Porsche’s new 911 GT3 SC takes center stage after a Stuttgart visit, blending GT3 running gear with a cabriolet-style folding roof—yet Porsche claims it stays remarkably close to the coupe’s dynamics and weight (only 28kg more than a GT3, despite a 70kg roof/roll-hoop system). The hosts debate why this exists now, compare it to the Speedster, and dig into details like the pedestrian-safe carbon bonnet, manual-only spec, and tart “Street Pack” options. The chat widens into Andy Pröninger's garage, Porsche steering-feel philosophy, and a rapid-fire used-car wishlist plus “crap cars” guilty pleasures.
Did you know Porsche has been considering a 911 Cabriolet for almost 20 years? Well, it’s finally here, and Cam and Sam have all the details on the new 911 GT3 S/C. After the Porsche deep dive, it’s on to the unusual car collection of Andreas Preuninger before sinking into a £30k Buying Challenge.
The two pit a legendary V10 BMW and some heavy-hitting muscle against a cult-classic Lexus and an Italian thoroughbred, before wrapping up with the "Terrible Cars" we can’t help but love.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:05 Everything we know about the Porsche 911 GT3 S/C
21:38 The unusual cars of Andreas Preuninger
35:09 £30k fast but practical buying challenge
36:00 BMW i8, E60 M5, Chevrolet Camaro and Kia Stinger GTS
43:20 Lexus ISF, Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio and Jaguar XFR-S
50:43 The terrible cars you can't help but love
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"...for those of you that don't know it is basically a 9-11 GT 3 Cabriolet ... it's yeah, it's a it's a 9-11 GT 3 cabriolet"
“Cabriolet” is the term for a convertible car with a folding roof. For high-performance models, the convertible layout can require additional structural reinforcement and careful aero design to maintain handling and rigidity.
"I was expecting it to be the car that has been spotted at the Nurburgring for the last many years ... With a massive wing and turbo sounds"
The Nürburgring is a very famous race track in Germany that car makers use to test prototypes. If something is spotted there for years, it often means it’s been in development a long time.
The Nürburgring (often called “the Ring”) is a famous German track where manufacturers test prototypes. The hosts mention a car spotted there “for the last many years,” implying it was a long-running development program with distinctive aero and sound cues.
"it's still the sc has a the Folding roof mechanism from a 911 cabrio. It's exactly the same"
A folding roof mechanism is the system that makes a convertible roof open and close. It adds complexity (and often weight), which can make the car less ideal for hard driving.
A folding roof mechanism is the set of linkages, motors, and seals that raises and lowers a convertible roof. These systems add weight and complexity, and they can be a key reason some roof styles don’t feel as “track-focused” as a speedster.
"Did he thought when we put all these, you know the sticky tires the chassis That that configuration of engine into the cabriolet body He was like we're going to have to do loads of work on the structure"
“Sticky tires” are tires that grip the road really well. Better grip means the car puts more force into the body and suspension, so the car has to be strong enough to handle it.
“Sticky tires” refers to high-grip tires designed for more traction than typical road tires. When paired with a powerful, track-oriented setup, they increase loads on the chassis and suspension, which is why the speaker connects them to structural work concerns.
"It was the it got gone when you lifted it up you could see inside if you can imagine a sheet of carbon fiber
But with like it was actually two layers really like all bonnet metal bonnets have the same thing"
Carbon fiber is a strong, lightweight material used in some cars. In this story, it’s used on the front so it can break in a controlled way if it hits someone.
Carbon fiber is a lightweight composite material used in performance cars to reduce mass and improve stiffness. Here, it’s being discussed in the context of a carbon-fiber bonnet/structure designed to fracture in a safer way.
"I think the stats without the tire, but it'll be the same because the tire you they're both cup twos aren't they or
Pirelli or exactly?"
Cup 2 tires are a high-performance tire meant for lots of grip. They’re great when you’re driving hard, but they can wear out quicker than normal tires.
“Cup 2” is a performance tire line from Michelin (often used on track-oriented Porsche models). These tires are designed for high grip and consistent performance, especially when warm, but they can wear faster than touring tires.
"they're both cup twos aren't they or
Pirelli or exactly?"
Pirelli makes performance tires. The host is checking whether the car’s tires are Pirelli or Michelin, because that affects grip and feel.
Pirelli is a major performance tire manufacturer. In Porsche conversations, Pirelli often comes up because some trims are delivered with Pirelli track-focused tires depending on market and option packages.
Concept
jazzed up version with all the options
"the street spec which was basically like a
A jazzed up version with all the options."
They mean one version is more “fully loaded” with extra features. It’s still performance-focused, but it’s set up to be nicer to live with.
This describes an equipment strategy: taking a performance platform and adding option packages to increase comfort, convenience, and personalization. For enthusiasts, it’s a reminder that “track car” and “road car” can be blended depending on how the manufacturer configures the car.
"It was so tartan even the interior even the inside of the glove compartment was tartan. Yeah"
Tartan is a distinctive plaid pattern. Here it’s being used as a design theme inside the car, so the interior looks very customized.
Tartan is a patterned textile (often associated with Scottish clan patterns) used here as an interior design theme. The hosts emphasize how pervasive it is—down to the glove box—making the build feel intentionally “special” rather than subtle.
"It was the it was the bit that got people the most excited is when the glove box opened and we've got a leather trousers"
The glove box is the little storage compartment in the dashboard, usually on the passenger side. They’re talking about how the special interior theme shows up even in that area.
The glove compartment is the storage bin in the passenger-side dashboard. In this segment, it’s used as a focal point for the “Jackey spec” theme—specifically the tartan upholstery.
"But he said he hadn't when we suggested. Oh, why don't you replace the box with a couple of nets for helmets?"
Helmet nets are like cargo nets used to hold helmets in place. They were suggesting replacing the rigid storage box with nets so it’s easier to use.
Helmet nets are a common motorsport-style storage solution that secures helmets using netting rather than rigid compartments. The hosts mention suggesting nets as an alternative to the box/lid setup, implying easier access and more flexible packing.
"...We've known there's been some recent news from Porsche that they've gone... Ever since the new CEOs come in they've got..."
Porsche is the automaker behind the 911 GT3 and the corporate strategy being discussed. Here, the hosts attribute a shift in product direction to new CEOs—moving from EV emphasis toward higher-margin special models.
"I've got the standard because it's quite a big wheel on that car with the oblong centos I know I've got a standard wheel. I wanted to keep the airbag. I've got normal seatbelts"
The airbag is the safety cushion in the steering wheel. Track cars sometimes remove it, but keeping it helps the car stay usable and safer for normal driving.
An airbag in the steering wheel is a safety feature that many track-focused setups remove or relocate. Keeping the airbag usually means you’re choosing a steering wheel that’s still legal and safe for everyday road use.
"And so I was like, okay. Well, you know, what's what's the next project then if you've you've done this
993 cabriolet, what's the next project that you're you're gonna get"
“993” is a specific generation of the Porsche 911. “Cabriolet” means it’s the convertible (open-top) version.
“993” refers to the Porsche 911 generation produced in the mid-to-late 1990s. A “cabriolet” is the open-top version, so the speaker is referencing a previous Porsche 911 drop-top project before moving to the next one.
"Oh, that was because they were they were legit ones. Yeah. Well, there are no engines in them
So, yeah, so they were yeah, they were based on a so they were built by a"
For movie stunts, they often use cars that look real but don’t actually run. If there’s no engine, it’s safer and easier to film explosions or crashes without risking a real car’s drivetrain.
The speakers note that the stunt cars were “legit ones” in the sense that they were real-looking replicas, but they had no engines. That’s common in film and TV: lightweight, non-running shells reduce risk and make it easier to control what happens during crashes or explosions.
"Yeah, and you can see that the the wheels. Yeah stick out quite far on the replica
So they're kind of inboard and very slim line on the regular Daytona on the other one."
They’re saying the easiest way to tell the replica from the real car is the wheel position. If the wheels sit too far out (or the arches look wrong), it doesn’t match the real proportions.
They call out wheel fitment as a key visual difference: the replica’s wheels “stick out quite far,” while the real car’s wheels sit more inboard with a slimmer line. For car fans, wheel-arch shape and stance are often the quickest way to spot a body/replica mismatch.
"Yeah on the fake one and the wheel arch extensions. That's it ... The the makeshift wheel arch. Yeah, but you know to be fair to mr. Prowninger"
Wheel arch extensions are add-on panels that widen the fender area, often to cover wider tires or to create a more aggressive stance. In this segment, they’re discussing a “fake” car build and how the extensions affect the look.
"So you were asking him quite extensively about the ix3 steering ... It doesn't have any steering feel ... every time I get into a Porsche I've got this even the modern Porsche's electrically assisted ones"
“Steering feel” refers to how the steering communicates grip, road texture, and front-end behavior to the driver—often influenced by mechanical design, suspension geometry, and steering system type. The hosts debate whether modern cars (including electrically assisted ones) can still provide steering feel, and they use “steering feel” as a point of contention in reviews.
"And I said, why don't you do that in your Porsche pdk cars? Is it because it's just expensive to redevelop?"
PDK is a dual-clutch automatic. It’s designed to shift quickly by preparing the next gear ahead of time.
PDK stands for Porsche Doppelkupplung, meaning “dual-clutch.” It uses two clutches to pre-select the next gear, which helps deliver rapid shifts and strong drivability.
"[2189.8s] But could you get a suction cupped?
[2193.3s] You know or some kind of roof rack on it. Maybe I really want one of these"
A roof rack is a set of bars on the roof that lets you carry extra stuff. They’re thinking about using one because the trunk space is limited.
A roof rack is an accessory system mounted to the roof that allows carrying bulky items like luggage or sports gear. The speakers suggest it as a workaround for limited boot space, implying the car’s rear storage may not be enough for everyday needs.
"[2282.6s] 27 grand five pounds less than 27 grand and it's a 29 496 mile. Uh, it says zero previous owners"
Mileage is how many miles the car has been driven. Lower mileage often means less wear, which can matter when you’re judging a used car’s value.
Mileage (miles) is a key used-car metric that correlates with wear and maintenance needs. The segment cites mileage as part of evaluating whether the price is “cheap” for the condition and usage level.
"[2392.4s] Yes, it's going to be a bit thirsty and it's going to be a bit"
“Thirsty” is slang for poor fuel economy—using more fuel than you’d like. In the context of a BMW M5, it’s a common expectation because high-performance engines and driving style can significantly increase consumption.
"I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to what that means, but it has got a 6.2 liter v8 405 horsepower
I mean, you know, it sounds
It's going to sound amazing literally and also it's clearly been cherished."
That means the car has a big V8 engine. Bigger V8s often feel strong and sound really good.
A 6.2-liter V8 is a large-displacement V8 engine configuration, meaning eight cylinders arranged in a “V” shape. Larger displacement V8s are often chosen for strong torque and a distinctive sound, which the host explicitly calls out as sounding amazing.
"It's got apple carplay on it. That is the most important thing. Just run everything off that."
Apple CarPlay lets you connect your iPhone to the car and use apps like maps and music on the dashboard screen. The host is saying it makes the car easier to live with even if the built-in screen isn’t perfect.
Apple CarPlay is a smartphone integration system that mirrors compatible iPhone apps onto the car’s infotainment screen. The host calls it the “most important thing” because it can make the car’s native interface less relevant if it’s laggy.
"But they have great interiors because they've got the little pop out. Oh, yeah
You know
Vents that that rotate on the dash they've got the the rotating drive selector absolutely adore these and"
It’s a knob or dial you turn to change how the car drives. Different settings can make the car feel more relaxed or more aggressive.
A rotating drive selector is a physical control (often a knob) used to switch driving modes such as Sport, Comfort, or other calibrations. It’s a common way to quickly change throttle response, steering feel, and transmission behavior.
"...It does look like if it it's kind of in those old twr tuned
You know when they did the original xj when they did the xjr xjs
Yeah, if
Well, I mean twr."
TWR is a racing/tuning company that worked on Jaguars. The host is saying the car’s styling feels like it belongs to that old-school performance era.
TWR (Tom Walkinshaw Racing) is a British motorsport and engineering company known for developing and tuning Jaguars, especially during the 1980s. In this segment, TWR is used as shorthand for that era’s classic “tuned” Jaguar look and vibe.
"...But where's the fun in that also what is fun? You've got 500 horsepower
Yes, so you you are up there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. So um and it may I mean the v8 makes a wonderful sound"
Horsepower is a way to describe how strong the engine is. The host is saying 500 horsepower is a big number, so it should feel fast and fun.
“Horsepower” is a measure of engine output—how much power the engine can produce. Mentioning “500 horsepower” is used here to justify why the chosen car is exciting rather than merely sensible.
"And they say following on from a post-elter in the form about driving a reliant robin down through africa
I was thinking about crap cars that you have a soft spot for"
The Reliant Robin is a small British three-wheeled car. People remember it because it’s quirky and, famously, it can be easy to roll over.
The Reliant Robin is a three-wheeled British microcar famous for its unusual layout and its reputation for being easy to tip. The speaker’s “soft spot” discussion highlights why these quirky cars can become nostalgic favorites.
"Uh, I've also also got a soft spot for citron 2cv's"
The Citroën 2CV is a famously quirky French compact “people’s car” known for its simple engineering and comfort over rough roads. The speaker mentions having a soft spot for 2CVs, which fits the episode’s theme of affectionate nostalgia for oddball cars.
"...somebody red white monkey's called out the fiat multiplier I agree, but I mean it was genius packaging. It was, you know, three seats up front horrendous As long as you were you're blind."
The Fiat Multipla is known for its unusual, highly practical packaging—three seats up front and a distinctive “people carrier” layout. In the segment, the speaker calls out the genius practicality but also notes drawbacks like visibility, which is a common tradeoff with its design.
"Well, mine are inspired by my my my love of motor racing because um, and it shows you like, you know win on sunday So long monday"
“Win on Sunday, sell on Monday” is a motorsport marketing slogan meaning racing success is used to boost sales and brand image. The speaker connects it to their love of motor racing, implying that competition influences how manufacturers and fans view cars.
"I really like some of the voxel vectors because of the bt cc"
BTCC is the British Touring Car Championship—racing in the UK with production-based cars. The speaker is saying their car tastes were influenced by watching that series.
BTCC stands for the British Touring Car Championship, a major UK touring-car racing series. The speaker says they like certain cars because of the BTCC, linking their preferences to what they saw in that racing environment.
"[3543.4s] And they were massive. Yeah, but they went in a straight line really well and for me that's that's kind of what
[3551.6s] General motors at the time was was really good at doing is kind of like cheap cheap cheap performance
[3558.3s] Big power for not a lot of money and the voxels drove terribly from what I heard"
General Motors is a big car company. The point here is that, in that era, GM was known for making cars that felt powerful for the money, even if they weren’t always the best to drive smoothly.
General Motors (GM) is the large US automaker behind brands like Vauxhall/Opel in Europe. The speaker is using GM as shorthand for an era when the company emphasized high power-per-dollar, sometimes at the expense of ride/handling refinement.
Intro
Everything we know about the Porsche 911 GT3 S/C
The unusual cars of Andreas Preuninger
£30k fast but practical buying challenge
BMW i8, E60 M5, Chevrolet Camaro and Kia Stinger GTS
Lexus ISF, Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio and Jaguar XFR-S
The terrible cars you can't help but love
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Welcome back to the gassing station the podcast that goes sifting through the piston heads forums like Porsche has been sifting through it's part spin because
Co-host Sam Sheehan. There's a new 9-11 GT 3 derivative. Yeah, we've seen it. We have. Yeah, we've seen two versions of it
Oh, yes, we have. Yes. There was another one street pack
Yeah, which was covered in graffiti and had like people jumping out. I don't know. I'm doing the gun fingers. Yeah looking really cool
Yeah, um, suddenly uncalled myself there didn't I?
Yes, exactly as soon as the gang signs start coming out for the listeners. I didn't do any offensive gang signs
It was poor gun fingering. But anyway, yes, precisely. Well, Sam's been busy fingering away over there
We actually just to jump straight into it. We've been off to Stuttgart to see
The new 9-11 GT 3 sc. Yeah, that's it
Is the mutant the it's not a speedster. No and it's it's a bit cheaper
It is a little bit cheaper than the speedster was back in 2019. Yeah
Uh, but it's yeah, so for for those of you that don't know it is basically a 9-11 GT 3
Cabriolet, we all thought that this was going to be something else when we
Were told you're going to Stuttgart to see a new GT product
I was
Hoping that it was going to or I was expecting it to be the car that has been spotted at the Nurburgring for the last many years
With a massive wing and turbo sounds
But it wasn't that wasn't that again
Uh, and instead I was told beforehand that uh, it's yeah, it's a it's a 9-11 GT 3 cabriolet
Yeah, and I don't know about you but my first thinking when I heard about it was like, how on earth does that work?
Yeah, it seems completely alien counter-intuitive, right? Yeah, it's exactly like performance car
And it's not like McLaren tabs, which we talked about where the structures the same but I don't know about you
I went there thinking part been part's been stuff, but then you go there you look at it
You think oh, that's quite cool. Actually. Oh my god
They've actually done some amazing things with this and that's actually quite a nice mixture of components to create something different and extremely desirable
It's actually been quite testing as a journalist because there was a lot of
We'll kind of get on to all the nitty-gritty details in a bit
but kind of first of all just to kind of differentiate between
GT 3
9 9 11 GT 3 sc versus a speedster
the core difference is a speedster is a
It has no roof other than something that you can button on top. Yeah, it's a manually fastened route. It's inconvenient
It's inconvenient as Andreas a faff prone pro pruning a pruning a pruning and that's it as he said for ubrits
I think he was looking at a bunch of uk journalists. He's like it was inconvenient when the heavens open it rains in germany
But yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I was pretty similar climate. Yeah, but he's right
It was it's inconvenient for the few people that own one if it suddenly started to rain and you were doing 40 on a
On an a-road it would have been quite tricky to fix that problem and actually andy
We can call him that because he's our mate now. He's really explaining it a little bit. He's very cool
That brits are probably more likely. I would think to
Grit their teeth and bear a wet weather with the roof down then I think Germans would look at it and go
It's raining. We got to put the roof up. Yeah. Whereas brits would go. No, no, no, no
I bought this car and I'm going to drive it with the roof
I always see the couple and it's typically an older gentleman with his his lady wife
Yeah, not always but often the case
She is looking less than happy about the process of this and the gentleman is going I purchased a
Convertible we will be using it in january convertible stubbornness. Yes, exactly. Whereas this
GT3 sc so the reason reason a speedster makes sense is that you're removing the weight of the roof
Yeah, because what you're replacing the roof with is is fabric lid that doesn't really weigh much at all
The reason I think of an sc or a gt3 convertible not working is that it's still the sc has a the
Folding roof mechanism from a 911 cabrio. It's exactly the same
So you're adding weight into the mix and you're 70 kilograms
70 kilograms which is which is a figure to remember because in a bit will reveal how what the weight difference is and you'll be
I think I was astounded. You're probably quite astounded. Yeah. Yeah 70 kilogram gained and yet the weight difference isn't that much
Yes, exactly very impressive
But yes, so that's the the core difference really though is that this sc has the retractable folding top and the
On the the reason I say it kind of tested us as journalists is because
It's you're trying to kind of look between the lines as you should do
Of really what they're trying to get at. Yeah, so I asked mr. Prowninger
Mr. GT basically, isn't he? Why now? Why are we doing a 911 gt3 convertible because?
You know speedster has always been
Taking the roof off a gt3. You're compromising it. You'll reduce
removing a core structural element of a car that is more track aligned and is
Yeah, yeah all about lightness and it's about you know, obviously handling and by taking the roof off
You're making it heavier and you're making it flabbier. Yeah, so
Why now he was talking about the car or me? Oh, no. Yeah the car
Yeah, but so but he was saying that
According to them, it's their customers were
Speedster customers were saying we really like the idea of a convertible gt3
However, we don't like the idea of having to get out and manually. Yeah in the roof. Yeah
Which is kind of the whole point of carrying a speedster is that it's it's special but
We're talking about people that will have a speedster and 200 grand and a spare 200 grand to then go and spend on
A 911 sc so that was one thing the second thing
Was that it was uh, they had thought about this since the 997
So the they had always had this idea of maybe doing a
A convertible gt3. They've obviously had speedsters since 997. They did 991. We've not had one for 992 yet
But the reason it came up now is there was a gap on the supply line at their suppliers
And they said the carbon fiber for the carbon fiber body work. Yes. There was a gap on the supply line of where they go
We need to fill this
With something and so they were like well now's the time to do a gt3 convertible. So they had a
911 cabriolet prototype that was going to be destroyed because all prototypes or most prototypes
Have to be destroyed by by law. They certainly can't be sold
Some end up in museums and stuff
Or just kept in a collection of someone but like as in a person at the company
But but you think how many sold how many prototypes are made for all sorts of things
So they have one of those and they also had a gt3
Prototype as well that was also going to be destroyed. So they said well, why don't we take the bits from the gt3 and put it on the cabriolet?
Yeah, and see if it works and it did and then they they said there you go
That there's the gap filled on the production line. We now have
a 911 gt3
sc
Yeah, and the amazing thing was is that they it's andy. He reckoned mister, you know the jit. Yeah, I'll make
You know the genius behind Porsche gt products boss of gt. I think that's not his official title, but it effectively is
Lord of all Porsche gt products. There we go
Andy said that he wasn't convinced it was going to work straight away
Did he thought when we put all these, you know the sticky tires the chassis
That that configuration of engine into the cabriolet body
He was like we're going to have to do loads of work on the structure
And even he was surprised that they didn't and he said it was because of the crash structure
requirements of the modern day
Car structures are just so stiff and so strong and I guess that is literally the last five years. They've improved massively
Yeah, um that you have just lost that kind of wiggle in the structure
The fascinating thing about it is just how plug-in and play the other parts have been so
If we were to look at it, I would have already put pictures up on the screen, but we'll look at it again
You'll see that it is essentially just bits of gt3
Turing and gt3 st
Bit of rs bodywork as well, wasn't there a bit of ours?
So I think it was the st
If you look around the doors and the front wings. Yeah, those are carbon
Those are taken from the st slash gt3 rs
So you have the kind of like that that cut in from the door which looks so cool
Really really cool. The carbon bonnet
Is taken from the st and gt3 rs
Strangely though, do you remember he
Andreas was saying um, it was the first
It was a new carbon bonnet and it was the first that had crash protection for pedestrians
I looked at it though and the gt3 rs and the st had carbon bonnets
So what's the difference?
This was true for the entire event and this is no discredit the enthusiasm
But there were a lot of times where it was presented to us like a new thing
And then we realized it would already been used on other bits. Hence your parts being intro
Yes, these components did exist
It is cool though because it's the the key thing that I remember was that it's the only
Production so series production not limited production. It's the only series production
um carbon fiber bonnet because
No other brands have been able to get theirs through the pedestrian safety tests as of yet
And the word you remember the way Porsche got theirs through
It was the it got gone when you lifted it up you could see inside if you can imagine a sheet of carbon fiber
But with like it was actually two layers really like all bonnet metal bonnets have the same thing
Where there's kind of two layers and there's sort of lumps and bumps where they move and whatever
In this they had little slits like it was almost like someone had run a Stanley knife through bits of it
Like which were obviously to weaken certain sections so that it would break on impact with a with a person obviously
So it passes the pedestrian safety, but it's still carbon fiber. So it's really comfy if you get hit by it
Oh, yeah, I guess I guess the shards of fragments of carbon fiber would also be a problem
But anyway, so if you see one coming towards you, you'll go. Oh, no, I'm going to get hit by a regular gt
Oh, it's a 9 11 sc. That's got the new comfy back 992.2. Excellent. Yeah. Um, so it's so it's got that
Most of that so the roof comes straight from the cabrio, which has
Mar or what did I have magnesium arms on it? Yeah, that's it. That's it
It's a beautiful shape, which is actually was standard on the cabriolet. So again, that was another one where it was like
Oh, and then and then he was like, no, it's on a standard cabriolet. So again designed to make it a little bit lighter
Um, the uh, and most of the back end is 9 11 touring
Yeah, and that's why the downforce is the same because they were saying less downforce than the gt3
Obviously, there's no rear wing. Yeah, so touring spec, but apparently it was neutral
So I we don't have exact numbers, but they were saying that the downforce generated on the nose is the same at the rear
It was like presuming a gt3. There's more at the rear. I don't know
You'd imagine it'd be neutral in that as well. But if you lost the whole wing
Yeah, they said neutral. Yeah. Well, that's stable
It's precisely which is important when you're doing a million miles an hour on the on the auto barn
Um, the underpinnings I guess is that the most impressive thing is that they've taken the suspension
from the 9 11 gt3 touring
And left it as it is they've changed nothing the geometry spring rates everything
Is exactly the same and that goes back to your point of how the the structure of these are so
that stiff now that
You know any any time I can think of a car loses its roof
You have to basically redo the whole geometry and damping typically soften it off as well. Exactly. Yeah, yeah
Not on this though. And that that brings to the point of the weight, which is quite impressive. Yeah
Shall I reveal the weight go for it?
So the statistic what was the number we had so the total weight is
1497 kilograms. I'm saying that off the top of my head by the way because I've lost it in my notes
But I think I'm bang on with that
Where's where's it gone? There we are. Oh, yes bang on
1497 kilograms just under 1.5 times but the thing that's most impressive about that is
While it is 110 kilograms heavier than an s t coupé
More interesting is the comparison with the gt3 coupé and it's only 28 kilograms heavier than that
Despite as we said earlier gaining 70 kilogram worth of roof and mechanism. The important thing is it's not just the roof
It's all the electrics and the pyrotechnic
Head what they call the things that stop your head being chopped off roll hoops roll hoops
Yeah, and they fire out like a pair of metal metal arms
Technically that's 70 kilograms and yet the cars only gained 28 kilograms
But again, there's a little bit of
Do you know how they've done it? They've tweaked a little bit of the standard spec to ensure it
Well, I know that's definitely missing something. It's yeah, it's missing two rear seats missing two rear seats
You can gain a box obviously in the back. You can gain a box but a box weighs a lot less than than chairs
But they do actually maybe this does the gt3 it comes as standard not with carbon ceramics. It's an option
To the main yes, but the sc comes with them as standard the sc come that's exactly it and that's 20 kilograms of saving
So what they've done is they've gone. Oh, it's only gained 28 kilograms
But that's because they're comparing it to the standard gt3, which doesn't have the ceramics
And you can have a little bit of standard gt3 as well. Yeah. Yeah, yeah exactly you can
So it's a bit cheeky in the specs comparison there
They've gone we're going to compare this heaviest version of the gt3 with the lightest
Well, it's it's all the lightest version of the sc
But fair play, but you know at least there is you know, we're not talking about a
Wild difference here because then at least you're driving, you know, we would get into a standard gt3 that has
Steel brakes has rear seats and go this is a great time. Yeah, and then you're talking about this
sc that's a smidge in heavier
But you don't have a roof so you can hear the exhaust louder. That's the big thing
Yeah, and they haven't synthesized about here's that we haven't synthesized anything
We haven't changed the exhaust all the same, but the engine itself is is pretty much lifted straight from
GT3 touring. Yeah 9000 rpm 4 liter flat six
510 horsepower. Yeah
Will sound absolutely marvelous
Identical 0 to 62 as well because the weight is so similar 3.9 seconds to 62 and top speed of the touring
194 miles it's a mile an hour quicker than the gt3. Do you know what's also really interesting is
it's uh, so they've made this car for
You might consider the more casual gt3 buyer because they want they don't want the extremeness of a speedster
But they want to have the roof down and still feel the wind in their hair
It's only a manual then yeah making it with the pdk, which is another way in which they've made it lighter
That's true because it's uh, yeah a manual gearbox is a heck of a lot lighter than a than a pdk box
They've also used the st
Throw on it as well. So it's the gear knob is it's physically lower and I think it's a shorter shift too. Yeah. Yeah, so
So, yeah, it's it is quite fun in that sense of it just being a proper partspin special where you can literally just look at it and go
That's come from that that's come from that. Yeah, that's come from that
Um wheels those are from the 911 st
They've saved
Was it nine kilos in total nine kilos in total and conveniently because it means I can remember it
They each weigh nine kilograms. Yeah, exactly
So it's nine k g saved and a nine k g wheel and they had one that we could lift and I was able to lift it
Yeah, it was very nice. How light it is and that was with that was without the tire
I think the stats without the tire, but it'll be the same because the tire you they're both cup twos aren't they or
Pirelli or exactly?
Yeah, exactly the clutch was different to the st
Yes, because the st's got a fancy clutch. Is it not? Yeah, it's got like a light weight. It's a single
Oh god, this is testing single mass flywheel. This is dual mass. So it's much easier to use in traffic
So you won't embarrass yourself every time you pull away and you won't destroy the clutch if you do it wrong
Yeah, um, this is much more forgiving like a normal gt3
There you go
Other look changes. It's got a the black kind of matte black shroud to the windscreen
So the idea is to make it look at because we looked at it and we were like, have you done a new windscreen?
Yeah, it's really low. It's a trick of the eye. Yeah, just a match around around the around the windscreen
Uh, I would say it looks
Great
But I think when you do get up close to it and so what they had is they you're right
They had these two specs. They had the standard gt3 s c and then they also had what was the other one called the street spec
the street spec which was basically like a
A jazzed up version with all the options. It was very tart
It was like it was jackey stewart had leather tartan if someone skinned jackey stewart while he was dressed
And laid him out in the interior of a 9 11. That's what you'd get jackey spec
They should have called it the jackey spec
It was so tartan even the interior even the inside of the glove compartment was tartan. Yeah
The jackey special, which is funny when you had all the journalists looking around it
It was the it was the bit that got people the most excited is when the glove box opened and we've got a leather trousers
tartan glove box that car the street
Pack style pack or whatever that had a prototype
kind of
Bin in it for storage bin
So it was kind of like a flat shelf behind the seats with two lids on top. It was inspired by
previous cameras
That's it 93 as well where it was behind the rear seats
You had doors that opened and he said it's such a pain in the ass. Why aren't the other things on the on the on the top?
That's what that's what old proininger does. He goes in and just he's it's he just makes everything seem so obvious
like why why aren't we doing this? Yeah, um, and
So it looked it looked quite smart in that when you go back to the regular
GT3 sc
There's a big old gap where the rear seats are and it looks a bit awkward
It just doesn't finish because there's just lumps where seats go, but there's no seat in there. Exactly. Yeah, I mean
Are people going to care? No even a little bit, but I mean just just
That's just my opinion from being on the ground is that it
Kind of from some angles it just looked like almost like a pickup
There's just this big gap between the rear seats and it was like
If if because he liked the idea and I'm sure he thought of it
But he said he hadn't when we suggested. Oh, why don't you replace the box with a couple of nets for helmets?
He's like, oh good idea
So if that goes in, you know, it was a piston heads edition. That's it should be called the ph now
I missed that. I can't like claim to say in that then but this is why he liked us
Yeah, yeah, he loved he really really said he said god not motoring Janice. I normally night you guys were like really
Yeah, he was like you guys are genuine friends and then came down and had a massive long chat with us about e46 and threes
Hour and a bit wasn't it? Oh, he was great guy. Yeah
Andy we want you on the pod so freaking bad
But uh, the only thing I would say so so looking at it
It I think it does make sense from
You know, there is there is a gap for a GT3 convertible. I think the way they've gone about it makes a lot of sense
I think it looks like an interesting product. It's not limited by production. So whereas
Speeds does have been limited before this isn't
series
It's not a series production cut. So yeah, you can you can buy as many as you want
Of course, you're gonna need to get an invite there. I mean like a GT3 is not limited by production, but it is
So
Yeah, you can providing your tummy with your dealer. You can go and buy one. It's 200 and 200, 500 pounds 200, 500
I'm just gonna scroll it up. Yes. That's it
Before options. So that all makes sense. It it did however
Scream to me. We've known there's been some recent news from Porsche that they've gone
obviously the they've
Ever since the new CEOs come in they've got we we are completely changing our our
trajectory from what was before go big on EV now they've gone. We really need high margin
um specials
and
You know the
They say that they're mulling a flagship supercar above or flagship sports car above 9 11
But they're also kind of yeah these high margin cars when I saw this
I was like, that's exactly what this is the first first car of that is one of these
high margin cars because it's like it's
And it makes sense. You know, yeah, if you're going to do it
Yeah, go and get loads of parts been stuff. Check it on a cabrio. Yeah, see if it works and
You know, it's we'll have to take Andreas for his word at least for the moment
And yeah them saying just we managed to put everything on it all worked really well
It's this this and that you know, I mean we have no reason to believe it won't because Porsche has made some fantastic products in the last
many many many years
so
Yeah, I mean it's if this is what you're the
The the future of Porsche is going to be and just giving us more gt alternatives. Yeah, I'm all for it
Yeah, as long as it trickles down to because the only thing is is 200 000 pounds and I know what gt-3s are
Fair bit less than that on there and of course you can still pick up
I mean it's 100k now just to get an eye 11 really, isn't it? So they all start from quite high up
But as long as we still, you know, they don't forget about us at the
I say us haven't got a Porsche
But I dream of owning a Cayman or a Boxster one day, you know
As long as there's still that attainable product at the bottom, you know
They don't forget about us with I guess their smaller margins down that end of the market
Then I'm all for it. Well, there's um, obviously Boxster and Cayman. Yeah, he's was was meant to be
Well, yeah, I mean there's I've been reading so many conflicting reports on this of where
Stuff's come out and said the EV's dead. We're now doing combustion engines
I've now read that that's not the case that they're still doing an EV version of it
It's just that both right maybe product combustion versions will be
And just the amount of re-engineering of that just seems astonishing to to to make that work
But so it's very likely that we will be catered for with those sorts of cars. It's just
It will be very very far into the future. Yeah talking about next
I don't know
Many years. Yeah a half a decade at least I think to to get that sort of stuff through so
um
Yeah, I but
When you're there it you feel like you're in the presence of a proper GT car. It looks
Like the real deal. Yeah, but the thing that really stood out to me as we're walking around it
Is that mr. Prowning you said?
I'm a cabriolet guy through through I'm first and foremost a cabriolet guy
And I that stayed with me and I was like that that
Does not make any sense to me whatsoever. Yeah, so after we had our little walk around
um
I cornered him while he was having lunch and he looked genuinely shocked that I'd walked over
And then more shocked that I I didn't want to ask him lots of industry questions
But I wanted to know what was in his garage. Yeah, so I said, what's this cabriolet that you drive?
I didn't realize and he's like, oh, I've got um, he bought a 993 Carrera s. I think it was a Carrera s
cabrio
and has
I was going to say slowly made it. He said it wasn't slow
He bought it and just went took it straight to GT and got them to do everything perfectly everything on that cabriolet is
911 parts
He didn't tell me exactly which bit was was what but he's like I just picked basically the best of everything you could find
To put it on his 993 cabrio and he's had it for 20 years. Yeah, I think had it for a very very long time
Absolutely adores it. Yeah
And he's the thing I loved is I've you got um because he's changed. I think he has pole positions in it. Yeah, he does
Yeah, yes, because I was like, I've got pole positions in my Clio
So I pretended I had like the same and it's to be fair. He was like, oh, that's very cool
But I said, oh, have you got like a smaller racing steering wheel Porsche has got plenty of options from, you know
Track spec steering wheels to choose from and you went no no
I've got the standard because it's quite a big wheel on that car with the oblong centos
I know I've got a standard wheel. I wanted to keep the airbag. I've got normal seatbelts
So it's like extreme and clearly track capable, but still also very usable daily car if he wants it to be
It's extremely cool. Um, then I asked him
What else are you driving? What else is in the garage?
I was not prepared. I'm glad I was sat down for this because I was not prepared for what his response would be
The first car was he goes. Well, my daily driver is really a dodge ram
Very it's what yeah, he's got a dodge ram
Um, and I said
For the boss of Porsche GT to have a dodge ram as a ludicrous and he goes, well, I won't do the exit
He said, well, I like doing dirt bikes. He was me and my family. We like going dirt bike riding
And he goes and if you've got a cayenne with a trailer on the back and you take that on the autobahn
You're limited to 80 kilometers an hour
Ah, so you can't really
It's always like so it takes forever. Whereas if you've got a dodge ram as a pickup
You could put the cup the the bikes in the back and you can there's no speed limit
You can go as fast as you want because of the trailer just clarify. Yeah, it's not the cayenne that's limited
It's the trailer trailer that limits the speed. Yeah. Yeah. It was the dodge ram
You just you're just a dodge ram and you'll see that's the the signs at the side of it
You know if you're going through an area this europe does like to peg
Uh caravans back because everybody in europe loves a caravan. Oh, yeah
Um, so yeah, so he was drives a dodge ram was not expecting that
And so I was like, okay. Well, you know, what's what's the next project then if you've you've done this
993 cabriolet, what's the next project that you're you're gonna get and he goes
He's like, um, do you know the ferrari Daytona in miami vice?
I said the ferrari Daytona that wasn't a ferrari Daytona that they had to blow up because it wasn't a ferrari Daytona
And he goes, yeah, it's the um, you know, I can't remember the exact name of it
But it's it's based on a corvette. Yeah, the Chevrolet Corvette underneath
Uh, and so I said, yeah, I know the one he goes. I want one of those
So why on earth would you want a replica of a ferrari?
365 Daytona?
and he said well, um
He just first of all loves miami vice just thinks it's so cool
He says that the proportions of the the replica are actually better than
Oh, wow the real thing
That's and I was like, okay, right and he goes and just finally I just think they're really cool
You know, yeah, so but you'd have a corvette v8 in it. Um
Yeah, so he's his idea is he wants to find one of those and like
Well, they're many around
How can you find one of these? They are apparently quite rare. Oh man, I bet
Is that what it was something surged something I think
Because these are all my they're they're just finished a little of the miami vice ones. Oh, well, that'll be it, won't it?
But that's from the show a Crockett's Daytona
Yeah, they they they blew up. So that's the actual one from the from the show
But I guess they didn't blow them all up. So there probably was a real one and then they blew up another one
What was talking of blowing up cars? I always think of the italian job when they knocked the cars off the mountain
Oh, that was because they were they were legit ones. Yeah. Well, there are no engines in them
So, yeah, so they were yeah, they were based on a so they were built by a
A chap called tom mcburni. That feels appropriate for a car that's going to get blown up. It really does mcburni
Yeah, it's just it's all right named by a british vote. What shall we call the guy who's going to blow up the cars?
mcburni mcburn man or something. Oh
Bernie mcburn it just kind of like we've got to think of the most british name for this guy
But so yes mcburni coachcraft created these these replicas and the thing is is that they do look
Not really like they do they do not look exactly like a Daytona
They but if you're drunken looking at a Daytona, you
It looks like you're drunk looking at the thing is back in back in the 80s that would you would have been like
Kind of works. Yeah, but also the other thing to think about is if you there's a picture of I've got pictures of a
legitimate Daytona spider versus a
The replica. Yeah, and you can see that the the wheels. Yeah stick out quite far on the replica
So they're kind of inboard and very slim line on the regular Daytona on the other one. Yeah, you're looking at
I have an amazing miami. I haven't vice city. I have just discovered
Oh my god
For those who ever played grand devtorto vice city the Daytona in that now
I wouldn't ever notice this and I've only just learned this it's got look at the wheel arches
It's based on crockets fake
Daytona is not an actual Daytona
That is cool to the extent where the headlight sizes are slightly in because they're slightly bigger headlights, aren't they?
Yeah on the fake one and the wheel arch extensions. That's it
So the my so the vice city Daytona, which many of us would have played and gone
Oh, this is based on a Ferrari Daytona is not based on a Daytona. It's based on the the McBurney that is so funny
I love I hadn't noticed the
The the makeshift wheel arch. Yeah, but you know to be fair to mr. Prowninger
It looks pretty cool. Yeah, but I'm worried that it's kind of I think it's cool because
Andrea's pruning has said that it's cool. Yeah, so we did find ourselves actually because this was the this was the first time I'd met
Andy me too. Yeah, and and so we kind of found ourselves
It's almost like you're in the presence of of an all-knowing
Being and so you just kind of you're asking questions to see
How what they think about stuff? So you were asking him quite extensively about the ix3 steering
Well, I was feeling quite damaged because I just my ix3 video review even on piston as had gone live not
You know a few days prior and I'd been I'd put in that and I stand by this statement that it doesn't have any steering
Feel that's not to knock the car
It doesn't need steering feel and ix3 who cares about ix3 is having steering feel nobody
But I put in because it's for piston as I said
It doesn't have any steering feel and I did get a little bit of a hammering from a few people who said they'd watch some
Other videos saying they do have steering feel I can stand by my statement. They don't
and I came uh
Andy and said, oh, you know, I've been noticing how people sort of use the term steering feel
For cars that don't have steering feel quite often these days and I could see him
Like before I'd finished my sentences. He was passionately nodding and like yes
I agree with you and I was like every time I get into a Porsche
I've got this even the modern Porsche's electrically assisted ones
I have this kind of palette cleanser as far as steering feel goes
You could do the same if you got in a catering
But you know a Porsche was slightly easier to live with if he's got seatbelts and a roof
Um, and I was like, it's my palette cleanser. How do you achieve steering feel in even your big?
SUVs, which you know other brands have gone
It's not worth it and understandably so and he came at me with quite a cool
Long quote and I'm not going to read the whole thing
But effectively he his the key line was Porsche does things the opposite way around to all other brands
You know in this world. I'm not I'm sure he's talking about McLaren and Ferrari
But certainly BMW and other brands of that kind of ilk and he said that when Porsche develops a new platform with a steering system
Um, you know a new system for that
They will have just a very bare-bones mechanical steering setup that they engineer in the platform
To be the way they want it to feel and then they'll add in the safety systems
Then they'll add in the rubberizations and stuff like that for comfort and NVH, etc
And then they just try and retain as much of the original
Feel that they had in the mechanical setup and he said most other brands what they do is they build the setup from the beginning with all the
NVH and
All the rubberizations in it already
So they already come in with a softened
Less feel some setup and they just haven't got as much to claw back or they haven't got the desires claw back as much
So because they never had it in the first place and so he said a lot of cars
They'll say they have steering feel because they add a lot of weight into the steering which I totally agree with
I think a lot of people say oh this has steering feel they're actually talking about weight
And weight isn't feel you know ask a formula one driver
There isn't any weight that the steering is light in a formula one car
You know that you can you see them steering with one hat that the Aston Martin drivers famously at the moment
Are steering with one hand because the other one's gone numb from the vibration
They used to do it with the f-duct as well
Well, they have one hand on the on the side of the cockpit weight doesn't mean feel weight is is a different thing
And it's tight. It's totally possible to have light steering that has lots of feel and in steer in Porsche's cases
They're not light, but it's not heavy and it has tons of feel
Um and he was really really happy to me say that and and then he went into this whole description of how they do it
And you know, there are things in the GT department in particular where they can kind of
Cheat a little bit cheat and inverted commons, you know rose-jointed bushing and there's a less requirement for NVH
You know if you've done a long-distance drive in a Cayman GT4 RS or a GT4, you know, they're not the most comfortable thing
They feel quite track-carry in many ways
So you do compromise in other ways to gain that feel
But also, you know from my Cayenne electric drive where I drove the turbo that is a car that's really comfortable in air suspension
But has a ton of steering feel so it's kind of like win-win
I mean you do have to spend 130k to achieve that but it you know comfortable easy to live with
Easy ish to drive in town. It is massive, but it's got all-wheel steering
So it's it shrinks a bit
But then you have so much steering feel and it's just amazing to hear how you know
He was discussing the team they have and and how everyone in the team agrees on these key things when it comes to steering feel
brake pedal feel
And just accelerate a response even in EVs. There's no discussion on it
They all agree and he said other brands you'll have people coming in saying
Oh, well, you know, some of our customers want a slightly different feeling this and that and the other
And he basically said we engineer cars for us the team that makes them which is a small number in something
I think there's you know, a few dozen obviously eventually, but a small number on the initial
Conception they engineer it from themselves and he and he said his words
Why it's just a nice coincidence that our customers agree with us
That's why it's such a joy to talk to him is that you get, you know, we've spoken to
We've spoken to so many executives from car companies and some very very intelligent engineers and you're highly regarded engineers
And when you talk to them, especially at events like this, they are always in
PR mode. Yeah, always telling you they're always very nice. They're always very informative
But you know that like
They're they they have the script in their head of what they've got to say
But when you're it almost feels like the opposite of when you're talking to adi pruning
I think if you went up to him and just went how's your day going?
He would have no interest whatsoever
But it was when you come in with this really nerdy stuff and you want to know he lives and breathes this
He absolutely lives and breathes it and it's not it's not a day job for him. No
Um, and just just feeling that
It's someone who's just so sure of where these products should go and and the
What they mean to his lot and and you know us as drivers is is uh, yeah, it's fascinating
So so great to get some time with them and um
And see this new gt3. Yeah sc
Interested to see what it's going to be like to drive and how it's received
Can I quickly throw in my shoe size fact that I find really fun? Oh, yeah
The I asked um and I said, why don't you do your pedals setups in your gt models?
Especially with the pdk cars like mclaren does where the pedals fall naturally under your feet like a go karts pedals
But obviously closer together
So left foot braking is more natural than right foot braking so much so that in mclaren's
Even in slow traffic you typically use your left foot to break because it's just more comfortable
And it's easier to do and it feels perfect
And I said, why don't you do that in your Porsche pdk cars?
Is it because it's just expensive to redevelop?
Pedal setup and he said no, it's because our customers have to fit what our demands from customers are are much wider
And the average shoe size of our customers
I think this is in us shoe size
But it's similar in the uk, isn't it he goes this is an 8.5 to an 11
That's the average foot size and he says that most people are used to driving
You know cars where they're breaking with their right foot all the time
So that's why if you're wondering they've got a wider expectation
They've got a wider customer base than your average mclaren buyer apparently
I just feel like we could do a an ask andy tech support
Thing where we just ask him loads of questions and then get the be all and end all answer
We have a post by gster169 and they say I've a merc cls
And i'm looking to change it for something sportier as a daily driver
I've got 30 000 pounds and i'm considering a maserati gibli
It's about gibli
A bentley continental gt and a Porsche macon, which i'm assuming is a mechanic
mileage will be around 14 000 per year
It's just for me and the missus. I like a large boot for cases, etc
Ideally a car with an actual spare tire any ideas greatly appreciated
Short but sweet this one we very rarely see sometimes I read these and I have to trim them down because they're they're like a small bible
So nice short sweet
Sam you've got 30k. Yeah, what have you found?
So the first one is not correct for this person, but i'm just going to mention it because I really want one
30k you can get a bmwa these days
Isn't that wild isn't that wild great daily driver because it has genuinely really good mpg looks like a exotic super car from the future
It's in that dark that one's in the dark great and it looks fantastic. Yeah, all right 32 875 on this one
So call it 33 grand a little bit over budget, but 51 000 miles the issue with this is boot space
Because it doesn't have a front boot because of the electric motor you got a boot at the back
But could you get a suction cupped?
You know or some kind of roof rack on it. Maybe I really want one of these and if you look at the finance for a used car you're like
This is quite a sensible buy potentially. Do you remember the uh roof boxes that they made for conic's eggs?
Think like the agera. Were they suckered on they were I can't remember, but they were very streamlined
Yeah, they did. I think they did a it might be too labor. I can't remember apologies if you work for the
Roof box that did them, but they were very very very streamlined. So they were they looked like they were
Kind of like an organic addition to the car. Yeah, yeah
I feel like those would work brilliantly perfectly on that. I I ate because if you put that on because it's such a smooth and rounded
and streamlined car
That's a really cool idea
Which is because they're so fuel efficient like I was dreaming about this the other day when I was driving in my in my
Mazda and I was like
I'll probably get better mpg. My Mazda is perfectly fine on mpg
But I was like I'll probably get better mpg out of an i8. Uh, you know, but anyway, that's a silly suggestion
This is what motoring life is like in your 30s. We're now getting to the point of where we go
I like the idea of something that's more economical. It's sensible. No get out of my head
And I just love the design and the carbon and the oh, they're so cool. They are
They're so cool on the complete end and this so that that is speaking of fuel officials
That's an asterisk. Yeah speaking of fuel efficient. Well, I've traded fuel efficiency, but got your space. So yes
This still I mean, I'm gonna have to scroll. This doesn't have is are they really this cheap still
27 grand five pounds less than 27 grand and it's a 29 496 mile. Uh, it says zero previous owners
So apparently this is being sold from its original owner. Um
I have chosen an e 60 bmw
M5 which means you have got a v10 engine under the bonnet kind of annoys me because you've beaten me on cylinders
Yeah, and I just love these. I've loved these from day one. I always love the design
I know they didn't get the best reaction initially
I think they look great and I always have they've grown on me and I loved them first time out amazing engine
Links to formula one, you know, I don't know how close the links are but it was back in the williams bmw era
It's cool. It's great. It has a lot of space
It's it's an expensive daily. It potentially could bankrupt you but it's relatively practical because it's a five series
Do you know what that's actually
Relative so it's just having a look through the piston heads auctions because we've had a lot of e 60 m fives go through auctions and sell
Um remarkably
So this one that you're looking at is 26 9 9 5 with only 29 495 miles on it
And according to this it's it's coming from its first owner
We've we had an we had a an e 60 m 5 sell and ph last year about six months ago
with
Over double the mileage, but it still had its manufacturers warranty and sold for the same amount of money
Wow, which is great. It was crazy that it still has a manufacturer warranty at
21 years. I don't want to know how much that cost to it to extend
But we also had an m 5 touring that was had a hundred and three miles a thousand miles on it
Which sold for 20 were just shy of 24 grand as well. So they're getting strong money
So for 26 9 9 5 to get a it's a pre facelift
But you know
There's that three month warranty on there. Yeah, if you go and buy it and
Yes, it's going to be a bit thirsty and it's going to be a bit
We'll just make sure you get it serviced when you should get it serviced
But then you have a v10 and vine and don't you will be the coolest person ever
Don't watch harris's videos on uh
His you know when he took one in he was like, oh, I'll just get a quick job done. He's like, ah
Yeah, everything needs changing
But what a car very very cool talking of lots of car
or lots of engine
I don't know tons about these although I did drive a camaro in texas a couple of years ago
But it was just a v6, but I have picked out for 29 950 pounds
A chevrolet camaro 2 ss rs now I have to admit
I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to what that means, but it has got a 6.2 liter v8 405 horsepower
I mean, you know, it sounds
It's going to sound amazing literally and also it's clearly been cherished. I mean, it looks great two previous owners
um
mot until november
It says excellent overall condition
That's only a hundred horsepower less than what uh moseley's managed to get out of the 6.2 liter v8
So by american standards, that's actually quite impressive
um, but uh, uh, yeah, so it's yeah silver with black stripes
These I actually think these are quite cool. I think it's so cool. Look at these are quite cool
I think they're cooler than a dodge challenger. Yeah, I mean the intake. Okay. When you get inside the interior. Oh god
Yeah, it's quite that is not the greatest interior, but it's okay
It's I mean, they were never known for their interior. No, it's quite plasticy, isn't it? Yes, exactly. So, um, you know
You're buying an engine. You're this is the same manufacturer as voxel. Yeah. So, you know, it's precisely
So but I think the exterior design is
Is really fantastic. And I think it's aged really well
I think this is one of these kind of it was around that time of when the muscle car was getting
Re-invigorated. Yeah, and the what year is this 2014? Okay. So yeah, challenger challenger has been around for a while
The mustang had obviously been around for
That the kind of new shape mustang launched in 2004. I think so. Yeah
Or when they went back to a more conventional shape. So
Yeah, I it's a cool shell. Yeah, cool car gonna cost you a lot of money something a bit more sensible
But actually quite rare on our roads something I always quite liked
Kia stinger gt with the v6
2020 car gts even sorry. Yeah, you're right. And it's 288 50
You know, it's a sensible spec. Do I see a pano
And reclining sunroof there. Yeah, look, it's got it's got a nice spec on it. And it's two previous owners
Sensible car. This feels like a mature buy. I like an obscure engine size, Sam. Yeah, I like a
When I look at something and I go, that's not the sort of numbers I would see after the point
This is a 3.3 liter v6. Yeah, these are 3.3 liter. Yeah, uh, not often
I've driven one of these many times and they are
It's hilariously
Oversteer prone. Yeah, like they just love getting their ass out. Yeah
And it's the Kardashian of Kias. It is the Kardashian of Kias
And and it's you know, and it looks great
It they sound very muted. I think they're in a dire need of a good like a free of flowing exhaust system
But look fantastic. This is when Kias started getting good. Uh, chassis done by Albert Bierman
former m boss high-end I n boss
So yeah, really good cars and holding their money extremely well
These tanks rarity isn't it very quickly and then they've stuck. They're a bit like
One of the cars on my list. Ah, in fact, I'm just going to jump straight into it. Uh, so speaking of cars that
Tank in value and then just stop
Um, number one is a for me is a 2009 lexus isf
Oh, yeah, I may have bought an isf up before in a previous podcast because I think they're fantastic
And I would like one very much. Yeah, this is a 2009 car
It's a jdm though. Did the jdms come with a limited slip diff? No, I don't think they did
I think they were exactly the same as the ones that came over in England. So they were
Uh, the the the launch cars were known for being a bit firm and in need of a slippy diff
Um, however, if you're wanting a facelift isf, you're going to be paying
30 odd if not more
I found this one for $19995
60 000 miles and it's in the right color. It's blue although they do look great in black
And I think you can get them in a pearly white as well. That was really nice blue on red. That looks quite nice, isn't it?
Blue on red. Yeah, so it's it's got heart red leather seats
Um, which won't be to everybody's taste, but you have a
five-liter naturally aspirated v8 up front and once that's singing you won't care
Also on on, you know, we've been talking about the uh,
9 11 gt3 sc
You know how on the gt3 rs and the sc they have that kind of cut away. Yeah
It's by on the front wing. It's got a door. It's exactly the same as isf
It looks properly purposeful. I guess that's uh, what exhaling air from the will well or something
Yes, and just to look freaking cool. It's got stacked exhausts. I've got that
They will be thirsty
but
This is, you know, obviously lexus toyota famous for its engineering and reliability and this v8 is
One of the very best of the 21st century. I think yeah, yeah fantastic car fantastic engine
If however, you would like to roll the dice a little bit more with
Running costs and reliability. I have found an alfa romeo julia quadrifoglio
For 29 9 8 9. I believe this makes it one of the cheapest quads on the market
I think they're just starting to dip below 30 now. Yeah, um, and
boy
What a lot of cars
Now at this price as well, actually, I know it's a 2018
But like the infotainment and stuff people moan about it
I still see people moaning about it now and fair enough because if you're going to live with the car every day
It it does feel last decade, but when you're at this price point, you're like, does it really matter anymore?
It's got apple carplay on it. That is the most important thing. Just run everything off that. Who cares if it's a little bit laggy
Um, of many many good things have been said about the 2.9 liter twin turbo v6 in this
You're getting 500 horsepower. That is
100 horsepower more than your Chevrolet. Yeah, yeah with half the capacity and this will be a bit lighter
I bless you. Yeah, it should be lighter
And it will definitely feel lighter because the the fabulous thing about these is they drive like a four-door Ferrari
And they've got that lovely suppleness and the other thing as well
They have the presence of a four-door Ferrari. They do one of my neighbors has one and I
I'm still slap-jawed every time I see it. They are fantastic
Um, 29 989 70 000 miles two previous owners and a full service history lovely
And one of the best gearbox shift paddle setup in the game. Yeah, and I think clack aluminium. Oh
I know you're a fan of a clack clack clack on a on a julia quad this one
I think really fits the bill of what they're after. Yeah
However, mm-hmm because they've mentioned it
They've mentioned a Maserati ghibli on there on the list. So I feel like you know, they are they are willing to again roll the dice
um
How about this though
2014
Jaguar xf rs. Oh, they look so good 29 925
Oh boy. I mean these are uh, we actually saw one. Well, we saw we saw an xkrs out in germany, didn't we?
Yes, and when we did. Yeah, we did. You're right. We were following it for a bit. Yeah
This is maybe why the idea has popped into my head. Uh, this is uh, it's a gray example
So it's not in the the shouty blue
It's in like is it just me or is it like a tinge of green on that gray?
Or is it just because it's parked in a slight wooded area?
Yeah, either that or something severely wrong with your eyes green slight green tinge to it
It's a gray, but it's got a bit of a bit more color to it. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, um, yeah, so it's
I mean, you we're talking about 400. Sorry, we're talking 400 542 brake horsepower
So this is the most powerful of the ones that I have 5 liter v8. Uh, it's it's a
Properly good engine this
um, and
three previous owners 59 000 miles 29 9 2 5
I enjoy the really cool thing with the xf is though
Not just have you got the awesome better handling than a five series or great handling
Uh, great looks and this these these look like proper almost skunk works. Yeah, they do
It's if twr had made it, you know awesome design
But they have great interiors because they've got the little pop out. Oh, yeah
You know
Vents that that rotate on the dash they've got the the rotating drive selector absolutely adore these and
The facelifted version which is this one is based off looked the most like the original xf concept
Really nerdy, but um, I just think everything on that great proportions the wing on the back like the wing on the back there
You know that could have really ruined a quite an elegant car, but it just works
That front intake set up on the bumpers the wheels the stance
It's such a pretty car. There's there is something extremely old school about it in the sense that yeah
It does look like if it it's kind of in those old twr tuned
You know when they did the original xj when they did the xjr xjs
Yeah, if
Well, I mean twr. I mean, they're they're not far away from me
Um, I would love to see you do another take on on some other Jags other than the x
Uh xjs, so uh, yeah, that's the car. I'm gonna put forward. I think it's brilliant
I love it. That is a tough one to be because that is lovely. I'm now looking at that. Oh, I think I'll go with
I'll just you know a wild card. Let's go with an e60 m5
Oh, yeah, sod it. I don't think I think that's the first time we've had an e60 m5 because it's not normally a right
It's not normally a very sensible choice. Not usually in this case either, but when you went, oh, no, he's going for a jack
Okay, I'll go for I'll go for a v10. So I was like the stinger is the sensible choice
But where's the fun in that also what is fun? You've got 500 horsepower
Yes, so you you are up there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. So um and it may I mean the v8 makes a wonderful sound
Yeah, yeah
So there you have it those are our two. Yeah, those are your two picks
So if you like what we've done, we will have a pole going out on spotify
You can pick my car or you can pick sam's car or if you think it was totally rubbish
Go on to the piston heads homepage and go and click on the topic
You can pop your own suggestions in there if you've got a car that you'd like to sell you can pop it in there or better yet
Maybe put it on piston heads auctions and see how much you can get we've had loads of jags on there
So go and have a look see what you might be able to get for it or just pick up the phone have a chat with our consignors and
See what we can do
So
Last but not least
I'm so glad that we've got round to this. I can't believe it's taken us this long to do this topic
This one has been started by blue haddock
And they say following on from a post-elter in the form about driving a reliant robin down through africa
I was thinking about crap cars that you have a soft spot for
My great uncle roley had a light blue reliant realto
That is a bit of a tongue twister
I'm trying to say that a lot that we went on some amazing family days out in back in the early to mid 80s
And I've thought about buying one to relive those days
Uh
Great suggestion. Can I just shout out? I just googled reliant realto and uh, there's a dodgy charger
That was on an old shed of the week on piston heads 2015 and it's got a dodge charger
I guess that was the 70s. Yeah. Yeah the 70s orange with the the number
Three wheeler dressed up sort of like that that is and it's got two bonnet scoops
You know the flag on the roof's got a bit of negative connotations now
Yes, could you imagine driving around and a reliant robin now with that because you'd anger so many people and the annoying thing is
They could just go and roll you over really easily
So, yeah, uh, they wouldn't be able to see the flag anymore, but you would feel like oh the comments are brilliant
No, seriously. No, anyway for anyone on the internet right now worth a search
Well, they've also said I've also considered buying a few one two six
Oh, those are cool as our neighbor when growing up had one which I love to bits as a kid
Uh, I've also also got a soft spot for citron 2cv's
Uh, so what oh god, bernie 78 two friends and I bought this for the value of a number plate back in 2017
And I certainly and I think certainly before they became cool ish and it's an austin allegro
Yeah, so they become cool. Is that an allegor or is that a princess? I think it's
The image is an allegro. It's a it's an allegor because it's a it's a two door
But are they cool? Are they becoming cool? Similarly? I bought this for a friends 40th austin rover only road trip to wales
and
A friends 40th austin rover only road trip that is brilliant
Let me know if you made it was stolen for oh no
We're stolen from outside my partner's house christmas 2023 and recovered four days later
So you can't really part with it as it's pretty much worthless. That's joyriders. That is
My yeah, my parents had a mark three fiesta nicks outside the house twice
And joyriders stole it first time recovered second time didn't that is and it's got like
It's got the aero wheels before tesla did aero wheels. Look at those
Those can't be those look like that's sort that captain scarlet had on his those are like they're really cool
Yeah, I can't remember what the captain scarlet car was called but um that thing
We've also rotten monta. I live I live near a rotten montego. It's parked outside and the interior is very muddy
Andy b28 wants a lada niva
I think everyone's got a secret soft spot for a lada niva. Yeah, some of these aren't craps
But like a new lada riva, you know, because they they they produced the well up and shill about
Yes, it was right next to it was right next to the porch place. Yeah, absolutely
Uh, what what these aren't even
Any 1980s alfremont these aren't crap. I mean crap by rust standards, but yeah, I think maybe we're the wrong
Maybe it's our demo our kind of age group that look at that and go. I just thought they were cool
I thought they were cool. Yeah, absolutely austin princess by entropy probably my first memory of a car
They were everywhere and had a distinctive wedge design and usually in beige dark orange or yellow if I see a picture of one
I instinctively go back to in time to 1983 being very little walking to town with my mom and baby brother in a pram
And seeing princesses everywhere. I thought they were cool. And I think I still have my yellow matchbox toy
I went to see an austin princess at they've got one on display at the beauty motor museum
And I walked there's they've got a section called
My dad had one of those and you walk through it in the first cars in austin princess and my dad's dad my grandpa had
An austin princess and I we looked into the interior and there was exposed cables everywhere
And I said to him was like, well, they like this in period. He was like, yep. Yeah, they were they were oh
They were all friday builds
Imagine if you had your like kid in front and they just went i'm just going to pull all these cables
My parents had a metallic green austin princess yet another one yet that was uh, arnold cunningham
There's a lot of princess love here. Uh, I've always lusted after a jensen healy mr.
Square kins can I just shout someone's somebody red white monkey's called out the fiat multiplier
I agree, but I mean it was genius packaging. It was, you know, three seats up front horrendous
As long as you were you're blind. It's a really good-looking car really and that that was the that was one of the
Cars that was everywhere in my school. Yeah, it was going up and all the all the parents had um
Had fiat multipliers and I I didn't think they were actually pretty cool
One of the parents had a cries of the pt cruiser and they weren't cool
So
Sam, what are you what have you got to chip in?
Well, mine are inspired by my my my love of motor racing because um, and it shows you like, you know win on sunday
So long monday
Are big big influence. I I really like despite that famous farmer who used to present a television show
Uh, just really disliking them. I really like some of the voxel vectors because of the bt cc
Yeah, because I just loved watching especially the avan miller area and james thompson, which was actually the later cars
I think there were astras actually as well. Yeah. Um, which also I kind of like because of the racing
But um, we just both were like falling over the picture of a vector gsi v6
So in 90s, they were cool. They those were the the the kind of the bt cc
Brode going on. I don't know if the the the the races had v6's because I know the fords did
Yeah, I don't I think well
I saw an image that said they did but either way they just looked so cool and obviously the v6 in the road car
I don't they're probably rubbish to drive
But they look cool. They do look quite cool
Um, it's funny you say that because I was a big fan of I think you and I would have been on opposing teams
Who bt cc because I was a big fan of the mg z t's. I like the the black and green ones. The black and green
Yeah, warren hughes collin turkington
Antony reed. Yeah, that was my like
I absolutely loved that era and so the voxels for me were always the bad guys
However, one of the ones I was going to include on this list was the astra triple 8 edition. Yeah. Have you seen that?
Yes. Yeah, I do remember that. It's basically the way I like to think of it is it's the poor man clk dtm
It's a coupé, isn't it? It's the coupé. Yeah, I think that coupé shape is amazing
They did the coupé but they put some bt cc bits on it
Yeah, which was cool and then they put in an interior that was a bit. Yeah time
And then there was very well they were and actually funnily enough
I still remember what the interior of a vector smells like because my dad being a mechanic used to bring home
Customer cars and sometimes he buys buy something for a few hundred quid and then sell it later on
Um, and and they had early vet or the vet. I guess it would have been a late 90s vector
I had uh that material I don't know what it is
It wasn't the lure but it was quite soft and they were like little dots in the fabric
So it actually had a texture so it didn't feel cheap. Yeah, and they always said the voxels had a certain smell
Anyone who knows what I'm talking about will probably be going. Yes, they do. Everyone else won't have a clue
I'm talking about they had a smell certainly in the 90s. Maybe in the early 90s. That was noticeably voxel
um, but I also saw very recently like four or five days ago on the motorway a
relatively un molested
Vectra vxr the one with the big open-eyed face the later
2000s car also raced in the vtc. Yes, I remember that and I was like I haven't seen one nice for britcio giovanardi
Quite cool. Yeah, that was it up the inside of people
He's making his comeback almost wasn't he because he'd come from the wtc. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, and I was like
I think that looks quite cool. Yeah, I quite liked it. Yeah 100%
Yeah, I I I thought those were pretty cool actually. I think it was maybe
I always associated
Kind of voxels as the bad guy car. Yeah, I think it was because
Jason playto who I think is an absolute dude
But he I mean he'll admit he liked to be the pantomime villain in btcc and like winding people up
He definitely used other cars as brakes. Oh, absolutely many times
Where he was not applying maximum brake pressure while rear-ending another car on another note. He's a team boss this year
I'm so I'm genuinely so happy to see that he's back in btcc and as a as a yeah
So that is really really rad. Uh on that note actually as the fear of vxr's on my on my list
Oh, yeah, they are like
I just think they're just so silly. They are I miss voxel. Didn't they ride terribly because I think they did everything
And they were massive. Yeah, but they went in a straight line really well and for me that's that's kind of what
General motors at the time was was really good at doing is kind of like cheap cheap cheap performance
Big power for not a lot of money and the voxels drove terribly from what I heard
but
It just mattered because you had a you had a vxr with well over 200 horsepower
And it's the imposition in I mean you kind of like it
They weren't you know, there wasn't a sporty seating position in that people carry a base. So yeah, it's mp. Sporty mpvs are so rare
But there's a bit of a there's a bit of a british theme to this. Yeah, and voxel isn't it? Well, yeah
And on that note it is time to end
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Sam
Anything you'd like to add before we next meet? I have an orange thing in my calendar
Which says clio mot ju that's for tomorrow actually so it's going to expire
My 182 clio has a remap has had for many many years
But the mot station I used to get a mot that you know, they were the perfectly legitimate establishment
But they were very friendly
I now have to use a new mot station that I've never used and I am terrified it's going to fail
Uh on remap based emissions. I don't know if it will but it has it does smell quite petrally on startup
So I will return here
And have an update on that did the clio pass did it not?
I guess we'll find out that's what we're going to find out. They're probably more exciting things as well than that
And we'll see you next Tuesday
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