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Hello and welcome to this car pop.

I'm Kenan.

I'm Flippen.

And there's a lot to discuss.

Let's start with the news.

Ferrari, what happened?

Well, it was, Ferrari had a tough time recently.

So they recently, the Ferrari's a publicly traded company.

So they announced their plans for upcoming models.

And one of the things they're announcing is

they're focused on electric.

They're going to be introducing an electric supercar

at some point.

And the market wasn't pleased about this.

Okay, no, we gotta be correct about this.

The market was not pleased.

Cause as part of that same 10 year plan,

they decreased their forecasted numbers.

So is that related to their product max?

Surely in some way, but it is not that that investor said,

oh, we hate that they're releasing an electric vehicle.

It's Ferrari said they're not gonna grow

as quickly as they've been growing.

Yeah, but I think the two things are probably linked.

There's a lot of other market forces happening.

That means that Ferrari is being relatively

constructed in this sense.

But they had their worst day since 2016.

Yeah, but okay.

It's not gonna happen, right?

Yeah, the market does not like when any company announces

guidance or earnings that are lower than previous forecast.

Yeah, Ferrari has always had this incredible profit margin

and this incredible growth that everybody's been obsessed with.

Ferrari is trying to temper some expectations,

probably in part because of some of their electric strategy

that isn't really gonna continue like it maybe was

given the current situation.

Yes.

So I don't really know exactly what the,

it's hard because like,

Ferrari is a really difficult company to manage

because it's so, they have this reputation

for making the fastest, most involving experiential cars.

And so it's hard to then direct that product strategy

into the future if it's gonna be,

it's just a difficult brand to manage.

The difficult brand to manage, certainly.

What they have said.

Are they at the end of the day?

They're a company that makes a lot of money.

Right now.

Listen to this.

40% of Ferrari sales were,

they had forecasted three years ago

that 40% of their sales would be electric.

And now they're saying only 20% of their sales.

By 2030, only 20% would be electric.

Which is pretty far in the future.

Like they've been four years.

Yeah, but a lot of brands said

that they're only gonna be electric.

Ferrari has cut the amount by half

of the numbers of vehicles

that are gonna be fully electric.

Yeah, they continue to say they're going to release

20 new cars over the next several years.

Well, but that includes,

whenever I would say that, it's versions of,

it's versions of, you know,

the 12-cylinder is gonna spawn nine different cars.

If you go on their website,

there's gonna be a 12-cylinder XX

and a 12-cylindry convertible and a 12-cylindry GTB.

Better than it exists.

You get my point.

Yes, that's true.

I'm hoping that if they've at least looked at Porsche,

one of those cars will be something

with a manual transmission.

Oh, well, I'm not even hoping though.

Well, I mean, I'm hopeful.

But yeah, you say this, but the SP3 is an NAV12.

No hybrid assist.

That's kind of a backwards step in a lot of ways.

So I don't know.

The, you know, the electric Ferrari

is supposedly gonna be called the Ferrari Electrica.

Yes. You're aware of this?

Yeah.

They haven't been doing their best naming for a while.

The Italians think, the Italians think,

and correctly, that most words in their language

sound amazing.

So like quattro parte, like it just means four door.

But they can't always get away with it.

Right, they should call the next one the Ferrari Filippo.

You know what they ought to do?

Sure.

They ought to base their naming decisions

on how the word sounds in English.

Electrica, no.

Do di ci cilindri.

No.

Was that good?

What about the Ferrari La Ferrari?

Did you enjoy that years ago?

I always liked that in the Enzo Ferrari.

Yes, the Enzo Ferrari, not the Ferrari Enzo.

Do you think that they, at the factory,

they still call it the Enzo Ferrari?

You know what I mean?

I'm sure they're pedantic about it like I am.

Anyway, Ferrari, we'll see.

It's interesting.

This is the late, yet again, another example

of an automaker that is cutting guidance,

cutting forecasts on electric vehicles.

20% of their sales will be electric by 2030.

It's still a pretty ambitious target,

given that they don't have a single electric model.

I have the suspicion this isn't the only cut

they're gonna make.

Apparently in the guidance where they issued this,

they said that they made the change to the EV target

due to a client-centric approach to their product portfolio.

In other words, people don't want this crap.

We'll see if they still want it when it's 20%.

Maybe it's gonna be 10% or 3%.

40% hybrid is also kind of interesting.

Well, but already, I'm actually surprised

it's only 40% hybrid because it seems to me

that almost all the new Ferraris that launch are hybrids.

The 12-cylindri isn't, but the 296 is.

It's a poor thing.

But the pro-sum way is not.

It's an EV 12.

Yeah, but it's coming.

It is widely assumed that a hybrid V8.

But the Amalfi isn't.

I mean, don't forget, the 296 and the SF90

really were the first two.

I know, but we're talking about within the next five years.

And my presumption is that the Amalfi and the Roma

will be redesigned with an electric model.

Maybe that's what we're hit on.

It's like these next models are just gonna be engine changes.

They're just gonna change them to smaller hybrids.

Maybe that's what it is.

That's the kind of thing that automakers,

when they say stuff like that, 30 new models,

it's like the Defender 110 Trek Edition.

Oh, there's one new model.

But one interesting question here is,

for the last decade,

Ferrari has been able to sell every car they built.

So they- More or less.

Until the SF90.

They're still able to sell them.

Not really.

Really.

There are a lot that we're sitting in here.

But yes, they didn't cut production

as a result of demand.

They produced the cars, the normal cars they want to sell.

So they have more control than most other automakers

on what their actual product mix is.

Because they do have people that will buy

whatever car they build.

And so maybe we'll see 40, 40, 20.

40%, 90, 40%.

Maybe.

But the SF90 though, the reason that we highlight SF90

is because it shows they don't have perfect control.

It's not like the Birkins.

They can't just, whatever they make is sold.

There's, the buyers turn out to be

maybe a little more discerning than Ferrari had hoped.

And I have a suspicion that the reason you see

such a huge decline here is because the market

has been riding the wave of them

being able to do whatever they want.

And if there's even a little bit of chink in the armor,

that scares investors.

Because there's just been this a certainty

since Ferrari became a public coming out 10 years ago

that they could just kind of print money.

Race.

Race, baby.

What's our next news story?

Oh, yeah.

So this is the Mercedes Vision Ionic concept.

This is an EV car that Mercedes-Benz plans to make.

And they've kind of, as we've been talking about

in the office, kind of seem to have taken

the Jaguar approach to its design.

However, Mercedes specifically says

that it pairs 1930 style with future tech.

Now, I don't know if you're familiar with history.

But you know how Mercedes says they wanted to be the bad guy?

I don't think picking from the 1930s

is the best of the bad guy they should be picking.

You know what, Kenan?

You're not gonna have to worry about it

because the only thing I can promise you

about this vehicle is that it will not,

under any circumstances, in any way,

go into production even slightly resembling what this is.

Yeah, that's true.

This is gonna be yet another incredibly cool concept car

that everybody agrees is incredibly cool.

Everybody fawns all over, everybody obsesses all over.

And then in the end, when it comes out,

it is a trim package on the C-Class coupe.

Do we think it's incredibly cool?

It's still down.

Yes, have you seen the rear?

The rear looks like a 300 SL going.

They said they took,

well, a lot of the design comes from the 540K and the SSK.

And the rear, they took from the 300 SL.

And the interior is kind of odd looking too.

It actually looks very old.

I think this thing is cool as hell.

It's on 30s, it's on 30s or 34s.

It's a bit munched.

But the whole car is only about 44 inches high.

Now, the other thing that they wanted to point out

is that this car uses wafer thin solar panels

because they're hoping to increase the EV range using that.

Now, of course, that's nothing new.

No, Tara does it too.

I don't know.

It is really cool, but like you said,

I assure you it's not gonna look like this.

No, it will not.

And when we ever come out, remember the Accelero?

Of course.

Pull up the Accelero.

Show the audience the Accelero for God,

do you don't remember it, do you?

Of course I do.

You do not.

I also, not only that, I can spell it.

Live lock Accelero, yeah.

Well, that's a poor image of it.

Pull back out.

Let's see, this one's better.

Oh, that one.

But those are the bad wheels.

You want the, there you go.

Good wheels.

When people ask me what car would come and fire your dad

more than any other car.

Those became the base R230 wheels.

Yeah, that's right.

And they were the SLR concept car wheels

on the original SLR concept.

I forgot about that.

And they were the Accelero wheels,

and it never went into production.

It's got Accelero mirrors.

But, do you know what happened to this car?

It eventually got out and someone owns it.

Really?

A person, a human.

Not you.

Which wheels do you think they have on it?

Not even me, these.

Or maybe they were the 57S wheels that eventually got out.

I don't remember, and it doesn't matter.

The point is, this is a very cool concept car

from Mercedes, they're not gonna build it.

I will say, it is a little Jaguar-esque.

We all made fun of Jaguar a year ago when they did this.

And here's Mercedes-Benz doing Jaguar, just better.

Long hood, low body, that's it.

Do you agree though that we take Mercedes more seriously?

Oh yeah.

So like this came out and it was pink.

Like the only real difference is it was Jaguar

and it was pink.

Well, they also look different.

But all thought it was stupid.

And then Mercedes comes out with this

and it's not Jaguar and it's not pink.

And we're like, ooh, it's pretty scary.

I mean, it's got the Mercedes three point thing

and the headlights were just a bit much,

but I think it looks cool.

And I hope that they will build it, but they won't.

Next news story, please.

Are you aware of this?

Toyota did a big press conference, I don't know.

A week ago.

The Tokyo Mobility Conference, whatever it's called.

But Toyota specifically had this giant reveal

and everybody thought they were gonna reveal

their new supercar, which presumably will be

as overrated as the LFA.

And instead they revealed.

They hope it will be.

Instead they revealed the replacement to the Lexus LS.

You say, mm-hmm, you already knew?

This is called the LS concept.

Yeah, yeah, no, I know.

It's a six wheeled minivan.

Yep.

That was the stupidest thing they showed,

but they also showed some other stuff.

Go to the next two.

This is a concept of the new Corolla,

which I think looks awesome.

It looks great.

The other vehicle, it looks that cool.

We know it ain't going into production.

We're going with awesome, interesting.

You don't like how this looks?

No.

It's like a Cadillac Sienna.

It is like a Cadillac Sienna, yeah.

It's kind of a Lincoln Sentinel.

Pull up the Lincoln Sentinel.

No, no, the Cadillac Sienna makes them with a Model Y.

We all agree.

No, it's a Sienna and a Lincoln Sentinel.

You know what the Lincoln Sentinel is?

I don't know the Lincoln Sentinel.

This is your problem.

You don't have enough real, deep, deep automotive.

Yeah, no, I'm going to stick with what I said.

That's fine.

There is a lot of Lincoln Sentinel on this thing.

Wait, there's legitimately a Toyota product.

What Toyota product is that reminding me of?

The current Corolla.

No, there's something that had that square tail,

I'll think about it.

There is a little Model Y to it,

but either way, that's a Corolla concept.

We don't know if that'll actually come out

in production, but one of the things we do know

is if they're showing it as a concept car,

it won't be a real car.

Seldom is.

It will end up being watered down.

So if you hate this, great.

Except for the Carrera GT, which was even more powerful.

Well, Porsche concept cars are always,

they don't know how to do a concept.

They've never, the Germans don't know

how to be imaginative.

They're like a concept car.

We'll make it slightly different

from what we know the real car will be like.

German.

That's true.

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Is that what I'm getting?

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Yeah, all right.

So you're familiar with Sentry.

Sentry.

They make V12 and V8-powered Rolls Royce of Japan.

Yeah, right.

We sell a bunch of them with V12s.

They're wonderful, but there's new ones too.

Part of this announcement has Toyota creating

a sub brand for Sentry, just like they did for Scion

or Lexus years and years ago.

And it will be positioned above Lexus

as their luxury, luxury trim.

Ultra luxury.

Or brand, rather, not trim.

It's also implied that it might leave Japan

for the first time.

No Sentry model has been sold outside of Japan.

This might be the first time that that actually-

So we might have an LX700H Sentry.

It would be the Sentry, whatever they call it.

Maybe.

No, no, they have shown diagrams

of how they're positioned in their brands.

But my back is a Sentry Lexus.

Denali is a sub brand.

I have to.

We'll see.

I think it would be separate.

It'd be very exciting to have another-

There's no way they're gonna launch a dealer network

with super luxury cars.

I promise you.

Put it as part of the Lexus, their network.

Yeah, admittedly.

But you renamed the cars, at least.

Ah, I bet they won't.

Also, do you know what the Sentry SUV looks like?

Yeah, it looks cool.

Yeah, maybe it'll come.

Flippo dreams that maybe

we'll get a really nice Toyota.

That's what Flippo wants.

Go back a photo.

You can't tell me this doesn't look like

a first-gen Mirai, the rear.

Like that kind of like flat tail.

It looks like a Lincoln Sentinel.

Keep going, it's fine.

It looks like a Lincoln.

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The Sentry thing is, I guess, interesting,

depending on how they launch it.

Sentry has zero name recognition outside of Japan, zero.

But Lexus has zero name recognition when it launched,

and well, look at it now.

Yeah, but that required an unbelievable investment,

and it took forever.

And Scion, they did the same thing, and it failed.

So they did it.

Yeah, is it around?

They could have.

They killed it.

Yeah, because it failed.

It was a different era.

They had to kill some brands.

Failure back then is different from failure today.

Could have succeeded.

So could have sobbed.

So I thought this was karma on the road.

Yes, could have.

Could have.

It'll be tough.

Old fuel bill, I'm gonna keep going.

I think the concept of a Sentry sub-brand

is laughable outside Japan.

My guess is if they actually did it,

they would use it as a branding thing

like Maibaka's Top 10 versions of Lexus.

I agree with that.

Either way, we're not getting a six-wheel Lexus Minivan.

Almost certainly not, yeah.

Go agree on that.

That I don't think is coming.

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All right, give us the next new story.

The next one's a doozy.

Okay, the new Honda Prelude.

You know, I've been making fun of Honda on this podcast,

and I feel bad about it,

because they make some damn good cars.

I had a Honda Civic Hatchback rental car

the entire, all last week, and it was phenomenal.

Really? Yeah, it was really good.

I have to say, it was good.

We went for a drive-in, and it was nice.

Who'd you run it from?

One of the rental car companies.

You know, Honda doesn't sell to the rental car companies.

Incredibly, this car had 45,000 miles.

It was the best option at the lot,

and had aftermarket tint.

Yeah, you know what, during COVID,

they started buying from auctions,

and they've never seen this car.

That must have been why what happened.

Okay. But I was supportive.

I knew Honda Prelude.

I've made fun of Honda on this podcast,

because Honda is so careful.

We'll do an SUV, but we're not gonna do it real,

and we're gonna make the passport.

They're so cautious.

They won't just go and actually do stuff.

They kind of will take a wait-and-see approach.

That's why we got the passport

and the Acura SLX in the 90s,

because they were like,

we're gonna do an SUV at some point, but no.

But then they came out and they crushed it

with a pilot and an MDX.

But it took them forever.

It took them.

I mean, the pilot came out in 03,

the Explorer came out in 91.

So for 13 years, they took a wait-and-see,

and then finally.

And they did something with the Zuzu,

which was a mistake.

Which was a mistake in itself.

Anyway, the Prelude's here,

and it looks so cool, but in true Honda fashion,

instead of giving us a Scion FRS competitor,

rear-wheel drive and fun,

front-wheel drive, automatic hybrid,

and the early reports out of Japan are,

the car has been tremendously popular in Japan,

primarily with old people, 70 plus.

This was reported in the news,

and I assume that Honda in Japan was like,

oh, it's been popular.

I don't think that the Honda US probably loves the fact

that the headline is, old people love the Prelude.

No, no.

But of course, old people love it,

because it's an automatic front-wheel drive slow car.

And it allows them to be sporty

without making any commitments

that are required of an actual sporty vehicle.

And it's just another example of Honda being too cautious.

Yep.

Oh yeah, you agree.

Fully.

You think they should have gone rear-wheel drive manual?

They should have at least led with sporty,

in a way they didn't.

They could have put the Civic Si.

They haven't fully announced powertrains, but...

It's the Civic Hybrid powertrain.

Which is a good powertrain,

but it does have more torque than the Civic Si,

but they could have led with something sportier,

something a little bit more engaging

than the car old people in Japan are choosing.

Old people in Japan are choosing it.

It's a 200 horsepower four-cylinder hybrid

from the Civic Hybrid.

It's an automatic only.

Good.

Do you want to take a guess?

Given that information,

I'm going to point it over to you.

200 horsepower front-wheel drive hybrid four-cylinder,

automatic only, based on the Civic.

Take a guess what the base price

is probably going to be around.

I feel like it should...

I feel like it's going to be like 35,

something else is what it should be,

but I bet it's going to be a lot more than that.

42 is the current thought.

They said between the Civic Sport Touring Hybrid,

that's the best of the Civic hybrids,

and the Civic Type R, which is somewhere between 35 and 47.

By a Civic hatchback.

Yeah, 40, 42 somewhere around there.

By a Civic hatchback.

Yeah, which people will.

And this, you know what the sad part is?

Honda's going to use this as an example of,

well, we tried to do what the enthusiast wanted,

and it didn't work.

And it's like,

it's like the new Integra.

Well, we tried to do what enthusiast wanted, did ya?

There's also that new other Acura, whatever,

or the Honda, like a small SUV thing

that Acura has revealed.

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

Not the ADX, the other one.

The ADX.

No, the other one.

There's a Honda one that's also named after some fam,

doesn't matter.

I'll get there.

I'll get there for something.

I'll get there.

I'll get there, I'll get there.

I'll get there.

My brain isn't working, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

Absolutely nuts, dude.

I really can see it, we're not doing the brain here.

I am sad that the Prelude is not more,

and I only am covering this new story about the old people

because I think it really crystallizes Honda's problem,

which is that they are too cautious,

and so they appeal to people.

It's just not, the point of a car like this,

Toyota's been doing it now for two generations of the FRS.

The Mazda Miata's been going on for 30 plus years,

and they're sitting here, oh, we'll do front wheel drive,

and we'll do a little hybrid automatic,

and they've missed the point completely

of what is propelling those cars with enthusiasts

and with sales in general.

And I guarantee you, like so many other special Hondas,

this is one generation and done.

All right, pull up that Acura RSX,

that's what I thought it was for.

Oh, the new RSX, isn't that a concept though?

Or are they doing it?

Yeah, but they're doing it.

Oh, the Acura RS.

But the new one.

No, you've got to type it new.

It's a concept for now, I think.

Yeah, but it's pretty, we saw it at the quail.

We can only hope.

It was not really a concept.

Of course, what will end up coming out,

it looks like a fast 28-inch wheel performance.

It will end up being a front wheel drive,

yeah, EV with a range of 161 miles.

I will say, a friend of mine who has owned two HRVs,

texted me when that came out and was like,

that's so exciting.

Great, well, they can keep selling to people

in their own ecosystem.

The problem is that group will not continue

to get larger if they do that.

Next news story, please, please.

Oh, the Chevy Bolt.

Is this a new news story?

This is the most interesting news story

in the entire thing.

Sub dub dub there.

The Chevy Bolt EUV, which that is.

The Chevy Bolt, that's the EUV.

The Bolt went away four, five years ago

and we were done and nobody cared.

Lighting on fire.

There was that.

That happens.

They brought it back as of this week

with the same body style.

It took like a four-year hiatus

and then they were like, all right, let's go.

Same batter, same like specs.

I presume so.

Obviously I haven't looked in this car.

Care, but the important part of the news story is the reason,

you know, when they canceled it

it was the second best-selling EV on the market

after the Model 3 and the reason they've returned it

is because the tax credit has gone away

and the concept of a cheap EV has changed

and suddenly Bolt-E over here,

which was always a cheap EV,

suddenly becomes a lot more appealing.

I will say, seems like just about the same specs.

Yeah.

Well, it was appealing before,

but now it's especially appealing

because this car is no longer competing against cars

that have the tax credit.

It suddenly is like a pretty desirable vehicle

if what you wanted was just a cheap EV.

And it was a good vehicle.

Also, it now has a fast charging.

Not interested, but I suspect it won't have one.

Do you remember the Spark EV?

Of course.

I also think often by the first-gen leaf,

the second-gen leaf.

It is just interesting to see this is how Chevy

has already started to respond to the removal

of the tax credit.

We'll see what other automakers do.

So what is worth?

They have the two most competitive,

two of the most competitive, small SUV EVs.

General Motors?

Yeah, the Equinox and the Blazer

are both legitimately competitive products.

What about the Opel Ampira?

Can you pull up an Opel Ampira?

Sure, the Chevy Volt existed in Europe as the Ampira.

The Ampira.

Like, yeah, if you wanna pick up,

if you wanna call on any other cars

that are very difficult to install,

please let me know.

Just put on this one.

The word amp is in it.

Pull that up, pull that up.

If I had a Volt, a first-gen Volt, and I don't,

but I have a friend who does, I would re-body it.

I'm with you.

Totally okay.

It's like to hold in Monero, people.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

With the GTOs.

Like let's, why isn't anybody doing this?

This is a really cool re-body you can pull off.

To be clear, it looks worse.

Oh yeah, absolutely looks worse.

Okay, great, as long as we're online.

Oh yeah, but that's not the point.

We wanna seem Euro and cool.

Although I've never seen one of these in Europe.

I've seen a bunch in the US.

One time, I was driving past the Port of Baltimore,

and there were hundreds of them.

Wow.

Okay, and Pyrrhus?

And Pyrrhus.

Because we don't talk enough about

the interior of the first-gen Volt.

It was so interesting and good.

Yep, I'm not gonna make any Google it,

although I want to.

It was really good.

That white, like, panel, it was cool.

It was like blue on it.

It was Chevy's first attempt at doing something good.

They had been a company about that time for about 100 years,

and that was, they were like,

all right, we're gonna do this.

Right, Corvette, not good.

No, it was the GMT-800 Quadro Steers,

and that it's-

It was, yep, that's right.

The Volt, right.

That's right.

No, and the C2, Larry Shinoda.

Okay, next news story, are there more?

Oh god.

Oh well, Audi.

Audi has for a long time been kind of hinting at the fact

they might come out with an off-roader.

Yeah.

Like something to compete with the G-Wagen.

Yeah.

Somebody senior at Audi the past week

has in a couple of interviews said basically,

stay tuned.

We haven't forgotten about this.

So we may see an off-roader Audi.

Audi is-

This is just a rendering.

This is a rendering.

This is not anything that's gonna happen,

but it's a rendering that someone made.

Volkswagen, of course, has a subsidiary that's called Scout

that's bringing back the range-extended EV SUV thing.

They may work together.

We don't really know.

But also, Audi is finally building a Q9,

or about to reveal a Q9,

which will be finally, for the first time,

their X7 GLS navigator, et cetera, competitor.

I'm actually a little sad about this

because Audi has done this amazing job.

Of?

Of their SUVs.

They have pulled off a coup

that no one has ever really talked about,

but has been like the most beautiful auto industry thing

in the last decade.

Audi decided when they came out with their luxury SUVs

to put, instead of going small, mid-sized, large,

to make two and position it between small and mid-sized

and between mid-sized and large.

And so the Q5 was always a little bigger than an X3.

It was always like, but they priced it like an X3.

And the Q7 was always a little bigger than an X5,

or any of the others, the GLE, whatever,

but they priced it like a GLE,

and it was this brilliant decision.

They basically were like,

we're gonna give you GLS interior room,

but at a GLE price with the Q7,

or we're gonna give you GLE interior room,

but at a GLC price with the Q5.

It was so beautiful.

And now they're conceding and doing the same thing.

They need to.

It's an attractive market.

The Q7, by the way, is in its second generation,

but it's been in its second generation since 2013.

What is the story with that?

It's insane, because it's a good vehicle.

The Q7 is, everybody wants that.

It's like hot, it looks cool,

Audi's a hot brand, they haven't updated it in forever,

why not? 2013 is legitimately

when I think that generation came out.

No, no, no.

It's 2017.

2017, 2017.

It has that updated, like edgy style.

2017 feels right.

It is weird that a vehicle that is so important,

it has eight, nine years ago at this point.

It's time, we're ready.

It's time, but they said there'll be a Q9,

which will be larger.

The Q9 will be larger,

so maybe they will finally fit

into the actual correct segments.

The G-Wagon thing would be cool as hell.

Are we sad that the only one they're missing is Q1?

No.

There is a Q1.

There's a Q2 overseas.

There's a Q2 or Q3?

Yeah, the Q4.

Q2 is as little as it gets.

Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8.

We fed for Q9 and then Q10.

So, it will be QX.

Oh, QX.

This would be interesting.

If they do, you glossed over this,

but the scout thing is important to think about.

Yeah.

Volkswagen has this partnership with Scout

who's gonna make this electric offer at SCV.

If they do this, I guarantee it'll be

some form of scout situation, which is a shame,

because we like a big V8 in our G-Wagon.

Hell yeah.

Sitting right over here.

Sitting right over there, looking right at it.

Yeah.

Does Audi have a V8 product?

Yeah, they do.

They got the four liter turbo V8.

Oh, you're right.

That's a great motor.

Yeah.

And we could put it in the Audi G-Wagon.

And by the way, there's an SQ9 that has been

spotted testing, which we think has that V8.

You know what would be great?

QG.

You know what would be great?

They call it the H-Wagon.

The Q-Wagon.

That's what they'll call it.

All right.

Next story.

Kulanda Vagon.

There are no more news stories,

but we have to move into the talk car segment.

The talk car segment is brought to you

by Kenan's girlfriend, Emily, and her M3 CRT.

We got an Emily question coming up, so prepare yourself.

Wonderful.

Kenan's girlfriend, Emily.

Okay, the talk car segment.

I want to talk about cars today.

I would like to, whoa.

That's a car.

And I want to talk about the Arena Red 993 Turbo.

Now, in the last three or four podcasts,

I have stated that after two and a half years

of not buying a fun car,

I am ready to buy another fun car.

Finally.

And what I want is an Arena Red 993 Turbo.

I want a U.S. Arena Red 993 Turbo

with the big old ride height.

And something that's happened here.

That's not U.S.

This is a U.S. car.

Yeah, the ride height.

Is it high enough?

And something that's happened here

is that people have started to reach out.

Now, folks, I appreciate the reach outs.

I really do.

It's lovely.

However, I've been very clear

that I want an Arena Red U.S.

Now, you've heard me say it how many times.

Aha, so many times.

I was pretty upset we're talking about it again.

Any time it's been mentioned, that's what I'm talking about.

A dozen people have reached out

with completely different things.

A blue one, a Euro, a black one.

People have been getting at me in every way they can.

I heard you wanted a 993 Turbo.

Hey, I saw the pod.

Is this interesting to you?

No.

But thank you for telling it.

No, I don't even thank them.

There's almost a condescension to it.

Like, Doug, I know I can talk you into this.

This isn't what you want, but I can talk you into it.

F off!

I want an Arena Red 993 Twin Turbo USA car,

like this one, except the USA car.

I get a lot of our general life emails

where the email is publicly available.

My favorite type is the one that's like,

hey, I know a buddy who has friends with a dealer

whose buddy has an uncle with a 993,

but I bet I could connect you to the buddy's uncle.

It turns out to be a coupe, a base model cab would tip,

but it is Arena Red.

Turns out it was a 964, the whole time.

And also, that uncle died and now the car's gone.

It's so many layers away.

Arena Red 993 Twin Turbo, folks,

I do not want to mince words.

I don't know what that means.

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All right, now back to this car pod.

The most important thing that happened this week

is that Filippo and Kenan went to road Atlanta.

Tell us what happened.

It was delightful.

We were there for instance, Petit Le Monde,

Michelin Raceway, we're at Atlanta.

You gotta use the full name.

And we had like, are we contractually obligate?

Okay, this is fun.

Trademark.

You won't let me talk about first brand,

so I gotta talk about Michelin this way.

Oh, wow.

Thank you.

We had the longest ever cars and coffee.

We had 50 plus cars in our little car area

that were there from eight a.m.

till the rest ended at 10,

well, from eight a.m. to 10 p.m.

was a mighty long cars and coffee.

You think you have like two decker?

We legitimately do think we do.

I can't believe I wasn't there for this.

The longest ever cars and coffee.

I don't know if you were to actually set world records as...

Yeah, you gotta pay.

You gotta pay, you gotta have people out there,

you gotta, there's like a lot of work to do that.

We didn't wanna do that,

but we do think it was probably the longest.

You had a 14 hour cars and coffee.

You stayed there this whole time.

I was, Kenan and I were both there before 6 a.m.

But of course it's amazing,

because normally for the cars and coffee,

we go to every single thing.

I leave by 10 minutes.

I'm there for an hour, I leave.

This time of the entire time.

Can I ask you a couple of questions?

You may.

Did you wear your giraffe shirt?

I wore my giraffe shirt the day before the cars and coffee.

I was at the racetrack.

I was talking to people,

I was watching racing, it was delightful,

but I wore it that day.

Who won the race?

It was Cadillac.

Cadillac won the race.

I'm very happy about that,

but that wasn't the big talking point.

The big talking point was that Aston Martin came second

with an NA V12 nonhybrid.

The Valkyrie came second, which was amazing.

That's the first podium of the year for them.

And to do it in 2025 to hear an NA V12 car scream.

One minute, wait a second.

No, no, no, no.

Amazing.

Do it again.

I want to hear it again.

Wow.

The Cadillac was like...

It was like Iron Thunder.

What's the motor of the Cadillac?

It's the V8.

Black Queen?

Yeah.

Was it just a lightly modded 65V Black Queen?

No.

It was actually.

Typically this is the prototype.

Yeah, it's the prototype, that's what they look crazy.

I do want to say,

we talked to a ton of really cool people

that came from a way.

Okay, that was gonna be the last question.

What was the coolest car?

Car or race car?

At our cars and car there was a Mustang GTD

for quite a while, which was very cool.

Which everybody was like.

A really cool R34 GTR.

Ed Bullion's Veyron.

Ed Bullion Veyron, I kind of forgot about that.

Ed Bullion was there with the Veyron.

He looked right past it.

A Zimmer.

Such an R5 Turbo.

Yes, that was also cool.

Renault R5 Turbo.

A really nice 996 GT2 from a guy that...

GT3?

GT3, sorry.

The guy that drove it from Austin.

Oh, wow.

Was not looking forward to the drive home to Austin.

Wow.

But people came from all over.

There was a family that came from Maine.

A father and a son that drove down from Maine

to meet with Kenan and I.

Yep, it was a lot of really cool.

What did those folks say to you?

Like, I came from Maine.

Usually they say,

I think that your opinions are the best opinions possible.

That sounds like what they're doing.

I heard a lot of conversations.

No one said that.

But mostly what people say to him is,

are you Nick?

It's what most people say to you.

People think that I'm Nick.

And I don't understand how this has happened.

But a lot of people ask me about my multiple

and about my mercy.

And maybe they say,

oh, the Italian cars are owned by the Italian guy.

And no, I don't buy a real car.

It's owned by the French guy.

It's owned by Nick Gershon.

So you went there and you were there.

It's delightful.

Do you feel a sense of when someone says,

I drove all the way from Maine to see you?

Do you feel like you got some obligation to that?

Like you have to tell them, you have to be cool.

Yeah, and they learn quickly that.

Obviously I'm not.

Is that a problem for you?

No, I think they know what they're getting.

Kenan, what was your best encounter?

Well, I got to meet,

I met a lot of wonderful people,

but without question, my favorite one I met

was a dog named Teddy, a golden retriever named Teddy,

who I said hello to him.

He came over and he sat on my foot

and then he laid down and just talked while our owner,

he talked to, we talked about cars.

They were from Florida, I believe.

A husband and wife came up and...

Who were they driving?

I can't remember because I was too distracted by Teddy,

to be totally honest.

They were so nice and Teddy is a very good boy.

Can I say what I think my actual favorite car was?

Somebody came in a Toyota Sports 800.

Which was their first sports car.

The first Toyota sports car ever made, not the little first,

but the model was the first one.

I know the car.

And that was so cool.

And I parked it, I had to park in the middle

between rows of cars, because it was tiny.

Oh, you got to choose where cars were.

No, no, no, no, no.

Ryan was for us, he chose where we came in.

Because he's much more artistic and good at this than I am.

But I chose that one.

Oh, how sweet.

That was nice.

My favorite car that showed up other than Ed's,

because the Veyron's the Veyron,

there's a built E46 M3 sedan, not a wagon.

Somebody built the sedan.

They took a ZHP and did the whole thing.

And again, I'm not a huge fan of modified cars,

but it had the S54 and had a manifold stuff.

But it was also turbocharged and turbo was hidden underneath,

and the guy had it to stock exhaust, so it was quiet.

Because he wanted it to be silent and so-dude.

It was really well-built.

And it was red.

What wheels?

The competition wheels, the M3 comp wheels.

You know, I like the base wheel and the E46 M3.

And the ZHP wheels, good.

Yeah, but if you want to-

If you want to do it right, yeah.

But nonetheless, I mean, it looked amazing.

But all the cars that showed up were really great.

And people were around a long time.

It wasn't just us that were there for 10 hours or whatever.

It was amazing.

And it was just so nice to, like,

it's always fun every single time to meet with people to chat,

to learn about their Vora that they drove there from Indiana.

Yep.

To, like, learn about them and be able to connect with them,

and also to watch a lot of racing.

Well, and I want to say I'm very grateful to everybody

who came out and said hello and talked to us.

We're very humbled by this every single time it happens.

But it's just really fun.

All we want to do is talk about cars.

So I'm different from one another.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But we really just want to talk about cars.

So I'm very grateful.

I'm very sad that I couldn't have been there.

I really hope I am to go next year.

Indiana's not far from Atlanta.

No, I know.

It's on about 45 minutes.

Oh, 45 minutes.

You drive through Kentucky and Tennessee right there.

It was very amusing to talk to people that were from Atlanta

and people that drove in from somewhere else

that you think is far.

Right.

And actually took them the same amount of time.

Yeah.

I drove from downtown Atlanta to the racetrack,

Atlanta's far from the track.

There's two more talk cars, things we absolutely have to cover.

One is that I want to talk about the Cannonball Hotel.

Oh, sure.

This week.

So they're a good pool.

Portofino.

This week I attended a dinner at the Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach.

Oh, wow.

And this is not relevant to you at all.

It doesn't matter to your life, except that this particular,

there you go, this particular hotel,

that's the thing that's out front.

This particular hotel happens to be the finish line

of the Cannonball Race.

So all those guys that drive cross country and set the record,

Ed Bolian and Alex Roy and all those guys,

the starting point is a random parking garage

in the Lower East Side of Manhattan called,

used to be called the Redball Garage, might still be.

It is still.

And the finish line is this hotel,

the Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach.

And I just happen to have a dinner there.

The organizer of the dinner did not realize

the significance of the hotel, which is obvious.

So I'm driving up to the hotel

and it hits me that what I really need to do

is to take a picture at the finish line

and send it to Ed Bolian.

That's brilliant.

And say to Ed, I just did it in 24 flat.

The proof's coming out tomorrow.

And I was like, this is going to be a great trick.

On his birthday, Noleth.

Was it his birthday?

His birthday was like Kolei's birthday.

And so I did that.

And I don't know if he bought it,

but then I told him it was not true.

But I pulled up at the hotel,

surprised to see this large commemorative marker

to this thing.

And as I'm taking a picture of myself

and of the car that I drove up there with me,

a guy walks up and two guys and they go,

did you just finish?

And I was like, no.

And they were like, we did.

And they had done it in a defender.

One of them had done it.

They had actually, they had met there

and become friends with her.

But one of them had done it in a defender

in 36 hours, a new defender.

And with 36, that's pretty quick.

The record is like 25, but 36 is still,

if you're not, if you're not Ed Bolian,

like going hard with a fuel tank in the car,

years worth of prep, 36 is pretty, pretty legit

to drive from New York city to Los Angeles.

And it got me wondering,

like I was just taking a picture out front.

How often are people showing up at this hotel?

And this is like a reason that they're there.

Like I just finished, you know?

And it just so happened that I was there

this weekend in October.

This is like the weekend.

Typically people have done this.

There's like this feeling that October is the right time.

People are back in school.

The road construction is over.

Air is cooler.

There's not too many people in the road.

There's like that's feeling about October specifically.

And almost all of the records have been set in October.

And so I kind of wondered

if there would be other people there who had done it.

And it turned out there were.

Wow. They put you in your place.

They did.

That's really cool.

What's your average speed at 36 hours?

I don't know. It's a lot.

High. It's high.

It's in the 90s.

Impressive.

I don't think it's in the 90s, but it's high.

I think it is.

Because like Alex did 3104 and his average speed,

I think was 89 or it was 90,

something like that, 91.

I can't remember exactly.

Well, okay.

Let's figure it out.

Actually, the book is right back there.

I can probably go check if you want me to.

It's 2,800 miles.

So in 36 hours, your average speed is 78 miles an hour.

That's impressive though.

It is.

I will say to Alex,

they have an interesting relationship with Alex.

It is interesting to me.

Love them.

That he did the 3104 and that was like his big claim to fame.

Ed beat him by five hours.

And this dude, who is just a guy with a defender,

only lost to him by five hours.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

I was in the five runs.

He like had all these people with him.

He did all the surveillance equipment.

I'm like, this dude got in a defender.

Yeah. But at the time, Waze didn't exist.

I mean, it was 2006, I think when Alex did it.

I mean, it like, the like.

So you think that Defender Man only was so close because of Waze.

Also like fuel efficiency has changed with more modern cars.

Oh, that's interesting.

You think that the new Defender is more efficient

than Alex's ether in M5?

Yeah.

I mean, factually.

My car is not particularly fuel efficient.

Well, let's see.

20 new Defender fuel economy is 1419.

What is yours?

Don't forget Defender.

You can put a gigantic fuel cell in it.

Well, the thing, the dude was a guy.

He was a guy.

I don't know.

Did you look inside the Defender?

Dude, he didn't have a fuel cell in his car.

How do you know?

Well, first off, no one who puts fuel cells in

does it in cars with open interiors.

But also, he was a guy.

He wasn't like, he told me this was like on a whammy,

just like did it.

He wasn't like.

Don't take anything away from Alex if it was achievement.

I will in fact take something away from Alex achievement.

That Ed Bullion did it five hours faster in a used car.

He bought it at a desa auction in Mannheim.

We're going to start a feud with the Atana cast people.

They're going to make us talk.

No, I saw.

I liked Alex.

The other thing to discuss, the other thing to discuss,

in addition to my cannonball run attempt,

is that Kenan has posted in this thing.

Did you see what he wrote?

I did.

He said that he is actively looking for cars.

Is it a Viper?

Is it a hit us?

I have.

I have been looking for cars.

One that would have pulled it locally.

But SL55 is a car that was kind of.

Why are we thinking SL55?

He and I were talking about it on live now

on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel.

And they're such a value.

And they're just around.

And the M113K is a wonderfully reliable engine.

It's a convertible.

Yes, it's an automatic.

But a friend Nick happens to be getting

another supercharged Mercedes convertible.

Oh my God, that's not confirmed.

No, he's only mentioned it a couple of times on the podcast.

And his own videos.

And his own videos on Instagram.

And that to anybody who asks.

To anybody who doesn't ask.

He's still in a party.

And so I kind of like got me thinking about that.

So I've kind of been looking for cars

like in and around the $20,000 range.

But we keep talking about the third gen Viper.

And it's like, maybe I just do it like.

That would be cool.

Third gen.

May I make a suggestion?

We have a third gen Viper.

But I have reached out to sellers and stuff

like and I've talked to people.

We're like, we're fun.

We're like, I'm ready.

But when you, this is not news to me.

We've talked about this.

But you also told me that you reached out to somebody

that was selling it.

And you set up a meeting for two weeks from that point.

Well, you're never going to get a car.

It wasn't two weeks.

It was three days later.

But we'll move on.

Fully more.

Can I make a suggestion?

You're wrong.

Today I was driving into the office in my Lamborghini.

I haven't considered a Cuntosh.

There was a fellow at the fuel station there

who was in an SL65.

Not a 55, but a 65.

That's a twin turbo victory 12.

Victory 12.

That is what we call it in the industry.

Let me tell you something.

If you're in an SL65, that's what you call it.

Click on that one.

This one?

We have the red interior.

This is the coolest damn car in the world.

You don't want one of these?

I do.

I'm just concerned about the maintenance cost,

even short term, having that V12 in your life.

What if I offered to give you something

towards the maintenance cost?

What would you give me?

It would be a 990 twin turbo scale model.

I do want that.

I do want this car.

It's about double what I was looking to spend there.

You had to spend about $40 to get an OK one.

And they're just hard to...

They didn't make many, so they're a little bit hard to find.

But do you agree that it's double the cool?

To me, yes.

It's a V12.

The market agrees too.

You want to go hard?

Yeah.

That little scoopy scoop.

I do want that car.

That little scoop to the wheels.

I saw this thing today when I was driving it.

I was like, this is unbelievable.

How?

I wondered about my uncle's because he has one and it's perfect.

But maybe perfect isn't exactly...

No, that's the thing.

He won't get rid of it.

He has all these Ferraris and he's got that.

And he just...

What about his favorite nephew?

He likes it too much.

Just consider it.

I'll think more on that.

What else are we looking at?

Third-gen Vipers.

Third-gen Vipers, I started looking at...

There's some 987 Caymans I had looked at.

Do love it.

I've been looking around.

Yeah, it's a great car.

But I worry about that.

To get that, then when I get the Boxer Spider,

it won't feel as like...

I don't know.

I think I just want to save that for the Boxer Spider.

Also not a convertible.

I understand.

But my point is the driving experience is not that different.

And so I want to like...

Yeah.

I don't know if I want to save it.

But saving it for XYZ is kind of what's put you in this position today

where you haven't had a lot of special cars.

I know.

I think the point is I want to get something.

I won't...

Love it.

The Caymans is a bad example.

But I want a convertible ultimately.

This is so cool.

And the press let's start and hear that sound.

What if I could start a manual Italian convertible today?

Does it have trim falling off?

Does it have an armrest?

Yeah.

The metal piece that holds the armrest is still there.

What is the status of this 500 Abarth?

Have you sold this car yet?

Well, no.

Because we're going to be using it in some soon-to-be-announced videos.

You've got to get rid of this thing.

I know.

Our producer said I couldn't.

I tried.

Hey, Kenan.

I've got three keys.

That's probably two more than you need.

I've used this key a couple of times.

But so we're looking and we're serious.

So what's the plan?

You're going to buy it.

You're going to drive around a little.

When do you think you'd drive an SL55 and not your M5?

You walk out to the garage.

You see an SL55 sitting there.

You see your M5.

It's just like it would be something I would just go back

and forth between.

Like I don't think it's like a...

I mean, I don't think there's any situation

where I drive one or the other necessarily.

It's just like I'd be fun to still have something cruise

to a cart of coffee.

I want something ideally that's not going to cost me a ton

in maintenance.

The thing I'm going to have to temper

is my constant desire to perfect,

which is going to be really, really hard.

Are you not concerned about the, you know,

the car, the powertrain is reliable,

but are you not concerned about the power top

or the active body control?

That stuff is a concern, yes.

Finding one with the top that functions

is really important.

Yeah, I am a little bit concerned about that.

Or you know what you could do?

Get an SL65 Black Series.

Oh, hard top already.

You don't have to worry about any of that.

I consider the CL65 as well.

Those are cool, but those are big money.

Yeah, and I feel like...

Oh, CL65s have like some real interest in the market.

Pull up.

We got any sales?

Yeah.

I think we...

I'm not sure.

We've sold some.

I guess it's not that much.

30 grand.

That's actually less, in most cases.

By this one.

Well, you missed it by, you know...

52,000 miles.

By this one.

Many months.

It was August.

No, it was two months ago.

And it was an error though.

Send a message to the new owner.

He hasn't had time to really get comfortable with it.

Let's buy this car.

Man, those wheels.

Best wheels Mercedes ever put on any car.

Really?

Ever.

Every thing.

We like them?

Oh, my God.

Those are the wheels.

These are the...

It's the great...

I actually just like them.

This is the all-time greatest factory wheel.

Filippo, that wheel...

Why?

Why is he doing this?

He's afraid because it's looking at him.

It's going to fire him right now.

That wheel.

Go back to the exterior shot of the car.

Filippo, this wheel is...

I think it is an active detriment to the car.

Oh, my God.

This is...

I've heard a lot of bad takes in my day.

Most of them from Hoovey.

And you're going to come here and say this on our podcast.

I will not have such slander thrown at this wheel.

This is one of the all-time great wheels.

Period.

Get Ryan Lopez in here.

Okay, we got to move on to the market report.

Yeah.

The market report, folks, is brought to you by cars and bids.

That is the business that we're peddling with this podcast.

Okay?

That is...

I wish we would do a little better, actually.

You think that we're just here podcasting?

No, we have an agenda.

We have a damn agenda.

We want you to go to cars and bids, for God's sake.

Anyway, it's a website where we sell and buy cars.

I think we sell them.

It's an app, too.

We sell them.

I think we buy them.

People buy cars.

We don't buy them.

We connect buyers and sellers with the pool of cars.

You bought a car one time on this.

Twice.

Anyway, that's what we're doing.

And I want to talk about a lot of times on the pod,

we lambast Filippo for not understanding

what total cost of ownership means.

Yeah.

And I was just thinking about it today, yesterday.

The great total cost of ownership car, the G63.

Pull up G63s, please.

The values do not change.

G63.

We just sold this one.

Click on this one.

This car, how many miles did it have?

This is a G63 with 120,000 miles.

115,000 miles.

It still sells for $51,000.

It's an 11-year-old car with 115,000 miles.

There are not a lot of 20, 15 cars with 150,000 miles

that would sell for $51,000 of any make-and-model.

Certainly, Bentley's are cheaper from this era on that.

Absolutely.

And I was just thinking this car,

and it's also this car is generally known to be reliable

unless you go overboard maintaining it and do things

that you shouldn't do up at shops up in North County.

And I generally find that this car,

aside from the fuel costs,

that this car is a great total cost.

Also, are we excluding fuel costs from cost of ownership?

Well, I think that fuel costs you have to,

you probably have to spend in any car.

I mean, that's kind of just a given.

You could calculate the difference between what this would be

versus what other vehicle I guess you would buy.

Right.

The depreciation, the tire buying cost of a Prius

is probably the amount of fuel you put in that car

over 117 miles.

Well, yeah.

By driving at 117,000 miles, sure.

But if you wanted a car to drive for three years

and put 15,000 miles on or something,

it was like a fun extra car.

Our producer has a G550 and a Ferrari 360,

and the G550 is the least fuel-efficient vehicle.

Yeah, right.

I just think that these cars, we've talked about this before.

We've gone on G-Wagon Rants before.

I just was surprised to see this result

because this is a car that someone has really used.

It's not a low mileage car.

It's not a, it's not an especially like pristine car,

but it's still bringing $51,000.

Think of it.

You don't want a 2015 Range Rover sells for,

which puts the same cost new.

12, 8, 13.

13.

Yeah.

I mean, it's unbelievable.

Agreed.

Even a Land Cruiser, which is so famous and all that,

a 15 Land Cruiser is now a 30 car, 35 maybe.

If that, yeah.

This must be the floor for this car, right?

Maybe, I mean, really early G55s are still 30s.

So yeah, probably this doesn't get much cheaper.

Love an early G55.

I know the ride is rubbish, but man, they are really cool.

Pull up.

Do we get it?

We have one live right now.

We have one live right now, a blown one with mods.

Go, wait, go back, go back.

Yeah, mods.

Let's see.

Let's see some, some stack.

Let's see what some results have been.

Give me a silver stocky.

This one.

Wow.

38.

That one had miles.

You didn't buy this?

No, I'm not interested.

70,000.

You didn't buy this?

Not interested.

Why not?

You think you're better than a G-Wagon?

No.

You think you're better than that?

I think I'm not good enough.

Well, that's a, I can't help you.

Kenan, give us a market report.

I recently discovered that we often talk about like for BMWs,

and I'm sorry to talk about a BMW,

but we often talk about the F10M5 being a great value.

Yeah.

Well, recently this M6 sold for $22,750.

Now it was in Canada and it had 68,000 miles on it,

but that does not look like a $20,000 car for me.

I didn't realize that M6s had started to dip there.

I knew F10M5s were in the 20 and 30 range,

but I didn't realize these were low 20s.

What about Grand Coupes?

Grand Coupes, I believe, are a little bit more,

but I think that, uh, there you go.

They're $10,000.

$10,000.

Congratulations.

Hey, Kenan.

$171,000.

Well, go back, go back.

What are they generally selling for?

30.

They're a little more.

It looks like they're mostly like high 20s,

in the 30s, even the 40.

My point is like this is a much more exotic looking car

than the F10.

The M5.

Yeah, I agree.

The F10M5.

That side shot, go back to that.

That looks really, that's flat.

That's really appealing.

You know, I drove one of these and I had at Imperial Beach

and I did a video on it years ago.

I thought it was really nice.

Yeah, I think it's a great car.

And like the interior is so pretty modern.

And like, I don't know, I just like those cars

are dipping into the low 20s and high teens.

It is interesting to me how some car,

like modern-ish cars are now getting cheap.

This doesn't look that different

from a new BMW interior.

No, I don't really think the user experience

is that much different, honestly.

Car play.

Car play, yeah.

I think it has car play.

I think it does, but probably not wireless.

Which is what Filippo needs.

He's grown accustomed to it.

Actually, sadly, base model market GTIs

have wired car play.

Wired car play.

I completely agree.

I think it's a great value.

It's a beautiful car.

Fast.

What is it, 500 horse?

500, 560.

They do have some issues with reliability.

Well, that's every BMW ever made.

Speaking of BMWs, Filippo, you have a market report for us?

I do, but I don't want to talk about BMWs at all.

Okay, go for it.

Can we talk about...

Let's go for poor Sangui.

No, when it's that far, I still don't know how to say poor Sangui.

Okay, we just had one fail to be reserved.

Yeah.

It was interesting.

I think there's been very few poor Sangui

at the secondary market.

There were a couple when it first came out a year ago

that sold for a little bit over MSRP.

Yeah.

We're now a year in to these being sold.

We had one, right?

Didn't we sell one for a big money?

I don't know.

Truly don't know.

That's how much I think about poor Sangui.

A purist over here.

What was the secret on this one?

The secret on this was like 490-ish,

and it had 2,000 miles, some of that.

Turns out the market does not think these are worth...

Like, these are normal depreciating SUVs.

They are not depreciating like the most desirable Ferraris.

It was bid to 415.

They're also not depreciating like the SF90,

which is the fastest appreciating item.

Well, we'll see.

I think it's a little too early to say how...

Yeah, but it is certainly not holding value

like the most desirable Ferraris.

But no surprise.

I mean, none of the SUVs ever have

for any of the brands Lambo roll.

Well, no 2 plus 2 Ferrari has ever.

True.

Although this is a 4-door car, which is their first one,

it's not a surprise.

It is very cool.

When you look at...

I love this car, but...

Cullinan and Urus, you kind of...

Cayenne, you kind of figured.

And then, yeah, that's a good point.

FF and GTC4 Luso and 612 and 456, all those,

they all have always gotten...

They've always taken.

But now we have evidence,

because there have been very few for sale,

but now we know for sure.

Yeah.

And I actually bet you that when demand and supply

catch up a little bit more on the new market,

you're going to see even more significant

depreciation on the used market.

I think right now there are still some waiting lists.

There are still excited people.

There are people still who are kind of going after them

and want them and all that,

which is probably pushing use demand up a little bit.

I think that it's going to change.

I have a suspicion that in a couple more years,

these are going to really start to see a bigger depreciation.

They become appealing at some price point.

I think it's appealing full stop.

I think it's the best driving SUV I've ever been in.

Really?

Yeah.

But it better be with a 490 sticker or whatever that was.

It's amazing.

It is.

That car is such an athlete.

That car makes the career GT look like a career GT.

Okay.

It's time for the questions, folks, the questions.

This is very important to us because it's the only time

when you get to communicate directly with Filippo.

It's the only time when you're able to sit here.

I block myself off.

Yeah.

Filippo is in a silo.

He's in a silo of stone.

We just power him down.

Can I be?

Is that an option?

There's no Wi-Fi in there.

Never mind.

Not interested.

He's in a silo of stone.

And we found a way to have flak.

But when the questions come, it is your opportunity to directly...

Now, when he communicates with you, you can't talk back.

You can't ask a follow-up.

That's what I'm here for.

If you want to ask a question, you go to carsandbids.com.

You click on the community tab.

There's a poster that says questions.

And then you post your question.

People have been submitting tons and tons of questions.

It's lovely.

So many questions.

And I go through now all the questions and find the ones

that I think are the most interesting.

We're going to start with Lucas Zanger.

You think that's his real name?

I think it's an alias.

Hey, Doug, we love Nick.

Please add another chair and make him a permanent member of the pod.

Well, Lucas, we're not doing that for a couple of reasons,

including the fact that Nick has a job.

He's unemployed here.

He just shows up.

Sometimes he just shows up.

I was filming the other day.

We had 30 minutes from his house.

I was filming the other day and he texted me to Ham here.

No one else.

It was just me in the office.

I had to invite him.

I'm so glad he doesn't.

And I was like, Nick, I'm shooting audio.

I'm not.

I'm sorry.

You got to wait.

That was my Nick experience.

I will say good news for everybody.

We have a couple of non-overlapping trips coming up.

You're gone.

I'm gone.

Kenan's gone.

Somebody else is gone.

I'm not going to broadcast.

And Nick will be here filling it out.

So that's what I was going to say.

So we can't add Nick because he has a job,

but I think the next four podcasts in a row.

Yeah.

And then there's also some,

our libel and slander insurance.

It doesn't cover.

We can only have them on once a month.

No, the next four podcasts, we have Nick

because I'm gone for two and then you're gone for two.

And so Nick is going to be sitting in this chair

or that chair or some chair.

A chair.

Talking to people.

And it's going to be great.

So I can't make him permanent,

but I can make him semi-permanent.

You're going to have a November of Nick.

Nick Vember.

And also two weeks in October.

Okay.

Next question from Rogue Papaya.

Hey Doug, what enthusiast slash supercars

do you recommend for taller drivers?

As a fellow six foot, four inch tall guy.

And by the way in meters, that's 26.

Many of my, I don't know how they do it over there.

Many of my favorite cars seem to be feasible as a weekend,

don't seem feasible as a weekend car,

let alone a daily driver.

I'd like to avoid the Mr. Incredible look if possible.

You know where he's like crammed.

Of course.

I actually never have had problems in any car,

except the Ferrari Boxer and the Salinas 7.

It depends on how your height is distributed.

I've never had issues.

I have to say I've been in both of those cars

and even I at six feet tall had problems.

Those are tight.

So don't get those.

But the ones to get, I don't know.

I truly have never really had issues

in fitting into basically any vehicle.

I don't know, I'm 5'8".

You just hop right in.

So that's my answer.

The way that I am configured, it is interesting

getting into a car after you.

Because you are legitimately 8 inches taller than me.

I don't have to move the seat, generally.

Dude, I sit close.

I'm like a race car driver.

You ever see Mario Andretti?

He doesn't, he's not doing more of these.

Mario Andretti is up there.

All right.

I like to zip around.

I'm like, can it?

I do like to sit close.

Wait, same thing.

I don't have to move the seat when you drive a car.

Boom.

Sorry for not giving you a better answer.

Rogue papaya.

Okay.

Here's a good question from BrokeMed student 8832.

The three of you are given $250,000 with the stipulation

that you can only use it to purchase one enthusiast car

that you share.

Oh dear.

What would you agree on?

I don't usually like these.

You have X number of dollars and whatever questions.

I usually skip them because it's just gets.

But this is a good one.

We have to agree on something.

I know what count I'm gonna say.

Okay, salvage title 4GT.

Now, Ken, I was going to say a Z8.

No, the Z8's also 128,000.

What about a nice Z8?

What about a 993?

Yeah, that might be the answer.

Really?

Surprised with that.

How much is an LMO too?

Six cylinders.

Yeah.

Let's pick something more exciting.

You can't get into the move for $250,000.

What about a $575,000?

$575,000 all day.

That's half the price.

Swap and stick.

A good swamp $575,000.

That's still half the price.

Okay.

Well, you don't have to use every penny.

Or you can get a Super America with no swap.

You got that for $250,000.

Would you do that?

I would like the top to work.

So $250,000.

Well, thank you.

Barquetta.

That was too expensive.

That was a way too expensive.

A 4GT is not a bad.

It can sell fine to any for $250,000.

You can't salvage.

No.

Or we have to be past the $250,000 days.

Oh, yeah.

I don't even think you can find a salvage,

but if you wanted to go with that,

I would go with that.

If we could move on.

Mercy would be easier.

Oh, yeah.

Mercy.

But only...

No, what about a Swapy Swap?

Maybe.

A swapped mercy.

I would do that.

Would you do that?

No.

You're right.

Good point.

What about a 575?

You're going to have to...

I would do a 575.

What about a 612?

Oh, yeah.

But that's 75.

612.

That's okay.

That's 100.

Okay.

Fine.

Do a Novatech body kit.

Never mind.

We're all 612.

What else?

Diablo you can get for $250,000.

Yeah.

What about a Diablo?

No, thank you.

Not interested.

Okay.

This is the problem.

You're the problem.

So what's wrong with 575?

Why didn't you agree?

No, I did.

All right.

We're doing 575.

575 and a bunch of cash.

Why not a 993?

Come on.

For $250?

What like the Diablo 997 do you get for $250?

All of them.

Spikers.

996 GT2.

Ooh, Spiker.

They're too minor.

996 GT2.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

Great.

Oh, wow.

I'd do GT2.

I mean, not more than Mercy.

What are your Porsche guys?

No, but I could be common.

Just you.

I would do...

Wait, do you ride in Cabriolet?

No, not for $250.

Okay.

I mean, he wouldn't do it for $250.

I wouldn't even...

No, I wouldn't even consider it.

You gotta have more fun on your life than that.

Okay.

Next question from CXNiner.

Rank Emily's car history.

Oh.

Great question.

Emily is Ken's fictional girlfriend.

Yeah, that's great.

And we did an office tour many moons ago,

and I announced that Ken would sometimes

shack up here with Emily.

I don't remember what.

No, I would sleep because she kicked me out.

Right, right, right.

But, you know, sometimes one thing leads to another,

and the opposite happens.

Anyway, Emily drives an M3 CRT,

and for those of you who don't know what that is,

Emily knows.

What did Emily have before the M3 CRT, Kenner?

I assume an Audi Q5.

She had an E46 M3 before that.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah, she had a CSL.

She had a CSL.

And before that, she had the E36 M3 with the flag on it.

With the LTW.

She had a LTW.

Before that, it was an E30 M3, the Evo.

Yeah, yep, the Riccardo portrayer,

whatever, one of the limited editions.

She only does really rare M3s.

There was an E30 M3 convertible.

That's a good one.

There you go.

You guys can come out.

She had a cab.

Family's real.

And she only owns the best.

She only owns the best, but the thing is,

the F80 never gave her what she wanted.

She only wanted NA engines,

and so she stopped at the M3 CRT.

She wanted a carbon fiber trunk lid.

And she wanted red accents.

I forget about the red accents.

I always forget about the stupid red accents.

They're so important.

Okay, next question from HenryJH.

A simple question just hopefully

stoked your interest in motorcycles.

How does it feel that my $8,000 motorcycle

is faster than your Carrera GT?

Fine. Speed is about 87th on my list of things

that I'm interested in,

and you have not stoked my interest in motorcycles.

In fact, if anything,

you have terrified me even more

that you can buy it for $8,000 a motorcycle

that is faster than Carrera GT.

All motorcycles are incredibly fast.

Harleys are faster than like every car,

and they're Harleys.

They're little, and they got big engines.

They go really fast.

They don't weigh anything.

But I don't want to die.

And if you have a motorcycle, you will die.

Am I wrong?

You're 100% we all die with cars.

Dude, we're bamming through these.

We're going to get to every question.

Okay.

And from Knox2,

how, this has been maybe a longer question,

how is Infiniti still in business?

I heard they've ever seen new Infiniti's on the road.

They discontinued the QX-15, the QX-65,

their SUVs.

So they're down to only two models now,

which I don't even, just the QX-80 and what.

How do they maintain a dealer network at this point?

Is there anything you think they could do to save themselves?

They are coming out with a lot of additional products.

But they were all going to be electric.

No, no, no.

Part of Nissan's revamped road map

that we talked about a few months ago

includes some actual Infiniti models.

I don't really know the answer to this question either,

to be honest, how they're still around.

I, look, when you're an automaker,

it's really tough to decide to give up all of that brand equity.

And also you have contracts with a lot of dealers

and suppliers and factories.

And like it takes a,

it's a big decision to wind it down.

Because you are fundamentally saying,

we're never going to,

we never think this is going to work again.

We're never going to try this again.

And also it's a giant FU to a whole lot of people

that trust it in your brand.

And then build dealerships,

follow the brand guidelines,

build parts for you, et cetera.

I wouldn't argue why they don't.

Someone say the right has been on the wall

for a long, half a time.

You're getting to that point.

You might not be quite there yet

because QX80 is new

and it's, I've seen more of them around than I expected,

but you're getting to that point.

All around, I'll say.

You're getting to that point.

No, agreed.

This is the signal, Jerry.

This is the signal.

I mean, like, it, you know,

when you can't even sell a mid-size SUV

or a mid-small Q5 size, that's the set.

That's the market.

You got to wonder is, will there ever be

interested buyers for this brand ever again?

Will there ever be a market

that really wants these cars ever again?

It's impressive that they have failed so spectacularly

at building a luxury mainstream brand.

When they had fundamentally built one,

the G35 was really popular.

The G37 was popular.

The FX.

The FX was never popular, but okay.

It was huge.

You weren't even in America at the time.

You didn't see any in Italy.

Well, of course you didn't.

I think they have to hope that they can revitalize it,

but I would not be shocked if they realized

something that hit me that I found kind of interesting

is the new Pathfinder and the new Armada,

I think are segment leaders.

Got it.

I separate segments.

Yeah.

I truly believe that in their segments,

those cars, I think the Pathfinder isn't maybe

quite as good as Telluride Palisade,

but I would put it in top five.

And I would put Armada in top two.

And...

Well, there's three entrants in the class.

No.

I mean, you have Tahoe Yukon Expedition and Sequoia

and Grand Ragonier.

And I would argue legitimately that in spite of that,

no one is buying those cars.

And so you start to wonder what would be required

for people to do that.

And with Infinity especially,

moving beyond Nissan, with Infinity especially,

what would it take?

Do you know what I mean?

The Pathfinder is a great vehicle and people aren't buying it

because the Nissan brand is so sullied.

The Infinity brand is even more sullied.

What would it take?

They could make the best car in the segment

and it's still not that desirable to people

because they don't want an Infinity.

And the QXXE looks good.

There's other model they sell.

Looks good and it's based on Armada.

It's based on the Pathfinder.

That's what I meant. Sorry, yeah.

And presumably it is good for that reason.

And it looks nice.

It's surprising they're not more successful.

They have invested that heavily in marketing the brand,

I don't think.

Or creating good cars for the brand.

But I truly, truly wonder like at some point,

do you sit here and say,

no matter what we invested,

the reputation and the brand and the desirability

is just too far gone?

Yeah.

And then at that point you cut.

I mean, they sold 58,000 cars last year,

10% down from 2023.

That's notable.

Can you turn that around?

Or can you sustain it at those numbers?

Maybe.

It's basically a U.S. only brand too.

They already tried and failed in Europe.

I thought he was looking at a graph.

A lot of red on that graph.

They've been around.

In 2022, they only sold 46,000 cars.

They were in the mid-100s.

Yeah.

I'd be curious though.

I don't really trust this whole sales figures.

They had a fight with a Buick guy one time about this.

I don't really trust the sales figures.

I want to see sales figures.

This is from our friends at Good Car.

I want to see sales figures that aren't fleet sales.

I want to see sales figures that aren't fleet sales,

which are generally either profitless

or really close to profits.

For infinity, you're running the zero.

That's the thing.

And that is a different conversation.

Okay.

Next question from Julian275.

By the way, the answer to this question,

before I even ask it from me and Kenan,

is no, none.

But Philippa will have an answer.

What modification?

What is it?

After having RJ scurringe on the podcast,

he runs the Rivian folks.

Do you have any desire to have more automotive figures

or CEOs on?

Who would be your dream guest?

No, none.

Philippa, who?

Yeah, I found it really enjoyable to talk to RJ.

I think our audience found it really enjoyable

to talk to RJ based on numbers.

So I would love to have more of those conversations.

I think Jim Farley is the most enthusiast CEO right now.

And I said, that would be an interesting conversation.

Do you agree that we would?

CEO or nothing?

Yeah.

So if Honda came to us and was like,

you can talk to our head of product planning

to explain why we're such little careful people?

Not interested.

Big no.

Yeah.

I want the Japanese fella and a translator.

Yep.

I'll see.

I only want the top.

That's true.

He may speak English, but yeah.

Don't you think?

Stefan Winkleman.

Yeah.

Bring him in.

Don't you think that our pod deserves the top?

Yeah.

Yes.

We've been there.

We've been to the Zenith already.

This isn't like a pod that Hovey does,

where he can interview the fellow who's been designing

radio head units at Chrysler in the 90s.

I mean, it's hard to get people to go to Wichita, so.

Right.

I only want the top.

So if you're an automaker, Mary Barra or nothing.

Mary Barra I would talk to, but less interesting.

Why?

I think that there is a little,

there's certain, we're an enthusiast podcast.

There's a couple of CEOs that are very much car enthusiasts,

where I think that kind of thing.

You don't think Mary Barra,

she's spent her whole life in the biz, dude.

She, they showed the ZR1X.

I think she like me is a car industry enthusiast.

Others like Jim Farley, I think is a car enthusiast.

Who's in the industry?

We have a formal, we have look at the months.

I want Mary Barra on and I want to quiz her back and front about Caprice.

That's all I want to talk about.

Caprice classic, the newest Caprice, the police only one.

And I don't want to go into SS.

I don't care about that.

Okay.

And by the way, you make an interesting point about.

Sgt.

Maricchione, if he came back from the dead of it.

Luca's alive.

Yeah, that's fine.

You make an interesting point about Jim Farley.

However, I would also posit to you that Mary Barra,

Jim Farley is Ford, right?

Ford Ford Ford.

Mary Barra, it's general motors.

There's like a bunch of brands, not just Ford.

She's got, she can talk to us about Holden.

She can talk to us about Opal.

She can talk to us about Pontiac.

She can talk to us about Saturn.

Not part of the Jim family anymore.

I'm really sorry.

Damn.

I was really getting on this dead brand list and I screwed up.

I would talk to.

That is not a dead brand.

They just sold it to somebody else.

God knows who.

That's the latest.

Maybe she can tell us why they sold it.

Well, we all know why they sold it.

Why does it buy it?

That's a real question.

Okay.

I have to do two more questions.

Yeah.

Are you ready for them?

Okay.

Oh, here's a good one for Kenan.

Hey, Doug.

What is your craziest story of getting pulled over by a cop?

Do cops ever pull you over in cool cars just to check them out

or because they realize it's you?

No, not really, but Kenan has some good police interactions.

Yeah, I've been pulled over three times ever.

Really?

Twice for speed.

Once for some reason I'm still not sure about.

Oh, wow.

Give us that one.

That one.

I was coming home.

I was close to our neighborhood, which is in a relatively nice area.

And at the windows down, I was driving the M5.

I've just gotten off the highway.

It was a cool nice summer night.

When I was down, I go and I like I'm driving and all of a sudden

this cop car just spins around to follow me.

Now, as I'm driving through, there's a kind of weird road.

And there's another car in my lane coming directly at me.

Like flash and lay down the horn and they dove over.

Cop didn't turn his lights on.

I go around the corner like I'm going.

I go to our neighbor, the cop turns his lights on,

pulls me over and they come up to me and they go.

The reason I'm pulling over is for window tint,

which windows were down.

So I was like, I'll get to that in a second.

But did you not see the guy who was in my lane?

And they're like, no, I'm like, are you blind?

Like it was, well, I was upset.

And then I said, I also, I said, what are you pulling me over for again?

I said, window tint.

I went, really?

And the guy got all flustered.

He's like, oh, we got one of your lights.

Did he have a tint meter?

No.

And then one guy came, one guy, the other, they were two cops.

The other guy came up in here and said,

he said, hey, man, I just want this.

I really like 339M5.

And then they realized I was in a nice, that I said,

I was, where are you going?

I'm going home and it's literally up there.

And they're like, oh, okay, no problem.

This is recent.

They wanted to see if you were DUI.

This was a year and a half ago or two ago.

They wanted to see if you were DUI.

And you know what?

Good call on their parts.

How fast were you going on the highway before?

I wasn't.

That was the thing.

And they didn't see me on the highway as it was.

It was like off the street.

I can tell you what street it was on.

What were the speeds you got pulled over for back

when you got speeding tickets?

One was 85 and a 65.

And the cop told me if you were, he said, quote,

if you were doing 80, I would have let you go.

Yeah.

Which is 15 over, which is still.

Yeah, but there's so many people doing 85.

It makes sense.

I know, but he was like,

but he also was very complimentary on the car.

This is a really nice car.

I understand why you're going so fast.

And the first time was, it was my friend Adrian.

I was much younger and I accelerated underneath the tunnel

and there was a cop right there.

And he got me.

Same thing.

It was like, it's really cool.

And they said, next time just put it in neutral.

And you can rev.

There's no light.

You can do that.

So I saw him a couple of weeks later cop come in.

I like put it in neutral and just took it right up to red line.

And you like gave me a lot of cops are car people in the end.

For those of my size.

Pull over that one time.

I did get pulled over that.

I was about to say I've never been pulled over.

I never pulled over that one time for his no front plate.

Yep.

And the guy, I let him know that I was waiting on like the plate frame from, which I was.

And then he just said, okay.

And you know what?

To Flippo's credit, he now has a front plate.

I do.

I legitimately did have a front plate.

And remember, he mounted it before he cleaned the bumper.

So underneath it, there's all sorts of bugs.

Uh-huh.

Probably that.

What's the problem?

I don't understand.

The front of my car is PPFed.

So we're good.

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Okay.

Plastic between the paint and the bugs.

I've gotten pulled over a bunch of times, but it's all worked out.

What's the final?

I don't have any great stories.

The final question is from AJP Coons.

Doug, can you talk about your employment with Enterprise Renekar?

Did you know I used to work for Enterprise Renekar?

I did know that, yeah.

What was your position?

What was your experience?

What did you like and dislike?

And did you leave because of your job offer from Portia?

No.

Enterprise Renekar was a summer job that I had

in the summer of 08.

Summer of 08.

I was home from college, maybe I was seven.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.

I was home from college and that was my job.

Yeah, summer of 07, 08 was.

What was your job at Enterprise?

I was a driver.

So when they needed, because Enterprise's big thing was they would pick you up.

And so I would go pick people up at their house and then bring them to the store

so they could do all the paperwork and then they'd have their car.

Or I would, if a car, like someone had rented a luxury and it was across town,

I would go with another driver, go pick it up and then bring it back to the location

before they came.

That must have been thrilling to drive all those 20, what year was it?

Well, take a guess.

So it was 07, 08, somewhere in there.

I can't remember if it was 07 or 08, but it was right in there.

There were two cars that we were all really excited.

Calox CTS.

Three cars were all really excited to drive.

Calox CTS.

You know, I don't think, wow, maybe.

It must have been.

Maybe.

It was a new CTS, but it came out, I don't know, 08 was a new, I've had the gen before.

We didn't have the previous gen for sure.

I think the new one had just come out.

Where it escalates the luxury cars?

We didn't have anything like that.

SUVs weren't as popular yet.

This was the, rental car companies have really gone into this luxury game,

but at least back then, we didn't have any Lincoln town car.

Maybe, you know, Ford was hooked up with Hertz.

Oh, that's true.

Because Ford had owned Hertz.

And so I don't know that we had, we had Fords because you have them,

but it wasn't like, I mean, there were expeditions and stuff, but.

Avalon?

The number one car that I was excited to drive,

which I get to have maybe three times all summer.

Maxima was really hot.

The new Maxima with the coin slot roof had just come out in like 04.

And that was 265 horse.

That was cool as hell.

The G35, which was brand new.

Whether Infinity put those in fleets or not.

Yeah.

Then it was brand new then.

It had just been redesigned for like 0.708.

And that was the car, the most excited to drive.

But also the Chrysler 300.

Oh, I forgot about that car.

This was the first gen 300, the very OG.

And the base models were trash,

but we had a few 300 Cs with the 5.7 Hemi.

And that was the most exciting experience of my life.

Dang.

Driving one of those.

I still remember some of my drives in the G35s in the Chrysler 300s.

How excited I was at that time.

How cool.

And those were the cars.

It was not that cool.

Mostly we were driving really bad.

This was the era where Chrysler had the Dodge Avenger and the Sebring.

And those were the worst cars in the world.

They were tough in the caliber.

Don't forget about the caliber.

Caliber was the Patriot, the Compass.

We had all those.

Those were all, that was like the bulk.

The Saturn view that was built in Mexico,

the bad second gen Saturn view.

Maybe they were all built in Mexico.

Anyway, that was my job.

And I only did it for a summer and I didn't go back after that.

The next year I worked as at the Ferrari dealer in a similar job.

That was a big jump.

Yeah.

And then that was that.

What was your summer job?

I worked all year.

All right.

I worked at a Subway Santa shop for two years.

When you home.

I also painted houses all summer.

A paints house.

For a paints house.

He's at a time.

Bulgarelli over here paints houses.

Hey, I painted houses.

You would come home from school on the east coast

and you'd go back to Wisconsin and what did you do there?

That was where you painted houses?

In college.

I painted houses in high school.

In college I had like various internships and

like more academic.

You never went back to Wisconsin?

I went back to Wisconsin and I worked at the Department of Public Instruction

as an intern for a summer.

This is a school.

This is the state agency that runs schools.

And I also worked at the Value Added Research Center,

which is a different like UW Madison affiliated

education research thing that same summer.

This is Filippo's previous life.

One summer was in Philly.

It feels like so when you weren't at school,

you're doing school based business.

I worked at education.

Yeah.

What were your summer jobs?

Did you ever work in the car world?

I never had a job that wasn't in car.

No, no, I had my own like, like through high school I had my own like

lawn care thing is what I did.

I've mowed lawns and like for a bunch of different people.

Did you tow a lawn thing, like a trailer of lawn equipment?

I did not do that.

It was all local stuff.

But like it was like, I had like a lawn tractor,

drive over, do the thing.

I had all my still equipment and all that stuff would do.

I really just love the precision of it.

You can imagine how straight those lines are.

Fun fact about Kennan that I will reveal on your behalf,

when you would like do your chores and vacuum a rug or like a room that had carpet,

there would be like the beautiful carpet lines, right?

No, I just just like that.

That's for lawns.

All right, apologies.

I hate that.

When I see it on cars, it bothers me.

I hate that.

Really?

But for lawns, it's okay.

Yeah, lawns is where it belongs.

Interesting, like baseball, like baseball outfields.

Yeah, that's the appropriate application of that striping.

My enterprise days were in Denver, United States.

A lot of straight suburban roads to deliver cars across.

Yeah, no, it was.

And I remember there were some crazy incidents.

Some people were nuts.

One time there was a stolen car and they were like,

go over to where the guy's address is and see if you can find it.

And I was like, because people would steal, stop paying.

And we did do that, but we didn't find it.

Nor did we look hard.

Okay, but you got anything else?

I think that's all for now.

Do we have anything to plug?

Just cars and bits.

Okay, but like, we all know about the

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