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How F1 became hostage to its manufacturers - The Undercut with Damon Hill and Mark Hughes

How F1 became hostage to its manufacturers - The Undercut with Damon Hill and Mark Hughes

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F1’s technical and regulatory direction is portrayed as increasingly shaped by manufacturers and their business incentives, with the FIA targeting a “50-50 split” that “has caused some problems” and a later push “in favour of the internal combustion engine, particularly from 2027 on.” Hybridisation is linked to pressure from automakers like Audi, while budgets and energy limits steer outcomes toward marketing and strategy constraints. The hosts also debate whether sustainable fuels and “pure sun power” can keep F1 credible on sustainability, despite sponsor and scale challenges.

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FIA

"we've heard a few interesting comments from the government body, the FIA. Senior people won, the president saying, yeah, we're going to go back to VH by 2030 or 31"

The FIA is the organization that writes and enforces the rules for major auto racing. When they talk about changes, it can directly affect how Formula 1 cars are built and run.

Concept

50-50 split

"that's what's led us to have this trying to get to this 50-50 split, which has caused some problems and we'll really need to change that split a bit more in favour of the internal combustion engine, particularly from 2027 on."

The “50-50 split” is a rule idea about how much of the car’s power should come from the traditional engine versus electric energy. The discussion suggests the balance has caused issues and may be changed later.

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internal combustion engine

"we'll really need to change that split a bit more in favour of the internal combustion engine, particularly from 2027 on."

An internal combustion engine (ICE) is an engine that produces power by burning fuel inside the engine cylinders. In F1’s current debate, the ICE is being weighed against electrified components, with the hosts suggesting rules may favor the ICE more after 2027.

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carbon dioxide

"But those were in the days before people started to think about the planet and the consequences of just puking out poisonous fumes with carbon dioxide in them is a long story."

Carbon dioxide is a gas that’s released when you burn fuel. The hosts bring it up to explain why racing rules and expectations have shifted toward cleaner technology.

Brand

Renault

"I think it's because there's a legacy expectation and some people, let's say Renault get a lot of attention, perhaps they also embarrass themselves at times."

Renault is a car brand that also races in Formula 1. The host mentions it as an example of a team/manufacturer that gets a lot of attention.

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safety belt

"Yes, the safety developments in F1 are incredible, but the safety belt wasn't invented for Formula One and various other things that you could say are disc brakes."

A safety belt is the seatbelt that holds you in your seat during a crash. The host is saying some safety ideas weren’t invented by F1.

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disc brakes

"Yes, the safety developments in F1 are incredible, but the safety belt wasn't invented for Formula One and various other things that you could say are disc brakes. They weren't, they might have come in on racing vehicles first."

Disc brakes are brakes where pads squeeze a spinning metal disc to slow the vehicle down. The episode uses them as an example of racing tech that later shows up in normal cars.

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hybridised branch of the motor industry

"But anyway, racing is a hybridised branch of the motor industry and the relevance to road, the demands, the needs, the costs of things, I can't easily be transferred."

They’re basically saying racing and normal car development are related, but they don’t always match up. What works or gets developed for racing might not be practical or necessary for road cars.

Concept

hybridisation

"Yeah, and it was quite a happy marriage until we've got to this point where they want to do hybridisation. The automotives wanted to emphasise battery power and hybrid with the internal combustion."

Hybridisation here means the race car uses both fuel and electricity. Part of the braking energy can be stored and reused, and it’s also required by the sport’s rules.

Brand

Audi

"And that led to Formula One going down this route under pressure from particularly Audi,"

Audi is a car manufacturer mentioned as having a big influence on where F1’s rules went. The discussion is about how manufacturer pressure can affect what F1 cars are built to do.

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power unit cost cap

"So at some point... Some back of the envelope sort of numbers on it and just took Audi as an example of an automotive. So there's a power unit cost cap of 96 million a year."

F1 has rules that limit how much teams can spend on the car’s main hybrid engine package. A “cost cap” is basically a budget ceiling to keep costs from getting out of control.

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R&D

"Audi channels its F1 spend through its R&D department. That's what the books say. The budget is 400 million for that."

R&D means research and development—basically the work and spending used to build new tech. Here, it’s where Audi says its F1-related spending is counted.

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constructors

"Now that's mitigated a bit because you then get about 100 million back if you assume a fifth place finish in the constructors."

In F1, teams compete in a standings table called the Constructors’ Championship. A “fifth place finish” means the team finished fifth overall in that team ranking.

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marketing budget

"But its marketing budget is 14 times its R&D budget. And if it just chose to put that F1 budget through its marketing books,"

A marketing budget is the money a company sets aside for promotion and brand-building. The segment compares F1’s marketing impact to R&D spending by arguing the marketing budget is much larger than the R&D budget.

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undercut

"it would be 2.6%. It's nothing. It's cheap as chips. It's nothing even close [579.2s] to value for money in marketing terms for an automotive than F1."

An undercut is a pit-stop strategy. One driver stops earlier so they can drive faster on newer tires in clear space, then they try to come out ahead when the other driver pits later.

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energy density

"Basically, there's not enough energy in a battery. It's not [687.0s] dense enough to be able to use it in that way. So when you combine it with an internal combustion [692.9s] engine and downforce, the drag that you get off a single seater with a loaded downforce on it,"

Energy density means how much “usable power” a battery can store compared to its size and weight. The speaker is saying today’s batteries don’t store enough energy to do what they want for racing performance.

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downforce

"So when you combine it with an internal combustion [692.9s] engine and downforce, the drag that you get off a single seater with a loaded downforce on it,"

Downforce is the “suction” effect that presses the car onto the track so the tires can grip better. More downforce usually helps cornering, but it can also create more air resistance (drag).

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drag

"So when you combine it with an internal combustion [692.9s] engine and downforce, the drag that you get off a single seater with a loaded downforce on it,"

Drag is the air resistance that makes a car work harder to keep going. If you make the car generate more downforce, it often increases drag too, which can hurt speed unless you have enough power.

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closing speeds

"which means that in order to have that available [703.1s] to you, you have to back off through some of the key corners, which is just A, that's a nonsense, [713.2s] and then B, there's other implications on closing speeds, all the things that we're already very"

Closing speed is how quickly one car gains on another—essentially the rate at which the gap shrinks. In racing, changes to braking points, cornering behavior, or energy deployment can alter closing speeds, which affects overtaking opportunities and race strategy. The speaker mentions it as part of the broader consequences of changing how/when energy is used.

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one-handed

"And I've driven that V12, if that was the V12. But it's impossible to get the gear just right. If you don't blip it right, the moment you come off the throttle, the engine braking is so great, you won't even get it out of gear if you haven't got it right."

Driving “one-handed” refers to holding the steering wheel with only one hand while the other hand is off the wheel—often possible only when the car is stable and the driver’s workload is manageable. In the context of Monaco, it highlights how precise the car’s balance and the driver’s technique need to be to maintain control while still operating the car’s controls.

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blip it right

"But it's impossible to get the gear just right. If you don't blip it right, the moment you come off the throttle, the engine braking is so great, you won't even get it out of gear if you haven't got it right."

When you downshift, you sometimes have to quickly “rev” the engine for a split second. Doing it at the right moment helps the shift feel smooth instead of jerky or hard to get into gear.

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engine braking

"If you don't blip it right, the moment you come off the throttle, the engine braking is so great, you won't even get it out of gear if you haven't got it right."

Engine braking is the slowing effect you feel when you take your foot off the gas. The engine and transmission help slow the car, and in a race car it can be strong enough to make shifting harder if you don’t time it correctly.

Topic

Cadillac wanted to come in

"They do promote, I mean, of course they also, because they're selling, they help promote the sport. So for example, when Cadillac wanted to come in, the argument was, well, what are they"

This is a discussion about manufacturer involvement in Formula 1—specifically, how a brand like Cadillac would enter the sport and what arguments are used to justify it. It ties into the episode’s theme of how F1 can become constrained by manufacturer interests.

Brand

Alpine

"So we've got a new manufacturer that has arrived. We've got Alpine, if you, Audi, a bigger button, if you like, who've also been drawn in because of the, you might say that Audi are interested in proving their technical prowess"

Alpine is a French brand tied to Renault’s motorsport identity, and the speaker discusses its entry into F1 as a manufacturer. The key point is that Alpine is using the F1 involvement largely as a marketing and branding platform rather than for the full technical hybrid power-unit approach. The segment also frames Alpine’s name as a nod to Renault’s popular sports-car heritage in France.

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MGUH

"Yeah. And so you could almost blame Audi for the current problem we've got because they didn't want the MGUH. So that's been removed and that's partly a problem because now people can't generate enough."

MGUH is an F1 hybrid system that helps turn waste heat from the turbo into usable electrical energy. That energy can then be used later to help the car accelerate. The point here is that removing it changes how teams can manage power.

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turbos

"So that's been removed and that's partly a problem because now people can't generate enough. And also the turbos have got lag on them."

“Turbos” are turbochargers—devices that force more air into the engine to make more power. Sometimes there’s a delay before the turbo really kicks in, and that delay is what people call turbo lag.

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lag

"And also the turbos have got lag on them. And now they found themselves in a situation where they're coming under a certain set of agreements"

Lag is the delay you feel before the turbocharger starts making strong boost. So the car doesn’t respond instantly when you put your foot down.

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renewable fuels

"she's announced he's going to go back to normally aspirated, provided I'm assuming it's on renewable fuels."

Renewable fuels are fuels made from sources that can be replaced over time. The idea is they can cut the climate impact versus regular gasoline or diesel.

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normally aspirated

"she's announced he's going to go back to normally aspirated, provided I'm assuming it's on renewable fuels."

Normally aspirated means the engine breathes air naturally, without a turbo or supercharger. It can change how the engine feels and how it uses fuel.

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synthetic fuel

"you'd have to say, well, if F1 was purely synthetic fuel, now I have to declare an interest"

Synthetic fuel is made in a process rather than coming straight from the ground. The goal is to use captured carbon and cleaner energy so it can reduce overall emissions.

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synthesize hydrocarbons

"to synthesize hydrocarbons. And that seems to be a win-win. Basically, what you're doing is you're sucking carbon out of the atmosphere"

To synthesize hydrocarbons means making fuel compounds from carbon and hydrogen. Here, they’re describing doing it using renewable energy so the fuel can be cleaner.

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CO2

"which is there in carbon dioxide, which is causing the problem."

CO2 is carbon dioxide, a gas that contributes to global warming. The idea being discussed is reducing how much extra CO2 gets added to the air.

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purely synthetic

"if you were to switch to purely synthetic, then you're going to be promoting something which could be beneficial to everyone in the long run."

“Purely synthetic” implies using synthetic fuel as the only fuel source, rather than blending it with conventional fossil fuels. The argument is that if the entire energy chain is synthetic, the net emissions impact could be more predictable and potentially lower.

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electric vehicles

"to produce electric vehicles. And one of the reasons why they went down that road was nothing [1242.9s] to do with carbon, with global warming."

Electric vehicles run on electricity from a battery. They don’t burn fuel like gasoline cars, so they can produce less pollution where people live close together.

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pollution in city centres

"to do with pollution in city centres, which is [1249.7s] the World Health Organization was saying you have to find a way to stop pumping poisonous fumes [1256.0s] into population dense areas."

City centers can have worse air because lots of people and vehicles are in a small area. The argument is that EVs help reduce the exhaust pollution people breathe most often.

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carbon monoxide

"then maybe spring [1287.7s] carbon monoxide along the motorway in the countryside, where it will be dispersed [1293.2s] thinly, isn't such a bad thing."

Carbon monoxide is a harmful exhaust gas that can come from burning fuel. The host is saying it’s usually more of a problem in crowded cities than out on open roads.

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hybrid solution

"So you move to a hybrid solution. Pure electric, [1299.3s] the issue is range, of course."

A hybrid approach means using more than one way to power the car. The idea is to keep the benefits of electric driving, but still handle longer trips more easily.

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range

"Pure electric, [1299.3s] the issue is range, of course. So all the car companies now, or they were put under massive [1304.1s] pressure, are now starting to look at the practicalities of pure electric."

Range is how far the car can go before the battery runs low. For electric cars, that’s often the biggest practical limitation compared with gas cars.

Concept

messaging

"It's whether you can explain, because messaging is a subtle thing. If people get the wrong message, then they will say, well, then the whole project's been jeopardised"

In motorsport’s public debate, “messaging” means how the sport explains its technology and goals to the public and regulators. The hosts argue that if Formula 1’s hybrid direction is communicated poorly, people may assume the sport is abandoning its environmental stance, which could trigger backlash and reduce manufacturer involvement.

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petrol engines

"Because if F1 goes back to petrol engines, that will be the simple understanding of what's going on."

“Petrol engines” are regular gas engines that run on gasoline. They’re mentioned here as the opposite of the hybrid system F1 is using.

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backlash

"I mean, the backlash has got to be very careful in this, not to be part of the backlash, because the backlash will swing back once it becomes obvious."

“Backlash” means people getting upset or reacting negatively. The idea here is that if F1 seems to change its story about being cleaner, fans and partners might turn against it.

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Imola

"So again, it is important for F1 to, I mean, the safety thing was a good example. And after Imola, I think Max Mosley is an understanding of how to protect F1 from legislation"

Imola is a famous Formula 1 race track in Italy. They’re using it as a reference for when safety rules and changes became more urgent after a serious situation.

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halo

"the halo, I was one of the people who, I took the view because having raced without a halo,"

In Formula One, the “halo” is a protective frame around the driver’s head. It’s there to reduce the chance of serious injury if something hits the car near the cockpit.

Concept

pure electric

"So because we were told quite strongly, not so long ago by politicians, the way forward is to go pure electric."

“Pure electric” means switching away from internal-combustion power entirely and running vehicles only on electricity from batteries. In the context of the episode, it’s used to describe political pressure for the UK market to go fully electric by a legislated target date.

Company

BYD

"So someone like BYD, the Chinese car manufacturer, famously came into the electric, all electric market and started out doing Tesla."

BYD is a car company from China. The hosts mention it as an example of a manufacturer that moved into electric cars and then also started making hybrids.

Concept

self-charging hybrid

"a boxer engine, which is there, I think, as a basically a self-charging hybrid. So the petrol [2123.2s] thing is a generator."

A self-charging hybrid makes its own electricity while driving. Instead of needing to plug in, the engine helps generate power for the electric part.

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generator

"So the petrol [2123.2s] thing is a generator. It's taking an energy."

A generator turns the car’s motion/engine power into electricity. In this hybrid setup, it helps power the electric side.

Concept

split between the electric and the internal combustion

"It's where we are. But I think the demands of automotive in terms of the split between [2142.4s] the electric and the internal combustion, you can get away with a much higher proportion of [2149.7s] electric on a road car because of its duty cycles and its aerodynamics."

It’s about how much the car relies on electricity versus gasoline. The point here is that racing and road driving use energy differently, so the “electric share” can’t be the same in both.

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resistance is squaring with speed

"over 150 miles an hour and the resistance is squaring with speed. [2172.2s] It's absolutely useless"

As speed goes up, the air gets harder to push through—much faster than linearly. That’s why going very fast in a race car gets increasingly “expensive” in energy.

Concept

2006 spec V8s

"And I don't think [2218.8s] we're talking about 2006 spec V8s. We're talking about a reduced contribution of the electric,"

This is a reference to an older F1 rules period where the cars used V8 engines. It’s brought up as a contrast to the idea of keeping some electric power in the future.

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soft sidewalls

"They were so, they got soft sidewalls and they basically did that twisting thing. And so when you came out of chicane, they would thump."

The sidewall is the part of the tire that flexes between the wheel and the tread. Softer sidewalls bend more, which can make the car react more noticeably over track surfaces.

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chicane

"And so when you came out of chicane, they would thump. It was like a rabbit or wherever it was going."

A chicane is a part of the race track with a quick series of turns. It forces the cars to slow down and handle carefully instead of just going straight fast.

Concept

emotional tuning

"He calls emotional tuning. So there's a thing that they recognize when they're producing a car. What is it that people love about this car?"

“Emotional tuning” means designing a car so it makes people feel something—often through sound and how it responds. It’s about the experience, not just speed.

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revs

"And when they heard cars, as we all did recently, going flat out down the straight, we expected the revs to be increasing all the way to the point where they had to hit the brakes."

“Revs” means how fast the engine is spinning, measured in RPM. When you accelerate, the revs usually climb, and the engine sound changes with it.

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flat out

"when they heard cars, as we all did recently, going flat out down the straight, we expected the revs to be increasing"

“Flat out” means pressing the accelerator as hard as possible. It’s the car running at its most intense effort.

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battery was going flat

"And then we heard this bit where it was like, it's like the battery was going flat where ironically, it was wasn't it was actually, but it was, it was more like a balloon going down, wasn't it?"

F1 cars store energy in a battery. If that stored energy runs low, the car can’t deliver as much power in the same way, and it can change how the car sounds and accelerates.

Concept

Formula 1 as a sprint vs endurance

"[2627.7s] Whereas Formula 1 is, it is, by definition, a sprint, in effect. It's the ultimate driving [2633.9s] challenge, and it's a technology race, isn't it?"

They’re comparing how F1 races are run like a short, intense sprint. Endurance races are longer and require more careful management of the car.

Concept

refuelling (in F1)

"[2696.2s] So on the other end [2696.2s] of this scale of pure performance, you had what we had when we had refuelling. So you had, people"

They’re talking about a time in F1 when cars could add fuel during the race. That meant teams had to plan their speed and strategy around how much fuel they carried.

Concept

qualifying order determined by performance variation

"[2706.9s] which is if there's no variation in the performance of the car, little, little, you, you sort out [2713.3s] the order in qualifying."

They’re saying that if cars perform the same every lap, qualifying becomes more straightforward—your position lines up more with pure speed. If performance varies a lot, strategy and timing can shuffle things.

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V8

"[2741.3s] let's say we go back to, I don't, I don't like the idea [2747.9s] of a V8. I thought the V8s made more noise than, than they actually produced power to me."

A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. They’re debating how different engine types sound and how much power they seem to make.

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V10

"[2747.9s] of a V8. ... I'm from a V10 era. Yeah. Bring back V10s. But [2755.7s] all V12s."

A V10 is an engine with ten cylinders in a V layout. The host is saying they grew up with that era of engines and liked it.

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V12

"[2755.7s] all V12s. Well, if you're going to just go for the aesthetics, the emotional tuning, [2760.3s] you'd go for a V12. V12, for sure."

A V12 is an engine with twelve cylinders arranged in a V. They’re talking about it as a “character” engine—something chosen for the experience as well as the power.

Brand

Ferrari

"[2760.3s] you'd go for a V12. V12, for sure. Yeah. Remember, well, a Ferrari. So we're mandating V12. Yeah."

Ferrari is a car brand known for making high-performance engines. Here it’s mentioned as an example connected to the idea of V12s.

Concept

no refuelling

"Okay. And now how do we get the driver, how do we get the. No refuelling. No refuelling, course. No. Can they change tyres?"

“No refuelling” means the car can’t add fuel during the race. Teams have to plan the car’s fuel use and focus pit stops on things like tires.

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tyres

"course. No. Can they change tyres? Yeah. It could be a tyre. How many tyres can they change?"

“Tyres” are the tires on the race car. In racing, changing them can be a big deal because tire grip and wear affect speed and strategy.

Concept

pure sun power

"So we're proving that we can get from the beginning to the end of a season on pure sun power."

They mean using solar energy to make the fuel. If the fuel-making process runs on sunlight, it can reduce the climate impact compared to using fossil energy.

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