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Haggerty on Dealing with Product Gap, Massimilla on Digital Handoff | Daily Dealer Live

Haggerty on Dealing with Product Gap, Massimilla on Digital Handoff | Daily Dealer Live

Car Dealership Guy Podcast Jun 17, 2026 57 min
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About this episode

Dealership leaders break down how to keep sales and service moving through product and lead gaps. Pat Hagerty discusses handling scarcity with disciplined inventory and throughput, plus tradeoffs like protecting CSI/SSI and service retention. The conversation then shifts to digital handoffs: incomplete subprime lead data, AI chatbot workflows, and why human connection still matters. They also cover operational tactics—training leaders ahead of time, using video MPI for revenue, and choosing phone for inbound vs text for outbound—while debating how to measure AI’s impact.

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Brand

Carvana

"The Dallas store is the second of seven Carvana franchise locations... Financing runs through Carvana for now and every purchase closes online with a seven day return window."

Carvana is a company that sells used cars mostly online. In this story, they’re also testing a physical store concept in Dallas.

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Brand

Stellanus

"all carrying Stellanus brands. Tiara says Carvana chose Stellanus specifically because the four brands, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram..."

Stellanus is the name used here for the brand group being carried at the store. The idea is that multiple car brands are offered in one place.

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Chrysler

"Tiara says Carvana chose Stellanus specifically because the four brands, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, cover every major segment..."

Chrysler is a car brand. Here it’s mentioned as one of several brands offered through the same store concept.

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Dodge

"the four brands, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, cover every major segment from entry level to luxury..."

Dodge is a car brand. In this segment it’s listed as part of the set of brands the store carries.

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Ram

"the four brands, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, cover every major segment from entry level to luxury..."

Ram is a car brand, especially known for pickup trucks. It’s mentioned here as one of the brands offered in the store concept.

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Jeep

"Tiara says Carvana chose Stellanus specifically because the four brands, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram..."

Jeep is a car brand known for SUVs and off-road vehicles. Here it’s mentioned as one of the brands offered in the same store concept.

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Concept

seven day return window

"Financing runs through Carvana for now and every purchase closes online with a seven day return window."

A seven day return window means you can return the car within a week after buying it. It’s meant to protect you if the car isn’t what you expected.

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Concept

No haggle pricing

"No haggle pricing applies. Financing runs through Carvana for now and every purchase closes online..."

No haggle pricing means the price is fixed and you don’t bargain for a lower one. It’s different from the usual dealership back-and-forth.

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Term

VIN check

"The bumper.com study of approximately 2000 buyers found that 62% skipped a VIN check before purchasing."

A VIN check is a way to look up a car’s history using its unique ID number. If you skip it, you might miss problems the seller doesn’t mention.

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Concept

delaying routine maintenance

"a separate G law group survey of 2000 adults adds another layer 27% of car owners are currently delaying routine maintenance like brakes and tires all due to rising gas prices..."

Delaying routine maintenance means putting off regular car services. The segment says some people are doing it because they’re trying to save money, but it can lead to bigger problems later.

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VIN report

"advocate Aaron Kemp says dealers have a real opening here. Walking buyers through a VIN report and being upfront about inspection findings can turn transparency into a selling point rather than a liability."

A VIN report is a vehicle history report generated from a car’s Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). Dealers use it to document things like prior ownership, accidents, and service/registration history so buyers can make decisions with more complete information.

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Concept

delayed maintenance

"Seems like the meshing of two ideas or stories. The delayed maintenance is an aside. That's a fascinating piece to me."

Delayed maintenance is when routine car upkeep gets put off. Instead of fixing small issues on schedule, they can turn into bigger, more expensive problems later.

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Car

Lincoln Nautilus

"Back at it, a story to monitor Ford is asking the federal government for authorization to keep selling the Lincoln Nautilus in the United States. Yes, they're asking the feds. Can we continue to sell the Nautilus?"

The Lincoln Nautilus is a luxury SUV. This episode segment is about whether Ford can legally keep selling it in the U.S. because of U.S. rules about certain connected-vehicle software coming from China.

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Term

connected vehicle software

"while its software is developed domestically, it's installed in China, which puts it in conflict with the Commerce Department's ban on Chinese connected vehicle software."

Connected vehicle software is the part of the car’s computer that lets it connect to the internet or networks for services. The segment is saying U.S. rules may limit certain connected features depending on where the software is installed.

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Car

Buick 27 Model

"...hicle software. The restriction kicks in with the 27 model year. Ford expects to begin importing 2027 Nautil..."

“Buick Model 27” sounds like a specific model year or version of a Buick. The podcast says a software restriction starts with that 27 model year. That means the car’s software behavior changes for vehicles built in that timeframe.

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Term

fixed ops

"Back to the story shifting gears to the service lane dealers running high volume fixed ops need to be watching closely."

“Fixed ops” is dealership shorthand for the service side of the business—repairs and maintenance. If key supplies like motor oil are hard to get, it can slow down service work.

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Term

motor oil shortage

"There's a motor oil shortage and it's tied to Middle East supply disruptions which may or may not be done specifically the fallout from an attack on a shell plant and Qatar and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz is squeezing lubricant supplies in the US"

A motor oil shortage means there isn’t enough engine oil available for car services. If oil shipments get disrupted, dealerships may struggle to keep up with routine maintenance.

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Place

Strait of Hormuz

"and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz is squeezing lubricant supplies in the US"

The Strait of Hormuz is a major shipping route for energy-related goods. If it’s closed or disrupted, it can make it harder to get supplies like oil and lubricants.

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Brand

Toyota

"Toyota and Nissan have issued guidance to their dealers. Toyota has directed dealers to substitute OW8 vehicles with OW16 in 20% of cases."

Toyota is mentioned because it’s telling its dealers what to do when certain vehicles or parts are in short supply. In this case, it’s about substituting one vehicle type for another.

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Nissan

"Toyota and Nissan have issued guidance to their dealers. Toyota has directed dealers to substitute OW8 vehicles with OW16 in 20% of cases. Nissan has capped allocations of genuine oil including mobile mobile and mobile one variants at 55% of prior year volumes."

Nissan is mentioned because it’s setting limits on what dealers can get during a shortage. Here, it’s about limiting oil supply compared to last year.

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Term

OW8 vehicles

"Toyota has directed dealers to substitute OW8 vehicles with OW16 in 20% of cases."

“OW8” and “OW16” sound like code names for different versions of a vehicle. The important part is that Toyota is allowing dealers to swap one version for another when supply is tight.

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OW16

"Toyota has directed dealers to substitute OW8 vehicles with OW16 in 20% of cases."

“OW16” is the alternative vehicle version Toyota is telling dealers they can use instead of “OW8” when supplies are limited.

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allocations

"Nissan has capped allocations of genuine oil including mobile mobile and mobile one variants at 55% of prior year volumes."

“Allocations” are the limited amounts a company allows each dealer to get. Here, it’s about limiting how much of a specific product (oil) dealers can receive.

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genuine oil

"Nissan has capped allocations of genuine oil including mobile mobile and mobile one variants at 55% of prior year volumes."

“Genuine oil” is the brand’s recommended oil for the vehicle. If there isn’t enough of it, the shop may have to delay or substitute service work.

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service timelines

"The practical message for dealers shore up supplier relationships now revisit allocation strategies and get ahead of customer communication before service timelines start slipping."

“Service timelines” means how long customers have to wait for maintenance or repairs. If parts are delayed, those wait times get longer.

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Company

ClearShift

"And closing out today we go to the M&A tracker, the CDG Bicell tracker, ClearShift. We love our tracker. ClearShift the Colorado based youth car operation founded by Jeff Vanderwall in 2016 has made its first franchise dealership acquisition."

ClearShift is a company that buys and grows dealership locations. In this segment, they’re doing their first dealership acquisition and planning more.

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Person

Jeff Vanderwall

"ClearShift the Colorado based youth car operation founded by Jeff Vanderwall in 2016 has made its first franchise dealership acquisition."

Jeff Vanderwall is the person who started ClearShift, the company mentioned in the dealership acquisition news.

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Place

Gunnison, Utah

"ClearShift the Colorado based youth car operation founded by Jeff Vanderwall in 2016 has made its first franchise dealership acquisition. Purchasing Freedom Ford in Gunnison, Utah from husband and wife team JL and Sarah Larson..."

Gunnison, Utah is where the dealership being discussed is located.

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Company

Ed Morse automotive group

"Also out this week Ed Morse automotive group has signed a definitive agreement to acquire Mercedes Benz of Billings in Montana from DMN auto holdings with the deal expected to close in July."

Ed Morse automotive group is buying another dealership. Deals like this can change who runs the store and how it operates.

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Brand

CDJR

"He says, Map Hours made some commentary about Carvana buying another CDJR franchise in Texas... Eager K, Sam Carvanas talking to Central CDJR"

CDJR is a group of car brands—Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram. A “CDJR franchise” is a dealership that’s allowed to sell those brands.

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Brand

Faulkner Infinity of Willow Grove

"Pat Hagerty, President General Manager at Faulkner Infinity of Willow Grove."

This is the Infiniti dealership where the guest works as the top manager. It helps explain why he’s talking about how dealerships run.

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Company

Faulkner Organization

"I've been with the Faulkner Organization for 20 years and I've been with Infinity since 2016."

Faulkner Organization is the dealership company that runs multiple car stores. Pat says he’s worked there for a long time.

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Term

fixed operations

"I would say that business right now is below average. I would say our fixed operations are covering the dealership right now and we hope to have a strong close with Newcar the next two weeks or so here."

In a dealership, “fixed operations” usually refers to the service and parts business. It often makes steadier money than selling new cars, so it can help keep the dealership afloat when sales are slow.

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Term

Newcar

"I would say our fixed operations are covering the dealership right now and we hope to have a strong close with Newcar the next two weeks or so here."

“Newcar” means selling brand-new vehicles. He’s saying they’re hoping new-car sales pick up in the next couple of weeks.

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Concept

product gap

"There's a product gap in the brand. We've had executive leadership from Nissan and Infinity ... But how are you dealing with that product gap?"

A “product gap” means the brand doesn’t have enough new or appealing cars available to sell. That makes it harder for a dealership to meet customer demand and hit sales goals.

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Concept

throughput

"So for us, the biggest decision for me that hasn't changed or wavered is throughput. We have to continue to put units in operation ... ultimately units in operation drive Infinity dealerships."

Here, “throughput” basically means how many cars the dealership can get sold and into customers’ hands. The more cars they move, the more money the dealership tends to make.

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Car

QX-60

"So for most of the year, we've had the QX-80 and the QX-60 as our only products. Fortunately, we just added the QX-65 ..."

The Infiniti QX-60 is a mid-size luxury SUV. The speaker is using it as an example of the dealership having only a couple models available to sell.

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Car

QX-80

"So for most of the year, we've had the QX-80 and the QX-60 as our only products. Fortunately, we just added the QX-65 ..."

The Infiniti QX-80 is a big luxury SUV. The speaker says their dealership relied on it (and another model) because they didn’t have many other cars to sell.

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Car

QX-65

"Fortunately, we just added the QX-65 which brings some excitement and freshness to our employees. So we're hoping that that can kind of hold us a little bit."

The Infiniti QX-65 is a newer SUV model the dealership recently started selling. The speaker thinks it will help keep both employees and customers interested when there aren’t many other options.

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Concept

units in operation

"But for us, our decision is we have to stay aggressive ... because ultimately units in operation drive Infinity dealerships. That's what drives profitability ..."

“Units in operation” means cars that are actually being driven by customers. The speaker is saying that having more of those cars helps the dealership make money over time.

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Concept

inventory calculator

"Yeah, so we have an inventory calculator that we look at"

An “inventory calculator” is a planning tool that helps a dealership figure out how many cars it should have on hand. The goal is to avoid running out when customers want to buy.

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Concept

CSI

"we are surrendering front-end gross to win the below-the-line money at the end of the month or end of the quarter by maintaining CSI, SSI, improving service retention"

CSI is a score that measures how happy customers are after they get service at a dealership. Dealers track it because it often affects incentives and how well the store is judged.

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front-end gross

"we are surrendering front-end gross to win the below-the-line money at the end of the month or end of the quarter"

Front-end gross is the profit the dealer makes on the car when it’s sold. The idea here is they’ll accept smaller profit on the car sale if it helps them make more money later.

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below-the-line money

"we are surrendering front-end gross to win the below-the-line money at the end of the month or end of the quarter"

“Below-the-line money” means the dealership makes money from things like service work and parts, not just the car sale. It’s often where the bigger long-term profit comes from.

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Concept

service retention

"by maintaining CSI, SSI, improving service retention and hitting 110% of our sales objective every month and every quarter."

Service retention means getting customers to return for future maintenance and repairs. It’s basically how well the dealership keeps people coming back.

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Concept

SSI

"by maintaining CSI, SSI, improving service retention and hitting 110% of our sales objective every month and every quarter."

SSI is another customer-satisfaction score, focused on the service department. Dealers use it to see whether customers feel the service experience was good.

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Concept

fixed absorption

"our fixed absorption is 98%, which is about 25% above everybody else. And that stems from the decisions we made three years ago"

Fixed absorption is a way to judge whether the dealership is covering its overhead costs with its sales and service volume. Higher usually means the store is running more efficiently.

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Concept

stair step

"stair step's been a big debate on the show. Some dealers love it. Some dealers don't. You've gone all in on it."

A “stair step” is a tiered incentive or pricing plan that changes once you hit certain sales targets. Some dealers like it because it pushes volume; others worry it makes pricing feel inconsistent or harms the brand.

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Car

Lincoln Navigator

"...say affordability comparing to the escalator, the navigator. I think the QX60 is an incredible mid-size SUV. ..."

The Lincoln Navigator is a big luxury SUV. It’s designed to be comfortable and roomy, especially for families or long trips. If someone brings it up in a pricing conversation, they’re usually comparing what you get for the money.

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Brand

Hyundai

"I see Hyundai, there's Hyundai advertising, Hyundai's all in on the World Cup, it seems right now."

Hyundai is a car brand. The host is pointing out that Hyundai is advertising during the World Cup and wondering if that helps car shoppers buy online.

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Car

Dodge Ram

"an increase in Instagram and activity and a little bit more activity from ..."

The Dodge Ram is a large pickup truck. People use it for towing, hauling, and everyday driving. When a podcast talks about more online activity for it, it usually means more people are looking at or shopping for it.

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Car

Challenger Hellcat

"...our marketing department put together a brilliant Hellcat Durango video that's so unbelievable, very Transf..."

The Challenger is a performance car. It’s built for strong acceleration and a sporty driving feel. When it comes up in marketing talk, it’s usually because it’s a well-known model that helps attract attention.

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Concept

digital experience

"They're trying to create this more digital experience, give buyers another option rather than talking to humans."

A “digital experience” here means buying a car with more steps happening online instead of in person. The hosts are discussing whether that’s becoming what customers want.

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Concept

internet sales department

"You run an internet sales department at a CDJR store. Presumably, you could be competing against Carvana one day."

An “internet sales department” is the part of a car dealership that handles people who contact them online. They’re basically the online sales team, and the show is asking whether that model might face competition from Carvana.

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Concept

subprime

"So two problems you bring up. Number one is incomplete information, particularly in subprime. And then the second is putting life back into what AI may have taken away."

“Subprime” means the customer’s credit isn’t as strong, so getting a car loan can be tougher. Dealers may need more details to figure out what they can actually qualify for and what car makes sense.

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Concept

BDC process

"Are there any tech-driven tools that you're implementing into your BDC process that are helping do that as well? Or are you more manual and more human?"

BDC is a dealership’s lead-follow-up team. They contact people who show interest and try to get them to come in and talk to a salesperson.

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Term

AI chatbots

"Well, no, I've implemented a couple of AI chatbots through Cloudbot and through ChatGPT where I can feed it as much information as I can handle, you know, there's no amount of data that can, you know, really choke an AI,"

AI chatbots are computer programs that talk to people through chat or messages. Dealers use them to respond fast and help gather the information needed to move a customer forward.

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Cloudbot

"Well, no, I've implemented a couple of AI chatbots through Cloudbot and through ChatGPT where I can feed it as much information as I can handle,"

Cloudbot is a software tool for running chatbot conversations. The dealer is using it to help automate parts of how they talk to leads.

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Term

ChatGPT

"Well, no, I've implemented a couple of AI chatbots through Cloudbot and through ChatGPT where I can feed it as much information as I can handle,"

ChatGPT is an AI tool that can write and answer questions like a conversational assistant. In this episode, it’s being used to help a dealership respond to shoppers and collect details.

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Term

word track

"a normal word track is usually something that comes off the top of the head and then it stays there in a pre-written form"

A word track is basically a prepared script. Instead of improvising, staff follow the same lines until something changes.

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Term

CRM

"What's your CRM that you use at your store? We use E-leads."

CRM is the dealership’s customer-tracking software. It helps the team keep notes on leads and manage follow-ups so customers get answered faster.

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Brand

E-leads

"What's your CRM that you use at your store? We use E-leads."

E-leads is a software system dealerships use to manage leads and customer follow-ups.

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bolt-ons

"Are you using those as kind of bolt-ons or do you have an AI-driven tool like, I know, Impel's an option in the E-lead world?"

A bolt-on is an add-on feature. Instead of changing everything, you attach extra tools to what you already use.

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Brand

Impel

"or do you have an AI-driven tool like, I know, Impel's an option in the E-lead world?"

Impel is a software tool mentioned as an option for adding AI help to dealership follow-ups.

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Term

lead providers

"So one of the big debates we have on this show quite often is who are the best lead providers? Where are you as a internet manager getting your best leads?"

Lead providers are services that bring dealerships potential customers who are already looking for a car. The dealership’s job is to contact those people and turn the interest into a sale.

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Brand

CarGurus

"Give us your top three. CarGurus is number one. CarGurus, Stellantis Prime leads we get direct."

CarGurus is a website where people shop for cars online. Dealerships use it to get leads—meaning potential buyers who are actively looking.

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Brand

Stellantis Prime

"Give us your top three. CarGurus is number one. CarGurus, Stellantis Prime leads we get direct. Those are amazing more often than not."

Stellantis Prime is a program connected to Stellantis that helps generate leads for dealerships. The idea is that the dealership gets customer inquiries more directly from the automaker ecosystem.

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Brand

Facebook Marketplace

"And then believe it or not, Facebook Marketplace puts out really good lead sources coming to us because they push our ads."

Facebook Marketplace is where people can browse listings on Facebook. Dealerships can advertise there, and some shoppers click through to the dealer’s site to contact them.

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Concept

BDC is getting compressed

"So are you are you part of the trend? There's a trend, I think, in automotive today where the BDC is getting compressed and using AI and technology..."

This means dealerships are using fewer people specifically for lead follow-up. Instead, technology helps handle some of the work, and sales staff may do more of it themselves.

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Concept

using AI and technology

"There's a trend... where the BDC is getting compressed and using AI and technology, sales people are encouraged to act in that BDC function."

They’re talking about software that helps the dealership respond to interested buyers faster—sometimes automatically. The goal is quicker contact so the customer doesn’t cool off.

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Concept

digital handoff

"Haggerty on Dealing with Product Gap, Massimilla on Digital Handoff | Daily Dealer Live"

“Digital handoff” means moving a customer from the online part of the buying process to a real person who can help them. If it’s done well, the customer gets contacted quickly and keeps moving toward a sale.

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Car

Ford F-150 Lightning

"... car gurus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's do lightning round here. New or used? Where's the better deal ..."

The Ford F-150 Lightning is an electric pickup truck. Instead of using gasoline, it runs on electricity from a battery. The podcast is talking about whether it’s smarter to buy it new or used, which affects price and overall value.

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Concept

ownership cycle

"we've talked a lot on this show about reducing the ownership cycle as a way of increasing UIO units and operation"

The “ownership cycle” is the length of time customers keep a vehicle before replacing it. Dealerships talk about shortening it (for example, through leasing or trade-in incentives) because it can increase how often customers return to buy again.

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Concept

UIO

"we've talked a lot on this show about reducing the ownership cycle as a way of increasing UIO units and operation, Pat."

UIO is likely a dealership scorecard number they track to measure sales/volume. They’re saying leasing helps raise that metric.

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Term

residuals

"We want to see OEMs come up with great leases and then protect the residuals so they can keep doing great leases by not flooding the market."

A lease ends with the car having an estimated value. That estimated value is called the residual, and it affects the monthly lease price—protecting it helps keep leases attractive.

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OEMs

"We want to see OEMs come up with great leases and then protect the residuals so they can keep doing great leases by not flooding the market."

OEMs are the carmakers themselves. They’re the ones that decide things like lease deals and incentives that dealers then offer to customers.

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Car

Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited

"best performing vehicle on your lot this month, Peter. New. Grand Cherokee Limited. 2026. Chief Grand Cherokee Limited. The best thing coming right now."

The Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited is a popular Jeep SUV trim. They’re saying it’s the top-selling new vehicle on their lot right now because it fits what most buyers want.

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Term

video MPIs

"Pat, you're doing video MPIs and service. Do you do them in sales as well? Yes, we do. We do them for new and used."

“MPI” typically means Multi-Point Inspection, where a technician checks multiple areas of a vehicle and documents findings. “Video MPIs” are inspections recorded and shared with customers, helping them understand issues visually rather than relying only on a checklist or photos.

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Term

enterprise report

"My only challenge is I don't have an enterprise report yet. So on top of 41 stores, I can't send out a ranking report."

It’s a summary report that combines data from all your dealership locations into one place. Instead of looking at each store separately, you can compare them.

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Brand

CDK

"So if anybody from CDK is listening, give me my enterprise report. I need it... don't hate me, CDK, because we're on you guys."

CDK is a company that makes software dealerships use to run their day-to-day operations. Here, they’re talking about the tools CDK provides for leads and reporting.

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Term

AI quarterback

"We like to have a term. We need somebody to quarterback our AI platform. So we have Auto Hub and we have Alpha Drive..."

They’re saying you need a person to manage the AI—checking that it’s working and making sure customers get the right follow-up. The AI can help, but someone has to steer the process.

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Brand

Auto Hub

"We need somebody to quarterback our AI platform. So we have Auto Hub and we have Alpha Drive, and we use it to be more efficient..."

Auto Hub is referenced as a dealership software platform used to run or manage AI-driven processes. The host frames it as part of a system that improves efficiency, but still requires human oversight.

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Brand

Alpha Drive

"So we have Auto Hub and we have Alpha Drive, and we use it to be more efficient, consolidate time, but at the end of the day, we still need somebody to quarterback those programs..."

Alpha Drive is another software system dealerships use to automate or speed up parts of their workflow. The hosts emphasize that it doesn’t replace people handling customer conversations.

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Brand

Alpha AI outbound tool

"I just seen with the Alpha AI outbound tool that it has increased our appointments. We can't say because of reporting if it's directly increasing our revenue..."

This is an AI tool that helps the dealership reach out to customers. They say it seems to get more people to book appointments, even if they can’t fully prove it’s boosting revenue yet.

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Term

Day supply

"All right, Peter or Pat, let's do you the most underrated metric in automotive today. Day supply. Day supply, Peter."

Day supply is a way to estimate how long your current inventory will last. If you have a lot of parts sitting around, day supply is high; if you sell through them quickly, day supply is low.

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parts department

"I think the best hire I ever made was a gentleman named Raul. Back in 2017, hired him as a lot guy, and he is now running a parts department at a Hyundai dealership."

The parts department is the dealership team that finds and sells replacement parts. They also help make sure the service shop can get what it needs to fix cars.

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Concept

EV

"as we wrap up just a curiosity on EV, we reported in the news segment that many OEMs are having to pivot in the service department as a result of supply constraints in oil."

EV means electric vehicle—cars that run on electricity instead of gasoline. The hosts are discussing how dealership service and parts demand may shift as more EVs show up.

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Concept

pivot in the service department

"we reported in the news segment that many OEMs are having to pivot in the service department as a result of supply constraints in oil."

A pivot in the service department means changing how the dealership’s service operation is run—often in response to supply issues, shifting customer demand, or new vehicle technology. Here, it’s framed as a response to constraints affecting service workflows and parts availability.

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hybrid than all electric

"it's going to be more hybrid than all electric. It's just going to keep expanding on the hybrid side of things."

They’re saying that hybrids will probably grow more than fully electric cars for a while. A hybrid uses both a gas engine and an electric motor, so it can be easier to live with than an all-electric car.

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