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Hello, welcome to Carcass. I'm Matt, the most rangerly Andrew here with Bill Goldberg.
We're starting off in third gear this morning. We're chatting a little bit off the air and already went down the rabbit hole over ridiculous car builds and stuff.
Let's just touch on it real quick before you even get started. Why we're laughing is because of the day and age that we're in.
People are doing anything for likes and views when it comes to automobiles as in every other part of existence right now.
And you were talking about somebody putting the hellcat on the prowler, but I was laughing about the fact that my buddy Clint, who comes over from CGC, has a Fort Fiesta.
And he has it for obvious gas savings. And he's got a big truck that he's been driving around as far as mom gives him the Fiesta.
And to make an extremely long story short, we're talking about getting eyeballs on things and doing ridiculous stuff.
I looked at him the other day because I rag on him every time he comes over with this car and he'll honk and he'll rev the engine and I'm going to put a 12 inch lift on this thing.
He's going to let he's going to let me do it. And then I'm going to put I don't know I'm going to put some big monster drag radio.
I don't know if I'm going to make it the most ridiculous anything that he lets me do.
I'm going to call sponsors and see if they'll jump on board and just give me stuff to make this arguably the most ridiculous looking Fort Fiesta in the world just because he's letting me.
So right now it's it's stock and he's just driving it because it's just like a commuter car that good gas mileage or whatever.
So it's not instantly because he didn't want anybody to see him drive.
Yeah.
So what we were talking about is yes, some of the ridiculous swap.
So somebody swapped this shop.
They did a nice job.
So the shop is called Michael's auto design.
I'll bring it up for the for the YouTube guys.
And they swapped a hellcat into the Plymouth Prower.
Now it's all blacked out. It looks good.
They wanted to keep the car as stock as possible. There's some vents on the hood.
So they did a nice job. It was like why? Why? Why do it?
Now, this one particularly if I mean if you're going to do it, they put a six speed manual, which wasn't available the manual.
And they ended up doing a Google components independent rear suspension in the back. So here's the hellcat.
It's a little bit of a video, but you can't really get the sound here.
And you know.
We're talking about it. We're talking about it, right?
And at the end of the day, anybody can do anything they want to a gun, to an automobile, to a house, because it's their own prerogative.
It's their own, you know, they're taking ownership of it.
Yeah.
It's just it's not a car I would buy. It's not a car I would have.
And so why?
I don't know. But hey, to each his own man.
Hey, at the end of the day, they did a great job. It looks like they did a great job.
The customer came to them and said, I've got this prerogative, you know, like maybe he already had it.
And he was like, I don't drive it much. It's an automatic. It's slow.
But, you know, for whatever reason, I like the car. It's got history or sentimental value.
And they said, or, or, you know, maybe they just thought it was cool.
And they're like, what can we do to it? And, you know.
Well, now we see a prerogative that's actually worth a little bit of money.
Because I, I, I mean, if you're going to have a prerogative, that's the one to have.
I agree. If you're going to have a prerogative, I have this.
So, you know, we hear about the story about how there was a design exercise at the art center in Pasadena.
And when Chip Fouce was a student, he, he designed the hemisphere, which he still has.
It's the green card. You often see it in the lobby of Magnaflow.
They, you know, they, they kind of take care of it down there for a while.
And, and I believe, and don't, I could be wrong on this.
How it all went down. But,
Plymouth liked, they were sponsoring the design program or something.
And then they liked what he was doing and it kind of led down the road toward the, the prerogative.
Now, in, in Chip's eyes, if I remember him on the podcast years ago, him going,
yeah, the, the prerogative, because it was influenced by his design that he put together.
But what he really wanted it to be was this sort of rear mid engine V8.
That's what the hemisphere is. That's what his cool car is.
But, you know, one thing led to another oftentimes budget, emissions, you know, safety,
because the plot, the prerogative, we just saw has the bumper removed.
Remember, I had that big ridiculous bumper that went in front of the front tires.
So it was kind of, it was kind of silly, but I could see the,
I could see Chip loving that car or being interested in that car because of how it went down.
And he sort of influenced that. And as a student, you know, design student going,
oh, one of my ideas turned into a production car before he blew up and became the, you know,
the, the famous designer that he deserved to be.
So, but I was thinking about some of the other swaps, like you said, for just for clicks,
you're talking about Clint's V.S.
I think when I both seen like the, the Prius with the Hellcat engine in it, I saw that out of,
out of auto show. And I forgot what they gave it some funny name.
And it had like a shark mouth on it, like an old fighter jet.
It might have had like big slicks in the back.
Maybe there's a version of that that I saw if I remember that correct.
I think, I think as opposed to being the old chromagen, but that I am, I'm going to segue from
why question mark to why not exclamation mark?
Here's the, if like, if, if you had a Prius or someone had, let's say, if you guys had a shop
or something and someone there had a Prius or getting a new car,
be like, what are you going to do with that hunk of junk Prius?
That's been fallen apart or broke or the battery doesn't work or whatever.
And you go, I don't know, man, I'm just going to scrap it or donate it or maybe I can sell it for a thousand bucks.
You know, you might go, well, you kind of pulled it over a canyon or you build it up.
Yeah, right. Like, yeah, logged out it off off the side of a cliff.
Like Mythbusters style, if you're allowed to do that, or, or build it into something.
I think there's a Prius.
It's allowed to do that.
Did you just say allowed to do that?
There is no, there is no, there is no raining people back on anything anymore.
Yeah.
I guess the, the, the curse and the beauty of it is, I think, I guess.
I mean, as ridiculous as it all is, I mean, it's kind of entertaining and why not, right?
I mean, you haven't seen it done before.
I don't know.
Someone's going to strap a V8 on their back and go down a drag strip or something here soon.
But years ago, there was a video floating around of a smart car with a high abusa engine in it.
And it was, and he had it.
It was like spinning around and doing like the front wheelie, like the endos and just like putting on a show with this thing.
And it was, and it was nuts.
And did you hear it to hear it?
How about the old dude?
How about the old white bearded dude with the rocket fricking engines on these go kart things on online?
You got to have seen them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
There is no, there is no limit anymore.
But I guess this is.
Another video that I like.
This one I really like.
This guy did.
I think it was like a.
Model A Ford.
Little.
A little hard top for it, right?
And you know, wooden wheels and the whole thing.
So the guy restored the whole thing made a chassis for it.
Had like a custom billet wheel made to simulate the wood wheels.
And was hand painted to look like the wood and was a really, really good job.
And then he had built a cause worth engine.
He took a racing like a high revving high winding racing engine and put it in and was able to do a thing on the ignition.
It's so old that I don't know exactly what you know how like when Harley does the twin firing to give it that Harley sound it fires up.
You know, it fires into a, you know, basically a dead cylinder or whatever it's doing there.
So he did a thing that it.
It gave it this old.
Like like.
Period correct.
Old engine.
You fired up.
It's like.
And he's driving around and it's just like.
And then he hits the switch.
And it's like, wein, wein, wein, wein.
And it was just sound like a, like a dirt bike.
It sounded like a little cause worth high winding, you know, 8,000 RPM.
And then you see this thing start flying down the road.
It's a really kind of fun video of that this guy did.
And it was an interesting idea.
Now this isn't quite.
This is a little closer to maybe the Proudler build and a little less of the Prius build because this was a high dollar build.
It took an old model A.
It was really done up well.
And it was such a neat idea.
I don't know if.
If it was one of those things where the guy had the car first and said I want to do something or.
If he had the engine and said,
what should I do with this engine?
I think he had the car first and then thought about.
What would be an interesting engine size wise dimension wise to fit and then could be kind of crazy.
I don't know.
Maybe it was influenced by the high a boost of smart car at the time.
Yeah, anyway.
So the Proudler looks fun.
It has an independent rear suspension, six-speed manual.
It's got the Helicad engine supercharged.
I'm not a fan of the car.
I never really, you know, like the car to begin with.
I've just, it just seemed kind of.
I don't know.
Just kind of piece together a lot of plastic kind of cheap, but.
You know, but it came out good if you're going to have one.
It's just think what the what the ring brothers could do to a Proudler.
Yes, but they did that car.
And yeah, I think it was ever just called.
I think it was called and when they when they kind of started off this actually started off as a truck.
And let me let me see if I can find that.
Oh, yeah.
And you know, the one that this started off as there as a pickup truck.
And then it ended up turning into sort of this almost NASCAR ask like racing car.
Let's see if they have the picture of the truck.
They can build a Pinto and make it look good.
Yeah, they should have showed so they showed me the picture of the truck.
That they bought.
The client had before they turned it into this.
But this thing is so crazy over the top.
Over the top for sure.
And they drove it.
We're going awesome.
I love this.
But yeah, this is kind of ended up turning into like.
Yeah, it's kind of transaxle like.
It almost kind of turned into prowler us.
Look at this shifter mechanism.
Brick and awesome.
Really cool stuff, right?
Like it's kind of prowler.
100%.
Right?
If you put the hard top on.
There's a hundred times better.
There's a thousand times better.
That's a really not even a bench.
There's no comparison.
There's no like.
A percentage or number to go.
This is a million times better.
10 million times better.
Like it's just.
Well, let's say exponentially better.
Yes.
Infinitely.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the best.
Definitely better.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's I look at that fine craftsmanship of the interior.
I just finished up a lot.
You know, most of the interior on the cobra on my own.
That's 24 hours.
That's why it looked like I've been sleeping in an alley.
Yeah.
I wish I could do.
It was going to work as they do.
Let's let's take a look at this.
Photo that you just posted up on goldware.
Yeah.
And there's a big square out of my carpet that I laid down there.
So we're looking at this picture.
This is the interior of the cobra.
It's coming together.
And now we can kind of see finally the placement.
The shifters you were talking about.
The drift break handle, the shift handle.
You got the rubber boots on there now.
Whether you keep those are you end up making something custom
later once it's.
You know, not not sure what the final product is going to look like.
But yeah, it looks good.
Good placement.
I think, you know.
When you put it into first gear in the shifter,
it leans a little toward the driver.
You can't tell from this photo.
But how much?
How close is that shift ball to the drift break handle?
It's pretty close.
But it, but we also offset the drift break handle.
To the, you know, towards the driver side.
So it's pushed out a tiny bit.
You can't see it in this photo.
But, you know, what I didn't take into consideration.
I thought I took everything into consideration when placing that handle.
But think about the one thing.
Yeah, put the steering wheel on.
You got it.
Yeah, you put the steering wheel on.
Is your hands going to have that?
Well, here's what here's the sequence.
Okay.
And this is how you can see in real time.
You know, in, in doing this for my second time, you know.
Preparation and planning is 910.
Of the entire project when you're building something, right?
And so, like, for instance, the dash.
As we're looking at this picture, I could not get the dash on for anything.
And I didn't realize that the, that the tilt handle.
Was still on the, I did it column behind the dash.
That's why I couldn't push the dash.
Yeah, the lever.
Yeah.
But I had to do the lever.
I had to put the lever on to, uh, to alter the angle of the steering column.
So that the carbon fiber dash would slide over it and slide up into the,
the, the, the area on the, the car where it sits.
So, and then, and then I find out that.
So I put the steering wheel on.
And then I see that it's, it clears the, the handle clears.
So I was good there.
But the, the steering column was pointed to the right of me,
which meant that it literally, if you drew a line between,
from the steering column to my chest, it hit my right shoulder.
So the offset of the steering column was wrong.
So thank God it was wrong.
Uh, and I caught it right then because then we had to redo the mount for the steering column inside of the engine compartment.
Okay.
And so by pushing that over to the right now, it's in the way of, of the throttle linkage.
So it's just, there's no room.
So I'm trying to paint a picture of,
I'm trying to paint a picture of, so you did a tilt column,
but because you just wanted to get the angle right by using the tilt column,
but not, you can't change the, you can't tilt the column up and down once the dash is installed.
Yes, I can.
Yes, I can.
Yeah, because if you see it's right here at the dash where it meets on the column,
that's, that's the break.
Yeah.
So it, it, that's where it bet, that's where it, uh, it alters its angle.
So I can, I have full manipulation of the, the tilt steering column,
even though it's right there.
Okay.
So it's one of like, how big is the hole in the dash that, oh, uh, so I see,
right there.
The dash is fixed and then a tilt right back here, right behind.
Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting.
Yeah, that's good.
It's awesome.
It's really, it's really well done as far as planning's concern,
except for the fact that, like I said right now,
I've just got to figure out how to construct a mount for the steering column that I can,
that I can clear the linkage with.
I mean, it's, I'll provide some pictures.
But I mean, now we're into the nitty-gritty of the hairy little detail that find finite details.
I mean, look at the, the seat cushion, the bottom seat cushion right there.
Okay.
So the one on the driver's seat, I dismantled it and I, I told you last week,
I chopped it with a samurai sword.
Yeah.
It's half the, half the width of that seat right there.
And so I, I sat in the car last night after I installed everything and I got to tell you,
man, it makes a huge difference.
Yeah.
It really does.
And the, the car is so comfortable for me now with the shifter placement with,
with the tilt with the crooked seat, you know, it's, it's going to be a pleasure, man.
It is.
The springs are getting in this afternoon.
I'm going to assemble them and install them in the car.
I'm going to bleed the brakes.
I'm going to, I think that's, that's about it.
And then this thing can go on the road tomorrow, hopefully.
Okay.
You never know.
We'll see.
Yeah.
It's looking good.
And see right there.
So.
We're looking at the photo of the cars on the ground on the left.
But now we're, we got the body on it.
This is, we're looking at the rear like three quarter of you.
The body, the fuel filler.
It's, you know, it's together.
It's on the car now.
You see the exhaust.
You see the.
Yeah.
It looks good.
Thank you very much.
I'll tell you what.
That's the first picture that I've taken of it since we got the body placed on it.
That I read that got me really excited because the, the, you know,
we've had this conversation prior, the Bill Steens that they provided.
I still had six inches of clearance when they were fully compressed.
So I had to, I, I boxed those up, sent them out.
I, they, Bill Steens sent me the other shocks, but the springs hadn't gotten in yet.
They get in this evening.
And so this, obviously with every, with, with all the shocks gone,
I'm able to lay the thing down on the ground via the lift.
And get the clearance that I actually want in the, in the end.
Yeah.
And that the first time I was able to see that shot.
And man, it's sexy or now, if you ask me, I mean, that really just makes the car.
I mean, the front, the clearance on the front, the way that the front wheels are tucked up under
when this is on the ground is sexy.
But I was able to see that view for the first time last night.
And man, that got me really excited.
Yeah.
Looks great.
So shocks are on the way.
No, shocks are here.
Springs are on the way.
Springs all the way.
Springs, I've already spoken to the UPS guy.
They're on the truck.
And so I'm just trying to time everything out.
Like I said, I'll get them in tonight and bleed the brakes and cross my fingers.
Get her to fire up, man.
You're getting there.
Yeah, I'm there.
I'm, I'm not getting there.
I'm there.
There's just little tiny stuff.
You know, it's good that it's, it's good that it's not completely done right at this moment
because it gives me the ability to, to go over every single inch of this car.
And oh, there's a bolt that's not, you know, tied down.
There's, there's a fuel line, you know, whatever.
But we had no fuel leaks.
Got the motor up to temperature, you know, good amount of time.
Ladies and gentlemen, when you install a new MSD ignition box,
make sure you take the rev limiter off.
You set the rev limiter properly because I knew we were supposed to do that.
I had just completely forgotten.
It was the, I was in the moment.
And so when you guys fired it up, the rev limiter was like 2000.
So you're like, why is it?
Why is it bogging out, man?
And man, it, we've fixed that, that, that baby purred.
Got it, got to 185, man.
It was, the thing is, it's ready to rock.
I just, I got up to 10.
Oh, yeah, got up to 10 fuel pressure.
I mean, we were good.
Kent, we had Kent on FaceTime.
He was at a baseball game Friday night in Georgia.
And I'm getting ready to get on a plane the next morning.
And I got two guys here, you know, Clint and Manny
that have been helping me every step along the way.
And they wanted to get it started before I left.
And we fired that bad boy up.
And yeah, it was, it was a little bit of an issue.
First time we cranked it.
Or first time we cranked it.
First time we, we turned the power switch on.
The starter enabled.
And so obviously we undirected by that.
And then, you know, we had the rev limiter.
And then we had this.
And we had that.
But all in all, it was a, it was kind of flawless, man.
It was, it was really good.
No leaks.
So far, I haven't done the breaks, but that'll be good.
Yeah, I believe the breaks.
But it looks sick.
Like the, it, it came out great.
I mean, all the work that CGC did on the power recording
and everything, just everything from you can see subtly
in some of these photos, you know, the windshield frame,
you know, the, the fuel filler cap, the, you know, the side pipes.
Everything, man.
I mean, they did a really good job.
And I appreciate the praise.
And I'm really proud of it, man.
I mean, it's like I say, with these cars,
everybody puts their own spin on it.
And this is my, this is my version of what,
if I was a car, if I was a cobra, this would be me.
And this is how I wanted to function.
This, you know, with the drift break and with this
and with that and the, the, the breaks that I chose
and the suspension that we chose.
I mean, it's a, it's my, my version of, of the cobra.
And I really love it.
And you know what's really cool too?
I was going back and forth with Bruce yesterday.
And he knows that I'm doing this car
because it's a tribute to the unbelievably beautiful
frickin race car he's got, which is the real deal.
But hopefully in me doing what I'm doing,
I'm paying homage to it in my own way.
Yeah.
Because it looks, I mean, it looks frickin' my car looks exactly like it.
It really does.
A couple obvious, obvious differences.
But you can see where I drew my inspiration from.
Yeah.
And what's funny is I, I, I, I got a hold of him last night
because Matt Kutcher, my buddy, is interested in a 56 Hudson
that was at the Peterson Museum that's going up for auction
that was owned by Steve McQueen.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So you're talking about Bruce Meyer.
Bruce Meyer's got the first cobra.
That's one that I, we saw at Pebble Beach this year,
which he wanted.
And you, you and your infinite ability to use social media
and technology put it up there and show people what it looks like
because then they'll go, oh yeah,
that's why Goldberg's doing what he's doing.
Yeah.
Let's see, I got to find.
They got to do as Google Bruce Meyer's cobra.
That's it.
It pops up every time.
Yeah.
It's frickin', it's just so beautiful.
It's just beautiful.
Here, I don't know what site this is, but here's.
I don't have a, I don't have a white one on my car, but.
That's it.
Yeah.
That's the Steve Minyanti version of the episode he did, but.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cool.
Cool car.
I want to see.
Because his knockoffs are like the coal or something.
Yeah.
Which was a feature on nearest that I thought was good instead of
blocking them out.
Keep them.
I don't know if here's a chrome or nickel played in or whatever.
They're nickel.
Yeah, they're nickel.
Yeah, it looks good.
Yeah, it's, I mean, like I said,
I got a lot of inspiration from that car.
And the coolness,
the coolness of that car is that it's just as plain as can be.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's cool.
All right, let's, let's say a quick break.
We'll be right back.
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Yeah, I had some other photos of the car as well.
I should miss my favorite one.
It's this one right here.
Let me see.
Yeah, that's a great shot.
That's a great shot.
And I mean, it looks exactly like my car.
Yeah.
It's so cool.
Yeah.
But your roll bar is going to be different.
Or is it?
I'm going to pattern mine quite similar to that.
That's the competition roll bar, obviously.
Yeah.
And I it provides.
I think a little bit more.
More safety with the crossbar.
Over there.
I think I'm going to do that one.
We haven't even embarked upon designing it yet, but.
That obviously will have to come soon.
All the way across, but I like the way that his is low profile.
Yeah.
I mean, that could look at that car.
It's freaking beautiful.
I mean, 65, right?
64, whatever.
63.
That just the lines on that car are.
They're enduring.
Just beautiful.
Yeah.
Well, awesome.
It's looking.
It's looking good.
So you guys are going to be good to go be able to get a little.
Seat time gently.
Very gently because I don't have the doors on yet.
I was thinking about last night.
Can I drive it around the garage with no.
I've got to already be very careful because there's no roll bar.
But could I actually do it with no doors?
Is there a belt in it yet?
You got the part.
Oh, yeah.
I did that yesterday.
The entire interior except for the foot wells on both sides is completely done.
Everything.
Yeah.
Everything, man.
You know, looking at the cobra and thinking back to a minute ago,
we were talking about the wacky cars with the swaps.
The one that came to mind is.
Back in the day, Paul Newman was not afraid to do some, some swaps.
He, you know, famously, he's got the Volvo wagon with.
I think it's got a five liter.
I think he had a five liter Ford in it with like a Kenny Bell supercharger on it.
He made three.
If I remember correctly, he had one.
Letterman had one.
He gave one to Letterman.
And he made one for like the guy who ran the charity.
And Wayne Karini has Newman's car.
Every time I see him, I'm like, when you ready to sell that wagon,
he's like, never.
I'm never selling it.
And I was like, come on down, sell the Volvo wagon.
And by the time he wants to sell it,
I don't want to be able to afford it.
But Newman did, I'm going to bring this up.
I'm going to show you this.
Newman did a Volkswagen.
He took a little Volkswagen Beetle convertible.
Yeah, I do have my limits.
And he put a 351 Ford engine in the back.
So in this picture here,
the front hood in between the headlights has this like grill cut out,
because they put a radiator in the front.
And I was looking at the roll bar you're talking about.
And they put the roll bar in there that goes all the way across.
So here's the profile of it.
You can see it's a little bit jacked up in the back.
It has a little bit more.
Oh, I could say it's like the prowler.
If you're going to have a bug, I'd have that one.
Right?
Because now you're starting to look at it going.
This is kind of ridiculous and fun.
They kept the chrome bumpers.
They kept everything.
I mean, the roll bars give away the radiator in the front.
And then it's got a little bit of a drag race stance to it.
It's like a little bit foolish.
I mean, for a bug, that's the coolest bug I've ever seen.
It's cool, right?
It's cool.
And he's like, let's put a V8 in it.
So here's some old photos of Paul Newman and the guys looking at the car back in the day.
That would be that would be freaking awesome.
That would be a cool car.
I mean, like fluffy out of buy that thing.
Yeah, fluffy out of buy it.
I don't know where it is right now.
I think it might have changed hands a couple of times.
But I don't remember.
This is one of motor trends like archived articles.
So this was years ago.
That's cool.
And I don't.
I never in a trillion years would have ever told you that I would have thought any version of a VW bug would be cool.
Right.
I'm looking right into the put in the front.
You can see the shroud that they put on it that it tucks up against the front.
The hood.
Yeah, they a lot of work put into it.
And this is, you know, before.
You know, we had the talent of the hot rod builders we had.
Now we just didn't want to think about it.
Well, there was there were guys that were unbelievable.
People just didn't know about.
Yeah, they just weren't thinking quite like this.
This was a brainchild of of Newman's.
But they put it in the, they put it in the back seat.
It wasn't shrouded or anything.
It's just engine right there.
It's just big loud smelly.
Like, but that's kind of fun.
Kind of fun.
Yeah.
It's kind of cool.
Yeah.
Cool shit.
I think I mean, like I said, if you're going to have a VW that, I mean, if you're going to have a bug, that's the bug that.
I mean, even back then you just throw a stock 351 and it's probably got 250 horsepower.
But I just when you fire it up and you hear it and you're like, what, what is that?
And all you see is this VW beetle.
I think if you, if they, can you go back to that other pick that last picture?
Yeah.
They changed that the, the top and the tunnel cover.
Then that would look, that could look cool as shit.
Yeah, so it's.
They made the top like work.
I guess you wanted to be able to top.
You can just remove the whole top and shroud the engine a little bit like you're just making a roadster.
You know, maybe that's probably how do you do it today?
It's cool though.
It's, it's, it's cool.
It's got three pedals too, by the way.
It's got a manual.
They, they put this, the engine in the back seat because they were able to do a trans axle on it like like a pantera.
That's cool though.
So the engine is in the back, but it's forward of the rear axle.
So if you think about it, the balance is better here, right?
Because the engine's not hanging way off the back.
It's, it's between the driver and the rear axle.
Anyway, cool, cool pieces.
I didn't know if you saw this car or not, but now that you look at the photos and you know what it is.
Yeah, that's, that's kind of, it's kind of cool.
It's kind of a cool piece, but.
I mean, I, I, you know, ring brothers can make anything work.
I think any kind of automotive product.
Yeah.
I, what are your favorite cars?
There's another one going up for sale.
It is.
Oh, yeah.
Do we really have to see this?
I want to get your thoughts on this.
So there's a McLaren F1.
It's going up.
It's, it's for sale and to buy or something.
21 million dollars.
Now, looking at this car.
This is white.
So the car was originally yellow.
Over the years during.
I don't know the second owner or something.
They sent it back to McLaren.
They got it painted white.
And they got retrofitted with.
Like the LM spec and the new arrow stuff and the different wheels.
And it was part of a thing that, that, that McLaren was doing.
I guess you could still do it.
So it has all these factory.
It's an Abu Dhabi.
It has 13,711 miles on it.
Again, it was originally yellow with black leather and Al-Kentara.
They sent it back.
It spent 500,000 dollars.
And they got the high down force kit on it.
The fixed rear wing.
The GTR style front bumper in the splitter.
The LM spec louvers on the front wings.
And the interior was upgraded to the carbon fiber racing.
It's got the Oz GTR style wheels.
And the headlights were upgraded.
But all done at McLaren.
All done at the factory.
Yeah.
What do you think of this car?
I mean, from what?
From what?
From what angle?
White's not your color.
But I think it looks.
Oh, man.
I mean, this car is beautiful.
The fact that.
I mean, what's your question?
The color change?
Well, one, I mean, I think about it and you go,
you know what, the McLaren F1 is a cool car.
But one of the things that always sort of made it look dated was the wheel.
Kind of like the Jag XJ220.
The wheel is so dated.
Now, it's cool because it gives you a timeline.
It gives you when the era that Supercar was built.
This one was sent out and was modified at the factory, which I like.
I like more.
I think it's a, they did a great job.
They spent, you know,
I have a million dollars getting it done.
At a 21 million box.
I don't know.
This is a cool car.
I haven't seen one like this.
I haven't seen one in white.
I mean, things freaking beautiful.
Obviously, I don't think it takes anything away from it.
That's the color change.
It's a, it's a positive and quite obviously like getting a convertible done at the factory.
By it going back to McLaren and get that's the only way to do it for a car like that.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think McLaren still offers up.
You know, because the seat is fixed and everything moves that if you buy one,
McLaren will adjust it for you.
You know, I don't know if that's a huge fee, but maybe because I mean a thousand dollars, but.
I feel as though.
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
I feel as though a manufacturer that has a legacy car like that.
Should always take care of the people who own it.
I agree.
I agree.
You know, at Kona's egg, I would say it does that.
Or a point.
Yeah.
You just, you read about Kona's egg and there was something with the car on the guys car burnt
and whatever and there were like, we're getting you another one.
I mean, it's again, and goes back to what's more important, the money grab,
or, you know, the legacy of people that you're selling cars to, if you're a manufacturer.
Yeah.
So this particular McLaren f1, for what it's worth, and I imagine.
It's signed by Michael Schumacher and Lewis Hamilton.
So Schumacher signed it years ago and then Hamilton did, you know, much, much later on.
Yeah, it's cool.
Cool piece. 21 million bucks plus the cost of ownership insurance.
Fire up that haggity.
Yeah, whatever it is, they're beautiful man.
I never, I never really have the conversation with, yeah, I never had like, I never had the courage to ask them, you know, what is it?
What is it cost to get insurance on that on a collection like his?
A museum, you know, like, you know, you go to the Peter Sunday and you go, you know, what's this car worth?
And they go, well, we've got what's a Steve McQueen XKSS worth?
And like, no, like, I don't know, we have it insured for 30 million dollars.
Like, we don't really know what it's worth, but it's insured for 30 million.
And that's as it sits in the building.
Like when they need to move it, I guess you got to call haggity and go, we're moving the car.
You know, and then Leno, you know, has his impressive collection, like, what's that haggity, Bill?
Well, whatever it is every month.
I mean, maybe he's self-insured.
I mean, there could be a version of that him going, now I don't, you know, maybe there's on things he doesn't drive.
Maybe he just like, it is what it is.
Like I just, I just own it and I put up like a piece of art and I don't insure it.
Or maybe it does, probably it does.
I don't know.
But I can leave it on the next.
Anyway, what else is going on?
What's next on the docket?
Cobra is going to be done soon.
We're going to be done soon.
I just got to figure out what car is next.
Well, you did a swap with Warman back.
Yeah, that's a while ago.
Warman's got the car.
I think he's doing the final metal work on it.
And then we'll go back to Silvaggio and the DSR will get the motor up there.
And Silvaggio is doing the Jeep.
Yeah, we push that.
Yeah, I'll talk about it now.
Yeah.
I knew it was going to get pushed at some point.
It probably just a load off your shoulders and his, but push it.
And I didn't want to hold up Richard.
And it just wasn't fair to anybody.
And I'm not, you know, I'm not pointing fingers by any stretch.
But let's just say that we may have a little alter to the plans as far as the,
the drive train is concerned.
Right.
Okay.
So you're not bringing anything to seem this year.
No.
Okay.
Now you've got time to, to, you've got time to sort of think about what this,
what the Jeep should be.
You've got time and how that's going to debut.
Maybe it's.
Well, grams coming out with maybe something that might be a better fit for what we're doing.
And so we're assessing.
Right.
Okay.
So it's all good stuff.
It's just, you know, truly, you don't want to push things time wise.
And SEMA is a time when everything is at a crunch.
And so I'm not going to do that to everybody.
I'm not.
There's no rush.
Let's get it done right.
And so we're pushing it.
Yeah.
And I think that's better.
It's better for Magniflow.
And they're free one for you for some audio.
For, for, for round.
For.
Yeah.
I think so.
I think so.
I mean, the, the finished product and the timing will be much better suited for all of us.
Right.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Well, maybe we'll get into that more.
We'll have Savaggio on at some point when he's ready, when you guys are both ready.
We can talk a little bit about how that product is going to shift and what's going to be different about it.
But I just the look and the chassis and everything is probably all going to be essentially the same.
Yes, absolutely.
It's going to be the powertrain that.
Yeah.
They're well, it's going to have a five speed in it.
So it will, that will be a little different.
Yeah.
I got a couple of tricks going on.
It's going to be fun.
Yeah.
And we're about a month out.
Less than five weeks out from SEMA.
We're going to be able to hopefully be able to make it out there and.
Interiors and interviews.
I don't load off, man.
Yeah.
All right.
We're going to wrap things up for today.
Guys, thanks so much for listening.
Good luck with the car in the next few days.
Hopefully it'll be on the ground.
You'll be sitting in the driver's seat.
We'll talk about that next week.
Until next time.
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