Is the Car Market Cooling? Doug Wants to Buy Another Car?!

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm crazy neck and today there's a lot to talk about let's start with

the A2. The A2. We got an Audi A2 here and wow. Wow. What an experience. I am very happy the A2 is here.

I've only moved it around the office. I haven't driven it, but it is. It's a nice little car. Let me explain what happened a little bit.

We posted this video and everyone in the comments is like, Doug Broker's rule about a car. I want to be clear about something here.

I didn't pay for it. I'm not storing it at my home. I don't really plan to drive it again. I'm not on the title.

What's the title of that YouTube video? Well, we titled it that way. It says, I bought a car. I'm going to be printing that thumbnail, framing it, and delivering it to you.

However, in the very first sentence of the video, I said that it is a book of cars and Ben's bought the car. I just skipped to the end.

That's what the commenters do. The biggest new story, Doug bought a car. Next story. I will say two things.

Number one, the lack of nuance is interesting. As you're a content creator and you realize that, you start to understand how some politicians can make their rises.

It really hits you like, okay, you can really kind of trick people.

The other thing is, obviously I didn't buy this car. Disavow it. It's been sitting in the office for weeks. It doesn't have plates. Nick screwed all that up, by the way. What a surprise.

But, I am interested in a car. You know, he just said all this stuff about nuance, so then accused me of messing up the paperwork and not himself.

I didn't do anything. Somebody told the importer the wrong LLC. Sure, I did it all. I didn't do any. Okay. I was not part of it.

No, but there is another car. I will say, I did not buy this car legitimately. It's not mine. It's not here. I'm not driving it. However, it's here. It's not my house. However, I am considering a car.

Yes, and fortuitously, an anonymous fan recently sent us a gift that arrived. It pertains to the car that he is thinking about.

Random dude sent us this. 993 Turbo. In the right color. In the right color. In a red. It looks very nice.

Just last week, I spent like an hour deep diving on 993 Turbos again. And I kind of am like, you know, I kind of want one. You've been sitting on this?

A little. I'm not like, I'm serious only in as much as if a nice arena listed I would pursue it, but it's like a once a year occurrence.

Want me to hit up that guy in Jackson Hole again? Oh, I forgot. Remember on Facebook Marketplace? Don't tell anybody about that.

There is no 993 Turbo for sale in Jackson Hole. Good luck. Even if you find the guy, he responds in broken English with like tweet length responses.

So you got to buy it blind, basically. So anyway, the A2 is cool and Nick's got his multiple out, but I am legitimately considering actually myself going back down.

You got to find me an arena. It's it. I want a very specific car. That's why I have never pulled the trigger on it before.

It's just like what I'm looking for is so hard to find.

I'll bet if it came up, you still wouldn't buy it. The market would value it too much. It would. Someone would update you.

But you know, I didn't find that you'd be glad.

I am not willing to do the legwork.

That is part of buying a car.

And I don't want to do it. So I openly admit that. And if a car fell in my lap, which, by the way, happened.

Like this week literally fell into my lap. It just showed up at the office.

If that happened to a really, like if you're a dealer out there trying to unload an arena 993 Turbo, ship it to us.

I'll pay for it. I'll buy the car, but it has to get here and I have to do nothing.

And I don't want a Euro and I don't want stupid mods.

I want a stock U.S. ride height arena 993 Turbo.

Don't care about your color.

Yeah. And then here's the kicker. So what are you going to shell out for this?

What do you want to pay?

They're like, they're worth like $200 to $250.

So you pay $250?

I'll pay. I'm ready.

Really?

I'll do it. You're not going to do this.

No, I'm not because they're not around. They don't exist.

And even so, this is another thing. You'll go down a rabbit hole.

You'll be hyperbolic about a car.

And then in two weeks, you still have not bought a new one. Yeah, I'm over it.

Of course, in two weeks.

This is finding a car like this, an arena 993 Turbo U.S. car with mid miles that's like usable.

Not low miles, not a zillion, but like mid miles.

There would be like a six mile nine.

I know. It's the hard thing to do.

I'm not doing it.

And you know, you're going to fall short and not do it.

That's fine with me.

In this case, that's fine with me.

Let me summarize the story then.

Yeah.

The news is Doug bought a car. Doug is a Porsche guy.

Yeah.

Doug wants to buy another car now that he's broken the seal.

Doug won't buy a car.

Great news story.

What about some in the automotive industry?

No, I want to talk really briefly.

The other person who bought a car this week was the other car.

Oh, wow.

We got a fiat multiple multiple also in the background of your shot.

It is interesting to me having the two cars around each other as they've been basically since they arrived little little twins, but not identical.

Nope.

For churnal.

The multiple is a far more interesting car.

One of the comments we've been getting is a Doug, you I thought you learned your lesson from the A class.

I did, which is why I didn't buy it.

I got I knew day one.

I'm no interest in this car.

Do not want to drive it.

Do not want to have it around the multiple though is still a boring car to drive, but just exciting enough.

Yeah.

That it's like not boring.

The windows going so low and so high.

You feel like you're driving a fishbowl in a way that's disorienting and like really the A2 is comfortable.

And like, yeah, if you can't see the exterior, you kind of think, oh, I'm just in like an old A3 or like A4.

Yeah.

The red LEDs, all of that looks just Audi.

There's nothing in the multiple that you don't catch your eye and think, what on earth am I?

Like, I am driving a literal fishbowl down the freeway and people are looking at me like I'm driving a literal fishbowl down the freeway.

And the climate vents that look like a robot.

In the middle.

And then there's nothing in front of you.

I mean, just so much weird.

Well, in the whole, the whole thing.

Yeah.

It's amazing.

And I think, I think the lesson here is if you're going to do this, a car that looks interesting like the A2 and the A class

isn't enough.

And I knew that with the A class, which is why I didn't want to go down this road.

But a car that the multiple is more than just looks interesting.

It like is interesting and weird.

I am curious how long this lasts.

Yeah, I agree.

The novelty will eventually wear off.

And then when it does wear off, you're driving a hundred horsepower diesel car.

Yeah.

You can't really get parts for it.

I agree.

Although it makes a good commuter.

Like it sips diesel and it fits all of your stuff.

Like I think I'll have a use for it as they just normal go to the grocery store.

It'd be nice to get a title on it.

Nick and I, Nick's been driving around no plates.

Well, I think that's actually what also adds to the driving experience.

Like every time a cop goes behind you, you get this adrenaline rush.

Every just have more than once Nick.

Well, yesterday Nick drove me home from the office and we get on the freeway and emerges

right in front of the California patrol.

And they're the only ones who care about plates like the local cops.

Yeah.

But but but the California patrol and the problem with that car is you can't do one of those

like things like you see on Instagram.

The guys are like looking at the cop because the windows are so big that if you start turning

around, looking, it's clear that like you're trying to hide something.

After I dropped you off, I got tailed by a Durango canine unit camp Pendleton Marine police

or something like that.

Like I was like, Oh my God, they're going to eat me.

They like catch me like this is I got to get home.

The dogs.

Oh, a planet plus.

It does look like a giant squeaky toy.

Sick of boys.

Okay.

We'll talk more about the A2 and the multiply in the talk cars segment, but that is news.

That is legitimate automotive news.

The news Doug is back on cars.

A couple of weeks now cars and bids has created real automotive news.

The car, the Cayenne Green Cayenne manual sale and now the A2 and the multiple.

We are market makers.

Sure.

All right.

Move on to what's actually happening.

Rubicon four by E the renegade gladiator is what's called.

Thank you.

Ruby star red.

They, and yeah, they announced they were going to do a four by E version that is canceled.

Flip to the next slide.

Did they, did they never do a four by E like they canceled it?

We're going to do it.

Didn't the Nissan aria and I went to the press launch for the Nissan aria and I remember

how excited Nissan was to debut this car three years ago, canceled and move on to the next

slide.

Porsche has officially announced something that we were certain was coming.

Yes.

They have said that they're going to, they're slowing their roll with EVs and that into

the 2030s, you will be able to buy gasoline powered cars.

Now the market was not happy about that.

So they, they, their stock fell on Monday by 7% and also Volkswagen group, which backed

Porsche's decision to do this and said, we will financially, you know, support Porsche

through this also fell by 7%.

So tough day to be, tough day to be.

Well, I have a suspicion the stock fell because by retooling their strategy, it's going to

have an effect on earnings because they're going to have to spend money.

They weren't planning on spending into like redevelopment.

They did announce they reduced their projected profit margin from 7% to 2%, which is quite

a while.

Yes.

However, this is the proverbial drawing the line on the thing to extend the life of the

911.

Yeah.

Just like, just like what's his name?

Schultz.

Yeah.

Schultz, whatever.

Peter Schultz.

What was his name?

Peter Schultz.

I think it was it.

This is that the Boxter and K, specifically the Boxter and Cayman have been, it is, it

is being said by Porsche.

Now the Boxter and Cayman will offer a gasoline powered version, although they are implying

that the base models will still be electric and you have, it'll be the top versions,

which are gas powered, which by the way, that's actually a pretty good idea.

Yeah, that sounds very appealing.

Make people pay more for gas powered.

We want to anyway.

Yeah.

Like a manual.

So now this gives us a second opportunity for them to do a manual spider RS.

Maybe I don't want a 993 turbo after all.

And just like that.

No, don't, don't hurt it though.

That's a nice model.

No, don't, don't hurt it.

Let's take it.

Yeah.

So take out of the box and play with it.

No, do you have to leave it in the box?

Anyway, the point is, the point is big, obviously big decision, big, big news.

Yeah.

But we, we have been kind of expecting it.

I'll never free a year ago when I dropped off my career duty for service and they, for

the recall and they said, McCons are not selling.

They're not even sold when they come in.

It was like, ding, ding alarm bells are going on.

I've seen so few of them on the road and we are in peak EV country right here in SoCal.

Yeah.

Peak like wealthy EV country.

Like this is it.

Yeah.

If you're not selling them here and they're okay.

I see a few of them.

I see a few, but not that many.

No.

Like I certainly see more model wise and all of that from people that could afford them

a con and it's like, eh, I'm good.

Yeah.

But again, it ties in.

It is interesting because last week I talked about how the Porsche felt that they were making

the right decision with EVs and then on Friday to have them go through all this.

And then it's like, again, yes, maybe the right move is for the base model.

And if I'm sure the cars will be good because they will come eventually.

Yeah.

But it is interesting.

I'm going to make a prediction right here on the pod.

Gas cars will be available into the 2030s and beyond.

And beyond.

I do agree with that.

Personally for enthusiasm.

It's 25.

Like it'll be 26 and 90 days.

Yeah.

Like it'll be beyond 2030.

They will be mid late 2030s into the 2040s.

We'll still be driving gas Porsches.

Tax credits ended this month or is ending this month.

So like, and that's going to continue for at least the rest of this administration.

So there's not really, like you can't price it competitively without those.

So yeah, I can't see why people would bother.

There will be a follow up to Trump who probably will moderate some of this behavior, whether

it's a Republican or a Democrat, but the world seems to have shifted away a little

bit from EVs in recent years.

It'll shift back one day.

It'll have to.

I think it's inevitable.

But the, yeah, I think in the end, the EV world will win this fight, but it may not

be tomorrow.

Like we thought it would be.

It may be like the day after tomorrow or next week or verbally.

And I think that again, if the mass number of cars on the roads or EVs and the infrastructure

and clean energy then rises to meet the demand of electricity, I think that that for normal

cars is viable.

And you can have your fun, interesting sports cars with a gasoline engine that are used

so infrequently.

Like the impact on the environment is pretty negligible.

I think that can exist realistically because that's what Porsche customers want.

And that's what the like customers for most sports cars wants.

And that's, you know, exemplified in the values of cars on the secondary market, how they

continue to rise for these cars from the gold near 05.

It's a unit hit the nail in the head that the last companies that should electrify our

sports car makers.

Yeah.

We want the experience of it.

Do that with your minivans, your SUVs, your commuter cars, like the Cayman should really

be the last car to go EV of the entire lineup from my perspective.

You have an electric car yet.

You don't commute.

Your wife doesn't commute.

You dropped your kids off at daycare near your house.

Get it.

Why don't you have a new car?

I've thought about a leaf for like six grand or 500 E.

Talk about what the new one.

It's over there.

No.

I don't buy new cars.

I don't think I've never in my life bought a new car.

I don't think I would start buying a new car.

Didn't you buy that Ford Focus new?

My wife bought that.

It's a technicality.

And what we're hearing today is Nick buys new cars.

I'm not on that title.

I'm not on the title.

Yeah, exactly.

You two just wheezing around.

I got to buy something.

And we regret buying that now.

Well, yeah.

You're on your third trans, right?

Yeah.

So, you know, I'm not, I think EVs have a purpose and as, like I recommend that people

much like you do.

But why don't you buy an EV other, not a new leaf, a new song leaf realistically, but

like a $16,000 something or other.

I work from home.

What do I need gas efficiency for?

My R notch gets eight miles per gallon.

My Mercy gets about eight.

Like I don't even need a car that has like a dozen miles per gallon.

Fair.

The multiply actually probably does 40, 50.

Interesting.

That's fair.

The multiply.

Yeah.

That's your gas efficient car.

It's like an EV.

So this is teamed up.

I guess we already covered the next story, which is that Porsches shares have all fallen

on everything.

Porsches going down the tubes for God's sake by the old ones.

I'll say it does seem like they are going, well, speaking of the 993, it feels like they're

going through a tough time right now, which is wild because they make some of those desirable

sports cars around everybody wants a Porsche.

Tough time in the sense that the stock price is going through a tough time, but I think

it's important to separate the speculative purchasing of the stock from the brand itself,

which continues to increase in sales and to offer desirable cars and to have a very strong

brand name, one of the strongest in the whole world, Porsches fine.

The stock price might be taking a hit because we're going to see some restriction in their

profits and such with this new strategy.

Porsche is fine.

It's all good.

There might not be some bonuses paid at the level that we thought they would be to executives

over the next couple of years.

They're going to be fine.

Says the big time Porsche guy.

That does scare me about getting a 993 turbo.

It's just such a good.

You would become peak Porsche guy Mercedes and Porsche.

I have to get you hounds, tooth sneakers and like the.

Oh, we can finally get him a watch.

Yeah.

It would be the, I guess I had a 996 turbo for like four months, 13 years ago.

And then I had the courage to eat.

That's the only Porsches I ever had.

Now I've had like 11 Mercedeses, including two right now.

You are.

You are actually Mercedes Benz.

Don't tell people that.

They don't know that.

I mean, all I hear is how great the E 450 all terrain is, you know, the 450 all.

The guy that's trying to buy my mercy said, oh, I just picked up a 992 turbo.

And I go, oh, my wife has a Porsche.

They're they're great commuters and he's like, oh, a sick bird.

Like I'm just talking smack on him because he thought a Porsche was cool.

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Oh, yes, Bentley.

So a couple of weeks ago, I talked about how Bentley was going to be coming out with

they announced they're going to be coming out with an electric SUV.

Well, here it is finally testing on the road.

So we're getting closer.

Again, I think that EVs, particularly in the luxury space, make a ton of sense

because they weigh a lot anyway.

The motor really is not a part of the experience, although we love the W12.

Really, what we love is the whoosh of performance and electric just gives that to you.

And it's silent.

This is going to be full electric, full electric.

That was my understanding.

So you on the city.

Yeah, we'll see.

I'm shocked at how many turbo bellies.

I don't like my turbo Bentley anymore.

That's another story.

I'm shocked at how many specters I see.

Again, I know I'm in a bubble and blah, blah, blah, but like plated, non-dealer

specters are around and like people seem to be into them.

Agreed.

So I don't think that this is a terrible strategy.

Expensive.

Yes, but again, I'm just a little concerned about the EV adoption still is not great.

Like, yes, it probably looked, I would imagine, not that different than the Bentayga

if unless they're going to call us a different model and style it differently.

And so it feels like the electrified G-Wagon looks identical to the G-Wagon.

It's going to sell the same.

And they don't sell them at all.

So is this going to be the same thing?

But in this particular case, again, I think for luxury cars, EV makes a lot of sense.

And foreign markets.

Do those people care about, you know, having a V12?

A lured of some of these cars has been the powertrains.

And anybody can now get a Tesla that's incredibly fast and that sort of has a

luxury image to it, even though they sell as many as Honda Accords doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, but let's be real.

You asked most Bentayga owners what engine they have under their hood.

They have no idea.

I guess I don't think a lot of Bentayga owners also have Teslas.

That's probably true.

Well, yeah.

And then this would be like no big deal to them.

I think it matters less with the luxury segment than it does with the G-Wagon,

which immediately is luxury segment.

I'm curious to see what'll happen.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with it.

There was a plug-in hybrid but fine spur didn't do well.

What other EV luxuries have there been?

Spectre is like...

Well, but the Spectre has been selling quite well.

It seems to be selling okay, considering that it is a two-door coupe in a world that

it does not want a two-door coupe and it costs like $450,000.

And like you said, the younger, like we talked about several podcasts ago,

the younger people are buying them.

That's become a great engine of Rolls-Royce owners.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know.

I'm curious to see how it ends up.

I just want a turbo Bentley, man.

I got one coming up, no reserve.

Big engine turbo.

That wouldn't touch that car.

Six and three-quarter liter.

Two valves.

All yours, bud.

You're going to get so little money for that car after all this stuff you said about it.

Now, speaking of electric cars, we got our next news story, which is...

The big one.

The big boy, the Aspark Owl.

They've revealed a Roadster, which is amazing because they haven't yet revealed a coupe.

It's got 1,214 bajillion horsepower, zero to 60 in negative 14 seconds.

But it gets a lot of miles in a field three miles away.

Yep, yep, yep.

It can do anything you want it to.

Folks, the Aspark Owl has perennially been a source of controversy on this podcast.

The butt of many jokes because it's ridiculously named and it doesn't exist.

It's mostly the name though.

It's mostly the name.

And now it's here as a Roadster.

And by God, I can't wait to not see any of these just like I've not seen any of the coupes.

That's right.

We went to Car Week, didn't see it.

There was one last year, but it didn't move under its own power.

And we never saw it.

And I suspect actually that'll happen again.

I do like 24 hours before this debut.

They tease something new is coming.

And then what they revealed is the same exact car just with 5% less work.

Do you think it is actually the same car?

And they just cut the roof off of it and painted it a different color?

Yeah, like what Lamborghini used to do back in the day with Bob Wallace,

like they would just drive the car between auto shows and paint it like in the parking lot.

That's a different car.

That's right.

I think that might be exactly what they've done here.

Well, I for one am pumped about it.

And you can see that the people around the car are also excited.

For instance, this whole contingent of 20 of them are not currently looking at the car.

But I'm sure at one point they will.

Don't you think from this particular angle it does look a little owl-like?

Do you see it?

I see it.

It does look bird of prey.

I never liked how it looked.

I never liked anything about it.

I guess it looks a little owl.

You got a little A on the Aspark logo there.

What a beauty.

What a dang beauty.

Well, you think this is going to be like the vector of our generation?

If it ever be desirable because it's pure electric.

I think a lot of people are going to cancel their Tesla Roadster reservations

and put down an allocation here.

You know what this car costs?

TBD.

Yeah, I don't think they've ever said.

Okay.

They haven't said because they don't know.

Because they don't know either.

They got to build one first to know how much it costs.

They got to figure out what the development costs all were and all that,

but they're still developing.

They're just trying to scam investors.

That's what they're trying to do.

They're not scammers over at Aspark.

They're going to make a car.

God, look at this image that the Multipla and the Aspark Owl

right in the same frame there.

And the 993 Turbo.

Here is a beautiful car.

Look at this.

Boy, that is a tough 993 Turbo.

It looks good, but.

All right.

Give us our next news story.

Ah, yes.

The Nissan Centra.

Okay.

Next news story.

Yep.

Do they put the front through a shredder?

It looks very.

There is a new Nissan Centra.

I got invited to the press launch for this and I said no,

because it's a Nissan Centra.

And unless the press launch was happening at my

across the street neighbor's house, I wouldn't attend it.

However, people did attend it and apparently it's okay.

It's an okay car.

Yeah, it would be.

It's okay.

The problem with the Nissan's, when they announce new Nissan

sedans, they always have a beautiful picture

where it looks like the luxury car like this.

But then you seat on the road and it's got 13 inch hubcaps,

one of which is already missing OE.

And the LEDs have been replaced by a row of bad halogens

and this whole front bumper is gray plastic.

It's being driven like it's a Formula One car.

Within a year, it's like the new Centras are already

falling into those hands.

Well, yeah, they are.

So anyway, I've got high hopes, but they'll be dashed quickly.

High hopes, but low expectations.

It's exciting times with the procurement department

of Hertz and Enterprise.

No, it's true.

This is going to be the car you rent.

Oh, well, that's thrilling.

Next news story.

Ah, yes, McLaren.

So McLaren has announced recently that they're going

to expand their lineup beyond hypercars and supercars.

We've seen Ferrari do this, of course, with the Pure Songway,

but they've said specifically that they haven't gone

as far as enough to say they're going to make an SUV,

but they're going to make another car that carries

more than two passengers.

Now, of course, McLaren famously has built cars

that carry three passengers.

Right, that could be intentionally tripping us out.

Right, they could be potentially tripping us.

This needs speed tail, but there's a lot of possibilities.

It could be an F1 type with three seats,

although regulatory, very difficult.

I would imagine, yeah.

It could be an SUV, which makes sense.

Could be just a four-seater, like the Evora type car.

Yeah, it could be.

Shooting brake would be cool.

Dude, if McLaren did a manual shooting brake,

I would still not be into it, but I would be kind of into it.

I'd be into it.

Yeah, but you know, they'd find a way to.

Right, they're going to.

They've done every variation of the 720S possible,

other than shooting brake.

They're still doing variations of the 720.

I would argue that the speed tails,

can I have a seven-speed shooting brake?

Absolutely.

The entire company is a variation of the 720.

It really is long.

The 720S, all the variations.

720S, 720S, Spider, 750S, 70S, Spider, 765LT,

plus the spiders of that.

Speed tail, Saber, Senna.

Oh, I'm missing some, I'm sure.

I still got the bottom of the 570, 600LT.

Elva and windshield, Elva.

Right, non-enforced windshield.

So I don't know, but what was more interesting to me about this

was they underscored that they're going to lean heavily

on the relationship of the Chinese automaker, Neo, or NIO.

And I think that's kind of an interesting partnership.

I don't know exactly what they're going to do,

or if this is going to be more EV focused,

which would be, seems like the wrong decision,

based on what we've talked about so far.

So I don't know.

We'll see, but they've announced that something is coming.

I would do a curveball here,

and buy the NIO's Grenadier, and make it a McLaren.

Make it have it be like the Rambo, Lambo to McLaren.

It's like the LMO.

I've always felt that a missed opportunity

for all of these sports car brands

is making an LMO two-stop vehicle.

It's got to be a brutish one, though.

You don't want like an SUV.

Totally brutish.

My view is, if you're making the fastest road car,

then make the coolest off-roader.

Who did that? Ariel.

Remember Ariel had the Adam, and then they had the Nomad?

Yeah, of course, yeah.

And to me, that's why the LMO too was so cool.

Like, they already won the road car world.

Now let's conquer the desert racer world.

Yeah, Ariel Nomad.

I don't know.

So cool.

But instead, Lamborghini makes the Urus,

which is just like a road.

It's not the same.

Urus has been great, and it's a great car, and it sells well.

But it's not the same.

The G-squared.

I mean, like, there's so many cool ways to do this.

And NIO's Grenadier style McLaren,

I think, would be super cool.

And it meets their audience demographic really well.

It does.

Newer money, like they won, it would just do the work.

Once a fender flares, and a boxy design,

but they're not willing to actually have an old Defender.

And they'll have low expectations for reliability,

which will look perfect.

Yeah.

It's got a BMW power plant, just like the F1.

You probably want to replace the power,

make it a little faster.

And probably a little bigger.

Like, make it bulkier.

You've got that Nissan V8.

You'd want to make it 250.

I'm pretty sure NIOs would be willing to accommodate those requests.

That's true.

The French, if they're not striking.

Well, nonetheless, we wait with baited breath.

Baited breath.

I'm excited to see yet another variation of 720S,

this time with four seats.

It's now time to move on to the talk cars segment,

and we have to talk about cars.

And particularly our own car Xperiai.

My one was that the Countach is now in for service.

Yep.

Dropped it off today.

Me and Kenan dropped it off today.

And it needs an oil change.

And it was leaking from the front,

which we think was brake fluid,

but it's not leaking anymore.

So I don't know.

I could not find any sign from any line

or the caliper or anything that it was leaking.

So maybe it's fine.

But the Countach is, I've driven that car 2,600 miles

since I bought it almost exactly two years ago.

I got to give it to you.

That is pretty impressive.

Not a lot of people have driven a,

2,600 miles in two years isn't that much,

but like when I have six cars

and I don't live here for some of the year

and it's a Countach,

it's, I try to drive it as much as I can.

I think there are owners who've never driven it

that far the entire time they've had the car.

And brag about it.

This one only got 4,000 kilometers on it.

Meanwhile, you and Harry Metcalfe,

the only two people driving it

because Matt Ferris is in a million pieces somewhere.

There's probably other people, but there're not many.

Not many, not many, but congratulations.

We'll see what the service says though.

I'm a little anxious

because I took it and the trunk latch had broken

and then it just needed an annual.

But you find stuff.

You find stuff because it's an old car,

but I have to be honest with you

because I've spent a lot of time with your Countach.

You're running it through its warm-up cycle

while you're away and things like that.

Car always starts, always runs perfectly.

It doesn't really leak anything.

It is for as old as it is, it is beautifully serviced.

And honestly, I would trust that car to drive it a lot of places.

And I've driven some exotic cars recently.

That's not...

I agree. I would drive it to Santa Barbara.

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Let's start with the multiple.

So you took the multiple to Big SoCal Euro, is that true?

Yes.

Yes, and Cars and Coffee.

But Big SoCal Euro,

they shut down multiple street blocks.

Like there's, it's a couple thousand cars there.

People loved it.

It gets the reaction,

it reminds me of my old Celine XB8

where the reactions are consistent.

Like either what on earth is that thing?

Or they give you a very specific memory

of when it was like a nostalgic moment of their youth.

Like, oh, I studied abroad in Italy.

I lived in Europe.

My family, I rented one when I was there.

That's funny.

Like, so it brings out the best stories.

And like the excitement for you is like so pure and sincere

rather than like, hey, cool Lambo brother,

what have you.

So like that part was really cool.

One guy was like, I want to marry you.

Like people were a little over the top with it.

But like, it was cool.

I'm surprised there are people who don't know

what it is at that kind of event.

I mean, it's a quite a legend.

Most people, it's a VW Audi thing.

So like, I think the A2 actually would have done it.

Yeah, I know it better.

It makes SoCal Euro despite its name is not for Euro.

It's like a Volkswagen Audi scene thing.

Yeah, I mean, there's-

I didn't consider bringing the A2 until this moment,

mostly because it's not mine and it's not at my house.

That's Nick hasn't finished the paperwork.

It's not yours.

It's at your office and then right behind you.

There's a BMW 700 here.

There's a Viper here.

You think that Euro van is mine?

Should have brought that to make SoCal Euro.

Oh yeah, probably would have.

The A2 would have killed.

But yeah, it did great.

Like people loved it.

I brought the Mercia logo as well.

Then afterwards we did a big photo shoot

with the two cars together for the

Ultimate Italian two car combo.

So really fun day in terms of just like

doing weird quirky car stuff

and like getting a million looks between the two cars.

So what are your thoughts on the multiply?

You've had the multiply now for, what, a month?

Yep.

A few weeks.

Well, what do you think?

I mean, I'm excited for when it's plated.

That will help a lot.

It leaks two different places.

I broke the door trying to do a whistle and diesel impression.

Which I didn't realize and I was like kind of

miffed at the dealer for not disclosing it.

And then Sam was like, watch your video again.

You were opening the door and shutting it over and over again.

So it worked when you got it.

And you clearly broke it yourself in a jack.

So yeah, but I think it's really cool.

Like I'm super into it.

It's fun.

And it's like a good pallet cleanser after the arnaage,

which has just destroyed me.

It's at the mechanic again.

No way.

Because you're kidding.

I just spent $3,000.

Nick.

Oh, because now you're trying to get this on lightly.

Now I'm trying to get, I have an ABS light, a brake light,

a circle with an exclamation point in it,

which is just like a general warning that doesn't tell you what it belongs to.

An airbag light and a check engine light.

So I've got five warning lights on right now.

I can't sell it like that.

Can I ask you a question?

Nick, I would sell it like that.

I would drop it on the site and disclose this car

is best suited for a demolition derby.

And it needs project in the title.

Yeah.

Well, my plan was to sell it on the site, no reserve.

I am just full disclosure,

hitting people up on Facebook marketplace for trades.

Like if I could find someone willing to trade a salvage title,

Viper or similar, like I'm dead.

Or a home dishwasher.

Yeah.

A good refrigerator.

A good rust free appliance.

Well, my dad has a 67 Mustang.

And he's always wanted a Bentley.

And like, I think maybe he might be down to bargain.

I don't want to always be saying I told you so like I do to Sam and others.

Yeah.

But when you bought this car.

We stood right there.

Yeah.

The Bentley lived up to every warning and expectation I had

or should have had about owning.

I was like really, really anti this car,

especially the way you bought it, which as I recall was like.

The worst of the worst.

Very sketchy from a sketchy dude.

And then it shows up and it's even sketchier than it had been disclosed

to the point where they refunded your buyer's fee.

You were stuck with that one.

Also had a door that didn't open.

But do you think as I had suggested at the time that if you had maybe

spent a little more to buy a nicer car,

your experience maybe would have been a little different in this vein.

Rather than a heavily used multi-owner.

I hate to give you a win.

I think generally you are correct.

However, I'm not sure there's actually that many nice ones.

I think all of them have fallen into some level of disrepair.

If you look at the ones for sale,

newer ones with lower miles that have been well kept.

Yeah.

It wouldn't have been that much more.

They wouldn't have been that much more.

I paid 19 for the car and I'm in it 15 in maintenance in one year.

So you're in the car for 35.

You probably could have for 30.

Or even 40 and then you will end up getting more when you sell it.

Because this car, you're not going to be able,

you're going to lose real money in.

If you had bought for 40 and sold for 35, you lose five.

This car, you're going to lose 15, 20.

I've had a good experience and up until the latest round of repairs,

I would have disagreed and said I've enjoyed it.

But this last one's really just like a gut punch where I'm like, I'm done.

I went out of this.

The gut punch that we all saw come in.

Yep.

There's usually a gut punch at the end of his ownership.

The Maserati, the very end, the alternator died.

And it was like 1500 bucks when he was like about to get out of it.

And I was like almost died in the process.

Cars you're ready to get rid of do have a tendency to do that.

It always happens.

Your oil spill on the 355 as you are moving.

The oil spill was four drops.

But yes, it was something I did have.

Axon Valdez 355s.

Right.

This is he does it to you too.

He says I only ate two.

He says you had an oil spill.

None of that is true.

However, if the right arena 993 twin turbo showed up.

Okay.

That's your multiple situation, your broken Bentley situation.

Can you tell us what happened with the Range Rover?

Oh my God.

I will make this one really short.

I missed the Borego P38.

My wife misses it.

My kids miss it.

What do you miss about it?

It also was broken all the time.

It was total crap.

It was broken all the time.

Do you remember when you jumped me in the middle of an intersection

towards the end of my ownership?

I remember when you took it to that shop in sports arena

and the dude had it for a month.

And when you picked it up, the battery was dead

and it wouldn't start.

It was four months.

And yes, like he's like, it's all ready

and it wouldn't start.

It wouldn't crank.

It wouldn't open.

It had warning lights.

It was leaking.

It's like, did you do anything?

But I all that being said.

Go to the one we just sold

that where Nick was the underbitter on it.

Right.

You know, some people like have like,

like I'm trying to think of how I can phrase this.

That won't get cut.

Some people are attracted to life partners

that put them in unfortunate circumstances

and have bad tastes on the other gender

or the same gender.

And you are attracted to them.

I am that way with cars.

I have like Stockholm syndrome

where the abuse is part of the appeal.

So this was a no reserve car.

It was a no reserve car.

And I knew through the P38 community enough people to vouch

that this was actually a really nice one.

And it was cheap.

And I had a conference call starting at like the top of the hour.

And this was ending at like 9.57.

And so I just threw a bid in at 10.

10.

And then that was the longest minute of my life

watching that timer reset.

The guy beat me by one single bed.

You almost ended up with another yellow rage.

If you had done that, we all would have just owned you.

After the Bentley experience.

I would have been so happy.

I would have been having one of these.

Nick, Nick.

It's a special car.

It's a disease in the good of friend group.

When you sell these cars,

you're selling them because you're done with them.

He wasn't done with this though.

He sold it because we the content arc

had reached its conclusion.

But I think that he wanted to go further with it.

And he probably would still have it.

But he's overlobed on people on Facebook,

Marketplace, on Xp8s again.

Including for P38s.

There was a write-in edition.

But you're doing it on Xp8s again.

He was done with that one.

We didn't even do content with that.

He's sold it willingly.

And now he's trying to get another one.

You know why I can relate to this?

Because I've been having a tough time recently.

And all you kind of want is that sensation of home.

You go back to what you know.

And for him, it's those cars.

He's been going back to those.

Actually, I might be buying an ML 55 today as well,

which is home because I took one to prom.

An ML 320.

Did you really?

Well, it's my dad's car at the time.

Yeah, a 1998 first model year.

What is wrong with you?

Well, Ed got one at auction today.

And he's willing to sell it to me very cheap.

Nick, Nick, stop this.

Get rid of the Bentley first.

You know what's funny though?

You know what car he never talks about one back?

That Quadra Porter.

That Quadra Porter, yeah.

Rest in peace.

That happened.

That one went its full arc.

I'm good.

And I bet we'll feel the same way about the R9.

It looks so cool and sounded great.

But yeah, it was so normal.

Okay, that is Nick's situation.

Crazy Nick lives up to the hype.

He imported a multiply.

He almost accidentally bought another yellow Range Rover.

And he continues to lowball people on Facebook.

He's lowballing people on Facebook and on Facebook.

And his Bentley is in the shop for the 19th time,

addressing five warning lights.

Look, he's had the car for a year

and there's still five warning lights on.

Now, how many of these were present

before you did the clock spring out of curiosity?

And you left the battery in.

No, the airbag light was on.

One out of five.

So some would say the fact that the manual said

you're supposed to unplug this is probably on you

and not on the car.

Serious PSA, unplugging your airbag.

I thought it was just like a safety thing

to make sure it didn't blow up in your face,

which fine, whatever.

But no, it messes your electronics system.

That's why you do it.

So take the time.

But yeah, basically the reason I started a YouTube channel

is I got so much stuff like this going on

that I can't jam it into the car pod once a month when I joined.

So Shane was plugged.

You gotta follow along Nick's YouTube channel,

which is his name.

But he's called it.

He started introducing himself as crazy Nick.

Right.

He's just Nick for some continuity.

And also give people something to expect

since it seems like it was edited by a hamster on Adderall.

Yeah.

No.

And that's some good hamster in there.

This is good content.

This is not the Maserati Quattroporte Cold Start,

which I think was just in the cars and beds.

Did you hear that cold start though?

Pretty tasty.

He's got some good stuff.

And my PCM wireless carplay retrofit

and Sam's dining room table with.

And I think I was there.

I think having a beer.

Literally having a cold one.

The last two videos especially have been like banger videos

that you should be watching.

Nick is making real content about real stuff.

And the next video might have a cheap ML 55 in it.

Me eating that Taco Bell in front of a relaxaback was for you.

I didn't understand any of that.

I watched that part of the video and it for me.

This is like, wow, Nick's incredible.

I wanted to show it being used in practical scenarios

that Americans would.

So I went through a drive through it

and I drove past a strip mall.

Oh yeah, what?

The drive through.

I subscribed to you from the cars and beds account.

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By the way, speaking of Hoovey coming up there,

did you see that comment Hoovey left on my video?

Yeah, the vitriol.

I made a video last week.

I posted a video.

I actually record those Sunday videos.

I record like nine of them at once.

So I made that video even before you were into the SLR

and the video was called Cars That Are Not Going Up In Value.

It was right there, yeah.

And this one.

And it was a little bit of a controversial video

and I knew that going in saying certain cars

wouldn't go up in value.

Hoovey chimes in.

And the SLR, I said that the SLR was one of the cars

that isn't going up in value.

Hoovey chimes in and he says, my SLR has been great

because I think one of the things I talked about

was how it breaks.

It's difficult to own.

So people say, my SLR has been great.

It hasn't been expensive.

Been going to the ND, et cetera, et cetera.

I think you put this in the video to help depress values

so your cheapskate friend Nick can buy one.

Now two things about this.

First off, I am flattered that Hoovey thinks

that my Sunday content is anything more than me

simply attempting to fill a hole in my video sketchbook.

I'm flattered that he thinks there's more strategy

to it than that.

There is not.

But most importantly, Nick is obsessed with the SLR now.

He wants to get an SLR.

The genesis of his obsession is as follows.

Over the summer, we have a car group chat

and I got really into SLRs over the summer

and I started texting the group thread about values

and no one would talk to me about it.

There's like nine people in this thread, no one cared.

So we get to Monterey and so now it's August 15.

We're in Monterey.

I've already filmed this video.

And I bring up the SLR briefly to Nick

after having all summer mentioned it.

And then Nick like freaks out.

It's like, the SLR, the SLR, whatever.

Why don't I get an SLR?

I should get an SLR.

I could get an SLR.

And to the point where he starts going up

to random strangers at Quail,

where we were when I brought it up to him saying,

what do you think of the SLR?

Is the SLR cool?

And people are like, who are you?

You have to, this guy was just like the poster child

for Gen Z.

We're in like baggy, very cool clothes.

And I was like, what do you think of the SLR?

And he was like, it's fine.

I guess, I don't know.

My boy Brock, I love that guy.

Yeah.

And I do enjoy that.

I've went gone from crazy Nick to cheapskate Nick.

Nick Hoovey.

And I can't disagree with either freezing.

Like both are accurate.

So Nick's been like kicking around the idea of buying

Hoovey's SLR, which had a fire at one point,

and put a Montana plate on it.

Also kind of guilty.

Oh man, that is absolutely lovely.

Anyway, Hoovey, I'm flattered at the thought

that I had some sort of big strategy this,

but I promise you this video was reported

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And Hoovey, I'm interested if you want to holler.

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We're going to talk market reports starting with the RS4.

Pull it up.

This is the coolest thing on the site.

Nick, tell us about the B5 RS4.

You're an Audi, man.

I'm an Audi man and I am a B5 RS4 man in particular.

Beautiful car.

Actually, I was speaking to someone at Big SoCal Euro

who had owned one of these

and he actually brought his imported S2 to the show,

which was really cool.

But he's like,

most of the parts are actually shared with an S4,

so servicing it is not as difficult as you think.

Like the Cosworth particular parts

are findable and gettable,

but like the water pump and like the belts

and all that like same as maintaining a B5 S4.

So this guy runs Pacific German,

but he's like, no problem.

Like that's easily serviceable.

Really?

It won't be an issue.

I've heard that from other people.

Yeah.

But I don't understand it.

Because that's been the only thing holding us back

a little bit was,

okay, if it's Cosworth tuned, never sold here,

how hard will it be?

And then the local San Diego shop here

says we don't work on B5s, period.

The local shop here won't work on B5s.

But my understanding was that it wasn't just Cosworth tuned.

It was Cosworth's engine.

Now I look at the listing.

It's a 2.7 Turbo V6.

Yeah.

Which suggests to me it was Cosworth tuned

because the regular one.

Breed on it.

But I don't think it's proprietary to Cosworth.

It looks so, it looks so meaty.

That engine in there looks so meaty.

That's not what the regular B5 S4 motor looks like.

Yeah.

That's the same engine cover.

That's interesting.

But regardless of that, it's that one.

That's a nice one.

They're now 25 years old or approaching that.

So I think we're going to start to see more.

Some were federalized and brought in.

Some were not.

Yeah.

Well, it doesn't matter now.

Some will come under the 25 years.

We're seeing values all over the place.

From like, I think I've seen the high list mileage,

non-blue one go for like 60s to like the nicest of the nice

heading 200 because there's no loss.

We sold, type in RS4 Avant.

We sold a crazy.

I was an underbitter on one on the site.

Yeah.

So we've sold a few now.

This one was a nice 191.

It's important to make the distinction,

as you just did though, that.

Negarro blue is everything.

Blue is everything, but also there was a time,

this car sold when it was only 20 years old,

when it was federalized.

Yeah.

The cars are now 25.

In fact, I suspect, although I don't know this,

I suspect that's one of the reasons why they're selling it

because they're just on the cusp of,

when the car becomes not having to be federalized anymore,

where you can just bring it in at 25 years old,

I suspect we will see more of.

2001 is really where they started to hit the stride

with production.

So, and they do go by the production date,

not necessarily the date on the.

When you go back to the listing of the ones that we just had,

we actually have already had our first 25er come up.

It was this one in France that didn't need to be

federalized, which just, no sale at 65,

which I think is a pretty good indication

of where the market is going to start valuing these.

For a silver one, that's like, it's a good car,

but not anything to write home about.

I will say, I drove the blue one that we have listed.

I drove it back when we sold it the first time,

because it had been on the site before.

Truly one of the great driving experiences of my entire life.

I have always loved the B5.

I had a B5 in college.

I've always felt that platform size was fantastic.

I love the steering feel.

I love the handling.

I love the size of the car.

How tossable it is.

But I always felt in all the other B5s I drove

that it wasn't right.

It was a little too much on the street.

It was a little too underpowered.

I got in this car and it was like it all came together.

It fixes everything you didn't like about your RS2.

Yeah.

And everything I didn't like about my B5A4.

It fixes both of those issues.

And the only thing holding me back has been reliability,

but that's interesting to hear.

Hmm.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

Where is this Pacific German located?

Orange County, I believe.

Interesting.

They're not doing that.

Laguna Hills.

Don't even, you're not doing it.

Why shouldn't I?

You're not doing a 993.

You're not doing this.

You know why I won't do the RS4?

Because there's other things looming.

Whoever sent this to us, unbelievable timing.

I hadn't even thought about the 993 Turbo in a year.

Unbelievable.

And then I just got on it.

I just got on it.

Well, thank you to whoever it was.

It truly showed up anonymously.

The A2 has opened the floodgates for Doug buying more cars.

If anything, the A2 reminds me of why I do not like to buy cars.

We are in title hell with it right now.

We're not.

I got all the paperwork together except for one.

Except for one.

And the one is the one we need to title it.

We're a bella sale.

We're in title hell right now with the A2.

We are in, I want to get this in my shot.

There we go.

We're in title hell with the A2.

Driving it is not that great.

Anytime anything seems like it breaks, you're screwed.

You got to deal with, I hate this whole process.

I like the three, this why I limited myself to a four-car garage.

I like the cars I have.

Yeah, that's why I've limited myself to one.

But look at this.

Don't you want this instead of your M5?

No.

But it is really cool.

You would rather have it.

I'm excited that they're coming up for sale.

It's something I've waited for.

The B7 RS4 when it comes, I'll be even more excited about.

B7 RS4 Avant is.

I'm hoping a couple more of these hit.

Now I've heard two theories since this is a market report.

One that when the 25-year-old cars come,

it drives up the market in demand for all of them

and doesn't actually hurt the ones that were federalized before.

Which has happened to the skyline.

Then I've also heard, hey, if supply exceeds the demand,

then obviously it depresses the values of all.

That's going to happen here.

That's going to happen.

I have a suspicion that's going to happen here

because I don't think there's quite enough demand.

It certainly hasn't happened yet.

So it depends on how many people bring it.

I would argue though that that 65 result on that French car

shows you where the market's going to end up being.

I think that 50 to 70 is where these are going to settle.

Whereas with the federalized ones before,

you could see those values.

We were getting 90s.

80s, high 80s, 90s.

I think those were very strong numbers though

because those were so rare and they were very good specs,

very low miles.

I agree.

But regardless, once these cars can just be brought in

on any boat with anybody,

the federalization process was not tremendously challenging

for this car.

This company in Maryland did it years ago,

but it was nonetheless not.

I told our importer buddy, put these on the list,

especially if you find like Goodwood Green

or like a special rare color or Nagarro.

Nagarro.

This is the color.

Give us the other very interesting market report,

Kenan, about the BMW situation.

Yes.

So recently we sold a BMW E30.

This is known as the Italian M3.

It's the 320 IS.

These cars are selling for real money,

54.5 for an E30.

Now E30 M3s are, we sold a couple for like notably

in and around that number.

I think about this car all the time.

It was so rough and it only sold for 39.

This one was rough.

I'd like this would do such a good car to just like beat on

and just not care about, but you have an E30 M3.

Anyway.

But this one was relatively nice.

Still a driver and it sold for 50.

And this 320 IS recently sold for more.

Yeah.

And so it is great.

Now granted, this did have an S14 and a detuned one.

It's the same engine as the M3, but it's small.

Because for tax regulations,

I think that's why they put it in this car.

So it could, in Italy, it was particularly difficult.

At the time, there was a higher tax rate on cars

with an engine larger than two liters.

And so.

Three, I think, maybe.

No, no, it was a two.

It was two.

And that's why I remember the other car that came out

as a result of this Ferrari.

Yeah.

Ferrari, the three, the two, oh, eight.

They mean, well, they mean, no, they do a two,

oh, eight.

Then they followed that up with the Ferrari.

It was called the GTS turbo.

And it was a 328 with a smaller and a big turbo.

And the graphics on the virtually nobody knows this,

but Ferrari made for the Italian market only

a two liter version of the 308 and the 320.

Wow.

And the reason they're not known

is because they've never left Italy.

It's not like a car you want to go after.

It looks just like a 308.

The slowest brand signal.

Yeah.

Right.

But on the back, and there was a 208 GT4 also.

And on the back, it literally says 208 instead of 308.

And that's.

Does look good still.

Unfortunately, the situation.

I know someone who has driven one,

and she told me it was terrible.

So, yeah, it's a turbo in those like.

Turbo.

Yeah, just so deep.

But the BMW is priced.

The BMW is definitely priced.

Now, there are several versions of the E30 that are,

that are not M3s, the 333.

I believe for the South African market,

they also did a 328 IS, I believe,

specifically for the South African market,

just like the 333.

But nonetheless, it shows that people really.

Very special cars.

And it is.

The cool thing about it is that it was,

it was, it was the M motor, like you said.

So that's, that's cool.

But also, it was like the latest,

weightest, you know, tossablest kind of thing.

Like it was, if you are a purist who just wants

like a really stripped out, like fun,

throw it around car, this is that.

They did a sedan, Anna and a coupe.

Exactly.

And it's, it's more if you know, you know,

amongst the BMW set, if you show up in this too.

Your object.

Your, yeah.

Anybody can get an E30 M3.

Yeah, I got three.

I got the Italian M3.

The Italian M3.

The Filippo M3.

I didn't really realize that it was an,

a detuned S14.

I thought it was just a four cylinder.

So this actually is an M powered car.

Did it have a WBS VIN?

Well, no, or WBS, no, because it was also.

Yeah.

That is a cool car.

I am shocked at that number, but I'm thrilled

that we got it and that it was such a nice car

that we were able to sell.

Very cool to see it.

Definitely. I totally agree.

Well, I want to talk gen three viper

before we move on to the questions.

Yeah, hell yeah.

Oh, sorry.

Just typing viper.

We've been talking a little about gen three vipers,

but it's time to do a whole thing.

Nick, you broke this down.

What's your take on this?

I'm sure y'all can chime in more.

I just look at the number and I look at the picture

and I say bye.

30s for a car that looks like that

with a V10 with 500 horsepower.

I really don't need to say much else or no much else.

What are the trucks cost?

Like an SRT 10, the quad cab or standard,

you can get a 20 buys you kind of a rougher one,

30 buys you a good one.

So the truck is not more expensive.

And maybe 50 buys you like a super low mile VCA one or something.

This is a 25,000 mile car, it's over 33.

How many miles were on the viper?

The trucks are not more expensive.

They're almost on the same price.

The viper is not more expensive than the truck.

And getting a silver viper truck

and a silver gen three viper of the same,

like they're both 2003, 2004,

like 70, you'll buy you the payer.

20.6 liters.

Dude, that's crazy.

That is pretty wild.

I know.

And just like, yes, you have one in the office right now.

We've all kind of looked at it.

Sure, the interior is a little like not great,

but good enough.

Like this is a fantastic part.

There's one sitting in the office.

It's been in the office for a few weeks.

I'm going to review it.

We're going to post it on the site in a couple of weeks.

Um, I had kind of like most people,

I had kind of ignored the gen three viper for a long time

because the one in two vipers had that famous design.

And then the later ones became so crazy and cool.

The three was always kind of the stepchild of the viper world.

But it is a lot of car for the money.

I think it's good looking.

A ton.

It's definitely good looking.

It doesn't have the cool look of like the original or the gen two,

you know, but what a first gen.

He's just, he just wants to look at first gen.

Well, first gen is cool looking.

That is such a cool car.

Yeah, I agree.

Red with the chromies.

That's the, I really like that.

So 30, 35 to 45 buys you a nice one.

Yeah.

It's a pretty good car for that.

It's fantastic value.

It must be cheap to own.

You can get in and out of it.

Why don't you get one of these?

And I think they have fixed a lot of the gen one,

gen two issues in terms of like,

like it's still on an easy car to own,

but you're not going to like burn your leg.

Gen two was already pretty easy.

Yeah.

I have to say it is, I drove around one we have in the office

like I talked about it and it is still scary.

You look good in it.

Thanks.

I do, I do suspect I'm going to end up with

it is a raw car.

How come you don't know these?

Why isn't this on the left?

Because you want the truck.

I do want the truck first, but I would settle for one of these.

The quad.

Yeah.

Quad for the kids.

I would like them manual and you could swap the manual,

but it's not really worth it.

Well, you could get both your kids into the single cab legally.

Sitting them in the front.

I'm not both.

Yeah.

It's a bench.

That would be a bench for the manual.

Even rare, even my kids would kick the shifter out of the gear.

Rare since like being scared.

But like, yeah, he, no, even he thinks that's sketchy.

And a quad cab would be super usable.

Like you could use that.

Yeah, but it's a tip.

It's fine.

Maybe for you.

Not for us, not for us.

We're manual guys.

That's right.

But yes, I agree with you.

Third gen Vipers I think are just a tremendous value.

They should be worth double that.

Okay.

We got to move on to questions, questions, questions, questions,

You can ask us questions and please do,

because this week's crop of questions was only okay.

You go to carsandbids.com.

You click on the community tab for God's sake.

There will be a post there that says questions

and then ask your question.

We want your questions.

It does.

If you remember late in the week,

oh, I should have asked them a question.

Go into carsandbids and ask it to us.

I will find your question.

I scrolled to the very bottom this week looking for good stuff.

We, we film on Wednesdays though.

So late in the week.

Yeah, gotta be, gotta be done by, by probably Tuesday morning.

Tuesday, mid-tooth.

Late in the week, we mean Tuesday.

Ask us a good question.

And I mean good as in controversial.

Give us some, give us some fury.

We like fury.

Like that guy who asked if we have beef

with Matt Watson from Car While,

which we don't, unfortunately.

I wish we had some controversy,

but maybe a question asker can give us some.

Matt's great.

First question from LamboGuy565.

I'll let you guys take this one

because I already have a good answer in my mind.

What car screams, I know nothing about cars.

And I want to preface this by saying,

we all know like a CRV or a RAV4,

but like what, what enthusiast, enthusiast car screams,

I know nothing about cars.

SF90.

Oh wow.

Damn, he really went there hard.

I mean, kind of.

A lot of the, usually if it's new and kind of flashy,

and someone says the model name

before saying the manufacturer,

so just like SF90 Ferrari, it's like,

you don't know anything about cars.

It is weird when people do that.

They do that, the 911 Porsche.

It's like.

I got a 911 Porsche, huh?

That's like, okay.

It's gonna be one of those conversations, huh?

You're about to hit us with a fact that is completely accurate.

Yup.

And Nick's gonna fall for it and regurgitate it somewhere.

That's exactly what happens.

But I think, yeah, any like the new, like I'm,

like if I see that or honest, kind of the 296,

any of that.

Can I tell you something on this subject,

but it's now we're on a tangent.

I drove this week, the SF90 XX.

Oh cool.

That's, is it under embargo?

You can, you can talk about it, right?

I loved it.

Yeah, I'm sure it's a great car to drive.

Absolutely loved it.

And I've been the biggest complainer about the SF90.

And so I get in this thing with low expectations,

and it was awesome.

Absolutely awesome.

Raw, it felt like a 430 scoot.

Like the SF90 is, it was nothing like an SF90.

It was so much more raw and visceral and loud and powerful

and like trying to kill you.

It was so cool.

So do you think they took that and then dolled it down

and gave us the SF90 and then?

You know, it's funny because on paper it's not different.

It only has 30 more horsepower.

It weighs only 20 pounds less.

It's like, okay, that's not going to be different.

That's how it delivers.

It's how it feels and how it delivers it.

All the leather is out of the interior.

It's, it's just like, it's, you see welds.

Like it is, it is like a 430 scoot.

And it's so loud and so like raw.

It looks cool too.

Yeah.

I was, it's a million dollars, but I was really into it.

Million dollars.

Yeah. I drove a spider as a million bucks.

Anyway, my answer for this is brand new Maserati.

Any brand new Maserati is a person who thinks they are a car enthusiast

and like thinks other people will perceive them as such,

but a real car enthusiast looks at them and is like, no.

I was going to go with McLaren GT.

Yeah. Although that's, that's getting down to a price point

where I'm starting to get appealing.

Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Used one for sure.

If that thing's, if that thing's 90, I mean,

why is it different from another McLaren?

Like the least the GT is a little newer and a little bit more.

Yeah. These, I mean,

It's just coming down.

That was a year ago too.

Yeah. This one bid to 131.

I have a suspicion this car is at 90 in about 18 months.

That's true.

Let's start to wonder.

MP124C, you look at it and like that guy is awesome

and I want to talk to them because I want to know how it is to own it

and like they must be very like pain tolerant.

Right. Don't you think that car is too risky to own?

I just assume most of the people in them right now got tricked into them by a dealer

because they didn't know any better and are there for total putzes.

No offense to the McLaren GT owners that are listening to this all three.

I love the McLarens.

Yeah. We all do.

Great cars.

No. I think that those cars at a number make sense,

which is one of the reasons why I specifically am saying the new,

anybody who buys a new Mazda.

I've been using that line on all the SLR dealers.

That car at a number makes sense.

The number you're asking not as much.

Nick called an SLR dealer the other day and they replied to his lowball and said,

I respect the offer.

I cannot sell the car anywhere near that price.

I was only 75k less than they're asked.

I don't understand why the hostility.

Was that question enthusiast car?

I would think of it as enthusiast cars.

What car screams, I know nothing about cars because you assume that most cars scream that.

I think it's more along the lines of like what car that is supposed to say that you know something.

Honda Prologue would be, I didn't do my research.

I just like Honda's.

Right. Yeah. Of course.

There's a few in there that are regular cars.

Next question from Sturrburger.

What is, is a good one.

What is your holy trinity of YouTube podcaster or TV car show personalities?

Context, if the three of you were to go on vacation for a week,

who would you pick to host the pod in your absence?

Well, there's this.

Whistlin.

Interesting.

There's a specific group of three that is the best that have ever done it.

Yep.

You know, the top gear tree.

That's obvious.

That's the obvious one.

And it is obvious, but it is also true.

Anytime three people are in camera,

if they're talking about cars, they're who they get compared to.

Rightfully so, as they were the best.

Yep.

So, for you and them.

But give me something.

Who else you like?

You agree, Whistlin?

To replace.

We would be on this deserted island with them.

No, no.

Whistlin would destroy me.

God, you wouldn't last a minute.

No, friends.

You had a deserted island.

I would eliminate you.

We go on vacation and they come and replace us for the week on the pod.

Who would we choose to stand in?

That's what I'm here because Filippo's not here.

The question takes 11 seconds to listen to.

Process.

Well, I started thinking about who I would pick.

I didn't realize I can't say that I'm allowed, so I have to find this.

Who are they?

These are like only fans, creators, or why can't you say them all out?

No, they're car YouTubers.

Who?

April, Colette, and Sabrina.

Okay.

Why can't you say them all out?

We need to discuss this.

My wife listens to the podcast.

And I've been in enough trouble as is.

Okay, Nick, who would you choose?

I would choose the three of you.

Can I do that?

I'm glad you listened to the question.

No, it has to be people when we go away.

Who are we picking to replace us?

I've selected Whistlin.

He said the top gear guys, which is kind of the cop-out.

What is yours?

I'm thinking more.

I would say my favorite.

My favorite two-car YouTubers right now would either be Rich Rebuilds,

because I think he's the funniest.

Rich Rebuilds would be great.

Or Alex from Legit Tree Cards, because I think he's the most knowledgeable.

Okay, Rich Rebuilds I'll take.

I like Alex too, but I'll take Rich.

I want to change my Whistlin to Rich.

So it's because I think Whistlin would not do well in a talk show format.

Rich is so underrated and so funny.

Yeah, it would be more of a podcast for me,

because it would be very technical and nerdy,

but I think Harry Metcalf, Henry Ketchpool, and probably Chris Hare.

So if I could have those three all British,

but if you could have them, I'll be much more pleasant to listen to,

I think, than us.

I throw a wild card in for regular car reviews too,

for the same reason.

Oh, Bronk, yeah, Bronk and Roman, both of them.

Rich though is the funniest car guy on YouTube.

Rich, Hoovie, and Freddie, throw them all together.

One time when I was at Amelia like 10 years ago,

I had lunch with the three of them and me.

Oh man, that must have been incredible.

Right, it's like when Harry was there,

when the Carrera GT was debuted at Paris.

I was sitting there with luminaries and also Freddie.

Just kidding, love Freddie, dearly.

Okay, next question from EHM600.

This is a great question because it's going to out Nick for what he is.

That's hard to do.

Tell us about the cars you all grew up around.

What were the cars your parents and friends had growing up?

What did you drive in high school?

Ken and I were poor children.

Our parents had geometros with three wheels,

and we as young children had to lift up the other corner of the car

to take it to school.

Nick, on the other hand.

You grew up on the water.

Nick, tell us about your privilege life.

It's in Sandusky, Ohio.

Okay, it's not quite as bougie as you're making it sound.

You had watercraft.

We had boats.

How many boats is boats?

Nine, right?

Do you count ice boats in the number?

What?

Like ice breaker?

Three sailboats, two ice boats.

What are ice boats?

Like they go on the surface?

Yeah, when the lake freezes, you can sail on.

Okay, I don't count those because they're not water boats.

So three sailboats, two, what was the next one?

Yachts?

Two ice boats, and then two.

We had a 14-foot roundabout like a whatever car,

whatever a smaller boat, and then we had a 20s,

I'm sorry, a 33-foot Boston Waylor Outrage.

They bought a nice Boston Waylor Outrage.

Okay, what about the vehicles?

Tell us about the vehicles.

My dad actually had a little flare for being dangerous,

so he bought an X-Type, the first model year, Jaguar.

Didn't end up being great.

A Volkswagen Touring first model year wasn't great.

So then he decided...

He had an ML3, 20 first model year.

That was actually the only car that was great.

We kept that one for like 15 years,

and then ended up like donating at the charity at the end.

Those were reliable.

Yeah.

It turned out to be reliable.

Those were all good.

My mom never really had any, she mostly had many vans.

Like an old silhouette was when I got my first speed.

You went a silhouette?

Yeah, beige on beige.

What gen?

Dustbuster?

Next.

We bought it new when I was in high school,

so let's call it 99-2000.

Okay, so it was the bad gen, the boring gen.

The Warner Brothers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Then I had a 95 Ford Explorer.

I was in a car group at the time.

The other guys were a Ford ZX2, an SN95 Mustang,

like very a grand MGT.

God, this is the Midwest.

Yeah, very Midwest selection of cars.

This is the absolute Midwest.

When your dad brought home that X-Type,

it must have been like a huge deal.

It had 18s.

Like that was, it was a big deal.

The Black Burlwood.

Three liter.

It was a three liter.

Yeah.

Wow.

Must have been nice.

See, I'll send the editors the photo of the Explorer,

but I put in 18-inch chrome wheels, clear tail lights,

billet grille with flames behind it.

What happened?

Three 12-inch subs.

After the twaric, like when you went off to college,

what did your parents have?

My dad just started buying MLs, which became the GL.

He, every like three years,

he leased a new one as a company thing.

My mom got an E450 Coupe at one point,

but she didn't really care for it.

I was brought home from the hospital

in a 1987 Toyota Camry,

or a 1981 Volkswagen Jetta Coupe.

I don't remember.

It's tough for you to recall.

My parents, my entire life, basically,

the car that we had was a 1993 Azuzu Rodeo

with a manual transmission, steel wheels,

and that was our family car.

No airbags.

My parents had looked at an Explorer.

We couldn't afford to explore it.

They tried to make it where they wanted.

It's so bad, couldn't do it.

Bought an Azuzu Rodeo instead.

And from Jerry Roth Azuzu in Denver.

They were in Aurora, I guess.

And then they had that car basically

until I went off to college, pretty much.

That was our family car.

And I remember it was a two-row.

And sometimes when we had friends of whatever,

we were just told to go into the cargo area and like,

if we saw a cop like bend over, you know.

And that was our car.

My dad replaced the 87 Camry with a 98 Camry

with a cassette player and 98, there was no CD player.

My dad couldn't spring for the CD player one.

So it was a four-cylinder LE with hubcaps.

Those were our cars.

That was it.

That's all we ever had until I was already in college

and away from the whole thing.

Base model BS.

My family grew up in a Ford family.

My grandfather worked for Ford.

And so we used the Z-Plan quite a bit.

And so my mom had her, when I was born, she had a Ford probe.

The first gen Ford probe.

It was manual, which was cool.

She loved that car, had the pop-up headlights.

And she, yeah, she liked it.

Of course, it never really, the pop-up headlights failed.

And then the engine started to have problems

and they had to get rid of that, of course.

They also, they had a, when I was born,

they got a Ford Windstar, first gen Ford Windstar,

a place that was a second gen Windstar,

which was much nicer than the first one.

Yeah, the second gen Windstar was an okay car.

It was an okay car.

And it was the only good minivan Ford ever made.

Gold on 10.

Yeah, it was a surprisingly good car.

My dad then had a Mercury, a Ford Taurus,

then a Mercury Sable.

And then, then he got into Subaru's.

He had a base, base, base, base Impresa.

He wanted just to be able to, he did two or three criteria.

Had to be all-wheel drive, had to be able to fit his skis,

had to have heated seats.

That was it.

And so he got a base one with just a couple little options.

That was like genuinely what he wanted.

And then after that, then they switched to,

my mom had a Honda Pilot after that,

we had two Odyssey's and then a Pilot.

And then they are now all on Subaru's.

Switched away from Ford all together.

Right, they have like multiple outbacks or ascents or something?

Yeah, an outback and an ascent now.

Damn, must be nice.

Yeah, but I, but my whole life growing up, it was all Fords.

It was all Fords.

My dad now drives, or my parents now have a 2005 Lexus RX330.

That is, as I think about it, only the third car my dad has owned

in my entire life.

Wow.

He had that 87 Camry until 98, that was 10 years.

He had a 98 Camry until he bought the Lexus used.

He bought the Lexus CPO in like 09.

And he's had the Lexus for now 15 or 16 years.

Oh, your dad and I should keep cars for a long time.

Yeah.

That's just, that's just the way it works in our household.

Wow.

It was unusual growing up to be a car enthusiast in that work.

Yep.

I only did because I had neighbors who were and turned me on to cars.

I know.

That's why I think that there's still hope for my son,

who's now four and doesn't care at all about my cars,

is that you didn't get into cars until you were like 13.

10, yes, but yeah.

That's right.

I was, come on.

Day one.

Me too.

Yeah.

And my parents didn't know what to do with it.

I also forgot our second garage.

So just quickly, 65 Mustang, 67 Mustang, 54 Packard,

We forgot the outbuilding.

A 30's Auburn and a 39 Rolls Royce.

We forgot the Rolls Royce, the Packard and the two Mustangs.

Hey man, been there.

I tell you, sometime, you know, I forgot also.

I'm sorry, the watercraft were in the way.

It was a detached garage.

It was easy to forget about.

I forgot also.

In addition to cars, my parents also had a 288 GTO they bought new.

The 65 Mustang I worked on in high school though,

that like really solidified it.

Like it was a lot of fun.

That really taught him.

He said, move the Packard.

I want to get to the Mustang.

Get the Packard out of the way.

And the new Jaguar.

Okay.

Next question.

Next question from F40RCK5.

Hey Doug, you said in your review of the EQS

that it's better than the S-Class.

You would get one over an S-Class.

Do you still stand by that knowing the impression

that driving an expensive luxury EV

would give other car enthusiasts?

I'm going to be honest with you.

I don't care at all what impression my car gives.

I drive a Sequoia.

Okay.

Have you seen that?

Have you seen my convertible G-Wagon?

I don't care at all the impression

that the car gives to other car enthusiasts.

I do stand by that.

I think the EQS is a fantastic car.

And it's even better now because used ones are amazing values.

It drives beautifully.

The only real complaint, the only real complaint

that people have about that car is the way it looks.

And if you give me 25 grand less than an S-Class

to be in an uglier car that looks, that drives the same.

Done deal.

I know Nick would do that too.

My freaking cheapskate friend, Nick, according to Hooby.

Buying an S65.

Okay.

From 2000.

Both are off my radar.

Okay.

Next question.

Let's do two more.

Much like the second garage, I forgot to look at the questions

in advance.

So pick ones I can provide.

That's better, honestly.

We'll do three more.

They're all really quick, actually.

EVs and clutch pedals for Kenan.

Your loan day pristine, all expenses paid for Aria 40.

It uses a weekend car for the next five years.

But the caveat is you have to daily your M5,

but when you're not driving it, your friends will be driving it

and dirtying it and treating however they're used to treating cars.

At a minimum, Doug will crash it into his house a time or two.

I crashed into my garage.

Do you accept?

You're gonna have 40 for weekends.

But I eat in your M5.

I eat in it.

That's the thing.

Nobody else would drive it or use it

because they'd be too afraid of how angry I would be

when I'd get it back and I would assail them after that,

which I could be very abusive to them.

I would eat in it.

I got it.

But you, yeah, you would make it.

You would do that Jeremy Clarkson thing

when James lent him his F430

and he was eating chocolate and threw a wrapper.

You would do that to me.

I wouldn't do it to upset you,

but I would do it because that's just how we live.

I think...

The kids would ride on it for sure.

They would put the car seats in it.

Oh, that would be tough.

That would be...

Oh, my God.

Maybe not.

I know, I think...

But then I could really one up both of you

and show up everywhere in an F40.

Yeah, and I would show up to that same event

in your E395 and I would lick the steering wheel

when I get there.

I would lick it.

All of it.

I mean, you could sacrifice the M5.

The whole thing I would lick.

Five years of an F40 for $40,000 of a car.

Easy choice.

But remember, once it's licked, it can never be unlicked.

That's why...

Actually, I probably should lock my car here.

You're looking at it.

I don't...

I think I...

I don't know.

Because you guys...

What was the other one he did?

He shot himself on the foot.

The 993 Turbo S for his car.

Oh, yeah.

He went back and forth for his car at the end.

There should be zero thought required for this.

There's one correct answer.

It's an F40 for weekends.

So some people are going to lick the car.

You get an F40 for five years.

I think I probably would do that.

I think I probably would drive the F40.

I would let someone crush my house for this.

I also worry that the F40 would be...

I would just be so afraid.

I've thought about, like, I've never driven an F40.

Well, yeah, you'd be afraid, but it's paid for.

All expense is paid.

If you crash it, it's paid, apparently,

according to this fella.

Okay, next question.

Next question from Coleetc17.

Doug Kenner and Filippo.

Many auctions are not closing with a sale,

implying that sellers are unrealistic

with current market values.

Does this imply the market is getting cooler?

No. The sale rate is the same.

There was a couple of days that were a little lower,

but there has also been a couple of days

that were a little higher,

including today as the day we record this,

which is Wednesday.

Sold, sold, sold, sold.

Yeah. No, the sale rate's been the same.

I don't think the market is cooling.

I don't think the sellers are unrealistic

with current market values generally,

any more than they usually are.

Some higher dollar cars have missed recently,

so that may be where this is coming from.

Like, oh, the person saw this,

but we also sold a bunch of higher dollar cars today.

Anyway, point is, I think that is an unrealistic look

at the carsandbids.com website.

What did we sell today?

Anything cool?

I agree, unless your name is Tyler Hoovey,

then yes, your selling price is unrealistic.

Drop that SLR to 113.

Last question from Filippo's sign to get an R8.

Sadly, Filippo not here to get that sign,

and I guarantee he won't watch this.

In the recent years, we have seen,

because it's about car enthusiast cars,

he's not going to...

In recent years, we have seen Ferrari

moving more down market with the Roma

and vehicles like that, and Lamborghini with the Urus.

Do you believe that in the next decades,

we will see companies like Bugatti, Conoxic,

and Pagani go in the same direction?

Yeah, I think that it's inevitable

that eventually these companies at the very highest levels

will try to make cars that are at slightly lower levels

to get more people.

And that's just kind of the way these companies work.

They want to grow, they want to expand,

they want to make more money, economies of scale,

they will eventually do that.

I'm not saying you're going to see a $200,000 Conoxic,

but I wouldn't be entirely stunned

if you saw a million-dollar Conoxic

or a $900,000 Conoxic.

That was a lot more gettable for a lot of people.

Bugatti maybe won't,

because they already have Lamborghini

and occupying that space, whatever.

But I think Conoxic and Pagani

will eventually end up in there.

Every manufacturer does this.

I don't forget there's a time when Ferrari

only made V12 cars, and then they came out with the Dino,

and then there was, and then they came up with the 308,

and then they started that V8 line, and yes.

And even like the Gordon Murray Academy,

they have the T-50 and then the T-33,

a little spoiler-less.

There are still guys on Ferrari Chat,

the real old-timers on Ferrari Chat,

who think like if a Ferrari doesn't have

a 12-cylinder engine, it doesn't count.

Like it's not a Ferrari.

Right, which of course is ludicrous,

but they've won championships with much smaller engines

that aren't 12 cylinders.

In the minds of some of the old-timers,

it's 12 cylinders or a walk.

Baby, am I right?

We're a couple of V12 guys.

Yeah, Gated V12, that's how it was.

That's how Enzo liked it when he was running away from elevators.

But that would preclude the F40, which is kind of a problem.

And the 288.

F40 is definitely a real Ferrari.

The F40, not a real Ferrari.

Not a real Ferrari, according to the old-timers.

Right, they're very with it.

I'm glad they're in charge of it.

They only know that the short knows two cams.

Of course.

Okay, that's it.

Do you guys agree with that take?

Do you think there'll be a cheap Pagani one day?

A cheap it as an 800?

I think there'll be less.

There'll be more approachable models.

Yes, I think that's true.

Eventually, what's going to happen to these companies,

which is what happened to Ferrari and Lamborghini,

the guy will die.

The company will end up in the hands of some other company.

Right, the private equity and the...

Or Audi, in the case of Lamborghini,

or Fiat, in the case of Ferrari,

who is going to want to maximize the value of the brand.

And so they will start taking this vaunted brand

and trying to make it a little bit more accessible

so they can make more money.

It's just the way it works with this stuff.

It happened with Porsche.

It happened with Maserati, et cetera.

I think what'll happen,

Ford will resurrect the Premier Auto Group,

buy all them up and use them as halo cars to sell more tourists.

Oh, the Premier Auto Group.

Can always count on Nick to have a good call back.

He's calling it back because he's got the X-Type on his mind.

He's thinking about his X-Type now.

It was cool.

I think it got unfairly criticized as the Mondeo.

He's going to start low balling people on Facebook.

Those are available.

Okay, that was our podcast for the week.

It was our finest podcast ever.

Nick, do you have any parting thoughts?

Congrats on buying a car,

and we're happy that you're back on cars.

Nobody bought any cars.

However, if you got an arena 993,

I don't know how people can get in contact with me anymore.

Sean will call me and be like,

Hey, someone just sent us a note.

And it's like, where?

How?

He's like, do you want to do this or that or this happened?

Or they sent us a...

If you find out how to hit in contact with me

and you have a 993 Turbo, that's arena red.

Geez.

God, you damaged the box.

You were just...

Oh, no.

It's not a good omen.

All right.

Goodbye, everyone.

Thank you for watching our finest podcast ever.

Goodbye.

Bye.

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