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A heated discussion centers around the recent seizure of 88 vehicles during a 'sideshow' event in Stockton, where attendees were penalized regardless of their participation. The hosts debate the implications of such actions, questioning the fairness of punishing bystanders and the potential for police overreach. They explore the balance between car culture and public safety, sharing personal anecdotes and opinions on how to manage car events responsibly. The conversation also touches on the challenges of teen drivers and the need for better safety features in vehicles.
Topics:
sideshow events
vehicle seizures
police overreach
teen drivers
car culture
safety features
public safety
drifting
burnouts
community events
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Camera Chaos and EVB. Hey, it is Saturday, and we got a
lot to get into. Guys, it has been a very very interesting week.
I've spent so much time talking about I want to say, one particular topic all week long. And I'm sure if you guys are paying attention to
any car news out there, you guys should obviously know this topic pretty well.
Even if you don't know the recent things that have happened. This topic's
been kicking around for a little while. So I spent all of this week
talking with tons of people about what they thought my opinion was, or commenting on what had actually happened, and just kind of going through it all.
So I thought it'd be a good opportunity to bring it to the table and see exactly what you guys think. So we're gonna jump into it. If
you don't know, I'm talking about if you guys saw in Stockton it was over eighty vehicles that were actually seized at what they're now calling a side shows.
I'm gonna air quote the side shows. They've been called a lot of
things, so I think I always thought that everybody was calling which I thought was takeovers, which when Cameron first told me that, I thought that was the dumbest name ever. But if you don't know what this is, this
is where basically a bunch of car people decide to take over an intersection or streets and then they decide to maybe do drifts or do burnout contests, whatever it is. Insert I'm going to do something here. So this last past
week, when ended up happening was they were doing the so called a sideshow and the police had prepared for it, had enough vehicles and they are basically able to stop everybody, and nobody was able to really get away. They
towed eighty eight vehicles from the occurrence. And now, as I've told you,
guys, we've talked about this in the past, and there's a lot of cities that start look into doing this. They're not giving the vehicles back.
So that has like really opened up tons and tons of conversation on this and exactly what people think and how does that even work, and so there's a lot to dive into it on it today. I mean, I guess,
so let's start with the obvious. If you are attending the side show,
or let's just say you didn't plan at tend, you stumbled across it, and now you are a day call participant because you're watching. You don't
have to be the one doing the crime, I guess. You don't have
to be doing the burnouse, you don't have to be doing the drifting and the intersection and all that kind of stuff. You were. If you're there,
you are part of the problem as far as they're concerned. And you
drove there, right, So if you drove, drove your car or you saw it and decided to pull over and watch or whatever. They got you
too, they took your vehicle as well. And so here's the crazy thing
on it. This sheriff has said that, uh, they've had more calls
that their lines have been flooded, the more calls that they can ever handle from. Rather it be the people you took cars from our attorneys or whatever
it may be. And he has just basically said, stop calling. We're
not giving the cars back. The only way you'll have an opportunity to even
think about getting your car back is once the DA decides what charges he's going to apply to each individual and then they have to go through the court system first and then their case be decided upon. Rather they ever get the car
back. And if you guys remember in past stories, and if you guys
have never seen it, go online and watch a lot of California cities.
They tried a lot of different promotions. And the cars they don't give back,
they crush with everything on it. They don't strip them. They put
you know, one hundred thousand dollars cars in the crusher and just crush it, whether your wheels, your spoiler, or your kit, your stereo.
They don't matter what it is, it gets just crushed all one ball and that's the end of it. And that is what this share plans on doing
with These cars are the ones that they decide to keep. So I guess
it kind of opens up the conversation of is is this the route to go?
Is this how we want to allow things to progress forward? And I
have a I've talked all week about this, and I I'm on both sides of the fence for certain reasons. Okay, Now I go to a lot
of car shows. I see people do a lot of stupid stuff at car
shows that attracts the wrong kind of attention to some of the shows and stuff that we go to right right, and everybody goes, well, this isn't a car show, This wasn't a car show. This is these are pop
up occurrences. Well, first of all, a lot of it's planned.
Okay, so that's not really a pop up. I hate the word pop
up because pop up? How many people? Right right right? Let's rolling
around. Let's first say we do go to a lot of car shows that
are well organized. You don't have people taking it over, so you know
it can be done the right way. You know, So it's like,
how do we prevent it from being done the wrong way and making it not happen where what you said, seventy or seventy plus cars eighty eight cars, eighty eight cars that were impounded. Think about it, and they're not going
back. They just made I'm waiting to see you know that truck that was
going around here that was like impounded by the drug force. Y yeah,
yeah. Now think about how many street cars they have that's gonna say impounded
by Texas rangers or by Texas sheriff and stuff like that. And it's not
just Texas, it's other states that's hopping on it too. So it's going
to be interesting to see if our state hops on it or any other states, to see what do you think their are I think it's interesting. I
mean I think that you know, you know, obviously what they did was wrong. They probably know that, you know. I think, you know,
if you got cut up in you know, the mischief of it all and stuff, I think they should just you know, imply you know, heavy uh, you know collection and stuff. You know, you know,
pay a really harsh fine and stuff. You know, if you're gonna tell
the car and stuff. You know, pay that fine and stuff. You
know, go your court, you know, do your date and stuff.
You know, pay your fine stuff. I think rushing it is a little
extreme. It's not especially you know, for how much value is tied up
in the cars nowadays. I would agree with the fact that that is really
okay. So if I'm not engaging, I'm not the one actually you know,
like rifts or burnout right right, put some points on people's records, you know, saying like you know, go through you know, the law way of things to say, you know, taking people's property, and you know, is that just is that just for the people that are doing it or the people that are attending and watching. I mean, I think it's
all around. I think there's a I think I think it should be all
around. So I think I think I think I think they go with that.
Then that means if you go with that theory, that means that you absolutely agree upon the fact of taking those AD eight cars because you're like, if you're going to group all together, then but not penalty not crush them, right Like obviously people are gonna you know, pay their they're fine for you know, being there, participating in the advance and stuff, but you should you know, you shouldn't be crushing cars, right, it's because you know, I mean, unless you think differently. Wise, Okay, so
I think this is what I think. I think think they should crush the
the perpetrators cars. No, ok yes, okay, I don't think they
should crush them, but I do believe that there should be some type of penalty or something like that for those that are involved there. Everybody to the
show. Just know the current heavy fee. There's other ways, you know,
to really put in, you know, perspective in people's minds other than question let me give a shoes without in our cars. Current topic right now,
we're talking about cities taking eighty eight cars from people that we're doing takeovers or what are they calling them out side show sideshows, sideshows, sideshows, people that are taking over intersections and doing burnouts. Well, city just impounded
eighty eight cars and they're not giving them back to their owners. They they
don't want to give them back. No, they don't want to give So
join us on this conversation. So here's the thought. Let's just say.
My problem with it is is I believe that we open up a really bad Pandora's box with us. Right, So if we're allowing and we're accepting that
the share so police department whatever it is in your town can just show up and sees every single car that's at a slide show, a side show, a takeover, whatever it is your city's calling it. Now that they can
just come and just arrest everybody and take all the cars and whatever. Okay,
and we're something that that's just gonna be what it's gonna be. Right.
I just believe that opens up a really bad box because now it's it's any it's interpretation of what it is, you understand. So let's just say
that we all get together like we have many times, and we do a charity car show, and at the charity car show, some idiots, which always happens, decides to go act like a fool just outside of our event.
And then the police go, well, we're just gonna go ahead, and they stop the event. And now they decide, okay, because we've
done it in the past, now we're just gonna go ahead. And because
everybody was in attendance and saw it from a distance or saw it up close to whatever it is, that We're now just gonna impound all those cars.
Okay, I think it opens that Pandora's box for that because now it's up to police to decide what they believe is stuff about, and we know how bad that's gone in the past. Don't get wrong, I understand there has
to be something done. But if you open it up for interpretation, the
interpretation is always gonna be there. You're always gonna get that one assn heavi
right, It's gonna just he just wants to give the heaviest fines while he's there. I've had it happen live in front of me, where we've been
at certain events and the police have shown up because of idiots, and before you know it, they're walking and looking at everything on a car and looking for anything that they can ding you a ticket on. I've watched that personally
happen, and it irritated me as a car guy, because I get it.
I understand what you're trying to stop. You're trying to stop the stupidity
outside, just outside the events, But then when you carry that in and you leave that interpretation wide open, where now they're just trying to pick I've watched events that we've gone to and the police have set out sat outside the event and wait for people to leave, just to pull the car over to give violations for whatever it may be. Now we all know and again we've
been at events where we've gone to problem, no problems. We've had officers
bring their cars to the event and start showing them up right, it can be done the right way. And that just brings me to the thing of
why has it the city done anything for us to do it the right way.
They're just and I don't want to get into it too much, it just feels like they're in it for the money. Because as much money as
you've collected from these people, these eighty eight people in this one city, why haven't you built them a lot, an empty lot that you host events, city events for you bring local food. Because they don't want the events
in their city. I mean that's what I come down. I understand they
don't want the events in their city. But we've proven time to time and
it's all over the news. It obviously brings people to your city, So
why not make money. You're talking about two different things, right, two
different things right, because you can't get away from the ruckus there's always gonna be that ruckus right. And that's you know, most people, I mean
most people you know they go to they go to shows. Everything goes ways
right, but you know there's people that show up to go to that rock handled the right way when we went to H two oh. I went to
H to A one time and I was already down there going it's being handled completely the wrong way. Well, because they had said something to prove before
there was anything to prove, that prooved, you know what I mean.
It's like they went out on the streets with the patrol cars with something to prove, with something to prove, or they were trying to instigate it.
It felt like you could make a lot of money off of that. You
could have made it into a whole car event. Why why haven't you guys
done it yet? We got Sema because Sema can do it. I'm telling
you that they don't show. I don't think you're really listening. They don't.
They don't want that event in their cities. Like I said, you
can't, but they do. But they do. They do what they don't
a certain degree. Right. It's not like you want those nice big car
shows wise and stuff, but like I said, you can't get away from that ruckus and stuff. And there's people that go to see that ruckus and
stuff, you know, ah two zero and stuff. Is it was a
little bit you know, you know, a little gray zone and stuff.
You know, you went there for the car shows and stuff, but there was ruckus to be seen. Okay, So let me give you this,
as Cameron says, Sema, Right, Seema happens every year in Vegas.
It brings caring through is from all over the place. Right. We'd agree,
we've been there, we've seen it's hard to have rockets in Vegas.
But here's the thing. You have all these cars coming and going. We
see all kinds of cars up and down the strip for the whole week actually starting before the weekend that are just really nice cars, fast cars and stuff.
And there's people doing a little bit of extrons exhibition of speed here and there, but they're not grabbing cars and seizing cars. And people go,
oh, well it's different. No, it's not. Because when we were
at Seaman stuff and we do it, you know, you get people that meet up in parking lots and they have their own little car show after after Seema's hours because you know Seema, you go every single day and it usually tapers off at about seven o'clock. Really is when the party kind of ends
until the next day. The parties go outside of the convention center and end
up in parking lots of place where people are doing their own little car shows and stuff. And people are showing up with all different kind of cool cars,
and they don't have the craziest They're able to control it, and they're not trying to seize everybody's cars and you know, I mean stuff like that.
They're handling it with the people that are, you know, doing wrong and moving on. They're not, you know, trying to you know,
kill it for everybody. And I understand there. Look, I get it,
shutting down intersections and doing all kinds of crazy stuff. It's nuts,
I get it. But those people should be punished. It's not I'll get
So I'll give you a perfect example, right I can't. I got to
take commercial break. I got an example for you guys when we come back
from commercial break that will kind of explain where why I'm on both sides of the fence of this because I am I realize I'm right on that fence and I teeter back and forth, and I get it, but it's there's so much to it, right, There's so much that you need to go into to try to break it down, and I can't do it in the first segment. So the whole tight. Let me take a quick commercial break.
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Now back to your host Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back.
So in the first segment we were talking about, and it's a big topic that's been going all all week is the slideshow and the takeovers and the reaction from the police and this big, huge eighty eight car towing thing out of stocked and so, like I said, I know I'm on both sides of the fence of this, it seems like and I'm not trying to be wishy washy about it at all. I just I can understand both sides of
it because I've seen it as many car shows. I mean, you guys
remember, you know, and and of course a year, you know, we have fifty two different shows. I mean that's a that's a lot of
different shows and stuff to be at to have staff out, and the different pictures were taken the things that we see. So with that being the case,
we see a lot a lot. I see great shows and I see
things that going a little bit crazy. I've been at night shows that have
been fine. I've been at night shows that have just gotten completely insane.
So it's it's a call. It's a car culture, right. I don't
think you're gonna change car culture by impounding people's cars and crushing all that kind of stuff. You're not. You're not gonna deter it. They're just gonna
find different ways. And then you know, Camera says, well, we
need to get the city to you know, get involved and be involved and stuff like that. That think I think he's a little delusion on his on
his on his ways of thinking. But I understand what we say, hold
on Because there are certain cities that were opening up airports and stuff like that.
There were closed and letting events happen on the airport grounds. We had
stuff in our own area that were happening in warehouse areas where the warehouse people who owned the property, and then they still showed up control areas, but designated certain police still showed up and there were still issues, and we're like, wait a minute, they're on private property, and they're like, well, you're performing, you're h using your car in an unprofessional manner. So
that's how we're now involved. And it's like, wait a minute. It'd
be like if I was at a racetrack and all of a sudden police showed up at a racetrack and went, well, I don't agree with the way that you're what you're doing with your car here, So we you know, I mean, that's kind of the way I see it. It's like,
here's the example. So there's a story to directly connected to the Stockton eighty
eight car toad story that there was a gentleman that was in Teu. He
was I guess he must have a car that Now keep in mind, if I say this. Not all the cars that were impounded are cars. You
go, wow, I can see that car at one of those shows.
See some of these were just corollas, like regular like regular cars. So
this this guy's in town and his story, he tells. Now, I
can't say this story is true because this this sounds like a really plausible excuse I tried to use if I got caught. I was, I was just
in town and I saw some smoke and I thought there might be an accident, so I, you know, got out to go help with the accident and found myself with you know middle Yes it is. I found myself in
the middle of a slide show and and stuff. He said. I thought
if I showed my hotel receipts show and I was at a hotel of the rod because I was in town on business and the fact that you know, this is what I do. And no, they didn't get him out of
anything, you know what I mean. But let's okay, hold on,
let's just let's play Devil's Advocate. Right. I'm driving down the road and
I come across eight and I'm a car guy now, and I come across somebody doing a slide show or and stuff, and I'm like the world and of course I pull over the side road because I'm a car guy. I
ain't gonna lie. I'm want I'm gonna go check it. I'm gonna go
check it out. I'm gonna see what's going on. And then just justice,
just as I get out, there's there's you know, there's there's the ponice po po's everywhere. And now I'm getting my car towed. I'm heated.
I ain't gonna lie like I'm I'm I wasn't doing the act. What
what about the people that are walking down the sidewalk and they just come across it and they did even drive a car there? What'd you do to them?
Anything to them? I mean, like, why'd you let it go
on for so long? Well, because they're pop ups, pop ups,
the bait, the bait and tackles. You know, a situation where like
they wait for everybody, like just they bait you and they wait for everybody to get there. And then I've had that happen. So but like I
said, I mean, it's just it's one of those things. What about
that guy and if his story is true and it's accurate, and he says Hey, I just happened to be driving through the area and I got swept up in the you know, the police invasion before I know it. Now
I'm facing all this different stuff. What about those guys. You're not gonna
believe me. It doesn't matter what I say, You're not gonna believe me.
And let's just say I happen to have just a Mustang G T or something and I was driving something that looks right, that looks like it belongs at that event, and I just happen to come to that intersection and I'm waiting in traffic like everybody else because they've taken over the intersection. And then
you swoop in and you're like, oh, Mustang GT. He must have
been there at he must be at the event. Right. They're not biased,
right, They're right, you're there. You're guilty it right exactly.
So I just that is where I believe the problem comes in for me.
That's where I believe that there's, uh, you can't leave this so wide open to just interpretation for police officers to make decisions and stuff like that.
And then and of course you got to share who's going to back it and be like, good job, We're showing, you know, I mean, because he's got political motives. Obviously, if he's taking care of these events
and he's politicizing it that they looked what we've done, that's great for him, right, yeah, right, I mean, that's great for him.
So there's a lot of different avenues and pieces to put this together that make it conflicted for me to sit on one side the other. Like one side,
I can see you know, I don't want anybody to get hurt either, and stuff like that. On the other side of the thing, I
go, okay, Well, if I mean, I'm a car guy, I ain't gonna lie I'm a car guy. If you start doing Smoky Brodie's
I'm you're gonna have my attention. That's what brought us all to the car
culture in the first place, is people doing insane things with cars. What's
the question for me? But we we didn't go to car shows and stuff
like that to go cool. Look at this this. Look at this really
cool Toyota eighty eight Toyota Corolla that's started up that's just parked here in a parking spot. Let me can I stand in front of it and take pictures?
We do be right, right, right? We're looking for the insane,
the cool, the attention that is the call culture. So of course
if it happens to be doing burnouts to somebody, don't make it look right.
I mean, it's just the silliest thing. Ever. I don't get
it. Do I think that there should be punishments for the crime? Yes,
sure, absolutely? Should they match the crime, right, they should
match the crime, you know what I mean? The difference between the guy
doing doing the doing this drifting and the guy standing there watching on the sidewalk isn't exact actually the same thing. Yet they're like, oh, well this
car, attend it. We're a take into your car, and don't ask
me to get it back because we're gonna we want to crush that thing because it looks cool on TV to do that in front of news reports. That's
just that's what I take from it. Like I said, once again,
I get it. We need to do something to keep people safe and stuff.
You know, there's a car show that I attend here in town, and the biggest reason why the controversy over it all is there's a lot of groups that don't attend and won't go. And well, the reason why they
won't attend won't go is because nonsense doesn't tolerated and they know that, right, So they won't come to that event because the event's been going on for a while and they don't want people disrupting it and they don't want to get kicked out of their current area they have. So I get all that completely
right. But at the same point in time, if there's fifty people that
belong to kind of that group and only twenty five more knuckleheads, the other twenty five won't attend your event because they're like, oh, well, they're too stiff on the rules, or so there's a lot of controversy goes back forth, and I get it. We also end up running into a lot
of these events happening intersections and stuff like that. There's knuckleheads don't get wrong,
but the average case, it's almost like, if you entice the average guy that probably wouldn't do anything, he's gonna do it once he's enticed, Right, I mean, I maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying.
You know, I can tell you right now, if I had a fast car and I pulled up and a guy spun a three sixty in an intersection or something like that, and then another guy spun a three sixty intersection.
There may be a good chance that you found me spinning my car. And
I'm not saying i'd condone it. I'm just saying I'm a car guy and
I'm being a realist. I'm taking taking the chance, right, you know
you're taking the chance once you go ahead and do it. Am I gonna
sit here and tell you that I've never done a burnout on a public road?
No? Am I gonna tell you that I've never drifted my car into
a U turn. No, I'm not gonna tell you that's never happened either.
I mean, like car guys or car guys, we do dumb stuff, but there's I think of maturity comes a lot with that too, though, you know, I mean like as you get a little bit older, the risk versus the reward tends to outweigh one of the other. But it
is a call a car culture. I mean, this is just people have
been drag racing on public roads for way back before my time, before my dad's time. It hasn't changed, is it right, No, of course
it's not. It's against the law. But if people still doing it,
absolutely now, drifting is huge. You know, everybody loves drifting, so
now instead of you find them racing, you find them drifting in places they have no business drifting. I agree with you guys one hundred percent. But
do you think that that's gonna change, that's gonna stop. It's not.
It's not gonna change. It's not gonna stop. People do. People with
fast machines do fast things. That's just what happens. If you guys are
on Facebook. I actually just put a couple of photos up and you'll be
able to see them right here. Popped up for a second. So I
just I saw Mark a Mark. What's going on, buddy? So I
saw Mark. He's like, doesn't take much to promote bad behavior, it
it? It doesn't it. You can take somebody very mild manner, right
who and we all know each ocession in this area. We all know each
other quite a bit, you know, we running each other all over the place. And you could be a normal guy, you could be me.
We're all just shows out. I'm happy, go lucky. If anybody's ever
met me in person, and a lot of you guys have, you know, at all the different events we've gone across the country and stuff like that.
I'm always open, friendly in talk with people, and I'm just a happy, go lucky guy ninety nine percent of the time. But I like
cars. I like muscle, I like speed. I'm not going to tell
you I don't want to see what that car can do. I mean,
I'd be lying if I told you that. I'm not gonna sit here and
lie to you. Do I think that there's a way to approach it.
Like I said, so the cities used to have, like they used to open up the airports and you can go play around the airports and stuff like that, and they have these events and everything was good, and then they start closing those down and stuff like that. So then it kind of went
back to the street again. And now here we are back in the street.
I can't count how many illegal drag races I have seen, not because I went to go find it, because I just happened to be leaving a car event and you stumble across it. And you guys know, I live
out in the country. You come across back roads, and I come across
two cars I just saw the car show. They're now lined up on one
of the back country roads and they're they're letting it rip. I mean,
it's just just what it is. So Becky said, there's a big hold
my beer mentality when it comes to what someone can do with their car.
And watch this there it is, like I said, I I like I said, I sit on the fence on this really hardly because I am a car guy and I love cars, and I get the understanding of trying.
Look, the weirdest thing ever in the car culture is is we have there's a lot of girls in the car culture too, but all of us build our car up right for other people to look at and judge what we've done.
We don't put, you know, fifty thousand dollars into a car to let it sit idled, and you know, all the time there's time you're gonna show what it's capable of doing. Rather that's in the right setting of
the wrong setting. That's a whole nother story. But we're not building these
cars up and spending all our time wrenching on them, and we're paying somebody to put parts on. Whichever one you are, you could be one of
the guy does it yourself if you pay somebody to do it, either or I respect you either way. But you're not doing all that. It's weird
because people say, you know, guys, there's the strangest type of people because they put all this time into a car for another guy to judge them, you know what I mean. Which isn't that a little weird? Yeah?
And girls, it is. I'm just I'm using it. But the
cold culture in girls, the car culture and girls has grown so much in like the last ten years, and we've watched it. I see so many
women building cars and wrenching on cars now and showing up and I love it.
I think it's great for the you know, for this hobby if you want to call it that. Some people call, you know, it a
sport culture. Man, It's it's just a culture, and I think it's
great. I have met so many great people doing this, and you respect
those relationships with people because it's fun. You know, when the season comes
around, you get to see these people, get to hang out, you guys, have a good time, stuff like that. But it's all based
around one thing. Let's be honest, guys, cool car speed, muscle
power. It's all built around that one culture. And you can't prosecute everybody
because they're just car people. And I just believe that's just what this is,
what's happening. I mean, anybody that I know, if you told
me I'm gonna take your car and I'm gonna crush it because you happen to be near in attendance whatever it is an event, but you weren't participating.
You just had to be there. Is the craziest law I've ever heard of.
Like Becky said, you don't build it up to show it and not play with it unless it's a classic or even that. Yeah. Absolutely,
cars are not meant to stay in the garage or on a trailer or anything like that. Hey, guys, I gotta take a quick commercial break.
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Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist. Now back to
your host Dave Pilach. Hey, guys, welcome back. So here's another
part of this debate, right that I was talking about if okay, we all agree that our our teenagers don't make the best decisions sometimes, well do some Ah, you guys didn't make the best decisions, say people the teenagers.
Because this is this was part of the debate I was having this one.
Let's just say that your team driver finds himself in mom's vovo. Oh
no, at this event. That's I was saying, right, like,
you know what I mean, Like, so now you know what what do you The vovo has been seen, the family's vovo has been seeing the car.
You took it for the night, right, you take for the movie.
So that's why I'm trying to say, like, you can't leave it as a broad spectrum of things, you know what I mean? Like that's
kind of the problem. The reason why it's funny because it kind of it's
the first call for your mom to hear, Hey Mom, so yeah your car? Yeah I got the Volvo. Not only it's impounded, it's gonna
get crushed next week. Yeah right, exactly. Well, here's the thing,
like I said, the craziest thing about this is they have received tons and tons of telephone calls, you know, like how do I get my car back? And the sheriff and the DA or an agreement, they are
not letting these people have their cars back. And if you even have a
channel to get your car back, you have to go. The DA has
to figure out what he's charging you with. Then you have to wait for
your court case, go completely through your court case, and then be charged or not charged or whatever. And then even then they'll make based on pop
based on what you got prosecuted with and found guilty of. Of how they're
going to decide if they're gonna give a car back or not give a car back. Eighty eight p imagine imagine the feet. I don't know about you
all, but I have waited sometimes to go to court for four months.
I mean, so four months without your car? Was that three four weeks
ago we were just talking about that. One city raised two million dollars in
revenue over ticket or tickets, right. I think they must have solved this.
It was like, wait a minute, let's let's do this, but have something here. Well, you can't, like I said, you know,
this is there's a lot that goes into decisions like this. You know,
it has to be a little bit political because sheriffs are elected and stuff like that. So of course this makes a huge splash for him in the
headlines. And I'm not saying that was his motivation. I'm just saying it.
And then, like I said, you throw in the teen element of it with people who aren't you know, teaeners don't always make the best decisions.
It's funny because this week totally can do a different topic. I got
some questions like, hey, you know, so when you have teen drivers, how the prepared you know to have teen driver in your house and what they expect, And I'm like, well, there's there's really no there's you can't prepare yourself for it. Really, I mean, you just you're right.
So I can tell you that with teen drivers, the best thing I think is is getting behind the wheel as soon as you can. Rather's out
in the parking lot or whatever. And let them start driving way before it
ever comes time. I mean, I had my kids and I'm different,
so don't go by what I did. But now, well, for when
you guys are learning how to back up the trailer in the truck, you guys were older, yeah, eleven years old like so, and tractors, you know what I mean. Yeah, they were driving tractors and all kinds
of stuff. I mean young ages. So that's just me and that got
them used to being comfortable behind the wheel of things. But I think the
best thing you do is take them out of parking lots and stuff. Everybody's
like, well, you know what about when they start driving, what to expect, And I said, well, here's the thing you need to prepare yourself. When you have a team drive in your house. The cost factor
of it is more than probably what you're going to think about. It costs
you about seven thousand dollars a year per kid to have them drive. Really,
I mean, it's really the cost a year to add a team driver with the added gas they're going to burn through the vehicle, they cost, the insurance and stuff, well, maintenance isn't even in there, because that's just literally a cost of insurance and gas. So I always say the best
way to prepare it is to tell that teenager to get a job, like I had my kids. They went and got jobs at fifteen years old,
because I was like, because Dad's not going to cover all this expense.
It's not I just don't think you learned that way. Car. Welcome to
the big world. That's that's what I said to him, And like,
you want to drive a car, Welcome to the world. We didn't just
wreck one car, We wrecked two cars day. The car is no we
went through. We went through a wrecking period of cars around here where I
mean, it seemed like every like other week something was wrecked and as soon as I got it back from the body shop, it was wrecked again.
It just what we went through. But the cost to pare yourself to answer
the question, to prepare yourself for the cost of having a teen driver, just expects what it's gonna cost you, probably about seven thousand dollars and hope they don't get stuck at one of these slideshow ad aanswer takeovers and you lose the family car for you know, four months until the DA decides what he wants to do with your your child. You understand it's getting crushed right right.
It's like I said, It's just it's amazing to me how all these different things go. I mean, imagine, I you know, I had
two team drivers in my house. I was worried every time they left the
house because I'm like, oh, I got two teen drivers and different vehicles and hopefully both those vehicles make it back safely. Well, good thing for
you. You could hear Nathaniel from miles away, so you knew if you
was, oh yeah, yea, yeah, yeah yah yah. As long
as this car is still making noise miles away, we know it was still running down the road, you know what I mean. But sure it goes
into things. It's it's crazy. So it technology is changing in cars,
right, so we you know, use the technologies that we've had and stuff, and we try to keep our kids safe and all that kind of stuff.
And I've told you guys about putting tracker systems on your cars. It
helps with team driving and keeping track of what they're up to and stuff like that. Some people say, oh, I don't want to feel like I'm
invading my kids privacy, invader kids privacy. I don't care what you say,
invade your kids privacy, it's not that big of invasion. If they
can, if they're trustworthy enough to put them behind the wheel of a car, then they shouldn't be worried about the fact that you got a tracker on the car that you can want to save. As a teenager, I really
didn't like having a tracker on me, you know, probably because it was always brought up that I was doing something wrong. But I'm twenty three now
and I still have the app on my phone and the tracker software and I message him all the time. I'm like, just got home hull. So
I use it to my advantage and stuff. And what I used to hate,
I now love. Let me. So, with tracking devices being huge,
right, I mean they sell a lot for cars and stuff like that, don't you think that's just something we ought to just add to cars.
This is a feature like every car that every car should just already have a tracking feature on. It is installed. You don't need to buy it as
a secondary source like we had and stuff like that just to add it as a feature. So, and it's funny that you say that because they already
have GPS in the car, the car already knows immediately where it is.
I've always said, why not put a family tracker in it? And yes,
some manufacturers do sell the future, but it's a description based. Why
don't we put like a little black box that we're able to Well, they already have black box level and it's not available to us as the consumer and the owner that owns that car. We can't just go normally access to our
black box data. You know, we should be able to pull up where
that car has been. There's how fast my speech from the touchscreen as we
know, Uh, having a source like that, laws need to be changed, so it benefits us. I'll tell you guys, you know, having
the track and stuff like that. I've told you guys before I've got I
got my kids out of many tickets because the information the police provided versus what the tracker said was didn't coincide with what the story the please officer told that worked in certain situations until I needed it for my own And I told you I ended up getting the ticket recently. Well, we we're probably we're going
to be eight nine months now. But I said I got that ticket because
state law doesn't recognize self driving vehicle features yet and even know that that my car has a data source that you can show. There's no way in the
world I was speeding and stuff and that's not something I could have. You
know that I can generate anything different. Uh, the state doesn't recognize.
So state law needs to change if you're going to use it in that fashion.
If you're using the tracking software just basically keep tabs on your kids, it's great. I think we should add it to every single car. Here's
a question, all right, So Becky said, invade the privacy because not doing so can cost you big bucks. Oh, big bucks in the long
run. It is, if you could add a feature, a new feature
to a car that doesn't already exist, what would it be? I think
about it. There's a lot of features out there's a lot stuff in development
right now too that we talk about a lot. But if you could add
one feature, what would it be. I don't understand why we haven't.
I don't understand why we haven't made blinkers automatic yet. You know, we
talked about this because you can't anticipate what you're going because you're not when you're driving straight right, you're not doing this with the wheel, you know, So anytime you want to make a churn, it should know Okay, he's making a churn. I believe that with the new camera systems that what you're
talking about would work because the camera's watching the road and as soon as it sees it, the white lines or whatever move just a little bit to one side of the other, that sha automatically activate. Becky says remote killer switch.
I feel like that would be a little bit dangerous. Becky, you
go get your groceries. You just you know, hit the little kill switch.
But and as he's driving down the road, I mean you I had I had a customer's car that, uh, the key fob was bad, so it thought that the car was being stolen, so it kept turning off the car and the customer refused to believe that that's what their problem was.
But the way that the key and I don't know exactly, I want to be honest with you, I don't know exactly how exactly that works, but it had it. It was a chipped key inside of it, and I
think the key that chip with the battery ends up being magnetized a little bit to the key. But there was a small break withinside the key. So
every time the key jiggled, okay, off the car. Well it would
go into like some of those cars have alternators that turn on and turn off based upon you know, start and stop. So the alternator sometimes spinning,
sometimes it's not, and it's you need to know which one you have.
But I think the car kept losing the signal every time the key would bounce.
In the admission, it lost that signal because the key inside was actually broken and you did you couldn't tell because the key was there, and the car thought it was being stolen, so to go in theft mode and just shut itself down? Why the custom and then and then you couldn't get to
start, and the customer failed to believe that was it. And I was
trying to explain it to them. I was just like, look, I
believe this is what it is. Throw this key away, throw it in
the trash. She gave me this the other key, and as soon as
I put the other key and the car start right up and they never had any problem. And I'm like, it's it's it's your key. But we
went through everything trying to figure out what it was before that, and who'd ever thought it had been a key? So technology and shutting the cars down
stuff like that. Huh, what would you add back to our conversation.
If I had needed to add anything to a car, I would probably add a safety feature that if it can detect rather somebody really should behind the wheel or not. Now, I know we have the thing that says coffee,
like pull over and drink a cup of coffee. Some cars have that now
because of the car, it goes over the line too much stuff like that, But I think they really need to be something that rather it's facial recognition or whatever it is, and stuff like that that it can keep people from driving don't need to be That's Cora. I was gonna go with a question
on that. Then would you be okay instead of the car turning itself off
or you know, slowing you down and stuff, would you be okay if your car automatically dispatched a police officer to you ooh, and you get a wellness check on you behind the wheel. I don't know. Let me pose,
I gotta take a commercial break. Let me think about that. On
commercial break, I'll come back to give you my answer. So you guys,
hold tight, let me think about that. I don't know, what
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back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist. Now back to your
host, Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back to the show.
So we've been talking about all kinds of topics today. We talked about the
Slide Show and be having cars taken over and Toad and impounded. We talked
about team drivers and now that kind of affects into some of that and some of the decisions they make. And then we're now talking about features and stuff
that could be you know, added to cars. If you ever had to
add a feature, you know, I thought about one of the things I was talking about safety features, Right, So if you had, like, you know, I wanted to add some type of safety features. What about
something that has to do with team driving. What if you had where the
car can be certain aspects of the car can be set for a team driver, like car has to be returned by a certain time, or you know what I mean, Like you could put like if your curfews eleven, there's a countdown that starts on the car, you know what I mean, Like you better get a bag. Pretty interesting, Yeah, you know what I
mean. So I mean, I don't know. So I got Fred on
the line. I think cameras getting ready to get him loaded up. He's
over there playing around. Hold on cam he you lost them? Yeah that's
all right. So anyway, if you, like I said, if you
had to add a feature, what would it be. Some people are like,
oh, you know, a kill feature. But then it's like,
what type of kill feature would you add? I think any like I said,
any safety improvements that you can put that are together, right, they increase your driving experience or can make the call car experience better. Yeah,
I mean to make it a little bit better. I think my pick would
be more of a AI assistant, so a better one. So I know,
we have like simple ones that you know, like change the music, you know, but like some that you know helps you change like the weather or you know, reads facial expressions or you know kind of like you know, just kind of make the experience all around. And you know, if
you want to know the weather real quick, you know, it pops it up real quick. You know, more of an assistant friendly for your car.
I think that's gonna be a big thing. Okay, So my thought
process on it is if so, facial recognition is huge right now, right, so they've been playing around with it in cars for a while. And
then you know, we talked about the fact that you know, we talked about this a lot, that the car can read your facial expression, then they can determine what mood it believes you're in, and then it can set a mood to make if you're tired, right, no, if you're tired to stop by seven eleven. I think that would be a game changer.
Right, Well, then if seven eleven gotten mentioned, it would be a huge game changer for seven promotion. But if you're like, where can I
get a coffee from? And it's like, here's a couple of coffees,
you know you obviously need one, right, you know? Whatever it is?
Right? Oh, all right, cameras has got Fred loaded up.
Hey for what's going on? Buddy? Oh yeah, how are we doing
today? Old man? Creative? We are doing good. But we'll just
listen to the show. Great, great show. By the way, great
show. And uh it brought back some memories from a mom. They would
go back to the year nineteen and five three. That is a class driver
at fifteen years old when I was back in that day. So I had
my driver's licen. About a month or so, me and a buddy mine
decided to go riding on a Sunday afternoon around about seventeen and now just south of Yaltown and get the open road going. See how fast the car would
go. And just for what it is worth, fifty one Chevrolet when it
was new stalmped all the way to the floor. You could go ninety two
and a half mile night. As as fast as that thing would go,
it got right between the ninety and then ninety five, and that it then the trouble started. The car pulled out in front of me. I swerved
missed the car that pulled out in front of me, and there was a turned out to be a state trooper caught a head on towards me, and it was a fifty one pointy. It was off duty. He had pulled
to the right his right. I pulled and we squeezed together between the car
that pulled out in front of me at ninety some Milena and the fifty one PINTI and we scraped it went by that stup trooper went into the ditch.
I went over and turned over in the middle of the road. Nobody was
hurt. Nobody was hurt. Okay, I might say that I am probably
one of the reasons that they change it from begetting your drivers I at fifteen.
Okay. Now, the other thing of it is the changes I would
have made based on that little conversation would be a warning system inside the car, and as soon as I started to get above this feed of them, a warning system would come on and say, hey, fread hey, Fred, if you do slow down, I'm calling your daddy. That would be
the one I would put into the car. I would Yes, that's the
only way I can put that one. Well. See, so three sixty
communications, the one that we use, the tracking one that we had.
It told me everything that they always did, so tell me if they accelerate away from a light too fast, if they break too hard, if they broke the speed limit. It sent me those reports regularly, and I would
call them. I'm like, look, it just says they would be like
they'd argue me. Oh I didn't. On my half, I'm like so
many text messages spread from from him texting me and going, hey, uh, why are you doing eighty down this road? Slow it down? Right?
I mean like in that system worked really well. I just think that
maybe we look at it as a as a permanent thing. And to answer
the question, the question that Cameron pose was like do you want like the car to call the police for you and stuff like that. No, I
don't. I just I think government outreach is already way too much, their
overreach on everything. It's just one less thing I want them to be involved
in, you know. I mean, I think we should raise our kids.
We don't need you know, call right exactly. Yeah, if you
want it, you call it. It's there. Yeah. So I don't
know. That's a good story, buddy, Like I said, I mean,
it makes me think about it for sure, Cameron. But we'll talk
to you. So there you go. There's one of those things where you
have, uh you you have to think about it. I mean, I
I think that we don't put an enough features into cars for safety concerning like team drivers or stuff like that. Maybe that's a feature you do put into
it. I don't know, Like I said, the system that we used
for them and we still I still use it, and my wife has it on her car and I track. It's not like I'm sitting there staring at
or anything like that. But if I go, oh, man, she
said she's gonna be home in thirty minutes, I wonder where she is.
I hid it and it tells them exactly where she is, and I'm like, oh, she must have stopped here, Okay, whatever. But I
think as we've got used it with bad accidents and it has happened and told me where they're at when they couldn't call me. Yeah, mine, I
mean a good thing and a bad thing though, right, So it's great on that end of the side, right when you need it, except but weapons when you know it becomes a main thing in every car, and courts start so peinting that information is stuff to use against you because they know that information is seeing. And you're totally right. And I know where need's going
with this because I've thought about that. You know, if you do put
these black box and I keep calling it a black box because it's because right now, like it's like an airplane black box, you know. But if
they do start putting knees in the cars and they do start meant like making men, you can you can't lie, Yeah, you can't lie the information stored. Once again, the courts are gonna have to figure out how to
accept this technology and make laws into it because I said it didn't do me any good. And you guys here, I'm a little bitter on this,
but I'm not. I get it, and I understand. But my car
said that I wasn't doing anything wrong. It's not like the car could fabricate
it whatever. The car clearly said that I wasn't speeding. The police officer
says, I was my thing showed where I drove. Here's the thing,
guys, I've told you like it's the whole New York trip on average, I only went three miles an hour with the speed limit on the complete average of that trip from New York back to here. I mean, I can't
tell you I wasn't habitually speeding by any means. But like I said,
the officer said something different, and your word means nothing in court, and laws aren't governed towards self driving teachers yet on cars. Doesn't matter what that
car says, what that car can produce, the information that it can give you to take the court. It did me no good, and even the
judge said, and I was irritated, But I get it, Like I said, I'm an adult. I get it. There's no presidents set on
what to do with self driving car information. Therefore, he couldn't make a
ruling in my favor based on the information I gave him. But as I
said to me, that which is what I said made it mad, was you could set presidents in your own court by you know, deciding for me, right, and that would be what is available. I'm gonna care if
you go against me. I just want to know we set a president right.
Yeah. I was like so and that's what I said, And I
think that irritated him because I was just like, we could and you can make history right now by you know, voting. In my fab we used
Life three sixty or three sixty two. It can call the police or there's
a love it one of the best things we ever used. We know that
for by personal experience. It dispatched the police for Dawn and it dispatched the
plae for me. So that's why we love it. If you guys don't
know it, go check it out. Live three sixty is a great thing
to use. Put it on it. It's there to help when you can't
that No, guys, I cannot believe it. Sorry to the end of
the show. I had some other things I want to talk about. We
just didn't get to it and stuff. But if you guys want to go
check it out, go look at Toyta has a very new feature. It's
a cargo feature. They put a pattern for it. That's an inflatable bag
like that goes on a lid that inflates inside the bed for the space that you're not using and keeps your cargo from moving around. It's actually pretty neat.
I saw it. Somebody sent me interesting Thanks for sending that to me.
I thought it was an interesting article. I read it. I can't
remember who was, but one of the listeners sent it to me, so it was neat and that No, guys, it is that time. It
is Saturday. Sunday's right around the corner. Make sure you unplug, spend
some time with your kids, fire up the grill, play a board game with them, whatever you do, hide those cell phones and just enjoy your time as a family. And then, know what, we're gonna go ahead
and get out of you. Guys, got anything before we leave during your
weekend. We'll see you next week, all right, Night moves, Yeah,
yeah, night moves. We'll talk to you guys soon. We're out
of here.
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