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Here's What You Might Not Know About BJ McLeod

Here's What You Might Not Know About BJ McLeod

The Dale Jr. Download Apr 17, 2026 30 min
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About this episode

Kyle Busch’s struggles at RCR spark a blunt debate: whether it’s equipment, the next-gen car’s feel, or simply a multi-year performance slump that’s become “normal.” The hosts also zoom out to Ty Gibbs’ trajectory, arguing his prime window may be longer thanks to strong JGR resources—while emphasizing the real challenge is sustaining Joe Gibbs’ leadership, sponsor relationships, and operational magic after he’s gone. A separate interview with BJ McLeod highlights his super late model dominance, near-misses in NASCAR, and how a hurricane-era demolition business helped fund his racing path. The show closes with discussion of Talladega stage changes and fuel-mileage strategy concerns.

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Topic

free agents

"Aren't there supposed to be like 15 to 20 drivers that are free agents this year? Okay, what big team is going to hire him?"

A “free agent” is a driver who isn’t locked into one team anymore. Other teams can then try to sign them if they have an opening.

Company

Gibbs

"I don't know. I'm saying the Gibbs, right? They're happy with their lineup. Kyle's 40 years old."

“Gibbs” is a shorthand reference to Joe Gibbs Racing, another top NASCAR organization. The hosts are speculating whether a driver could move to that team based on available seats and team needs.

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open seats

"What are the potential open seats? Potentially the 48."

“Open seats” means available driver spots at NASCAR teams—places where a team needs a driver for a car. When many drivers are free agents, the number of open seats strongly affects who can get hired.

Company

RCR

"So how much is this RCR and how much is this... I don't know. Clearly, RCR is not good right now. Well, I think that's what a lot of people think is that..."

RCR is a NASCAR racing team run by Richard Childress. The hosts are saying the team hasn’t been performing as well lately, which makes it harder for the driver to get fast results every week.

Concept

points ahead

"He's right now seven points ahead of Austin Dillon. Okay, then. It's time to be honest about what's going on."

In NASCAR, drivers earn points based on how they finish in each race. If someone is “points ahead,” it means they’re currently doing better in the season standings, but it doesn’t guarantee anything—one bad stretch can change it.

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consistent basis

"I think that he doesn't know how to get the speed out of the next year in car on a consistent basis. There's been flashes of it."

They’re talking about being fast every time, not just sometimes. In racing, that means the car setup and driving feel have to work reliably from week to week.

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cars running closer together

"But now that everything is coming out in the wash, you're seeing these cars running closer together. Like, look at any of the statistics of where the dispersion of dots were on lap times in 2022 at any particular track."

This means the race cars are more evenly matched than they used to be. If one team used to be way faster, now more teams are similar. So drivers can’t just coast on a faster car—they have to be sharper to gain spots.

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dispersion of dots on lap times

"Like, look at any of the statistics of where the dispersion of dots were on lap times in 2022 at any particular track. at any particular track. And look at that same track today in 2026."

They’re talking about how close everyone’s lap times are. If the lap times are spread out, some cars are much faster than others. If the lap times cluster together, it means the whole field is more evenly matched, so small differences matter more.

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Victory Lane

"And if you're expecting Kyle Busch to just go back to Victory Lane on a regular basis, you are kidding yourselves and you're going to be very disappointed."

Victory Lane is the spot where the race winner celebrates. Saying someone can’t be expected to get back to Victory Lane regularly means they probably won’t be winning races often right now.

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change cars

"I just think that until we change cars or something has to change, I don't know what. I have no idea."

They’re basically saying that if the race cars themselves (the rules and setup options) don’t change, results may stay similar. Sometimes a driver can improve, but if the car package is holding them back, you need a bigger change to see a big turnaround.

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crew chief

"I'm not as crew chief. I'm not as engineer and I'm not his team owner."

The crew chief is basically the team’s main decision-maker during a race. They help decide how to set up the car and what strategy to use.

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team owner

"I'm not as crew chief. I'm not as engineer and I'm not his team owner. So I'm not in the weeds."

The team owner is the person who runs the racing team and pays for it. They’re involved in big-picture decisions beyond just the day-to-day race strategy.

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engineer

"I'm not as crew chief. I'm not as engineer and I'm not his team owner. So I'm not in the weeds."

An engineer in racing helps interpret what the car is doing and suggests changes to improve performance. They use data and experience to help the team make the car faster and easier to drive.

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Next Gen car

"But he's not in the next gen car. So, yeah, I don't know, though. Like he's went through many different car changes."

In NASCAR, the “Next Gen” car is the newer type of race car NASCAR introduced. It changes how the cars are built and regulated, so driving it can feel different than older generations.

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gen four car

"Like he's went through many different car changes. You know, he was around when it was like the gen four car winning gen five, winning gen six, winning."

NASCAR has used different “generations” of race cars over the years. Each generation can drive and handle differently because the rules and car design change.

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gen five

"You know, he was around when it was like the gen four car winning gen five, winning gen six, winning. He was able to adapt to those."

“Gen five” is NASCAR’s next step in race car design after an earlier generation. When NASCAR changes the generation, teams often have to adjust how they set up and drive the cars.

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gen six

"You know, he was around when it was like the gen four car winning gen five, winning gen six, winning. He was able to adapt to those."

“Gen six” means NASCAR’s later version of the race car platform. Each new generation can change how the car behaves, so adapting matters.

Brand

JGR

"Gen six car his last few years and gen six at JGR was not good."

JGR is a well-known NASCAR racing team. The speaker is saying that during the “Gen six” era, even that strong team didn’t get the results they expected.

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partnerships they need to fund the operation

"...that is the challenge for Gibbs is when Joe is gone, how can they continue to have the partnerships they need to fund the operation..."

Race teams need money to keep running, and sponsors are a big part of that. If the person who builds those sponsor relationships is gone, it can be harder to keep the funding steady.

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build fast race cars

"...to be able to build fast race cars? And if they can find that magic way to do those things..."

“Build fast race cars” is about translating engineering decisions into on-track speed—typically through chassis setup, aerodynamics, and powertrain calibration. In racing, speed is a system outcome, not just one part of the car.

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driver can be only as good as the equipment and the organization

"But he's going to be only as good as the equipment and the organization he's with. And so that's kind of how I look at that."

Racing isn’t just about the driver. If the team doesn’t give you a fast, well-prepared car and good strategy, your performance will be limited no matter how skilled you are.

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Xfinity series

"I really knew who you were until you got into the Xfinity series, right? And I had no idea that you had done all of this..."

The Xfinity Series is NASCAR’s major stepping-stone series. It’s where many drivers prove themselves before trying to reach the top NASCAR level.

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Cup

"a lot of our current younger fans know you mainly from your experience in racing in Cup and Xfinity as a car owner as well..."

“Cup” is NASCAR’s top-level series. The speaker is saying some fans know him from the biggest NASCAR stage, not from his earlier racing background.

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super late models

"Talk about first off, I guess, how much you enjoyed racing at that level in super late models having success. What did you believe was your dream at that time?"

Super late models are a serious level of stock-car racing. Drivers often race them to build skills and prove they can compete before moving up to bigger NASCAR-style series.

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Indy car driver

"If you go back to the beginning of super late, my entire life, so five years old, I actually want to be an Indy car driver."

Being an Indy car driver means racing open-wheel cars at the top level in the U.S. It’s a different kind of racing than NASCAR, so some drivers start with that dream before switching paths.

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NASCAR

"I was like, you know what, I'm going to go to NASCAR out. So I just felt like I fit more in NASCAR."

NASCAR is the big stock-car racing league in the U.S. The guest describes how he shifted his dream toward NASCAR as his racing career developed.

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go-karts

"really just focused on what my parents had me in, which was go-karts then and switched to super late models."

Go-karts are usually where racers start. They help you learn how to drive fast, steer well, and race other drivers before you move to bigger cars.

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Concord

"They did like a combine type deal where you went to Concord and drove the car, drove the SA car."

Concord is a major NASCAR hub in North Carolina. It’s where a lot of teams test and where driver tryouts can happen.

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combine type deal

"They did like a combine type deal where you went to Concord and drove the car, drove the SA car. And then if you did well enough there, you were going to get to race it."

Think of it like a job tryout. NASCAR teams sometimes run events where drivers test cars and the best performers earn a shot to race.

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Pit Road

"And I remember parking on Pit Road after the test. [1031.8s] I did 75 laps straight."

Pit Road is where the crew works on the race car during a race. Drivers also use it to get the car ready, and it’s a big part of how teams manage speed and strategy.

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tire/track consistency via lap time variation

"I did 75 laps straight. And I still remember, I varied two laps, I varied two tenths. And I never been on Concord, but two laps I varied two tenths and the other 73 laps I varied four hundredths."

BJ McLeod emphasizes how tightly he could control lap times—varying only a few tenths or hundredths over many laps. In racing, that kind of consistency is valuable because it indicates predictable car behavior and good tire management, not just a single fast lap.

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ASA car

"And I hadn't been in an ASA car in, you know, probably three years at that point. But anyway, I remember parking on Pit Road..."

ASA refers to a stock-car racing series (American Speed Association) that existed separately from NASCAR’s top divisions. BJ McLeod notes he hadn’t been in an ASA car for years, highlighting how different series/vehicle setups and driving styles can be.

Topic

Nashville

"And he's like, how'd you like to race Nashville? And I was like, I'd love to race Nashville, right? So they took me to Nashville..."

They’re talking about racing at a track near Nashville. He’s saying he wanted that chance and got it after the earlier testing.

Topic

mock run

"So anyway, third quick in practice, I went out to do a mock run, somebody spun, and then I parked just to just, I just slowed down to miss them."

A mock run is basically a rehearsal. They try to act like it’s the real race so everyone knows what to do.

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ran over at speed

"somebody spun, and then I parked just to just, I just slowed down to miss them. And I got ran over, Travis Kittleson actually hit me running like 80 or 90 mile an hour, destroyed the car."

Being “ran over” after a spin implies a high-speed contact incident that can total a race car quickly. In stock-car racing, once a car is down or slowed, the risk of being hit increases dramatically, and damage can end the session or race.

Company

Herzogs

"had a meeting with Herzogs after the race. They wanted me to come test the actual Bush car back then..."

“Herzogs” appears to be the team/organization BJ McLeod was working with during these NASCAR-related opportunities. The episode segment describes how they communicated about testing and offered him a ride after the incident.

Concept

misalignment when we left

"They wanted me to come test the actual Bush car back then. I think it was at Kentucky, they were doing a test. And then there was some kind of misalignment when we left."

They’re saying something about the car’s setup wasn’t straight after they left. That can make the car handle differently and hurt performance.

Topic

Kentucky

"They wanted me to come test the actual Bush car back then. I think it was at Kentucky, they were doing a test."

They’re referencing a track/testing location in Kentucky. The team wanted him to do more testing there.

Concept

percentage thing

"...I said, you know, I would, I said, I don't mind if it's about a percentage thing. You guys can take your percentage. He'll take his percentage."

In racing and motorsports management, a “percentage thing” usually refers to how an agent or management group gets paid—often a cut of winnings, sponsorship money, or appearance fees. The speaker is describing a negotiation over commission rather than the total amount of money.

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top 10s

"...I may have ended up being a successful truck driver, you know, getting several wins. I don't want to go back and redo it. I'm 100% happy with the decision I made. So I, you know, you know, I'd already met Jessica..."

A “top 10” is when you finish the race in the first ten spots. It’s a way to show you were competitive, even if you didn’t win.

Concept

demolition license

"she was like, do you, uh, do you want to do, get a demolition license and see if you can go get some work? And I was like, well, how much is it?"

A demolition license is permission from the government to do demolition jobs legally. In the story, it’s how the speaker earned money to support racing.

Concept

super late model races

"And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to win super late model races. Like I have so much, I always will have so much respect for everyone that races at the regional level in every class."

Late Model racing is a type of short-track stock-car competition. “Super Late Model” usually means a faster, more high-performance version of that class, with cars built to race hard on oval tracks.

Topic

regional level racing

"Like I have so much, I always will have so much respect for everyone that races at the regional level in every class. Like it doesn't, if you go to the racetrack and race on Saturday night and work on your car and unload it and, and bust your ass to go win, like you got my respect."

Regional racing is local or mid-level competition, usually on short tracks. The big idea here is that racers often do a lot of the work on their cars themselves between races.

Topic

racing on Saturday night

"Like it doesn't, if you go to the racetrack and race on Saturday night and work on your car and unload it and, and bust your ass to go win, like you got my respect."

In this kind of racing, you might race one night and then immediately turn around and work on the car right after. It’s a fast schedule that requires quick fixes and lots of effort.

Concept

New Smyrna

"...to me learning that at New Smyrna. The best thing I've done, right? As a driver..."

“New Smyrna” is a race track where drivers practice and race. Learning a track like that helps you understand how to drive and set up the car better.

Concept

truck race

"...I would round up enough money to go run one truck race. And he's like, if that's what you want to do, do it."

A “truck race” is a race series where the cars are based on pickup trucks. The trucks are modified for racing, and it’s a common place for drivers to gain experience.

Concept

Craftsman series truck

"...they supplied the labor and built me a Craftsman series truck for, for October Martinsville that year, it was 2010."

A “Craftsman series truck” is a race pickup truck built to compete in a specific truck racing series. It’s not just a normal truck—it’s prepared to race under that series’ rules.

Concept

Martinsville

"...built my truck for, for October Martinsville that year, it was 2010."

Martinsville is a famous short race track in Virginia. It’s known for tight turns and lots of braking, so race cars and drivers have to be set up for that style of track.

Concept

tore down

"...I worked every day with everybody there, seven to whenever I tore down, I took Todd's trucks apart to tear down on them..."

“Tore down” means taking parts apart. In racing, that’s how teams check for damage and make sure everything is safe and working right.

Term

iPad

"Here's where the loophole is a net. The phone might be close to dying, but then he just switches to his iPad, so he's still available. He's still online."

They’re saying when their phone battery gets low, they use an iPad instead so they can still use apps and stay online. It’s basically a backup device.

Term

fob

"We still have to have the fob. I don't lose the fob. I'm pretty good about that. It's just my phone."

A fob is the small electronic key you use to control your car. It can unlock the doors and sometimes start the car without putting in a traditional key.

Topic

Talladega stages

"All right. Last one. The changes made to Talladega stages will be enough to end fuel mileage racing."

Talladega stages are how the race is divided into sections. If the sections get longer or shorter, teams have to change when they pit and when they push the car.

Concept

fuel mileage racing

"All right. Last one. The changes made to Talladega stages will be enough to end fuel mileage racing."

This is racing where the goal isn’t just to go fast—it’s also to use as little fuel as possible. If the rules change how the race is split into stages, teams have to plan when to drive hard and when to conserve fuel.

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stage limits

"For the listeners, just so you know, Freddy's hard car is sitting on the table between he and Steve... I think the idea is I don't think we have the exact stage limits and now the stage. Yeah, it's going to be a long first stage..."

Stage limits are basically the rules that say when each part of the race ends. If those limits change, you can’t use the same fuel/pit plan—you may need to stop earlier or later.

Concept

save fuel

"...we all save fuel, we pit, we come out, we race our asses off to the end of the stage... I'm worried that we're going to have to save, save, save, pit, continue to save..."

“Save fuel” means driving in a way that uses less gas, like easing off the throttle more than you would if you were just trying to win immediately. The worry here is that a longer stage could force teams to conserve fuel for much longer.

Term

caution

"but then my biggest concern is we have a planned caution that's going to be with whatever you want to say, 40, 50 to go, something like that."

A caution is when the race slows down because something happened on the track. After that, the cars restart, and that can change who has the best chance to pass.

Term

short fill

"Now some guys may short fill to try to get track position. That's that's a crew chief question."

A “short fill” means you put in less fuel than normal. Teams do it to try to stay ahead on track position, but it can make the next part of the race tighter.

Concept

two by two restart

"And I'm worried we're going to end up with two by two hard to form that third lane again. But here's one thing, we've always gotten to that position, we start pushing with only about 10 laps to go. Right? Yep."

In a “two by two” restart, the cars line up side-by-side in pairs and don’t immediately spread out. That can limit where you can pass at first, because everyone is still bunched up in lanes.

Concept

third lane

"And I'm worried we're going to end up with two by two hard to form that third lane again. But here's one thing, we've always gotten to that position, we start pushing with only about 10 laps to go."

The “third lane” is basically an extra place to drive that lets cars pass when the track is crowded. Whether it works depends on grip and how the race is being managed.

Concept

shark fin and A post

"We have seen with some of the changes, the shark fin and the A post, like we have seen that third lane be a little more viable places."

The “shark fin” and “A post” are aerodynamic bodywork elements used on NASCAR cars to influence airflow and downforce. Changes to these parts can affect how stable and grippy cars are in different lanes, which is why they’re discussed in terms of making a third lane viable.

Term

pitstops

"I don't know the process is publicly about the pitstops. ... for next year, you know, four tires that you got to take with fuel, whatever, we're looking at a lot of those things."

A pit stop is when a race car pulls into the pits to get serviced. Teams usually refuel and change tires, and the rules about what you must do can change how long the stop takes and how teams plan the race.

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four tires

"for next year, you know, four tires that you got to take with fuel, whatever, we're looking at a lot of those things."

“Four tires” usually means replacing all the tires on the car at once. That can give the car better grip again, but it also takes more time than doing something smaller.

Concept

mandatory tire changes with refueling

"for next year, you know, four tires that you got to take with fuel, whatever, we're looking at a lot of those things. So if you come down and put fuel in, you have to take tires."

They’re talking about a racing rule that forces teams to change tires when they refuel. That means you can’t just add fuel and keep the same tires, so the pit stop takes longer and teams have to plan around that.

Term

tire chains

"So there's not that such an urgency on saving. Jesus, these tire chains are making $300,000. There we go."

The phrase sounds like “tire chains,” but in this context it’s probably meant to be “tire changes.” That would just mean swapping tires during the pit stop, which affects how long the stop takes and how teams plan the race.

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