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I think as someone who lives in the suburbs and has kids and carpools, this is going to be hot.

I do think there will be over sticker, there will be a lot of demand.

The number one question I get, and I'm sure you get to, is what's the best vehicle that

has three rows?

It is really, unless you have 100 grand plus someone in EV, which the R1S is the right answer.

If you want gas and you want not 100 grand, this is the answer.

I'm a pal, save man, though.

You know what?

It doesn't matter.

And it's actually funny because the key people brought the teller out here and they were

going all these ways that they're different, all these ways teller is better.

And like, to consumers, they're pretty similar.

I get that question, what's the best three row?

I have put 10 of my friends into palisades or teller, right?

I love the new explorer is great.

The new pathfinder is surprisingly good, actually.

I'm kind of off the Highlander and the pilot, believe it or not.

I think they've fallen a little bit behind in terms of tech, but everybody loves how

this works.

Don't you feel like all of those vehicles are falling short vehicles?

You wanted to tell you ride, but you settled with like a pilot because it was out of stock

or 5 grand over stickers.

What they've done that's especially impressive is the design of this car.

Yeah.

Everyone else was wanted to make kind of an off-roading looking thing.

You know, the G-wagon's hot and the Raptor's hot and off-roading is big, the forerunner.

And everybody else like wanted to do it.

And so they did like little touches and Kia just went and made the car look boxy.

Right.

The Hyundai one, they just put red toe hooks on it.

Yeah.

The palisade and it looks odd.

So the palisade isn't as right.

This one.

I think they did a good job facelifting this without making a two-polarizing.

I think the EV9 is kind of hand, but the EV9 warmed us up so that this didn't become

two-polarizing, again like a reverse halo car.

So nailed it.

And what kind of three-row CVs people driving in Wichita?

Oh, five Cadillac escalaries.

Yeah, I was going to say GMT's, baby.

Yeah.

GMT-A hell yeah.

Still everywhere.

Falling apart, but won't die.

That's still true here.

I'm astonished by how many of the, not that that body style and the body style after

that.

I am astonished by how many of those are still running.

Yeah.

It's funny because those came from an era when people still had the perception that

American cars were unreliable, which should not be completely false about those cars

in particular.

Yep.

They are falling apart.

Like the materials are not that good, but you can keep them running and rust is happening.

The interior looks horrible.

The lights falling off, but the drive train's still going up until they did the cylinder deactivation

stuff.

Oh, was that the problem?

That was the thing.

The active fuel management kind of killed that.

You didn't want to deactivate the cylinders.

You wanted to keep the cylinders active.

This is America.

Uzzling that gas.

Yep.

You want to guzzle?

Next.

So anyway, new tell you're out.

I just did the review.

It's up.

You should go watch it or not.

It looks nice on the inside, too, right?

Like good features.

Of course.

Yes.

They said that in the spring, it's coming out.

And I just think, just looking at it in person, I was astonished.

I love the old one.

And this one is even cooler.

I am not a big fan of the little black things over the wheel arches, which I got a lot of

comments about.

They do not have a purpose.

They are purely cosmetic.

I think they're weird.

But I also think they're only on the X-Pro.

I think the non-X-Pro models don't have them.

You know what else is weird?

Just the name X-Pro is a trim level.

Don't you think when you think X-Pro, you think of an X-professional?

Yeah, like someone who plays tennis.

We're being junior.

Yes.

Roger Federer is an X-Pro.

And I was thinking that's like an extra tier on only fans, you know, or something.

Yeah.

I like how you think.

Who be and I together is going to be the disaster for the editor.

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McLaren.

McLaren announced a roadmap of upcoming vehicles, including a new Halo car that's going

to be 900 horsepower, which I guess with the EVs 900 doesn't really sound like a headline

to me at all.

But they're going to have a new really fast car that presumably will look like all of

their other lineup.

Right.

And then they will have an SUV.

And the SUV is rumored to be like a Cayenne turbo competitor in terms of size.

So not like a cute little yut, but like a big boy SUV that you can bring all your finance

pros together with, I guess, sculpted and muscular with presence.

This is a rendering.

It is not from McLaren.

So who knows?

This is not what it's going to look like.

It looks good.

Whoever photoshopped it or anything.

It is what it should look like.

Yeah.

I agree.

It's a no-brainer because the Uris sells so well.

It does.

Among that crowd.

And those are the type of people who also buy McLaren.

Some of the rivals do not sell that well.

The DBX has been a hard sell since the day it came out.

Have you thought about it used DBX?

Yes.

Are they under 100 yet?

No.

That's what happens.

I mean, gotta be close.

That's pretty cool.

Yeah.

It needs to have the V8 or it's going to be a failure.

If they're like, yeah, what are we going to do with the, not, it's going to be a plug-in

hybrid.

I mean, I don't know if it'll be a failure or not.

That'll be a failure.

These are all plug-in hybrids.

You can't launch one of these and not have it be a plug-in hybrid.

Okay.

It'll be a failure.

I would argue that an SUV from a McLaren would be a failure anyway just on its face.

Have you seen what's happened with the Lotus SUV?

No.

Lotus, you know about this.

Lotus launched an SUV called the Electra, but it's electric and they build it in

China.

And so it has a huge tariff and it's like $250,000 and nobody's purchased one.

You're not interested in the Lotus one.

You've never seen one.

No.

No one has.

Yeah.

They don't exist.

Did you review one?

Yeah.

I didn't watch that video.

I'm sorry.

It was good.

I skipped that one.

That one.

Unlike some of the others and I'm not going to name names, that one was pretty good.

I apologize.

Um, McLaren SUV.

As a McLaren owner.

That's right.

And a former.

Yes.

You've had a couple.

You had an MP4, right?

MP412C, the SLR McLaren, which you have now, so I'm looking at it right now and just

trying not to cry my eyes out.

Yeah.

I love the.

What do you think about this new direction?

A plug-in hybrid SUV.

I know.

They got to do it.

Everybody's got to do it, right?

Every vehicle after 2008's dead to me.

He hasn't paid attention any car since away.

It's similar, but I try.

Yeah.

Uh, anyway, I think it'll be interesting.

It'll be interesting to see where it's priced and all that stuff.

You know, the purest songway gives these automakers, give these automakers hope that they

can get a lot of money out of these cars.

But in some cases, they've been hard sells.

If Ferrari did it, then no one has to have any shame about trying anymore.

That's right.

There's no purist, whatever.

It'll certainly be interesting to see how McLaren tries to translate its design language,

which is very swoopy mid-engine exotic car into an SUV.

My, I still believe it did not translate well for Lamborghini.

I still think Urus is an ugly car.

I think it's been ugly since the day it came out.

Uh, so this will be the car.

Do you want to agree?

You like the Urus?

No.

The Cardinal sent everyone does is they just try to take their car and lift it and it just

the proportions don't work.

It's start never that is never looked good and everyone's tried it and 955 Cayenne Porsche

tried it.

Yes.

Cayenne, which in years sense has kind of become well regarded, but I was there when

it launched.

Trash.

And I will remember, people hated how that looked and the Cullen and they tried to do the

same thing, which was a little odd and the Urus was, it just didn't go well.

And take it worse.

You had one of those two, right?

I did.

How did that go?

You had 12?

I had 12.

It was good.

Was it reliable?

Yeah, never had a problem.

What did you buy it in cellophore?

It's been years now.

So four or five years ago, I bought it for a little over 100 and sold it for, I think

low 80s.

Damn.

Yeah.

I want that car.

I want a Bentley so bad.

But he said this Bentley Arnage, that's been the worst car any of us ever had.

That's different.

That was like pre Volkswagen Audi.

I don't know that the addition of Volkswagen Audi makes me feel more confident.

I had a B5.

No, it helps.

Yeah.

My 2006 has been good for almost three years now.

80,000 miles?

No.

2006, Flying Spur?

No, it's not Flying Spur.

It's a kind of a T.

Yeah.

I had a B5.

A lot of issues.

Frequently when I had my B5, A4, you drive along, you're talking about a B5, 20 years ago.

You drive along.

And sometimes the check engine light would come on.

Not only to come on and start flashing, which, if you look at the owner's manual, it says,

immediately turn off the car and drive through the dealership flashing.

Terrified.

You turn the car off.

If you turn it back on, no check engine light at all.

That was the level of quality that my B5, A4.

That's, that's a great anecdote.

You know, I'm hesitant to buy a Ford because my, my papa who served in World War II for

one year, he was actually, I found a stationed in New York City during World War II.

He was actually, I found a stationed in New York City during World War II.

Yeah.

World War II.

That's a very, very high recession.

Yeah.

He had a, he had a, he had a Model T and it wouldn't start sometimes.

So the Explorer is just off the list.

You're missing the point.

Am I, I think I'm nailing it.

Volkswagen Audi does not inject reliability, except to Lamborghini.

They, they do compare to our not.

Sorry.

And your baseline is that low.

Literally anyone can inject.

Yeah.

It's a, unfixable silver seroth right now because it is done.

What are you going to do that?

I pushed it off a cliff.

You thought about bearing it?

That's a thought.

Didn't, didn't you get some, some trouble for a bit?

So, yeah, they loved it when I buried cars 10 years ago.

And now, no, I can't, so it's, I had an X6M that I dug a hole and buried it because

I had the wrong engine.

Somebody like a non-im engine could get this thing to run in it.

So great.

And then sold it at a dealer auction.

And it shows up like, what the hell?

And like trying to get like hammering in these lines and fittings to fit.

And they're just leaking everywhere.

It was a mess.

So, okay, dig a whole barrier.

That's my, that's my out to get you two videos out of it.

Furious.

Like, I think that car could have fed all the starving kids in Africa.

Who may ask is that?

Are you referring to the audience?

The audience.

The audience loved it when he buried cars 10 years ago.

The EPA, however, their stance on this whole thing is unchained.

It's my land.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

I can't tell what to do with my land in Kansas.

Or like jumping the land Rover evoke.

I thought nobody was going to care about that.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, they're so mad.

Every time you destroy a car on YouTube, you get an enormous amount of hate

because you took a car away from a, from needy children.

There were needy children, hungry children who could have eaten the car.

And, and now they cannot eat the car.

Yeah, yeah.

Even though massive liability for anyone to get just to get that car.

Yeah, to sell some of these cars.

I destroyed an all road that was already completely destroyed.

And I still get hate to this day.

And I, then I tell people about my B5.

Next story.

Oh, yes.

Something.

Spiker is back or planning or come back.

The original founder bought back all the intellectual property.

Obviously there's that dude in the Netherlands that's like flying around

to Ed Bullion's garage and fixing them himself.

So the band is back together and there's hope for Spiker.

I have to say with all the BS hypercar brands.

That are just, you know, like AI generated whatever.

Spiker is one of my favorites.

Like I, I, I think of Spiker personally as cooler than Conexag or Pagani.

In terms of just like, it's pretty 2008.

It's my jam.

How many times has it failed a couple?

A couple.

So it's, it's on there like Fisker.

You know, it comes back and it's like the B5 out of you.

Just turn it off and turn it back on.

I will say, though, it has failed a few times.

The cars were cheap.

The cars have, there's become in the last five years a real groundswell of interest

around the cars.

The cars are now a regular seat.

It's now a 350 car.

And when the cars become valuable, this happened with Bugatti, honestly.

The name starts to become valuable again.

And the revival of the name becomes appealing again.

And you could possibly see something coming out of this.

It'd be cool.

I drove at Bullions.

It was neat.

I'd have a gated R8 over it.

You'd have to get it right over the Spiker.

Yeah.

If they were worth the same amount of money.

It's cool.

Okay.

But yeah.

What?

Why?

The Spiker is a gated R8.

But a much nicer fancier version.

Yeah.

It's like the beautiful detail work.

You don't like the detail.

You won't pass it.

The quality really, it wasn't.

It didn't blow my mind in person.

It built my head.

Now, I saw it in person.

It was like, it's all this machine finished stuff on the dash.

It's beautiful leather.

The open linkage.

The propeller steering wheel.

You get that and you think.

I really want it's quite.

It's surface level.

Kind of just like like gimmicks.

I feel like.

Yeah.

You wanted like everything to be cast iron under the skin.

Okay.

Well, it's not a goal wing for God's sake.

It's a, it's a spider.

But it's like someone try.

Like, let's, let's put all this stuff on the surface

to make it seem like it's a classic car.

And it's just, it didn't work.

There is a little bit of Excalibur to it.

Yeah.

Where it's like, there is some, some tricking

you to think of this vintage, which I don't love.

Like a vintage airplane is what they're going for.

Right.

When really what we want is to march forward.

But like, like, singer makes a really beautiful handmade

looking stuff.

But they don't make it look like it's 1942.

Yeah.

But still, the spike is cool.

It looks cool.

I'm just saying.

You'd rather have an R8.

Yeah.

Rather have an R8.

One of the worst hot takes ever presented on the car.

All right.

Well, that's why we love it.

So he doesn't want Spiker to return.

Oh, my goodness.

He's sitting here thinking I hope to God.

This doesn't happen.

Do you know that Spiker at one point made an SUV?

No.

Pull it up.

The pecking to Paris.

Oh, you think I'm going to be able to figure out how to do this?

That's such a good point.

Oh, my good Lord.

I was going back through.

Oh, no.

Okay.

I think it's skating hands.

All right.

You know, we don't have to do.

Oh, wow.

I did it.

If I pecking to Paris.

If I pull it up on my phone and like hold it up

to Paris.

No, pecking to Paris to the name of a peaking is an SUV.

Okay.

Well, that's images.

Look at that.

You know about this.

Oh, jeez.

Oh, my goodness.

Talk about a bad example of trying to take the car design

and making it larger.

That existed.

And still exists.

Someone owns it.

I would love to buy.

I would pay what that's worth.

That's a better one.

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Yes.

Did you, Ford Lightning owner, Tyler Hoover?

It's good that you're here.

Did you read this week the Wall Street Journal reported?

It's because of his viral videos and all of the info wars-type media style.

I did not think that that was going to go with crazy.

You were like on newsmax and stuff.

I was everywhere from Sean Hannity, newsmax.

What was that one guy, the crazy guy?

The F-150 Lightning Wall Street Journal reported this week

that Ford is likely going to cancel it.

Ford has not communicated this.

They have not confirmed this.

But, you know, a story like that at Wall Street Journal is pretty well sourced.

They also reported, I don't remember the exact numbers,

but they sold last month something like 100,000 F-150s,

of which 1,300 were like, I mean, it is like a,

and of course, when you think about,

it's not like a special edition that's cosmetic.

Yeah.

There was a lot of development that went into this truck.

Yeah. You would think that they could keep it going

since it's just on the F-150 platform,

but it must be different enough to be,

to get rid of it.

Yeah. I think the cost to make them,

they're selling 1,300.

I mean, it looks like the Chevy's are on, you know,

an even platform with the hummers and everything else.

So they have a big platform, but these are just,

yeah, I mean, my guess is that they're going to continue making it

until there's some sort of F-150 facelift

and then they're not going to bother doing a lightning.

Well, the Maverick they've talked about,

where it's like the under 30 grand electric Maverick

is going to nuke those,

because that's where all the buyers are going to go, right?

That's right. You know, the majority of Mavericks I see are hybrids.

And honestly, I think the use case is clearly there for a,

a hybrid truck and a Maverick hybrid.

People who are buying that already want sort of like an

in-town fuel economy, fuel-efficient kind of thing.

And it works great for that.

But boy, the electric truck didn't last, did it?

Huvian, I are into the F-650 on the site right now.

That's more our jam.

Yeah, so that was, that was an interesting chapter in my YouTube history

going viral for some, yeah, crazy reasons.

I bought it and I put a Model A pickup truck on a trailer,

aluminum trailer, very light, and just tried to tow it

30 or 40 miles up and back on a full battery.

And it is in winter time.

It almost didn't make it.

Not even 100 miles, towing a very light load.

And I just made a video talking about it and saying

this doesn't make any sense for any kind of use for anybody using a truck.

I remember, this is a big deal.

The amount of news coverage that got.

Yeah.

I was everywhere.

Do you have any regrets about the role you played in

killing the American automobile industry?

It was, I think they did a good job themselves.

But yeah, getting, getting emails from the higher ups at Ford

and asking me, they didn't want to ask me to take down the video

and the things and.

Well, ultimately it was the truth.

Well, somewhat.

But then Alex Jones got a hold of it.

And he's just reacting to it live as he's watching it.

He really hadn't watched the video before.

So he's looking at it and driving in my neighborhood.

And he goes, see it won't go over 20 miles an hour.

And then, you know, and then just speed limit.

And then look, it can't even go.

And my first car is a Volkswagen Beetle list.

It could do circles around this thing.

No, the thing's fast.

So, you know, I do that criticism about it.

And about Alex Jones not getting this right.

And the defenders not to go political.

But I mean, I am still Alex Jones has defenders.

Even to this.

You're going to get it in the comments.

He was right about everything.

He's right about everything.

And like they, they get so angry at me for.

Wow.

For saying he was wrong on.

I drove the car.

I know what happened.

I was the hard sandy hook thing would have settled all that about Alex Jones.

No, but they are.

It's funny because all of this is common knowledge.

Now, EVs lose their range in the cold and they don't tow well.

That's not controversial.

It was common knowledge at the time, but not.

It was, it was, it was the video made it simple and clear enough.

Hey, here's a guy to one in a, you know, in Kansas.

Like this isn't some trick.

There's nothing trickery.

This is just a dude.

And I do think that was, that was interesting.

And honestly, I think, I don't know that video necessarily had a huge role.

But the, the facts that came out of that video are real reason why this truck has not been successful.

Yeah.

And it's the cold weather is especially bad on these because they don't do any kind of battery heating with them.

Yeah.

So then that, that's, that's the big difference with Tesla where they're, they're still a big hit in the cold, but just not as bad.

And so these are just atrocious when it gets cold out.

I'm not surprised.

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This is happening. This is getting canceled. It seems like an issue's case.

Even in California, I don't see that many of them.

It's, it's a shame though because I think it was a really well engineered well designed vehicle.

They were super excited about it when it was first coming out.

And here was Ford like not doing some stupid EV that looks like an egg like so many early EVs but like actually creating a full size truck that was a truck.

And this also ties into other EV news.

Give us the my back information.

And it's not really just my back but Mercedes is slashing the prices across the board of their EVs.

Much like the lightning after the incentives ended, the sales plummeted.

Yeah, there's a lot of reasons for that.

I think a lot of the sales has got pulled forward.

However, you can get 50 grand off on a MyBock EQS.

So there are $100,000 new.

I had one that was a one, no nine sticker that I bought for 34.

It was a 2022.

And these are EQS.

These are like this, the example that I saw was a $200,000 sticker.

Oh, for like an AMG or a MyBock.

My MyBock EQS, which has been a very hard card to sell from what I've heard from my friends at Mercedes Benz dealerships.

Possibly the hardest new Mercedes Benz at all to sell.

They're saying $50,000 coming back on a $50,000 discount if you get a 25.

Oh, it seems like it's one of few cars where everybody's rolling with 20 or 30 grand negative equity and they can hide it in those cars.

So that's the only way they're moving them, I think currently.

But talk about negative equity.

You roll it, you roll a negative equity back.

Yeah, I know.

Next person said, it'd better be a cruise liner or something.

You get gap insurance and you point it towards a tree.

And that, well, that is actual dealership advice that, you know, we like, hey, you got gap insurance.

Just aim for the front ride of the car.

Put it in.

Yeah, that's.

I used to tell people that down.

It's a Tyler Hoover, Chrysler Dodge GP.

Oh, you know, but yeah, I was not impressed with the fit and finish on the EQS.

And I especially compared to the S class.

And the same price is the S class.

And they're so different as far as the quality of the door creaking and just that kind of stuff.

I was like the only EQS defender and I still am.

I think they drive amazingly.

They're so incredible.

They drive great.

Do you want to hear this?

Every time, like this cracking popping noise every time you go outside.

Chrysler vehicle that Mercedes-Benz sent to me, which I'm sure was very representative of the overall market.

Completely fine.

No problems at all in that car.

And my review was not aided by at all by the fact that they put a nice little box of chocolates in the pack.

No, I loved that car.

And I liked it a lot when it was new, although it seemed like a bad value at the time.

But as a used car, I would put up with a lot of creaking in the door for $34,000 three-year-old car.

When I bought it, I was researching the car to see what other people said about it.

I watched your video and I think you said this is going to be a big hit from Mercedes or something like that.

You were calling it out like this.

Big hit.

This is a game changer here.

Well, listen, it felt like it was going to be a game changer in part because I reviewed the car on Halloween

and the infotainment graphics all changed to like pumpkins and things.

Oh, it's got to work.

And I was like, I was work.

They've done it.

Yeah.

They've got it.

Unfortunately, that distracted me from the fact that it was $130,000 electric car that nobody wanted.

It was tough to...the pumpkins.

They had jack-a-lanterns on them.

It was there anyway.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Smart.

Okay.

Next news, Troy, please.

Jeep 392 is coming back.

I'm not sure that it went away.

It took a year off.

But the big news is that there's two pieces of big news.

Number one is, it's coming back at an $82,000 dollar sticker price.

I looked this up in the final, the last year that it was in production.

It was a 102 sticker price.

So they dropped a sticker price by $20,000, which will surely alienate a wide variety of people who paid $100 grand over the last couple of years.

Yeah.

And...

They were discounting them pretty heavily though at the end.

So this year, going to release, this is true.

They are going to release one new special edition Jeep every month throughout this year.

Month?

Every month.

They're calling it like 12 for 12.

And on the 12th of every month, a new special edition will come out.

So this is what's going to fix Jeep.

This is Chrysler.

Chrysler was going EV.

They were doing all this stuff.

Then they asked that.

They can CEO's gone.

And they're like, let's go back to what we do best.

Big engines and special editions.

So like a restaurant having their specials.

Yeah.

That's their strategy now for selling cars.

Like, okay, you know, we've got, we've got, we've got, we've got picking duck.

Yeah.

That's what we got this month.

Anyway, I like how Toyota does it where you get a special color every year for the TRD pros.

That's kind of neat that you can tell.

But every month, even the hardcore Jeep, people won't be able to be like,

Oh, that's a February car.

A pumpkin spice.

Yeah.

I'm going to say something.

Oh, yeah.

Definitely got to do pumpkin.

I'm going to say something that is going to surprise you.

And maybe a you a little bit, but especially you.

And I'm going to say it and then we're going to move on.

There are times where I have considered a G500 cabriolet departure

and a Wrangler 3.92 arrival.

Wow.

Time.

When it is entered my mind.

I think they're cool as hell, but.

A hundred and no.

80.

No, I'd get it.

That's still a lot.

I mean, a Wrangler.

It's deep down.

It's a Wrangler.

Yeah.

But you think the EQS had bad fit and finish and.

Can I ask you a question?

Since you're stuck in LA.

What do you think a Wrangler costs?

16.

14.

They're affordable.

I get a bull.

Come at me from the TJ days, Nick.

Wrangler's like 50 base.

I mean, kids in my high school had, I mean, you did a two-inch body left

and you put some 33s on it.

I think a lot.

They're just basic.

They're old-school off-roaders.

Still, they kept to their cords.

Yeah.

My Paul has one.

He locks his.

Etc.

39 to 2.

Yeah, right.

They do sound good.

They sound great.

This is your grandfather.

My dad.

My father into him.

Yes.

What else does he have?

Okay.

In the middle, in the middle, less, we don't use mom and dad and grandma and grandpa.

We say, pa pa pa pa pa pa pa.

Right.

It's like, call you my daddy.

And then, and then.

Hi, dad.

Steve.

Steve, sometimes.

Yeah.

And Karen, there's two years younger than my dad.

You have done that in a while.

Daddy?

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Do you miss it?

No, but I, you know what I miss about it?

Not that weird voice.

Yeah, daddy.

That can go.

But what I miss is people coming up to me at car events.

And saying, it's daddy, Doug, you're Tyler Hoover's daddy.

I miss that.

Damn it.

Well, you think you've spread your wings now and you don't need me anymore?

I think, I think I have created my own little universe in Kansas.

Uh-huh.

And you have here with cars and bids and all of your people that are your daddy to them now.

Oh.

So I feel like what he's saying is someone else, you know, maybe someone named after a month between March and June calls him daddy.

And so there it is.

I want to confuse him.

Kenan doesn't call you daddy.

No.

Okay, move on to the next news story.

Carmax.

Carmax is apparently failing, doing poorly.

Things are down.

You're to date.

The stack is down 58%.

Who do you take us through?

Give us a carmax memory.

You work there.

I, I'm a, I, I, I, I love carmax dearly.

Of course, my began in this industry by exploiting carmax's use car.

Do you remember who bought carmax?

20 plus years ago.

All I remember is that circuit city founded the carmax.

Yes.

Wow.

They were the creator.

They created it.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well, they sort of made it off basically creative, but sort of bought into it.

Yes.

It was like that.

Circuit City commissioned a consulting company to find out where they were market holes.

Wow.

And the consulting, unrelated to certain consulting company actually adding value.

Yeah.

Wow.

And the more value than circuit city, even.

Right.

The city at their peak started carmax.

And so while that's true, all this is true.

And the consulting company said there are not nationally recognized chain use car dealers,

where people have like a, like a, like a belief in their quality.

You know, it was all spotty.

And so they launched it.

My, my first job in the car business was at carmax, opening in Kansas in 2006.

Wow.

The initial plan, because it actually started time to be in car sales.

It started in the 90s.

The initial plan for carmax was to only roll out in the Southern states,

because they could prevent a lot of the rust and other issues that happened.

And eventually, of course, it became national.

I think it even went eventually went to Canada.

But for a long time, they were only in kind of the, the sort of southern rim

that the sun belt of America, if you will.

And then who he was there selling cars.

I was.

Yeah.

First car ever sold was a trailblazer.

What was the best car you ever sold at carmax?

You know, I don't think there ever was really a good one.

I mean, there's some high in trucks and things, but they didn't have really cool

oddball stuff that they occasionally do now, especially in Kansas.

Carmax.

I didn't make very much money there because there's only $200 fixed commission

a car.

There was no haggle.

People in Kansas hated no haggling.

So I left maybe six months in and went over to a Chevy Cadillac BMW store

and made $1,500 on my first car because the old seven Chevy had just come out.

Oh, the full size.

The full size.

So all that now is hot.

The escalade revised everything.

So it was a hot time to be at a Chevy store and did much better there.

Yeah.

It's a cool idea though.

Get a nice warranty.

Pick up a warranty on that electric BMW.

There you go.

Why are they struggling?

I would think this would be a great time to be carmax.

Why would you think that?

All the new cars suck no one wants them.

They're all overpriced.

Get a used car with the warranty.

It's not going to work because they're still having to overpay to get inventory.

There's very few.

I mean, it's like Carvana leaves returns and Carvana is kicking their butts on the bidding.

So Carvana, wherever they get their magic money from, beats carmax on their trade-in bids.

Gotcha.

By thousands every time.

Carvana experience also just so if you have a BS car.

Yeah.

Not the kind you'd sell on cars and bids where you should never use Carvana ever.

Well, and you guys do the comparisons of how much more the cars bring cars and bids when there's something interesting.

But if you have a Kia.

Yeah.

Or not a singer GT.

But if you have a normal car.

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If you have a normal car, Carvano makes so easy, and CarMax never greatly pivoted towards the online thing.

It's just still so brick-and-mortarphone.

No. Now I saw somebody was complaining about CarMax recently because they just wanted someone to do a walk-around video of the car before they shipped it to the store.

Like, can you just do a walk-around video if we can't do that?

Yeah.

Why can't you do it?

Like, that's not in there.

Dude's only getting 200 bucks max.

Yeah.

Get someone with their phone to text it.

And that's not our system, that's not our protocol to be able to do it.

CarMax strikes me as one of these things that's gotten so big that they actually make it harder for their dealers to sell cars,

which was a common complaint.

I heard when I was in the car business, you make us get compliant flower pods and compliant trash cans.

And it's all these ancillary things that didn't matter.

We're just trying to sell cars.

You know, I'm actually not in the cars.

I'm just into low-bullying that of people.

So CarMax is against my religion.

It was so hard to train people in Kansas.

What do you mean you can't give me $2,000 off his camera?

I can't hang a little dollar.

I don't...

They thought it was me just being...

I would be like, Tyler, give me your wristwatch.

Like, give me something.

Because other than that, it was...

Give me a free coffee.

I don't care.

I need value ad here.

It's like, cyan had just come out.

Yeah.

And that was no haggle.

Yeah.

And so, but young people were buying that, so they got that.

But then, like, normal people, midwesterners coming in and buying a used camera or a truck and they're...

What?

Yeah, it was annoying to them.

Oh, I can get this down the street for this one.

Right.

You know, there's only one car I did in low-ball and haggle.

That is...

There's an SLR.

Oh, how beautiful.

You know what?

Daddy did.

I had such a mens respect for the seller that I was just like, you know what?

Name your number.

I won't even question it.

I didn't even...

Just tell me what's fair.

I did not even give...

Like, a moment's thought that there...

Because there is...

It was like, I'm getting what I paid for it or I'm just keeping it forever.

And that...

I was okay with that.

It was the real answer.

He didn't think I was a buyer.

No.

He's just like, cheap skate neck is just wasting my time.

Because Doug...

Open it said, hey, we can sell this SLR for $200,000.

And I was like, it's been on fire.

No!

Hang on a sec.

Doug low-balled you.

Hang on.

So I didn't have to.

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We need to move on to the talk car segment and cover this officially.

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A couple things.

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I had an incident earlier today.

I'm driving down the freeway there in a sports car.

Let's leave it at that.

And I'm driving fast because I had to get here.

I was up in Irvine.

God, do you ever go up there?

Love you.

Okay.

And I come upon on the freeway.

Mercedes 300SL going.

And I'm like, oh my God.

This is an unbelievable thing to come upon.

And it's hoovy.

And I was going pretty fast because I was trying to make a appointment.

And anyway, hoovy starts getting behind me and is going fast at the same speed.

And I'm going not slowly.

It's a little bit over the 65 minutes.

You're in a modern sports car with double the horsepower.

Yeah.

Going pretty quick.

And this 300SL.

And I'm looking at my mirror.

And this is the coolest experience I've ever had in my life.

There's a 300SL behind me going hard, like hard, left lane, little through traffic.

A 300SL.

That's what it's built to do.

It's the world's first supercar.

It was amazing to see it drive like that.

I couldn't believe it.

In 1955, 100 miles an hour was the sound barrier.

That thing was 150.

So it was easy to do, you know, speed limit 65 to do 80, 90 for a second.

It's no problem for a second or 30 minutes.

But that didn't happen in Mexico.

We went down to Mexico and then came back.

I was on the five free.

I was on the Uno.

Yeah, there you go.

So you just drive that thing like that?

Yes.

Why wouldn't you?

Well, it's old.

It's fine.

It's worth a ton of money.

You're not scared.

You got insurance.

But you just drive.

You want to make that call to your uncle?

No, I sure don't.

I'm sure don't.

That's the thing.

And then if it's a fixable accident that like it would be a year before I got the car back,

and I'd still be making payments on it.

So that is a little bit of a thing.

You're making payments on this car?

70 people?

Yeah.

What's that like?

How's the structure of financial?

Similar to the Bugatti.

Yeah.

I did a collateral swap actually.

So you do like a lot of like interesting financial instruments?

Yeah, because I, you know, I didn't have a large infusion of cash from an investment firm.

So I have to finance my things.

Yes.

So, so, so you're, you're just, you drive around in this 300 SL hard.

Yeah.

You should have seen it.

Yeah.

Imagine you're going at a pretty hard like you're kind of doing as fast as you feel comfortable

with cars around and look behind you.

There's the 300 SL.

I did go through this thing.

Yeah.

There's a 300 SL.

I did a thousand miles in the car month ago, so I got very comfortable with it.

Right.

Yeah.

And then you drive way, way harder than that because the Italian police encourage you.

They're like escorting you and you're trying, and if you're not keeping up with the Italian police

when they're escorting you to race across Italy a thousand miles, they're mad at you.

So it's like, this is like 55 car and I'm going 100 and what's in there?

It's like normal cars and pedestrians everything.

Like this, this is crazy.

And then I have a former the one driver in the passenger seat.

Carl Wendlinger.

Windlinger, German or Austrian.

And he's like, go hit it.

So, yeah.

Is there anything you haven't done?

Well, apparently not call you daddy enough.

I'm jealous of who.

Aren't you jealous of who?

Oh, yeah.

That's why.

That's why I mean by.

It's called saying yes.

You're a favorite word is no.

Like, oh, just kidding.

How do you know that?

Everybody knows that.

But how do you know that?

You shouldn't know that.

I say yes to you every time you reach out.

But I do like saying no to stuff.

I got invited the other day to some press launch locally and I was like that.

I could participate in that.

Can we rewind?

Why are you here?

So, your car was being worked on?

I wanted some lunch.

No, I was getting it sorted out after the rally.

So, the car hadn't run in over 10 years.

But I was expecting something, you know, not as nice as this.

So, Matt, I even know how the cultivated collector will give them a shout out

because he got Doug as a car GT and found me this goal weighing out on a state.

But it kind of ran but didn't because it had been saved for so long.

The fuel was bad.

So, the first going through the classic center, they woke it up.

But then you shake it down.

So, we did the 1000 mile 300 s on the route.

That's a shake down.

Where it was very fun.

It was beautiful and all that stuff.

The going owners, every one of them were over 80 years old.

And it was, we didn't drive them that hard.

But we had fun.

So, then it was leaking everything.

The old cooler exploded.

So, we had to bypass that.

The radiator was leaking.

Some cool hoses were leaking.

It needed a lot.

The fuel delivery was still a little weird.

So, it needed more massaging at the classic center.

So, I picked it up from there.

Went to Jay Leno's garage and parked it next to his.

And he drove my car.

And then down to Daddy Doug to say, hi, Daddy.

For the first time.

There we go.

He's making up for a lot of stuff.

Yeah.

Eventually, I hope Doug wants to film a video.

The intent was to park it next to his car GT and be like,

look, we both got our ultimate dream cars.

We were talking about him in autotrader in Atlanta seven, eight years ago.

And now we got it, but his is broken busted.

No, it's fixed.

I just haven't been up there.

And it's said, because on that drive we were doing today,

we drove by the Porsche dealer with the car sitting.

I couldn't just picked it up.

But I don't have a ride back.

I'm thrilled you have this rear NSL.

Thank you.

What did it cost there at the classic center?

Oh, the repair cost?

Have you announced this yet?

No, I haven't.

I haven't.

But they're, honestly, they're really taking good care of me.

I mean, they wanted the car to be used for some events and stuff.

And so it's a half a million dollars.

No.

200?

No, 175.

Full retail and what they did would barely be six figures.

Can I ask you this?

Are you concerned?

This is a big investment for you.

It's a big defensive car.

Yeah.

Are you concerned at all about the fact that the folks

who have a more older and what's going to happen to that market

in the next 20 years?

I am, but I'm not the same time because I'm done being

Mr. Speculator and Mr. Bysel and all that stuff.

And this was the adult dream car for me since I was 16 years old.

You want to keep it forever?

If I would love to keep it forever, if I have the ability to do so great,

if I'd have to sell it down the road, you know, at least, hey, I did it.

Yeah.

And that's out of my head forever.

It would suck if I did it 20 years later.

And it's a half a million dollar car instead of a 1.5 million dollar car.

But even then, you would have had the experience, which is real.

Right.

I'm young enough to drive it on the highway like that.

Yeah.

1000 miles.

And I bet a lot of the people on that rally, I bet,

don't drive it like that or wouldn't drive it like that.

No.

It was really impressive.

Yeah.

I'm proud of you.

Well, it couldn't grasp on the SLR.

Yeah.

We all, we all.

Cheapskate Nick, as I started calling him.

Yeah.

I know.

That's true.

After me getting mad at Doug for saying the SLRs are going to not go up in value.

Which is true.

It's true.

You know the main reason I do this podcast is because they provide lunch right

beforehand.

Yeah.

And I get hungry.

Right.

Speaking of Cheapskate Nick, over the weekend, we, me and Cheapskate Nick, and another fellow,

got our cars together, and we created this picture here.

Justification for higher education.

Do you remember?

2005.

Yeah.

It looks like, yeah, it looks like the movie Red Line at this point.

Yeah.

That's so good.

Eddie Griffin's about to wreck that Enzo.

Right.

Do you remember?

I mean, this was, to me, I always felt that it was the SLR, the couragey and the Enzo.

The market has treated the 4GT quite well.

And obviously, from a value perspective, it now obviously deserves to be in this group.

Probably a Veyron should be in here too.

Yeah.

But maybe a mercy.

But like, this was it.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

So we have a friend who has these two, the Couragey T and the Enzo.

He does not have an SLR on a 4GT.

And so once Nick got the SLR, we realized, hey, we could put this together.

Yeah, we got to do it.

And so we did a great color palette.

Yeah, it's wonderful.

Yes.

It is upsetting.

Because honestly, if you hadn't agreed to the 275, because I wasn't advertising for sale,

I wouldn't have sold the car.

Oh, you're looking at this picture and you're wistful.

Yeah.

He had a very car max mentality there.

What was the sticker on this?

No.

For 90 or just five.

Yeah.

Someone replied to the comment and was like, oh, what do you mean it's 0, 4 rich?

It's rich today.

All the cars have gone way out of value.

And there are a couple of not the SLR.

All the other ones have though.

In fact, from a percentage basis, you know, the 4GT has increased as much as the Enzo.

Not a lot.

Yeah.

Or the 4GT.

I don't remember one of the two.

The Enzo's were 650 new.

Now they're like four, four and a half, five and a half.

4GT's went from 440 to two for that yellow one.

My 4GT was a 155 sticker.

And it's probably a 500 car.

If it didn't have the miles I have on mine, which most of them don't.

It's crazy.

You know what?

Who of you and I are off speculating?

And we buy Mercedes that are certainly going to lose more value in the future.

It was amazing to get these cars together and relive.

What I still consider to be.

Yeah.

There's been some really strong 300S sales sales lately.

And a lot of younger people are getting into the more hip rallies,

like the Colorado Grand and that kind of stuff.

And so I'm hoping that the Crypto Bros keep up.

The goal is going to be like, yeah, the goal is the goal.

The thing is, that's the thing.

Like, ultimately, I think a lot of these cars will lose their luster and lose value.

I'm looking at you in my review mirror today thinking, I would buy one of those.

I wouldn't spend what it currently is.

I can't buy one.

But what a million and a half, 10 years isn't a million and a half.

Right.

Exactly.

If it did lose or start to decline with inflation, go at some point, I'd step in.

It's like a C2 Corvette.

There are some cars met era on that into cars met era, but there are some cars met era

where you would do it at the right number.

Yeah.

You've had pretty much all of them too, right?

You've had the 65 Mustang that was the club racer.

Yeah, there's a real Shelby.

You've had the Corvette in the 420.66 Corvette.

You know what?

Hit me the other day too.

I was thinking about this because goal wings are 300S or way more expensive

than they should be if you look at the production numbers.

There's an enormous number of 300S.

In fact, from a market cap perspective, 300S is the most expensive car ever.

They're, they're, they sell for two million bucks and there's like three thousand

between the coops and the roads just unbelievable number.

They're not rare.

They're pretty easy to find.

There's always one available.

Every rally has seven of them in part because they're so easy.

Say this for your Sunday video where you talk down the value.

But what I, what hit me was the F40 is the 300S.

The next generation.

Yeah.

That also is a car that should not be what it costs.

There is no, a car has no business being three and a half or three million

considering how many there are.

But the thing about the 300SL that is equal to the F40, there's some.

There's like second special.

It's, it transcends production numbers.

It transcends performance level.

It is a truly special car to everyone beyond just standards that you use to judge other cars.

Right.

And driving them, they live up to the hype.

Yeah.

That 40 definitely lives up to the hype when you drive it.

These, they feel like something decades newer.

Yeah.

This certainly lives up to the hype.

F40.

I think it's more about the last Enzo's car.

There's a lot of special things about it.

The drive is not, the 300SL drives incredibly well.

I never really understood why so many people use them on vintage car rallies until I finally drove one.

And then it was like, oh, you could just drive it.

Like it's a car.

Yeah.

Which is so untrue of every other 50s car.

There's so much BS you have to contend with.

Right.

And it's because of that tubular chassis for the most part.

And that's why the gold wing doors exist because of the, you know, big sill on it.

So, yeah.

You have in a roadster.

I have different roadster, multiple roadsters.

Is it better?

Yeah.

It's better.

There's a little more powerful, a little more comfortable.

Yeah, comfortable steering is a little better.

Yeah.

Brakes.

Doors.

Let's just don't go up.

Yeah.

That's the thing.

When push comes to shop, he sent an SLS to a group chat the other day and was talking about how cheap it was.

It was like 120.

120 SLS roadster.

But you can barely buy a Kia tell you right from that.

Look at him.

Yeah.

So, on the gold wing rally, they're allowing SLSs because a lot of these older people are just, you know, like, okay.

I can't, I can't do this anymore, even though they're pretty easy to drive.

So, the SLSs show up and you're just like, I think there's a lot of roadsters.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, to the problem that I have with the SLS roadster, I think the, I think the coupe is cool.

The roadster, especially since they came out with the AMG GT.

Yeah.

It's tough.

Like, they look pretty similar.

The AMG GT probably performs better.

It's not like the SLS roadster has a V12 or some crazy characteristic that makes it ultra special.

The roadster is just kind of a car to be honest.

I mean, it's a really cool car.

It drives incredibly.

But it's, the, the coupe is like the, the wear it is.

I know.

But it's effectively the same car, just different doors and roof.

And it's a 60 grand discount.

Like, it's a 40% off deal.

But I would argue.

And I usually prefer the convertibles.

But I would, I would, I would, why not take it to the AMG GT roadster at that point.

You can just get another 60 grand off at the same performance level.

Yeah.

But that's the same story with roadsters and go-wings.

The go-wings are worth more.

It's just, it's the icon.

It should be.

I had to pay for it.

It's not like I, yeah.

Yeah.

But you'll get it back when you sell it.

You know what?

I'll buy it from you.

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Okay, we want to talk about one other thing.

Do you have any interesting talk?

Oh, yeah, that's true.

This is on the topic of a rally since it's come up.

Have you been seeing these pictures?

I know since I had.

How come you're not invited on this?

I got invited.

Oh, my God.

You're getting up now.

I went once to it.

He had a kuntage-only rally and then he invited me to the next one.

And I couldn't do it.

And I know him.

Yeah.

Because I'm a guy that usually says yes.

And I actually socialize in a normal human way

without prying into people's personal life.

You're asking really odd questions.

So like you play personally.

Generally like, oh, like, let's invite Hoovy.

He's pleasant to be around for the most part.

You think that's my problem.

You're social skills.

Could you some work?

I'm not.

The questions aren't odd.

It's what I want to know.

Look, I don't want to talk about boring stuff like other people do.

I want to get into the heart of the matter.

I want to get into it.

I want to see what's really going on up here and in here.

But people don't want to know about baby mommas

and like the things that you want to know about.

Have I said anything about that today?

I've been very respectful about that today.

Speaking of how are.

Oh, geez.

I'm doing great.

You brought it up.

Anyway, so you think that's why Tamarion doesn't want me around?

Damn.

I could be driving next to this 430 scooted Montana plates

or next to that McLean with Montana plates

or next to that singer with Montana plate

or next to that couragey too with Montana plates.

When I said 959 with Montana plates.

That doesn't have plates at all.

So when I did the Kuntaj rally.

Yeah.

It was only 300 miles.

It was like a half moon bay into Monterey or something

around there.

And 37 cars and probably 10 of them went down

and like most of them permanently.

Like it was something like we cannot fix this on the side of the road.

It was it was pandemonium.

And only it was only curated in their crew one crew keeping it up.

So I do wonder when I see these images.

What's really happening?

Like I know these cars.

Like one of them broke down.

And so they all park by.

All right, let's do a picture right here.

Because this car is now going to be done from the rally.

Super car and limited did one where they were all turning left

at like an intersection.

And he was like behind there.

And you just it was like I just can't imagine being in traffic

and seeing that and be like I am dying.

I have reached heaven.

Yeah.

This is a hallucination or some kind of like acid trip.

It was part of unbelievable pictures coming out of this.

And you know they take all these high quality professional foot.

It doesn't matter.

It should be just a random photo of something like this.

It's incredible to see these cars.

It's so rare that people are actually using any of these vehicles.

Let alone all of them together.

Yeah.

They really went up our Instagram post from last weekend.

Yeah.

We post all the big four and they post the big 20.

Man, if only I said yes to stuff.

We could be on this rally right now.

But it's not just like a it's not a polite no.

It's like hey, would you like to go to this with memes?

It's gotten so bad.

People have now started to DM me.

Doug is too famous to respond to me.

Is there a connection on the flight?

Oh.

That sounds like an amazing experience.

I love the invite.

Thank you so much.

You're such a great guy.

I can't make it.

It's like.

How dare you ask me.

And that's.

That's.

That's what.

It's not.

Like, hey, do you have time for a call?

He'd be like, I'd rather eat my eyeballs with a fork.

Like they're like over the top note.

I will tell you this about phone calls.

It is hard for me to explain how many times in every single day I get a message from somebody

asking me for five minutes for a call.

Truly, I would say five, five times a day I get a text.

Can you have five minutes for a call?

And my experience living this life is that when you get a question like that,

it is not a five minute phone call.

Yeah.

It is a 14 minute phone call.

And if you said yes to all of them, you're on the phone two hours every day.

About this BS or that BS.

And people, I just text me.

Email me.

Let me respond on my time.

Yeah.

That's my phone call problem.

Well, and you call me more than you text me.

Yeah.

Well, you answer my calls.

You answer.

But I already know, okay, it's Doug.

I need to do rapid fire answers right now.

Yeah.

And I need to be quick about it.

I need to concise.

And then I do.

And then you, okay, bye.

And it's very.

So.

So the melee media thing.

You were like, you're like, I'm going to do it.

Yes.

Mercedes.

Mercedes invited me out.

At Monterey car week, which you had not attended in 20 years.

Because you said no.

I was like, oh, it's just so hard.

And so they invite me out.

And I have driver roadster.

And it's my first time ever driving a 300 SL anything.

And at the end of it, it's like a religious experience for me.

And I'm tearing up.

Like there's tears going on.

And this guy, thankfully, doesn't think I'm a total nut.

He's like, I'm going to get you another shot at driving one of these.

And it was the melee media.

So that was.

Yeah.

With Carl, the Austrian in the passenger seat.

Yeah.

Can I tell you the real reason I say no.

Since you're calling me out on it.

Since we're here on the pod.

I've got more no stories to add here too.

A couple of years ago, I received some cash.

And at the same time, I had a kid.

And then I had another kid.

And I really, really, really only like to be with my community and my family.

And so I get invited to go on this.

You have children.

Yeah.

I have children.

I would never do a rally, for example.

It's just I would just rather be with my family.

I know, I know it's unusual, especially for dads.

I have come to realize a lot of dads actually enjoy kind of getting away.

I do not.

I feel the exact opposite.

I really, really enjoy.

I miss my kids too.

It definitely tugs.

But you still want to experience life.

Well, I feel like I've done a lot of life experiences.

I did a lot of stuff.

And now the next stage of life, I'm experiencing which I am more excited about fatherhood than

I ever expected that I would be.

The milestones and things.

Yeah.

It is very fun.

And if it were up to me, I wouldn't, I don't think I'd be working it all truthfully.

And there are a few reasons why I still do it.

But I really, truly, truly love being there.

And I do say no to all, you know, I used to say every press trip and I would be gone

all the time.

Before I had kids.

And it was fine.

It was life.

But I just don't have to anymore.

But I did, I did trick-or-treating with the kids.

And then up at 6 a.m., to make it Las Vegas, to see the most booty guy, Bugatti Veeerons

in one spot ever at the Wincon Corps because that's never going to happen.

It was cool.

And the pictures were cool.

And it seemed neat.

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And the reality is there's, there's in between, I say no to everything and I say yes to

everything.

The day of that thing, I went to a pumpkin patch with my children.

We did a lot of games.

We learned to throw darts for the first time, preferable to the Bugatti's.

So I won darts with the kids, that's your magnetic.

Oh, okay.

Alright.

I'm not casting shade.

You do what you want.

I'm sure you have a great balance and it works.

But for me personally, I killed myself for 10 years for this job.

I traveled all over the country, all over the world, shooting these videos, trying to

be number one, the very first.

And I was.

And I still am.

For years and years, the first, the best, the most views and operating that level for

that long is hard.

And eventually when you don't have to do that anymore and you're able to slow down

a little bit, I just realized like what I actually love is the time with my family and

with my community.

Okay.

Well, let's, let's do a little role play then.

I'm John Tamarion.

Okay.

I'm giving you a job.

Alright, John.

Hey, how are you doing?

Oh, yeah.

Wait, wait, wait, first I'm texting.

Do you have five minutes for call?

No.

Sorry, John.

So then it's done.

It's done.

You've lost that opportunity.

So then, okay.

But then he actually gets through the call.

What's going on, John?

John gets DM me and say, can you put me in touch?

I will tell you this.

I joke about how I want to be on this rally.

I would never do this.

So he'd call him say, would you like to come?

No.

Maybe.

And here's my thinking.

Also, this is another thing I've learned about the children.

10 years from now, the children are not going to want to be around me as much or not

can be as excited.

Okay.

And so at that time, I probably will start doing something.

There's an I've already fought myself.

I got invited to with Audi to go on a crazy press trip to Germany where they had a brand

new concept car that I was going to be able to drive.

It seems so cool.

And I turned them down.

That week, we had a couple of kid events and I just didn't do it.

Every month I volunteer at my kid's school, I teach an art class at my kid's elementary

school.

And I get it.

I'm cramming a lot a couple of days in a home, but yeah.

One day when the kids don't care as much, yeah, I would say yes to this kind of stuff.

But having lived through the time when I traveled everywhere around the world for personal

reasons.

And I did a ton of hardcore work and it was a lot.

And now I've transitioned into this space.

I want to really live this part of the world.

My life.

Noble, but you were still the same way with the nose.

Oh my God.

I wish I was.

I said yes to everything.

I had to do everything.

I flew across the country.

You were three.

You were doing yes.

You were doing that for work.

But as far as like, YouTubers didn't have access to events and things like this back

then.

Like five years ago, asking to get into a coil as a YouTuber, like, what, you know, like

so it's a little different.

I don't like like personal trips.

I will say.

Like three personal trips are like not a thing for me.

You were like shocked.

I didn't take up my car left for free at my house.

Oh, right.

Right.

I just don't.

I don't want to do the whole quit.

I don't care.

They don't care.

They just want to picture occasionally with the bin pack showing, like I'd rather pay

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everyone.

Oh, wow.

This is a success.

I chose yes.

Oh, my goodness.

Welcome back to the clip.

Got another car.

Yes, fellow P-38 owner.

Fellow yes, say you're over here, Tyler.

I'm sure we'll appreciate you.

Was it cheaper than mine?

It was free.

Oh.

A listener of the pod, Brian, you're the man I hate you.

He sent it to me.

I paid shipping only and a new battery.

I have a P-38.

It's on my YouTube channel if you're watching this now.

Why are you doing it?

Power the headguests.

It runs in drives.

Does leak a little?

It doesn't have a glove box for some reason.

Power the headguests.

Yes, it's good.

It's good.

Okay.

It's actually had a mechanic now just to confirm it's good, but which it's got new

BFGs on it.

Why did you do this?

I love the P-38.

I missed it.

It just felt like I lost a finger.

You know the rest of them are going to kill you.

It's not just me.

I know.

That's why I kept it a secret until now, and I wanted to get a reaction from you all

of how mad you are that I got another one.

It sets me for the following reason.

We had the P-38.

We moved on from the P-38.

You moved from from the P-30.

I stayed with you.

You sold it.

You were done.

I wasn't done.

I sold it.

Did the Arnage teach you nothing?

Not to get another Arnage, but did it not teach you that you don't want to take up space

in your life in your garage with a car that doesn't run?

I feel like I've learned enough about the P-38 that I kind of know how to do this now.

I can finesse it.

I can whisper to it.

It's going to leak a little.

I'm going to lift it.

Get the bull guards.

We're going to go off-roading.

It's going to be so much fun.

See how I got the bull guards.

Yeah, I know.

Have I done what?

Have you ever had one of these?

He just bought one.

I just bought one for $3200 a pair of jacks.

It was the cheapest car to sell at a pair of jacks.

Yeah.

And it was nice.

What year?

It's 2000.

What year is this?

We're going to do it at Booly and did Immersion Lagos and hype P-38 until they're unobtainable.

No.

You could never.

Absolutely.

Well, clearly, they're free.

It's literally free.

There is not a land rovershop in this country that doesn't have six of them sitting in the

back in various states of Asia.

When I pulled into the new mechanic, it was literally parked next to a parts car.

The yours isn't on air ride, is it?

No, it's been coil spring converted.

It's a 98, but it has some of the facelift bits.

That's what I was surprised.

When I said in the video, nobody's still riding on the air ride with these.

And then people are in the comments, my ride is still worse.

No, they...

The E-A-S are super in New York.

I never really understood the benefit of E-A-S either because if you ever driven them back

to back, it doesn't ride much better.

I thought it'd ride better because they're kind of...

It doesn't.

The main benefit is that you can lift it.

You can get it taller.

Yeah.

Which I actually did use in my O6 a lot like when I was going on the beach.

I would lift it up because sometimes stuff would get caught underneath.

But that's not enough of a benefit to deal with the hassle.

Yeah.

I can't believe you've done that.

I'm so happy.

It's bringing me immense joy and pleasure.

Let me say yes, Doug.

I say yes.

This is a thought come out.

This is the latest air, too.

Friday.

Why you got it?

Oh, the embargoes are getting left in.

I'll do a little spoiler.

All right.

I found a Minsk, California one owner, 99 Cadillac Escalade.

Nice.

First year.

Oh, gee, first year.

First year.

How many?

And it has the bars on it.

Four wheel drive.

Wow.

Black.

How many miles?

90,000.

Oh, we wheels.

Not only wheels, but I can find them really easy.

Yeah.

How many escalators have you had now?

A bunch.

But I'm so excited to have the 99 Escalade in the 2000 Range Rover.

Both in this one house.

Oh, yeah.

Aftermarket cattle guards on it.

Oh, you can make your eyes.

Music video.

Yeah.

I'm so excited to have those two.

Just like in the winter time, just like, which one do I get in today?

Obviously, the Chevy is going to start more often.

Yeah.

Cadillac.

But yeah.

The Range Rover was started.

It'll just beep at you a lot.

For no reason.

It sounds like a plane is about to crash.

Yeah.

The bongs and bings.

And like the ABS like coming on as a standard value until you start driving.

Yeah.

Why?

You're warning me about things you don't even need to warn me about.

Welcome back.

Yeah.

That's good in the shop.

I did a video on a first-hand slide.

No.

And it isn't luxurious anymore, you know, by today's standards.

You drive around.

It feels like a Tahoe.

But I still think it looks good.

It still drives fine.

At the motor's plenty potent.

And yeah, it starts every time.

I mean, it's just like that, that five seven.

And the size of it too.

I know that the SUVs are wider because it's safer now.

But that size just works too.

And then being a truck frame, that trucky feel at that size,

because now like a, what's the equinox is the same size?

Yeah.

Because the Tahoe was 20 years ago.

But it's a unibody.

It feels different.

It feels like a car.

Right.

It's just perfect.

Yeah.

Wow.

There you go.

We're all getting big old SUVs.

Yeah.

We're saying yes.

You're going to Jeep.

I wouldn't rule it out.

I just know the G-Wagon isn't going to last me forever.

And I think the 392 Wranglers, the coolest reliable fun SUV you can get.

You could probably dig up in a vogue in his yard.

I don't think that's any more reliable than the G-Wagon.

Actually, didn't he sell it on the site?

I did.

Yeah.

I believe you did this.

You, you're going to regret it.

My favorite part of this is so the guy that contacted me,

and I thought it was a scam forever.

And then he was like, oh, can you send me $200 for a new battery?

I'm like, okay, finally, that's the catch.

He had commented on my last P-38 auction.

He said, I admire how well aligned your glove box was.

And I thought that was such a weird comment.

And then I realized three years later, his glove box is still not even hanging on from the dashboard.

Yeah, I had to make someone offer me a W-12 Volkswagen Faten for free.

I'll just send it to me.

But the opening email, and I won't say exactly what it was,

but they were a porn star and they want to give me a Faten.

I don't entertain her.

Did you do it?

I, my friend Jake, I said, hey, you want this Faten, and he took it.

But it was like wanting to collaborate.

And I was like, I don't want to know what they're thinking.

Oh, I would want to collaborate.

There's some, you have some fans in certain communities who would like to know what they're thinking.

Daddy.

Okay.

I want to talk about the Bentley, and then we got to move on to market board.

We have, oh, the questions are great this weekend.

We don't have a lot of time for them.

A market board's going to be super quick.

Can we quickly discuss the Bentley and what's going on there?

Did it?

Oh, that's the end of the slideshow.

The Bentley is photographed.

It is going live next week, Thursday.

Okay.

However, I want your advice here in the talk cars as a market expert.

If it goes live Thursday, the auction will end the following Friday,

which is Black Friday, and America is one of the biggest shopping holidays.

One, is that a bad idea to get the car sold?

Okay.

But is Black Friday a good day to sell a car?

Here's what's happened.

Do I need to offer free shipping?

Oh, repeatedly over the last six months.

He's been trying to sell it, and every time he gets close,

another warning light comes on.

Another problem pops up.

Been there.

Another issue comes on.

Done that, yeah.

And I wouldn't quibble over the date.

I would get the car live as quickly as possible,

and try to conceal as many of the problems.

Oh, we're being super honest.

It needs to go to the right type of person that...

I feel like a Black Friday people still have money in their bank,

and as you get closer to Christmas,

it's getting like drained.

Yeah.

Okay, I need to wait till after Christmas for our recover.

So I think you're safe in the car.

When are they going to be early Black Friday, like door buster time?

Not.

Yeah, I think you're still safe in the car.

I've got to be going live on Black Friday too,

which I think is going to bring people to the site.

Either way, I wouldn't...

You need to get it gone.

But it is...

It is parked behind your head,

and it is not moving until the shipper comes down.

And it may not even move that.

No, it...

That's the thing.

I mean, do you...

I guess you've gone through it enough,

but I feel bad telling a car that I know

is not going to be good for someone down the road.

This car is as nice as it could have been.

He bought a crap you want to bring a trailer

that was so crappy they refunded him his fee.

Bring the trailer, I'm sorry.

Bring the trailer.

Yeah.

And it was really poorly represented.

Incorrectly represented.

He bought it and he knew it was kind of a crap you want to try

and be really bad.

He brought him to the office the first day

and the office this coolant smell was like.

It was like someone had poured coolant up my nose.

And he's over here like,

I don't smell anything.

I don't.

It's true.

But he's gotten in a lot better,

but it's still in our nausea T and a kind of a project.

I feel like with cars like that,

I sort of want to curate the viral.

Yeah.

I need to pre-qualify them to like,

okay, can you handle this?

Where...

Can you put it on auction something?

You don't know who you're dating.

Right.

So the Mercilago owner is a great guy,

but he's incredibly festitious,

notebooks and everything.

And I've gotten a lot of post-sale questions.

It's not complaints.

Like, he's being very kind about it.

But like, probably five times a day,

it's like a...

How long do the bat wings go up?

It's precisely what temperature.

And you're like, okay,

I want to make sure that type of person

does not bite your nose,

because I would ideally never like to hear from him.

Well, and like one of Doug's legendary stories

is when you were selling your 360

and the people that were...

Wasn't there a lawyer that was trying to litigate it with you?

And as far as like the price and...

Yeah, how horrible it was to sell Ferrari.

And I always hate that kind of thing.

And I'm always trying to get out.

And I'll tell you, my lay-in cruiser

is the worst car sale experience I've ever had.

But we don't have to discuss that here on the pod.

Instead, that's where cars and bids is so much easier.

It is easier although I sold out on cars and bids.

But anyway, the rest of my cars and bids sales,

by the way, have been incredibly smooth and easy.

And part of the benefit of cars and bids

is you really can do a lot of real disclosure

and kind of point back to the listing when they come at you later.

Yo, this was here.

Yeah, it's honestly my favorite part.

I'm shell, whatever, bias.

Cars and bids having the just bullet point known flaws.

No, it's something that is buried on other auction sites

or at least not as clear.

Like, it's kind of then like...

You couldn't have overlooked this or misread it.

It is bullet points impossible to miss.

It's without bold H2 heading tags saying known flaws.

Yeah, it's good for sellers and buyers.

Yeah, I didn't tell you the doors in the SR

and don't all the way.

Yeah, you did tell me about the rearview mirror and I think

well, I didn't think about it.

And it was summertime so the doors are much better

when it's super hot outside.

We're going over SR, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Okay, we need to do market report and then we get to move on to questions.

A lot of the questions, believe it or not, for some reason,

apply to you.

Even though we didn't say you were on the pod, a lot of them do stuff.

So they're not the questions you kind of like to ask.

Market report.

I want to talk with you.

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That's the silo right there.

That's right.

Holy crap.

This is all the way from Butler County, folks.

We're not even in Sedgwick County anymore.

We're not even in Tyler.

Oh, was that not public?

That's fine.

We had the plates on all the cars.

Yes, it's fine.

Pull up the EVO and then we got to go on to questions.

How do I pull up the EVO?

Go on there and you type in EVO.

EVO.

All right, now, hit enter.

Now, go down to it.

You see the sale?

No.

We sold last one.

Wow, that's money.

Last EVO, okay.

The nine was the last of the old school EVOs

before the 10 came and kind of screwed things up.

Which I actually like the 10, but the nine is really cool.

The MR was the high performance one.

Super rare.

Not many people got it because it had a lot of stripped out stuff

that made the experience worse.

And then it's an 80-hundred-mile car.

None are left 80-hundred miles.

One owner, none are left one owner.

However, a $75,000 EVO sale

astonished me.

I was really, really, really surprised.

Obviously, really nice ones are desirable and valuable.

I did not realize they were reaching

this levels of desirability and value.

It's pretty cool.

My favorite quirk, that is a Momo Steering Wheel

also in a Lamborghini Marshall logo.

That's right.

I thought the eights could do this, but not the nines.

So then I think the community feels that the eights

and the nine still have that kind of

cool old school EVO thing to them.

Okay.

And I feel that way too.

As a guy who really loves EVOs and still wants a six.

It's an interesting result though.

But you've got to figure this is one of those

find another cars.

Like you're never going to find another one owner MR

with no miles.

It's just not going to happen.

I was watching Too Fast, Too Furious

on the flight.

It was on American going up.

That movie holds up with that EVO

and then the eclipse.

The eclipse is a joke.

But then the EVO.

It's seen three and up in years,

but one and two are great.

So I'm laughing.

I think more than one.

I think just because I like the muscle cars and stuff in it.

And it's more diverse as far as

because there's a little more JDME in the first one.

And it has everything in this.

Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

It's not the one, too, where Paul says Cuzz.

Boxing empty cuss.

Don't worry about a Cuzz.

That's at the end.

And it's in floor number one.

Number one is number one.

admitted the article was fake.

And he did actually do any of the stuff.

Wow, I didn't know that part.

Crazy.

Yeah, good stuff.

Anyway, Eva Reinhne, you interested now?

I did it, I believe you know, 10, but it was fun.

It was probably a 35 card, it was new, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For NMR.

OK, we get to move on to the questions.

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What does that rule think about the goal wing?

She is very supportive of the goal wing.

Yes.

Does she want an NSXT?

Her dream car is the VUXGNX, ultimate dream car.

Not a dream car.

Is there an NSXT?

No one.

Oh, yes.

The GNX.

She wants a GNX, a real boy.

Hard to blame her.

That's a cool car.

Yeah, I love those things.

I love Grand Nationals too.

OK, first question.

I want to get started away from JT921.

Doug, the owner of Beyondy Lincoln is building a Lincoln Bronco G-Wagon wants to get in touch

with you.

Everybody on the internet has reached out about this.

I understand that this is happening.

I-

This is where you can be polite.

I-

Are you going to say no?

It's not related to me other than he's doing it and he wants to tell me, but I want Lincoln

to do it.

Like my whole point in that rant that I did a couple of months ago was I want Lincoln

to do this OE.

It's cool that people are doing it.

I'm sure this won't be the only one.

I want Lincoln to go out there and make a G-Wagon.

Like Abraham himself?

You're not going to give him crap for that.

You're going to let that go.

He's dad jokes.

We're all dads here, you know?

All right.

Next question.

Now that we've done-

I agree.

It's OE or it's a mod part.

Look, I think the mods are cool and I'm- I hope he does it and does it really well and

I think that's awesome.

But I want-

My point was not that I- it could be done.

Of course, it could be done.

I want Lincoln.

I think Lincoln should do it.

You know what I'm surprised by on your site?

The shocking number of charger convertible conversions.

That looked-

OE.

Yeah.

Challenger.

I knew I was going to do that.

To this day, I think one of my- to me, one of the great mysteries of the entire car industry

is that they never did a convertible challenger.

Is this ever hit you?

I know.

Yeah.

But people are doing it in mass and they look nice.

Camaro and Mustang both came in convertibles and was a pretty good chunk of sales.

They sold the challenger for 17 years.

It's not like they couldn't have made the money back on what doing a convertible.

But also, Chrysler was famous for- they had the sea bring.

I mean-

Yeah, it was just going to say the sea bring, the salara, like there's been way cars turning

into convertibles.

It's not even about the quality.

It's just like, I never understood why they didn't do that.

It never made sense to me why they didn't do that.

You had a convertible challenger, didn't you?

No.

No, I have the challenger, hemi right now, the health captain.

Do you wish it was a convertible?

No.

Actually, I don't.

Yeah, you do.

I enjoy it.

It never made sense.

The next time I'm at a Chrysler event, I'm going to just straight up ask him-

But I think the polite way to say, like that's a really cool idea.

I would love to review it, the traveling's very hard, but I appreciate it.

And if you would like to sell it, no result on cars and bids, I would love to do it.

Oh, do you want to ship it to the polite way?

Ship it here, and we'll sell it, no reserve.

Do you think the polite way to do it was like to a plug, like to sell them on it?

Well, no, like if they want to bring it here and sell it on cars and bids, please.

Okay, we want to guy and do a little, a little, a little 90 degree look.

This is a little bit of polite salesman-y kind of thing, it's like, hey, the first one,

yeah.

Max background talking, Carmax got OV, they taught him how to sell, sell, sell, sell.

He's been doing it ever since, he's been doing her bucks at a time.

He sold you that SLR.

Well, Abraham, if you're listening, I'll review it on Nick Roshan, the second best hoop

D channel on YouTube.

All right, next question from Reed, MSS.

Hey, Doug and friends, do you get involved in the car shopping process for your spouses,

or do you let them pick the cars they like, even if you might not?

I'm curious what your answer is.

Funny enough, our live now on the cars and bids, I'll plug your business here.

We picked cars for our significant others, and my wife said,

I watched your video, horrible choices, I completely disagree with everything.

In fact, I would not be caught dead in the first choice you had for me, so I don't know.

My wife, she picks cars based on fuel, based on vibes more than anything,

and it's very hard to predict how someone's going to feel about that.

But the vehicle she's driving is one that you purchased with limited,

with limited, again, no, I bought for myself and then gave it to her, basically.

But had I involved her, it would have taken longer, and like, no, she needs to make the decision

for her. I'll say, hey, stay away from that car. It's got a horrible reputation, but basically

just veto power. I'm not going to pick it, but I will just steer her in the right direction.

She's also a better negotiator than I am.

But I don't understand your saying this, but the car she is driving is a car that

she hadn't known. It was fostered on her though. She didn't have a choice.

I said, here's a car. But what you're saying is that you allow her the ability to choose

and let her do it, but what actually happened is that you bought a car and pushed it on her,

and she's been driving it for years now. Yeah, now she's like emotionally attached to it.

What about you? Are you just by cars in any form drives them, right?

Pretty much. I mean, yeah, and she's such a big car. She's got great taste in cars,

so you can trust her. It's easy. Is she still driving that town car you guys bought on the site?

Yes, the Silver Rouge's aim italic that gets out every once in a while. She's in the

right now because it's a little cold. She's in the con LGT because the heated seats work.

I tried to put her in the Panamera 4S, but it had a little hiccup.

But look at her. Oh, cars bit on 71 cars. You've been on a car last week. You've been on

this idea for six grand. Yeah. She needs more escalation. I've been on every single one pretty much.

I mean, that was never yourself for six dollars. You've been on a C class wagon. It was a six-speed manual.

Super base one. I bid once. No, that was the one we got. Okay. I want to do the next

question here. Oh, there's the winner here. You want that on the site? Oh, from David, I didn't know

that. A lot of this is brilliant. That would have been a great choice. Yeah. You ever have one?

No. Oh, super. Mark IV. No, no, it's pretty, but yeah, Mark IV, awesome. But a lot of these are

just just fancy bits. Was this the car you did to the manual swap? I was supposed to and then it

did. It was too nice. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here's a great question that is very relevant to you.

It's about AM General. From Hercapodamus, guys, while you debate about whether to important

Oventine, you're missing the American-amade equivalent you can buy right now the VPGMV1.

You know this car? Yeah. Well, the face you could give the multiple I run for the money,

what are you waiting for? Buy a VPGMV1 seller in person bits. Have you ever thought about

getting an MV1? Not for a moment. No. But it's isn't it up your alley? I mean,

I would cancel my Uber so quick if that's what it was. Right. That's what I saw. This is why

Canon only writes an Uber black, it's because there's a threat that this could pick him up otherwise.

So true. You know what this is? Do you know what this is? This is a mobility car that the goal was

to create a car that was handicapped, disabled, accessible. And so they did. It's a VPG stands for

Vehicle Purpose Group or something like that. An MV1 was the vehicle. And I don't think it

exists anymore. But it was like a wheelchair-friendly mobility vehicle. And they're around.

You see them. Taxis have them sometimes. You see when New York has taxi caps. A lot of medical

transport. Yeah. It looks like a failed bid for a government RP. So that makes sense. Exactly

that. And to that end, they were built at the AM General Facility in Indiana, which is of course

where your favorite vehicle, the Hummer, came from. You've never thought about buying one of these?

No, not for a moment. What engine is it? That's why it's probably a four-cylinder. Can you go

tech? No. It's like a bad AI hallucination. It's rear-wheel drive. It's rear-wheel drive with a

4.6 liter Ford modular VA. Dude, you could turn me cober-swap this thing.

I can't imagine. What? There's the taxi one right there. That's interesting. So yeah,

it's old school taxi caps back. Yeah. So you saw some of them in New York's taxi.

It is interesting. Yeah, you do even to this day. It is interesting. You're over here talking

about how you want Panther platform. Yes. That's the closest thing.

AM General Facility rear-wheel drive, 4.6 liter Ford V8. It's probably closer like a checker

marathon than Panther platform. And it looks like it's versatile. It looks like a checker marathon,

too. It is rear-wheel drive. This is it. This is a way 6600. So it's a little

portly. But you could do some weight reduction. The wheelchair ramp you could pop out. That is an

obscure car question, I suppose. I'll take the Aventine personally. Okay. This is another great

question that I'm glad you're here for. Due to from 63 Splitty, I just watched your newest

video and I'm excited for the Celesteak review, which is actually called Celesteak. They don't call

it Celesteak. Do you think we could get a little sneak peak of your thoughts? I will give my

thoughts. But I'm curious what you think. You're a GM guy. This is a very unusual product. You must

be have some thoughts on it. I'm okay with it. Yeah. I think it's, I mean, if you're going to have

a Rolls-Roye Spectre for how much are those? Yeah, the same amount of money and Cadillac

and have a halo car that's electric. There's enough hip-hop artists that want to buy it and things.

It kind of makes sense. If I can have a halo car, I guess. Yeah. I'm okay with it.

Yeah. Okay with it. Do you think it's a, it was the right direction as a halo car? Do you think

it's cool? Are you interested in it? No, no. I guess because they do the electric escalators

is pretty much it. They could have just made a like a super duper version. The electric escalator

and it would have, you know, like a my-box escalator. Yeah. I think that probably would have hit

a little better. I'll see you. Yeah. I think that that's a good point that I hadn't considered.

I am surprised given that Cadillac was a pioneer in the lecture SUV space and has been so successful

with lecture SUVs that the decision to make a flagship car ends up with a sedan and not even

really a sedan. It's like kind of a hatchback even which is cool to me, but I don't know that design

will appeal to everybody. My personal thought I drove it and I'll put, the video will come out.

And you want to watch the video because there's a ton of crazy quirks and features to this car.

But in terms of my thought on the market position and the driving experience, it was amazing to drive.

It drives like a Rolls Royce. It really truly does. It is incredibly soft, incredibly comfortable.

The base sticker price is $400,000 and I have trouble believing that Cadillac as a brand

realistically can play in that. I mean, Rolls has trouble filling new cars.

And it's hard to imagine that Cadillac gets there, especially with an EV which I think is even a

little bit of a hard stuff. I feel like it's hard to give it to the right movies here in Florida

because there's not this big product placement moment where you can really do that.

And like, oh my god, look at this. Like the R8 and Iron Man where everybody sees it.

So you can't make something cool enough to, I don't know, or like when,

those are Tom Cruise with the BMW i8, you know, that kind of thing.

How do you make that cool as an interesting thing? How do you get that in front of people and

convince them this is something that you should want? I think most people don't even really know about

it and it's kind of difficult to, if you're Cadillac, to have that mouth.

And it's kind of close to the lyric as far as the, it's a stretch. I mean, it's not that

dramatically different if we're like, the R8 was, wow, when the I was, yeah.

Especially because a lot of EVs have kind of a striking design. And so it's not like you look at

it and instantly realize that it's a $400,000 car. But I regret the lyric selling it.

Because it was the only electric car that I've owned and I've owned many at this point just

because for the YouTube channel, it's the only one that felt like, okay, this feels like a nice

luxury as a whole. It's a cyber truck with that, right? No, cyber truck went to lyric, lyric

went to Silverado EV, Silverado EV is the work truck, but the big battery. So I still have it.

It's 450 miles of range. I never plug it in. Honestly, Silverado EV is going to fail.

It's going to be a huge failure, obviously. However, the work truck with the big battery is this

like unspoken, incredible thing. It has the most range of EVs. Sorry, because I got it for 37

grand, 80 grand. So for 37 grand, you get 450 miles of electric range. That can do anything.

I mean, it was a grand car, knew it. It was a heated seats as vinyl floors. That's the thing.

It's just, yeah, heated seats, but he doesn't like car anyway. Yeah, it's crazy. They sent me,

they sent me a work truck as a press car. I remember I was like, this is a wild, totally out of

way to value prop, but performance is impressive and a EV range is unbelievable. I haven't driven

this Cadillac you guys are talking about. However, I do assume it's supposed to be a halo car. It's

not supposed to be a commercial success. Yeah, I don't know if they want to lose money on it, but they're

not. It doesn't need to catch on. It's just enough people need to talk about it. To think about

Cadillac is capable of producing a Rolls-Royce level vehicle. So I think mission accomplished just

in the sense that you were mentioning them in the same breath as this car. I guess I do think it

hasn't gotten around enough. I think it suffers from the LFA problem, which is if the halo car

becomes too rarefied, it is not well enough known to actually serve as a halo car. And I think

that the R8 did an amazing job of not being rarefied at all and actually being a really successful

halo car because you see him around and it makes you want an Audi. You never saw an LFA on the street.

Nobody ever did. You never will see a Celestic on the street. You know, maybe one here and there

like an LFA, but it's not not enough. And we are talking about them, but we're also like a very

in-car podcast. A regular person knows what an R8 is. Sure. And won't know. And all of us would

rather have a CN. Maybe it's probably the last ones to do it. Like a colon in the Euras,

the my-box GLS. Those were all ones where like the normal public's like, whoa, look at that

like that. I don't think that the Celestics can do it. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Okay, two more

questions, two more questions, two more questions from Read 1971. This is for all of us. Okay,

so Jaguar comes to its senses, realizing the rebranding is crap, the horrid stuff they've been

putting out there is crap. You've been hired as a think tank to make Jaguar have 100%

successful turnaround. What would you do? What would you do? We'd go back in time and invent

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Not Tesla, Carmax. I think about this. It's an interesting thing. Jaguar has one unusual

hamstring that no one talks about, which is that they can't do SUVs like everybody else

because Land Rover already does that. So it's not like they could just show up and start making

full line of luxury SUVs. The Land Rover dealers and Land Rover as a brand would freak out.

Jaguar is always going to kind of be stuck, not doing that. So as long as SUVs are hottest,

Jags got to do something else. And sedans are dead. And if you want a British sports car,

you get an Aston Martin. They're kind of just in no man's land. There's no way people want one

of those. Yeah. Right. If anything, Aston should buy them and just put them out of business so

that they are the British sports car man. I think what you do. You take the small luxury sedan,

you do a version with 600 horsepower and put a giant cat logo on the outside. Yeah. Project eight.

Remember that? I'm super into this. I still want one of those. That is one of the few cars.

I do too, but for like 45. Yeah. Not 200. I don't think they're 200 anymore. You remember that car?

They're deep six facts. Would you buy one of those? Big spoiler. It's dumb. They wouldn't get one.

They did them with rear seat delete. There's also the sporting like the shooting break ones in 2012.

Yeah, the XF. Yeah. Pretty cool. What would you do if you're Jack? I would probably partner with

like a Japanese manufacturer. Wow. That's a like Honda. And just create a luxury car with like

a Honda underpinnings. And then because they're reputation for that just done. Yeah. But I guess they

have already has accurate. I'm trying to think of some way to just like, Hey, so what's this?

And it's 40 grand. That's interesting. Go to Mazda and say, Hey, you don't have a free brand,

but we have a name. And if you and here's a way to do this on the cheap decent styling short of

the last concept, like Jaguars, I've always been pretty. That's not the super thing I've heard,

especially because like MG has become a Chinese, like they've proof that this is actually a possibility.

You could take the Miata and bring back the E type with the Miata. Yeah, you could. I do think in any,

in any Jaguar, if future iteration, a true Halo sports car like the E type is an essential,

not like the F type, but more expensive, more rarefied and probably more exciting in order to

at least make it cool again. Like something really cool. What if they, I mean, guys, I guess they did

it with the, with alpha fiat or whatever, you know, where it was a Miata thing, but what if they

stretch the nose a little bit to make it, uh, and you couldn't do a four cylinder. I mean,

you have to, but it means you get the Miata platform, but you stretch the nose and to get a

bigger engine in the front, but it's basically a Miata. And then like a CX five and seven,

it just lugs it just nice. Yeah, yeah, it is an interesting point. That's actually not the

stupidest thing I ever heard. That's me putting it politely. Yeah. That's actually truly a

son of a bad idea. Because yeah, the current iteration is done. And I remember when we, when they

announced the new thing and did that video, did you see the crazy video with all the weird people?

And we're like, oh, they're going woke. They're going to go broke. And on my point was they're

already broke. Yeah, they're dead. But it's, yeah, they didn't going to hurt them anymore.

And they're hurt. This is, this is like the flailing death, you know, but the name is still valuable.

Yeah. And so to your point, you could take the name and put it to something kind of appealing

that maybe isn't as costly to launch that already has a dealer network. Okay, final question,

final question, final question, final question. Oh, this is a good one. Actually,

I'm glad we have this one from financial crisis. That's another reason why it's good for you.

You don't want financial advice from me. I bought a 2001 box to rest after seeing your original

986 video. You did a few years ago. I just reviewed a 986. That's a couple of weeks ago.

I love that car so much. Especially for the money. How often do you have people approach you

that have bought a car because a review you did? And do they tend to agree with your assessment

of the car? It happens to me every at least a couple of times a week. Someone will come to me

and say, I bought my car in part because of you or entirely because of you in your video, whatever,

which is so ironic to me because for years, I had to fight the automakers on getting me cars.

And people are making purchases on YouTube all day long. They understand that now, obviously.

What do people do this for you? You don't review cars the same level. Well, because I buy them.

Yeah. So I bought some of my, my, my, my, your model is terrible because I have to actually buy

the cars unlike you. But you're giving a lot of opinions and information. Yes. And I usually say,

I bought this because of you. I am so sorry. The most part is that that's why I entered the

answer. I'm so sorry that you bought that. But it's, yeah, it's a thing. But people do say it.

We are influencers. We influencers. We're influencers. We are influencers. Yes.

You've influenced me to say yes, to try or you're just saying no politely not like,

Oh, God. Oh, God. Do you know my, do you know my rule about where I'll travel?

Yeah. You can't have a connection, right? Well, that's definitely true.

Yeah. That I won't go north of the Hyundai building on for the 405. There's a,

Hyundai has this headquarters off the 405 about, I don't know, an hour and a half from here.

And if it's north of there, I can't, I can't won't do it.

Bummer. Stay no. You probably got a rule like that. You won't go to Oklahoma City.

I mean, no, I don't go anywhere. Yeah.

He, he will barely come to my house. It's under, it's under much

objection and direct. When I was sitting, yeah, when I sitting in the title and he was

insinuating his rise, I would, yeah. And so I thought, I immediately thought, oh, no,

because I just knew that Doug probably just, just killed you for the living.

I immediately knew like, I just felt like the abuse that you're taking to,

to, I think it's the best, best part of San Diego one could possibly love it.

Massive question. Would you go to Tulsa or Oklahoma City more, like more likely?

Tulsa. When cars sell with Native American license plates from Oklahoma,

who titles those? Oh, yeah, I don't know on that one. You ever go to

Joplin? I have, yes, I go through Joplin quite a bit. Would you rather go to Oklahoma City or

Kansas City? Kansas City. Really? It isn't it? Further? They're same. They're the exact same

distance. But Oklahoma City has the basketball team. Kansas City has the Royals and the Chiefs

and it's much more mature. What if it's the Missouri City City?

Well, they're all, it's all together. They're a state line road where neighbors live across

the street are in different states. Kansas, side of Kansas City and Missouri,

side of Kansas City are like bloods and crepes, not particularly, not that I know.

If you're on the border, you might get shot. Not really. No.

That is not the situation. I've been there once. I was in Leewood, which was,

you know, it's like kind of a rough area. Lee Hood, we call it.

Lee Hood. And I was just warned, do not go near the border.

This is all we know about Kansas, dude. This is what we know about Kansas. We've been through

Garden City. I've done I 70 the whole way across. Give me a Kansas fact that is interesting.

We'll end the pod on it. Give us a Kansas fact. That's a good ending. Yeah.

There's nothing. That's not true. Okay. Didn't win. So when, okay, when the Arkansas river

comes to Kansas, yeah, yeah, it is called the Arcanzus River. Oh, and if you call it the

Arkansas River in Kansas, you will be shanked. Oh, shanked. Wow. Damn. Oh, there we go.

Rock, chalk, Jayhawk. Oh, nice. That's what they say. That is what they say.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was a Missouri boy. I was a, I was a angry husk of weeks.

That's my college, which is which must stay, right? Which must stay. And then there's also

Kansas state, which has this sort of hard to understand wildcat logo. I've never really

gotten. I mean, like half the schools in America have a wildcat logo, including this one's weird,

though. This one is weird. You agree it's weird. It is. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we'll end on.

The wildcat logo is weird. Who we thank you for joining us. It's been a pleasure.

We get the 300 cell in the office. What a, what an, what an honor.

Honestly. Thank you. I mean, once a year is perfect. That's not very polite. I'm sorry.

Goodbye, everyone. Bye.

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