Here's What You Might Not Know About BJ McLeod
About this episode
Kyle Busch’s struggles at RCR spark a blunt debate: whether it’s equipment, the next-gen car’s feel, or simply a multi-year performance slump that’s become “normal.” The hosts also zoom out to Ty Gibbs’ trajectory, arguing his prime window may be longer thanks to strong JGR resources—while emphasizing the real challenge is sustaining Joe Gibbs’ leadership, sponsor relationships, and operational magic after he’s gone. A separate interview with BJ McLeod highlights his super late model dominance, near-misses in NASCAR, and how a hurricane-era demolition business helped fund his racing path. The show closes with discussion of Talladega stage changes and fuel-mileage strategy concerns.
It's amazing what you can get done in 30 minutes, and even more amazing if you do it while listening to Dirty Thirty! You'll hear from your favorite hosts, NASCAR President Steve O'Donnell & BJ McLeod, too!
We open up with Actions Detrimental, where Denny Hamlin weighs in on his former teammate Kyle Busch's recent struggles and why it doesn't add up to him.
Next, Dale Jr. talks about Ty Gibbs' prime years and whether they will be affected whenever the day comes where Joe Gibbs is no longer in charge of JGR.
In the guest episode this week, you can't miss him if you see him — BJ McLeod walks us through being compared to Jeff Gordon in the late '90s and why his big break never came.
Over on the Bless Your 'Hardt set, we're back to talking about phones, and Amy gives us insight into the proverbial journey her phone goes through daily.
And last, but definitely not least, NASCAR President Steve O'Donnell gives us a rundown on the changes being made to Talladega's stages to combat fuel saving — and why they are NOT a permanent fix.
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free agents
"Aren't there supposed to be like 15 to 20 drivers that are free agents this year? Okay, what big team is going to hire him?"
A “free agent” is a driver who isn’t locked into one team anymore. Other teams can then try to sign them if they have an opening.
In NASCAR, “free agents” are drivers whose contracts have ended and who can sign with a new team. Open seats matter because teams can only hire a limited number of drivers each season.
Gibbs
"I don't know. I'm saying the Gibbs, right? They're happy with their lineup. Kyle's 40 years old."
“Gibbs” is a shorthand reference to Joe Gibbs Racing, another top NASCAR organization. The hosts are speculating whether a driver could move to that team based on available seats and team needs.
open seats
"What are the potential open seats? Potentially the 48."
“Open seats” means available driver spots at NASCAR teams—places where a team needs a driver for a car. When many drivers are free agents, the number of open seats strongly affects who can get hired.
RCR
"So how much is this RCR and how much is this... I don't know. Clearly, RCR is not good right now. Well, I think that's what a lot of people think is that..."
RCR is a NASCAR racing team run by Richard Childress. The hosts are saying the team hasn’t been performing as well lately, which makes it harder for the driver to get fast results every week.
RCR refers to Richard Childress Racing, a NASCAR team/organization. In the context of this discussion, they’re talking about how the team’s performance has been struggling recently and how that affects a driver’s ability to find speed consistently.
points ahead
"He's right now seven points ahead of Austin Dillon. Okay, then. It's time to be honest about what's going on."
In NASCAR, drivers earn points based on how they finish in each race. If someone is “points ahead,” it means they’re currently doing better in the season standings, but it doesn’t guarantee anything—one bad stretch can change it.
“Points ahead” refers to NASCAR’s season-long scoring system, where drivers accumulate points based on race finishes and other factors. Being ahead by a small number can still mean the season is very competitive, and it affects playoff positioning and pressure on teams to improve.
consistent basis
"I think that he doesn't know how to get the speed out of the next year in car on a consistent basis. There's been flashes of it."
They’re talking about being fast every time, not just sometimes. In racing, that means the car setup and driving feel have to work reliably from week to week.
The hosts are discussing “getting the speed out of the car on a consistent basis,” which is a setup and performance challenge in motorsports. It usually means the team can’t just be fast occasionally—they need repeatable speed across different tracks, conditions, and race weeks.
cars running closer together
"But now that everything is coming out in the wash, you're seeing these cars running closer together. Like, look at any of the statistics of where the dispersion of dots were on lap times in 2022 at any particular track."
This means the race cars are more evenly matched than they used to be. If one team used to be way faster, now more teams are similar. So drivers can’t just coast on a faster car—they have to be sharper to gain spots.
“Cars running closer together” refers to reduced performance gaps between teams and drivers. In racing, that usually comes from rule changes, development catching up, or more parity in the cars. When the field is tighter, drivers have to “make up the difference” through execution rather than relying on a big raw speed advantage.
dispersion of dots on lap times
"Like, look at any of the statistics of where the dispersion of dots were on lap times in 2022 at any particular track. at any particular track. And look at that same track today in 2026."
They’re talking about how close everyone’s lap times are. If the lap times are spread out, some cars are much faster than others. If the lap times cluster together, it means the whole field is more evenly matched, so small differences matter more.
“Dispersion of dots” is a way to visualize how spread out lap times are across the field. When the dots are widely scattered, performance varies a lot; when they cluster tightly, cars are running more similarly. That’s a big deal because it changes how much a driver can gain or lose with setup and driving skill.
Victory Lane
"And if you're expecting Kyle Busch to just go back to Victory Lane on a regular basis, you are kidding yourselves and you're going to be very disappointed."
Victory Lane is the spot where the race winner celebrates. Saying someone can’t be expected to get back to Victory Lane regularly means they probably won’t be winning races often right now.
“Victory Lane” is NASCAR’s term for the place where the winner is celebrated after the checkered flag. It’s shorthand for consistently winning races, not just finishing well. When the host says someone can’t be expected to return to Victory Lane regularly, they’re talking about realistic expectations for winning frequency.
change cars
"I just think that until we change cars or something has to change, I don't know what. I have no idea."
They’re basically saying that if the race cars themselves (the rules and setup options) don’t change, results may stay similar. Sometimes a driver can improve, but if the car package is holding them back, you need a bigger change to see a big turnaround.
The phrase “change cars” points to the idea that performance trends can’t be fixed by driver effort alone if the underlying vehicle package is limiting. In NASCAR, “the car” can mean the rules package, aero/engine constraints, tire behavior, and setup freedoms. If those don’t change, the same teams and drivers may keep struggling or dominating in predictable ways.
crew chief
"I'm not as crew chief. I'm not as engineer and I'm not his team owner."
The crew chief is basically the team’s main decision-maker during a race. They help decide how to set up the car and what strategy to use.
A crew chief is the team’s lead strategist for a race—responsible for car setup decisions, race strategy, and communicating with the driver and crew. In NASCAR, the crew chief’s calls can strongly affect tire wear, track position, and how the car performs in different stages of a run.
team owner
"I'm not as crew chief. I'm not as engineer and I'm not his team owner. So I'm not in the weeds."
The team owner is the person who runs the racing team and pays for it. They’re involved in big-picture decisions beyond just the day-to-day race strategy.
A team owner is the person or organization that funds and oversees the racing team. They may influence long-term decisions like staffing, equipment, and which series or car programs the team prioritizes.
engineer
"I'm not as crew chief. I'm not as engineer and I'm not his team owner. So I'm not in the weeds."
An engineer in racing helps interpret what the car is doing and suggests changes to improve performance. They use data and experience to help the team make the car faster and easier to drive.
In racing, an engineer supports the crew chief and driver by analyzing data and helping translate it into setup changes. The engineer’s work often focuses on performance tuning—like suspension and aerodynamic balance—based on what the car is doing on track.
Next Gen car
"But he's not in the next gen car. So, yeah, I don't know, though. Like he's went through many different car changes."
In NASCAR, the “Next Gen” car is the newer type of race car NASCAR introduced. It changes how the cars are built and regulated, so driving it can feel different than older generations.
“Next Gen” refers to NASCAR’s newer generation of stock cars built to standardize parts and improve safety and competition. When someone says a driver “isn’t in the Next Gen car,” they’re talking about whether they’re racing under the latest NASCAR vehicle ruleset and platform.
gen four car
"Like he's went through many different car changes. You know, he was around when it was like the gen four car winning gen five, winning gen six, winning."
NASCAR has used different “generations” of race cars over the years. Each generation can drive and handle differently because the rules and car design change.
“Gen four” describes an earlier generation of NASCAR race car rules/vehicle platform. Comparing “gen four,” “gen five,” and “gen six” implies the driver has adapted across multiple NASCAR car eras with different aerodynamics, chassis setups, and homologation rules.
gen five
"You know, he was around when it was like the gen four car winning gen five, winning gen six, winning. He was able to adapt to those."
“Gen five” is NASCAR’s next step in race car design after an earlier generation. When NASCAR changes the generation, teams often have to adjust how they set up and drive the cars.
“Gen five” is another NASCAR car generation, meaning a different set of approved car designs and technical rules than earlier eras. The mention alongside “gen four” and “gen six” highlights how drivers must adapt their driving style and team setup as NASCAR updates the platform.
gen six
"You know, he was around when it was like the gen four car winning gen five, winning gen six, winning. He was able to adapt to those."
“Gen six” means NASCAR’s later version of the race car platform. Each new generation can change how the car behaves, so adapting matters.
“Gen six” refers to a later NASCAR car generation with its own technical specifications and competition characteristics. The speaker’s point is that the competitor has experience adapting to multiple rule/vehicle updates over time.
JGR
"Gen six car his last few years and gen six at JGR was not good."
JGR is a well-known NASCAR racing team. The speaker is saying that during the “Gen six” era, even that strong team didn’t get the results they expected.
JGR is shorthand for Joe Gibbs Racing, a top NASCAR team. Mentioning “Gen six at JGR” ties the discussion to how that team’s cars and setups performed during that specific rule generation.
partnerships they need to fund the operation
"...that is the challenge for Gibbs is when Joe is gone, how can they continue to have the partnerships they need to fund the operation..."
Race teams need money to keep running, and sponsors are a big part of that. If the person who builds those sponsor relationships is gone, it can be harder to keep the funding steady.
Racing teams rely on sponsor and business partnerships to fund operations like engineering, testing, and race logistics. When a key person leaves, maintaining those relationships can be as important as the technical side.
build fast race cars
"...to be able to build fast race cars? And if they can find that magic way to do those things..."
“Build fast race cars” is about translating engineering decisions into on-track speed—typically through chassis setup, aerodynamics, and powertrain calibration. In racing, speed is a system outcome, not just one part of the car.
driver can be only as good as the equipment and the organization
"But he's going to be only as good as the equipment and the organization he's with. And so that's kind of how I look at that."
Racing isn’t just about the driver. If the team doesn’t give you a fast, well-prepared car and good strategy, your performance will be limited no matter how skilled you are.
In racing, a driver’s results are strongly influenced by the team’s car preparation and overall organization. Even a talented driver can’t fully overcome issues like an uncompetitive setup, poor strategy, or weak engineering support.
Xfinity series
"I really knew who you were until you got into the Xfinity series, right? And I had no idea that you had done all of this..."
The Xfinity Series is NASCAR’s major stepping-stone series. It’s where many drivers prove themselves before trying to reach the top NASCAR level.
The Xfinity Series is NASCAR’s national “second-tier” series, positioned below the Cup Series. Drivers often use it to gain experience and prove they can run at a high level before moving up.
Cup
"a lot of our current younger fans know you mainly from your experience in racing in Cup and Xfinity as a car owner as well..."
“Cup” is NASCAR’s top-level series. The speaker is saying some fans know him from the biggest NASCAR stage, not from his earlier racing background.
“Cup” refers to the NASCAR Cup Series, the top national series in stock-car racing. The transcript notes that younger fans may know the guest mainly from his time in Cup and Xfinity, rather than his earlier late-model success.
super late models
"Talk about first off, I guess, how much you enjoyed racing at that level in super late models having success. What did you believe was your dream at that time?"
Super late models are a serious level of stock-car racing. Drivers often race them to build skills and prove they can compete before moving up to bigger NASCAR-style series.
“Super late models” are a high-level form of late-model stock car racing, typically run on short tracks. They’re often a stepping stone for drivers aiming to reach NASCAR’s national series because the cars and competition are more advanced than entry-level local late models.
Indy car driver
"If you go back to the beginning of super late, my entire life, so five years old, I actually want to be an Indy car driver."
Being an Indy car driver means racing open-wheel cars at the top level in the U.S. It’s a different kind of racing than NASCAR, so some drivers start with that dream before switching paths.
An “Indy car driver” refers to racing in the IndyCar series, which is a top-level American open-wheel championship. It’s a different style of racing than NASCAR stock cars, so drivers often choose paths based on where they fit and what opportunities they find.
NASCAR
"I was like, you know what, I'm going to go to NASCAR out. So I just felt like I fit more in NASCAR."
NASCAR is the big stock-car racing league in the U.S. The guest describes how he shifted his dream toward NASCAR as his racing career developed.
NASCAR is the major U.S. stock-car racing organization and the top destination for many late-model drivers. The transcript contrasts NASCAR with IndyCar and explains how the driver’s goals shifted toward NASCAR as he grew and found a better fit.
go-karts
"really just focused on what my parents had me in, which was go-karts then and switched to super late models."
Go-karts are usually where racers start. They help you learn how to drive fast, steer well, and race other drivers before you move to bigger cars.
Go-karts are a common grassroots starting point for racing drivers because they teach car control, racing lines, and throttle/brake discipline at a young age. Many professional drivers begin in karting before moving into stock-car or open-wheel development series.
Concord
"They did like a combine type deal where you went to Concord and drove the car, drove the SA car."
Concord is a major NASCAR hub in North Carolina. It’s where a lot of teams test and where driver tryouts can happen.
Concord is strongly associated with NASCAR’s operations in North Carolina, where many teams and testing activities are based. When a driver is sent to Concord for a tryout, it usually means they’re being evaluated in a team-controlled environment close to NASCAR infrastructure.
combine type deal
"They did like a combine type deal where you went to Concord and drove the car, drove the SA car. And then if you did well enough there, you were going to get to race it."
Think of it like a job tryout. NASCAR teams sometimes run events where drivers test cars and the best performers earn a shot to race.
A “combine” in motorsports is a structured tryout where drivers are evaluated in a controlled setting. In this case, it sounds like BJ McLeod drove a specific stock car at Concord, and performance determined whether he’d get a chance to race it.
Pit Road
"And I remember parking on Pit Road after the test. [1031.8s] I did 75 laps straight."
Pit Road is where the crew works on the race car during a race. Drivers also use it to get the car ready, and it’s a big part of how teams manage speed and strategy.
Pit Road is the controlled lane where teams service the car and where drivers enter/exit for pit stops. In racing, what happens on Pit Road—like timing, communication, and car handling after a test—can strongly affect performance and outcomes.
tire/track consistency via lap time variation
"I did 75 laps straight. And I still remember, I varied two laps, I varied two tenths. And I never been on Concord, but two laps I varied two tenths and the other 73 laps I varied four hundredths."
BJ McLeod emphasizes how tightly he could control lap times—varying only a few tenths or hundredths over many laps. In racing, that kind of consistency is valuable because it indicates predictable car behavior and good tire management, not just a single fast lap.
ASA car
"And I hadn't been in an ASA car in, you know, probably three years at that point. But anyway, I remember parking on Pit Road..."
ASA refers to a stock-car racing series (American Speed Association) that existed separately from NASCAR’s top divisions. BJ McLeod notes he hadn’t been in an ASA car for years, highlighting how different series/vehicle setups and driving styles can be.
Nashville
"And he's like, how'd you like to race Nashville? And I was like, I'd love to race Nashville, right? So they took me to Nashville..."
They’re talking about racing at a track near Nashville. He’s saying he wanted that chance and got it after the earlier testing.
“Race Nashville” refers to a NASCAR event at a Nashville-area track (often Nashville Superspeedway in series history). The key point here is that BJ McLeod’s tryout/test performance led to an opportunity to compete at that venue.
mock run
"So anyway, third quick in practice, I went out to do a mock run, somebody spun, and then I parked just to just, I just slowed down to miss them."
A mock run is basically a rehearsal. They try to act like it’s the real race so everyone knows what to do.
A “mock run” is a practice simulation of race conditions—often including staging, pit timing, and on-track behavior—so drivers and teams can rehearse before the actual event. It’s a way to reduce uncertainty and improve execution.
ran over at speed
"somebody spun, and then I parked just to just, I just slowed down to miss them. And I got ran over, Travis Kittleson actually hit me running like 80 or 90 mile an hour, destroyed the car."
Being “ran over” after a spin implies a high-speed contact incident that can total a race car quickly. In stock-car racing, once a car is down or slowed, the risk of being hit increases dramatically, and damage can end the session or race.
Herzogs
"had a meeting with Herzogs after the race. They wanted me to come test the actual Bush car back then..."
“Herzogs” appears to be the team/organization BJ McLeod was working with during these NASCAR-related opportunities. The episode segment describes how they communicated about testing and offered him a ride after the incident.
misalignment when we left
"They wanted me to come test the actual Bush car back then. I think it was at Kentucky, they were doing a test. And then there was some kind of misalignment when we left."
They’re saying something about the car’s setup wasn’t straight after they left. That can make the car handle differently and hurt performance.
“Misalignment” in racing usually points to a setup issue—commonly suspension alignment (toe/camber/caster) or related geometry—after a test or service. Even small alignment changes can noticeably affect tire wear and steering feel, especially on oval tracks.
Kentucky
"They wanted me to come test the actual Bush car back then. I think it was at Kentucky, they were doing a test."
They’re referencing a track/testing location in Kentucky. The team wanted him to do more testing there.
“Kentucky” likely refers to a NASCAR test or event at Kentucky Speedway (or a related track/testing facility). In this context, it’s where Herzogs wanted BJ McLeod to test a specific car after the earlier Nashville incident.
percentage thing
"...I said, you know, I would, I said, I don't mind if it's about a percentage thing. You guys can take your percentage. He'll take his percentage."
In racing and motorsports management, a “percentage thing” usually refers to how an agent or management group gets paid—often a cut of winnings, sponsorship money, or appearance fees. The speaker is describing a negotiation over commission rather than the total amount of money.
top 10s
"...I may have ended up being a successful truck driver, you know, getting several wins. I don't want to go back and redo it. I'm 100% happy with the decision I made. So I, you know, you know, I'd already met Jessica..."
A “top 10” is when you finish the race in the first ten spots. It’s a way to show you were competitive, even if you didn’t win.
“Top 10s” means finishing a race within the first ten positions. In motorsports, repeated top-10 finishes are often used as a measure of consistency and competitiveness, even without winning.
demolition license
"she was like, do you, uh, do you want to do, get a demolition license and see if you can go get some work? And I was like, well, how much is it?"
A demolition license is permission from the government to do demolition jobs legally. In the story, it’s how the speaker earned money to support racing.
A “demolition license” in this context is a legal credential that allows the speaker to bid on and perform demolition work, which then funds racing. While not an automotive term, it’s part of the motorsports funding story and explains how the speaker financed track time and equipment.
super late model races
"And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to win super late model races. Like I have so much, I always will have so much respect for everyone that races at the regional level in every class."
Late Model racing is a type of short-track stock-car competition. “Super Late Model” usually means a faster, more high-performance version of that class, with cars built to race hard on oval tracks.
“Super Late Model” is a regional stock-car racing class where cars are built for short-track oval racing and typically run purpose-built race engines and suspension. The “super” part usually indicates a higher-spec version of Late Model rules, with more performance potential than basic Late Models.
regional level racing
"Like I have so much, I always will have so much respect for everyone that races at the regional level in every class. Like it doesn't, if you go to the racetrack and race on Saturday night and work on your car and unload it and, and bust your ass to go win, like you got my respect."
Regional racing is local or mid-level competition, usually on short tracks. The big idea here is that racers often do a lot of the work on their cars themselves between races.
The host discusses racing at the “regional level,” emphasizing the culture of working on your car and racing on a Saturday night. This is a common grassroots motorsports pathway where drivers often build, maintain, and prep their own cars between events.
racing on Saturday night
"Like it doesn't, if you go to the racetrack and race on Saturday night and work on your car and unload it and, and bust your ass to go win, like you got my respect."
In this kind of racing, you might race one night and then immediately turn around and work on the car right after. It’s a fast schedule that requires quick fixes and lots of effort.
The transcript highlights the rhythm of short-track racing: race on Saturday night, then immediately work on the car afterward. That workflow matters because it affects how teams set up cars, manage repairs, and plan parts and labor.
New Smyrna
"...to me learning that at New Smyrna. The best thing I've done, right? As a driver..."
“New Smyrna” is a race track where drivers practice and race. Learning a track like that helps you understand how to drive and set up the car better.
“New Smyrna” likely refers to New Smyrna Speedway, a short-track venue in Florida where drivers build experience in late-model and similar regional racing. Track familiarity is often a major part of driver development because it teaches braking points, line choice, and car setup.
truck race
"...I would round up enough money to go run one truck race. And he's like, if that's what you want to do, do it."
A “truck race” is a race series where the cars are based on pickup trucks. The trucks are modified for racing, and it’s a common place for drivers to gain experience.
A “truck race” refers to racing in a pickup-truck series, where the vehicles are built to compete on oval tracks with race-specific chassis, aerodynamics, and safety equipment. In NASCAR, the Camping World Truck Series is the best-known example, and drivers often treat it as a proving ground.
Craftsman series truck
"...they supplied the labor and built me a Craftsman series truck for, for October Martinsville that year, it was 2010."
A “Craftsman series truck” is a race pickup truck built to compete in a specific truck racing series. It’s not just a normal truck—it’s prepared to race under that series’ rules.
A “Craftsman series truck” indicates a truck-series race vehicle competing under the Craftsman branding (historically associated with NASCAR’s Truck Series). The key idea is that it’s a purpose-built race truck prepared for a specific series schedule and rules package.
Martinsville
"...built my truck for, for October Martinsville that year, it was 2010."
Martinsville is a famous short race track in Virginia. It’s known for tight turns and lots of braking, so race cars and drivers have to be set up for that style of track.
Martinsville Speedway is a short, high-banked oval in Virginia known for tight corners and heavy braking zones. Because of its layout, setup and driving technique matter a lot, and it’s a frequent stop for NASCAR and related series.
tore down
"...I worked every day with everybody there, seven to whenever I tore down, I took Todd's trucks apart to tear down on them..."
“Tore down” means taking parts apart. In racing, that’s how teams check for damage and make sure everything is safe and working right.
“Tore down” means disassembling race-car components for inspection, maintenance, and repairs—often after a race or during a build cycle. In racing shops, teardown work helps catch wear, damage, and setup issues before they become failures.
iPad
"Here's where the loophole is a net. The phone might be close to dying, but then he just switches to his iPad, so he's still available. He's still online."
They’re saying when their phone battery gets low, they use an iPad instead so they can still use apps and stay online. It’s basically a backup device.
They’re describing a workaround for a low-battery phone by switching to an iPad to stay connected. It’s not an automotive term, but it’s part of the “always available” theme in the conversation.
fob
"We still have to have the fob. I don't lose the fob. I'm pretty good about that. It's just my phone."
A fob is the small electronic key you use to control your car. It can unlock the doors and sometimes start the car without putting in a traditional key.
In modern cars, a “fob” usually refers to a key fob—an electronic remote that can lock/unlock the car and often enable keyless start. People often track it separately from keys because it’s easy to misplace.
Talladega stages
"All right. Last one. The changes made to Talladega stages will be enough to end fuel mileage racing."
Talladega stages are how the race is divided into sections. If the sections get longer or shorter, teams have to change when they pit and when they push the car.
“Talladega stages” refers to NASCAR-style stage racing at Talladega Superspeedway, where the race is split into segments with breaks and points. Changing stage lengths can reshape pit timing, tire/fuel management, and how aggressive teams are at different parts of the race.
fuel mileage racing
"All right. Last one. The changes made to Talladega stages will be enough to end fuel mileage racing."
This is racing where the goal isn’t just to go fast—it’s also to use as little fuel as possible. If the rules change how the race is split into stages, teams have to plan when to drive hard and when to conserve fuel.
Fuel mileage racing is a motorsport format where teams are pushed to balance speed with fuel consumption. Rule changes to “stages” can strongly affect strategy because saving fuel early may be necessary to avoid extra pit stops later.
stage limits
"For the listeners, just so you know, Freddy's hard car is sitting on the table between he and Steve... I think the idea is I don't think we have the exact stage limits and now the stage. Yeah, it's going to be a long first stage..."
Stage limits are basically the rules that say when each part of the race ends. If those limits change, you can’t use the same fuel/pit plan—you may need to stop earlier or later.
Stage limits are the rule-defined boundaries for each race segment—how long each stage is and when the stage ends. When stage limits change, teams must re-plan fuel and pit strategy because the “one stop” vs “multiple stops” math changes.
save fuel
"...we all save fuel, we pit, we come out, we race our asses off to the end of the stage... I'm worried that we're going to have to save, save, save, pit, continue to save..."
“Save fuel” means driving in a way that uses less gas, like easing off the throttle more than you would if you were just trying to win immediately. The worry here is that a longer stage could force teams to conserve fuel for much longer.
“Save fuel” describes deliberate driving and throttle management to reduce fuel consumption, often to avoid extra pit stops. The speaker is concerned that with a much longer first stage, teams may need to conserve fuel for longer than usual to make it on a single stop.
caution
"but then my biggest concern is we have a planned caution that's going to be with whatever you want to say, 40, 50 to go, something like that."
A caution is when the race slows down because something happened on the track. After that, the cars restart, and that can change who has the best chance to pass.
A caution is when NASCAR slows the field due to an incident on track, typically using yellow flags and a controlled pace. Restarts after cautions often change fuel strategy and lane formation, which can strongly affect who can race forward versus getting stuck in traffic.
short fill
"Now some guys may short fill to try to get track position. That's that's a crew chief question."
A “short fill” means you put in less fuel than normal. Teams do it to try to stay ahead on track position, but it can make the next part of the race tighter.
A “short fill” is a partial refueling stop intended to add only enough fuel to reach the next segment or window, rather than filling completely. Teams use it to gain track position, but it can complicate later fuel strategy and restart pace.
two by two restart
"And I'm worried we're going to end up with two by two hard to form that third lane again. But here's one thing, we've always gotten to that position, we start pushing with only about 10 laps to go. Right? Yep."
In a “two by two” restart, the cars line up side-by-side in pairs and don’t immediately spread out. That can limit where you can pass at first, because everyone is still bunched up in lanes.
A “two by two” restart is a NASCAR-style restart where cars line up in two-wide rows and roll out in formation before racing resumes. It can make it harder to form a third lane because the field is initially constrained by the restart pattern, which affects passing opportunities.
third lane
"And I'm worried we're going to end up with two by two hard to form that third lane again. But here's one thing, we've always gotten to that position, we start pushing with only about 10 laps to go."
The “third lane” is basically an extra place to drive that lets cars pass when the track is crowded. Whether it works depends on grip and how the race is being managed.
“Third lane” refers to the ability for cars to run an additional racing line beyond the usual two lanes, creating more passing options. In fuel-save and restart situations, track position and tire grip can determine whether that third lane is viable or quickly collapses into two-wide racing.
shark fin and A post
"We have seen with some of the changes, the shark fin and the A post, like we have seen that third lane be a little more viable places."
The “shark fin” and “A post” are aerodynamic bodywork elements used on NASCAR cars to influence airflow and downforce. Changes to these parts can affect how stable and grippy cars are in different lanes, which is why they’re discussed in terms of making a third lane viable.
pitstops
"I don't know the process is publicly about the pitstops. ... for next year, you know, four tires that you got to take with fuel, whatever, we're looking at a lot of those things."
A pit stop is when a race car pulls into the pits to get serviced. Teams usually refuel and change tires, and the rules about what you must do can change how long the stop takes and how teams plan the race.
In racing, a pit stop is when the car enters the pit lane to service—most commonly refueling and changing tires. Pit stop rules and requirements can strongly affect race strategy because they determine how long the car is stationary and how often teams must stop.
four tires
"for next year, you know, four tires that you got to take with fuel, whatever, we're looking at a lot of those things."
“Four tires” usually means replacing all the tires on the car at once. That can give the car better grip again, but it also takes more time than doing something smaller.
“Four tires” implies a full tire change (all wheels) rather than a partial swap. In most racing contexts, changing all four tires resets grip and tire wear more completely, which can affect lap times and how long a stint can be.
mandatory tire changes with refueling
"for next year, you know, four tires that you got to take with fuel, whatever, we're looking at a lot of those things. So if you come down and put fuel in, you have to take tires."
They’re talking about a racing rule that forces teams to change tires when they refuel. That means you can’t just add fuel and keep the same tires, so the pit stop takes longer and teams have to plan around that.
The segment describes a rule where teams must take tires when they refuel (e.g., “four tires” with fuel). Mandatory service rules change strategy by removing the option to refuel without also changing tires, which typically increases pit stop time and reduces the urgency of “saving” tires.
tire chains
"So there's not that such an urgency on saving. Jesus, these tire chains are making $300,000. There we go."
The phrase sounds like “tire chains,” but in this context it’s probably meant to be “tire changes.” That would just mean swapping tires during the pit stop, which affects how long the stop takes and how teams plan the race.
The transcript appears to reference “tire chains,” but in a racing pit-stop context it’s likely a mishearing for “tire changes.” If the intent is “tire changes,” it would connect directly to the earlier discussion about mandatory tire swaps and their cost/impact on pit strategy.
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