered. So yeah, I think it's Merlin
Yeah. That's Phillip's boat. We can go on it if we go to Lake Tahoe. That's insane. Yeah.
That's the shit right there. That and them fucking skiffs in Thailand where they put like
literal 2Js. Yeah, or like the big diesel. It's all... It's just on a pivot point.
It's a tiller. And they have a tiller to offset the weight and they just go into the ocean. Super
cool. Dude, an entire turbo like V6 on a fucking tiller. Yeah. It's really wild. So nuts. Yeah.
I think we need to pop off. Okay. We'll save all the rest of your questions. You're very important
to us, but Zach has to deliver an enormous stool sample to the doctor right now. It's just...
Matt's gonna hold my hand because he's a good friend.
Just take it all in, you know. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions.
Thanks for everyone else for listening today. We have a lot more, including the two awesome
cars that I drove with Graham Rahall and the Zinger 21C report on the next episode of the
Smoking Tire. See you later.
About this episode
Kicking off with their first Indy 500 weekend, the hosts connect the race’s stadium-like energy and tailgate culture to tight on-track drama—down to “Two thousandths of a second”—plus IndyCar’s close-quarters strategy, hybrid timing, and rain-control chaos. They also pivot to a health PSA about heart valve checks. Later, the show turns to car reviews: an Aston Martin DB12S loaner and a detailed, sometimes critical look at the DB12S “S” upgrade, then the futuristic Ferrari Luce, including styling debates and EV design speculation.
Matt Farah recaps his first-ever trip to the INDY500; he and Zack Klapman review the Aston Martin DB12S; and Ferrari has unveiled its first EV, the Luce.
Patreon Questions include:
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Best production car to go WOT at Indy
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Grand Seiko Spring Drive diver
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Cars for sex: the followup
Boat / car motor crossover royalty
Recorded May 26, 2026
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