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What's going on, guys? Nothing much? What about you? Man?

It has been an interesting week. I have been busy, busy, busy

this week. To be honest with you, guys, I got a lot

of time in and out of garages this week talking with a lot of friends, a lot of inside, a lot of topics, a lot of conversations, and a lot of things that's going on out there. So here's the

thing. If you know, a tractor could fit through double doors. We

have been busy, like I said, in a lot of garags, I've been talking with a lot of friends. A lot of things have been going

on in the car inner street. As you guys know, if you've been

watching the news, it looks like the automotive industry is gonna be strike, strike, strike, falling, falling apart for a while. You know.

I told you, guys, I think we talked about a couple of weeks ago, and you know, and I think I said, care for what you wish for, and here we are. So the breakdown on this is

a little interesting though. So if you guys hadn't seen, I guess basically

what the union is looking for is about forty percent over the course of I think it's five years, which it's forty percent increase, which seems like a lot of money. Some of the things that are a lot are a little

bigger, bigger hurdle for people to get over a little bit is the less working hours and some of the other stuff that's being asked for and stuff like that. The money seems like a lot and it is forty percent a lot

of money. I mean, it really is. But it's forty percent over

the course of five years. So if we go back and let me let

me tell you kind of how this works out a little bit to break it down. Okay, So let's just say that you haven't had a pay raise

since two thy nineteen, which is the claim for a lot of these people.

Okay, I haven't had a pay rais since twenty nineteen, okay, and they're getting ready to get well. Auto motive plant workers do make a

good amount of money, Okay. It's not like it's not like flipping burgers,

okay, which you know is hey, hey, hey, that's starting to get a lot of money. Now, well, you see California's trying

to pay him twenty dollars an hour. I don't know. I think it's

about time to go flip someonals. That's that's in the talks right the second

in California, And you know that's if that happens, they'll start spreading across the other stays. Twenty dollars an hour to flip Burgers. Sigh. Oh,

I just gotta wrap my head around that just a little bit for a second, because that's signed me up. Sign way. People said that.

I've had this conversation this week. People are like, sign me up.

I'm a flip Burgers for twenty dollars an hour, twenty no responsibility, just bute home. You made the business, though you know they can't. Look

I'm can't run the business. But I'm not saying that flipping burgers isn't hard.

What I'm trying to say is at twenty I wish that back I could have made twenty dollars an hour. I could have went in and my responsibility

was to go in, flip the burgers, go home, and I didn't, you know, I just I clocked in, I clocked out. I

got to go home. I got to make twenty dollars and I had no

other responsibilities for twenty dollars an hour, but I had to put cheese.

I'm not I'm not downplaying it. I'm just saying twenty dollars an hour is

quite a bit of money with like, I remember how hard I had to work when I finally got to twenty dollars an hour, And let me just say that my lists of responsibilities were quite a bit of a responsibility for twenty dollars an hour, and when I finally got to that mark, I can't remember. I can remember how happy I was, but I can't remember the

list of responsibilities I had because I had so many of them. So I

understand the union wanting the forty percent over five years, And like I said, let me break it down for you a little bit, so you kind of understand. If you hadn't truly had a pay rate since twenty nineteen,

and you take that as five percent from twenty nineteen till now and then another five years from now, it's not very much money. When you think about

that, you understand what I'm saying. So you get five percent for twenty

nineteen to current year and then another five years out. That would have just

been a five basically, a five percent increase of cost of living for every year, which is kind of for a company that's a halfway decent company is a pretty standard pay raise every year of cost of living, so they're not really asking for much. When you break it out that way, you go

okay. Because a lot of a lot of companies I dealt with over the

years and ran we gave five percent typical typical pay raise every year for the standard work or was five percent increase, So like I said, twenty three, Okay, you have that. So you give five percent and then you

got another five years from there five percent. You're right there within that threshold

of given a five percent increase every single year. So basically just asking for

what you didn't give me and five percent guaranteed five percent increase over the standard next five years. That's really all they're asking for. That's really what it

breaks out to be. So it really isn't that much. It's it's just

basically giving the standard pay increase. Guys. It's like I said, some

of the other things they're asking for, maybe they'll reduce I'm asking for money and reduce work hours. Okay, that's where maybe the waters get a little

bit of money. So we'll see how that works out. Here's the thing.

The reality of it is an hour. I mean, like I said,

no, because because because car manufacturer workers make more than thirty dollars now, so yes, yes, So I had a friend that used to get paid a lot of money for painting door jams, just in a cart at the plant. A lot of money. So we were talking about to tell

me about it all the time, like rubbed in my face. But I'm

just just say there's a little salt still there. Slay me to my toes,

my fingers a little bit. There's still little salt. But you couldn't,

I said, why we were trying to make our way up. He

used to always remind us how much money he made it while we were still trying to make our so setting a chair experience. But like I said,

I mean it will work it stuff out. But there's still a lot of

cars they're still laying around that haven't been bought yet. So I mean,

maybe we don't make cars for a little while and we burn up some of the cars are laying around. No, we want say maybe some of those

electric cars nobody's buying, maybe they'll they'll get bought because we won't have any other choices we were there's a lot of chips in there, you know you could take. I think they'll eventually get parted out. I think as technology

starts to advance, we'll probably scrap a lot of electric cars. It's almost

like kind of like what we're doing, like the iPhones now and so like now we're kind of pushing more eco friendly everything, and so so we're you know, starting to take all like the old stuff because you know, the iPhones really haven't changed. What like twelve is the same thing as like a

fifteen. Yeah, well, I mean you got, yeah, small technology

advancements, but you know, the base of it is probably the same, just like cars on the base of it is simply the same. So you

know, they're probably just gonna start scrapping some the technology point I okay, that would make sense, and maybe that's what we do for a while.

But maybe we just don't make any cars for a while. We just start

taking some of the ones that are laying around a part and no, because then you'll have those people that want everything new lose their mind. I want

to hear about you. You miss throw a new cell phone every year for

the longest time. Yeah, I got the twelve, pro say for the

longest time. You were the guy that'll be talking about that. I did

just go inquire about the fifteen. But you know, that's a different story

for a different day. Let me ask you a question, right, you

know, concerning cars wise, do you guys think that the years coming up, that it's gonna be more focused on eco friendly than it is, like, you know, upgrading what we already have or improving on I think it's gonna be hard for us. I think, first of all, I think

we've learned the lesson within the last two years that people just aren't going to jump on the electric bandwagon. Just well, I'm not just talking about electric

because I'm just that I'm gonna answer this two part. I think we've learned

that people aren't gonna jump on with that badwagon. So I think that if

you start doing eco friendly cars, it's gonna be hard for people to jump now on that badwagon too, you know. I mean, just start putting

things out there. Just because you say it's a grape and it tastes good,

doesn't mean that everybody's gonna want to grape because it tastes good. I'm

just saying, like, we just keep on throwing things out. I think

we throw a lot of crap at the wall and see what sticks. I

think we just do that and sometimes it works, and a lot of times it just slides down the wall. I just think that's what happens to us

in general. And I think we just keep doing this over and over and

over again, and I think a lot of things goes to waste. I

mean, it's just can we get there? Sure, I think we can

get there. But I think what happens is we tend to force the issue,

and I think people tend to back away. The more more forceful we

are with things, the more people tend to back away from things. And

I don't know if that's because we tell them they have to have it versus let them want it. And the more I think the government gets involved goes

where you're going to do this, the more people are resistant. That's just

that's just resistance altogether. You don't do something you're amalily gonna do it.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. That's why you always got to like,

you know, persuade people. You gotta kind of like make it think

that it's their own idea. Right, Well, let's just let them want

it on their own. Stop trying to tell them you're gonna do this,

because I mean it's like tell them a girl or you know that, you know the whole thing. You're not gonna beat that boy, And you know,

right, I was always that guy. He's not good for you.

So I think that's what I think. Remember who was watching. I mean

I think I think that's what we fall into, to be honest with I just think that's that's what it is. You know, think about it if

you guys really kind of go back and look at some of the stuff that we try, Like you know that we were gonna do fuel cell technology, and then then you know, before electrical and then you know, hydrogen was gonna be the next real big thing. But now we were going to do

generative breaks with all the different things that there's been so many different ideas over the years and things this is gonna be the next big thing, and then it's just over here still trying to figure out how the harvest power. I

mean, things just died off. I mean, you can do it.

I really, I truly believe we're going to figure that out. I'm not

I'm gonna be someone takes a part of it. It's like we're going to

create a car off and I promise. I just think it's a crazy idea

of just you know, taking power from you know, anywhere and using it as you please. I think about this a lightning bolt. He wants to

take a lightning vote for anyway, I didn't know what camera was talking about.

I talk about quite a bit. It's not about taking in lightning bolts

and converting them to energy or somehow turning leaves from plants to like filter out carbon dioxide. It's crazy, I know. But I can say we've we've

spent quite a bit of time talking about photo cell technology and they're not into it. But you know, no, no, I'm not saying I'm not

into it. I'm just gonna say that there's some hours of my life I

can't get back to having these conversations. And I think it's hold. I

think it's interesting consteps of how his mind works, of how we could take it. And look, everything starts with an idea, right, I mean,

I'm not gonna say it doesn't. I listened to it, and I

believe. I believe you could take if you could find a way to harness

the energy of lightning and take it and then find a way to bottle that and then use that into your car, there's Hey, that's the great idea, and you just tell me how we can do that and make that work.

I just can't imagine everybody running around with like holding umbrellas, you know, and grabbing the energy and shoot it into their car, because that's the only way I think. I think about that, And then I think about

a Doloian running around with it over here, like calling him Doc. I'm

like you guys like Doty here man, I just can't stock Brown, by the way, but not Doc Martin makes a shoe, No, I said Marty, I said Doc, and Marty Man. But I think I just

think about these hooks hanging off everybody's car, waiting for like lightning to strike them so they can keep on driving. I don't I don't know. I'm

just saybody, you gotta go one hundred and ten miles out? How many

times you watched the movie? You think it's a hundred, right, dude,

I've watched it so many times too. It's not even so here's you

don't here you don't hear something funny too? Right? So I've been seen

his all over the internet for some reason and stuff. But people are asking

like people, right, it's not like guys basically and stuff, how often do you think about the Roman Empire? But like every everyone, why are

you the second person that's asked me that this week? It's a trend going

on about he were asking, You're asking, They're like, Okay, they're guys. You know, it's not about how often they think about the Roman

on an empire. Okay, so here's the reason. And he were like,

I think but all the time. And I'm like, I think about

it. Have you ever noticed that every single movie that tries to like do

something that has to do with like futuristic or something like that, the clothing always like falls back to some type of like Roman dress or something like that.

Even though it's supposed to be a futuristic movie, they're always dressed like something that's like romani ishig, you know what I mean. Yeah, and

stuff like that. I'm like, army for to be like like fifty years

in the future, why are they dressed like that? It's just weird.

But it's supposed to be the future. So that's how the conversation came up.

I'm over here. When you say the future, you're saying, like,

how often do you think about it? When I don't think about it

often, but it has come up a couple of times, just like hmm.

Like one person's response was like, well, the Greatest Empire, Ever, how could you not think about him? Like to me, that's kind

of funny things To me, it was funny every time you say future and you're like, they're wearing like the old times stuff. I think like he's

talking about when we're forty or fifty, people are going to be marching in with like the chains and stuff hanging out here here comes the King. I

don't know, I just I find it very weird that people's idea of what the future is is very skewed. One thing in the future is is I

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one thousand and three. Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio, your automotive

specialist. Now back to your host, Dave Palach. Hey, guys,

welcome back. So here is a topic that's been scrolling around forever and again

this week. But it's funny because there's been a poll done this week.

I think they tried to do a poll a couple months ago. I think

we briefly talked about it a little bit on doing a poll into it.

Well, it turns into your favor were here, Hey, Yeah, I think that's what it is. They'renna keep on doing the poll to weighs out

in their favor. But here's the interesting Let's do a poll on the poll.

Let's do a poll on the poll of the poll, but don't get on the pole. There's a difference to that. But all right, so

here it is subscription services. So we've been telling you guys that. Okay,

So they're not going to get away from it. Auto car manufacturers are

really really heavy on this. They have not swayed from their idea. They're

just going to let's build a car, let's give it everything we can think of throwing at it, and we'll just like I said, we'll charge to turn on the services as time goes on. If you want heat at steering

wheel, it'll have it automatically. But the only way that you can use

it is if you pay us a monthly fee to before it to turn on.

If you want to heat it seats, it's part of the monthly service.

You gotta pay to turn it on. So with that being the thought,

they decide, let's do a pole and find out what people are really willing to pay for what, and you can keep doing polls to find out where people's money lies, like what would separate from them from their money.

The funny thing about it is is it was pretty negative this time around too, and the answer is really nothing. People are just like I would I

wouldn't. I wouldn't pay for that, all right, I mean I'm just

not. I mean, well, especially you're not gonna pay if my car

comes with the heat at steering wheel and it comes with the heat at seats, or it comes like I shouldn't have to pay extra to use them.

I mean, that's the same. You're gonna keep getting the same answer.

And I said before that people are under the impression because of the fact that we're so used to paying for subscription services for everything else, rather be movie services or music services or whatever service it is that car manufacturers are trying to find a way to jump into that ring to get that monthly payment from us for us to pay for those services. And I think it's just a really

bad idea, the wrong way to go. But they are just stuck on

the idea of making this come to life. But as you keep on asking,

it doesn't matter, and they're going they're really stretching out. I think

that's when I saw it was an independent study through I think one of the different car manufacturers, car magazines and stuff like that. But like it was

like BMW and they asked Lexis people all different. I mean, it didn't

matter even if you had money to throw out the door. People were still

an answer was like nothing. Do you know. The only thing that people

really were willing to pay for it, which I would be too blinds to me, was Wi Fi and any mapping services or anything like that that they knew we're going to be updated regularly. Not okay, I got GPS,

and it's just this what about It's I didn't see that on the list.

It was never understood, by the way, because you brought this topic.

Gun never understood how we have Huber, we have Uber Eats, all these other services that these stores are able to update their information on They're able to close their store if they bring out of stuff, right, why aren't they giving stores the ability to immediately send live updates to the map? Don't you

know why haven't live That's a really good question. I understand that. But

live updates is is network based. You know the maps is network based.

If you've ever gone and tried to use an Apple Map, by the way without any sailor service, I'm I'm here to say it can't be done.

You literally can't go on your map. If you have no cellular service,

you can't go on your maps. It will not load the maps. But

that is changing. But why can't we like like like us. When we

were in New York, we saw a whole and I don't even think we talked about it on the show. We saw a whole different experience to what

we're used to maps. And I even know that was a thing until we

went to New York. It was pretty experience. And if you guys don't

know what we're talking about, when we went to New York, when we entered into the city, our maps went from two D or even how you can do three D and see just the designs of the building it actually created the buildings, like as if you're it's a three D model, So what what if you were walking down there, you know, and it was able to give you like you're able to click on a store and it has live updates of que lines, you know, weight lines or you know how stuff.

So we talked about this, and this is some of that new car technology they were talking about where the in the future, the stores you're supposed to be able to talk to you in your car and tell you what.

So it's kind of like, yeah, slowly because you tell you restaurant weight lines, well, like what the weight time is for reservations. All that

stuff that was some of the new technology is supposed to be coming wrap background.

If it was like that, you know, and it was giving me live updates, sure I'll pay the four ninety nine a month for live updates, you know, because it would just be so much convenient if I was able to click a button and go, Okay, the drive through lines twenty minutes at this place, but the drive through lines five minutes at this place, right, you know, and stuff like that. So you fall into

the masses of people who would answer that question and the question that. The

answer they gave was if it was maps and updates of that nature, that they would they would belong to a service that would constant The map was constantly updated and it gave little things like that, and it was Wi Fi service and it constantly had updates anything like that. One of the other thing was

is anything that was safety related. If it was anything that was a safety

related update or anything like that. Another thing you paid for it hot spot.

We've been doing hot spot in the cars, right Wi Fi. We've

been doing the hot spot Wi Fi whatever you guys want to call it in the cars for years. I can remember when I was a kid and we

were just starting to get to it. It was much bulkier, but you

know, it was stu able to be in the truck behind the Yeah, but I've seen the modules, so I know, like how big it is now they make it smaller. My biggest issue with the hot spot you have

to pay for a full service to be able to get that hot spot.

You can't just say, remember, I want a separate telephone yep, and has a separate telephone number. Truck has a telephone number, where do you

guys? Instead of paying the fifteen to twenty to I think what it was.

No, it was probably more like thirty dollars a month or something for that hot spot. Would you guys be down for let's say you needed an

emergency use and we'll take Dawn and Insnce because she works on the road sometimes.

If she didn't have her hot spot but was able to load up on the radio and go, crap, I have a meeting. I need this

hot spot now, and was able to click a button and it charged you a one time fee for one day, just like some of the hotels does.

I don't think I like that though, for one time fee. If

it was two dollars, If it was two dollars and said for two dollars you can get internet service for today, or even gave you a point, maybe okay, maybe okay. If it was affordable, maybe I have a

different. If it was affordable, you I feel like and we even do

it, we ask a whole group do it. We are now we rather

go grab our separate hot spot and load that up in the vehicle rather than using the one that's actually built in the car, because we're not going to pay for a whole different. So I disagree, right because you kind of

fall in with a lot of other people. We've had Wi Fi capability for

so long that it should just become a mandatory thing. So like like how

kind of like your phones are doing now right, and we've gotten, you know, into the track of it where a lot of times the hotspots for your phones are free. It's a part of the car. It's part of

paying for that. It's a part of part right, it's part of the

contract. I mean you're paying but already the vehicle is just a normal thing

without a fee. If you don't want to add into the vehicle, right,

you should allow the accessibility to I should be able to use my phones Wi Fi and stuff too. Yeah, as part of the vehicle, if

you know, if you want to charge for it or you know, like you know, if you want that you know, accessibility and something. Yeah,

maybe people should pay for get a little different. That's been one of

the questions that's actually popped up is when does the price of the car include some of those things where it's just they just have to eat it and it just becomes part of the car. When when is that going to start help?

We talked about can you pay for the subscription in advance. Let's say

the cars twenty four. If I go pay two thousand more and make it

twenty six, will you give me that subscription for the full time? Just

like though I understand non subscription, they're going to call it a subscription, you know, and the tie. But basically, like how we buy the

package is now for a vehicle, can I go buy the package for that vehicle and not have to pay the subscription charge, be able to use up?

But you're still you're still You're just you're just kind of stretching it out.

You're never going You're never going to offer me the package anymore. You're

just gonna offer that one car and I have to pay the subscription feed no matter what if I want that feature. Yeah, that's what they're doing.

Yeah, they're getting a rid of the year to two years. They're going

to they want to get to a monthly revenue. It's all about cash flow.

The problem with it is is people are keeping their cars longer and they're trying to find a way to keep that. Fawcett turned on where money is

going to keep on coming in the door, and the way to do that is go to subscription fees. But there's a lot of things in place.

So you know, Nathaniel and I were talking off the air before the show started, and there's so many people in play, have so many different ideas of how to different ways to make this work. And obviously there's money involved

in every ad, but everybody's kind of getting involved just a little bit.

You know, my Chevy has what Gen three wifis slash their communications system that's in the truck. I think I used it for the first what year two,

and then I just stopped using it because it was it was just another subscription fee with another telephone number. Now the telephone number still connected to the

truck because it was a one time buy. I had to buy the telephone

number outright for that truck. I first had it, so they signed a

telephone number, you paid a certain amount of much money, and then the truck has so many minutes worth of data time for that truck. I've never

used it. It makes sense for that, but it has that number.

It makes sense for that year. But now that you know, like I

said, the phones are getting into capability, you should be able to use your phone hot spot that you already pay for the plan to you know, for your car. Okay, I get it. I gotta I got a

plan for it. I'll sell your clicks. Okay, I'll sell you clicks.

You can only for fifteen bucks one time purchase. Once again, I

understand money involved. Okay, point it doesn't matter how me camera doesn't matter,

how you break it down with your purchase of your vehicle. You get

to click here he did seats seats, and he clicks for five thousand clicks.

Once you run out of clicks, now I get to charge you.

Like it's just a terrible promotion. I know it. I think the end

result is is like I said, they keep polling, and the polling keeps on coming back. Everybody who's doing a polling it comes back. People are

not excited by the fact that they can have to pay a monthly fee every month to use features of the cars are going head where you're gonna. It's

almost like unlock the next level. It's like playing Zelda or something. It's

nice. It's nice for the setting. If we pay for it, we

should play it. You know, I get it. It's nice for the

sessibility. Right, But as technology advances, we could just buy a third

party technology and so you can make hey to season your old car Nat good.

And if you don't want to do that, there is another solution.

But to find out what that is, you guys are gonna have to hold tight. I had to go to commercial break. When I come back,

I'll tell you what Maybe the answer is, maybe it's not. I don't

know. You tell me hold tight. I'll be right back. You're listening

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specialist. Now back to your host Dave Palach. Hey, guys, welcome

back. So if you were listening to the last segment we were talking about

all the different things that they're aren't a change with the subscriptions and car services.

But there may be an answer for that. Like I said, it

may not be your answer, but it happens to be. That's also the

title of the show too. So if you're wondering what the title of the

show had to deal with everything. You all know that you can come up

with all the technology in the world, right, I mean, it don't matter what you come up with. Somebody's always going to find the magic answer

to something that doesn't It doesn't matter when. Wow. Okay, So you

guys remember the nice little boxes that they came up with for our TVs.

I think probably everybody had them. What was the name of the box,

Kale box. No, no, no, no, well, yeah,

we are. We could start with the cable box. When they had the

cable box and they had all the channels and they're all blacked out and you couldn't watch them. A somebody found a fix for that, huh, firestick

and then Firestick came out after you know, a long time after that.

But then we had a firestick which he scrambled the way for you to be able to watch movies and all that kind of stuff. Well, the same

thing it's gonna up happening with your car and your subscription services. One of

the biggest on the rise things that's going on if you kind of pay attention to the Internet, the hackers are getting hugely involved with these subscription services.

They're finding ways to already start hacking all the business subscription services. So when

they lock you out of oh you can't have access to your heated seats, or you can't have access to this, now you can, Well, now you can for this little bitty boxes you can plug in and all of a sudden, boom, we'll give you access to everything. They're already starting to

work on this stuff, guys, because they see within the next five years all these subscription services are going to come out, and these hackers are going to find ways to come with the little ingenus things that they can sell you in, ways that they can get you so you can get around him, so you have access because you're driving the car that already has everything in it.

The car it's been built, it's gonna be built with every all this stuff in it. All you gotta do is know how to have a way

to discramble to be able to get used to it. So just a little

box, plug it in. Everything works. If history showed us anything,

we've done it with the phones, you know, when people were just hacking the phones and stuff, so you can get free, you know, absolute minutes and then you know, like he went to the movies. There's one

simple fix for that, though. Sure the manufacturers side just put in simple

refreshes anytime it realizes that there's one one component that is messing up. Put

the card and lip mode. Okay, well here's the thing you could You

could do that, but you see manufacturers doing that. But you just got

a kind of thing, right, So, like you know, I don't know if you've seen the movie, but like the Spotify movie, so you know, there were bootlegging songs for a long time and it was killing the industry. So how they come up with it? And they came out with

something better and they just charge a subscription for it, right. Well,

I so I thought about what Cameron's talking about, is they just they just send a scramble code that instantly click storm and stuff like that. And then

I started thinking about there used to be the box that ran instant codes as well, that you could constantly have a scramble it would find the codes to open up garage doors. Right, so you could just put something into every

time they're scrambling a code to switch it, you have something that's on the backside that's running a code that constantly finds the new code, you know what I mean. So it's like it's tip for tet. I'm sure the technology

they're just gonna find ways pass it. I started thinking about all the different

ways they can do, and I was like, well, every time you find a way to keep me out, somebody finds a way to get back in. You know what I mean. It's just how technology works there there.

Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I'm saying basically, you know,

once you know how to do it, you can reverse it pretty quickly.

And that's and that's what I'm saying, like it's a reverse technology. As

soon as you know that how what they're doing, you're just find a way to combat and come over the top of that. And that's exactly what's going

to end up happening. To tell you how crazy this is U some of

the stuff that I was reading, they truly believe they will be a little boom and this will be like a hacker boom where there'll be an actual career that people will actually have. I'm building things that will find a way to

get around the subscription services, and it'll actually become like age job networking of building things to find a way to get around because that's how much people hate the idea of subscription services for automobiles. And I mean, if that right

there doesn't tell you that you've got to create like a whole little industry to be able to make things to get around them, but yet you're still gonna try to push them. That's idea tells you it's a horrible idea. And

all the polls are saying I never want to buy one. I don't want

to, you know, I prefer to buy a car that would never even have anything like that available. That should tell the auto industry it's a really

bad idea. Like well, like I said, look back at history.

You know, people have done it and people have overcame it, and so so obviously it's not gonna stay for long. You might make your money in

the short run, but in the long run, people are gonna trump it.

They are. I just I find it funny, Like like I said,

you know, the show and stuff like that. People contact me and

giving information, people email me stuff, text me and stuff. We have

conversations and they're like, are you watching this stuff? I'm like, yeah,

I'm watching it, and no, I can't believe we're even talking about it or we've gotten even this far. I would have thought that this would

have been squashed a long time. It was like a bad idea, and

then we goes, oh, that's about it, We're not gonna do that.

I oh, sure, you didn't even know we got and Zuzuski Suzuki.

He's like their course, really yeah, all their cars runing computers.

You're looking for somebody, you know, Well, here's one that nathania brock to me and he was so you know that if you guys didn't know, Nathaniels, tell me that Apple has the s OS program now running on fourteen and fifteen Apple very cool zones, which is really cool, and him it's a must need. So basically this year they came out with Triple A,

so they're adding Triple A service to them exactly. Now we're all card carriers,

so that you can call if you have a problem, if you don't have service, you're somewhere where you know service isn't available. Rights if you

can call Triple A and you can tell them that you have a flat tire, you can tell them there's a fire cars broken down and they'll help you out for a small charge. Or unless you're you know you're a member and

so, but in the fine print it says that it's a two year whatever.

You yeah with the phone, with the iPhone fourteen, the iPhone fifteen.

So it comes to question are they going to keep it for longer than two years or if people are gonna have to start paying for that subscription for them to use it and they don't have sell your service. So Apple's basically

got to make the decision after that two years they start, do they do they take that cost, they eat the cost, or do they make you pay for it? Makes sense? Why do you want to remind you guys

that individuals must be located they cannot come get your vehicle. Yeah, so

I used to deal with that all the time back when I was involved Triple A. Back people would get stuck off road and then call for a toe

and like you get there and they would be way off the road, and then I wonder why you couldn't come get them, And I'm like, because you're nowhere near a road surface. I'm like, well you got stuck.

What do you think it's gonna happen when we try to take this very heavy truck the ways three times with your car? Does where you got stuck and

try to put this heavy thing on that soft service. If you're a vehicle

sunk, what do you think's gonna happen to this big, huge truck.

I think I told you guys a story years ago. I got a call

this many many years ago, when I was in the towing business. We've

got a telephone call for a toe out of the ocean front. And driver

call back in said, I can't. I can't. I can't find it

everywhere where they tell me it is, and I can't find this vehicle, And I'm like, could you look at Everybody's like, they tell me that between I can't remember it was let's say between fourteenth and fifteenth Street, but I know it's not. It was for down, but those just say that's

the streets. He's like a snowhere. I don't see him. So I'm

like, okay, and the customer calls in their irate I've been I've been out here for over an hour and no one's coming. I'm like, the

truck's the truck's out there, he's looking, he's looking, he's out there.

I'm like, they're like, it's and they kept on saying it's between this street and this street, like, my truck's out there. Driver,

you need to come, you know, meet the driver. The driver's gonna

meet you here. You need to come meet the driver and show the driver

where it is. So between that, I get a telephone call from the

driver and he's like, you're not gonna You're not gonna believe what's going on out here. You need to come on out. So now I'm nowhere near

the ocean front. So I end up driving out there and I'm looking and

I don't I don't see the vehicle. And now I locate my tow truck.

The driver's not in it. So I end up walking down the sidewalk

out towards where the ocean front is. And when I get out there,

there's a crowd of people out there, and I'm like looking, and then it just dawns on me. They're on the beach. They're on the beach,

all right. But the vehicle was sunk all the way in the sand

up to the windows. You couldn't see the hood, you couldn't see anything.

All you could see was the windows. How you get in the frame

up? They left it there overnight, dingo. They drove out, got

stuck overnight, had some drinks, and the tide came in and sunk the vehicle in the ground all the way up and it was I mean, it looked like it looked perfect sand all the way across up until where the windows perfectly. I've heard stories about that too, where I don't know what beach

it is, but you know that beach you can drive your vehicle on.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've heard. Yeah, I've heard one

of the one of the friend groups have lost one of their jeeps out there overnight time. It doesn't dawn on people that the tide comes in and after

that the water coming and everything like that, and then everything sinks down and then the it's sand and all that kind of stuff. They never dawns.

They just think it's still going to be right there when they come back.

What happens to your feet when you just sit at the shore line stand there, It just sinks and sinks and sinks. Now imagine the vehicle doing this.

Well, here's the thing. So then then the owner of the vehicle

want to know what we were going to do to get it out. Well,

and I was like, I was like, and I told him, I was like, I'm gonna get it out, and we did. I

said, I'm just gonna let you know. It's not coming out in one

piece right pieces. No, it's gonna come out and pieces like things are

gonna come off. And it did it. It broke a lot of stuff.

We got it out, but it didn't come out like nice. It

just come out. Yeah, it came out for insurance to be able to

see like it had water all and it was done. I mean, you

weren't saving that vehicle, but just go just tell you you know, you never know with people, they do some crazy things. And you all think

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specialist. Now back to your host, Dave Palach, Hey, guys,

welcome back. So it's kind of funny, I tell you, guys.

I get a lot of different emails and messages sent all the time. So

here's something that got sent to me. And you know, I got to

thinking about it and I was like this, this makes sense for the most part. And cacubers, we all know it's a problem. They're getting stolen

off cars. It's been happening. Why haven't we created something else forever?

Like right, so, like you're just giving them every year something to steal for the technology that we have. Why have we not developed something other than

the cat company? Like I think I think the law might just allow you

to put a zapper on them. I mean every time, I kind of

went down the rabbit hole, right, So I was like, Okay, there's a lot of ways I think we could easily solve the cat converter problem.

Number one. That's number one, right, Okay, Yeah, so

we could solve the cat converter problem by stamping the vin into a cat converter, which we already do. Sometimes I'm some of them, some of them,

see I haven't come across any Yes, some of the stamped into so that would instantly or hop about it was just a q A QR on them, you know what I mean. So that's that's attached to the car,

so you instantly know exactly what car it comes off. If they had a

QR to it or something, why not steals it? You can go that

goes to this car that's with with the technology, why haven't we put a sensor on them to realize when they're being cut don't set off? The alarm

our technology has a vegans. If you can program the censor to note,

yes, that is being cut off and no, for a doubt there is a soul blade on it, call the police. I just call it police

just mass the police out. Well, do you know what I think that

first of all, and a lot of cities police would never get there.

I mean, look, I can't tell Look, I got y'all know, I'm friends with the boys in Blue. I got friends that are in the

police force. So don't get me wrong, but sometimes the workload is so

bad you can call for like a lot worse things than a cat converter being taken off a car, and there's still a little bit of a Look, my house got broken into the old house that we had and there was actively a man in the house, and I think the response time was like nine minutes. So there's actually back in twenty twenty two, and I don't know

the most recent update now have to look it up. But there was actually

a part act that they were trying to put into effect. It's called the

Preventing Auto Recycling Theft Act that they were trying to put through Congress that would require all manufacturers to stamp the the number and the catalytic converters. So so

hold that thought for a second and just go back. I just want to

know we've had cat verse for a long time. I can't believe that technology

hasn't changed the fact we've just done away with cat and murders and there's something else that can scrub the air to make it clean, where we don't have cac and murders that get made out of something that nobody wants. It has

no usefulness and it other than the fact it cleans the air, and you know it's got I don't know, paper towels in it or something, I don't know, something stupid in it. Nobody, nobody has any use for

that still does the job of a cat and verder. I mean, I

just there's there's brilliant minds everywhere in the world. I'm surprised that, you

know, a brilliant mind has not been set to tasks to do away with the cat and murder on a car. I just it seems strange to me.

And number two, why if we can't do away with the cat and murder, can it have not a sensor like you're talking about, Why can't have like a tracking sensor When it's separated with the car, it activates this and you know exactly where it's gone to to what thief has it and where it is you know what I mean, you start running the problem like, yeah, you could, you know, stamp them in on it, you could put a tracker on it, but one does not say you can't really tell what it is. Well, they're just taking the what's in it out

that they want and then that's so. But I'm just there's got to be

the most recent update, and I love the internet. The most recent update

on the Parts Act. It was entered into the House on January thirteenth of

twenty twenty two. They did have an update on January fourteen where they referred

it to the Subcommittee of the Consumer Protection and Commerce. But after nine months

later, nine months we didn't hear no update, no update about this because they don't care about us that they actually referred it to a different subcommittee nine months later they said, no, this committee they might only meet every six months. So there's some committees. Let's give the benefit of some committees only

meet every six months. They then moved it to crime, crime, terrorism,

terrorism, terrorism, and home secure. Where does this fall in terrorism

and home secure? It if you're taking the platinum and using that to melt

down and then using that money from that to buy other things for active terrorism, maybe that's how I'm getting the benefits. You've thought about this way too

long. I'm not just supposed to think about it. I just I just

find it hard to believe that we have not been able to create something other than the current cat converter to make clean air and made, like I said, made out of something that nobody wants. It's got something that nobody has

any desire to have, so there's no use to cut them off anymore.

I just think that's that could be done. You could be the guy I'm

gonna saying. I'm the guy. I'm just saying. I find it interesting.

Somebody sent me They're like, why haven't we Why haven't we started this process? Like somebody They're like, I can't believe this isn't being done.

I'm like, I can't. Now that you bring it up, I can't

believe it isn't being done either. So I don't know if you've got an

idea, sun it to me. I'm curious what your idea is, because

I got I was going down that rabbit hole after somebody introduced the idea and the y to me. So I was like, I don't know, that's

a good question. Why not? So here's another one for me? I

told you, guys, I spent some time at shops and hanging out with shops and stuff this week. Right here is the puzzling one that always has

mystified me for many many years. And maybe you guys have an answer for

it. Why do customers bring their car to a shop for? Obviously to

get the car fixed? Right right? No reason why you bring us an

auto? Sometimes not? Sometimes hold hold that thought. Sometimes hold the thought

and you look at the car, you tell them what's wrong with it, and then you can never get the customer back on the phone again. You're

given a price to fix it, and then you just you can never you can never get hold of them. Like I have the answer. I know

why, all right, I got more to it. But go ahead,

I'll let you jump in there. You want the line, because oh,

they just want somebody to tell them what's wrong with it so they can fix it themselves. They don't, They don't hold on, and then the car

sits in our They don't come get it. We just have the car and

just sits there and sits there and grows roots because they were done with it when the check engine light came on. They already made it in their mind.

Example hold on even with the check engine light on, it has value rather check engine light. If if the car came to me, the car

running or not running at some point, the car has some type of value.

But it just stays there. You can't get them back on the phone.

It's like they just disappeared. I don't moved what. I don't know.

They just disappeared because stop answering the phone. I've talked to you on

the phone. I've told you what it costs to fix it. You were

like, okay, I'll give you a call back, and then they just ghost you. Because never your people will. There's there's people out there like

that that will go spend three thousand dollars on a car and say there, we'll go spend five six seven thousand dollars on a car rather than rather than the twenty three twenty four thousand dollars that is for a new car. Right,

they'll go, as long as this car lasts me two years. This

car can crap itself, and as long as it lasted two years, I'll go buy a new car. A perfect example today, got a call they

literally said, tow trucks on the way. I'm trying to purchase a new

vehicle today, from friends who work at auto garages to friends who work at the dealerships. They got cars laying around that are not three thousand dollars cars,

not five thousand dollars cars. Not. They got cars laying around.

There are over ten thousand dollars cars that have come in four repairs. Oh

that person rich, No, they're not. There can't be that many rich

people that have just won't call back. Car's been sitting there six seven months.

I mean, is there that many people who have just that much disregard for money and value of things that just go. Have you ever thought that

they're not here anymore? They sit there for they're not. It can't be

that many people that are just gone disappearing and they just sit there. Maybe

they think they're going to charge for parking. I think I think that it's

the repair is more than they decide they want to spend, and it's out of sight, out of mind. It's not in my driveway, it's not

my problem, and they just move on in life. But easier to get

something new and I have to worry about the problem. Maybe, but the

car's still in your name, you're still you're still well the registration will die out. But then at some point in time the city start getting involve because

there's taxes you're still paying on that car, property tax, you know.

But the car, like I said, the car holds value. If you

wouldn't got a new car, you at least would have traded it in and did something, they would have gave you something for it. If not for

not running car, they will. They'll buy it from not running. They'll

give you value buy your car is not running. I don't know if car

Max does. I can't speak, but other dealers shows will buy it from

you're not running because they already know what's wrong with it. They're like,

then they can figure out exactly how they got to put in. Come on

now, it's a question they ask you, is this car running? Like

I said, I just I just wonder that with that happening, what ends up happening. I just I don't know. It's hard to say. But

if you guys got the answer, it just mystifies me. Because I talked

to so many garages. They're like, man, I got like ten cars

out here that I can't get anybody call me back on. I mean,

this one over here has been here for six months. This one's here,

been here for eight months. I'd had that one for like nine months,

and I'm looking on them and they're nice cars. So if you got the

answer, let me know. I don't have the answer. I have no

guys. That's the end of the show. It has gone by very,

very quickly. I don't know how this happens every single week, and jury,

guys is Saturday. Sunday is right around the corner. Make sure you

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