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Hello, and welcome to this car, Pa. I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. There's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the news. Yes. My news story. Something exciting to begin with. So Lewis Hamilton is now driving for Ferrari. Now we knew he's driving for Ferrari, but this weekend in particular he officially started and he drove the Formula One car for the very first time. But he took an amazing set of photos at the factory, not with the newest Ferrari, not with the most cutting edge.

Great one, the F40. There's a lot of stuff I want to say about this picture. And I want to start with the fact that done even a little differently. It could have been like a subjective mockery. But instead you look at this and you're like,

Hey, this guy is going to come and beat everybody. This guy is going to show up and just run the table. Yes. Well, that's the hope. I've been a Ferrari fan for my entire life. I've been watching Formula One for 17 years or 18 years. And in that time, Ferrari has not won a world championship in 17 years of failure. And we got so close and they'd screwed up. But Lewis Hamilton, the most successful driver in history is now driving for the team. So like a lot of Ferrari fans have a lot of hope. Now I personally know Ferrari. And like,

I'm not so sure. I believe Lewis, but you understand what this picture is saying. Lewis is coming. I'm here by the degree that if you just described to this picture, you'd be like, that sounds really dumb. But then you look at it and you're like, Oh my God, don't kill my family. Lewis, please spare my children. Here's a dude's jacket in front of an F40 in front of a house. Like there was no attempt to do an impact. This is there. There was no attempt to do the picture in the dry or in the sun. And that's kind of fits with the

image. It's like, I've come to bring the thunder clouds. I also just absolutely love the fact that he chose the F40, which was obviously his choice.

Yes, Ferrari would have given anything to have their new star in front of the SF 90, which they're desperately trying to sell. And instead he's like, nah, I'm going to do a good one. I'm going to actually do a good one. Thanks so much, though.

Remember when you built great cars, this is going to go to the best of them. But nonetheless, it is very exciting. I am not as optimistic because Ferrari's biggest problem has

been their strategy. They get in their own way. And like, that's what has created their problems. The cars have been good. The drivers have been excellent. It's them. And so I am. I do wonder what they showed Lewis Hamilton to get him to leave Mercedes. I mean, Lewis has

nothing to create heroes, but he already made so much. It's not money. Yeah, but the prestige of driving for the brand is one thing, which in all form one driver's minds is

something you want to drive for Ferrari. But it's like, it is, yes, it is a quid. Yes, that all like playing for the market aren't, you know, one fans can I

ask you a question about Lewis? Sure. I don't know any about Formula One, but I've done cursory research on the topic. Lewis may be the most successful driver in history.

I personally can't verify because I don't know. However, seven world champion, however, he's 40 years old. Wow. And has it won a championship in five years.

So 20 was his last year. So I don't know how they count years, but that's five or four or some, some amount of years. So he's 40 in my world in the sports world, the world where we like the Yankees, Derek

Treater. Okay. He's a bread sucks fan. Yep. 40 is kind of starting to get Fernando Lanzo is older, I believe, and still races in the sport. Like Lewis, you get the point I'm making. Yeah, but

here's the thing about it's like LeBron James. LeBron James is also 40 and he's still a critical producer like on the lake. When Jordan was at his prime, he was like,

Jordan six, but Jordan was making baskets over everybody's head. I don't know if it's that technology has changed. These athletes take a lot better care of

themselves, but I mean, they do. It's it's very different now. But nonetheless, Lewis, I am very curious to see how he performs in the car. The other thing is that Lewis is not

someone who adapts to the cars, well, they adapt the cars to him, which Ferrari will do. But like when George Russell joined Mercedes, are you not a little bit anxious at the fact that like maybe they've gone after this guy who is this major legend,

and he's maybe a little on the other. Well, this is my, that's exactly what happened with Sebastian Vettel when he drove for Ferrari was that he won four world

championships, went to Ferrari and still did well, but he didn't win a championship. What happened to Vettel, by the way, he retired, but he's got to be younger than Lewis.

He is. I'm pretty sure he is. Lewis is out here. What a guy, but Sebastian on four Lewis one seven. Yeah, but when I was a kid, when I was a young adult, Sebastian won like every race.

Boom, Sebastian for season. Yeah, those were four informative seasons for Doug. Um, Lewis Hamilton, by the way, apparently he's a pretty good race car driver. And in this thing, he looks like a mafia,

pretty good. Honestly, is I think what they were going for and it works. And there's some Italy stuff that they're going on. However, his biggest claim to fame, I think we all agree is that his dad crashed a

career GT into the playground. Is that did do that. So they did do that. Well, it also uses week he has added his mother's made an

amp to his name. Okay, so the career GT crago, you, you were aware of the crash. I remember well, there was a playground. There was a career

GT. There was Lewis Hamilton's dad. Let's not focus on his dad's driving career. Let's focus on none. This is very big news. The Italian government actually sent a lot of police to hold back crowds to and stuff just because there's so much excitement around

this because you, although you aren't, weren't a hard high performance car. You can recognize that in Italy, they're like three religions basically in Ferrari's the second largest behind the Catholic church. Yeah, like, so it's, it's a huge, it's a huge deal. And I am very excited. My dad is a huge Lewis fan. And we for the first time ever

or route for the same team, which will be really cool because he's been from Mercedes Benz and or Red Bull and or no, Lewis is driven for two teams ever McLaren Mercedes. We don't know those. Honestly, I thought they're the same because they made the SLR. Remember the one with no roof. There was a time where they were. There was a time. Yes, and there's

separate teams and that's there was one room. I'm not talking about the roadster. All right, let's go. This is very big. We're all very excited. The formula once he's

ended about two days ago. It starts again about two days for now. So we will. Is how it feels? We will find out soon whether this picture he's really the mafia Don that he seems to be or if he's just a guy who's

going to make the prediction now. I think that this year won't be the year that matters. It will be next year when the formula changes because there's a huge update that comes and I think that's the technology for our showed him to get him

right now like a formula or what? That exists formula two. Do you think we can get him to race in a 40 in a race? Oh, man. Imagine if you have all the other formula one car. You know on the subject since we're talking about this, I

can't believe we didn't put this in a new stretch. Should we talk about the F40 situation this week? Oh crap. Yeah, we're some crashes that also involve formula on drivers. Formula four Ferrari F40, one of the great super cars of our generation. And by our generation, I mean, the previous to be honest.

How many did they make? But we don't like this 111. We don't like any super cars in our generation. So we're going to go back to the previous anyway. So one of them crashed in the UK. It was on a wet road a cold day and the driver floored it. It's being said that it was a mechanic driving whenever one of these things happens. It was always someone else driving, which I find interesting. Either that's because someone else doesn't know how to drive. You know, the last crash of an F40 was in a tunnel in Germany. Do you remember this? And it was someone driving a car from like mechatronic or something. Yeah, and that was one of their employees gas monkey garage of 40 saying.

The mechanic was driving the car. And so then the Lando Norris one. So so that happened. The car in the UK flips over. And supposedly it's the highest managed F40 in the world who knows. And then in Monaco footage has just appeared of Lando Norris, who's apparently another Formula one driver. We don't know. He's got an F40 and someone crashed it, but apparently not him again. But who knows? Spongebob. You should be bigger fan of him. He also he has some various years cars. A mirror crazy. He's my favorite F1 driver. It's got some good stuff. And I only because of the road cars.

He has and I know nothing about that. I've never seen him drive. He's a very good driver. So but anyway, F40s keep crashing. What's this? What are we going to do about this? Can it over to you? Well, don't floor it when the road is wet. Good start. You know, that was wild. So when I take my courage to get out, which has traction control, but not stability control. Even then I am incredibly careful when it's wet and cold. I drove it on Christmas Eve this year. And it was it had like missed it. And it was chilly. And I was very

cautious. And watching I would never never in a million watching that video. And the F40 with the dude floors it on a wet road. I'm sitting there like, you know, were you trying to. They have never. It's possible to explain the only time you can floor in F40 is when you're in fifth gear at low RPM. And the turbos aren't working. I think and even then I think you can floor one when when the tires are warmed up. My suspicion in the Lando crash just watching it is that the tires were cold. The car wasn't quite going straight, but you can see that he steps on it. And I

think my suspicion is that road is not that far to Monaco. The car didn't have enough time to warm up. Now the Lando car was not heavily damaged. I've actually seen pictures of it over the last month or so. Just driving around damaged. So I think the accident happened like a while ago. But my assumption is that in both cases, it was cold tires. The car is no aids. It might be an old car, but it's still for any horsepower. We will drive carbon. No driver rates. Yeah, I think the other thing to take it. So I mean, you learned your lesson earlier, like the 4 GT is kind of a hit. Almost wrecked the 4 GT.

Once probably six months into owning it on an on ramp, cold tires dead straight. I floored it and the car got the car got squirrely. And I barely, barely saved it. This is an orange counter. I think there are a couple of things to take into account. One is like you still have to show these cars a lot of respect. When it says there are no drivers, these people are like, Oh, it's so cool. It's like, no, that means there's nothing to help you. So you are at your own risk. Swim, you know, safely. The other thing I think is that it also showed, and you sent some other videos to our friend group that it shows how quickly. Yeah, that's a video in London. I think

is like the world changing video, because if you watch that, you can tell instantly just how fast. And that's a cold tire video. No question. So there's a bit of a guy in 812 super fast. You might be familiar with this car. Is it going straight on road London? Look like a cold London morning as they all are. And he gets on the throttle straight line steering was straight in the car. Just snap. And he's going maybe 40. Yeah. And it's ability control. Surely. I probably was something he probably was off is my guess. Yeah, maybe. However, the point is,

it can happen really fast. You got to with performance cars like that. You got to roll onto the throttle. You got to wait until the tires are worn. And you just have to be damn careful. And if you have any situation where you're able to like find an empty parking lot that's privately owned and do some figure out some limits. That day we did at at thermal was tremendous or wherever it was at Chuck Walla was tremendously instructive for me. I learned limits and non-level. The car actually the limits are actually further than I thought. I'm cautious because the cars are so valuable. But you can't this stuff.

Well, the other thing keep in mind. Landon North is a young form of the one driver. And he lost it. Well, maybe supposedly he wasn't driving allegedly, but even so the car is also no power. It's hard to correct. It's a big steering wheel. It's hard. There's a lot with an F40. You have to take into consideration the brakes aren't that great. Also, so it's a bad. So you just have to show these, especially the old cars. You really have to show them respect. So please drive your F40s carefully. Yeah, it's interesting. It can't lose. We can't lose the 40s. I'm not not looking for an F40. Man, look at that picture. If someone out there has a cheap F40, you call me.

I'm talking about the right one, maybe. Call me up. My number is 608. That's Philippa. All right. Look at me. Give us our next news strike. Can you? Can you? Can you is in a manufacturer of electric van vehicles, van type situations? You can see right here. Here's a, it looks like a Previa, but it doesn't look like one anymore because. Can you has filed for bankruptcy? Chapter set. Can you done? They don't have any funding. It's over. They've been done for like a couple years. We had hope. We didn't have hope.

We had dreams. We hope we wanted to believe, but it didn't stretch to the point of hope. Do you think it's perhaps their vehicle looks like something they keep a hamster? It's incredible. And they were there went. They also did a ton of work on autonomous driving. The thought for a while is that you can drive it at the direction. I think with something they claim at some point, because you didn't have a steering wheel. I think this thing is the coolest thing in the world. It's a shame that didn't work out. Why do all the cool EVs fail? And then we're stuck with the Volvo EX40. Well, the Ford doesn't exist yet.

They've read it in the EX40. You get my point. There's all these cool EV ideas situations. You and me have been waiting for our Faraday future. We've had a deposit in for quite some time. And instead, what we get is the base model Hyundai Aionic 5. I think there's two big reasons. One of the things that the people that are creating these, I think have a specific vision and are want to execute on that vision. And that's costly. Instead of just saying, hey, what components can I get?

The electric car has a lot of so that I'll come and review and succeeded. The second is cool as a Rivians. Cooler. The second piece is that I think sometimes when you want to do something that avant-garde, the market isn't quite there. The investors might not be there yet either. You're saying the markets are there for a progressive for a half window egg-shaped bus that I love dearly. But yeah, yeah, there's a little bit too much new there. I saw my first electric Volkswagen bus on the road the other day. Don't remember what it's called.

That buzz ID buzz. Yeah, I did a video on it. Well, I mean, call it what we want. We're going to call it the electric bus. You know what? Going forward, Akira, we get two things on the cloud. Akira is Akira. Yeah. And the Volkswagen electric bus is the Volkswagen electric bus. We got three. Let's make some shirts. All automatics are tips. All automatics are tips. Except we're going to call some DCT's. Just. Anyway, no, it's a BMW thing. Anyway, the point is,

um, I saw one of those ID bus, the great bus electrics took them five years longer. They said, how cool? That is the coolest thing in the world. It stands out. That car at 54 grand is the coolest thing in the world. You didn't because you'd never got to see it from the outside when you were driving around it. You were behind me once on the way to work. And it, it looks so cool. It is so cool. I've seen a couple on the road. Now they're also pretty common in Europe, although in Europe, they sell a cargo version with like steelies. And those are like what people are getting. And so it has this like, like psychedelic color scheme.

But it's a cargo van. It's steelies. It doesn't really work perfectly. But anyway, I love it when I want one. And so they're, they're $90 million. But I think they'll be 50 grand in about a year. Yeah. And that's when we buy. That's when you buy. Yeah. It's so Southern California. It's so Southern California. It's all one across 1500 miles. So the answer is we can't have a canoe, but we can have an ID bus. Who are ID buzz? Not all of that. The Volkswagen. Yeah. Electric Volkswagen bus. I wouldn't. Vokes bus. I don't know. It's too complicated. It's hard to

just be a startup brand. It's hard to sell a product that is maybe out of the mainstream. It's hard to finance that. And canoe is very sadly filled. Can you? Then again, sort of. That's good. And they didn't do any of that. Can you cannot. Okay. Next news story. That was all we needed. Okay. The Detroit Auto Show is going on right now. As you can see from the crowded show floor. It is. We're either aware of the Detroit Auto Show was happening. Genuinely. No, I had no idea. I knew, but only for one reason. I read an interview with the new Dodge Ram.

Tim Knesses. Yeah. Who's great. But the way I found out was I was reading that interview and said we talked to him on the floor. The Detroit Auto Show is like, all right. Yeah. So the Detroit Auto Show is going on right now. You'd be forgiven for not remembering. Thank you. It used to be that when the Detroit Auto Show happened, all the major debuts. It was like, oh, my first one. The second one there. The 2002 Chevy Trailblazer. Probably debuted at the Detroit Auto Show. We did a video on cars and bids recently going on looking at like these old. It was astonishing. The first auto show of the year that happened every year.

In January, because the theory was that it gave people something to do in the winter and Detroit. And then COVID head and auto shows are done. But this is not intended to entirely be a knock on the Detroit Auto Show specifically, which is technically called the American International Auto Show. Have you ever been? Yes. Yeah. In twice. But auto shows in general, which it's just over. They just are not. We talked about this with the CES, but like just generally I was astonished to remember. Oh, the Detroit Auto Show was happening. Right.

There was a time. This is 10 years ago, 15 years ago, when I could tell you when Chicago was coming up when the LA Auto Show was coming up, when Geneva was coming up. Yeah. Right. Yeah. New York was an April. Yeah, LA was in November. You knew the automakers specifically held debuts until they could show it at the auto show. They all fought for attention. And then there was like a winner of the day. Those are the days when you would go on whatever blog you preferred and you would get all the news of that. You know, if you if you go into the automotive media, people

Facebook group, they all talk wistfully about those days of your us too. I actually disagree. I think it's better now. It's it's better to have your round of views.

Way better to see it online, which we're already doing. It's way better flying to the auto shows was always a silly proposition. Getting content out of those.

Getting content in an auto show, especially in the world of video now where everybody wants to do a video with a new car that's being shown. And you only get six minutes

and people are milling around. I'm over it. I'm done. What we're doing is better, but it was an event. It was like a notable. And to be clear, I think the auto shows will still be events that people attend.

We I think it's still a great way to sample like 20 different cars if you're in the market. It's just that they're going to be regional dealer things and they're not going to be tied to automotive

I don't say it's how experienced the Cleveland auto show. That's all. When I was a kid, that's how the Denver auto show was. That's just that was just what it was. That's fun. There's a cool. I love them. But I like that. I do like that really cool stuff like still debuts it like the quail or Pebble Beach like that for the performance stuff that I like. Like that's really cool. But there are still some major events where they hold debuts for that's just because people happen already. Well, I think the targeted debuts like that will probably become more common like like at events such as the quail.

But the big auto show debuts are over and the fact that Detroit's happening right now is totally wild to me. I don't think the manufacturers have figured out they can if they do at an event like that or really that or the road event, they can control the entire narrative and they can control what else is getting released then. Yeah, if you released and go to the new Grand Votara and then the trailblazer comes out. No one's talking about the guitar. That's right. It's much smarter. There wasn't a grandmother that came out that year. It's much smarter to do at 99 was the Grand Votara. It's 9899. It's much smarter than the first

for that. Excel 7. Yeah, three I think, but but yeah, great car, great car. Actually, one of the worst cars on sale at the time. Okay, give us our next new story. Oh, Lexus RC gone. Okay, next next story. No, this is kind of sad. Is it our coups just done? Yeah. Okay. All right. We want to say four doors and our SUVs there. Yeah, that's true. Speaking of coups, here is a BMW manufactured in Germany, which has nothing.

Do you think the four series they built in South Carolina? I should have no clue with our, which has nothing to do with our new story, but our new story is about the president president.

We have a new president here in the United States of America. Same as a previous president. You brought him back. It's like when you get divorced, then you

re-marry the person again. I think that I think. All right. So, so believable. I do believe that tell us about the president. Yeah. So president

Trump was was inaugurated on Monday, the 20th. Still some confusion about whether he is the 45th or 47th president. I don't

understand that myself. He keeps saying he's 47th, but isn't he the 45th again? There's just happened with

five B. Didn't have him with Cleveland. There was another president for the president. The president has already been set

for the president. So what was he? What was he? I don't remember. I don't know. It's tough to figure out because Obama was

there for two terms, and he was just one president. Yes, this is it's the only time that you can point them. So Obama was

only one president, but Trump is two presidents. I don't get that. I don't get that. And then like the bushes were two

separate. They were different people. This is separate people. It's like the Q5 and the Q7. They're different.

The George W is the Q5 in this analogy. Oh, please, please take this back on to work. All right. He signed a bunch

of executive orders on his first day in office. One of the things that we expected him to sign an executive

order around that he hasn't yet is around tariffs. But on his first day, he did say that he was planning on doing

pretty substantial tariffs on a bunch of countries, including Canada and Mexico. The reason it becomes interesting for us

is there's a lot of manufacturers, a lot of vehicles manufactured in Canada and Mexico. Historically that there have been

great trade relations. There's no Atlantic free trade agreement. Well, there's a new maybe it was what I was

implanted by something that basically put right now. The result is that a lot of manufacturers have started building

cars for the US market in Canada and Mexico in Mexico for lower building costs in Canada. Because they can do for

some reason. Well, a lot there's a lot of union. There's a lot of union requirements about Canada. So this could be

very interesting. If there are 25% tariffs on those countries and they are broadly applied, which I

think seems unlikely. But let's say that they are broadly applied. That impacts vehicles, including the Dodge Charter,

the Silverado Anciera. Can you imagine if Charter then gets hit with it? Yeah, after all the crap that have already gone through,

it gets the Silverado and GMT Sierra. Those are both in Canada. Those are both in Canada. The Civic,

built in Canada. The CRV, built in Canada and India. The RAV4, built in Canada. I'm going to make you a little theory here.

If Trump had wanted to tear up those countries, he would have exactly have ordered it yesterday. And I have a suspicion that he's

going to, he could maybe still, if they don't do certain things. But I have a suspicion that there would just be such huge

flow back. Do you know how much stuff is made in Mexico and Canada? I can't pay more for my Dodge.

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What about for your, what about for your Chevy Equinox and Equinox TV, both of which are built in Mexico?

The problem with the Equinox TV is it's already 25% too expensive.

So if you put 25% tariff on it, it would be 50%.

I have a great vibe news. The QX55. The QX.

Infinity QX55. Where was that built in Mexico?

Really.

I'll go tell you this.

Listen, I'm going to tell you this.

Cannon and I buy cars.

Come on, Mexico.

Cannon and I, that's true.

Cannon and I buy cars.

I think I'm just kidding.

That are from the country and built in the country.

Oh, okay. My Ford GT. That's true. My Ford GT Ford is American.

Built in America.

GT. I will cover the GTI momentarily.

My Toyota Sequoia from Toyota, which is my opinion is kind of become an American automaker.

And it's built in Texas.

You know what I'm saying?

Exactly. Of course for the many Toyota vehicles like the RAV4.

Yeah, but I'm saying the ones we buy are assigned correctly in the country.

Where do you think the US sold BMW three series and two series models are built?

Do you have Mexico?

Yep. Is that true?

Yep.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

The M2.

The M2 is the only MBMW not to have an M-Vin because built in Mexico.

Oh, wow.

I don't believe it does.

Wow.

Yeah.

This is it.

Fascinating.

Anyway.

I got a lot of tariffs.

A lot more income.

He's going to tariff the M2.

Just because of the mine.

The big bump.

Yeah.

My guess is that they will not be applied.

As you're hinting at, probably unlikely to actually happen.

Also, if they do happen, I would not be shocked if they're limited in scope.

And don't apply to every vehicle.

It's like a strike.

But the fact that you don't know is a little concerning, I bet, for the manufacturers.

They're worried.

It's like a strike.

If you do it, you do it temporarily to try to drive a behavior.

I don't think he's going to just like sign a 25% tariff.

And then suddenly, that's a coma's on the floor.

For a month, you're just a coma will go from being unaffordable and ungetable to extra.

Where is the forerunner built?

I just drove a forerunner the other day.

And you know what?

I'm under embargo.

But.

Nice.

The forerunner is built in Japan at the moment.

Looked good.

Anyway, okay.

So that's the Trump situation.

Yes.

I want to be clear that there are potential impacts.

We don't get political here, except for the 45-47 thing.

Is that political?

I don't know.

What do the Republicans say?

What do the Democrats say?

I don't know.

What do the Americans say?

I need to know.

God.

Wow.

That's true.

That's exactly what it sounds like.

That was a question.

All right.

Anyway, it is a potential interesting thing

and we will keep our eyes peeled.

We will.

Is there any other news stories?

No, we're not talking about this.

How did you sneak this back in?

No.

We're not discussing.

Volvo's changing their naming and it's all very boring

and nobody cares.

Okay.

On our next segment, which is we talk about cars.

There is a lot of cars.

Non-news-related cars.

Things to talk about today.

The biggest of which is...

Filippo.

Yeah.

Yes.

We bow down to you, Filippo.

I bought a car that's built in Germany.

You bought a Volkswagen GTI.

Yep.

2023.

You bought it on carsandbids.com.

The greatest car auction platform on the world.

Wide web.

Internet.

Oh my.

Get the app.

Did you buy it on the app?

Just wait a second.

Okay, go ahead.

Did you buy it on the app?

I did.

I was sitting in a car.

Did that fact?

Actually, in the Mercedes 500 SEC, that's a nonsense.

After all, they're talking up the app.

I'm actually bought a car on the app.

Peter Internet.

He only did it on the app.

No.

It's through that.

I was competing on my computer.

It was very convenient to have the app out.

I bet I got it.

How convenient is it to just be able to bid for a poll right on the cars and bids app?

Or a big, grategoristic question.

You bid on the car.

I'll have that picture.

Is that an influencer, decision to bid off?

No, not at all.

I'll have it.

Okay, Shia.

Okay, the car is in Seattle.

Of course it has water in it.

I know.

Nothing's been dry in Seattle since since October 4th, but Columbus Day was the last person who's dry in Seattle.

Why would that bother me, Kenan?

We don't like to have what pictures do.

No, I know why would that bother me, as it is.

Oh, you probably know.

Me, right behind you.

Okay, I bought that car on Christmas, I bid and won on a Tuesday.

On a Tuesday.

I leave the cars a bit safer to handle the actual payment and transaction, which made it really easy.

And then on Friday morning of that week, my wife and I flew up to Seattle,

the seller of this car, who's for the very kind, pleasant person, picked us up at the airport.

We dropped Rafa at her house and went on our merry way.

So was the car as described?

Yeah.

Was the car, does the car drive as you hope?

It drives actually better than I thought it was.

Really?

Because you never driven one of these before, I'm sorry.

I've never driven one of these before.

I've never driven one of these before, I've never driven one of these before.

I did watch every video yours included.

And read all the reviews both before and after bidding.

He says it was surprised.

This was pre-meditated.

No, he knew what he was.

This was what he really wanted.

I watched all the reviews well after I'd already committed to back this car.

So you drove it 2,000 kilometers home.

What was it?

What was it like?

You liked that?

It's easier to paint.

I want to speak in language.

Key, let me, three.

Yeah.

What was it like?

It was legitimately excellent.

Very comfortable, very quiet and composed on the highway.

Easy to drive long distances.

It was legitimately.

Not any, maybe a little bit less comfortable than my Mercedes D-Class wagon.

Yeah.

But not by much.

Well, it's a much newer car.

I mean, I never thought to be honest with you.

And I love your E-Wagon.

I'm thrilled you have.

You hated the W212.

I never felt the 212 was as comfortable as it should have been.

The 213 was like the difference between the stone age and like

when Bill Gates and Al Gore conspired to invent the calculator.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, it was that level of...

Right.

You're trying to, you're thinking, did that happen?

I don't know.

No.

Look it up.

Um, we'll go.

Uh, no, but it was a stone age.

I really, I guess.

Did a little vlog while driving home

that really filmed, turned around in the passenger seat?

Did you?

Yeah, so you'll see that on the way to the channel soon.

Maybe, uh, and then I'll do a full review

after we've driven it longer.

But regardless of all this, I'm glad you have the car.

I appreciate it.

I'm glad you use cars and bids in the cars and bids app.

Yeah, cars and bids safe pay.

Yep.

I want to talk more importantly though

about what this means for the community.

Right.

Canon and I have been...

Not, I wouldn't say harsh.

I would say harsh.

I would say incredibly, incredibly stern.

And mean, I would, I wouldn't say,

about the fact insistent.

But now you have a car.

Now have a car.

So what do you, do you have,

like, are you going to throw this back in our faces?

Right.

I mean, I have a car that has the same amount of torque

as the 99711.

That's so...

He's been saying, since he bought this car,

he keeps talking about how it is to say,

because he, here's the thing,

Philippe won the sports car so bad.

He's been talking sports car Corvette 911.

Boxer came and I, this, that.

And he ends up with a four-door hatchback,

because it's Philippe won.

He's more like the same car as one of those cars.

And so all he's been talking about

is how it has the same torque as a 997.1,

a 20-year-old car.

I bet it's got more torque than a 250 GT.

Oh, two!

If you're really, like, at it.

I should start saying that.

But yeah, check it out.

I love also the use.

It's you're just insistent.

It is a sport car.

What is the 250 GT?

Yeah, the 250 GTO here it says,

it's only two 17 pound feet.

Wow.

Wow, wow.

That's three hundred and 80-ish horsepower or something.

Uh, three hundred horsepower.

More than mine.

Three hundred horsepower, two 17 pound feet.

If you told me that,

I'd be like, is that a base payment you're talking about?

No, no, it's the one great car of all time.

It's always as much as a potato chip.

That's true pretty quick.

I don't expect that you all will stop

giving me crap from my car branch purchases.

We will.

I don't expect that, but I'm very excited about this car.

I also am very excited about my,

I have a goal of any sports car that I buy,

or any car that I buy, period

to be a car that my wife also enjoys driving.

And she was not, she was okay with this,

but not that excited about it.

But she actually really likes the car.

This morning, she was going to, to go row on some water,

uh, 20 minutes away.

And she took that car,

and she's never taking the fiat to do so.

So I'm like, the generally very happy that she is,

that she has liked this car enough.

Wow.

That it becomes her default choice.

But she likes the fiat.

So she says, okay,

I've seen her drive around.

She doesn't see me.

The point is, the point is,

the point is, the point is, the point is,

the bleepo's got a car.

He did it.

I did not only do it.

He did it on the car.

Like, he did everything.

He did it on the car.

And so now the tables turn.

I bought two.

Kenneth, who has been talking about buying a car

as long as you have,

but for some reason,

has he avoided some of the vitriol?

But now, I'm getting vitriol.

Well, because that's one of the most exciting.

Like, when I say I owned a sports car, I did.

I had a Ferrari.

You also want to buy a Vantage.

And at some point, a Viper.

Yeah, I accomplished a light.

You had an Italian roadster

with a manual transmission.

Yeah, I accomplished a lifelong dream.

He bought a car that happened to be down the street.

I mean, like that was different.

It was in the city.

It was a 30-minute way.

He spent $8,600 on that car.

I spent $8,600 on that car.

That was, he had to go to the ATMs six times together.

You got it.

You got to be done.

The beauty of cars in the safe path, you have to do that.

Okay.

God, you're a company man.

Okay, yes.

Tell us your situation.

Can an instinct about a car?

So I am, yes.

The hunt for the cayenne has begun.

Can an once a cayenne?

You want a few other cayenne.

One of the other cayenne.

I do not.

Not one that's a phenomenon by you.

I mean, it was not nice to ask.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

That'll be fine when it goes live on this side.

We'll clean it up.

I'll make sure it looks nice.

But, yes, I very much want a cayenne.

I drove around the cayenne turbo.

And I started, I was like,

you have a point.

Doug was right.

I needed a cayenne turbo.

It's a favorite word.

So I started looking.

However, I did not realize that I don't know if it's they've swum,

they've left this country and gone to others or what.

They are not many around in anything that resembles an appealing spec.

If you want a black one with a black interior, they're fine.

Part of the problem was they were all black.

I was, so I was that portion of the car came out

and I remember the whole thing vividly.

The 9-2-A.

9-2-A.

Um, the 9-5-8, yeah.

No, the 9-2-A.

The 9-5-8, yeah.

It's the 9-2-A.

So do you think it's on rent list?

The worst kind of it is.

You just have named the car the 9-5-8.

But it's the 9-2-A.

Anyway, so you're looking for one.

Now, we talked yesterday about potentially getting off the turbo

and going on to a lesser but still excellent.

I'm a big fan of the V6.

I'm dead serious.

I'm a big fan of V6.

So yeah, so my use case really is to drive this car

in rare, including whether in San Diego,

to drive it through ruts, to drive it to places.

I don't want to park the M5 and drive it to work.

Do I really need the 500 horsepower turbo to do it?

It's like, I would like the 500 horsepower turbo to do that,

but I don't need it necessarily.

If you don't have it though, that opens you up to some issues.

What, from you?

Making fun of me?

Not me at all.

Not me in some, but like others.

Him, the commenters.

It's a part of the power that I do.

That would be great.

How much power do you have?

No, the V6 kind of looks at me.

What if you see 270 or something?

I have 240 horsepower.

The original V6 kind had less than that.

Yes, I don't want that.

No, but the 958 has 300 horsepower.

So I started looking at GTSs and started looking at it,

and it's like, there are more around,

but it's just finding the right.

I care more.

You also level me that I should be looking for

condition as opposed to mileage and these sorts of things.

So I don't know, I started to explore

maybe not getting a turbo, but just getting a nice kind.

A 9-2-A-S early.

I mean, the pre and post phase of cars both,

I think looked okay.

I prefer the pre, but most people prefer the post.

But the S was a good, it was a V8.

Initially, it was 400 horsepower.

So I don't know after the facelift how much power it had.

Maybe a little bit more.

More, I think 420 is what it went up to.

So that's a pretty healthy figure.

Yeah, I mean, I actually was very fond of it.

420 horsepower, I think 400-7 foot pounds of torque.

You know what you do?

You get an S because then you'd have two cars

with a 4.9 liter V8 with 400 horsepower.

Well, I think the facelift, as I'm sorry,

went to a V6 and it's not a V8.

Okay, so you've got to get a first gen.

And it's a 4.8, but in your car, they call it a 5.0.

In neither case it is.

It's 4.9 for you.

We're going to, that's where we're going to average it.

And exactly 400 horsepower is German.

They were made for the BMW.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

You get the point.

400 PS.

But yeah, it's not.

What are you, Cadillac?

I don't know.

I'm not opposed to getting this, like, this model.

It's just some kind of results here.

What do we got?

We sell these things?

We sell a lot.

I think we actually do call them all nice.

Just type in, just type in kind of S.

I just want to, most of them will be that model you're looking for.

The one right now, the first gen.

What do we got?

That's the first gen.

That's a 24.

Okay, I'm wrong.

All right, it's 118 for 18 grand.

18, yeah, so it's a V6.

You're right in that facelift.

But here, 7100.

I do a hundred bucks.

Let me tell you something.

There you go.

He doesn't click on anything.

It's not worth 174, though.

Yeah, but dude, for seven grand.

Great wheels, though.

One interior.

How much rusted this thing have to sell for only seven grand?

I want this car.

Can I have this car?

Called 958 internally.

Not true.

I'm going to update that.

Go back.

There's one other one right before them.

That's all for 1310.

Yeah, yeah, that one.

That's the one to get.

Yeah, that one is pretty nice.

I hate the base wheels.

Those are the S wheels to be clear.

But they're the base of the race.

Oh, right.

The base of the race.

Scroll down how many miles?

Oh, this was the car that was in Reno.

Dude, you could have done a Reno road trip.

That's like one of the great bad road trips

from Reno to Southern California.

That is a great bad trip.

The last part is okay.

No, you're in the part where you're in traffic.

Yep.

I'm kidding.

This was you.

Call the guy who bought this in time.

You'll give him 1,000 over.

It even has brown seatbelts for God knows what reason.

It looked like it.

Go back together.

It was the angle.

Go back more.

That.

No, that's just right.

You're right.

But my point stands like,

I think I just have to find the right.

The other thing you told me is like with the turbo,

like you will spend as much as this car costs.

Knowing you can record a video yesterday saying

he wouldn't spend a lot on it.

Yes, that's because the goal is not to.

The goal is to not.

The goal is to I've done my thing with the M5

in terms of spending the money on it.

I'm good.

I just want to like not spend money on cars.

I'm going to spend money on watches instead

but I don't want to spend money on cars.

That kind we just saw was like the one.

I agree.

And to be honest,

finding one in silver.

Very difficult.

Yeah.

Finding one with good wheels,

which in my opinion this one does not have very difficult.

Finding one that has.

I like the wheels are subtle.

I found I did find a facelift car

that has a full leather interior.

Very difficult on the non.

Full leather is easier on the turbos.

Well, I think there was standard on the turbos.

I think there was standard on the turbos.

The GTS it wasn't.

Go back and have it.

Why does it matter for this purpose?

Because I still,

Philippa, I like driving a nice car,

even if it's just like a commuter car.

It's still a nice car.

Would you even consider a nice Kia rear?

A nice 9 P.A.?

No, I don't think so.

I love a 9 P.A. interior.

Plus heavy steering.

Thank God.

I appreciate how hard you're trying to.

It's just too old.

It's the same stick.

They're right.

It's just too old.

Like the M4.

I've dated an older car for a long time now.

Yeah, I'm pretty ready.

No, that had some sort of that.

I do consider the E hybrid,

but the issue is I don't have someone to charge my car.

And also the battery does add complication

and it does have failure points.

The original E,

the original hybrid was not a plug-in.

So you could get that.

That was the Super V6 from the Audi S4.

But still had the issues with the battery.

The facelift one was a plug-in.

But it is 420 horsepower.

The first one only had what?

Three, maybe 400?

It was a kind of S.

I love the kind of plug-in hybrid.

And I know the kind of says that there's some battery issues.

Yeah, but like fine.

Yeah, but the battery's 5 grand or a place

is not 5 grand.

That one doesn't always have some problems.

That one too.

They're in the corner.

Look at that.

You don't want black.

No, that's one of your problems.

The big thing I do know about this one,

yeah, this one has 117.

The one in Nevada was the one.

Yeah.

You got to buy that car.

We got to invalidate that dude's transaction.

And you come in there and buy it.

Not that it will happen.

Well, I'll find one eventually.

But I am looking like I have my friend Sam.

Sam, Sam, this amazing red one today.

Red GTS, our friend Sam.

Listing disappeared.

Guys must have sold it.

Oh, really?

Strong number he wanted.

Like I wanted for that.

He ordered all the money for the miles.

I saw it.

But they had a lot of serious documentation.

And just had the transfer case replaced and all that stuff.

I think there's a reality that you will find a car.

You'll come across the right one and frankly soon.

When we were looking for the kind turbo

that Doug would drive in the Desert Series,

we bought that car in a week.

That spec is unusual.

But the thing is that unusual cars come up,

just if you wait a couple weeks, the likelihood that one does.

Well, I mean, I don't look in.

I mean, they did, Bob.

I've been looking.

And like, they're not as around as I would have thought.

Yeah, before explaining to S and GTS,

and even SIX, you'll find one you like.

I'm telling you, SIX is better than you think.

I love to drive one.

It's slow, but it's better than you think.

And it's just like competent.

But I think I love it.

I used to TOROS 6-cylinder kines.

Basically, everywhere I would go, I'd TOROS 6-cylinder kines.

Didn't matter if G wagons were available,

didn't matter if what, I would get a 6-cylinder kines.

Because the thing I loved about it was,

it was super under the radar.

It was more comfortable than the big wheel turbos.

And it was just like enough.

And I like to just like cruise around on the New Jersey

Turnpike in my 6-cylinder kines.

No one knew it was me.

And I drive my cars and everybody's like,

oh, it's Doug, it's Doug.

But the kines, you could just sit there

in your 6-cylinder kines being like,

this could be my life.

I could have been just a suburban dad with a desk job.

You know what?

Pretty appealing, actually.

Most of the time, not that we're not on the same level

at all.

But when I drive around the M5, I get recognized

and it way more than I do when I'm just wandering around.

I bet you, if you had a nice 6-cylinder kines,

nobody would say anything.

It'd be kind of nice.

But nonetheless, it's like, I think that, I don't know.

I have to feel it out with my soul all the way

when I see it.

OK, that is happening.

If you have a Cayenne S 2012 silver with 79,000 miles

that you bought from our solar neuroma,

you still want to charge a 9-2A specific grid.

OK, another car's thing.

The Ferrari 12-cylinder has been revealed.

It's out.

People are getting them.

They're like, out, out, right?

I don't think they're in the states yet.

No, I don't think so.

But they're in Europe.

They're on sale.

And I have some interesting thoughts

about modern day Ferrari.

Oh, I'm sure.

The 12-cylinder is not selling well.

Really?

Already.

There are threads all over Ferrari chat

about guys being like, I bought one Ferrari

and they offered me a 12-cylinder.

That's the thing one.

Well, thing two was the one that Ferrari bought.

That's two days.

You won.

Oh, yeah.

By the way, the Ferrari was an Enzo.

The Ferrari was a short wheel base.

I don't think someone legitimately,

I don't think somebody bought a Roma spider.

There's a guy posting on Ferrari chat

who's like, I bought an F12 and an F12.

And that was it.

And I got off of it.

Well, yeah, that's V12, V12, V12.

The most expensive car they make

from the normal production range.

It's two cars.

It used to be a little different.

Yeah, one of those.

When I was working at the Ferrari dealer,

you wanted a 599.

First off, you weren't getting one.

But there were people who were getting them.

And they, no, I mean, that's a general statement.

Like if you were inquiring about it,

you were not going to be getting one.

Like, I don't know.

Things are different.

That's 12-cylinder.

That's 12-cylinder problem number one.

12-cylinder problem number two.

There was like a 10-page thread on Ferrari chat right now

about people turning down their 12-cylinder allocations

because prices are so high.

And options are so high.

And because they keep getting destroyed on depreciation.

One guy calculated how much money

he's had to lose on BS cars in order to get the good cars.

And he's like barely breaking even.

And even then, the dealers not offering him

the really good stuff.

Well, yeah.

So here's actually a buoyant video

talking about this recently.

How there are so many qualified people who can afford

to buy the big stuff now.

It's like if you, as a newer person,

want to jump in front of them, like.

Well, but how do you?

But do you understand the problem?

OK, so the last thing I want to say is,

there's a 22-page thread on Ferrari chat

about SF90 depreciation.

Well, yeah.

It's the most recent page people,

like these are about to close into the threes.

And then guys are applying wholesale ARDR.

And guys are applying in Europe ARDR.

Threes.

Yeah?

What's his name?

David Lee, who I went up at his car in 850-sicker.

Threes.

I was two years ago.

What I'm saying is, and so you're right,

there's a ton of qualified people who can do it.

And so Ferrari has to figure out another way to qualify people

to get them into the high-value stuff,

so they don't feel so bad about losing money.

But the problem is they can't get,

if they're trying to shove all these SF90s down people's

throats, and then they all lose 300 grand,

it used to be, oh, I don't care if I lose 300 grand

on SF90, because they'll give me an SP3.

They don't have enough.

They don't have enough SP3s.

And so my question is, has Ferrari lost its cluster?

By the way, 296 is a red stickware below used.

Yeah, of course it's two years old.

That was not the case.

The last time used mid-engine Ferrari's

were below sticker, was probably 355.

360 is where that whole waiting list

would be BS game stuff stuff.

Three five, well, don't forget, three five five of the F1,

it was one of the hottest cars.

You get my point though, we're talking about decades.

This is a new world for Ferrari.

How many more, how many cars does Ferrari sell last year?

I don't know, they're selling a ton more cars.

People are flipping back their SUVs because those are making money.

But this is a dangerous game for Ferrari

to play.

I know.

I've been worried about this day for a long time.

OK.

If you force down SF90s down people's throats,

and you force Romas down people's throats,

you have to give them the supercars.

But the problem is the value may want

to do in SF90s and Romas in 12 cylinders in pure songs

is not going to be enough to be counteracted by the SP3s.

So then the rich people are going to start

bailing on the SF90s.

They're going to sit there and I'm going to say,

I don't want to be part of this SF90s stuff.

If I'm not going to get an SP3 and Ferrari

then has to actually try to sell these cars.

And that's a tough wall game.

And I bet you that you could buy an SF90

below sticker new at dealerships right now.

Yeah, for sure.

Meanwhile, that's mean-wise.

Wait, it's like we don't have a pin out of production.

No, SF90, they're still desperately

trying to shove them down people's throats.

Meanwhile, this is the last point I'm going to make.

Revuelto, sold out for years.

Porsche, high end Porsche products, sold out for years.

I never thought I would see the day when Ferrari would lose

what it has had for 30 years.

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It's a, yeah, it is interesting.

I'd like to monitor it and see what happens.

I don't think they're there yet.

I still think it's the stronger brand compared

to Lamborghini and Porsche.

But you see what's happening.

You see what's happening as lovely as this car is.

And my god, is it lovely?

Here's the thing.

I think that we are much more of a global market

than we once were.

And that's notable for two reasons.

One is, first, let's talk about Ferrari sales.

In 2004, per good car, bad car.net,

which is one of my favorite sites.

Yeah, how many they sell?

In 2004, they sold 1,100 cars in the US, 1,200 cars in the US.

In 2022, they sold 5,000 cars in the US.

I mean, yeah, it's a major, but that means

that they as a company are making money

that they weren't making before, which is important.

The second element is somebody like Porsche

doing really, really well in the US market.

They, their sales were down to something like 28%

in China last year.

You're over here.

He slipped in the China, I think.

I told him not to.

Because it's an important note, right?

Like, just because in the US, they're really hot.

I mean, they are in an all market.

Well, Ferrari still has some brain capacity.

This Ferrari situation is going on everywhere.

And you know what part of this is?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Are their sales, are they struggling to sell cars?

I wouldn't say anybody's struggling.

Like, they're going to sell these cars.

However, part of the reason that Ferrari has been so successful

over the last decades is because people knew

that they could keep retained value in these cars.

And what Ferrari has started to do

is jack up the price like crazy.

Do you know what?

It's 12 cylinders, $100,000 more than an 812, $100,000 more.

Think about that.

So Ferrari's stealing more and more of the money

for themselves.

And that money is on the use market depreciating.

Suddenly, people don't want to go down that road.

And they look at Revolto.

And they say, why is this BS car from Lamborghini

tractor manufacturer keeping its value?

Revolto's just selling over.

That's an interesting point.

I think you have two options if you're

a company for us.

This is it.

One is to continue to go after that same market

that you're describing where you are making an incredibly

hard to buy a car, but then your value

as a brand in the secondary market remains really high.

And the second is to do what they're doing now, which

is kind of give some of that up but make money now.

Maybe.

And there are downsides.

If there comes a day where there are

Ferrari's sitting on dealer lots, unsolved,

the brand changes.

The brand changes.

If I could go to a Ferrari dealer

and they got two 12-cylindries not spoken for sitting there

and five pure songways not spoken for.

And two Romas and a Roma spider.

And you're like, you know, this is Mazzarotti.

It's a small little like Mazzarotti.

Yeah.

They got to be more careful than I can even begin

to describe.

They became a public company.

I don't want to say they're greedy.

I would have done the same thing, but they

have to start being careful because you're

in a situation here where your flagship cars are not

selling, where you don't have enough of the true crazy

flagship cars to keep people quiet.

It's going to be a tough situation for the brand.

Bring back to look into Mazzarotti.

Some of us feel.

What's their new hypercar called?

The F80.

And it's going to be cool.

Not to be confused with the BMW.

Right.

How many units of F80 are they making?

It's got a thousand.

That's a whole making 799.

OK, so they'll make a thousand.

So they'll make a thousand.

Yeah, because they'll do a convertible too.

They'll do a convertible.

799 is their number of F80.

That means they're going to make a thousand because they'd lie.

And then they're going to do a convertible

to make another 500.

They're going to make 2,000 F80s.

That's going to be around.

They have to in order to solve the problem

that they've themselves have developed.

I just think the whole situation is getting a little bit

scary.

If I were Ferrari, I would start to get a little bit nervous

because the cache of this brand is the whole game.

Well, the fact that you can't get one.

And that's the whole game.

And if you can get one, and you're going

to lose a ton of money, the game changes.

Well, and they've lost the definition

of their product lines, too.

It starts to get cluttered because there's

so many different models.

Now, it's like, so the six-hander, which is also an issue

when you become a public company,

and you want to maximize your sales and your resume,

you've got to make more cars, but you're right.

But it's like the 2.96 is now what the V8 line was,

but it's not a V8 anymore.

And the 2.96 and the SF90 in my opinion

are for most people indistinguishable.

Right, then there's the Roma, the Roma spider.

And it's like, it's very dangerous there.

Meanwhile, Porsche is selling 911 STs to a small number

of people at Sticker.

Meanwhile, Porsche makes all these Macons and clients.

Porsche has made this unbelievable transformation

where they can sell boring BS cars at least payment

specials to randoms, to Dennis and realtors.

And it's fine because they have this high end.

Ferrari may have to do that.

Ferrari may have to go down and dip into that market,

so that's where they can get their revenue

and their big sales numbers, et cetera,

while keeping the sports car market small.

It can be done.

Porsche is proven that their brand is stronger than ever

while still selling more cars than ever.

But Ferrari's in an interesting situation

that is not, in my opinion, great.

It'll back to that first one.

Oh, the Lewis in that 40.

When on Sunday, sell on Monday?

When on Sunday, sell on Monday.

We'll see if that's true.

We'll see.

Man, what a car that was.

You get my point.

I do.

It's an interesting situation.

Luckily for me, the only cars I really love

are the old ones.

I think that is also a problem.

I think a lot of enthusiasts would actually

prefer some of the stuff about the old cars.

The new cars have become convoluted.

They're tremendously expensive.

And by the way, old cars, new cars,

we're now talking about used cars at 8.12.

So a lot of people in the 12-cylindry threads on Ferrari

chatter are like, I'm just keeping my 12.

It's got the same engine, the same power,

and it sounds better because it doesn't have

to be exhaust-restricted.

And by the way, a new 12-cylindry is $150,000.

If I trade it in, I've got to put another $150,000

for the same car, which isn't really that good-looking.

It doesn't look better.

Right, that's the issue.

So even the old cars, now we're starting

to talk about cars like the 458 and the F8

as old cars which are under warranty, drive great, sound great.

Any 458's on the one?

You get my point.

Yeah, I do get your point.

Well, buy old Ferrari's.

This is the A, maybe.

Or it was maybe the beginning.

Anyway, I'm never getting a Ferrari press car again,

but I only ever got two.

Oh, what did you get?

I had a 296 that I had a GTC4 Lusso years ago

and I curved the wheel.

I've only curved four press car wheels,

and I was one of those bad situations.

Next up, time for the market report.

The market report brought to you by the Cars and Bids app,

where Filippo buys his car.

Yes.

That's true.

Let's talk 750s.

It's an early market report topic for the day

because we're getting on into questions.

750s.

We sold a 750s this week.

Sold a 750s for 298.

What was the sticker on this car?

I bought a 370.

370?

Let's see.

370s.

How many miles?

10,000 miles.

So 10,000 miles, it costs 75 grand.

That's actually not as bad as I would expect.

Is that bad?

Is that not bad?

I mean, this is McLaren's newest.

Newest.

Yeah.

Brand car.

The 750s replaced some plate.

It isn't Idaho.

I think there's a component of this.

Anybody buying this was shipping it.

By the way, this was, we looked at a bunch of comps.

And comps are?

This actually was a good result.

Look at that.

What a license plate.

That is lovely.

That's a great place.

Absolutely.

There's a dog and a cat too.

Golden rich.

The plates as pet friendly.

That's so friendly.

This is a strong result in the 750 market.

Really?

Apparently.

That feels like a lot of depreciation.

At the same time, it doesn't feel like that much depreciation.

Well, I don't know.

That makes sense to me.

It feels like a lot of depreciation generally, but not for a McLaren.

It's in a user situation also because he drove it 10,000 miles.

These cars are not that, usually you see 720s coming to the market with 4,000 miles.

This is 750s.

Car's only a year old's already got 10,000 miles.

So frankly, I think you should be happy that he drove it and got it.

I mean, it's going to lose value no matter what.

You might as well drive it.

Especially in the 750s world where they lose pretty quick.

It's notable.

I literally don't know.

I don't know.

This is the first 750s that I've seen.

How many 720s is we sold?

Not too many.

I don't know.

Oh, 728.

The 720s is further.

We found.

So there you go.

260 for a 720s of 21 to 7,000 miles.

So the 298.

I mean, I don't think the market's going to distinguish between the 750s and the 720s.

They look visually.

I certainly can't.

They look exactly the same.

And they drive the same, by the way.

We found 750s is asking.

So like add dealers that have been sitting for a couple months asking in the mid 300s.

Mid 30s with no real miles.

Yeah.

So it makes sense.

Like for like a no mile card to be the asking about three for two months.

Yeah.

But it's just got to be one of the first public auction results.

Yeah.

They just came out.

28 with some miles on it.

I would be happy.

I would too.

Given what I know these cars depreciate like.

I would be pretty happy that I got 10,000 miles and still was able to get out of it.

After a year, you're going to have really shows how far or not, how much not in that world then.

Yeah.

75 grams of a lot of money to lose for a normal person.

Then again, I'm impressed to do drove a 10,000 miles in a year.

In a sense of yesterday.

I know.

Well, he's and I know he's driving from Nampada, Boise.

What a card to do it in.

Yeah.

It'd be cool with it with a golden retriever license.

Well, that's so cute.

Why can't California have a golden retriever license plate?

We have the pet license plate.

We have Pierce Brosden.

Pierce Brosden designed a license plate to promote people spaying and neutering their pets.

Okay.

I want to move on.

We got it.

We'll do a bit longer market report next week because there's a lot more to say.

Yes.

But I want to move on to questions because we have great questions and I love when our audience asks us questions.

Now, remember, you too can ask us questions.

If you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab and there'll be a giant post with Kenan's face on it and by Kenan's, I mean mine.

And you can ask your questions.

Okay.

Yep.

And we'll answer them.

So, first question from Minnesota Joe.

What's the story behind the VW, behind the Subaru Sandbar, VW Tribute van that you pulled from cars and bids?

Did VW send a cease and desist where they're going to have that one destroyed?

Okay.

Let me tell you the story.

I'll tell you the story.

It's not good.

It's not interesting.

A couple of weeks ago on the pod, we had some issue where there was a VW, there was a Subaru Sandbar that someone converted to look like a VW bus.

Yeah.

And I wanted to, like, tell the whole story.

And flip was like, you can't tell the story.

The story is not sandbar.

Sandbar.

Oh, what a Kenan.

With an M as in.

With an M.

Yeah.

And Flip was said, you can't tell the story.

Where it was actually sandbar.

Maybe it was sandbar.

It was like a VW bus.

And Flip was said, you can't tell the story.

I don't remember what exactly the van.

Nobody else over there.

What was it?

Suzuki of some kind, maybe.

I'm going to look for it.

You keep talking.

Anyway, the point is, we didn't sell the van.

We had to pull the auction because VW did send a cease and desist.

VW is very carefully going after the trademarks on these VW bus think van things

because it was a Subaru.

It was a Dats.

They're very carefully going after the trademarks on these VW bus things.

And rightfully so, because they're now coming out with a new one.

And if they don't go after these trademarks, it opens up the ability for

aftermarket companies to make these.

And it would, given that they have a vehicle out that looks like this,

they're very aggressively trying to stop that.

Anyway, I thought there was going to be more to the story.

But all that happened is I sent a cease and desist.

We took the auction out.

There was nothing more that happened.

So that's that.

All right.

I mean, is there anything else to say?

No way.

Did anybody have a feel about answering that question?

Sorry, one second.

Well, it wasn't.

I mean, I don't think it's that interesting.

And to be honest, I don't want to say that I'm in Volkswagen's camp on this.

But a lot of times it's annoying you.

An automaker sent cease and desist for old products.

For people who are doing stuff to old products.

Some automakers are known for doing this.

However, because Volkswagen has a brand new version of this,

people don't, a lot of people who complain about the stuff

don't understand trademark law works.

If you don't go after keeping your trademark,

you will lose it.

The trademark courts will basically say,

look, you had all these opportunities to go after to keep your trademark.

You didn't.

So it's, you're gone.

It's gone now.

And this is such a cultural icon that you could see Volkswagen losing

this trademark if they didn't go after it.

And so they're careful with that.

So we're not going to run more Volkswagen bus local light things.

And, um, and I think that if you try to sell them,

you might see action from Volkswagen because they're,

they're desperately trying to market their own version of this car now.

That glossed by the way $70,000.

This would have been six.

That's, that's potentially scary for especially just because

there's a large culture in Japan modifying this look exactly like.

Yes.

Which is fascinating.

Which has its own.

Which is the law.

Japan must not have a similar trademark law because if they did Volkswagen

would have gone after it there and put it into stock.

I will say part of our decision to pull it was ultimately not on the

story on the merit of Volkswagen seats in the SIS.

I don't know.

It hasn't been tested in the court specifically.

There's some very fair question about whether or not that is actually an infringement.

But also because we didn't want to put the buyer in that situation.

Yeah.

Our real, our real fear was that the buyer, if they bought the car,

Volkswagen would come after the buyer.

And we, it's generally when that happens.

We just want to avoid any problems for buyer or sellers.

And we decided, okay.

Well, yeah.

Not transacting at all is a better solution.

You obviously wasn't that a different story.

I wish it was more interesting.

All right.

Next question from Rip Stick.

How do your spouses slash SO feel about your automotive passion?

Have they ever vetoed a car that you wanted to buy or hated a car that you've owned?

Kenan, how does Emily feel?

I mean, she's got an M3CR.

She's got a much cooler car than I do.

Like the sectional Emily.

Um, Filippo, how does your spouse feel about your own?

She does not share the passion, but she's very supportive of that.

And I think in places where I'm excited about, I'm never that excited about a car.

The GTI is the most excited I've been about a car, but she's very supportive of that.

On the way home, she actually told me that I should still consider buying a Corvette or something similar.

If I felt compelled to.

Oh, I'm lovely.

It was very comfortable.

So she got in the car and she was like, oh, Filippo, you know, just so you didn't know.

Now that I'm in the car and I'm seeing how much of a compromise this was,

you could still have fun.

Yeah.

I think that part of this comes down to, I don't make irresponsible decisions around cars.

Uh-huh.

Maybe I should be more irresponsible.

But Jess is, my wife is incredibly supportive of that and the hobby.

I think it partially because it's not.

It's a passion, but it's not like my only passion.

Right.

So it's not like I'm like, can I be out of it?

We can trust it.

In fact, with Filippo, if anything, there's a little bit of fear that he may yet not have enough fun.

Right.

And I mean, that's sincere.

Yeah, 100%.

So there's almost like a, you know, maybe like a portion.

I will say it's the answer to the second part.

She didn't, we had an NB me out of her ear.

She did not enjoy the NB.

She didn't like the NB.

Hey, you know what?

She wanted an A.

She said, I wanted an A.

I want to package one car.

And he was like, oh, she, her complaint was that I felt like every time she went to a pothole

because we live in Baltimore.

There were many that she would just disappear.

Um, the answer for me, my spouse, uh, works now two days a week.

We have two homes.

She needs to say it's pretty, pretty okay with my own passion.

It's actually interesting.

I get this question a lot.

Like, how is your out of your wife?

What you get a car GT?

Well, you know, cars have, cars have given us a great life.

And so I, I think that my spouse wonderfully is supportive of,

probably, I probably have made some rather irrational car decisions,

including a car GT honestly financially.

And, um, but, you know, it's, it's, it's sort of, it's part of the whole thing.

It comes with the territory.

Okay.

Next question.

Okay.

It's a good one.

It's not a good one for me, but he individually asks three questions to all three of us.

Mine is dumb, but the yours is good.

Old from old bitty.

A theoretical way for each of you.

Doug, someone handed the keys to an F40.

The caveat is you have to get rid of your 4GT, 4GT, or Kuntosh,

do you take it, which do you swap?

Yeah.

The 4GT, I wouldn't even be done with the question.

Okay.

I love the 4GT, but what if it took two cars to get a F40?

Yeah, I'd probably give up the Kuntosh, the 4GT.

Okay.

But someone handed the keys to a 993 Turbo S.

Oh.

The sweetest car.

So sweet you could say.

Oh, I did.

The caveat is, you'll never be able to, I don't even know what that means.

I drove a 993 Turbo S.

Did you lick it?

No.

I thought about it though.

The caveat is, the caveat is, you'll never be able to drive or own another E39M5 ever again.

Do you do it?

I can't drive my own car ever again.

No, it's over, it's over.

But you have this.

You got this to look at those curves.

You'd be known as the Porsche 993 Turbo S.

Instead of the 95.

The answer in a wrong answer.

Yeah.

I'm pushing in a certain way.

Obviously.

Yeah.

The thing with this is, it's like.

Can I still get in?

It would give me the car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Somebody's giving me that car.

But you can never have an E39M5 in your life ever again.

You can have enough 10.

You can have an E34.

You can have every other option in the world.

You could have a CG5B black wing.

I don't know.

Options.

Can it.

What is the E39M5 guy now?

But if you had this and drove this daily,

you'd be known as the 993 Turbo S guy.

After seven years, you'd be like,

E30 what?

Who?

E30 hot M5?

The main thing that's happening here is.

And then you'd be all over relentless talking about

how the 0991 option doesn't technically mean exclusive.

No, but I don't want to be a loser.

But you're already that for your M5.

In fact, you're debating this in any way, shape or form.

Can it?

I love my car.

Sorry.

You don't love this?

Can I have every Turbo S?

You drove this far.

You know what this is like.

This is one of the greatest driving cars in history.

Weird clutch though.

But yeah, it was a weird clutch.

It's one of the great clutches in history.

It was weird in that car.

But.

Kenned.

Okay.

I'll let you think about this for a second.

Let's move on to yours.

Philippa, somebody hands you the keys to an R63 AMG Mercedes.

Love this.

The caveat is you can never drive or own another car

that's worth less than $30,000 US dollars again.

Do you take the R63?

You've got to spend over 30 on every car.

Now, I think you've never spent over 30 on any car.

I have never set over 30 on any car.

And an R363.

Fairly there.

You know, you wouldn't do it.

But you could have a Mercedes V8 minivan.

Well, that'd be so cool.

I don't have kids eventually.

Legitimally.

They're in the 30s.

Look at that.

Unfortunately, maintenance costs about 30 grand a year.

Yes, that's true.

Not true.

Just the head bolts.

It can be.

You know, those cars had distinctive wheels.

No other AMG had those wheels.

No.

I do love the R63.

I don't want an R63 in there for no.

Okay.

Kenned.

Answer the question.

Kenned.

I just love my M5.

Kenned.

It's a 993 twin turbo.

It's the greatest car ever built.

345.

Then we're made.

I know.

I did the video.

I know the stats.

Kennen.

Oh my god.

I'm Kennen.

You're going to get destroyed in the comments.

I don't know.

Just for me.

Okay.

We're here to talk about the latest.

I am satisfied with the M5.

Yeah, but you'd be satisfied with the 993 twin turbo.

It's as a second car.

I mean, this car.

You can buy another car.

You're one person.

How many people are you bringing around everywhere?

It's just too special to use.

You can drive.

You can own other cars.

You can have an E39 528D.

Or a 540 I am for.

No.

Or a Lincoln AVA.

I did the timing chain guys.

I'm going to look through that hell again.

I mean, yeah.

Of course, it's objectively a better car.

And F40 is a better.

A lot of better cars.

But this is a usable better car.

This isn't an F40.

I think in an F40 world, that's maybe.

You'd want the F4 and you could sell whatever.

This is a car.

A 991 Turbo S is also a more usable car.

That's a tip.

Oh my god.

That's a tip.

This is real.

I'm in 7 Turbo.

This is a vehicle.

Look at those curves.

Look at that wing.

I can't.

I'm stressed out by this.

This is the worst thing that's ever happened.

You don't know anything about performance cars anyway.

But I know.

Two more questions.

You're not going to get an answer on this one.

I hate to say it, but I fear what the answer is.

And if that's the answer, then we're going to replace them

on the next podcast with an inflatable.

Okay.

Two more questions.

What are cars that sell really well that you think will be infamous

and poorly remembered in coming years?

Best example.

He came up with a P2 cruiser.

Every crisis in a minute.

Most Chrysler.

They don't sell well anymore.

Yeah, but there was a time.

Cars that are very appealing now.

Tourists, the football tourists.

No, okay.

But for like right now.

But right now, I think that you think do well in the market right now.

They will be fully remembered.

Tesla.

Model 3.

When Model 3s are $4,000 used cars are going to be so ratty.

Model 3 is right.

Man, that'll be for takeovers.

Do you?

Yeah.

Model 3 is right.

Model 3 is a very good choice.

I think a lot of a popular car is honestly.

Yeah.

You think people in 25 years are going to be looking at today's CR-V

and being like, oh, that's a hell of a car.

But that's how you feel about the 25 year old CR-V2.

It was a car.

It's fine.

But the CR-V, that is not how it has a picking table.

Well, it has the blue.

Pull up a blue original CR-V.

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That.

Electron Blue Pearl.

That's what it's called.

Yep.

That is a car.

How did that survive massachusetts?

It's always drives in a manual.

It's huge down.

Is that called 4 for 6?

You didn't buy that car?

You're on your mind.

Do you bid on it?

No, of course not.

But you thought about it.

Yeah.

What's this comment about it having a V10?

Okay.

I think a lot of modern kind of throw away ashtight.

No, of course.

Like what about other, that it got a special amount of attention.

All those throw away cars don't get any attention.

Cyber truck.

That sell well.

Oh, cyber truck.

Cyber truck is the answer there.

Yeah.

Yep.

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Thank you.

All right.

You know what it was?

Low-end versions of luxury CLA.

The CLA in 10 years is going to be looked at.

Like I've already seen some rough CLAs because they came out 10 years ago and you can buy them cheap.

I'm talking about like halogen at like early two things.

Oh, I know.

Because there's good CLAs out there too.

But like bad early CLAs are going to be like way worse remembered than the 190.

I think that we're already seeing this in the market.

A little bit different answer.

718 boxers, 17 camins.

Of course.

Are already massively less valuable than the six cylinder options.

And I think they'll continue to be true.

Yeah.

Good question.

That's a good one too.

Okay.

Final question from one new lease.

That's Louise.

But the one is an L.

Oh, interesting.

Doug, you're forced to buy a seventh car.

You can't say no, you can't say anything else.

What do you buy?

I've had six cars.

I've had the same six cars now for a year and a half.

It's probably the longest I've ever had like the same lineup.

There were some other cars that I had before but I can't pair it down to this.

And I've said many times that I'm done.

I'm not buying any other cars.

This is it.

I've checked every box.

So if I did have to get a seventh car, what would I get?

I think about it sometimes.

I don't have space.

But it'd probably be a 993 turbo.

A Rena red.

A Rena red 993 Porsche 911 turbo.

Which Ken and Ken and bring yourself to take over is $14,000.

I remember five.

This is what we're doing right now.

Yeah, look at that.

I read a red.

I bid on it.

I'll come back to that.

It'd be a 550 Marinella Ferrari.

550 Barquetta Ferrari.

575 Super America Ferrari.

575 Manual Ferrari.

You might be picking up on a theme.

Or one of the other cars I talked about.

Those are kind of the big ones.

And a 40 if you want fun too.

Yeah, but he said money is a constraint.

This is like a real scenario.

That those are pretty much all I talk about.

ESC 30.

Diablo ESC 30.

I would consider it the right number.

Yeah, those are all great choices.

I mean, I want you.

I think that you should get a Ferrari of some kind.

You don't know one.

You have another one in a decade.

Yeah.

No, I just.

Those.

And for a seven.

That's.

That's what I would be considering.

It'd be either a.

Marinella Ferrari.

A 993 turbo.

Those are kind of the things that.

997 turbo maybe.

Those are kind of the cars that I think about the most.

ESC 30.

A Diablo of some kind.

Those are like the big three that I like.

Still look at prices.

Look at values.

Look at sales.

That's what I should I.

And then I don't.

It could be me.

But you know what the problem is.

I told Sean.

Here's let me explain why I have a seven car.

This is the problem.

When I buy a car.

All right.

I got to title it.

Yeah.

And register it.

Yeah.

Which is a process.

I got to get it serviced up to my standard.

And my standard is not perfection, but it's good enough to daily,

which in some cases is harder than perfection because.

You really need the car to be usable.

Like for a kuntosh.

It's hard to get a kuntosh up to a status where you can drive it every single day.

No, you do this too.

But this isn't easy as what I'm going to say.

And I told Sean.

Like, I am willing to put the time and money in on a kuntosh to get it to this level.

But I'm not willing to do it for a $5.50.

Like, it's not.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Like, I've got these other three special cars.

I don't have the energy to put that level of effort into a $5.50.

And then I got to take it to Kevin.

And I got to get him to refinish two of the wheels.

And then I got to put new tires on it.

And then I got it.

You know, there's like seven things.

Every time I buy a car, it's four months and 30 grand to get the car how I want it.

And I just don't.

Unless the car is something I really, really want.

I don't want to do it.

I'll be a collection manager.

Oh, yeah.

That's kind of where it's kind of the point you get to.

That's why these big collections have people that handle that stuff.

Yeah.

Because the guy who binds the car just wants to have the car to drive it.

I don't want to deal with the minutiae.

They don't.

And but the thing is my, I don't have enough cars or money to have.

Right.

For me, I think I, when I think about a car now, I think about the headaches that are involved.

And by the way, every car that is ever sold on one of the auction sites to me is not represented

at the standard that I would want it.

So like every time I buy one of these cars, I have to do stuff to it.

And I go, I know that going in.

Like, I am not going to accept some of the stuff the Kuntash had OE.

I'm going to want to make reliability modifications that are costly.

Same with Courager T.

I'm going to want to put in a suspension lift.

I'm going to want to put in heated seats.

Like, these things are costly.

And I would want to do this stuff for a 552.

And I just don't, it's not worth it to me.

The heat of seats in a 550 would be nice.

He didn't see it's blue tooth on a 550.

I would want to do it because I want no excuses on having.

I'm being able to drive a car.

I got that stuff in all my cars.

But the problem is, it's just, it's just work.

And I don't want to put in the work unless it's a car I really, really, really, really want.

I want you to try.

For I started you on this whole, if it weren't for your 360.

That was a pivotal car.

That brand elevated you pretty quickly.

Well, Filippo and I feel it was the Karmex Range Rover.

Which Filippo drove many times by the way.

Both of those cars were important.

I would love a Ferrari, but the point is I'm not doing it.

If you listen, if a 550 showed up at my door, and I didn't have to do a thing,

and it was title of my name, and all set, I'd be happy.

But I don't want to take the time, the effort to do it.

Especially because, especially in the case of the 550,

I think I'd get tired of it in a year.

And then, after all that work, I'd sell.

Which is what happened to the RS2.

Like, I spent a ton of money and time and effort chasing making that RS2

exactly what I wanted.

I registered it in three states.

I put perfect blue everywhere.

I've carved them to the interior.

And then I was like, you know, I don't love this car much.

And I would do that.

I think that would happen at 550.

That's why you go bigger, go home.

Three great cars instead of seven OK cars.

There's a lesson here for you.

I have three great cars.

All right.

We forgot to start the time.

I have no idea where we are on this time for this podcast.

Hopefully, it's on time.

Hopefully, it's not too low or high.

I have no idea.

But thank you so much for watching.

This was one of Felipe's more interesting podcasts.

And our greatest podcast of all time.

Goodbye, everybody.

Goodbye.

Thank you.

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